ArriveCAN app was a hot mess: auditor general report | About That
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- In a scathing new report, Canada's auditor general says the final cost of the ArriveCAN app is "impossible to determine" due to poor record-keeping by the Canada Border Services Agency. Andrew Chang breaks down the report's findings about this pandemic-era tool that is estimated to have cost Canadians nearly $60 million.
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In the REAL world, if you worked for a company and gave a contract to your personal buddy to deliver a product, but after 4 years and $60 Million was taken and nothing was actually worked on, you would find yourself fired or in jail for that kind of crime in the private sector. Why are we holding politicians to a different standard?
In the private sector an $80k project going that badly off the rails would've probably been cancelled at $50k.
Canadians seem to accept or expect incompetence and corruption from our government. The system needs to change.
Do not question Commrade Trudeau and the Liberal Rainbow Reich
Stop saying is 60 million, that amount is what they recorded, the report says they can't estimate how much it is cause it was not properly recorded so is 60 million +++
@@Atite_Lometen Or less. 60 million was their estimate, could be more or less. So no; you're wrong lol.
I have a feeling that more projects audited by the auditor general will have similar findings.
If there is no in house 'app' expertise then that would also make WeatherCAN app suspect too.
lol yes, canada has spent 30 Billion $$ on trans mountain pipeline that they have been constructing since 2018
@@sk45861At least it will bring in a boatload of money to Canada. P.S. It is near completion, providing no more regulations, hindering or challenges coming from the indigenous or local or federal governments, delaying the completion.
@@marlainerose3340 I will trust it when I see it.. problem with the federal government is they think throwing money on everything should solve it without proper plan, execution and accountability
The weather app is costing canadians billions, look it up all the people working at enviornment canada their payrolls, disgusting
Fraud, embezzlement and many other criminal charges should be laid on everyone involved in these chaos.
I agree. This is the standard used in the private corporate sector. You try giving corporate's money as an employee to one of your buddies and they basically take $60 Million and the company finds out no one worked on anything, the product doesn't work and overpriced to the point of embezzling. Yeah you would be fired and looking at a court date for all sorts of crimes.
It comes from the top and Trudeaus view on ethics and favour sharing. Grew up rich and thinks business is about giving money to people you want gifts from.
Common practice here is if the government is paying charge a price you think is unbelievable and they'll probably accept it, I knew two guys who were freelance coders who designed and programmed debit machines it took them a week to complete the prototype that was accepted for the city buses and $2000 parts for all buses in the province. The province paid them $250k I'd assume it took another week to duplicate all the remaining so that's 80hrs $250k nobody put in a lower bid because it's the government. That's $3000/Hr
That's the beauty of this. There is no one accountable for any of these.
But won't be
My wife and I were fined $15k for not using this app. We attended 4 court hearings remotely from Florida.
In each hearing the judges complained about ArriveCan charges taking up all the courts time.
It would be aggravated assault, uttering threats, robbery, larceny, assault with a weapon and then
ArriveCan
ArriveCan
ArriveCan
ArriveCan
ArriveCan
ArriveCan
ArriveCan
ArriveCan
ArriveCan
After months of this they just dropped everyone’s charges just as we knew they would as you can’t fine a Canadian citizen for coming home to Canada.
Yet, no one will be fired or go to jail. Becoming a politician in canada is like legal theft.
It's kinda obvious when you see their networth vs salarys
Government awards millions in contracts to friends with no gates to ensure money is well spent.
I still can't believe Doug Ford did that for his developer buddies.
@@MultiZoedog apparently invite them to dinner, offer them a job in future, and probably a suitcase of cash.
Who ever said crime doesn’t pay, didn’t know the Canadian liberal party. It pays VERY well as we see.
The Conservatives will ruin this nation then as they are inherently reliant on contracts and private firms as they like small government.
@@CardiologyGuy except that was the government getting paid by the developers. Maybe you didn't like the pricing, but it was above board and the end result would be more housing and more tax dollars. The Ontario government isn't in the real estate speculation business.
This is the government giving away tens of millions of dollars.
Do you see the difference?
Charges should be laid for such gross negligence in cases where the government abuses tax payer dollars. Its not okay to spend our money like that. There is a responsibility to the nation that was not discharged. Not only should there be charges but there should be processes in place that improves the government's efficiency. We should be improving over time, not slowly becoming a worse bureaucratic mess.
And assets should be seized to the tune of 60 million plus damages on behalf of Canadian taxpayers.
Can we organize a lawsuit on behalf of the citizens?
I'm sick to my stomach. We work hard to pay our taxes, and the Libs just waste it.
Not to mention the app was trash! I never got it working on my phone and customer support was non-existent!
What else did anyone expect? Our finance minister is a journalist, and our PM, by his own admission can't add 13+14 in his head.
And then there's the climate minister 🤮
What was the auditor general's finding on WE charity? Oh wait, that was blocked....people should be screaming about that being revisited.
When does incompetence become criminal? Need to charge some of these senior "civil servants," otherwise everyone and their mother will continue to shower their friends with million-dollar sole source contracts. What a despicable, absolutely contemptible situation
Because the Tories passed laws well back that made it so the government is inherently reliant on contractors.
Conservative economics are reliant on the government giving out contracts to firms to do the governments work, if the Liberals did this in house then they would be accused of “big state” or inflating the governments roles/control.
Who was paid to shred the documents and delete the emails because we know it wasn't Justin down there doing it in the basement...
Someone was told to delete as they go* Try to leave no trace. But that just PROVES how corrupt they truly are.
The RCMP Should already be arresting this pos for corruption. They are just as corrupt though and will defend their pos leader to the bitter end
I don’t even know if I can watch this, can’t even express how angry this makes me. At least we are getting some info, accountability, repercussions, consequences, transparency.
I haven’t seen accountability, repercussions or consequences yet
He'll just give you a political non-answer. He's never taken accountability for ANYTHING. He's a perfect human being that never makes mistakes!
I think you will be just receiving info and nothing more.
I was a victim of hotel quarantine and paid for three days of forced confinement out of my pocket . Despise the whole Liberal govt .
Nah, this is going to stop at 'some info'. We been down this road before.
More wonderful government oversight with nobody held responsible
they said there was no corruption in Canada
Who said that?
@@cuassyevery MSM news outlet
@@adamzioriophotography this reporting is literally a MSM news outlet.
😂
@@bulwarkjm2 At the time this news outlet also lied.
I'm just curious why this investigation started 4 years ago after $60m spent. Doesn't anyone check gov. money transfers annually at least?
Exactly. Nobody monitoring the actual spending vs expected spending to date? Does it really cost this much to develop an app? There are so many developers in Apple App Store I wonder any app there would cost that much… so where did the tax payers money go? O…m…g… then we keep paying more taxes to cover these unnecessary costs? I wish I were one of the contractors
This needs to change. There needs to be an app that Canadians can see everything the government is spending. They cannot be trusted.
They used to but the Liberals don't anwser any questions during any of the hearings. Go watch them in action when asked basic questions like "What is the total tax payers will pay for this program? Please just the number." you will get a 5 minute word salad that will NOT answer the question.
The PCs were screaming about it, but the NDP and Libs voted down any oversight and on top of that Trudeau claimed the libs didn’t have to share info as it was a national security issue.
How much is government spending on investigation, when its all said and done the investigation would have costed more than the app, create scandals then investigate the scandals keeps everyone employed including the AG, fire them all and self govern
Sue all of these people involved. This is breach of contract 101. Let's get our money back
I doubt very much they are still in the country
Where was the breach of contract? Are you even a lawyer or just playing one on the internet?
As a 22+ year government procurement professional, the issues outlined here are illegal and unethical.
All these companies tryna juice the government for easy free money lol
Clearly they succeeded...
Not the companies.. it's liberal party that is collecting funds for next election.
Have to have Liberal friends to fleece the government
Can’t blame them tho…
Obviously the responsibility is on the liberal government for allowing it to happen
Look at you, CBC - trying to be truthful? Too late!
? The report just came out bro
Yeah well the commission has been ongoing for a while and Lib n NDP shut it down multiple time so! Nothing surprising here
a step in the right direction 😉
@@erickpalacios8904😂😂😂😂😂 you just hearing of this now? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@erickpalacios8904I think he means too late when it comes to doing honest reporting on Covid in general.
Initially, I clicked because I’m a software developer and I wanted to see what kind of organizational and technical obstacles they faced in developing this app, but im about 6 minutes in, and its clear the everyone involved was just gorging themselves at the money trough, so of course the product was a piece of crap.
How could $80,000.00 balloon to 60 million??
I work in an agency, we build enterprise website, and the most expensive we build so far is worth 200K. I cannot imagine an app can cost 59 million.
A small sample of the previous eight years. Why am I not surprised.
Looks like some Bank accounts need freezing. Now!
This is just one app. You could imagine if all or half of other project were ran this poorly. Billions wasted. Stole from the public.
Who is gonna take the fall for Trudeau ?
This was just one aspect of our Covid response. We need a full audit of our whole Covid response and especially the media’s role.
We need a full audit of their rights to continue to walk free
Let's now look into immigration and the disaster that has become
Multiple public sector unions have complained about the rampant use of contractors. This crap is happening every day, all over the place.
Ya they all just put the highest price on the bid maybe $3000/Hr and it's often accepted, I met two freelancers creating debit machines who made $3000/Hr creating our city bus debt machines. 80hrs work $2000 materials $250,000 price.
Is this news to CBC? They needed the auditor general report to finally report on what's been obvious to anyone following along with the commitee meetings?
Let this be a lesson to Justin. Keep the theft below $60M per instance and you will continue to fly under the radar.
How did this story make it on air? Who slipped up? Conservative mole in cbc?
I'm glad the CBC actually put out some honest reporting for once
😅😂@@codechartreuse
The contractor just copy and pasted. They knew they would get the contract no matter what.
This cut and paste of the requirements into the proposal is a standard play that many comtractors use when bidding on gov contracts. By spitting back the exact requirements requested word for word they hope to avoid any argument that they did not meet them, its pathetic and happens all the time. This is how your taxes are spent and this arrivecan thing is the tip of the iceberg...
I remember driving back from Pittsburgh in 2022 and had to line up at the border for hours because the app didn't even work lol
I remember learning the Harper era passports would begin to include RFID tags that could be pinged from anywhere for national security purposes but if you lost it or it was stolen, oh well, ruin your vacation. National security is for the spy network to create enemies through.
That's when I chose not to renew my passport.
I want a refund from Trudeau for three days of hotel quarantine confinement in 2022.
We had to use an app in Alberta to go into restaurants, and my android phone couldn't display the QR properly when scanned with an iPhone so I was technically in violation despite having my double clot shot
Don't look in the mirror CBC...just don't look in the mirror...
Imagine paying 60M for a typeform survey...
“A circus of train wrecks”. That’s a good description of the Liberal/NDP government as a whole 😂
I give almost half of my yearly income to the government and THIS is how it’s spend? Just gross negligence incompetence, and criminality should be punished.
Don't worry everybody! Trudeau's playbook already had this covered! He's going to hike taxes and make all of us pay for his Government's mistakes!
On behalf of J. Trudeau: You're welcome!
even the propaganda machine turns
Can we fine the minister, the staff and the consulting firm? Let's put monthly 1% interest rate. Well, they can send mails or requests to taxpayers for clarification. We can wait 4-12 months to have our first responses.
Karen Hogan, you are a hero 🫡
Weird how you guys have suddenly discovered what average canadians have been pointing out for years while you called us fringe conspiracy theorists. Welcome to reality captain obvious.
Nobody will be held accountable.. if anything resignation with full pension?
The problem with government is that it's not their money and any money they need they can print. It makes for a culture of willful theft and why not? No ones going to jail. Most of that money is gone. Even the government responsible has at least another 18 months to steal more. The one person who can put this all to rest, Jagmeet Singh, sees too much indirect personal value to stop the gong show.
Oh for the love of God.
Bottom feeder.
@@Dam-a-fence Exactly. .and we know who is kneeling in front of Jags
@@frank5d289
Word #2 is "problem".
From that one fact, in an image, which says a thousand words, I can infer with 99% certainty that you seek to create conflict which is not readily present.
Same as the federal payroll system that never worked. Corruption is the root cause here. We are just naive and only think corruption is a 3rd world thing.
Muzzled Mess
Due regard for value for money? Dude. The financial records are non-existent for a reason.
Never tested, Never jabbed, Never will be.
As a individual who be targeted by ArriveCan twice, I assure you it was obvious that it was a scam and waste
Just own up and get to the bottom of it and there should be repercussions aaand was there fraud involved. There should be a criminal investigation. You can’t just say “we don’t know because there is no paperwork “ someone is scamming and there needs to be justice for the Canadian people.
Ahem.
"principals that recognize the supremacy of God" includes those that rebel against said supremacy.
The worship of the self is required for a Satanist, who are allowed in Canada.
What there needs to be is less Machiavelli.
Im surprised CBC is reporting this honestly.
Justin Trudeau must go to Jail
Thank you Auditor General for exposing the Liberal goverment's corruption!!
It was a fair procurement process just like We Charity?
Only crew on CBC that actually earn their money. When CBC goes under, I'm sure you'll be able to go independent or join other new networks.
Or,they could learn to code or coal mine, you know,some of actual social value.
They're getting gov't handouts and STILL running a deficit. The CBC could NEVER go independent! hahahaha
In a true democratic nation of law and order, this would at the very least result in job loss, if not criminal investigations.
And yet, politicians are once again devoid of responsibility in Canada.
Pathetic.
Corruption : CBC: "a hot mess"
Trudeau smirks as he speaks. Like he's thinking "Yup, I got this, they're falling for my charms . . . "
Politicians getting away once again. Never someone ha being to pay back and spend time behind bars. If it was me.. bye bye
there should heavy fines and someone should go to Jail.
Well, technically it wasn't a trainwreck for everyone who got paid. Probably took all the Convoy donations as a bonus.
Most programmers would be embarrassed to make such an app.
Big respect for the Auditor General for doing honest work and exposing the truth.
Oh come on Andrew you and your friends cheerlead this !!
It cost less than 80 grand a high school student could have designed it
All the focus is on the wasted money while there's crickets about how the government used this app to empower CBSA to interfer with Canadians' Charter rights of mobility.
Immigrants, illegals, foreign students and temporary foreign workers entered the country unimpeded while Canadian citizens that were not tech savvy experienced intentional roadblocks.
This app was "never" about streamlining re-entry to Canada or convenience for travellers.
I heard the people who have the app, their info has gone to the WEF and the WHO.
@@heatherjones9773 Probably right as Canada is one of two signatories to the "Known Travellor digital Initiative" proposed by the WEF. the other being the Netherlands.
ArriveCan was probably envisioned as a step in that direction.
Better make all those companies that ate the public money pay for it
The chances of graft and corruption being involved in this case is pretty high. The odds of incompetence and inefficiency is also high as it is government bloated bureaucracy. The saddest part is the odds this is political theatre that will have no accountability is almost 100%.
WE charity, SNC, arriveCAN...etc. i can go on forever. How does Canada look down on other countries for being 'corrupt'??
It tells me that nothing much has changed since the time I did IT contract work for the federal government some 35 years ago. Will it ever change and improve? I doubt it.
Truedope is above the law in Canada! Nothing can happen to him!!
Oh boy some people were partying on tax dollars while we were being told to randomly send samples or face fines. Yikes.
I’m shocked that CBC would touch this story
Real news thanks
Why don't call it by its name. It's corruption. They paid exponentially more for an app that never worked properly and hired a company that is not a software development company to design it
This is the NDP's fault as much as the Libs!!
Sleepy Joe would have got his 10%.
I can’t imagine his Canadian friends work much differently
Soooo, let's see. A software project is developed with little oversight, unclear goals, poor organization, chaotic financial control, and finally doesn't work. Yep. That's industry standard for software development.
Oh it’s a government contact too? We making bank here fr fr 😭😭
Is it just the arrivecan app or is it across the govt? We need our tax dollars back.
Thanks Andrew! Love About That
I criticize CBC a lot for their bias reporting but I have to admit this reporter did a good job with just the facts.
specific individuals and ministers who orchestrated this farud need to start getting named and held accountable
I'm amazed that CBC is reporting on this storey.
Apparently the AG is lying, and the project actually cost 10x as much so closer to 1B dollars. Insult to injury we are paying govt to investigate their own wrong doings. The govt should be abolished asap and self governance amongst denizens should be established to prevent this type of nonsense.
We don't have any government employees that can design an app? That's disturbing.
Bro I can make the same app for half the price but ofc I gotta be friends with them 💀
They are too busy pocketing our money for doing very little.
This is disgusting..
"Not due regard to value for money" in other words complete disrespect for taxpayers' money.
Developed country! How are they able to claim to be developed country is appalling when they are worst than 3rd world countries
It is just the beginning... please go deep to linknthe relationship of these contractors with the government and let's who is the responsible....
Our greatest PM said that everything was under control and well managed!
Again... nothing working...
Well I guess this helps explain how the next PM will be able to cut costs without cutting needed services.
Lower my taxes now,this is beyond words,just a circus and nobody does nothing.PISSED OFF CANADIAN CITIZEN.
I demand justice
Nice. CBC use to have their comments turned off.
Good to have dialogue.
Per diem rates of more the $1k/d are not unusual for senior IT contractors. If a cost rate for a senior project manager is $125/d, that's $1k/d. These are typical cost rates for contractors in public and private sector.
82% of invoices did have sufficient supporting documentation, so that's actually not too bad, but tracking of project costs should have been achievable.
12M of that went to Microsoft and Amazon for services like database, network storage, etc.
Seems like there should be a lot more documentation on the selection process for GC Strategies. People in procurement who broke laws should be held accountable with charges and jail.
Canada is a rule of law country, as per PM Trudeau. Therefore there can not be any corruption or criminal negligence in the Canadian government.
If at all anyone should be blamed, it has to be Indian government.
If heads don't start rolling, the Liberals can kiss their seats good bye next electio. This makes me sick.
😂such an indicator of the entire NDPLIB Social Disease Party operation, you’ll find everything they touch or do is a costly joke on the taxpayer.
Public should come together and file a case against the govt for the misuse of tax fund! Its publics money they are messing with and this is so wrong. If we don't fight for our tax then who will.