I was taught 'Just because one can doesn't mean one should?' Directness is like a sharp knife that can cut both ways. Showing restraint can be a beneficial social skill as I am pretty sure when a Dutch person is on the receiving end of directness, it is not always well received.
Probably treu? But it is a cultural thing here.. The class system in the Netherlands is way diffrent than England for example. People here probably would think you are stabbing them in the back? There are enough elite places where you can go? (you'd have to pay for that). But on average? The service is pretty poor. I have seen that, been to other country's. You could tip them in front? Like; would you give my table some extra attention?🤷♂ But that couldbe a conflict in law? So, under the counter/ not in direct sight. Nobody has to know. Whe don't have a tip system here.
I'm British and my partner is Dutch and we're forever running into cultural differences that stem from politeness. In Britain I think we phrase things in ways that are - to our fellow Brits - open and considerate that to the Dutch seem over-embellished and wishy-washy. I'm a big fan to Dutch directness myself but even I find myself sometimes feeling affronted by something she says which cuts in ways I know she didn't intend. It was interesting to hear this perspective from the Dutch! Of course these interviewees were unlikely to consider themselves impolite people but notable by it's absence was an interviewee saying something about considering the feelings of the people they're talking to.
On the other hand I find it noteworthy that the Brits will take the piss or tease without inhibition but then if (as a Dutch person ) you say something direct in convo, they get a bit shocked. When it wasn’t meant to be cutting. I guess to the Dutch too much embellishing can also seem rude or distancing and unfriendly, while directness for the British also unfriendly in turn .
Toch vind ik dat NL’ers en Britten het goed met elkaar kunnen vinden in het algemeen als ze Van beide kanten nuchter zijn, beide volken waarderen meestal no nonsense en ook goed humor.
Ik was erg onder de indruk van het feit dat mensen in Nederland, in Middelburg, niet naar me lachten of me bedankten toen ik ze de weg gaf. Dit overkomt mij ook in Engeland, maar alleen in Londen, in de kleinere steden bedanken ze altijd.
Didn't belive that me as a german without any knowledge of dutch could understand some things even though some words are hard to get. Our languages really have a lot of similarities...
Our languages are indeed really simmilair! Sometimes german to me looks like a different spelled version of dutch! But then there are words that are completely different ofcourse!
I think it's a strange mix in NL for an english person, I find Dutch people both very respectful and very blunt, of course the directness is considered a virtue in NL, some other countries prize peoples ability to make their points in as vague a way as possible (Ireland for example)
It is interesting that everyone considers himself a very polite person, but for me, politeness is not only about "thanks" and "hello'" but also how you talk about other people. For example, saying about all Americans that they are faking politeness sounds a bit rude to me. But this shows the culture very well (I mean its directness)!:)
I think it's a matter of perspective. There's a certain cultural setup in less direct cultures like the US, especially in places like the South, where people act nice in front of you, but if they don't like you they talk crap about you behind your back. There's a certain cultural setup in direct cultures like the Netherlands, where you know how people stand - if they like you, you'll know; if they don't like you, you'll know that as well. They'll tell you. People tend to prefer the setup in the culture they grew up in, and think their setup is "more polite" than the other one. There's a question of, would you rather be gossiped about behind your back, or be told up front that something you did is terrible? Not everyone will choose the same option. A Dutch person might find it strange that a gossip-filled culture could be considered "polite".
Beleefd zijn? Korte vraag met een lang antwoord. (Alweer). Het gaat vooral om ervaring, (beleven) hoe je je naderen behandeld. Maar ook hoe je een vreemde benadert, zelfs nog laat merken dat er onderling verstand is. En daarna komen we op fatsoen.
Maar ontbijt, lunch, diner en andere vormen van avondeten zijn ook typische activiteiten die je aan tafel verricht. Ieder een vorm van eten en als je eet stop je voedsel in je mond om evt. te kauwen en daarna door te slikken. Met voedsel in je mond kun je echter beter niet praten want dan ga je voedsel uitspugen, dat is onhygiënisch en/of voedselverspilling, en het belemmert ook het goed vormen van de klanken van de woorden die je wilt uitspreken, dus word je minder goed verstaan. En je publiek aan tafel is allicht ook aan het eten en heeft daardoor minder aandacht voor je uitspraken. Het is dus niet zo vreemd dat praten met voedsel in je mond als een soort van verkeerd gedrag wordt gezien.
Spot on about the fakeness in the US. With my Dutch friends and family I always know where I stand, with people from the US you never know if they're speaking negatively about you as soon as you turn around. If someone is angry in the Netherlands they express it and move on, but in the US people actually break off friendships or ghost you!
This is a typically idealized portrayal of blunt cultures as opposed to ones where more value is placed on friendliness and politeness. I would bet Dutch culture has more than its fair share of ghosting and speaking about others behind their back.
0:58 Een hand geven als je elkaar ontmoet. Een boks geven is veel gewoner dan een hand geven sinds de coronacrisis/anderhalvemetersamenleving, denk ik. Of toch niet? In het Engels is dat *shaking hands* , trouwens. "Giving a hand" heeft een heel andere betekenis: (iemand) een handje *helpen* of een (groot) *applaus* geven. Tricky.
Mensen geven meestal nog steeds een hand, aldus mijn ervaring. :) Er zijn inderdaad andere mensen die een boks geven, maar het zou kunnen dat zij het altijd zo gedaan hebben.
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In NL at a meal table, as soon as a person gets his food starts eating without waiting for everybody getting their own plate.. that is considered rude almost everywhere in the world; a Dutch friend told me that it's like this so the meal doesn't get cold.. to me it's selfishness and childishness in disguise, like "directness", as an adult in a society behaviour in public should have a limit t show respect to the other people.
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NB. Maastricht is in the extreme South of the Netherlands (province of Limburg), and the norms for polite behavior are decidely different over there. People from Limburg are definitively more "central European" in their demeanor, less direct, and less assertive and more courteous.
What is it with the sunglasses?! Is it really so non polite?! I do need glasses all the way, I have -5 diopters. When it is sunny outside, and i entering i.e. a shop, i usually do not have my normal glasses with me. When I would take the sunglasses off then, you would see me walking „blind“ through the shop, maybe do not recognizing other one‘s carts and so on, with my nose 20cm away from the shelf for reading the price tag.
Its more polite when you're talking to someone, you can looking that person in his eyes. It's polite to excuse (explain) yourself if you're keeping your sunglasses on. No problem at all. I'm Dutch and I understand your problem. Sometimes I have the same situation.
Dutch are only polite to people they know, otherwise they could care less about being polite to anybody else. Dutch need to work on hospitality more than anything. Way too much of an individualist culture and people.
I often heard the comment by foreigners in Amsterdam that the Dutch are so nice and helpfull (!), but the complaint that they have is that the Dutch are very hard to make friends with. So the Dutch are nice and friendly and helpfull, but distant...
Hard gelachen dat Ger gort Ger Ger leggen en die gaat Gert Gert Gert Gert begaan die Michael ik wilde geen brood geen meter leeggeroofde Ger kent hoor dat geld geld geld geld geld geld geld geld nog een grappig hè grappig hè en Maastricht
I felt very well received as a visitor to the Netherlands. I was polite and the people I spoke to were polite in return.
Ik houd van de nederlands taal! ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
I was taught 'Just because one can doesn't mean one should?' Directness is like a sharp knife that can cut both ways. Showing restraint can be a beneficial social skill as I am pretty sure when a Dutch person is on the receiving end of directness, it is not always well received.
This is a concept that seems to elude a lot of people in more blunt cultures.
Probably treu? But it is a cultural thing here.. The class system in the Netherlands is way diffrent than England for example. People here probably would think you are stabbing them in the back? There are enough elite places where you can go? (you'd have to pay for that). But on average? The service is pretty poor. I have seen that, been to other country's. You could tip them in front? Like; would you give my table some extra attention?🤷♂ But that couldbe a conflict in law? So, under the counter/ not in direct sight. Nobody has to know. Whe don't have a tip system here.
@@boerde6202 irrelevante politieke onzin
dankzij de dame in de roze kleren leer ik vandaag het woord 'onuitstaanbaar'
Jeroen and his accent are 🔥 good to see him back!
I'm British and my partner is Dutch and we're forever running into cultural differences that stem from politeness. In Britain I think we phrase things in ways that are - to our fellow Brits - open and considerate that to the Dutch seem over-embellished and wishy-washy. I'm a big fan to Dutch directness myself but even I find myself sometimes feeling affronted by something she says which cuts in ways I know she didn't intend. It was interesting to hear this perspective from the Dutch! Of course these interviewees were unlikely to consider themselves impolite people but notable by it's absence was an interviewee saying something about considering the feelings of the people they're talking to.
On the other hand I find it noteworthy that the Brits will take the piss or tease without inhibition but then if (as a Dutch person ) you say something direct in convo, they get a bit shocked. When it wasn’t meant to be cutting. I guess to the Dutch too much embellishing can also seem rude or distancing and unfriendly, while directness for the British also unfriendly in turn .
Toch vind ik dat NL’ers en Britten het goed met elkaar kunnen vinden in het algemeen als ze Van beide kanten nuchter zijn, beide volken waarderen meestal no nonsense en ook goed humor.
Support Feyenoord rest will come afterwards
Mooiste*
@@kalebind1 No.
Ik was erg onder de indruk van het feit dat mensen in Nederland, in Middelburg, niet naar me lachten of me bedankten toen ik ze de weg gaf. Dit overkomt mij ook in Engeland, maar alleen in Londen, in de kleinere steden bedanken ze altijd.
Didn't belive that me as a german without any knowledge of dutch could understand some things even though some words are hard to get. Our languages really have a lot of similarities...
Warum schreiben Sie auf Englisch?
@@johanvandermeulen9696 Whyever not? These videos are internationally orientated for those learning the language.
@@htimsid Ach so.
Our languages are indeed really simmilair! Sometimes german to me looks like a different spelled version of dutch! But then there are words that are completely different ofcourse!
Bedankt voor het video, dat is heel lekker! Ik hebb juist dies week begonnen, de nederlands taal te leren.
I think it's a strange mix in NL for an english person, I find Dutch people both very respectful and very blunt, of course the directness is considered a virtue in NL, some other countries prize peoples ability to make their points in as vague a way as possible (Ireland for example)
right, instead in England they are sooo crystal clear ahahah!
It is interesting that everyone considers himself a very polite person, but for me, politeness is not only about "thanks" and "hello'" but also how you talk about other people. For example, saying about all Americans that they are faking politeness sounds a bit rude to me. But this shows the culture very well (I mean its directness)!:)
Yep. This is a typical attitude of people brought up in very blunt cultures. They tend to view even reasonable levels of politeness as "fake."
I think it's a matter of perspective.
There's a certain cultural setup in less direct cultures like the US, especially in places like the South, where people act nice in front of you, but if they don't like you they talk crap about you behind your back.
There's a certain cultural setup in direct cultures like the Netherlands, where you know how people stand - if they like you, you'll know; if they don't like you, you'll know that as well. They'll tell you.
People tend to prefer the setup in the culture they grew up in, and think their setup is "more polite" than the other one. There's a question of, would you rather be gossiped about behind your back, or be told up front that something you did is terrible? Not everyone will choose the same option. A Dutch person might find it strange that a gossip-filled culture could be considered "polite".
Thanks for the great video!!!
Maastricht is echt mooi. Ik ben een paar keer geweest.
Ja, ik vind het ook zo'n mooie stad!
Heb jij een favoriete plek in Maastricht? 😀
-Jeroen
Beleefd zijn? Korte vraag met een lang antwoord. (Alweer). Het gaat vooral om ervaring, (beleven) hoe je je naderen behandeld. Maar ook hoe je een vreemde benadert, zelfs nog laat merken dat er onderling verstand is. En daarna komen we op fatsoen.
Super mooi!
zo en interessant filmpje!
Dank u wel 🎉❤❤❤
Graag gedaan, dank u wel, ik wel het, dat is heel prachtig! ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Stil zijn aan tafel? Dat is toch juist het moment dat je de dag kan bespreken en een moment hebt met heel het gezin samen?
Maar ontbijt, lunch, diner en andere vormen van avondeten zijn ook typische activiteiten die je aan tafel verricht. Ieder een vorm van eten en als je eet stop je voedsel in je mond om evt. te kauwen en daarna door te slikken. Met voedsel in je mond kun je echter beter niet praten want dan ga je voedsel uitspugen, dat is onhygiënisch en/of voedselverspilling, en het belemmert ook het goed vormen van de klanken van de woorden die je wilt uitspreken, dus word je minder goed verstaan. En je publiek aan tafel is allicht ook aan het eten en heeft daardoor minder aandacht voor je uitspraken. Het is dus niet zo vreemd dat praten met voedsel in je mond als een soort van verkeerd gedrag wordt gezien.
IK be nederlands leren!, laten we nederlands spreken!, laten we nederlands praten! ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Als een Nederlander wens ik u veel geluk met het leren van onze taal!
(As a dutch person i wish you the best of luck with learning our language!)
@@sid86588 dank u wel mijn vriend!, Graag Gedaan!
Dag! ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
@@welcometothejunglejumanji geen probleem! :)
@@sid86588 Het Waas aangename! ♥️♥️♥️
Could someone describe the "Dutch Chivalry" around here?
Spot on about the fakeness in the US. With my Dutch friends and family I always know where I stand, with people from the US you never know if they're speaking negatively about you as soon as you turn around. If someone is angry in the Netherlands they express it and move on, but in the US people actually break off friendships or ghost you!
This is a typically idealized portrayal of blunt cultures as opposed to ones where more value is placed on friendliness and politeness. I would bet Dutch culture has more than its fair share of ghosting and speaking about others behind their back.
You cannot generalize like that. In the US I almost always met nice people.
0:58 Een hand geven als je elkaar ontmoet.
Een boks geven is veel gewoner dan een hand geven sinds de coronacrisis/anderhalvemetersamenleving, denk ik. Of toch niet?
In het Engels is dat *shaking hands* , trouwens. "Giving a hand" heeft een heel andere betekenis: (iemand) een handje *helpen* of een (groot) *applaus* geven. Tricky.
Mensen geven meestal nog steeds een hand, aldus mijn ervaring. :) Er zijn inderdaad andere mensen die een boks geven, maar het zou kunnen dat zij het altijd zo gedaan hebben.
Hoe gaat het met jou
Als ik lid word, wat kan ik allemaal doen op de discord server met een basislidmaatschap?
Je hebt dan toegang tot al de verschillende kanalen waar we met elkaar over allerlei onderwerpen spreken, dus je hebt toegang tot de volledige Discord-ervaring. Het enige wat voor leden van het conversatielidmaatschap is gereserveerd, zijn de wekelijkse Zoom-calls. :)
Top. Dank je wel voor je snelle antwoord.
Waar komt Jeroen uit? Zijn "g" klinkt zo zacht :)
Uit Brabant. 😊
Waar komt Jeroen vandaan* :)
@@fakhrik dank je wel :) my bad!
@@denlillaormen geen dank, hoor, blijf vooral je best doen 😊
In NL at a meal table, as soon as a person gets his food starts eating without waiting for everybody getting their own plate.. that is considered rude almost everywhere in the world; a Dutch friend told me that it's like this so the meal doesn't get cold.. to me it's selfishness and childishness in disguise, like "directness", as an adult in a society behaviour in public should have a limit t show respect to the other people.
❤
I don't see a link for the discord server in the the description
If you become a member of Easy Dutch, you get directly access to our Discord server. :) The link to become a member is: easydutch.org/membership
As a native speaker I would love to chat to learners and help them. The servers of the Easy German team are free to acces why isn't yours?
@@PetraStaal Hi Petra! Thank you for your message. The Discord access on Easy German is not free, it's a perk that every member of the Easy German membership gets, but it's not free. The access to the Easy Dutch Discord is also a perk that every member of the Easy Dutch membership can get. If you want to know why: well, as every project, our projects need financial support too, otherwise we cannot continue making these videos. Besides that, our prices are not expensive: you can get access to the Discord from €5 per month, so if you would like to chat with our members, you could just think about becoming a member too! 😊 Here the link: easydutch.org/membership
@@EasyDutchOops you are right. The discord of Easy German isn't for free. I forgot that I am a paying member via the Seedlang app. My apologies!
@@PetraStaal No problem! Feel free to join us on the Easy Dutch Discord too though, it would be a pleasure to have other native speakers there! 😊
1:38 r/suspiciouslyspecific
NB. Maastricht is in the extreme South of the Netherlands (province of Limburg), and the norms for polite behavior are decidely different over there. People from Limburg are definitively more "central European" in their demeanor, less direct, and less assertive and more courteous.
en dan dank je, "godsamme, ga eens wat doen"
I dont know alot about Netherland , just know AJAX😂😂
🍀🌸🍀🌸🍀🌸🤣🌸
Mooi video bedankt 🙏
What is it with the sunglasses?! Is it really so non polite?! I do need glasses all the way, I have -5 diopters. When it is sunny outside, and i entering i.e. a shop, i usually do not have my normal glasses with me. When I would take the sunglasses off then, you would see me walking „blind“ through the shop, maybe do not recognizing other one‘s carts and so on, with my nose 20cm away from the shelf for reading the price tag.
I am sure that no one would be bothered from your sunglasses if they understand that you need them. 😊
Its more polite when you're talking to someone, you can looking that person in his eyes. It's polite to excuse (explain) yourself if you're keeping your sunglasses on. No problem at all. I'm Dutch and I understand your problem. Sometimes I have the same situation.
Ik vind het haar op je borst mooi en erg sexy , so sorry but I like it 😅😅😍😍.
Dankuwel voor deze aflevering .
Dutch are only polite to people they know, otherwise they could care less about being polite to anybody else. Dutch need to work on hospitality more than anything. Way too much of an individualist culture and people.
I'd say that really depends on what part of the country you're in, but I'm biased of course
Spot on
I find em often cold as well.
You can 't speak for all the Dutch people! I'm Dutch and I'm also polite to people that I even don't know.
I often heard the comment by foreigners in Amsterdam that the Dutch are so nice and helpfull (!), but the complaint that they have is that the Dutch are very hard to make friends with. So the Dutch are nice and friendly and helpfull, but distant...
Hard gelachen dat Ger gort Ger Ger leggen en die gaat Gert Gert Gert Gert begaan die Michael ik wilde geen brood geen meter leeggeroofde Ger kent hoor dat geld geld geld geld geld geld geld geld nog een grappig hè grappig hè en Maastricht
Do you speak English?
Nein
Dat is helemaal niet netjes