note that the abilities of the caster will not carry over the projection, since the projection is an entirely separate unit that just has the look and magic paths of the caster, so no safely dropping innate casters onto you opponents.
Hey - it's the thing we were talking about (: It's a really interesting spell, and I think it's interesting because of the limitations. I like the format of exploring more niche and specific spells / game elements in brief videos. I think it might be interesting to provide a brief strategical outlook as well: in which situations might this spell be useful, how would you use it in practice, what are pitfalls or challenges. Kind of a strategic contextualization. But some of that may lead you away from the shorter length.
Tried to get a feel similar to the winds of death video. Strategic outlook, brief, and Dominions is a tough combination. I think it would have to be a format of video1, like this one, explaining its use, and then a second video with some examples. My dumb ass tested most of these project self things in a live mp game that will show on my channel at some point, so ill definitely explain there...but not everyone watches those.
Only issue is how expensive that will quickly get! 5G per body. But technically...yeah it should work. I'm thinking how evil it would be with banefire or something. A handful of projections just spamming banefire. The aoe decay in theory would be on par with a remote attack... I dont think anything outside a pretender would have the paths.
Yeah, that does open a new perspective on those sacreds compared to my initial Feminie video. Goes to show how quickly the game can evolve as players discover new ways to do things.
@@ZanGames Posting this for posterity in case anyone else is interested: you can use the dom 6 mod inspector to search for any nation commanders with attribute mpath =~ g and mpath =~ s to find mages who could theoretically easily cast (with boosters) project self. This will give you a better idea of which nations to experiment with; the nations without naturally stealthy sacreds can take the stealth bless and get more out of it using their project self mages! Definitely a draw to experiment with stealth since its a new and rather unexplored bless.
From what i can tell, there are 2 chassis specific temp gem effects in the vanilla, although given how the projection works I'm unsure if this would allow you to bring gems into a fight with a projection. Of course, the larger issue is that you have either 1 temporary fire gem off of the Goat Sun, or 10 temporary astral gems off of kurgi (good luck there), but I suppose in theory you might be able to use one or the other to cast some kind of battlefield spell using a projection.
That should not work. As far as I know, how project self works on the back end is that it summons a new projection creature in the target province, then copies the magic paths and sprite of the original caster.
One niché use: If you have a pretender with at least E3S1G3 and rush evocation 5, your pretender has all the preconditions for casting both Ephemeral Blast and Gifts from Heaven, giving you the tools to deal significant damage to most of the types of units you'll be facing at around turns 15-20 (or earlier with good research), capable of soloing many independent provinces if any are still around, and even allowing you to do degrade enemy independent throne forces or armies in MP at a fairly low cost if they don't bring anybody with extreme range spells or swift troops such as flyers or cavalry. Which of course makes this useless against some nations, but against infantry based nations and independents it can be remarkably useful. Probably not worth doing unless you are playing a nation where rushing evocation makes some sense for the national mages, but I did say it was a niché use. Much better with higher earth (for less fatigue from GfH) and Glamour (for +1 AOE and +2 false damage per extra level for Ephemeral Blast) - if you are taking a high Glamour pretender for one of the incarnate blessings, Emphemeral Blast is surprisingly useful against anything with normal magic resistance, and you don't risk your pretender.
A strong spell script i found for project self was: summon earth power>Invulnerability>Pheonix Pyre >Soul vortex> (a spell based on what ur going up against usually, air shield or flying shield worked out for me) if the enemy runs alot of units you can theoretically have a immortal project self fighting armies solo
the only problem i found was that eventually your projection will be afflicted to hell (including mute) which can lower its combat capabilities but i have still won alot of test battles with that set up
That actually seems pretty awesome to clear out big PD provinces at no risk to a thug or mage! Writing that one down. Honestly with soul vortex I am not sure if the earthpower part will help too much?
@@ZanGames probably designed to cover the contingency where you die, respawn away from any sv-eligible targets, and then get hit again before you have a chance to drain your fatigue back below 100
06:20 "She has access to blood slaves." Um,... how? Where did the blood slaves come from? Did the scout bring them? They didn't show up in his inventory, but maybe they wouldn't? I can't think of anything else it could be, though. Or am I missing something?
Hey! The scout brings them! If a unit has previously snuck into a province with blood slaves, and then chooses the attack order on the same turn project self targets the province they will fight together!
I don't think they would as the projection is meant to be a newly summoned creature that just copies the sprite. But...if it worked that way, and i have not tested it, that would actually be pretty strong!
Nice video! I want to love this new spell but it does seem pretty limited. One very niche use case I think is cool, a sacred heavy nation can have a prophet use it to have at will divine blessing without risking the prophet.
It feels like it can synergize with other pasts than astral/glamour, so it feels very pretender-only to get the best use of it. But astral/glam can be good thug buff paths too so its not big deal. I think my favorite part of it is there is no risk to the caster, so empowering a G3 mage to S1 lets it project self for no risk.
The stealth unit has to hold the slaves in the province the projection is targeting. Projection brings nothing, only benefits from boosters. I am actually worried I didn't stress that enough in the video... The stealth unit has to be in the province the projection goes to, and then choosing an attack action. (or at least a non-stealth action). It doesn't work if the stealth unit is in a neighboring province moving in.
Yep! There is a certain range the slave has to be, but it doesn't matter who is holding them. This is super useful with Abysians, for example, who light slaves on fire when they are too close.
@@ZanGames I play for almost 4 years, with lots of Abysia matches and it's first time I heard about it. Humbling but important lesson. Good thing I follow your channel.
note that the abilities of the caster will not carry over the projection, since the projection is an entirely separate unit that just has the look and magic paths of the caster, so no safely dropping innate casters onto you opponents.
That is correct!
Hey - it's the thing we were talking about (:
It's a really interesting spell, and I think it's interesting because of the limitations.
I like the format of exploring more niche and specific spells / game elements in brief videos. I think it might be interesting to provide a brief strategical outlook as well: in which situations might this spell be useful, how would you use it in practice, what are pitfalls or challenges. Kind of a strategic contextualization.
But some of that may lead you away from the shorter length.
Tried to get a feel similar to the winds of death video. Strategic outlook, brief, and Dominions is a tough combination. I think it would have to be a format of video1, like this one, explaining its use, and then a second video with some examples.
My dumb ass tested most of these project self things in a live mp game that will show on my channel at some point, so ill definitely explain there...but not everyone watches those.
@@ZanGames Testing in a live environment gives reliable results, if nothing else (:
Mass project self -> communion master and communion slaves
"Looks like Hellpower bomb is back on the menu boys!"
Only issue is how expensive that will quickly get! 5G per body. But technically...yeah it should work.
I'm thinking how evil it would be with banefire or something. A handful of projections just spamming banefire. The aoe decay in theory would be on par with a remote attack... I dont think anything outside a pretender would have the paths.
Project self works very well for death mages as you don't need gems for horde of skeletons or animate death.
Yep! I actually had a D8 demilich as a meme to show, but cut it out for brevity.
Banefire sounds fun too...
Yeah though that's probably relegated to Pretenders; not much has D/G/S paths.
Great video Zan! Learned a lot!
Thank you! Looking forward to what you and others can cook up with this spell!
Very good video that anticipated multiple scenarios of use!!
Thank you!
Stealth stuff very interesting with feminie sacreds, having the option to bolster your raiding squad with some magic
Yeah, that does open a new perspective on those sacreds compared to my initial Feminie video. Goes to show how quickly the game can evolve as players discover new ways to do things.
@@ZanGames Posting this for posterity in case anyone else is interested: you can use the dom 6 mod inspector to search for any nation commanders with attribute mpath =~ g and mpath =~ s to find mages who could theoretically easily cast (with boosters) project self. This will give you a better idea of which nations to experiment with; the nations without naturally stealthy sacreds can take the stealth bless and get more out of it using their project self mages! Definitely a draw to experiment with stealth since its a new and rather unexplored bless.
I think any spell that would effectively read "kill self but everyone else too" would work great with this
The thing is, most of them cost gems, too.
I've been wanting to try that new super immolation spell. Looks fun! Dunno how to cast effectively though...
From what i can tell, there are 2 chassis specific temp gem effects in the vanilla, although given how the projection works I'm unsure if this would allow you to bring gems into a fight with a projection. Of course, the larger issue is that you have either 1 temporary fire gem off of the Goat Sun, or 10 temporary astral gems off of kurgi (good luck there), but I suppose in theory you might be able to use one or the other to cast some kind of battlefield spell using a projection.
That should not work. As far as I know, how project self works on the back end is that it summons a new projection creature in the target province, then copies the magic paths and sprite of the original caster.
And- is that a new microphone my ears are treated to?
Yep! Work in progress on tinkering with the settings...
@@ZanGames Nice - the improvement is noticeable!
One niché use: If you have a pretender with at least E3S1G3 and rush evocation 5, your pretender has all the preconditions for casting both Ephemeral Blast and Gifts from Heaven, giving you the tools to deal significant damage to most of the types of units you'll be facing at around turns 15-20 (or earlier with good research), capable of soloing many independent provinces if any are still around, and even allowing you to do degrade enemy independent throne forces or armies in MP at a fairly low cost if they don't bring anybody with extreme range spells or swift troops such as flyers or cavalry.
Which of course makes this useless against some nations, but against infantry based nations and independents it can be remarkably useful. Probably not worth doing unless you are playing a nation where rushing evocation makes some sense for the national mages, but I did say it was a niché use.
Much better with higher earth (for less fatigue from GfH) and Glamour (for +1 AOE and +2 false damage per extra level for Ephemeral Blast) - if you are taking a high Glamour pretender for one of the incarnate blessings, Emphemeral Blast is surprisingly useful against anything with normal magic resistance, and you don't risk your pretender.
That stealth attack going in thing is very interesting...I might have to use that at some point heh.
Out of everything shown here, it is by far my most used.
A strong spell script i found for project self was:
summon earth power>Invulnerability>Pheonix Pyre >Soul vortex> (a spell based on what ur going up against usually, air shield or flying shield worked out for me)
if the enemy runs alot of units you can theoretically have a immortal project self fighting armies solo
the only problem i found was that eventually your projection will be afflicted to hell (including mute) which can lower its combat capabilities but i have still won alot of test battles with that set up
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The projection gets afflicted? That seems bizarre. But only in that particular battle, I assume.
That actually seems pretty awesome to clear out big PD provinces at no risk to a thug or mage! Writing that one down. Honestly with soul vortex I am not sure if the earthpower part will help too much?
@@ZanGames probably designed to cover the contingency where you die, respawn away from any sv-eligible targets, and then get hit again before you have a chance to drain your fatigue back below 100
Do shrouds have their effect on a projected mage?
They should not. Easiest way to imagine the spell is that is summons a new creature as a replica of the mage, transferring over current paths only.
06:20 "She has access to blood slaves."
Um,... how? Where did the blood slaves come from? Did the scout bring them? They didn't show up in his inventory, but maybe they wouldn't? I can't think of anything else it could be, though. Or am I missing something?
Hey! The scout brings them!
If a unit has previously snuck into a province with blood slaves, and then chooses the attack order on the same turn project self targets the province they will fight together!
does hellpower still horror mark the unit? if so, does it horror mark the projection or the original caster?
It will try to horror mark the projection, which is both mindless and a completely separate unit. 0 repercussions to the original caster.
do titan chassis's that generate temp gems have those available as a projection?
I don't think they would as the projection is meant to be a newly summoned creature that just copies the sprite. But...if it worked that way, and i have not tested it, that would actually be pretty strong!
Sorry. But i could never get this spell to proc in enemy province. It always comes back with mage cast project self message without any combat footage
That is weird? It should at least trigger a magic phase attack on the enemy province. Similar to call of the winds, or arouse hunger.
Nice video! I want to love this new spell but it does seem pretty limited. One very niche use case I think is cool, a sacred heavy nation can have a prophet use it to have at will divine blessing without risking the prophet.
It feels like it can synergize with other pasts than astral/glamour, so it feels very pretender-only to get the best use of it. But astral/glam can be good thug buff paths too so its not big deal.
I think my favorite part of it is there is no risk to the caster, so empowering a G3 mage to S1 lets it project self for no risk.
Very useful, thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
So who brought the blood slaves? was it the stealthy attackers or the project self mage? Great video, makes hellpower spam horrors even more awesome!
The stealth unit has to hold the slaves in the province the projection is targeting. Projection brings nothing, only benefits from boosters.
I am actually worried I didn't stress that enough in the video...
The stealth unit has to be in the province the projection goes to, and then choosing an attack action. (or at least a non-stealth action). It doesn't work if the stealth unit is in a neighboring province moving in.
@@ZanGames Thanks for answering this question. I was really confused about how that was working.
Wait wait wait. Blood mage can use slaves that are not assigned to him?
Yep! There is a certain range the slave has to be, but it doesn't matter who is holding them.
This is super useful with Abysians, for example, who light slaves on fire when they are too close.
@@ZanGames I play for almost 4 years, with lots of Abysia matches and it's first time I heard about it. Humbling but important lesson. Good thing I follow your channel.
@@Karboomer i learn something new every week!
I cast lightning bolt!
Shocking!
Appreciate these btw.