2096 An Unusual Spring Motor

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  • Опубліковано 29 жов 2023
  • You can find the STL files and more build details here www.thingiverse.com/thing:628...
    the original video by Bailytwick1 is here • SPRING POWERED MOTOR
    Don't forget to check out my companion channels TnT Onibus here / @tntomnibus and TnT Talk Time found here / @tnttalktime
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  • @ColinWatters
    @ColinWatters 8 місяців тому +80

    A pendulum is another good mechanical analogy for a tank circuit. It stores energy as Gravitational Potential and Kinetic. It even has a resonant frequency.

    • @philip5940
      @philip5940 8 місяців тому +3

      I'm also baffled . Anyway I'm reminded that the energy in an engine used to compress the valve springs is returned after the apex of rotation of camshaft is reached, maybe 70% efficiency. Many think it's completely lost energy .

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  8 місяців тому +5

      nic one mate - i agree - cheers

    • @Zane.Wellnitz
      @Zane.Wellnitz 8 місяців тому

      ​@@ThinkingandTinkeringMaybe a better outcome with four springs. One on the down stroke and the up stroke as well as on both sides of the flywheel🤙🏻

    • @jamesmatheson9624
      @jamesmatheson9624 8 місяців тому

      That's my intellectual property please tell this person to remove this video

    • @Zane.Wellnitz
      @Zane.Wellnitz 8 місяців тому +4

      @@jamesmatheson9624 no sir, you prove that statement first. And even if it were he changed a few things which makes it perefctly legal

  • @edeggermont
    @edeggermont 8 місяців тому +119

    Without the spring it would spin even longer!

    • @grazianoturbogas
      @grazianoturbogas 8 місяців тому +15

      You are right, that's must be a joke or something

    • @mattw7949
      @mattw7949 8 місяців тому +14

      I mean, it's a fine mechanical analogy for the tank circuit, but it isn't a "motor" and doesn't create and "free energy", or even store any energy that it didn't just steal from the flywheel.

    • @TangledWebBrewing
      @TangledWebBrewing 8 місяців тому +8

      It also won't have a specific frequency like an oscillator. It'll just slow down until it no longer has enough energy to overcome the spring..

    • @cmdrredhawk
      @cmdrredhawk 8 місяців тому +9

      Exactly what I was thinking. The energy returned to the flywheel by the spring.... Has to be less than than the energy it took to bend the spring plus the friction of the roller against the spring.

    • @OKFrax-ys2op
      @OKFrax-ys2op 8 місяців тому +5

      Throw it out of the window of the space shuttle, it’ll keep on spinning 😵‍💫

  • @TuttleScott
    @TuttleScott 8 місяців тому +60

    It has to run less time than just the wheel alone because of the friction you're adding.

    • @Cinnimin
      @Cinnimin 8 місяців тому

      its okay its made of ice actually

    • @jameshughes3014
      @jameshughes3014 8 місяців тому +2

      you also get less power out of an inductor and capacitor than you would if you just stored it in a capacitor. but they're still such useful circuits that they are everywhere. as a simple mechanical device i could see this having lots of uses for quickly interchanging types of motion and mechanical energies.

    • @TuttleScott
      @TuttleScott 8 місяців тому +3

      @@jameshughes3014 I was thinking this would only be useful if you wanted to store up energy in the flywheels spin to be used at a certain point in its revolution. maybe like a hammer or pile driver situation.

    • @TheChzoronzon
      @TheChzoronzon 8 місяців тому +1

      But probably with less variation in speed during a big chunk of the operating time. I mean, a less step gradient (but sawtoothy ) between the max and min (not being able to do a full turn) speeds, except at the very beginning where I expect a sharp drop the first time the peg contacts the blade, if I get it right

    • @MadScientist267
      @MadScientist267 8 місяців тому

      This video is what I call an idiot trap

  • @williamfraser
    @williamfraser 8 місяців тому +12

    A proper flywheel tank circuit would require the wheel to come to a stop and change direction of rotation. A good example can be found in mechanical wrist watches that employ a balance wheel and coil spring.

  • @antoniosagamuccio7370
    @antoniosagamuccio7370 8 місяців тому +8

    For greater efficiency, I would suggest a roller bearing in place of the solid round stock for your drive pin. Also, in the end where you show your version in action, you rotated the flywheel in the wrong direction. Because of it's mechanical nature you have to take into account levers. The drive pin on your flywheel needs less force to bend your "spring" when it's farther from the fulcrum and your "spring" can return more energy to the drive pin when it's closer to the fulcrum. Yes, it kinda ran, but you could see it losing potential rapidly in the clockwise (for the viewer) direction. Now, if you were to use a straight lever with a counterweight instead of a spring mechanism, I believe the opposite would hold true.

  • @MrDoyley35
    @MrDoyley35 8 місяців тому +16

    Im not sure the spring adds anything to that system apart from some mechanical losses.
    The flywheel should spin for longer without the spring I’m afraid.

    • @davidpeckham2405
      @davidpeckham2405 8 місяців тому +2

      Another show to see if we are critically thinking

    • @MaikWeber
      @MaikWeber 8 місяців тому +6

      Yes, I agree with that. The spring can only return the energy that it has absorbed in the first place. In addition, however, the pin rubs over the surface and thus brakes the wheel.

    • @vornamenachname762
      @vornamenachname762 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@MaikWeberyes and no. There is a Point the weight is in balance to itselve's weight. Than it phushes downwards. Do consider, a ocelating mechanism neads a bit of free binding. Maybe it is hitting a bit to much😅

  • @brianolliver5506
    @brianolliver5506 8 місяців тому +4

    A ball bearing race on the contact cam would increase efficiency

  • @anttho666
    @anttho666 7 місяців тому +1

    pushing the spring down requires energy which you don't get back so it will slow down fast than without the spring no free lunch

  • @SchamanetheSchamane
    @SchamanetheSchamane 8 місяців тому +8

    But shouldn't this slow down more quickly simply due to the added friction? I don't get the point in adding the spring....

    • @kelvinnixon9502
      @kelvinnixon9502 8 місяців тому +1

      Springs have there own stoted potenchial energy,so its efectivly like incteasing the size of the flyfheel the more stored ennergy the longer it takes for it to spool down and release its energy

    • @AChi__
      @AChi__ 8 місяців тому +1

      The friction can be reduced by adding small roller bearings with very low coefficient of friction to the end of the pin that comes in contact with the spring. That said, the system as is works because of the energy stored in the spring is used up in push the flying into its next circular motion.

    • @SchamanetheSchamane
      @SchamanetheSchamane 8 місяців тому

      @@kelvinnixon9502 Well okay but this would only mean a benefit If you could preload the spring. Otherwise IT Just magages a Part of the flywheels Power to operate.
      And If you could simply add weight to the flywheels I think you should Go this way, have only one moving Part and reduce the noise.

    • @jcmusix1
      @jcmusix1 8 місяців тому +4

      Agreed. People seem to be ignoring the pressure required to push the spring downward will slow it more than the return spring action gain due to friction.

  • @ImpossibumPlays
    @ImpossibumPlays 8 місяців тому +3

    I can't see it being as efficient as simply letting the flywheel spin unhindered. Fun thought for a mechanism regardless. Maybe it can be altered to serve as an alternative output for a secondary device.

  • @Xayuap
    @Xayuap 8 місяців тому +3

    this can allow a flywheel to not spin that fast while accumulating the same energy in the system

  • @danielking7988
    @danielking7988 8 місяців тому +1

    This is so cool. Thanks for the demonstration. What an innovative way to make a flywheel too, using a barbell weight, thank you, your videos are amazing

  • @user-tn1hk6zm2freedom
    @user-tn1hk6zm2freedom 8 місяців тому +2

    I see the creator spun it in the right direction. Lol.

  • @list1726
    @list1726 8 місяців тому

    Thanks for posting

  • @diyart336
    @diyart336 8 місяців тому

    It's amazing, thanks for sharing this motor-machine with us!

  • @MichaelStoko
    @MichaelStoko 8 місяців тому

    Good switch too, thank you!

  • @suncitybooksgeraldton335
    @suncitybooksgeraldton335 8 місяців тому +1

    The magnets are needed for the coil in the frame to add energy to make up for frictional losses using a battery in the base or a 2'' hole in the table so you can move it around a bit to show their are no wires,

  • @ShafaqIftikhar-pw9ld
    @ShafaqIftikhar-pw9ld 8 місяців тому

    Absolutely beautiful!!!!!

  • @kendom33
    @kendom33 8 місяців тому

    Great video Robert. Many thanks

  • @industrialmonk
    @industrialmonk 8 місяців тому +1

    Fascinating as usual 👍

  • @maxkennedy5073
    @maxkennedy5073 8 місяців тому +12

    What would the difference in rotation time be between the unit with and without the spring?

    • @herenowlife
      @herenowlife 8 місяців тому +2

      Yer that's the real test of it makes any difference

    • @TheChzoronzon
      @TheChzoronzon 8 місяців тому +3

      Without the spring it will go longer, less resistance. It educational as a form of oscillating stabilizer, not as a magical generator

  • @OktaFierce
    @OktaFierce 6 місяців тому +1

    A flywheel with extra friction, great...

  • @bioswars8827
    @bioswars8827 6 місяців тому

    It is awesome, and so are you. Thanks

  • @MerwinARTist
    @MerwinARTist 8 місяців тому

    Amazing indeed!

  • @CrudelyMade
    @CrudelyMade 8 місяців тому +9

    could you show what a 'bad' tuning is, and how to achieve a good tuning? or is it just "the longer it spins, the better the tuning"? would putting a bearing on the lever pressing the spring improve performance, since there wouldn't be the friction of the arm dragging across the spring, as the bearing would simply roll along the spring surface instead of dragging?

  • @Th4thWiseman
    @Th4thWiseman 8 місяців тому +1

    You're spinning it the wrong way, the cam must push on least resistance end 1st, then as the cam travels along the spring the force increases which gives a better kick upwards.
    Doing it in reverse as you are means the cam enters into springs most tensioned area and at exit on top on spring it's a weaker kick upwards!

  • @songbird76
    @songbird76 8 місяців тому +11

    Don't you have to spin it in the other direction as the push on the longer lever will require less force ?

    • @thescrape
      @thescrape 8 місяців тому +1

      Whatever force is absorbed by the spring is stored as elastic energy, regardless of how or where the wheel makes contact. It discharges exactly %100 of that energy back into the angular momentum after the cam passes the mid-way point. This implies that the same effect is reached regardless of direction of spin. Either the wheel encounters greater resistance at the beginning of the turn (and stores more energy in the spring) or it encounters less resistance and has more energy saved up in its kinetic momentum to push through the greater resistance at the end of the turn.

    • @Voidy123
      @Voidy123 8 місяців тому

      @@thescrape Have you tested it, or is that what you think? I will disagree with you as to say a 100% gets transferred back as that would assume the machine is perfect, thus efficiency and a lot of other forces suddenly come into play like resonance, stiffness of the spring/lever, etc. moving a mass with a lever from the middle point of the lever will take more power to start moving the spring. the same reason your car use more fuel when you jam the pedal down rather than accelerate slowly. Inertia is a big factor. You are essentially saying all energy will be transferred back to the wheel irrespective of the rotation direction, not taking into account the levering effect, for your statement to be true, both sides of the spring need to be anchored, which it is not, thus rotational direction should have an impact on the efficiency.

    • @thescrape
      @thescrape 8 місяців тому +1

      No Work is done, so no Power is generated. This isn't an actual motor but an almost-perpetual motion machine. Energy is lost (converted to heat, rather )through friction as the wheel spins, but the elastic coefficient of the spring gives as good as it gets (100%). Yes I am essentially saying all energy is transferred back into the wheel regardless of the rotation direction. Can you describe this "levering effect" using known Physics? Does it somehow invalidate the first law of Thermodynamics or are we squabbling over a miniscule efficiency trade-off? I believe the efficiency is equal, and you do not? Well only one of us is wrong, perhaps we can agree on that!😁

    • @Voidy123
      @Voidy123 8 місяців тому

      @@thescrape power is transferred between the flywheel and the spring, so work is definitely being done Levers are known physics, look it up. The point of impact when the flywheel are turned first to the short side of the lever need to move the spring from the middle, thus the springs force will initially be higher than at the end. To exasperate the effect, lift the spring higher to the bottom of the pin when the pin is at the very top of it's rotation, it will take more force to turn the flywheel towards the spring where it's anchored than the other way. I guess one of us is wrong.

  • @Mnestori1
    @Mnestori1 8 місяців тому

    Amazing! It is a ressonant phisical device

  • @brendananderson324
    @brendananderson324 8 місяців тому

    That is amazing!

  • @GrantOakes
    @GrantOakes 8 місяців тому +1

    It'll eventually stop spining. Because of the size of the weight and the amount of initial spin it'll take a couple minutes, but it WILL STOP!

  • @lescobrandon2202
    @lescobrandon2202 8 місяців тому +1

    With magnet bearing that thing would spin for ages.

  • @AaronWood5887
    @AaronWood5887 8 місяців тому

    You did it I knew I picked me a winner I wish you the greatest of success.

  • @markbothum4338
    @markbothum4338 8 місяців тому +1

    In a tank circuit you've got cap impedance 1/2(pi)fC and inductor impedance 2(pi)fL. You fix one and adjust the other so that they cancel at a specific value of "f". It's an amazing thing to watch in circuit simulation software. Mechanical analogs would be mass, "springiness" and rotation speed, I'm guessing. Without giving it much thought because it's late, I'm half lit and probably shouldn't be posting UA-cam comments.

  • @tomclanys
    @tomclanys 8 місяців тому +1

    The original video shows the "engine" clearly speed up during the last take, so, as I guessed right away, there has to be an electirc motor in the axle "bearing". You could hide tiny speaker wires under the paint.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  8 місяців тому

      you didn't guess you imagined - you also didn't watch the back up video - there is no attempt at free energy here

    • @tomclanys
      @tomclanys 8 місяців тому +1

      @@ThinkingandTinkering I meant the original video that You linked, not Your's recreation which obviously isn't a hoax, but an experiment, which just shows how it can't gain energy out of nowhere :)

  • @realkanavdhawan
    @realkanavdhawan 8 місяців тому +1

    We know Flywheel is equivalent to Inductor and Spring is equivalent to Capacitor but like electric circuit we cannot make mechanical circuit to make tank circuit, everytime you are bending the spring you are adding energy from flywheel to spring and not other way round, as *energy is conserved*

  • @Berkana
    @Berkana 8 місяців тому +18

    Robert, could you explain in more detail why this would have any advantage to just using a flywheel by itself? This one has the added friction of the peg rubbing on the spring with each turn. I don't see what you get out of this vs. just a flywheel; in this case, the flywheel is giving energy up to the spring, which then gives it right back, but with frictional losses. So what is gained by this?
    Two questions about possible variations:
    1. Is there a lower-friction way of pushing the spring? Perhaps a crank slider arrangement so the friction is at individual pivots rather than a peg rubbing on a strip of steel might work better?
    2. This arrangement only stores and releases energy for the bottom 130˚ of rotation. Is there some way to arrange this so that more of the rotation of the flywheel is employed? Would that confer any benefits?
    3. Is there any way to utilize an escapement like valve or something to gradually tap out energy from some stored source (elevated reservoir of water, sand, or even an elevated weight) to keep the wheel turning at a fairly constant speed? That might actually be useful.

    • @sitnamkrad
      @sitnamkrad 8 місяців тому +5

      I think it's more to do with the idea than actual practicality.
      Anytime you do any form of energy transmission/conversion in a real life scenario, energy is lost. So a flywheel by itself will run longer.
      That being said, a flywheel by itself has no practical application either. Not without a way to get the energy in and out. This could be a way to turn linear motion into rotary motion or vice versa.

    • @Xayuap
      @Xayuap 8 місяців тому +1

      this can allow a flywheel to not spin that fast while accumulating the same energy in the system

    • @MadScientist267
      @MadScientist267 8 місяців тому +5

      I see I've found the nutter side of YT again

    • @detrechrats
      @detrechrats 8 місяців тому +1

      It seems that it is merely a curiosity. Does nothing but elicit oohs and aahs from people as they pass by. Esthetic junk.

    • @RoachaTokes
      @RoachaTokes 8 місяців тому

      Its not junk the math is hard to see that its geometrically perfect. The pin doesnt have as much friction as it looks. for its sliding accros the pin the rotational force equals some where about 45 degrees whitch equates to a cutting force on that angle it has the most energy. It seems usless because no one wants to put out the energy and resources to build somthing like this big enough to make somthing happen. Using the leveraging force of the weel say about 10 feet in diameter driving a smaller wheel say about 10 inches bothe desighned the same but fed into each other by a gear force. And then ate the most leverage build your generator. Before you go perpetual you wind the clock every 12 hours. I would make the system restart it self with the excess energy and see how long it runs if you wanna test the efficiency of a system sping the wheel by letting it drop a rock. And then see how far it can lift it. If i had resources i would get into a bounch of stuff. You want to have a series of smaller wheels to lift. The more you add the more inturnal friction you get. An unballenced wheel and this concept would probably look pretty cool but some of the energy transfer would go into the slaush of liquid due to timeing. I feel like im venting.

  • @pietervanniekerk4453
    @pietervanniekerk4453 8 місяців тому

    the reason why it works is the cam pushes the spring further away from the fixed or pivot point when the cam moves down at 0 degrees, when the cam moves through to 180 degrees, the point of contact is closer to the pivot point this increases the force applied to the cam pushing it up .. the small weight for tuning balances out the energy required to keep it oscillating ... is the cam had a bearing .. less friction it would improve the operation . However one would have to increase the counter weight on the cam to balance the system. ... something to bear in mind ... the more perfect anything is made the less chance it will work ... equal and opposite forces cancel each other out ..

  • @VrilyaSS
    @VrilyaSS 8 місяців тому +6

    Nice Rebuild!
    Great that you give Background Info and Explanations, i know this Video for Years and always wondered about it, your replication does answered some queszions i had,
    One day we will see an Ovwerunity Device on this Channel!

    • @mattw7949
      @mattw7949 8 місяців тому +2

      No, we won't. Hopefully he sticks to science and "sciencey things" and avoids snake oil.

    • @paddy2661
      @paddy2661 8 місяців тому

      Yes there will be overunity device next year 2 of Tesla's investions that where hidden. I got info from a scientist that worked with Tesla he told before his passing , I'm building when funds are available to me next year , the big question will Rob happily show on his channel.
      A secret sauce the motor generator 2 flywheels 90° angle to each other , flywheels with identical gear ratio 1:1 , generator is horizontal positioned, the absolute must or it won't work the 4 pole 1800rpm motor has to run on 240v 60hz and 1800rpm it has to spin same direction as earth's rotation , yes the reason the electricity grid isn't 240v 60hz anymore but a VFD Variable Frequency Drive can fix that , as scientist said if Hz is off or rpm it won't lock in sync and no free power , the drive motor once sync will use alot less power that's when overunity starts.
      The science with 1800rpm comes into the earth's rotation speed too which is 1800rpm also.
      I wasn't told the size motor to generator kW difference I'm planning 2hp to 1kw as a test ratio then add more gen kW later if possible or just build bigger version.
      Yes the equal sized flywheels where described as being 400mm in size with gear on outer edge I'd say good for 4 to 5kw generator with that size and weight 10 to 15kg.
      It's real scientist even said if Hz is 58 it won't lock up it's that important and also have motor flywheel inline (left to right) with rotation of earth as close as possible .

    • @mattw7949
      @mattw7949 8 місяців тому +1

      @patrickskahill2661, good Lord, I hope that was intended as sarcasm. If not, I hope you haven't given all your money to the guy who pitched that to you.

  • @ThePastaManCan
    @ThePastaManCan 8 місяців тому +16

    how effective is it? it looked like it slowed down as much as you'd expect without the spring.

    • @David_Mash
      @David_Mash 8 місяців тому +3

      I was curious about that too, maybe even last run time with the spring

    • @Real46
      @Real46 8 місяців тому +5

      Exactly. There is no reason to believe the wheel will run longer with the spring hindering the movement.

    • @David_Mash
      @David_Mash 8 місяців тому +1

      @@Real46 still fun tho

    • @Rem_NL
      @Rem_NL 8 місяців тому +1

      this will only shorten it because you ad more friction

    • @TheChzoronzon
      @TheChzoronzon 8 місяців тому

      It's a stabilizer, not an extender

  • @justtinkering6713
    @justtinkering6713 8 місяців тому +1

    Now all you need for the "RL TANK CIRCUIT" Is super-conductivity. A thermoacoustic heat engine is kind of the same thing, just a heat oscillator.

  • @87697
    @87697 8 місяців тому

    Thank you for your work Robert 😁👍. I think if I had a teacher like you at school I my have stack around 😏

  • @creative27feb
    @creative27feb 7 місяців тому

    👍 Awesome, 73

  • @peterfelecan3639
    @peterfelecan3639 8 місяців тому +30

    Nice. Have you measured the time of the rotation, i.e., from initiating the flywheel to its stop, with and without the spring.; of course you should have the same energy to start the flywheel which is quite difficult to do manually but with a "starter rope" it can be quite precise. What do you think ?

    • @TheChzoronzon
      @TheChzoronzon 8 місяців тому +6

      I'd like to see those results indeed

    • @MrHerhor67
      @MrHerhor67 8 місяців тому

      Well obviously without the spring it will be longer. Good question is how much.

    • @peterfelecan3639
      @peterfelecan3639 8 місяців тому

      @@MrHerhor67 then what's the deal with this contraption ?

    • @TheChzoronzon
      @TheChzoronzon 8 місяців тому

      @@peterfelecan3639 stabilization, like a watch escape

    • @peterfelecan3639
      @peterfelecan3639 8 місяців тому

      @@TheChzoronzon it means that the stabilization's price is energy perdition

  • @cranegantry868
    @cranegantry868 8 місяців тому

    Everything is resonant.

  • @Gigatrix
    @Gigatrix 8 місяців тому +1

    Instead of a spring. What about a bi metal strip like in an old indicator? Supply a voltage to the strip and the fly wheel with a brush and when it contacts it heats up through resistance and clicks on giving a small kick to the wheel.

  • @dennisdahl3
    @dennisdahl3 7 місяців тому

    nice motorized desk toy

  • @olsmokey
    @olsmokey 8 місяців тому

    I suspect it would run longer without the spring entirely, due to the friction involved when it's in contact with the spring.

  • @donm1547
    @donm1547 8 місяців тому +2

    Robert, please show the difference of rotation 'Duration' with and without the spring, to illustrate the theory

  • @Voidy123
    @Voidy123 8 місяців тому +2

    Turning it the other way might be better, the initial push will be on the far end of the lever traveling down and coming closer to the anchor point of the spring which in turn will turn it up with more force since the spring is shorter now. The way you're doing it should also work, but I hear a loud tap every time it hits the shorter stiffer part of the spring first which means energy are lost through sound and thus more friction on the spring. As a test of my theory it would be interesting to see a timed experiment to either side and verify if I'm right or bonkers 🤣

  • @peskybear1432
    @peskybear1432 8 місяців тому

    I may be wrong about this but I would think that the optimum position of the tuning magnets would depend to a degree on the rotational speed of the flywheel, so some sort of position governor might give some small benefit provided the additional friction does not impact too much.

  • @Electronzap
    @Electronzap 8 місяців тому

    Cool motor.

  • @richardminor5401
    @richardminor5401 6 місяців тому

    When I see these kind of things It always seems to me that a Geared Mechanism might be the solution to a longer running mechanism

  • @nathanieljames7462
    @nathanieljames7462 8 місяців тому

    Matter tank. I love it!

  • @mqnc6275
    @mqnc6275 8 місяців тому

    I feel like it should have to go back and forth to be a proper analogy. With the spring stopping the wheel and pushing it back.

  • @johnmanderson2060
    @johnmanderson2060 8 місяців тому

    Some ptfe or Teflon coating on the contact point of the blade might help reducing friction. Furthermore, you could pile up magnets below the counterweights magnets but with upside down polarity, it might help maintaining the rotation longer

  • @zoom7533
    @zoom7533 7 місяців тому

    You just invent Perpetuum mobile! Congratulations!

  • @MrNatural451
    @MrNatural451 8 місяців тому +3

    What about setting a coil around the magnets? Could the resistance of the coil/magnetic flux be tuned out? I might try this. Thanks for the inspiration.

  • @awkerper
    @awkerper 6 місяців тому

    Imagine building a beefier version using a flywheel from a wood chipper and an automotive leaf spring! Perhaps that could drive a modest electricity generator?

  • @aaabeverages7152
    @aaabeverages7152 7 місяців тому

    Rare Earth magnets can be used with inductor to create voltage and current to power motors

  • @wilfrieddebruyne9212
    @wilfrieddebruyne9212 8 місяців тому

    You invented perpetuum mobile again

  • @johnultimate1161
    @johnultimate1161 8 місяців тому

    To reduce the friction a bit. put a small bearing on the bar that touches the spring blade. Thanks!!

  • @justtinkering6713
    @justtinkering6713 8 місяців тому

    This seems like a mechanical analog of a magnetic V gate motor.

  • @9demirtas
    @9demirtas 8 місяців тому

    The flywheel needs to be balanced or it is a double pendulum with extra steps, hard to "tune" to a desired frequency. The beat frequency of wheel pin and spring will make it stop prematurely due to sudden static friction at zero crossing.

  • @drofmudd
    @drofmudd 8 місяців тому

    Spin the wheel in the other direction. The cam push down easier and get more lift coming up.

  • @johny79action
    @johny79action 8 місяців тому

    I believe if you spuun it the opposite way the spring will have more effect as the length of spring will shorten as it drags along it, this in turn will increase the springs resistance causing it to add energy to the system.

  • @SloopyJohnG
    @SloopyJohnG 8 місяців тому

    A tighter analogue to the tank circuit would have the flywheel reciprocating to-and-fro, almost a full revolution, between the extremes of spring deflection. The LC oscillator is, after all, an AC device.

  • @Zane.Wellnitz
    @Zane.Wellnitz 8 місяців тому +1

    Maybe a better outcome with four springs. One on the down stroke and the up stroke as well as on both sides of the flywheel🤙🏻

  • @TheAdeybob
    @TheAdeybob 8 місяців тому

    pretty cool

  • @RobCCTV
    @RobCCTV 8 місяців тому

    I have a solution looking for a problem. I have now learnt FreeCad, and have mastered 3D printing. Now I have an almost infinite making capability. Nice.

  • @chaorrottai
    @chaorrottai 8 місяців тому

    Another tank circuit for you:
    - you store potential energy in a rotor as electrostatic attraction and repulsion between the rotor plates and stator plates
    - the stator plates are electrically connected to each other so that charge can redistribute between the stator plates
    - If there is a load on the electrical line connecting the stator plates, then the load will limit the speed that charge can redistribute with
    - when the rotor is rotated to the highest energy state, directly in the center between both stator plates, where it has the most potential energy, it could fall into one of two lower energy states:
    - It could be rotated backwards and the polarity of the stators would be equal to the starting state
    - It could be rotated forwards and the polarity of the stators would be opposite to the starting state
    - either way: the force of electrostatic attraction, provided there is enough capacitance and applied voltage on the rotor plates, will cause the rotor to "spring" into it's lowest energy position
    If you have enough capacitance and applied voltage, you could use this spring action to "power" 1/2 of the rotors rotation in 1/4 rotation segements

  • @georgeblack589
    @georgeblack589 8 місяців тому

    A mechanism like this would make a very interesting escapement in a clock.

  • @anthonyleske6840
    @anthonyleske6840 8 місяців тому +1

    It is rotating the wrong way! It would work better the other way due to the leverage of the spring.

  • @selfhealing1047
    @selfhealing1047 8 місяців тому

    the wheel weight spins faster and longer without extra stuff attached

  • @WayneTheSeine
    @WayneTheSeine 8 місяців тому +3

    What an awesome device. I suppose the more accurate the parts, bearings, flywheel, and smoothness of the cam and spring...it will run for quite some time. Maybe a shot of some silicon spray on things will help as well. Awesome!

    • @valveman12
      @valveman12 8 місяців тому +2

      Or magnetic suspension bearings

  • @Mmouse_
    @Mmouse_ 8 місяців тому

    Everyone forgets that... There's nothing in physics that says perpetual motion is impossible.
    The caveat is, you'd have to eliminate all friction and resistance and part wear/degradation and if you've managed that somehow you have a machine that will operate in perpetuity - that's an engineering problem to solve.
    Of course, physics steps back in once you've got that machine that runs forever and gently reminds you "that's very cool, however, if you take energy from it, it will stop... Thanks for playing".

  • @dennisjohnson8753
    @dennisjohnson8753 8 місяців тому

    Good video!

  • @caseyvillemodelrailroad3877
    @caseyvillemodelrailroad3877 8 місяців тому

    Great vidio, got ta build that for a tiki bar toy. Thanks for the morning coffee...

  • @RoachaTokes
    @RoachaTokes 8 місяців тому

    The magnet is attracting to the steel peg giving resistance use a different weight. Spin the well in the other direction takes advantage of the levering force of the spring.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  8 місяців тому

      it's too far and the peg is non magnetic stainless steel

    • @prometheus1111111
      @prometheus1111111 8 місяців тому

      Dear Robert,
      if it's not too sacrilegious, why not simply put some magnets on that flywheel and a coil around it just for fun just to see how much you would get? I mean there couldn't possibly be any reason to have any objections against doing such a simple test right?
      cheers ;)

  • @Tletna
    @Tletna 8 місяців тому +2

    Did you test which direction spinning the wheel lasted longer? Did you test putting a small bear and small wheel on the pin so as to minimize drag when it hits the spring (or lubricant or both?)?

  • @kbbacon
    @kbbacon 8 місяців тому

    Basically, a rotary pendulum that uses a spring to replace gravity.

  • @christianworthinton8000
    @christianworthinton8000 8 місяців тому

    The flywheel will eventually stop. You have friction and the heat generated by the compression of the spring. If a magnet is involved, it will use up the magnetic field energy until the magnet is 'dead'.

  • @cliffordbaxter1992
    @cliffordbaxter1992 7 місяців тому

    Very Cool brother ✝️🇺🇸😀

  • @em9594
    @em9594 8 місяців тому

    Add a small air coil under the magnets and see how much it generates!

  • @kezurik1072
    @kezurik1072 8 місяців тому +5

    Watching this, I had a thought for a generator. Essentially have 2 magnet holders on the spring that drop down (like how he had the magnets), but have them facing toward eachother and have it move up and down some copper wiring. Go from a flywheel spring motor to a flywheel spring generator.

    • @ShafaqIftikhar-pw9ld
      @ShafaqIftikhar-pw9ld 8 місяців тому +1

      My thoughts on the same lines

    • @mattw7949
      @mattw7949 8 місяців тому +2

      You could do that, but it will make the flywheel slow down by exactly however much energy you make with the magnets and wire. The lever will be a little harder to push down and will push back on the wheel a little less. Consider why they don't put alternators on electric cars.

    • @valveman12
      @valveman12 8 місяців тому +1

      If you try and make a generator using the example in this video, you will find as soon as you try to draw current, the flywheel will slow down and stop. The reason, is Lenz's Law.

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax 8 місяців тому +1

      that's just a way of extracting the energy--put a generator on it.

    • @Voidy123
      @Voidy123 8 місяців тому +1

      If you have a heavy flywheel and you help the spring along with a solenoid motor connected to a solar panel the flywheel can act as a battery, but honestly, a few magnets and coils could probably do even better. Problem with flywheel batteries are their size, a 4 ton flywheel coming off it's bearings can be an ugly thing.

  • @vk2zay
    @vk2zay 8 місяців тому

    A torsional pendulum is probably a more direct flywheel utilising analogy to an LCR resonator. The spring constant is the C, the moment of inertia is L and the friction losses R. A simple spring, mass, damper system would be very similar, just no rotational inertia, a linear one instead. The direction of rotation (current) reverses like AC current does in a tank. With the mechanical system here the flywheel rotates only in one direction and the loading and unloading of the spring is transient (i.e non-sinusoidal) which means it has harmonic distortion. Its cool, and relatively efficient, but not as efficient as just the flywheel and its bearings if energy storage an motion for a long time are desired.
    The closest electrical analogy to this system is probably a switching converter that is switching an otherwise shorted inductor charged with a large current periodically (briefly and synchronously twice per cycle) in series with a tank circuit. The spring cantilever is the tank resonator and the flywheel is the large shorted inductor. The inductor may as well be a capacitor connected periodically in parallel if that is easier to think about - you could consider it as an electrochemical battery too and the posts contacting the cantilever as active switching devices which periodically recharge the cantilever from the battery/inductor/capacitor whatever. This is a lot like a clock escapement, with the flywheel being the power source and the cantilever resonator being the frequency determining element.
    There is one additional complexity however which the electrical system wouldn't model unless it was a bit more complex. The period of the cantilever and the rotation of flywheel force each other via the periodic coupling of the pin which is physically attached to the flywheel. This means the forcing period is inversely proportional to the current stored and the amplitude of the cantilever response will vary as the flywheel discharges, in fact as it decays it could scan across the cantilever resonance if started above resonance and its amplitude would peak and then decay as its slows. If the energy stored in the flywheel is very large with respect to the cantilever at least, if they were closer to on par you have something like a coupled resonator system and the behaviour would be complex, even chaotic for some tunings.

  • @AlienLivesMatter
    @AlienLivesMatter 8 місяців тому

    A bearing over the tab will reduce the friction while striking the spring

  • @lohikarhu734
    @lohikarhu734 8 місяців тому

    And, most mechanical watches have an oscillating wheel, which gets a tiny kick from a spring driven system...spring plus flywheel, plus energy source

  • @deanrowles3665
    @deanrowles3665 8 місяців тому

    That’s amazing, you have to turn that into a generator

  • @robinbiddlecombe9202
    @robinbiddlecombe9202 8 місяців тому +16

    Looks like fun, in the first demo the peg was hitting the spring further away from the fixed end (clockwise rotation), In your demo of your printed one it hit closer to the fixed end first (anti clockwise) I'm wondering if this makes any difference?

    • @vornamenachname762
      @vornamenachname762 8 місяців тому +3

      It does😂 the resonance point is to find the push back moment😮

    • @Michel-7.7.7
      @Michel-7.7.7 8 місяців тому

      I would assume, clockwise it loses more energy, pushing down the spring from the back, than coming from the front and the stored push up force is lower than in the counter clockwise run🤔

    • @steveschunk5702
      @steveschunk5702 8 місяців тому

      The first way you get more up-force, but over a shorter time, so there isn’t much difference in efficiency cw vs ccw.

    • @Voidy123
      @Voidy123 8 місяців тому +1

      @@steveschunk5702 I think testing is in order here, considering the loud click it's making and it's hitting the spring more in the center where the effect of the springs mass will come into play, not to mention the resonance that there will have to be.(Imagine a softer spring wobbling) By hitting it on the end first and sliding along would seem to be a better and smoother option and the wheel should loose less energy at a time like a lever... It's easier to start jacking a car up by using the end of the lever than grabbing it by the middle. There are a whole lot of forces moving around here, so I'm all for hitting the end of the spring first and waiting for someone to prove me wrong.

  • @High-Tech-Redneck
    @High-Tech-Redneck 8 місяців тому +1

    you are the best, thanks so much for sharing so many projects that cause us to think a little bit deeper into our reality

  • @harmonic3350
    @harmonic3350 8 місяців тому

    Nice! I wonder if there would be a positive effect if you tuned it with some opposing magnets on the bottom giving it a sort of cushion and additional push with the opposing polarity.

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax 8 місяців тому +1

      that's what the spring does

  • @affleck80
    @affleck80 8 місяців тому +2

    Wouldn’t it help if the pin which strikes the spring had a small ball bearing fitted to eliminate drag on the spring ?

  • @Dagonius.
    @Dagonius. 8 місяців тому +1

    Not bad, but if you turned the fly wheel the other way, I think it would be more effective.

  • @ConanDuke
    @ConanDuke 8 місяців тому

    It's not a motor, it's a flywheel.

  • @kellyb.mcdonald1863
    @kellyb.mcdonald1863 8 місяців тому

    Thank You!!! It's like I can remember the technology of Lemuria from ages ago, and the technology was not all that different, and was really very simple technology, like your video!!!! but I also recall that what is missing in today's society, ya! what we don't have, but what Lemuria Did Have was a way to electrify the air, and make these simple devices operate all the time, effortlessly. Everyone take a deep breath, and Everyone relax, The Day will come when Lemuria will be here once again, and the skies will not have a single drop of carbon in it, from fossil fuel motor's/engines. Kelly - The Empress Mary of Ancient Temple Lemuria!!!

  • @vornamenachname762
    @vornamenachname762 8 місяців тому

    Energy comes from oscilating WEIGHT at the spring🎉 It is very near to Gravitation Macinery from Sebia❤

  • @christopherparis6841
    @christopherparis6841 8 місяців тому

    Darn you lol got my wheels turning n burning

  • @jamest.5001
    @jamest.5001 8 місяців тому

    Imagine that with a good semi operable magnet motor, maybe it could make it keep going push it past the hangup spot. Or the spring lever move a magnet causing the hang up. I have thought maybe if the magnets are spinning in place . Timed with the rotor they may work better, or use a electro magnet to bend the permeant magnets field , preventing a hangup!

  • @veganismyname
    @veganismyname 8 місяців тому

    Unrelated but electricity transmission lines cost 20x more than oil pipelines per unit energy transmitted, i read today in one review paper

  • @eXeYeZ-404
    @eXeYeZ-404 8 місяців тому

    Would putting a coil around the magnet tuning weights produce any usable current