the rarest Warhammer ork and WHY you've never heard of it
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This week we're discovering the greatness of one of the rarest and most sought after miniatures - The Armorcast Great Gargant - why its so rare, why they stopped making it - and then some! Fun story for all Warhammer and game lovers.
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Nice
You can tell how much GW paid attention to those old Inquisitor magazines. They used to have a top models we want from GW article.
Almost everything that was ever on that list is now a model.
I miss the days of convert till it hurts.
It was a different time for sure. Lots to still love about the game and the community though
love your content man! Can I ask, where did you get that amazing sweater?
@@duncanrieder3738 mostly buy at h&m or carling here in Sweden or my own Merch cause I'm a cheap ass 🤣
Minor nit-pick correction: The 1980's Rhino and Land Raider were originally just generic armoured vehicles for 40K. You could use them for any army.
They were always Imperial vehicles, in Rogue Trader era Guard and Marines shared equipment types and other factions sometime had captured Imperial vehicles.
@@101Mant Harlequins could also use captured Imperial vehicles, provided they'd been repainted in suitably riotous colours.
@@101Mant You are right of course. I seem to recall reading something like that in the original Rogue Trader 40K rulebook, or at least in one of the early issues of White Dwarf just after the release of 40K.
On the original box art text they were described as "armoured assault vehicle" and "battle tank of the 41st millenium". Later on they added "Space Marine" to the text - that must have been when GW started writing proper rules for the game.
I miss Squats in Land Raiders tho.
Its a copy of the Epic scale “Great Gargant” that was supposed to be the same size as a Warlord Titan. So to be lore accurate he’s printed it way too small.
And don’t forget Blood Axes , Orks in Rhinos!
It's so funny to see three guys huddled around a single model painting at the same time. Gotta say, that's a new one for me!
We got a very Tight video schedule, got some help with base coats n such to finish in time 😊
@@SquidmarMiniatures To be honest, I could use a hand getting commissions done in a timely manner lol
Foursome achieved
The resin print definitely turned out more Stompa sized than Great Gargant, but it's absolutely great seeing those again. 2nd Ed was my favorite edition of 40K, and I was a huge EPIC player, that's actually how I started the hobby, as an Adeptus Titanicus/Space Marine player. Love it, great job.
Yeah Great Gargants are meant to be just under the height of a Warlord titan since they're the Ork version with Mega Gargants being the Imperator Titan version.
mmmm i say its probably alright for a standard gargent.. perfect size for the old mech boy gargent.. i loved old epic orks
Isn't it closer to the smaller Epic scale? I assume something so huge wouldn't be used in a normal game.
I know someone who bought this way back when. He also made an entire ork village and fort. We used for gorkamorka. He also made an ork blimp. It was used as terrain. It was 2 feet by 3 feet and 2 feet tall. It was modular.
The local game store had some armourcast. I had an Eldar temperst tank.
Talk about dedication.
Cool
I have a Reaver and two Warhounds from Armourcast. The Reaver was my treat to myself from my first paycheck ever from being employed.
Thats awesome! i was 11 when they shut down, just around the time i got started :D
Table Top Games and Hobbies, in Kansas City, has the original Armourcast model on display (for at least 25 years). I think it must be 2 or 3 times the size of the one you printed out.
Since the model is only 24 years old is be very surprised if its more than 25 🙈 it's a lot bigger yeah, in a bit jealous, still haven't seen it irl
This might be the best paint job I’ve seen you do yet. Very inspiring.
Epic scale warhammer should be a thing again imo. There's already a few people who've brought this up (Ebay Miniature Rescues is one) and I think it could make for an interesting shakeup of the establishment. Especially with whatever's happening with GW, not relying on their models would be a good thing for the community I feel.
ive always preferred epic.. original epic/space marine rules were really easy although i prefer the army building in epic 40k over the old card system
I chatted with Forge World at a Games Day one year and they told me they wouldn’t make a Gargant because they would want to design the inside, and it would cost the same as a small car.
They also told me one they'd never make a Tau Manta.
I can’t believe you name dropped one of my lgs lol. Last thing I expected to see cruising UA-cam today. I want to add that Warzone Matrix is a great store, a literal wizards library of collectibles and games. The owner is a nice dude with wild stories.
To this day, I still want an Armorcast Warhound.
It looks so goofy its cool.
@@DamplyDoo - Now im an adult with money, and i cant find a reasonably priced one to save my life lol
There's one in my store's display case.
There are definitely 3D printed ones out there that aren’t poorly priced
@@bambridgePPCLI - Im sure there are, but I want a real one.
I tracked one down a little over a decade ago and I'm glad I did it then.
"Never heard of"
Oh please. We've all watched Snipe and Wib's _Codex Compliant_ series. 😏
The owner of the FLGS when I first got into 40K had one of each of the Armorcast pieces, including the Gargant and the Eldar Phantom painted and displayed in his shop. I seem to recall him having another Gargant in the box for sale as well.
SO AWESOME! I also love the history portion of the vid. summarizing many hours of research!
Great to see a modern paint job on an old style model, really brings it up to date.
I had a armorcast catalog back in the days. Look at the price’s even back then was a great price, and includes weapon choices??? Sigh’… them were good days.
A good price by modern GW standards but these kits were pretty basic
If you're building a 2nd edition Ork army, take a Blood Axe mob! They let you loot any Imperial vehicle to add to your army.
need some rule reference for looted wagons.
I heard about this model from Snipe and Wib's video about armorcast and other American companies that made resin vehicles for 40k.
Looking at my epic Ork Gargants, this model would actually have to be scaled-up by about x2.5 (much bigger even than the ArmorCast original) to be correctly sized.
Aye, there's a reason Forgeworld has never tackled a Gargant. They're just too dark big and unlike Imperial or Eldar titans, most of the mass is in one solid brick of a chassis.
The original Epic Great Gargant is slightly taller than the Warlord Titan of the time so best to scale a 40k Great Gargant to be slightly taller than a FW 40k Warlord.
@@Agamemnon2 why would be need to be a solid resin chunk? Surely it wouldn't be hard to design it to be hollow(with whatever additional internal supports if needed), especially if the "skirt" around the legs was aloud to touch the ground and act as a huge domed support fir the rest of it.
I printed one for a gift and it's designed very well for a regular plastic 3d printer. The size is based off the size of the average pla 3d printer, which is roughly a 9 inch cube. If you want to make one the correct size you would need one of the largest printers on the market lol.
@@Agamemnon2 It would literally cost more than the Manta
Bugger me sideways but I think this could be best Warhammer content I've seen in a while. Love the 2nd look and feel. Bit of comedy in there with the grim dark!
Actually there's a whole backstory on these old resin kits from Snipe and Wib! Check them out, great video Squidmar!
I’m partial to some of the old boxy models. I love the stumpy dreadnoughts and the comical orks. Also that print quality is fantastic looks just as good as any FW for a fraction of the cost and headache.
Yeah, I can see Forge World taking a hit from 3D Printers as they become more popular.
I did not realise how rare the mega gargant was. Used to play against a friends one all the time with my reaver. I think he still have it in the garage
Did you ask him
I did and he does plus the elder titan
Hey, a Armourcast Great Gargant, haven’t seen one in a really long time. Such slabs of resin
Hmmm - maybe it is time sell my Armorcast Gargant. Ach! Who am I kidding? We'll never part. I just love her too much. But I am inspired to repaint. Thanks for the video Squidmar. I never knew they made only 313 of them.
That's awesome, of course you should keep it
How much do you think i could get for one? I have mine in the garage
@@sinner1434 I spoke to a dealer a couple years ago at LVO - he said 2-3 thousand. Not sure if I believe him.
@@sinner1434 I had some problems finding info... because they're never sold. Last one on ebay went for 200 bucks. But imho that's faaaar to low.
@@SquidmarMiniatures yeah I got this one in 2010 for not much more than that
That's awesome! My brother and I bought a lot of Armorcast back in the day. He bought Imperial, and I bought Eldar. We still have it all. Good times!
Awesome model. Paint job is fantastic. Really interesting to learn about these older models. Looking forward to the next video. Keep up the good work.
Those old Armourcast and Forge World Models (the pre-GW one) were so cool!
I STILL prefer the old school Warhound design over the new one but that's just me.
Hands down some of your best work.
Absolutely blown away my good sir.
Glad you enjoyed it!
HOLY CRAP ! i had that playbook and army when i was a kid, never understood much of it but loved painting it , nostalgia right there
Beautiful paint job! As a finishing touch, cut a goblin in half and have him appear as if he is partially inside the top hatch. It looked odd having the hatch space red and not matt black.
That is so cool! I got the 2nd ed box set when I was 9. and I miss the delightful wakiness of the 1st and 2nd edition orks. This was inspiring to watch, good work man!
I never had the coordination or the patience to get into this but these videos are amazing to watch
I've been meaning to get one of these printed for ages now, could be a good project for the winter to go with my Epicast stompa and rogue trader drednaughts. Great vid Emil!
Inb4 “I have heard of it” comments
I have heard of it
I have heard of it!
i have herd you have herd of it!
I have heard of it!
I have an old Armorcast Reaver and Warhound I picked up awhile ago and restored them. The Reaver took over two months to paint given I only was able to paint for two hours a night til it was done.
i like that little bird house on its chest!
(put a little tiny plastic bird in the opening!)
Love this!! The style fits so well. Such a great paint job on it too
10:18 "Dont want to go overboard"
huge brown splat is made
My local hobby shop has one of these, always thought it was a custom model they made themselves lol.
I like the Plastic Best.
Resin doesn't glue as well.
I have no idea how Pewter was ever glued in the first place
My local shop was one of these!!! Awesome to see some attention for it!
Amazing paint job. I wouldn't have been interested in it until I saw it painted. Wow
Wow that goofy model actually looks damn good with that snazzy paintjob you gave it.
this is the most amazing design ever for orks love it so much!!!
A rare ork, bet he was purple
Funny enough, I paint my Orks purple instead of green lol.
@@king_aeron invisible ork hack
@@antonic2993 Indeed, confuses even the Eldar.
@@king_aeron I tried that once to, never saw those bastards again.
@@king_aeron DIS MAKEZ A LOTZ OF SENSE
Lovely miniature and very fun paintjob! If anyone wants a more detailed look at the weird history of Armorcast and the other U.S-based casting companies of the 90s I would definitely recommend checking out the video on it by Snipe and Wib.
Yo Squid, music is killing it brother…. nice.
Edit: Okay forget the music - that paint job is ridiculously amazing. Jezzzzz. I’m wow’d.
Thanks mate :D
The interesting part is that this history of that model is way more complicated than that. Armorcast was just the last company to sell it, and I believe they were selling a recast of a much older model from, like, 4 companies before.
Weren't there 2 companies named ArmorCast as well? And a Forge World that wasn't GW? Wild times back then.
looks fricking epic! i used to love playing final liberation on the pc many moons ago and the ork stompas were so cool. this is top class work!!
Armorcast and Epicast were within driving distance for me back in those days, so I saw the Great Gargant in stores and at conventions pretty regularly. In fact, one of my early 40K outings was at the Epicast HQ (aka his house) where I played a 2nd ed. 40K battle on his ping-pong table... but the terrain was literally prop models salvaged from the Titanic movie that were roughly in-scale for 40K. The reason Armorcast's license wasn't renewed: they produced a Baneblade model that was SO good it made GW nervous. It was nearly as good as the plastic Baneblade you can buy today. That's the moment the relationship began to sour. GW decided to start their own resin division and declined to renew with Armorcast, Epicast and Forgeworld, which, iirc, was a 3rd licensee on the East Coast of the USA. The new GW resin division took up the Forgeworld name, but they weren't the first to use it in producing resin 40K models. The rest is history. I still see Tim at the local cons and he may be running a Titan battle, or a Battletech cityfight (he made 28mm scale Battlemechs) or a big Necromunda underhive scrum. He and Mike made a lot of great stuff and I'm glad I still have some of it in my collection... although I stupidly sold off my resin Warhound Titan years ago. D'oh! >.
Also: great job painting that gargant. You nailed it. ;-)
The coolest thing is that GW demanded Tim send the raw molds to them in England from Southern California or face a lawsuit. He proved that there was a market for Epic items in 40k. GW being GW, was greedy, didn't want him to just stop. They wanted the business and the product. As I heard it, Tim razor bladed the molds into small cubes and wrapped them in plastic so that when GW excitedly opened the molds they crumbled into pieces. I was a Last Grenadier in Northridge during my formative years. I wonder how Owen is.....
@@mtdav78071 Lol, I hadn't heard that. That's awesome. If I see Tim later this year, I'm definitely asking him if that's what happened. Too funny.
I would have increased the size x3 to get the true feeling of the Great Gargant to me it just looks like a Mekboy Gargant
I thought it was a stompa from the size
@@magicmanscott40k it's a little bigger but yeah you could use it as that but it's still a cool A.F. mini
thats scale creep, when this came out it was freakin huge
So bizarre to hear Emil talking about Warzone Matrix lol. That place is a few towns over from me, and it has quite the reputation! Such an awesome video showing how far the hobby has come.
You make it so satisfying, it almost makes me want to get back to it
Deeew it
Well that was fantastic to watch, always great to see someone with a real passion project in their hands.
I remember seeing those in white dwarf mags back in the day. I played epic orks and I always wanted one
Mike Biasi taught me how to paint, and might've helped me out, with an Armorcast Reaver, that I might've glued the legs onto backwards lol.
RIP Mike
Every time squidmar makes or gets another big model I'm just like... that backlog tho
But I've been so good lately with the backlog 😊😊😘
@@SquidmarMiniatures as someone with about 100 in my backlog, 2000 seems like a fun looming presence. But hey your brushes are helping me through my pile of shame.
@@matthewp5733 mine is the same size I think. Welp
@@nickkohlmann we shall finish our backlogs together Nick!
I love it!
I would LOVE to see you print some larger terrain kits like haggle thorn hollow on that mega 8k
There is a Armor cast great gargant at Tabletop Games in Overland park, Kansas as well. Armor cast also makes fiber optic under ground vaults now as well.
I’ve been wondering what this model is. A local game store has a beautifully painted Gargant on display as well. It’s called Tabletop Game and Hobby in Overland Park, Kansas for anyone curious
That thing is beautiful!! I'm not a huge fan of cartoony-looking Orks, but you have to acknowledge beauty when you see it!
I've been gaming long enough that I remember when this was new. I am fortunate enough that I now own one. A couple of months I went to a bit swap at a FLGS and a guy had one. He didn't sell anything that day and we traded a bunch of terrain for it. It's missing one foot, and some little bits and the back balcony, but I'm going to 3d print replacements for those bits. Still very cool to have such an iconic model.
One of these Armorcast Gargants is proudly on display at Gauntlet Games in Lincoln Nebraska. Didn't realise it was so rare!
That's awesome! Happy to see there's still a few around
It was the earlier artwork for the advertisements from armorcast that Drew me into the game. The very small game store had them all over the window front with displays of minis. I found it so intriguing I couldn't resist just from that artwork alone.
Interesting. Only 313 Great Gargant made. I didn’t know that. My friend bought 2 just before Armorcast lost their license, and I bought 3 Reavers. It definitely made for very interesting “apocalyptic” Orks vs Marines battles!
Beautiful work you guys did Great! Thanks for the Info. God Bless.
OMG! The model just. POPS! I totally love it. Great work, as per usual, and hi from a fellow Swede!
Any watchers of Snipe and Wib's Codex Compliant already knew of this lad!
this is true
Snipe and Wib fans unite!
Printing this now and just stumbled on this video. Awesome work....and I'm totally copying the colour scheme!
Man, that looks beautiful 🤩. Always amazed at the final product 😳😳😳
i have one in storage , i bought big into the armor cast , mostly the tyranids but that ork is HUGE cost me 900 back in the day armor cast rocks trying to find the tygone model the rarest of them all
That's awesome, congrats on having a relic
Fantastic work man, though it is a bit weedier than a true great gargant your work brings it right back up into the mega legues!! The art is magnificent!
I think tabletop game and hobby has one of those as well in overland park KS, his crew have been instructed that if there is a fire, he gets taken out
first.
Minor point but in epic the gargant is about the same size as the warlord Titan. It’s a bit smaller than if it would be full scale, but still impressive either way
Hi there, I own one of the 313 original armorcast models and as a collector never regreted to buy one of these, after all these years, I still love the look of that Great Gargant.
Congrats man, really tough to find
Absolutely glorious, I love it. Especially the little homely window - no reason not to get cozy just because you're out waging WAAAAGH!, after all.
This model is sick as always. Love Squidmar's style!
Boy this brings back memories from the early 90's. Still have my Armorcast Shadowsword next to my Squat army.
Well there was:
Mekboy Gargant
Slasher Gargant
Great Gargant
Mega Gargant
These were introduced in Epic, with the Mega Gargant getting introduced in Titan Legions. I may have been 12 in the early 90s, but I was there, and I remember. I still actually have the Ork and Squat Warlords supplement lol
I have a couple great gargants. I have the official Armorcast one as well as a custom built one. 2nd edition was some of the most fun I ever had with the game.
Great vid! Final result looks fantastic.
That Segway was smoother than a greased up cheetah on an oiled up water slide!
This is cool and the paint job is awesome - what’s the final size on it? My only thought is that it feels a bit small for a great gargant, but it may be that it’s perfectly in scale compared to the 2nd Ed Orks, and it’s just 25 years of scale creep that’s throwing me off
Yeah its a bit small for a great gargant, its more like a stompa in size the one i had printed :) original one is a lot taller
@@SquidmarMiniatures Actually, when I design it, I chose to get the same size of a stompa, the Gargant was very huge : challenge to paint, and it need some huge space to store it...
GORKAMORKA!!!! holy smokes that was a game. As kids we used to scratch build our own using upside down plastic bowls, high density foam and cereal box card cut up as metal plates bolted together.
I had an Epicast stompa back in the day, my friend had an Armorcast Eldar Phantom Titan.
There was a third plastic vehicle kit back then - the Ork Battlewagon which was in a big box that had all of the parts on a single sprue. The crew compartment was wide open and you could put around ten orks on their round 25 mm bases in it.
The plastic one came way later :)
Orktober 1990 was WAY later???
@squidmar Miniatures. Just purchased your brush set! Super excited to use them
Well done! Got to love those old Armorcast and Epicast models and their aesthetic. I find only the Khorne ones too goofy for me. Looking for the Ork Bowelburna. The pearl of my collection is that first Reaver titan from the the first Inquisitor magazine covers. Purchased from Mike Biasi in 2004 to be my big birthday present. Mike was super nice and included a signed certificate of authority - which was properly punched through by the Reaver's powerfist thumb during the shipping :D
For those interested in history and initial Armorcast production - Mike Biasi's letters reveal some info. First models were made from epoxy resin with urethane rubber molds and tedious manual resculpting. They then moved on to higher quality silicone molds and more detailed casts.
I tried to post here a link to the Mike's letters, but UA-cam does not allow me. No external links allowed? Blah!
Great to see these kits get highlighted! Tim is in my gaming circle, and is quite modest about his impact in the hobby space.
That's super cool, send a big thanks from me!
I actually got to play a demo game with the Gork/Mork stompers and an old titan way back in 2002, at a local game store.
The guy who ran the demo was from out of town, and the models where painted with poorly done enamel paints. I thought those models where just gathered together trash till this very video. I thought the whole thing was basically some big joke, and the store owner was just placating a crazy man.
Hahaha
Sounds like an Ork player to me
What's funny: The local Orc players refused to show up for it.
pretty sure Grognard Games in Illinois has one of these guys on display too. i had no idea it has this great story behind it!
this is great. i remember seeing this the first time around and wishing i could afford it.
I just bought a Slann army from the 80s, so I well know that desire for the character-full quirky miniatures
For careless wild orks they sure do follow code regarding caution lines.
I just printed this and im now painting it. I love it
Absolutely loving the paint job.
that's most adorable ork model i've ever seen
Firing on all cylinders. Your work is ace! On both that miniatures production and the video.