The Mechanika Max was my introduction to prosumer level highend Espresso. Pros: • Such a handsome design and well built well finished machine that will hopefully live on my counter for years. •plumbable: it is soooo nice to just install a filter and forget about water (specially for timer / Schedule on&off) • It’s so Quite compared to vibratory pump machines.. that alone is worth the upgrade. • Once heated and running, this machine can make your work flow so easy. I had a few friends the other day and I made 10 different drinks back to back within 15 min Cons: •Takes long to warm up (30 min) which is probably due to the large 1.9 L boiler. So scheduling your coffee is important. I recommend the Wifi controllable plugs (much easier to use and usable than built in schedule in the machine itself) • Water tank god no Cover ??? What???? Lol why? • portafilter basket included takes only 15g not 18g •Steaming wand is not as flexible for angle positions and can take long to get used to (since it’s really fast so Using lower pressure setting is recommended.. still figuring it out) Overall for the price I thunk you get such a great machine. I love it
@@Wholelattelovepage watching your reviews and videos Marc made me excited and helped make my decision. Thank you and always happy to see you in a new video
Hi WISE, I don't have a Max open in front of me at the moment but a good bet it's indication of static relay sending power to the boiler's heating element. When machine is fully up to temp it will cycle on/off every few seconds or so. Marc
The ECM Mechanika VI Slim Heritage is on my list for this very reason- it looks amazing. I just wish it had a PID display or shot timer but other than that it ticks all the boxes that I'm looking for with a beautiful finish.
Hi K, Not sure what might be down the road for alternative housings for the Mechanika Max. ECM's Synchronika has a bunch of options including anthracite black and custom wood side panels. www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-espresso-machine-with-flow-control-anthracite Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, I am referring to the face of the machine and not the side panels - housing. It would be nice to see an anthracite option in full machine Antonios
Hi D, I suspect there will be more wood accents available in the future. Currently at minimum there is an olive wood bottomless portafilter: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-olive-wood-portafilter Marc
Thank you for great video. ECM amazing quality and features are well known. Glad they are pushing the limits and innovating to bring features at lower price points. Great day for coffee geeks and Made my Sunday!
After being on BTC Mode you’re not going to want to go back to just HX mode. I’ve been using this machine for almost a month on BTC Mode. Now I came from another Heat exchanger without any of this. Although with that machine I really didn’t flush much. Once I turned off BTC mode - man I hade to flush it says ready which is for excellent operation but man I’m lazy now. BTC mode got me lazy. You don’t have to do anything but kick up the steam at the end of the pull. 🎉
Hey Matt, a definite consideration. Synchronika and Pro 700 are essentially identical to each other internally with same specs and capabilities. The Mechanika Max is less $$ and has similar brew temp stability in lower volume usage. All three can be purchased with flow control - currently a free upgrade. Some user will appreciate additional features built into the Max like programmable on/off times and programmable active and passive pre-infusion. The 700 and Synchronika have class leading steam power at 2 bar that's always available while the Mechanika Max's high end is about 1.5 bar in normal HX mode. Hope that helps! Marc
HI S, Thanks for the comment. We did not do the milk steaming test in this video. I have tested a previous vewrsion of the machine and times range from 21-28 seconds for 5oz to ~140F depending on the temperature setting. I would expect similar performance when running in steam temp priority. Hope that helps! Marc
I keep coming back to this video, I have had my barista express for 11 years now and ready to upgrade to a decent HX machine, do you think this is the best heat exchanger machine at the moment that will last me 11+ more years? I have been looking at the new rocket apartamento also.
Hi b, thanks for the question. If you kept a Barista Express running for 11 years you'll have no problem getting 11 years out of the Max. It's a higher level build quality! "Best" means different things to different people. I can say the Max is at the top of capabilities in HX machines with a deep feature set, dual PID and operation modes, plumbability, active and passive pre-infusion, flush alert and time of day on/off. It's a deep feature set that takes a little programming effort to get full advantage. I've been working with the new Appartamento TCA for about a month now. It's a much simpler machine with 4 basic PID controlled temperature settings. It's a good option for those who want things easy and are not interested in going high-end hobby level into crafting espresso extractions. Set it to the medium temp for dark roast and high for light roast and that's about it. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Kevin, the drip tray is not predrilled for drain connection but does have a dimple in the center where one could be added. Agree the flush advisor based on the 2nd PID probe is a great idea! Marc
I really dig the ECM products. I was looking at the Mechanika for my upgrade from my Gaggia Classic, but now the Max maybe the one I go with! Thanks for another great video!
One thing that does strike me in this machine is that it has the same issue as my Technika (& other machines) and that is the steam pipe is directly above a mains switch and LED. My steam pipe developed a slow drip at the join with the steam valve. Water dripped onto the power LED and caused it to short out. It was a cheap fix - about a dollar for a new LED and resistor, but water on mains power does not thrill me. They have a shield over the electronics - extending that shield over the power switch and LED to direct water away would be good.
Thanks for the great review! I am struggle to compare Profitec 600 vs. Mechanika Max. I like the build quality of ECM and its time scheduling function, but other things seems to go to the Pro 600. I am pulling two shots every morning for milk drink. Enjoy the latte as well as making it. Which one shall I pick?
Thanks Marc. So if the Mechanika now features HX internals with a rotary pump, where does this place higher model Technika in the ECM product line? The Mecha Max now appears more feature rich than the current and not so old Technika V Pro. Thanks.
Hi DB, The Mechanika Max does add some features - and at a very attractive price point! In comparison, while the finishing on the Max is excellent the Technika has more detailed casework with fully wrapped edges. Marc
Great video Mark. Machines are getting better but such tiny baby steps with these electronic controls when iPads have been out for years. The processing power and memory required to do anything you could ever want these machines to do is so tiny, it would fit in a box smaller than a watch yet these companies just won't invest in a good touch screen control. Two buttons and a tiny screen? That was the update to the PID unit? Wow. What about just a wifi antenna inside and put out an app that sets all the temps, pre-infusion-brew time, everything! So slow to update. Very frustrating for such expensive units.
My thoughts exactly. It is bizarre that most of the features are to fix deficiencies in the E61/HX/lever design and uses a display that is so obsolete that nothing else I own works this way. Even my meat thermometer is better than this design.
@@TomJones-tx7pb Well put! These machines are great quality and design but the mind set with the management is so restricted that they refuse to innovate. There is nothing worse than putting a new air conditioning in your home and being told by the company that you must use their touch screen thermostat and then it won't even register your finger touches after it's installed. Total trash because the company refuses to do it right. The Rocket R Nine One has a great touch screen but reviews still state that you must "press the screen hard" to get it to register your touches... on a $6500.00 machine! You could buy the bottom line iPad and just bolt it to the front and get a better screen than the Rocket R Nine One. Just find the best touch screen technology and do it right. Not this system of choose bcT, BC1, BC2, BC3 by having to do specific single button push sequences... all this should be displayed simultaneously on a touch screen display so you can see what is currently set and just push the other one when you need it instead of this idiotic menu system on a half inch display. It's 2023 for Christmas sakes! Even Rocket missed the mark with only five total menu settings for profile saving and you still can't store the pull you just did anywhere other than the star location, which then can't be permanently stored in one of only five memory slots. Really? Only five? I have over 25,000 photos on my damn iPhone and they can't store more than five pulls in memory and "no, you can't save what you just did to a permanent memory slot, it can only be saved to the star location and then that will get erased next time you want to store what you just pulled." It's like a two year old programmed these things! Get a teenager who understands programming to do this for your companies. Logical mind who understands memory, RAM, touch screen technology and responsiveness, waterproof needs and do it right! Come on ECM... Rocket... everyone else in the espresso industry!
@@bertraminc9412 And with a larger display, maybe you could use meaningful English words rather than things like "BC1, BC2". A good clue that you are doing rubber band engineering is when you cannot explain on the display what the settings are for, or even why you need them in the first place. I used to send engineers back to the drawing board when they came up with solutions that required the user to do settings instead of figuring out how to make it "just work".
@@TomJones-tx7pb Oh don't get me started. When I call Apple and I tell them some code is broken, I get, "well you just have to do this....".... and I stop them and point out that this is the definition of "it doesn't work!" Exactly. If you can't put full proper words for the setting on a display, you're display might be too small. Steve Jobs had a great talk where he discussed one of the hardest things to do as a manager at a tech company.... telling brilliant engineers and programmers, "no". i don't think Tim Cook knows what no means.
Hi May, "AUS" (Advanced User Settings) must be turned on in the menu. Set "PI" (pre infusion) to on. Set "PrA" (active pre infusion) to time in seconds you want pump to run for the pre infusion. Set "PrP" (passive pre infusion) to time in seconds for the delay desired before the pump comes back on. Here's a video which covers all menu settings available on the Mechanika Max: ECM Mechanika Max Menu Operations Tutorial: ua-cam.com/video/JiWUAA1kVP0/v-deo.html Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Jay, Yes, when running in brew temperature control mode the the display shows the current temperature of water circulating in the E61 brew group's thermosiphon loop. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the reply! I should have specified. I was wondering if it is possible to view the brew group temp while in HX mode? I imagine this would make it possible for someone to use flushing to precisely control the brew temp in HX mode. Thanks again!
@@jayborgmann Roger. If you are in normal HX mode then switch the machine into BTC mode it will display the current temperature in the brew group thermosiphon loop. The flush advisor serves the same function. When you flush it lets you know when the probe in the loop is registering the brew temp you set in t1. It does not show you the temp in the display - just says "RDY". Marc
Hi g, thanks for the question. No, the Mechanika Max does not have the Fast Heat Mode. Fast heat is only offered in select dual boiler and single boiler (SBDU) machines from ECM and Profitec. The Max uses a heat-exchange boiler. By design HX boiler machines heat to well beyond the desired brew temperature in the steam producing section of the boiler. That section of the boiler transfers heat to the isolated tube within the boiler which provides the brew water and thermosiphon flow to the E61 group. Hope that helps! Marc
Question with the stainless steel boiler do we descale as usual or is their a special descale for stainless steel. ? Thanks one more think can I have flush advisor on in BTS mode?
Hi Mayb, The chemists at Urnex (manufacturer of most commonly used descaling products) advise any descaler can be used in stainless steel boilers. But, be aware machine manufactures recommend end users do not descale machines with heat exchange or dual boilers. The main reason is it's difficult to complete fill a steam boiler with descaling solution due to the head space in the boiler left to contain the steam. Also makes it difficult to complete rinse the boiler of descaler. Best course is to prevent scale in the first place by softening the water (reducing calcium). Filter options from BWT exchange calcium in water with magnesium leaving a mineral level needed for flavor and corrosion protection without risk of scale formation. Options for reservoir fed machines: BWT Aqualizer: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-aqualizer-2-6-l-pitcher-with-illuminated-baselight BWT Bestsave in reservoir pad filter: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-m-anti-scale-filter For plumbed direct: BWT Bestmax Premium: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package-w-besthead-flex For the flush advisor, it only operates when running with BTC turned off. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Maybaby1959 Hi, filter for the pitcher has not changed. Same works in old and new version: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-3-pack-of-replacement-magnesium-filter-cartridges
I am at the crossroad of upgrading my Isomac Venus. I like my milk drinks and was wondering is there a difference between the Max and the Technika V Profi steaming power?
Hey r, They will be fairly similar depending on how you have the Max set. If you run the Max in brew temperature control mode you'll have to tell the machine you want to bring the boiler up to steaming temperature during an extraction - it gets there fairly quickly. If you run in normal HX mode then steam is always available and you can turn the boiler temp up a bit for more steam. That increases the brew temp so you'll likely need to flush the group prior to the extraction - but the Max's Flush Advisor will let you know when needed and for how long. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Mark, the Mechanika Max has brew temperature control mode and flush advisor driven by the 2nd PID probe in the E61 thermosiphon loop. Also has time programmable active and passive pre-infusion and programmable on/off times. Marc
Hi Marc, I was told that with the Technica Profi PID, it wasn’t necessary to flush the group head as the PID kept the group head at the right temperature. However from this I gather it doesn’t do that good a job. Therefore does the mechanika max make machines like the Technica Machine redundant?
@@marklearner3299 Hi Mark, HX boiler machines with PID are much better at holding desired temps than older HX machines operating under pressurestat control. But temps can creep up in some if left on and idle for long periods. Variables like PID temp setting, ambient temps and even whether the portafilter is left in the group when idle have an impact. Marc
Marc can I use pre infusion and passive pre infusion together on tank mode the booklet says they don’t recommend using in tank mode am I reading it right
Hey M, When running from tank you can (and should) use Active pre-infusion and Passive pre-infusion together. Active pre-infusion runs the pump for the time set in PrA. Passive pre-infusion follows Active pre-infusion and pauses the pump for the time set in PrP. When running from a plumbed in connection only Passive pre-infusion should be used. Here's my video explaining all menu functions in detail: ECM Mechanika Max Menu Operations Tutorial ua-cam.com/video/JiWUAA1kVP0/v-deo.html Marc
My household is having a “which espresso machine to upgrade to” showdown, and we’ve come down to the final two… this one (my choice) and the bezzera matrix (my husbands choice). We’re looking for the programmability that both of these machines offer, and when we get into the custom upgrades I want with ECM (walnut accents and bottomless portafilter) the difference in cost isn’t that significant. That being said, I am the person who maintains our current machine, and I am terrified of dual boilers and the idea that you should not descale them personally, but take them in to be serviced. We will be using either a BWT penguin filter or distilled water to add third wave water to, so I know in theory scale should be at a minimum, but it seems like everything I read says they should still be descaled on a semi regular basis. If that’s the case I would think that would add an extra cost and downtime for that machine that would knock a dual boiler out of contention. Or am I mistaken and if you use the proper water descaling isn’t really an issue?
Hi km, If you use the BWT Penguin filter as directed scale will not form in the machine. Some 3rd wave formulations may result in scale. If you go with a plumbable machine you could use a BWT Bestmax premium in-line filter to eliminate scale potential: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package-w-besthead-flex Hope that helps! Marc
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Hi, Thanks for thé vidéo. I have a few questions. What is the warmup time? What is the cup clearance? In the video you show a graph where reaching brew temperatures can take 5, 6 or 8 minutes depending on which mode you are in. Is this the recovery time after the 3 minute steam bump? Thanks
Hi BdlT, Thanks for the questions. Full warmup time is ~25 minutes, cup clearance 3.5", Graph shows times after pulling a shot where the machine returns to set brew temperature in a range of 1 minute 10 seconds to 1 minute 30 seconds. So ready to pull another shot at set brew temp in that time frame. If you do not, then temperature overshoots and re-stabilizes in the 5 to 8 minute time frame. The graph does not refer to heating after the steam bump. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Dan, Thanks for the question. Yes they are all good! I recently posted this video on the Profitec Drive: ua-cam.com/video/ouG30LITDy4/v-deo.html The Drive and Synchronika are dual boiler machines while the Max is an advanced heat-exchange boiler with dual PID to overcome some of the limitations of HX boilers in relation to prioritizing brew temp accuracy against steam pressure. Internally, the Drive (based off the Profitec Pro 700) and Synchronika are nearly identical. The Drive has a new OLED screened control system that offers features not found on the Synchronika like Fast Heating, on/off by time of day, programmable active and passive pre-infusion and more. Hope that helps! Marc
Help, please. The ECM Mechanika Max or the Mechanika Slim VI? I am a newbie. I had decided to get the Mechanika Slim VI, but then I saw the Max and am now torn. Thanks.
Hey Sherwood, The Max is an advanced version of the Slim. It's PID controlled and has a ton of features available. If you're a newbie there will be a bit of a learning curve but if you're committed it's a much more powerful machine with the additional features. Max uses a commercial grade rotary pump and is plumbable direct to waterline if desired. Slim uses a vibration pump and is not plumbable. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the two machines: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NDI5MTY0MTYwNjE5OCwxNTQ2MDQwNTA4NDc1 Currently excellent price on the Max with flow control: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-mechanika-max-espresso-machine-with-flow-control Hope that helps! Marc
Okay, so this new machine has a few control assistants and it's good, for sure, but still how to achieve the same precision on a dual boiler like a Synchronika?
Hi B, The Synchronika is precise by design with an isolated boiler dedicated to providing brew water. The Mechanika Max gets the precision when running in brew temp control mode. That mode uses a PID probe in the thermosiphon loop to drive heating of the heat-exchange boiler and prevent overheating of brew water typical in machines with HX boilers. Marc
Hi C, Full disclosure I have not used the Cube. From what I understand it's a vibration pump, HX boiler machine. The Max is a dual PID machine with a variety of ways to control temps and extra features like the flush advisor when running in standard HX mode. Max has programmable active and passive pre-infusionMax is also HX boiler but with dual PID there's more flexibility in how temperatures are controlled. Max uses a rotary pump. They are quieter than vibration pumps. Hope that helps!
When deciding between this or the synchronika, is it mostly down to fresher brew water on the max, vs steam power on the sync? Whilst clearly good, does the sync have better temp control for espresso? I mainly drink espresso with the occasional milk drink.
Marc I use spring water your in Ny so I go to Shoperite and use their brand. Now the ppm is about 36 or so can I run that spring through the bwt for added minerals when I do it bumps it to about 46 all neutral on the ph green. Am I good to go. I don’t want to use tap. Tap without bwt is about 250 ppm. Through the bwt knocks it down to 146. What do you think. Thanks
Hi M, the 36-46ppm is highly unlikely to result in scale in the machine. Honestly it's a little light in mineral content. It's fine for the machine but some expert tasters might find the flavor a little flat. The BWT should be able to deal with tap water at 250ppm. Understand much of the 146ppm after BWT treatment is reading from the magnesium that replaced the calcium. mg does not cause scale and the calcium has been reduced enough that it will not either. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Carl, Yes. Not sure how long the offer will continue but the Max is currently available with free flow control upgrade. Should be on the site soon. For now you can call in to get the offer: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us Marc
Hi DN, Depends on what's important to you. Considerations: Pro 600 is not plumbable and uses a vibration pump, does not have programmable pre-infusion but can be equipped with flow control (so can the Max) for similar capabilities, The machines have similar brew temp stability but recovery is faster in the 600, Pro 600 uses turning knobs on the steam/hot water valves, Max has the joystick levers, Max has programmable on/off times and 600 does not. Portafilters on the Max are angled, 600 PFs are straight, 600 has always available best in class steaming power at 2 bar of pressure, in normal HX mode top pressure on the Max is ~1.5 bar. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I am properly not do plumbing. One question about the pump, the profitec pro 600 has vibration pump and the Max has rotary pump. Will it make difference in pressure consistency? Thanks, Duy Nguyen
@@duynguyen2804 No difference in pressure consistency. There is a difference in how fast it comes up to full pressure. Rotary pumps get there faster. Also difference in stock flow rates. Vibration pumps are 7-8 grams per second and rotary is 10-11. Marc
Hi. I bought this machine a few days ago and the pressure needle does not work stably, it constantly vibrates. I wonder why? All other functions are smooth.
Hi N, some vibration of the pressure needle is normal. If you believe it's excessive and purchased the machine from us you can contact our tech support staff here for assistance: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us
Hi, how easy is it to change the pressure on this machine if you wanted to change from 9 bar? I noticed in the video during the internal tour there was a round hole underneath the rotary pump but wasn't sure if that was to do with the adjustment.
I thought the same thing. I’m not saying these two are identical in their offerings but MaraX definitely offered a “solution” years back to the typical HX issues and need for flushing. MaraX was the first one to introduce brew priority mode overriding the need for a cooling flush. Anyway I feel like some may argue that ECM offers superior reliability or quality build 🤷🏻♂️ but I’m almost sure that Lelit was the first one to innovate on this regard. Even though MaraX has two internal PIDs and brew temperature settings some may prefer to have an actual PID controller. I’d argue that most won’t be able to tell a difference in the cup by going up or down one degree.
@@CarlosVargas-js8qz and they probably do, but also at a different price point. It‘s only logical that other vendors follow suit, but Lelit was the first (I know of) to introduce a second temp. probe for the brew water.
Hi, @Carlos Vargas and @Peter thanks for the commentary. Lelit may have been first with a solution but the Mechanika Max takes it to another level. A key advantage is always knowing exactly what the temperature is in the thermosiphon loop. In brew temp control mode the display shows it. Running in standard HX mode the flush advisor uses your t1 temp setting to alert when a flush is needed, when the flush has you at your set temp or when you're under set temperature. There's no guessing where you are on the Max. I agree some users wouldn't know the difference in a couple of degrees of brew temp but some will. And, with no way of knowing what the temps are the difference could be much greater. Additional features like rotary pump, programmable active and passive pre-infusion allow for repeatable profiles and pre-infusion whether your running from the reservoir or the plumbed connection. Shot timer, programmable on/off times, cleaning and filter reminders, easy access to E11 offset adjustments and yes, the build quality and cleaner internal design add to the package. The Max is a more expensive machine so not surprising it has more going on. Marc
Hi Dale, Thanks for the question. Max (lol) steam pressure is ~1.5 bar when running in standard HX mode and t2 boiler temp is turned all the way up. Synchronika can reach ~2 bar at max steam boiler temp setting. Hope that helps! Marc
Synk is dual boiler 2 bar pressure. Max heat exchanger but the frothing is excellent. On btc control I like the even frothing. But with the max just before you end your shot hit the left button it kicks the steam up a lot double click and it will kick steam to the max.
Hi Diego, Thanks for the comment and question. The Mechanika Max uses a rotary pump so brew pressure is adjusted at the bypass on the pump. That's accessible underneath the machine. One can adjust the pressure with the machine operating by carefully hanging one rear leg of the machine over the edge of a countertop. Marc
I have had a Mechanika Max for a few days so am still getting used to it's capabilities. The menu is fairly intuitive and it is producing good shots. I have, however, been defeated by the schedule function. Whatever time I set for on and off, for weekday or weekend nothing happens. Can anybody help. I maybe missing something but have been through the manual, this helpful review and an associated tutorial multiple times!
Hi AA, Thanks for the report on your Mechanika Max and the question. For the schedule to run the Timer Standby (sby) function must be turned on. Turning sby on/off makes it easy to globally turn off the schedule if you will not be using machine. Hope that helps! Marc
I thought I had solved it but, sadly, not. I have done all the things you suggest and set up the schedule. The clock is set and machine in SBy but nothing happens. I will use a simple timer and wait to see if I have a flash of inspiration!
@@Wholelattelovepage Yes. I found your video tutorial a great help for setting all the other parameters but just cannot get the timer to work. I don't think I am missing anything obvious and it sounds as though several other users are similarly challenged. I will attack the issue with a fresh brain tomorrow. Thanks for your ongoing support and great videos.
Hi Mark, I have a question which is not relative to the posted video. My question is about trying different baskets. We have seen Wafo lately. We know pretty well the VST and Pullman. Do you find the extraction yield an important aspect for the espresso taste ? Does it deserve to try and taste different baskets ?
Hi K, Thanks for the question. We do occasionally measure extraction yields with refractometer. If working with a single coffee one may find they prefer its flavor at a particular yield but it's hard to compare different coffees using extraction yields. The yield doesn't correlate in a general way to flavor. Baskets do make a difference. Flow rates and shape differ between baskets leading to changes in grind size and flow through the puck which change flavor. Marc
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Hi Mark! I have been really enjoying watching your reviews of espresso machines, so much info but told in a very understandable and clear way. I'm wondering which to choose. the Mechanika Max or the Technika V profi from ECM. It's my first real semi automatic machine but I don't want to start from a bare bones model and regret it later on. The programming options are very appealing for us as well as the engineering behind the machine and ease of use. What are the real differences between the two? Both are HX and rotary, right? Thanks so much. Ayla
Hi Ayla, Thanks for the kind comment and question. Yes, both are HX boiler rotary pump machines. Both are very capable machines. The Max is a more recent design with a lot of extra capabilities. If the additional options appeal to you I would go with the Max. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for your reply! That's exactly what I needed to know. There are so many machines out there and it will be my first foray into the prosumer class of machines. thanks so much and keep up your wonderful positivity! great to watch your videos.
@@Wholelattelovepage yay!!! I’m really looking forward to this. When you do the video can you please make it clear how easy it is (or not) to use this in conjunction the Jura cool control and also the rinse process it does 8 minutes after making a milk drink. Also can you let me know the measurement in CM of the machine in height with the beam hopper height included. Need to know it will fit under my cupboard… anymore than 44cm would be a problem… Also does it work from the apple Siri smart system too. Sorry for all the questions but I don’t want to waste my money if it’s not EXACTLY like I want it to be!🤣🤣
Great video! We have been on this “get a new machine” fence for over a year. We’re drooling over the Synchonica but it’s out of our budget. I get annoyed at the loudness of vibration pumps and I’m not wanting a complicated machine. Unlike a few comments I do not want touch screens, I am a bit old school and still use my old alarm clock 😂! We we’re looking at the 400 but now I’m wondering if this would be a good option. We like pre infusion. We make mostly lattes and americanos. Does the drip tray pull straight out or do you have to tilt it? Can you do two milk drinks back to back while keeping the temp control mode on? We rarely pump out three drinks but it might happen. How long to steam a pitcher of milk in E2mode? Hubs wondering will this be too complicated for his wife (me) who gets grumpy before coffee😂.
Hey Lise, Welcome back! 1. To pull the drip tray it's a tiny tilt up and then it slides right off. 2. With BTC (brew temp mode) on you'd hit the down button while pulling your shot so the boiler starts heating for steaming. In a few seconds the boiler will pass 1.2 bar and you can start steaming. The boiler will continue to heat for 3 minutes then automatically return to BTC. If your milk drinks are single shots split a double shot into 2 cups, hit the down button while extracting and you'll have plenty of steam/time to froth for both. If using double shots for the 2 drinks when your pulling the second double hit the down button and you will have plenty of steam for 3 minutes. If pumping out the milk drinks you'd be better off running in standard HX mode and using the flush advisor in between extractions. In standard HX mode you always have full steam power available. 3. In standard HX mode steaming 5oz/150ml it's probably ~20 seconds to reach 140F/60C in the pitcher. That can vary a +/- a few seconds based on starting milk temp and your t2 (boiler temperature) setting 4. At first glance there's a lot of control available with the 2 buttons and it may seem complicated. But it's very easy to use and quickly becomes second nature. And, one of the few machines of its type with programmable on/off times - that's gonna help with the grumpy before coffee crowd. It can be all heated up and ready to go for you😜. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage we drink double shot latte. Need that extra kick at our age. How will that fair out to make two back to back at 6 am? As always I truly value all your comments and opinions… even when your pour coffee underwater 😎
@@Wholelattelovepage Buck I just reread. Ok so the HX mode probably better. I don’t want Sticky crema for my latte art 😜! Do you think the drip tray sludge with slosh out when you tilt?
@@lisegagne3716 Saw that 🤿! I'd use the machine with BTC on and while pulling your second double push the button to kick up the boiler temp for 3 minutes. It's a very slight tilt up to remove the tray so unless it's very close to overflowing in the first place no risk of sloshy sludge.
@@Wholelattelovepage ok thanks! It’s all coming together here. In BTC the group temp is the priority managed by the down arrow to jack up the steam, in HX the steam temp is priority managed by the up or down visual to raise or lowers the group temp. I still think a DB is best but I do see how this could be a great option for us at the PP! Cheers Buck thanks for testing out all this gear for us it’s very helpful ☕️
Hi k, Only Technika V we carry has a rotary pump. Maybe the "V" is leading you to believe it has vibration pump? In this case the "V" is Roman numeral for 5 www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-technika-v-profi-pid
it seems like every day i find a new machine to compare. i’ve been eyeing the bezzera aria for a while now, but the technika v profi pid caught my attention. my issue with that one was brew temp read from the boiler, which the mechanika max solves. would you recommend the mechanika max over the aria? i mostly make milk-based drinks, and i care about aesthetics, build quality, ease of use, steaming power, and temp stability
I still don’t get what the 3 modes are about. If it is a PID machine.. allows you to set both steam boiler and group temperature + the amazing flush indicator… Then why to bother with the other modes? Also.. do they come with preset temperatures ?
A highly needed update for the Mechanika. Is it still as narrow as the Mechanika Slim? The Mara X had these features for years now. Too bad that they used such a tiny display instead of an app, its 2023! Who would want to set up a schedule for every day if there is the option of a wifi plug? The Mechanika always had rotary valves, it was a design element, now there is not much 'mechanical' anymore. Are the arms non burn?
Hi Dune, Thanks for the comment. Arms are no burn. Going to quick steam valves is response to consumer demand who've voiced a preference. They are still mechanical. As for the display, I know a few are clamoring for app controlled machines while others prefer more classic operation. Wifi plugs are an option - and one I've recommend consistently. Even with that I'm surprised with the number of reqeusts I get for built in on/off timing functions.
Looks like a souped up Lelit MaraX. If that machine's got a weak point, it's the pump only doing about 5.3ml/s water debit. Clearly, a rotary can do substantially more than that.
Hi David, Thanks for the comment. Yes, a lot more precision going on with the Max. I have a MaraX in the building but have not measured its flow rate. If it is 5.3 g/s that is rather low. Typical vibration pump runs 7-8 and rotary pumps go 10-11. Marc
Thanks for sharing. This Mechanika Max is wonderful. But frankly speaking, the display menu is way too complicated. Who could memorize those countless fonctions ?? It's a bit of a mood killer for me.
Hey marc, Thanks for the comment. When I first used the machine it seemed like a lot. But it didn't take long to internalize the available functions. Marc
Is this brew control the same as the Breville Oracle Touch functionality, which measures boiler and the group independently (with the group having a heating element of its own)?
Hi NL, It's similar but a little different in that the Max is reading the temp within the constantly circulating water in the E61 thermosiphon loop. Marc
Decisions... Both are fine machines. For steaming, Pro 600 is more flexible with and has more power if you want it. On the other hand the Max has larger feature set with the pre-infusion modes, etc. Marc
True they are the first to have a deep design for this a lot of electronics on this machine and it works well. The rotary pump is smaller so it has to wind up faster you get a slight whine but it’s still quieter than a vib pump
Never stop making videos marc. This is a great one, great info, looks like an amazing machine. Do you find that most of the functions are necessary? I still make amazing coffee with my Technika profi
Hi dcds, Thanks for the kind comment. Technika Profi is an excellent, beautiful machine! The functions add to ease of use and capabilities. With the smart HX one can produce consistent brew temps without flushing and crank up the steam power when needed. Run the Max in standard HX mode and the flush advisor removes brew temp guesswork. Time programmable automatic active and passive pre-infusion help with extraction consistency and quality. Programmable on/off times are rare in classic style semi-automatic machines. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Great video, Marc, as always from you! We are enjoying our new coffee experience with a 100% Canephora (Robusta) from the African rain forrest in Guinea. They have the interesting approach to treat and process their Canephora as carefully as you would normally do that with Arabica coffee. So, they have installed the very first coffee-washing-machine in their region of the world ;-) The coffee is incredibly smooth, has a great texture and it seems that it is conserving the “whole warmth of entire Africa” in it… I am just wondering how such a great coffee from Macenta Beans would come out with the pre-infusion this _ECM Mechanika Max_ is offering… See you ;-)
I find it really surprising these Italian companies are still trying to catch up to the BDB. For the prices they ask for, they should be able to do alot better. I'm glad the Bianca kind of gave these companies a kick in the butt, but they're still well behind the curve.
Hi Drift, Thanks for the comment. BDB is in the appliance category. Breville/Sage offered as a less costly alternative to the hand made machines out of Europe. BDB has lots of plastic and proprietary components. Not exactly user serviceable. Lelit makes machine grade alternatives but it's fair to say finishing quality like casework and fasteners is a little below that of manufacturers like ECM. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Agree, however, Technical Lelit push the envelope and new boundaries at the end good Espresso counts and the Bianca, Maria X or Elisabeth delivers . Not so important if the stainless is thicker or thinner it is the Espresso that counts!
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Hi HoYS, Like other HX boiler machines you can change the boiler temp to reduce or increase general steaming power. Most higher-end machines have gone to spring assisted valves which go from closed to fully open in about a 1/4 turn. It's a more reliable design. Marc
Flush adviser seems great, but having to interpret a 3 digit symbol code is really unacceptable in this day and age. It was ok in the 80s on my old alarm clock 😂. All kidding aside, perhaps WLL can begin push these manufacturers to modernize their user interfaces. Even the Lelit Bianca display would be an upgrade.
Hi Net, I hear you on the display. There's this weirdness with putting digital displays on the face of classically styled espresso machines. Up until a few years ago Rocket Espresso wouldn't even consider a digital display on the face of their machines. Their feeling was it ruined the aesthetic. They finally came around when they added shot timers to the face of machines in their Chronometro line. But they still hide temp controls behind the drip tray or in removable displays on their Cinquantotto. Bezzera does have machines like the Matrix and Duo with a robust touchscreen display on the face of the machine. Marc
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The Mechanika Max was my introduction to prosumer level highend Espresso.
Pros:
• Such a handsome design and well built well finished machine that will hopefully live on my counter for years.
•plumbable: it is soooo nice to just install a filter and forget about water (specially for timer / Schedule on&off)
• It’s so Quite compared to vibratory pump machines.. that alone is worth the upgrade.
• Once heated and running, this machine can make your work flow so easy. I had a few friends the other day and I made 10 different drinks back to back within 15 min
Cons:
•Takes long to warm up (30 min) which is probably due to the large 1.9 L boiler. So scheduling your coffee is important. I recommend the Wifi controllable plugs (much easier to use and usable than built in schedule in the machine itself)
• Water tank god no Cover ??? What???? Lol why?
• portafilter basket included takes only 15g not 18g
•Steaming wand is not as flexible for angle positions and can take long to get used to (since it’s really fast so Using lower pressure setting is recommended.. still figuring it out)
Overall for the price I thunk you get such a great machine. I love it
Hey m, Thanks for sharing your thought on the Mechanika Max!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage watching your reviews and videos Marc made me excited and helped make my decision. Thank you and always happy to see you in a new video
Love all the videos. They really help understanding the operations, features of all the machines and products you have available.
Hi Ed, Thanks a whole latte for the comment!
Marc
Noticed there’s a red light on the back of the electronics board. Any idea what the signifies when it’s on?
Hi WISE, I don't have a Max open in front of me at the moment but a good bet it's indication of static relay sending power to the boiler's heating element. When machine is fully up to temp it will cycle on/off every few seconds or so.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks!
Have you suggested ECM to come up with a non-chrome solution, for those who want an ECM machine, but dislike the chrome ?
The ECM Mechanika VI Slim Heritage is on my list for this very reason- it looks amazing. I just wish it had a PID display or shot timer but other than that it ticks all the boxes that I'm looking for with a beautiful finish.
Hi K, Not sure what might be down the road for alternative housings for the Mechanika Max. ECM's Synchronika has a bunch of options including anthracite black and custom wood side panels. www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-espresso-machine-with-flow-control-anthracite
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc,
I am referring to the face of the machine and not the side panels - housing. It would be nice to see an anthracite option in full machine
Antonios
Hope there's a wood accent mod for this and or painted versions. Tired of most machines being all polished stainless / chrome.
Same
Hi D, I suspect there will be more wood accents available in the future. Currently at minimum there is an olive wood bottomless portafilter: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-olive-wood-portafilter
Marc
It does
Thank you for great video. ECM amazing quality and features are well known. Glad they are pushing the limits and innovating to bring features at lower price points. Great day for coffee geeks and Made my Sunday!
Hey dude, You're welcome!
Marc
After being on BTC Mode you’re not going to want to go back to just HX mode. I’ve been using this machine for almost a month on BTC Mode. Now I came from another Heat exchanger without any of this. Although with that machine I really didn’t flush much. Once I turned off BTC mode - man I hade to flush it says ready which is for excellent operation but man I’m lazy now. BTC mode got me lazy. You don’t have to do anything but kick up the steam at the end of the pull. 🎉
Hey May, Thanks for sharing your experience!
Marc
So it's ECM's answer to the MaraX! I'm excited! let's see Bezzera's take next!
Perhaps but what price?
wonder if I should get this instead of the syncronika or the profitec 700
Hey Matt, a definite consideration. Synchronika and Pro 700 are essentially identical to each other internally with same specs and capabilities. The Mechanika Max is less $$ and has similar brew temp stability in lower volume usage. All three can be purchased with flow control - currently a free upgrade. Some user will appreciate additional features built into the Max like programmable on/off times and programmable active and passive pre-infusion. The 700 and Synchronika have class leading steam power at 2 bar that's always available while the Mechanika Max's high end is about 1.5 bar in normal HX mode. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Does the Synchronika not have the programmable on/off times feature as well? Thanks
For reference, what's the maximum capacity VST basket that will fit into the spouted portafilter?
22g.
22g baskets as mentioned by @Drazen Babich 👌
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks!
Super video (like all of them). Perhaps I missed it but I didn't see a 5oz steamed milk test. Do you have that? thanks.
HI S, Thanks for the comment. We did not do the milk steaming test in this video. I have tested a previous vewrsion of the machine and times range from 21-28 seconds for 5oz to ~140F depending on the temperature setting. I would expect similar performance when running in steam temp priority. Hope that helps!
Marc
I keep coming back to this video, I have had my barista express for 11 years now and ready to upgrade to a decent HX machine, do you think this is the best heat exchanger machine at the moment that will last me 11+ more years? I have been looking at the new rocket apartamento also.
Hi b, thanks for the question. If you kept a Barista Express running for 11 years you'll have no problem getting 11 years out of the Max. It's a higher level build quality! "Best" means different things to different people. I can say the Max is at the top of capabilities in HX machines with a deep feature set, dual PID and operation modes, plumbability, active and passive pre-infusion, flush alert and time of day on/off. It's a deep feature set that takes a little programming effort to get full advantage.
I've been working with the new Appartamento TCA for about a month now. It's a much simpler machine with 4 basic PID controlled temperature settings. It's a good option for those who want things easy and are not interested in going high-end hobby level into crafting espresso extractions. Set it to the medium temp for dark roast and high for light roast and that's about it.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much for the reply, I think I’m dead set on the max but I prefer the look of the rocket😂 thank you👍
Max!
Is the drip tray set up to accommodate a drain hose? Using a PID probe and display to show an accurate HX flush is a great idea.
Hi Kevin, the drip tray is not predrilled for drain connection but does have a dimple in the center where one could be added. Agree the flush advisor based on the 2nd PID probe is a great idea!
Marc
I really dig the ECM products. I was looking at the Mechanika for my upgrade from my Gaggia Classic, but now the Max maybe the one I go with! Thanks for another great video!
Hey Joe, You're welcome and thanks for the comment - one heck of an upgrade from the Classic!
@@Wholelattelovepage Haha, sure is! The price jump is painful! Hoping to pull the trigger by end of year! ;)
One thing that does strike me in this machine is that it has the same issue as my Technika (& other machines) and that is the steam pipe is directly above a mains switch and LED.
My steam pipe developed a slow drip at the join with the steam valve. Water dripped onto the power LED and caused it to short out. It was a cheap fix - about a dollar for a new LED and resistor, but water on mains power does not thrill me.
They have a shield over the electronics - extending that shield over the power switch and LED to direct water away would be good.
Hiya Marc... Another great presentation. Really like the 3 mode's in brewing on this One...😊
Hey J, Thanks for the comment - great to hear from you!
Thanks for the great review! I am struggle to compare Profitec 600 vs. Mechanika Max. I like the build quality of ECM and its time scheduling function, but other things seems to go to the Pro 600. I am pulling two shots every morning for milk drink. Enjoy the latte as well as making it. Which one shall I pick?
Thanks Marc. So if the Mechanika now features HX internals with a rotary pump, where does this place higher model Technika in the ECM product line? The Mecha Max now appears more feature rich than the current and not so old Technika V Pro. Thanks.
Hi DB, The Mechanika Max does add some features - and at a very attractive price point! In comparison, while the finishing on the Max is excellent the Technika has more detailed casework with fully wrapped edges.
Marc
Perfect timing! Can't wait for the link to be active!👍🏻
Hope you enjoy it! Here it is: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-mechanika-max-espresso-machine
Marc
Great! Where can I buy original spare parts for ECM espresso machines? I need the tray


If in US/Canada contact us here for availability of spare parts for ECM machines: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us
Marc
Great video Mark. Machines are getting better but such tiny baby steps with these electronic controls when iPads have been out for years. The processing power and memory required to do anything you could ever want these machines to do is so tiny, it would fit in a box smaller than a watch yet these companies just won't invest in a good touch screen control. Two buttons and a tiny screen? That was the update to the PID unit? Wow. What about just a wifi antenna inside and put out an app that sets all the temps, pre-infusion-brew time, everything! So slow to update. Very frustrating for such expensive units.
My thoughts exactly. It is bizarre that most of the features are to fix deficiencies in the E61/HX/lever design and uses a display that is so obsolete that nothing else I own works this way. Even my meat thermometer is better than this design.
@@TomJones-tx7pb Well put! These machines are great quality and design but the mind set with the management is so restricted that they refuse to innovate. There is nothing worse than putting a new air conditioning in your home and being told by the company that you must use their touch screen thermostat and then it won't even register your finger touches after it's installed. Total trash because the company refuses to do it right. The Rocket R Nine One has a great touch screen but reviews still state that you must "press the screen hard" to get it to register your touches... on a $6500.00 machine! You could buy the bottom line iPad and just bolt it to the front and get a better screen than the Rocket R Nine One. Just find the best touch screen technology and do it right. Not this system of choose bcT, BC1, BC2, BC3 by having to do specific single button push sequences... all this should be displayed simultaneously on a touch screen display so you can see what is currently set and just push the other one when you need it instead of this idiotic menu system on a half inch display. It's 2023 for Christmas sakes! Even Rocket missed the mark with only five total menu settings for profile saving and you still can't store the pull you just did anywhere other than the star location, which then can't be permanently stored in one of only five memory slots. Really? Only five? I have over 25,000 photos on my damn iPhone and they can't store more than five pulls in memory and "no, you can't save what you just did to a permanent memory slot, it can only be saved to the star location and then that will get erased next time you want to store what you just pulled." It's like a two year old programmed these things! Get a teenager who understands programming to do this for your companies. Logical mind who understands memory, RAM, touch screen technology and responsiveness, waterproof needs and do it right! Come on ECM... Rocket... everyone else in the espresso industry!
@@bertraminc9412 And with a larger display, maybe you could use meaningful English words rather than things like "BC1, BC2". A good clue that you are doing rubber band engineering is when you cannot explain on the display what the settings are for, or even why you need them in the first place. I used to send engineers back to the drawing board when they came up with solutions that required the user to do settings instead of figuring out how to make it "just work".
@@TomJones-tx7pb Oh don't get me started. When I call Apple and I tell them some code is broken, I get, "well you just have to do this....".... and I stop them and point out that this is the definition of "it doesn't work!" Exactly. If you can't put full proper words for the setting on a display, you're display might be too small. Steve Jobs had a great talk where he discussed one of the hardest things to do as a manager at a tech company.... telling brilliant engineers and programmers, "no". i don't think Tim Cook knows what no means.
True. Love ECM but I don't think this is a 'smart' machine in 2023. Real innovation comes from new names in the industry like Meticulous.
How would you set this machine for the active and passive pre infusion using the tank. Not plub. ?
Hi May, "AUS" (Advanced User Settings) must be turned on in the menu. Set "PI" (pre infusion) to on. Set "PrA" (active pre infusion) to time in seconds you want pump to run for the pre infusion. Set "PrP" (passive pre infusion) to time in seconds for the delay desired before the pump comes back on. Here's a video which covers all menu settings available on the Mechanika Max: ECM Mechanika Max Menu Operations Tutorial: ua-cam.com/video/JiWUAA1kVP0/v-deo.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
Is there a function to view the current temp of the brew group? Thanks for the video
Hi Jay, Yes, when running in brew temperature control mode the the display shows the current temperature of water circulating in the E61 brew group's thermosiphon loop.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the reply! I should have specified. I was wondering if it is possible to view the brew group temp while in HX mode? I imagine this would make it possible for someone to use flushing to precisely control the brew temp in HX mode. Thanks again!
@@jayborgmann Roger. If you are in normal HX mode then switch the machine into BTC mode it will display the current temperature in the brew group thermosiphon loop. The flush advisor serves the same function. When you flush it lets you know when the probe in the loop is registering the brew temp you set in t1. It does not show you the temp in the display - just says "RDY".
Marc
Is there a drain line for the drip tray?
Hey tommy, thanks for the question. No line for the drip tray. The tray is dimpled in center so you could drill and DIY.
Does this have the quick heat up mode like the other newer ECM machines?
Hi g, thanks for the question. No, the Mechanika Max does not have the Fast Heat Mode. Fast heat is only offered in select dual boiler and single boiler (SBDU) machines from ECM and Profitec. The Max uses a heat-exchange boiler. By design HX boiler machines heat to well beyond the desired brew temperature in the steam producing section of the boiler. That section of the boiler transfers heat to the isolated tube within the boiler which provides the brew water and thermosiphon flow to the E61 group. Hope that helps!
Marc
Question with the stainless steel boiler do we descale as usual or is their a special descale for stainless steel. ? Thanks one more think can I have flush advisor on in BTS mode?
Hi Mayb, The chemists at Urnex (manufacturer of most commonly used descaling products) advise any descaler can be used in stainless steel boilers. But, be aware machine manufactures recommend end users do not descale machines with heat exchange or dual boilers. The main reason is it's difficult to complete fill a steam boiler with descaling solution due to the head space in the boiler left to contain the steam. Also makes it difficult to complete rinse the boiler of descaler. Best course is to prevent scale in the first place by softening the water (reducing calcium). Filter options from BWT exchange calcium in water with magnesium leaving a mineral level needed for flavor and corrosion protection without risk of scale formation.
Options for reservoir fed machines:
BWT Aqualizer: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-aqualizer-2-6-l-pitcher-with-illuminated-baselight
BWT Bestsave in reservoir pad filter: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-m-anti-scale-filter
For plumbed direct:
BWT Bestmax Premium: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package-w-besthead-flex
For the flush advisor, it only operates when running with BTC turned off.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage yes it does thank you I have the older bwt pitcher is their a new filter that goes in there ?
@@Maybaby1959 Hi, filter for the pitcher has not changed. Same works in old and new version: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-3-pack-of-replacement-magnesium-filter-cartridges
I am at the crossroad of upgrading my Isomac Venus. I like my milk drinks and was wondering is there a difference between the Max and the Technika V Profi steaming power?
Hey r, They will be fairly similar depending on how you have the Max set. If you run the Max in brew temperature control mode you'll have to tell the machine you want to bring the boiler up to steaming temperature during an extraction - it gets there fairly quickly. If you run in normal HX mode then steam is always available and you can turn the boiler temp up a bit for more steam. That increases the brew temp so you'll likely need to flush the group prior to the extraction - but the Max's Flush Advisor will let you know when needed and for how long.
Hope that helps!
Marc
I’m confused how this differs from the Technica Profi IV PID?
Hi Mark, the Mechanika Max has brew temperature control mode and flush advisor driven by the 2nd PID probe in the E61 thermosiphon loop. Also has time programmable active and passive pre-infusion and programmable on/off times.
Marc
Hi Marc, I was told that with the Technica Profi PID, it wasn’t necessary to flush the group head as the PID kept the group head at the right temperature. However from this I gather it doesn’t do that good a job. Therefore does the mechanika max make machines like the Technica Machine redundant?
@@marklearner3299 Hi Mark, HX boiler machines with PID are much better at holding desired temps than older HX machines operating under pressurestat control. But temps can creep up in some if left on and idle for long periods. Variables like PID temp setting, ambient temps and even whether the portafilter is left in the group when idle have an impact.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc, I really appreciate your explanation.
Marc can I use pre infusion and passive pre infusion together on tank mode the booklet says they don’t recommend using in tank mode am I reading it right
Hey M, When running from tank you can (and should) use Active pre-infusion and Passive pre-infusion together. Active pre-infusion runs the pump for the time set in PrA. Passive pre-infusion follows Active pre-infusion and pauses the pump for the time set in PrP.
When running from a plumbed in connection only Passive pre-infusion should be used.
Here's my video explaining all menu functions in detail: ECM Mechanika Max Menu Operations Tutorial ua-cam.com/video/JiWUAA1kVP0/v-deo.html
Marc
My household is having a “which espresso machine to upgrade to” showdown, and we’ve come down to the final two… this one (my choice) and the bezzera matrix (my husbands choice). We’re looking for the programmability that both of these machines offer, and when we get into the custom upgrades I want with ECM (walnut accents and bottomless portafilter) the difference in cost isn’t that significant. That being said, I am the person who maintains our current machine, and I am terrified of dual boilers and the idea that you should not descale them personally, but take them in to be serviced. We will be using either a BWT penguin filter or distilled water to add third wave water to, so I know in theory scale should be at a minimum, but it seems like everything I read says they should still be descaled on a semi regular basis. If that’s the case I would think that would add an extra cost and downtime for that machine that would knock a dual boiler out of contention.
Or am I mistaken and if you use the proper water descaling isn’t really an issue?
Hi km, If you use the BWT Penguin filter as directed scale will not form in the machine. Some 3rd wave formulations may result in scale. If you go with a plumbable machine you could use a BWT Bestmax premium in-line filter to eliminate scale potential: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package-w-besthead-flex
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks so much Marc! I really appreciate your input
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Hi, Thanks for thé vidéo. I have a few questions. What is the warmup time? What is the cup clearance? In the video you show a graph where reaching brew temperatures can take 5, 6 or 8 minutes depending on which mode you are in. Is this the recovery time after the 3 minute steam bump? Thanks
Hi BdlT, Thanks for the questions. Full warmup time is ~25 minutes, cup clearance 3.5", Graph shows times after pulling a shot where the machine returns to set brew temperature in a range of 1 minute 10 seconds to 1 minute 30 seconds. So ready to pull another shot at set brew temp in that time frame. If you do not, then temperature overshoots and re-stabilizes in the 5 to 8 minute time frame. The graph does not refer to heating after the steam bump.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Profitec Drive, ECM Synchronika or the new ECM Mechanika??? All good machines just trying to decide which one to buy.. Thank you Dan Albuquerque.
Hi Dan, Thanks for the question. Yes they are all good! I recently posted this video on the Profitec Drive: ua-cam.com/video/ouG30LITDy4/v-deo.html
The Drive and Synchronika are dual boiler machines while the Max is an advanced heat-exchange boiler with dual PID to overcome some of the limitations of HX boilers in relation to prioritizing brew temp accuracy against steam pressure. Internally, the Drive (based off the Profitec Pro 700) and Synchronika are nearly identical. The Drive has a new OLED screened control system that offers features not found on the Synchronika like Fast Heating, on/off by time of day, programmable active and passive pre-infusion and more. Hope that helps!
Marc
Help, please. The ECM Mechanika Max or the Mechanika Slim VI? I am a newbie. I had decided to get the Mechanika Slim VI, but then I saw the Max and am now torn. Thanks.
Hey Sherwood, The Max is an advanced version of the Slim. It's PID controlled and has a ton of features available. If you're a newbie there will be a bit of a learning curve but if you're committed it's a much more powerful machine with the additional features. Max uses a commercial grade rotary pump and is plumbable direct to waterline if desired. Slim uses a vibration pump and is not plumbable. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the two machines: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NDI5MTY0MTYwNjE5OCwxNTQ2MDQwNTA4NDc1
Currently excellent price on the Max with flow control: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-mechanika-max-espresso-machine-with-flow-control
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you.
Okay, so this new machine has a few control assistants and it's good, for sure, but still how to achieve the same precision on a dual boiler like a Synchronika?
Hi B, The Synchronika is precise by design with an isolated boiler dedicated to providing brew water. The Mechanika Max gets the precision when running in brew temp control mode. That mode uses a PID probe in the thermosiphon loop to drive heating of the heat-exchange boiler and prevent overheating of brew water typical in machines with HX boilers.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the reply, probably HX boilers need that cooling flush.
Two different machines it’s a heat exchanger. Not a double boiler but with the probe at the group head area it’s a quasi dual. Still a heat exchanger
How would you compare it to Sanremo Cube?
Hi C, Full disclosure I have not used the Cube. From what I understand it's a vibration pump, HX boiler machine. The Max is a dual PID machine with a variety of ways to control temps and extra features like the flush advisor when running in standard HX mode. Max has programmable active and passive pre-infusionMax is also HX boiler but with dual PID there's more flexibility in how temperatures are controlled. Max uses a rotary pump. They are quieter than vibration pumps.
Hope that helps!
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks. BTW Cube is in two versions R (with rotary pump and display) and V with vibration pump.
When deciding between this or the synchronika, is it mostly down to fresher brew water on the max, vs steam power on the sync? Whilst clearly good, does the sync have better temp control for espresso? I mainly drink espresso with the occasional milk drink.
Hi T, Yes dual boiler Synchronika has tighter control of temps for espresso.
Marc
Marc I use spring water your in Ny so I go to Shoperite and use their brand. Now the ppm is about 36 or so can I run that spring through the bwt for added minerals when I do it bumps it to about 46 all neutral on the ph green. Am I good to go. I don’t want to use tap. Tap without bwt is about 250 ppm. Through the bwt knocks it down to 146. What do you think. Thanks
Hi M, the 36-46ppm is highly unlikely to result in scale in the machine. Honestly it's a little light in mineral content. It's fine for the machine but some expert tasters might find the flavor a little flat. The BWT should be able to deal with tap water at 250ppm. Understand much of the 146ppm after BWT treatment is reading from the magnesium that replaced the calcium. mg does not cause scale and the calcium has been reduced enough that it will not either.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage so tap is better through bwt. Also have a pouch in the tank.
Is this machine eligible for the free flow control upgrade offer for ECM and Profitec machines?
Hi Carl, Yes. Not sure how long the offer will continue but the Max is currently available with free flow control upgrade. Should be on the site soon. For now you can call in to get the offer: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us
Marc
When does the upgrade offer end?
Should I get this machine or Profitec Pro 600, they are same price on WLL
Hi DN, Depends on what's important to you. Considerations: Pro 600 is not plumbable and uses a vibration pump, does not have programmable pre-infusion but can be equipped with flow control (so can the Max) for similar capabilities, The machines have similar brew temp stability but recovery is faster in the 600, Pro 600 uses turning knobs on the steam/hot water valves, Max has the joystick levers, Max has programmable on/off times and 600 does not. Portafilters on the Max are angled, 600 PFs are straight, 600 has always available best in class steaming power at 2 bar of pressure, in normal HX mode top pressure on the Max is ~1.5 bar.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage
I am properly not do plumbing. One question about the pump, the profitec pro 600 has vibration pump and the Max has rotary pump. Will it make difference in pressure consistency?
Thanks,
Duy Nguyen
@@duynguyen2804 No difference in pressure consistency. There is a difference in how fast it comes up to full pressure. Rotary pumps get there faster. Also difference in stock flow rates. Vibration pumps are 7-8 grams per second and rotary is 10-11.
Marc
Hi. I bought this machine a few days ago and the pressure needle does not work stably, it constantly vibrates. I wonder why? All other functions are smooth.
Hi N, some vibration of the pressure needle is normal. If you believe it's excessive and purchased the machine from us you can contact our tech support staff here for assistance: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us
Hi, how easy is it to change the pressure on this machine if you wanted to change from 9 bar? I noticed in the video during the internal tour there was a round hole underneath the rotary pump but wasn't sure if that was to do with the adjustment.
Hi EW, Yes, the hole does allow access to the bypass adjustment of the rotary pump where one can adjust brew pressure.
Marc
First ever? What about the Mara X from Lelit?
First ever for 2023 😂
I thought the same thing. I’m not saying these two are identical in their offerings but MaraX definitely offered a “solution” years back to the typical HX issues and need for flushing. MaraX was the first one to introduce brew priority mode overriding the need for a cooling flush. Anyway I feel like some may argue that ECM offers superior reliability or quality build 🤷🏻♂️ but I’m almost sure that Lelit was the first one to innovate on this regard. Even though MaraX has two internal PIDs and brew temperature settings some may prefer to have an actual PID controller. I’d argue that most won’t be able to tell a difference in the cup by going up or down one degree.
@@CarlosVargas-js8qz and for the price, mara x hands down!
@@CarlosVargas-js8qz and they probably do, but also at a different price point. It‘s only logical that other vendors follow suit, but Lelit was the first (I know of) to introduce a second temp. probe for the brew water.
Hi, @Carlos Vargas and @Peter thanks for the commentary. Lelit may have been first with a solution but the Mechanika Max takes it to another level. A key advantage is always knowing exactly what the temperature is in the thermosiphon loop. In brew temp control mode the display shows it. Running in standard HX mode the flush advisor uses your t1 temp setting to alert when a flush is needed, when the flush has you at your set temp or when you're under set temperature. There's no guessing where you are on the Max. I agree some users wouldn't know the difference in a couple of degrees of brew temp but some will. And, with no way of knowing what the temps are the difference could be much greater. Additional features like rotary pump, programmable active and passive pre-infusion allow for repeatable profiles and pre-infusion whether your running from the reservoir or the plumbed connection. Shot timer, programmable on/off times, cleaning and filter reminders, easy access to E11 offset adjustments and yes, the build quality and cleaner internal design add to the package. The Max is a more expensive machine so not surprising it has more going on.
Marc
I'm considering this. May I ask how high does the pressure go for milk frothing, and how does that compare to the Synchronica? Thank You.
Hi Dale, Thanks for the question. Max (lol) steam pressure is ~1.5 bar when running in standard HX mode and t2 boiler temp is turned all the way up. Synchronika can reach ~2 bar at max steam boiler temp setting. Hope that helps!
Marc
Synk is dual boiler 2 bar pressure. Max heat exchanger but the frothing is excellent. On btc control I like the even frothing. But with the max just before you end your shot hit the left button it kicks the steam up a lot double click and it will kick steam to the max.
Hi. Awesome video. One quick question, is it possible to adjust the pressure from the top, in a similar way as with the Mechanika Slim?
Hi Diego, Thanks for the comment and question. The Mechanika Max uses a rotary pump so brew pressure is adjusted at the bypass on the pump. That's accessible underneath the machine. One can adjust the pressure with the machine operating by carefully hanging one rear leg of the machine over the edge of a countertop.
Marc
Can you add flow control to this when purchasing?
Hi B, Yes you can. Right here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-mechanika-max-espresso-machine-with-flow-control
Marc
I have had a Mechanika Max for a few days so am still getting used to it's capabilities. The menu is fairly intuitive and it is producing good shots. I have, however, been defeated by the schedule function. Whatever time I set for on and off, for weekday or weekend nothing happens. Can anybody help. I maybe missing something but have been through the manual, this helpful review and an associated tutorial multiple times!
Hi AA, Thanks for the report on your Mechanika Max and the question. For the schedule to run the Timer Standby (sby) function must be turned on. Turning sby on/off makes it easy to globally turn off the schedule if you will not be using machine. Hope that helps!
Marc
I thought I had solved it but, sadly, not. I have done all the things you suggest and set up the schedule. The clock is set and machine in SBy but nothing happens. I will use a simple timer and wait to see if I have a flash of inspiration!
So you have the standby function set to on within the menu system?
See this video for how to turn standby on within the machine's programming ua-cam.com/video/JiWUAA1kVP0/v-deo.html
@@Wholelattelovepage Yes. I found your video tutorial a great help for setting all the other parameters but just cannot get the timer to work. I don't think I am missing anything obvious and it sounds as though several other users are similarly challenged. I will attack the issue with a fresh brain tomorrow. Thanks for your ongoing support and great videos.
Marc, I love this machine, my favorite
Hey TC, Thanks for the comment - a lot of power and unique options in the Max. Probably the most advanced HX boiler machine available.
Marc
Hi Mark, I have a question which is not relative to the posted video.
My question is about trying different baskets. We have seen Wafo lately. We know pretty well the VST and Pullman.
Do you find the extraction yield an important aspect for the espresso taste ? Does it deserve to try and taste different baskets ?
Hi K, Thanks for the question. We do occasionally measure extraction yields with refractometer. If working with a single coffee one may find they prefer its flavor at a particular yield but it's hard to compare different coffees using extraction yields. The yield doesn't correlate in a general way to flavor. Baskets do make a difference. Flow rates and shape differ between baskets leading to changes in grind size and flow through the puck which change flavor.
Marc
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Hi Mark! I have been really enjoying watching your reviews of espresso machines, so much info but told in a very understandable and clear way. I'm wondering which to choose. the Mechanika Max or the Technika V profi from ECM. It's my first real semi automatic machine but I don't want to start from a bare bones model and regret it later on. The programming options are very appealing for us as well as the engineering behind the machine and ease of use. What are the real differences between the two? Both are HX and rotary, right? Thanks so much. Ayla
Hi Ayla, Thanks for the kind comment and question. Yes, both are HX boiler rotary pump machines. Both are very capable machines. The Max is a more recent design with a lot of extra capabilities. If the additional options appeal to you I would go with the Max.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for your reply! That's exactly what I needed to know. There are so many machines out there and it will be my first foray into the prosumer class of machines. thanks so much and keep up your wonderful positivity! great to watch your videos.
@@AylaRyan-e4q You're welcome!
Marc
Hiya Marc when is the review for the Giga 10 Jura coming?
Hey Matt, Looks like it's 2-3 weeks out. I have the machine in-house now going through the getting to know you phase!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage yay!!! I’m really looking forward to this. When you do the video can you please make it clear how easy it is (or not) to use this in conjunction the Jura cool control and also the rinse process it does 8 minutes after making a milk drink. Also can you let me know the measurement in CM of the machine in height with the beam hopper height included. Need to know it will fit under my cupboard… anymore than 44cm would be a problem… Also does it work from the apple Siri smart system too. Sorry for all the questions but I don’t want to waste my money if it’s not EXACTLY like I want it to be!🤣🤣
Great video! We have been on this “get a new machine” fence for over a year. We’re drooling over the Synchonica but it’s out of our budget. I get annoyed at the loudness of vibration pumps and I’m not wanting a complicated machine. Unlike a few comments I do not want touch screens, I am a bit old school and still use my old alarm clock 😂! We we’re looking at the 400 but now I’m wondering if this would be a good option. We like pre infusion. We make mostly lattes and americanos.
Does the drip tray pull straight out or do you have to tilt it?
Can you do two milk drinks back to back while keeping the temp control mode on? We rarely pump out three drinks but it might happen.
How long to steam a pitcher of milk in E2mode?
Hubs wondering will this be too complicated for his wife (me) who gets grumpy before coffee😂.
Hey Lise, Welcome back!
1. To pull the drip tray it's a tiny tilt up and then it slides right off.
2. With BTC (brew temp mode) on you'd hit the down button while pulling your shot so the boiler starts heating for steaming. In a few seconds the boiler will pass 1.2 bar and you can start steaming. The boiler will continue to heat for 3 minutes then automatically return to BTC. If your milk drinks are single shots split a double shot into 2 cups, hit the down button while extracting and you'll have plenty of steam/time to froth for both. If using double shots for the 2 drinks when your pulling the second double hit the down button and you will have plenty of steam for 3 minutes.
If pumping out the milk drinks you'd be better off running in standard HX mode and using the flush advisor in between extractions. In standard HX mode you always have full steam power available.
3. In standard HX mode steaming 5oz/150ml it's probably ~20 seconds to reach 140F/60C in the pitcher. That can vary a +/- a few seconds based on starting milk temp and your t2 (boiler temperature) setting
4. At first glance there's a lot of control available with the 2 buttons and it may seem complicated. But it's very easy to use and quickly becomes second nature. And, one of the few machines of its type with programmable on/off times - that's gonna help with the grumpy before coffee crowd. It can be all heated up and ready to go for you😜.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage we drink double shot latte. Need that extra kick at our age. How will that fair out to make two back to back at 6 am? As always I truly value all your comments and opinions… even when your pour coffee underwater 😎
@@Wholelattelovepage Buck I just reread. Ok so the HX mode probably better. I don’t want Sticky crema for my latte art 😜! Do you think the drip tray sludge with slosh out when you tilt?
@@lisegagne3716 Saw that 🤿! I'd use the machine with BTC on and while pulling your second double push the button to kick up the boiler temp for 3 minutes. It's a very slight tilt up to remove the tray so unless it's very close to overflowing in the first place no risk of sloshy sludge.
@@Wholelattelovepage ok thanks! It’s all coming together here. In BTC the group temp is the priority managed by the down arrow to jack up the steam, in HX the steam temp is priority managed by the up or down visual to raise or lowers the group temp. I still think a DB is best but I do see how this could be a great option for us at the PP! Cheers Buck thanks for testing out all this gear for us it’s very helpful ☕️
So why would anyone pay more money for the Technika V with a vibe pump? What am I missing?
Hi k, Only Technika V we carry has a rotary pump. Maybe the "V" is leading you to believe it has vibration pump? In this case the "V" is Roman numeral for 5 www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-technika-v-profi-pid
@@Wholelattelovepage Sorry, correct you are, thought V was for Vibe!! :)
Does the 16” height include the cup rails?
That is correct. The 16" height also includes the cup rails.
it seems like every day i find a new machine to compare.
i’ve been eyeing the bezzera aria for a while now, but the technika v profi pid caught my attention. my issue with that one was brew temp read from the boiler, which the mechanika max solves.
would you recommend the mechanika max over the aria? i mostly make milk-based drinks, and i care about aesthetics, build quality, ease of use, steaming power, and temp stability
Max
I still don’t get what the 3 modes are about. If it is a PID machine.. allows you to set both steam boiler and group temperature + the amazing flush indicator… Then why to bother with the other modes? Also.. do they come with preset temperatures ?
Three modes for when your NOT using in HX MODE
A highly needed update for the Mechanika.
Is it still as narrow as the Mechanika Slim?
The Mara X had these features for years now. Too bad that they used such a tiny display instead of an app, its 2023!
Who would want to set up a schedule for every day if there is the option of a wifi plug?
The Mechanika always had rotary valves, it was a design element, now there is not much 'mechanical' anymore.
Are the arms non burn?
Hi Dune, Thanks for the comment. Arms are no burn. Going to quick steam valves is response to consumer demand who've voiced a preference. They are still mechanical. As for the display, I know a few are clamoring for app controlled machines while others prefer more classic operation. Wifi plugs are an option - and one I've recommend consistently. Even with that I'm surprised with the number of reqeusts I get for built in on/off timing functions.
This or the Profitec 600? 🤔
Hi BT23, Depends on your use case. If doing mostly milk drinks in higher volumes I'd go Pro 600.
Looks like a souped up Lelit MaraX. If that machine's got a weak point, it's the pump only doing about 5.3ml/s water debit. Clearly, a rotary can do substantially more than that.
Hi David, Thanks for the comment. Yes, a lot more precision going on with the Max. I have a MaraX in the building but have not measured its flow rate. If it is 5.3 g/s that is rather low. Typical vibration pump runs 7-8 and rotary pumps go 10-11.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage it's the low power (and therefore low noise) Olab pump that they use. It doesn't have the throughput of a standard Ulka vibe.
Thanks for sharing. This Mechanika Max is wonderful. But frankly speaking, the display menu is way too complicated. Who could memorize those countless fonctions ?? It's a bit of a mood killer for me.
Hey marc, Thanks for the comment. When I first used the machine it seemed like a lot. But it didn't take long to internalize the available functions.
Marc
Beautiful machine! Thanks for the video!
Hi Janice, You are welcome!
Marc
What are the dimensions?
Hi MB, Dimension are: 10.5"W x 17.6" D x 15.8" H (26.7cm x 44.8cm x 40cm)
Marc
Is this brew control the same as the Breville Oracle Touch functionality, which measures boiler and the group independently (with the group having a heating element of its own)?
Hi NL, It's similar but a little different in that the Max is reading the temp within the constantly circulating water in the E61 thermosiphon loop.
Marc
This one or the Profitec 600? Hmmmm 🤔
Decisions... Both are fine machines. For steaming, Pro 600 is more flexible with and has more power if you want it. On the other hand the Max has larger feature set with the pre-infusion modes, etc.
Marc
HX finally done right
True they are the first to have a deep design for this a lot of electronics on this machine and it works well. The rotary pump is smaller so it has to wind up faster you get a slight whine but it’s still quieter than a vib pump
Never stop making videos marc. This is a great one, great info, looks like an amazing machine. Do you find that most of the functions are necessary? I still make amazing coffee with my Technika profi
Hi dcds, Thanks for the kind comment. Technika Profi is an excellent, beautiful machine! The functions add to ease of use and capabilities. With the smart HX one can produce consistent brew temps without flushing and crank up the steam power when needed. Run the Max in standard HX mode and the flush advisor removes brew temp guesswork. Time programmable automatic active and passive pre-infusion help with extraction consistency and quality. Programmable on/off times are rare in classic style semi-automatic machines.
Marc
@7:33 Hi, Marc, - my flush advisor has a name: _ECM Synchronika_ ;-)
Hey AGCS, the best flush advisor!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Great video, Marc, as always from you!
We are enjoying our new coffee experience with a 100% Canephora (Robusta) from the African rain forrest in Guinea.
They have the interesting approach to treat and process their Canephora as carefully as you would normally do that with Arabica coffee.
So, they have installed the very first coffee-washing-machine in their region of the world ;-)
The coffee is incredibly smooth, has a great texture and it seems that it is conserving the “whole warmth of entire Africa” in it…
I am just wondering how such a great coffee from Macenta Beans would come out with the pre-infusion this _ECM Mechanika Max_ is offering…
See you ;-)
Great machine ☕☕
I find it really surprising these Italian companies are still trying to catch up to the BDB. For the prices they ask for, they should be able to do alot better. I'm glad the Bianca kind of gave these companies a kick in the butt, but they're still well behind the curve.
Hi Drift, Thanks for the comment. BDB is in the appliance category. Breville/Sage offered as a less costly alternative to the hand made machines out of Europe. BDB has lots of plastic and proprietary components. Not exactly user serviceable. Lelit makes machine grade alternatives but it's fair to say finishing quality like casework and fasteners is a little below that of manufacturers like ECM.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Agree, however, Technical Lelit push the envelope and new boundaries at the end good Espresso counts and the Bianca, Maria X or Elisabeth delivers . Not so important if the stainless is thicker or thinner it is the Espresso that counts!
I wish ECM made the Max in the Heritage Edition.
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You’re going to make me do it, aren’t you?
Hey Robert, doing it is up to you!
Marc
Too bad it's a lever steam. Won't be able to control the steam power
Hi HoYS, Like other HX boiler machines you can change the boiler temp to reduce or increase general steaming power. Most higher-end machines have gone to spring assisted valves which go from closed to fully open in about a 1/4 turn. It's a more reliable design.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc. Good to know. I'm torn between this ECM or Rocket Giotto or Profitec
it looks like a very complicated machine for first time user
Flush adviser seems great, but having to interpret a 3 digit symbol code is really unacceptable in this day and age. It was ok in the 80s on my old alarm clock 😂. All kidding aside, perhaps WLL can begin push these manufacturers to modernize their user interfaces. Even the Lelit Bianca display would be an upgrade.
Hi Net, I hear you on the display. There's this weirdness with putting digital displays on the face of classically styled espresso machines. Up until a few years ago Rocket Espresso wouldn't even consider a digital display on the face of their machines. Their feeling was it ruined the aesthetic. They finally came around when they added shot timers to the face of machines in their Chronometro line. But they still hide temp controls behind the drip tray or in removable displays on their Cinquantotto. Bezzera does have machines like the Matrix and Duo with a robust touchscreen display on the face of the machine.
Marc
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Hey Sandy, You did it again!
Marc