Fantastic. My Dad was with the 77th at Ormoc so I heard a lot of the land campaign. Did not realize the Naval contribution besides amphibs. Another great battle for our Navy. Go Navy!
The PBY was considered obsolete by Pearl Harbor yet went on to make a huge contribution to the war effort, both in the Pacific and Atlantic. That they were able to take off so over gross weight is a testimony to Consolidated and to the crews. I never knew of this action...and will never forget it.
One of my "fuck you money" goals. I want to put turboprops or even fans on her if the frame can handle it. I know someone did one with turboprops successfully.
the Mariner Seaplane meant to replace the PBY, as good as it was, still kept getting shown up by the PBY. Don't get me wrong, the Mariner was a good airframe and did everything it set out to do, people were just so use to the PBY and what it could do. (similar thought process along with cost, behind why we still use F-15s and A-10s despite some wanting the F-35 to become our new all-purpose airframe, replacing even the F-22)
Considered obsolete by whom? It had only recently been rolled out. Nothing was able to replace it so how is something obsolete before anything was ready to replace it.
My dad was on the USS Moale . He was 18 years old during the battle . He never discussed one word of this great battle and I only discovered his history after he passed away. I have a minute by minute typed account of the battle as raged!
My dad was on the destroyer Albert W. Grant at Surigao Straits. They made a torpedo run on the Japanese fleet and were stenciled up by crossfire from both sides coming back out. He said only thing that saved them from being blown up was the their armor was so light the heavy rounds from the cruisers punched straight through the ship without detonating. They had to fight to save it from sinking, and were dead in the water for a few days until a scout plane spotted them and a couple of other destroyers came out to tow them in.
@@hjhkgjfawdferyyurv1222 the point is that the seaplane was loaded way beyond capacity, and the increased load and hydrodynamic drag make taking off a real challenge. It also puts great stress on the airframe and hull. I thought that was obvious.
A presentation of a sea battle would be much more enjoyable and understandable if a map of the battle were shown, and if the map showed where the ships travelled in the fighting.
you’re better off looking at channels like drachinfiel, kings and generals, the operations room, real time history, battle guide, and even the history channel yt account- specifically the show “biggest battles of ww2” if you want “play by plays” of battle. this channel doesn’t go into much depth and often contains incorrect info.
True. Now the americans kill hundred of thousand people and invade countries without a reason; Vietnam, Irak, etc etc etc. It is not more courage it is warmongering and Imperialistic based into fallacies of freedom.
Thank you, these video's are very well done. My Dad told me bits a pieces of the Battles and he and so many experienced. Such was a simple/humble Man, it's difficult to imagine him there.
The DD 692 Allen M. Sumner class Destroyer had the best warship design ever in period terms of pound for pound warfighting ability. At 2200 tons standard displacement, 35kts top speed, these ships were a logical evolution of the previous mass produced Fletcher class (2100 tons displacement). As such, Sumners had the perfect balance of speed, maneuverability. They carried 5x 5"/38cal Rifles, 12-16x 40mm M1/M2 Autocannon, and 5 or 10x 21" Torpedo Tubes, plus four Y Racks, 2x DC rails, for up to 50 depth charges. At close range, all Sumner class deck crews were Expert at throwing number 10 cans of C ration Ham and Lima Beans at enemy vessels. Sumner had great sensors, formidable ASW capability, formidable Air Defense capability, formidable surface engagement capability. And the best sailors. USN forever!
20 Dec 1944, the British Pacific Fleet launched an air attack on the Sumatran refineries, that were a major source of oil for the Japanese military. In other words, the Japanese were worn down, bit by bit, in each allied operation.
👏🛩💥 The resilience and valor of the crews operating the PBY aircraft during the unexpected naval battle is awe-inspiring. Despite being considered obsolete, they made a significant impact on the war effort in both the Pacific and Atlantic theaters. The fact that they were able to take off over gross weight is a testament to the ingenuity of Consolidated and the incredible skills of the crews. This lesser-known action deserves recognition and appreciation. It's truly fascinating to uncover these hidden stories of courage and sacrifice. 🙌🌊🔥
My mother's cousin last assignment was at Leyte. He wrote that he couldn't wait to get back. During mopping up operations he was killed by a sniper. He has a ballpark named in his honor in Mass.
I think General MacArthur has been given far to much credit for the defeat of Japan. It has always seemed to me that Admiral Nimitz had a much more difficult assignment in the swath of battles that fell on his shoulders.
Dark Seas ROCKS!!!!!!! may i recommend to anyone who is ever near Hawthore Nevada, to stop in at the Hawthorne Ordnance Museum. one of the best small museums out there.
Al Bullock. He's the photographer who took the photo of the thumbnail of the USS Franklin. R.I.P. Al. I miss our morning talk. Every time I see a Nikon camera, I think of you.
Never heard of this battle before but something is strange. Why would the Americans attack such important target with only 3 destroyers? At that time they had hundreds of planes in the Filipinas!
I love it Its part Philippines 🇵🇭 History the mist awesome Naval Battles are here. And those who are ones iur enemies are now friends ti deal with the China Threat
Question: You state that the enemy planes continued to attack right up until the attack began at 12:00 AM? I was unaware that the Zero, or any other WWII planes (except for night fighters) could fly at night! Was the enemy air action earlier in the day? I don't understand how they could have kept attacking after dark.
As I understand it, the issue was that the DDs were throwing up a phosphorescent wake which could easily be seen by enemy planes making them relatively easy targets.
0030 if it was 1230 p.m that is just 1230. What gets more difficult is Zulu time as well as others. Some of them like Zulu time you add or subtract depending on where you are in the world.
I hear you what you’re saying about being considered obsolete that word gets tossed around too much. I know you’re not saying it in a bad way, but these people that make this determination no it’s obsolete you know anyways yeah it was one hell of an airplane. I’ll tell you right now Jim mungai from Kennerdell Pennsylvania.
This video is interesting in that when GERMANY lost in EUROPE American and AUSTRALIA could fight JAPANESE forces in the PACIFIC and after the battle of midway slowly JAPAN was Beijing pulled back JAPAN made it fatal mistake attacking on DECEMBER 7TH 1941.Eventually the ATOMIC BOMB came and the war ended
MacArthur was a B grade general who was best at lying and blowing his own trumpet. MacArthur probably got a lot of people killed unnecessarily. The people who won the Pacific war were Admiral Nimitz and Admiral King despite MacArthur. See An Unauthorised History of the Pacific War on UA-cam, they do an episode on MacArthur. There are plenty of other authorities that describe how MacArthur failed, and took credit for successes he had nothing to do with. The history needs to be rewritten to tell the truth about MacArthur. Not America’s best.
I honestly don't know how we could have won WW2 without intense training in proper pronoun usage and a much better awareness of how coarse language and hurtful rhetoric could potentially trigger Japanese LGBTQ+ sensibilities.
The US threw waves of below average naval vessels and young poor American boys into the meat grinder of superior Japanese vessels and sailors. Victory by attrition. Same recipe in Europe. All the death and despair for WW2 was 100% avoidable if we didn't act the way we did after WW1.
WHAT!? Maybe in the beginning of the war but after a year US learned the lessons, they got rid of leadership that was ineffective, new ships were built, new technology was developed. We weren't just outbuilding them, we quickly beat them in the quality of ships, planes and soldiers. It was far from a victory of attrition
@My Olds after we depleted their better pilots and sailors. They, like the Germans, had superior quality for the first years of the war but could not sustain a long war with the US. We essentially treaded water until 43. America was able to throw more men and mass produced materiel at our enemies who could not compete in that scenario. The Axis were aware of this.
Fantastic. My Dad was with the 77th at Ormoc so I heard a lot of the land campaign. Did not realize the Naval contribution besides amphibs. Another great battle for our Navy. Go Navy!
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The PBY was considered obsolete by Pearl Harbor yet went on to make a huge contribution to the war effort, both in the Pacific and Atlantic. That they were able to take off so over gross weight is a testimony to Consolidated and to the crews. I never knew of this action...and will never forget it.
One of my "fuck you money" goals. I want to put turboprops or even fans on her if the frame can handle it. I know someone did one with turboprops successfully.
the Mariner Seaplane meant to replace the PBY, as good as it was, still kept getting shown up by the PBY. Don't get me wrong, the Mariner was a good airframe and did everything it set out to do, people were just so use to the PBY and what it could do. (similar thought process along with cost, behind why we still use F-15s and A-10s despite some wanting the F-35 to become our new all-purpose airframe, replacing even the F-22)
Pby had range, versatility, and most of all get into and out of a fight if need be. She unfortunately was a pain in the Six to work on.
Considered obsolete by whom? It had only recently been rolled out. Nothing was able to replace it so how is something obsolete before anything was ready to replace it.
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A huge thank you to all who fought at sea, land and air and to all who helped at home with the war effort. We owe you a debt that can never be paid.
The Naval Battle That Nobody Expects to Survive, the best video, greetings from Indonesian traditional gold prospectors
My dad was on the USS Moale . He was 18 years old during the battle . He never discussed one word of this great battle and I only discovered his history after he passed away. I have a minute by minute typed account of the battle as raged!
God bless your dad and all USN men
What did his account say!?
Please consider giving a copy of the battle to Dark Seas and I'm sure they could make an awesome video out of it!
My dad was on the destroyer Albert W. Grant at Surigao Straits. They made a torpedo run on the Japanese fleet and were stenciled up by crossfire from both sides coming back out. He said only thing that saved them from being blown up was the their armor was so light the heavy rounds from the cruisers punched straight through the ship without detonating. They had to fight to save it from sinking, and were dead in the water for a few days until a scout plane spotted them and a couple of other destroyers came out to tow them in.
Taking off from the water with 59 passengers? Wow, what great pilots and planes!
well seaplane do exists
@@hjhkgjfawdferyyurv1222 the point is that the seaplane was loaded way beyond capacity, and the increased load and hydrodynamic drag make taking off a real challenge. It also puts great stress on the airframe and hull. I thought that was obvious.
@@kpd3308 not impossible considering it's during war
@@hjhkgjfawdferyyurv1222 War doesn't change aerodynamics. Or shut trolls up.
@@hjhkgjfawdferyyurv1222 War or no war, the laws of physics remain the same. It took immense skill to get the planes airborne under those conditions.
A presentation of a sea battle would be much more enjoyable and understandable if a map of the battle were shown, and if the map showed where the ships travelled in the fighting.
I searched battle of ormoc bay wikipedia shows a map but I do agree a map with this video would of been good.
you’re better off looking at channels like drachinfiel, kings and generals, the operations room, real time history, battle guide, and even the history channel yt account- specifically the show “biggest battles of ww2” if you want “play by plays” of battle. this channel doesn’t go into much depth and often contains incorrect info.
@@ripwednesdayadams * rarely (or occasionally) contains incorrect info
There are a few UA-cam channels that do precisely this
'Liveth For Evermore' is a good place to start
@@chrisburke624 Thanks for the information. I'll start watching that channel.
The world will never see an America with so much courage and aggressiveness as my parents generation.
i hope that you are wrong
True. Now the americans kill hundred of thousand people and invade countries without a reason; Vietnam, Irak, etc etc etc. It is not more courage it is warmongering and Imperialistic based into fallacies of freedom.
Just gotta wake up the sleeping bear like usual
Awwsome narration!!
Thank you, these video's are very well done.
My Dad told me bits a pieces of the Battles and he and so many experienced.
Such was a simple/humble Man, it's difficult to imagine him there.
The DD 692 Allen M. Sumner class Destroyer had the best warship design ever in period terms of pound for pound warfighting ability. At 2200 tons standard displacement, 35kts top speed, these ships were a logical evolution of the previous mass produced Fletcher class (2100 tons displacement). As such, Sumners had the perfect balance of speed, maneuverability. They carried 5x 5"/38cal Rifles, 12-16x 40mm M1/M2 Autocannon, and 5 or 10x 21" Torpedo Tubes, plus four Y Racks, 2x DC rails, for up to 50 depth charges.
At close range, all Sumner class deck crews were Expert at throwing number 10 cans of C ration Ham and Lima Beans at enemy vessels.
Sumner had great sensors, formidable ASW capability, formidable Air Defense capability, formidable surface engagement capability. And the best sailors. USN forever!
What? Throwing rations to the enemy? The Japanese probably fell on such things with hunder and relish.
@@SeattlePioneer We called them "ham and ***ers." The beans were like hardtack.
@@WildBillCox13 Nam vet? Welcome home.
Go Navy!
@@marcusalexander7088 'Nam era vet with several friends who served in country. Thanks.
20 Dec 1944, the British Pacific Fleet launched an air attack on the Sumatran refineries, that were a major source of oil for the Japanese military. In other words, the Japanese were worn down, bit by bit, in each allied operation.
Great video, thank you
👏🛩💥 The resilience and valor of the crews operating the PBY aircraft during the unexpected naval battle is awe-inspiring. Despite being considered obsolete, they made a significant impact on the war effort in both the Pacific and Atlantic theaters. The fact that they were able to take off over gross weight is a testament to the ingenuity of Consolidated and the incredible skills of the crews. This lesser-known action deserves recognition and appreciation. It's truly fascinating to uncover these hidden stories of courage and sacrifice. 🙌🌊🔥
Please do a video about Laffey (Benson class destroyer DD-459)
Check under the title: "The Ship That Wouldn't Die As Long As A Single Gun Will Fire" also by Dark Seas. Good, solid production.
My mother's cousin last assignment was at Leyte. He wrote that he couldn't wait to get back. During mopping up operations he was killed by a sniper. He has a ballpark named in his honor in Mass.
Paul Collella Memorial Park
I love this channel and it's narrator
The narrator is AI
@@ValleyProud916 no. He is a person.
Absolutely love your videos! Keep them coming!
Remarkable bravery from the PBY crews, determined not to leave any of their comrades behind
Excellent - Thanks !
A description of the TA convoys to Ormoc Bay would be very welcome.
Please do a video about 6th comando
Bernard Buchanan
Never got to know my grandad
But that’s him and he has his medals
Great video. Highly inspiring and educational. Thank you!
Amazing work those men did.
Three Destroyers versus the Japanese Fleet to disrupt the supply routes. The odds were highly against them. Tricky but doable..
Judging by the pictures we had some massive destroyers. Some looked just like battleships and carriers. No wonder we kicked their ass.
Thats a massive overstatement. I do not know how on gods green earth you could mistake a US DD for a US BB.
One turret of a Yamato class Battleship weighed more than a Fletcher class Destroyer, never mind the rest of the Battleship
@@jamessimms415 - That just meant it hit the ocean floor a little quicker.
The PBY Catalina is an excellent air frame. There are a few still flying. The cost to fly in one is high but worth it.
Something else about the Cat, she was some kind of 🤬 to work on.
My great great grandfather was part of the assault. He didn't talk about it due to so much death.
Combat Experiences..Can Not be Fully Described...
Emotion.Noise.Quick changing Evolution of Action..and a Restless Ending..
Thanks for this amazing episode, but how come there was no air support? Anyone know the reasons for this?
I think General MacArthur has been given far to much credit for the defeat of Japan.
It has always seemed to me that Admiral Nimitz had a much more difficult assignment in the swath of battles that fell on his shoulders.
Like uhh, where was the air coverage? Should have came in to cover them and help!
If this was after Surigao strait, Halsey may still have had his dead up his a$$.
It was one of those nighttime destroyer actions. Like most destroyer actions.
The 'cover photo' is the USS Franklin CV13 taken by the photographer on the USS Santa Fe, CL60.
Dark Seas ROCKS!!!!!!! may i recommend to anyone who is ever near Hawthore Nevada, to stop in at the Hawthorne Ordnance Museum. one of the best small museums out there.
I would like to hear the rescue of the Cooper buy the Consolidated Catalina pilots.🇺🇸
At 1:48 MacArthur and his chief of staff Lt. Col Eisenhower.
Please also include charts in your video so thatwe have better perspective. Tnx
McArthur should have let them resupply and then bypass, it would have saved tens of thousands of Philippine lives.
Al Bullock. He's the photographer who took the photo of the thumbnail of the USS Franklin.
R.I.P. Al. I miss our morning talk. Every time I see a Nikon camera, I think of you.
Never heard of this battle before but something is strange. Why would the Americans attack such important target with only 3 destroyers? At that time they had hundreds of planes in the Filipinas!
Bigger ships could not enter the bay.
@@scottcooper4391 i was thinking more about air attack.
My dad was on the USS Sumner in this battle!
Why no allied air cover?
NIGHTTIME!
@@hallmobility Because the sun never shines on that harbor?
There were Japanese bombers and fighters going after the destroyers.
@@chrisrautmann8936 THAT was in the previous afternoon.
i love old war
So Allied Command (that late in war) couldn't or wouldn't have rotating squadrons of P-47s, P-38s, F4Us, and/or F6Fs?
Thumbnail is the Franklin?
Largest sea battle??
I love it Its part Philippines 🇵🇭 History the mist awesome Naval Battles are here. And those who are ones iur enemies are now friends ti deal with the China Threat
Question: You state that the enemy planes continued to attack right up until the attack began at 12:00 AM? I was unaware that the Zero, or any other WWII planes (except for night fighters) could fly at night! Was the enemy air action earlier in the day? I don't understand how they could have kept attacking after dark.
As I understand it, the issue was that the DDs were throwing up a phosphorescent wake which could easily be seen by enemy planes making them relatively easy targets.
When is 1230 am? Is that 0030 or 1230. The twenty four hour clock is quite useful.
0030 if it was 1230 p.m that is just 1230. What gets more difficult is Zulu time as well as others. Some of them like Zulu time you add or subtract depending on where you are in the world.
Zero attempt to align video with story......
Plane pilots = balls of steel.
The audio description of the action has almost no connection to the video scenes.
...would be nice if the scenery matched the narrative
MacArthur left his men in the Philippines!!! 😢😢
subsequent?
Wrong the biggest naval battle of all time is the battle of Ecnomus with more warships and more manpower than the battle of Leyte Gulf ♥
Most engagements in Pacific were committed by destroyers and sub vs destroyers and sub. That why USA and Japan built so many of them.
This film footage with mostly aircraft carriers is not from this battle obviously, makes it hard to watch.
Back when young males were men 👍
Completely agree.
You don't know any modern Marines do you?
@@markmitchell457 he doesn't know any modern people
@@williamcarter1993 Truth hurts huh 😂😂
Please No war,,,
I hear you what you’re saying about being considered obsolete that word gets tossed around too much. I know you’re not saying it in a bad way, but these people that make this determination no it’s obsolete you know anyways yeah it was one hell of an airplane. I’ll tell you right now Jim mungai from Kennerdell Pennsylvania.
This video is interesting in that when GERMANY lost in EUROPE American and AUSTRALIA could fight JAPANESE forces in the PACIFIC and after the battle of midway slowly JAPAN was Beijing pulled back JAPAN made it fatal mistake attacking on DECEMBER 7TH 1941.Eventually the ATOMIC BOMB came and the war ended
has anyone survived your employment schemes, all of which are military in nature
I Like this Show Dark Seas! But Show reverent Films OK?
the purple code? that's a diplomatic code. do you mean JN-25?
Many old age in surigao norte any sur experienced seeing dogfighting planes in their skies in 40's
MacArthur was a B grade general who was best at lying and blowing his own trumpet. MacArthur probably got a lot of people killed unnecessarily. The people who won the Pacific war were Admiral Nimitz and Admiral King despite MacArthur. See An Unauthorised History of the Pacific War on UA-cam, they do an episode on MacArthur. There are plenty of other authorities that describe how MacArthur failed, and took credit for successes he had nothing to do with. The history needs to be rewritten to tell the truth about MacArthur. Not America’s best.
Maps would be helpful.
I strike
what happened to 40,000 Japanese soldiers? Wiped out?
Reminiscent of the black cat mission from call of duty waw
my dad was there,,,,,,,
DD-364
I wonder how many people Macarthur would have sacrificed for his ego?
All of them.
Sadly.
Call it a draw
Desetine mornara iz kupera završili u moru japanci gde su oni završili imali verovatno ponton do obale😂😂 ja smeća od filmića
Let us not forget that every single action by the Japanese, from merely breathing to loading weapons to fighting back was a warcrime.
Why?
どんな歴史認識やねん
細かく説明してみろやボケ
Too many unrelated and disjointed video images
ကိုပီ
I honestly don't know how we could have won WW2 without intense training in proper pronoun usage and a much better awareness of how coarse language and hurtful rhetoric could potentially trigger Japanese LGBTQ+ sensibilities.
How times change.
The thumbnail showing a badly damaged. listing carrier was unnecessarily misleading.
Thumbs down for the background music. Can't listen with it.
The US threw waves of below average naval vessels and young poor American boys into the meat grinder of superior Japanese vessels and sailors. Victory by attrition. Same recipe in Europe.
All the death and despair for WW2 was 100% avoidable if we didn't act the way we did after WW1.
What? Japan didn't receive enough ex-German territories?
WHAT!? Maybe in the beginning of the war but after a year US learned the lessons, they got rid of leadership that was ineffective, new ships were built, new technology was developed. We weren't just outbuilding them, we quickly beat them in the quality of ships, planes and soldiers. It was far from a victory of attrition
Seek help soon 😂
@My Olds after we depleted their better pilots and sailors. They, like the Germans, had superior quality for the first years of the war but could not sustain a long war with the US. We essentially treaded water until 43. America was able to throw more men and mass produced materiel at our enemies who could not compete in that scenario. The Axis were aware of this.
100% facts
the sad truth is that the amerikas did not act with precision and professional, they just did what they could and shot at everything they could reach
how many hours a week you work making all these videos on all your channels? you a hard working MF
What a classy vocabulary, must be a want to be little og.
subsequent?