What does a 54k neodymium humbucker sound like?
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- Опубліковано 23 січ 2019
- We now offer a production model 54k humbucker! www.alegree.co.uk/collections...
What happens when we wind pickups to ridiculous levels and install stupidly strong magnets in them?
When we stop asking 'why?' and start asking 'why not?', lunacy like this happens.
The guitar for the light traveling metalhead. No pedal needed. Heck, your amp does not even need a OD channel. Just plug and play xD
So you even need to plug it in ?
Very cool! Great to see builders trying out new ideas and thanks for sharing the results. Keep up the good work. I'm digging all of your pickup videos.
Very interesting, keep up the experiments!
This is incredible! Cool experimentation!
That's a nice fuzzy pickup!
Amazing that you managed to have two different guitars out of tune on the same strings, by the same amount.
Thanks, I always endeavour to amaze.
probably used a Snark tuner
Is the magnet pulling it out of tune
I looked at your channel for a comparable video and didn't see one. Id like to watch you play your 54k pickup in tune. Got a link?
@@jeffp5730 I'm guessing you must be an excellent and world renowned cook? Because I'm pretty sure you're capable of feeling the taste of food
I've had this idea myself and came to see if it had been done. I see you beat me to it! Thats a hot pup, holy shit
Fascinating… I was wondering about this
Savage! Love it
Now, if you just had 6 Metal Zone's, you might be able to get a decent tone bro ; )
thanks
A nice example of taking something to the extreme,, and of exactly why I DON'T want hot pickups : ) I own some of your tamer sets...
Sounds exactly like I thought it would.
thats nuts
Experiment just for the sake of testing boundaries of hardware, like it!! 🤘
to get the same magnetic field strength out of a neodymium magnet as the typical alnico magnets, you can use thin Neo disks on top and on the bottom of the pickup.
Sounds like a gnarly fuzz pedal kewl
Bro, we need a clean test for this humbucker!
I like playing my guitar through a fender rumble, (sounds epic for metal) and this pickup would make it even more metal 🤤
Thought I was the only one! tele + tube screamer + fender rumble sounds great. Add in some chorus in the chain and you get a really nice and interesting sound
this is ideal for some stoner and sludge stuff, really pushy and gnarly stuff! i imagine the signal to noise ratio on this is really good as well
Having less winds actually increases the signal to noise ratio, as less wire means a smaller electromagnetic field around the coil, thus, a smaller amount of noise induced in the coil.
@@somepunkinthecomments471 Less winds more S/N ratio??? WTF, where the Fuck did you learned that? It's backwards, that's why you always need to use for example in interfaces the gain knob all the way to almost clipping.
@@Francisco17Berrios Do you know what a signal to noise ratio is? It's simple physics, the more windings, the more inductance, the more electromagnetic interface, aka, 60 cycle hum introduced into the signal path. The higher inductance produces a louder signal, but will hum more. Case in point, alumitone pickups, they have less noise than humbuckers, and they are low impedance.
That's not "noise" but Electromagnetic Interference (EMI). As for random thermal noise (hiss) it is higher for higher resistances. However we talking about signal to noise, and the signal gets bigger faster than the thermal noise for higher windings. Also the stronger magnet should make the signal increase more than the induced EMI
What's the cutoff frequency on that? About 500Hz?
That your brain
This is the real super distortion humbucker 😏 not the other one
That would be interesting to plug a headphone directly in the input jack of the guitar. Maybe there would be no need for a preamp to hear the guitar.
You won't get any output due to the loading of the coil. You'll need a power amp (Artec SDAP would be perfect).
i freekin love it lol
Very crisp, sweet, and hot. Just like Famous Dave's Signature Pickles.
I'd be down to talk about coming up with some improvements.
What strength did the magnet have? I need this information for you've cleared the path to my endgoal of the Tismbucker.
“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.”
--Dr. Ian Malcolm
interesting test..but how would it sound if you put less wraps with a thicker gauge wire..in other words..the same output (due to the more powerful magnetic field), but a brighter sound from less coil resistance
The output is a combination of both the number of winds and magnetic strength. Your suggestion would have a lower output.
It would be extremely bright and shrill. Probably getting into the hi-fi territory with thick enough wire.
@@Alegree By 'thicker guage' I meant thicker than the normal 42 or 43 guage. yes, it would have a lower output due to the lower maximum possible windings (compared to this, or other normal 42 gauge pickups) , but if the magnetic field with the neodym magnets is twice as strong as that of an alternative, then the output might still be more than with a 'standard' pickup. It should have a brighter sound that could be mellowed to taste with the tone control (and or capactor choice)..but still leaving the option of a very bright sound as needed..without having to actively boost the tone (along with any excess electromagnetic noise).
I think you're probably taking the idea of a Filtertron there and pushing it a bit further - they have a huge alnico magnet with two very low wind 42 awg coils.
I imagine you'd be enemy #1 of all your neighbourhood's cats and dogs playing something like that.
I wonder how a lightly wound neodymium pickup with an output of a hot ceramic would compare to it in terms of sound.
Now I just need to put 3 of them in my Ibanez Destroyer.
This particular design isn't available, it's been made into our production model High-Joule Tufnel humbucker.
Love my Destroyer haha, great idea!!!!!
I believe I want to snag one of these - is it hard to install? Do I need some sort of special pots from yall too? haha
This isn't a production model. Our production model is the High Joule Tufnel www.alegree.co.uk/collections/dual-coil-humbuckers/products/high-joule-tufnel-the-highest-output-pickup-on-the-market-so-far. 1m pots would be a good idea.
What model tele is that
Slight fuzzy edge?
Try slug Neo and screw Alnico II.
neodymium magnets rule especially if they are hand wound correctly they have the potential to get the most beautiful singing tone
What? No Boss Metal Zone into a Peavey Bandit? Heresy!
1st string not quite in?
Pickups for stoner metal
Do those magnets pull the strings hard enough to alter the intonation heaps?
Not that I noticed, I can't imagine it's particularly different from a set of alnico rod Strat pickups.
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NotAnotherGuitarChannel
All theise magnet myths --- is total BS !!
Check willseasyguitars channel --- lots of vids about busting guitar myths.
It can but it also depends on how you set your humbucker and how high the bridge is, for the most part you wouldn’t really notice
I had a Peavey T60 that had a really GR8T Tone. I decided to do some tonal experimening. So, I bought a pair of really high output pups that were 30+ OHMs in neck position and 50+ OHMs in bridge position. A Ceramic Magnet Neck and a Alnico Magnet Bridge, both pickups were made by WD. The neck pickup was a 4 rail model, and the bridge pickup was a 6 rail model. I got perfect pitch. The pups pulled the guitar out of tune unplugged and was even worse when plugged in and powered up. The more the volume was turned up, the more the guitar went out of tune. You could literally see the differences on my Boss Tuner, and I surely could hear the tuning go out of intonation when plugged up. The guitar was just an experiment that never worked out. The guitar just sounded HORRIFIC, and was useless to use to try and play any genre of music, even if the guitar had stayed in tune ! ! ! So, I switched the pickups back out to P-Rails, and later on to DiMarzios because they were cheaper than Fishman Fluence pickups. I have 4 sets of Peavey T60 Pickups and their treble bleed phase switchable electronics. They are worth serious bucks ! ! ! As for myself, I am always experimenting and tweaking music gear in search of Tone . . . Peace & Play 🎸 On FretBro's & FretSis's . . . 👍🤘🎸😎🙏. DDH 11-9-2020.
What is the purpose of this pickup?
Kinda reminds of Spinal Tap with the " How much more black can it be? ......none, none more black " line.
The sole purpose was to answer the title question. Now what I plan to using this knowledge for, on the other hand, shall be kept under wraps for now.
Was that on an active or passive channel?
Now it just needs ceramic bar magnet pole pieces and 3 bar magnets underneath
I think you should make some to sell, I think you would have customers who would try these!
They are available in our custom shop.
Seems like the x2n is 27
Isn't in any way as extrem as I thought it would be. Liked the "clean" sounds in some way.
Do you sell them?
We've adapted the design to make it reliably manufacturable and are due to release it shortly. It's a little bit different. Email us directly and we can sort you out a preorder.
@@Alegree how much does it cost without shipping?
@@thb219 £100 excl UK VAT if applicable
Now, put it on a Boss HM2
All the gain!
@@Alegree no mids slayer
Isn’t 53K a wire,resistance measurement not a measure of magnetic strength?
What’s up with making me one that 69k please with rail coils
I'm not sure 69k would fit, I think somewhere around 60-65k would probably be the maximum on rail bobbins. But we could try to make that.
How much do you want for it?
It's sold. Custom shop design your own humbuckers are £75.
This is interesting, I would put a compressor first in line, you would surely get a more control sound.
The dc resistance of pickups isn’t always a good indicator of how hot they are, but generally it’s pretty safe to say that once the resistance gets past about 20k, the pickup is already stupidly compressed. This pickup is 45k, so throwing a compressor in front of it would probably not be a great idea.
turn.the.knobs.on.the.guitar.down.......
Bit much innit lol
tune your guitar first
I was surprised more people weren't commenting on that point lol
I would try to tune sharp to see if you could counter the magnet pulling out of tune so that you would be pulling it in tune
Good tech channel, but get a pro guitarist to demo pickup sounds etc.
Pro guitarists are used for our product demos, not our silly videos.
@@Alegree They may be but I'm not so the demo suffers. I don't think the videos are silly. With all due respect, good hands /ears on the instrument helps Alegree get the sound and point of the video across.
It's not a demo, it's not for sale. It's an experiment with no financial gain, therefore the expense of a professional would be wasted.
54k? That sounds like sludge. Not for me... 16k is enough
Wow! Sounds like shit! Try using lower amount of windings with higher guage wire to avoid the capacitance that forms between the fuckton of coils and filters off high end before it hits any circuitry
Less than 54k? Don't be ridiculous, no one wants a pickup less than 54k.
I wouldn't keep those pickups on any guitar for any long periods of time, I could see it doing all sorts of weird things to any metal components.
Sorry mate . It's rubbish . No Versatility whatsoever .
Oh , there would certainly be a MARKET for it , but seriously ? Only the uninformed would buy it . An EXPERIENCED Metal-head would look elsewhere .
Thanks for the comment, however, this video was a ironic parody.
@@Alegree . No problem . It still sounded like shit .
Pickup sounds like ass.. Keep your winds below 8.2k and use Alnico for best sound. 54k is ridiculously stupid.
It's supposed to be ridiculously stupid, the video description even contains the word 'ridiculous'.
Plenty of the best pickup models are beyond 8.2k.
@@Alegree No the best pickups are PAF type. I wind pickups and know plenty about pickup design.
It's all subjective.
Dude, the tone off that pick-up is awful...look up Seymour Duncan..he can help.
It wasn't made to sound good, it was a crazy experiment. I tried to make that as obvious as possible.
agreed, something this distorted hides the shitty playing skill.
At one time or another all musicians played and sounded like 💩💩💩, and sooner or later, no matter what LEVEl of GR8TNESS ASCENDED to, we will ALL in due time, DIGRESS back down to playing and sounding like 💩💩💩 ! ! ! Until Then, Peace & Play 🎸 On YAW'LL . . . 👍🤘🎸😎🙏. DDH 11-9-2020.