Becoming an electrician via the City and Guilds 2365 diploma route? This is Aidan's experience
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2021
- These videos are produced to help enable people looking to join the electrical, have a clearer picture of what that journey may look like. For example the course length, the cost, getting a job at the other end, on going training, and what avenues are open to you once you complete the course.
Aiden reached out to me to discuss his route into the industry via the City and Guild 2365 levels 2 and 3, which were both 12 months long two evenings a week.
Like many others, Aiden felt that the school pushed him down the academic route because he had good grades, when they should have paid more attention to what he was spending his pocket money on. As such, he ended up in a career for 20 years which wasn't really want he wanted to be doing, so he looked at learning a trade.
Why do schools put the pressure onto academic individuals to go down the university route, and the non academic are told to learn a trade.
A level 4 maths and English is required to complete the City and Guilds 5357 electrical apprenticeship, and if you don't have it when you start, you need to complete functional skills and be at that level before you qualify. Yet the City and Guilds 2365, which follows the same qualification structure, does not have any entry requirements.
I wonder how many people are told that, and why that is?
Anyway, here is Aiden's experience.
Aidan and Adrian, thank you so much for making this video, it has been more helpful to me than I can explain in a YT comment, but I have felt my blood surge in recognition of many of the things you talk about regarding the 'training industry,' especially for elderlies like myself.
I have been watching Adrian's videos for a good while- you taught me how to carefully lift a client's carpet, floorboards, and understand domestic structures in the second one i saw.
The first was when you found out that you weren't 'qualified,' when you're lightyears beyond a bs7671 'competent person.'
What a f'king labyrinth.
I've seen another couple of episodes of this series and will watch the rest.
Just wanted to thank you both for this video, it means a lot to me and I'm sure it does to others too.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for getting in touch and expressing your gratitude. It’s the whole reason why I started talking about people’s experiences into the electrical industry, as there as so many variants.
The problem is that there are so many hurdles to jump over and obstacles to avoid, it’s just so difficult to navigate the minefield and people easily get caught out.
Hence, the videos on peoples experiences.
If you ever feel like telling your story, then please get in touch
“You only know what you know”
Such a simple statement yet, so profound!
Great content lads, keep it up, I also have done eal diploma lvl 2 & 3, and now started nvq portfolio.
Was it 2365 lvl 2 and 3 just did that last September don’t know how to start nvq do i have to work as a electrician mate?
I've done EAL its equivalent of C&G, yes you have to be working to be able to gather your evidence towards your portfolio
@@dugi674 some guy said i can come on site on his jobs if i get my own insurance but don’t know which nvq to start like the number what number is it like for example the c&g is 2365?
You fill out one of these while you are working. I’ve started doing videos on the process. You can buy the portfolio here:
amzn.to/2S3DtqD
You have two choices
1. Pay £1700 and get an assessor to write it for you, but if you are any good you won’t need this.
2. Pay £1000 and fill it in yourself. I’ve started producing videos to help you do it
2346/5357
amzn.to/2S3DtqD
Wish I saw this video last year. I'm 39 now did shit at school my maths is shocking. But I got a job onsite as a electrical labourer and the qualified sparks said I picked things up fast but because I've got no gcse's the college wouldn't enrol me. So I've paid for a course myself doing 2 weekends a month. I've done level 2 and got through the 18th now on level 3. I'm am drained of trying to figure out these formulas and calculations if I knew it was going to be this difficult I would have just carried on paint spraying but I'm now committed to it. I don't just want to get through it I want to understand and know what I'm doing for obvious reasons but just feel like the course is chucking mock after mock exams at me to get through to the next bit. Like you said tho nothing is wasted I've learn a tonne of maths some of which I've never even heard of but quite enjoy figuring stuff out. Hopefully it all ends well.
totally agree! I had the same problem with the lockdown.
Brilliant informative video
Thank you 🙏
Aidan. Thank you so much for your honest and open journey and experience. I relate in a lot of ways; fairly academic at school, pushed into A Levels which I hated and wasted (grades suffered a lot as well as time lost). Spent the last 10 years doing jobs that have been okay, but just earning to pay the bills. Hoping to start the C&G Level 2 at Brighton MET this September on the self funded route. You addressed a good point re longer term jobs. I always thought I'd have to do my L2 and L3, then sign up to an agency for the Portfolio element. I was going to try networking and building contacts in a sense but will definitely give that more focus following your story. Take care and hope things work out for you!
I had my questionable training at Brighton 😬
@@Pure_electrical_training Hopefully it has changed in the years since you did yours. I am not really sure where else would be suitable training centre wise.
Not from what I’ve heard I’m afraid, but you never know 🤞
I think they are all much of a muchness
@@Pure_electrical_training I hear ya mate. Unfortunately, it is the lesser of 2 evils. I cannot afford the £4.30 Year 1 Apprentice drop. Tempted to do your suggested L2 route, then try find an employer to do the rest as an apprenticeship on minimum wage as a tad more manageable.
Cheers for all your work doing these videos Adrian. They are really beneficial to me and like minded aspiring Electrical People.
Not sure if this is the right forum, but how do you choose an Apprentice? Might help give some insight to how other firms do it :)
It’s a good idea 👌
Maybe we could do a video on it, what do you think?
That’s what happened to me and I’m now with Guiness property that is “now” helping me get my NVQ LEVEL 3, AM2. I of similar age and covid hit when I finished my diploma.
It sounds like you’re getting it sorted at least 🤞
This was a great find, thanks guys - I’ve applied to undertake the 2365 L2 diploma later this year at college too with a similar 2- evenings per week course. Concerned that I’ll get so far and it will be difficult to get the practical experience but first thing for me is to just make a start, after wanting to pursue this for a while now…Given that it’s a bit of a wait until the course starts I have a textbook for the course so hoping to get a little bit of a head start if possible. Any other preparation advice would be welcomed. Thanks
Razzaq, Im just starting bro. How did you get in to the industry in the end? Thanks.
Hi Adrian,just wonder if you could put link for the AM2 exam preparation book please.Great content!Very informative!
www.netservices.org.uk/am2e/
Am back doing my level 2 wishing to do level 3 but it is out of my area. Going for my 18th edition after buying the new books. Going to do o line mock exam an finding the information in the books. Get it in my head what falls under what regulation and were it is. I did first learn about electrics age 14 from a reders digest book. Down the back had house wiring loop in loop out for lighting and sockets an socket spurs. But in school I was stuck in the remedial class as I found reading and writing hard. Was not allowed to do anything in school. So I did bunk off and goto the library reading diagrams on TV sets. Worked in TV shop then leaving school did all I could to do electronics. No class for are group I was told not enough of us so I got more in then we'll there is no spair room found a room no one then to teach. What it was they needed more in mechanics I gave it a go. The college got funding to take lads in that was always in trouble. They messed about so not much learning. Left moved to a YTS best move I made the guy teaching did it all as a job. Worked for the education as IT tech. But when my old teachers saw me there things were made hard. As they could not have it known that a remedial was there. In college I have had students sent to me to show them how to do stuff am a student. There has never been a talk saying you need this then this then this to be called a qualified electrician and to do your own work. So my thinking is just how meany incompetent guys are out there with NICEIC logos o there van
It’s an interesting thought
Thank you so much guys. Im 46 years old and decided to retrain. I am doing C&G 2365 level 2 and 3 home study. I've paid it myself £4250. I want to do improving once I get my level 2.
Thank you for taking the time to comment 🤝
Who are you doing the course with?
@@Pure_electrical_training Ableskills mate in Dartford. It's like you said, broken up into modules. You study for one, then go in and sit the exam and do a weeks worth of practical, then you arrange the next one. There are 4 parts to level 2 and 3 parts to level 3. I will take about 5 weeks per part. Well, thats the plan, if I need to drag it out further to be thorough, so be it. I want to get on with an agency as a mate then in London.
you paid too much money. I n my country this course is very cheap and you learn more than city offers to you
@@CH-gb7hf How are you getting on with the home study? I've booked onto the level 2 home study been doing it for about 2 weeks or so. Have you booked the first week yet?
@@jaidenproctor7178 Hi Jaiden. I start my first week on 19th June. I have been studying a few hours a day for about a month and half. I have been doing the home study handouts, worksheets, videos and sitting mock exams online for Unit 202 and 203. When will you start?
Thanks for another interesting video. Do you have a link to the AM2 book you mentioned please?
Do you mean this
www.netservices.org.uk/am2e/
Or the portfolio/NVQ
amzn.to/2S3DtqD
Hi, with the above mentioned course, does it include the part p defined scope and part p full scope? I get a little confused with the courses available, as some websites show part p defined scope and full scope as separate courses. Thanks.
I started the L2 at 40 years old. I literally had to do hours of youtube tuition on how to use a scientific calculator
I have passed my L3.. But yo, it was hard math wise
Well done for sticking with it 👊
Been on the same level 2 2365 right now, I'm coming towards end of it and these two are speaking absolute volumes, absolutely dead on, to hear my own thoughts, sentiments and worries in words. It's scarily eye opening.
It does just feel like the centre is there as a numbers game feels like my group of course mates are almost like second class to the jib apprentices.
As someone who currently can't afford to get onto my level 3 cos my min wage job sucks it hurts to see we've got such little options to push us forward.
I'd kill for an opportunity to get into the business especially if it was secure 🔐🔐
All the best lads and hope this message spurs other lads to keep on it and not get overwhelmed
Good luck see you in the field!
(When I can afford my level 3 onwards etc)
That is a shame to hear, which college are you at?
@@Pure_electrical_training
Dont wish to name drop, as my perspective may be different to others, but i'm in Sheffield.
Am asking you on new builds have you ever fitted a 3 way light or 2 way switch with intermediate in English a 3 way as over 20 plus years I have fitted 4.
Yes, I have fitted many 2-way and intermediate lights
Good video
Thank you 🙏
Hi Adrian, any chance you could do a video on how the competent person scheme works? What are minimum requirements etc, cost of it. Halfway through my domestic installer course, thanks
Aiden is a great guy. Reminds me of me lol same attitude. Im thinking of gettin into electronics. Im 40? Is it too late? Looking for the right route.
He is a great guy, and it’s never too late 👊
I changed career and moved into teaching when I was 40
@Pure_electrical_training i watched loads of your vids over last few days. Going to look into apprenticeship or college
You mention that the Level 3 qualification has changed from the 2365 to the 8202. I can't find much information about the change but does it mean that doing a C&G 2365 level 2 and 3 course is no longer recognized or relevant?
The level 3 2365 no longer receives government funding, so the 8202 has taken over.
The 2365 is still running at a lot of colleges, but it’s self funded
Is the C&G 2365 still worth perusing for the self funded route with the new 8202 taking its place?
They tell you to go to uni because instead of paying you to train you get to pay £30k for some garbage degree whilst simultaneously missing out on 5 years of wages.
This is exactly what I’m going thorough right now I’m 28 on level 3 8202 2 nights a week and the college really didn’t tell us anything on progression until a month or 2 ago and tbh they are really sketchy about how much everything costs it’s all ‘we will go through this near the end of the course’ I mean I’m a few grand deep into this and still don’t know exactly what routes are available when I finish in a matter of weeks it’s frustrating that there is no clear path on how to get a job and what your saying is exactly on point with the agency work, they are offering x amount per hour but want x y and a to get this cloud figure I am a bit worried not gonna lie but 1 thing I didn’t know is the apprenticeship is open to me even though I’m on l3 8202 I think colleges don’t want you to pull out so they don’t tell you everything until your a few grand deep and they know they have you by the balls it’s just so wrong
Thank you for reaching out Max, and this is why I’ve started making these videos, as this has to stop.
People looking to join a trade need to be given all the facts before they can make an informed decision.
Take a look at this
www.electricalcareers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/TESP-England-Route-3-Self-Funded.pdf
Hi Adrian
Thought I’d give a quick update
So since my original comment I’ve completed the 8202 l3 then went onto to do 18th edition and then 2391-52 inspection and testing whilst doing these courses I managed to find employment in the industry and been here for about 8/9 months so my next thing to do is the NVQ l3 which I’ve just signed upto and from there do the am2 I just wanted to say to anybody out there in the college doing the same route that Aiden and myself went through (self funded on 2 nights a week) is to try and find someone to take you on even if it’s a couple of days a week as you will not look back and you will learn more on the job
On what positian is Aiden working? He Can't be working as an electrician cause he is not qualified? Where does qualified start?
I did my A levels and regretted it...
I wish I just jumped straight into electrical installation after my GCSE's , so much time wasted...
Nothing is ever wasted, it all goes into experience and you have a better understanding of yourself 🙌
I was told that the domestic installer course was always more designed for those that need electrics as a side trade to go with for example kitchen fitting. What I've found is the main issue being the way they sell these courses, they promise you all these things but say it in a way where they are not actually lying about it, but not actually telling you the whole story, and what else you require to move forward. Which was one of his points in the video.
Exactly that, they were originally for other trades who just needed to connect a boiler, or oven, or move a socket to install a kitchen.
They were not designed for the abuse they have received
city and guilds asks many money for each course, so that is impossible to become an electrician
Is that who you are training with?
I'm 32 and wanting to do city and guilds level 2 from September. My maths and science is weak.. I got a d in maths..has anyone got any advice? For someone who isn't academic? Thank you!
1st year electrical science and principles - covers City and Guilds, and EAL qualifications
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@@Pure_electrical_training thank you! Change of plan!!! Apparently going to college for 4 years will not give me much compared to shadowing a gold card holder, even if it's free a couple of days a week 🙂. I found somebody who might take me on.. he said I will work as his mate. What do you think? It will be for free initially but I'm happy to work for free I assume in return to learn.
Hi Adrian very informative I watch a lot of your videos I have question.
I'm handyman but want to be electrician I found a college told me to do 6weeks site training and than be electrician mate arrange for the college
And continue your portfolio level 3 NVQ and will take around 2yrs and the course cost £7500 plus the exams around £1000 at the end to get the gold card
Do you think it's the correct route to be electrician
And you have to pay front all the money that makes me worry
Have you seen anything like that?
I’ve seen lots of training like that and you have to question the speed of it all.
I’m currently doing some research now on how people learn, and how we commit things to long term memory and I’m going to produce a video on it at some point.
From what I am reading, the problem with fast, intense training is that you commit a lot to your short term memory, not your long term memory, so you learn enough to get through the exams, but a lot gets forgotten.
My advice is always go for the longer term training over years, rather than months and you stand a better chance of coming out the other end with a better understanding.
Those routes may also be paid for by the funding agency
Thanks Adrian I really appreciated your advice still gathering more information I will let you know few weeks later what route I will start
Another 👍
I'm currently studying L3 8202 at college while working with an electrician in the days I'm free, after finishing the course what do you think the next steps are to progress as a qualified electrician or work in a top firm
If you are currently studying the 8202 and working with an electrician, why not get put on an apprenticeship?
You can RPL the units over and all your training will be paid for by the government, including your AM2 and NVQ, which you won’t get on the 8202.
If you stay on the 8202, you will then have to complete the NVQ at a cost of 1500-2k, and the AM2 around £900 before you will be classed as qualified.
Once you do that, I would take the CG 2931 inspection and testing qualification, and the level 4 CG 2396 design course, which will separate you from the competition.
@Pure_electrical_training Thanks for your comment, do you know where I can apply for apprenticeship and isnt it too late because I'm a quarter through the 8202, many thanks
Is the c&g 2365 level 2&3 worth it? I’m doing the level 1 domestic installer and I’m pretty switched on. Work as a wind turbine technician in the summer but struggle getting a permanent job without a trade.
Work it through fast track over 12 weeks. Plus a 4 weeks installer course
It depends what you are looking for?
You cannot condense four years of learning into a 4 week domestic installer course.
You may get a small amount of knowledge from that, but you will definitely not get understanding, and you need both to be competent and safe at your job.
Think of it like going to the gym.
What are you going to achieve in those 4 weeks, as opposed to 4 years
@@Pure_electrical_training thanks
And I absolutely understand that. But I do want to train as an electrician and I’m pretty switched on. Back ground is a technician in oil and gas and wind turbine technician.
@@Largeandincharge22 you could look at retraining via the CG 2365 level 1 and 2 (maybe a night class), then NVQ, then AM2
i tried to do some test but that is like to become a lawyer. I am an electrician in my country so we are more advanced than UK i have a diploma and i have experience so with a diploma from my country i can do any thing as electrician. I have seen many electircian to work in so they work in oorrible manner.
But what about all the people that have all the qualifications but can't do the work I've seen that quite a lot
Yep, qualifications don’t prove diddly squat
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Same thing happened to me mate been trying to become an electrician for 4 years and ive only done work as electricians mate but without 4k which i dont have right now theres no chance of me completing the nvq which i have just quit now im literally a cleaner right now shit really hit the fan because no companies would take me on anymore even when i have a level 3 and experience but without a gold card electrician industry is impossible to get into without an apprenticeship ive literally given up on the dream now im doing a slinger signaller course
Have you tried agency work?
Adrian, Please stop implying that you have to be a member of a CPS scheem. I am an elderly person who is taking an online
four year course to become a domestic and light commercial spark. I can't because of recent legislation join a CPS Scheem
but I'm working towards this. Also not every Electrician chooses to join a CPS scheem, after all it does not mean that you are
incompetent as a spark, all it means is that you have the right to use a logo that says you are, but in reality how do the CPS scheem
know this. Just because you get assesed once every year does not mean that you are a good and competent Electrician, all it
means is that you have satisfied someones expectations of you as a spark.
I think you misunderstand me, as I would prefer that people were not a member of a competent person scheme as they are currently not fit for purpose.
I guess, I’m only talking about my experience within a domestic environment and the hoops you have to jump through.
today without the NVQ and AM2 you not classed as an electrician.
Apparently not 😁
www.electricalcareers.co.uk/joining-the-industry/training-routes/
@@Pure_electrical_training which one does not need the "nvq" or AM2/E.
They all do
@@Pure_electrical_training have you read the link you sent, It does not say that.
How do you mean?
Apprenticeship 3 years college, NVQ, AM2S
Full time and self funded, 2 years college, get job, complete NVQ, then AM2
AM2E, 5 years experience, 2391, 18th edition, NVQ, AM2
It's all about educational money making like so called part p it's all a load of soot
You from Salford?
Yeah! How can you tell! Haha!
@@aidanmeredith7428 Always recognise my own ;) Eccles boy here lol.
@@electricalstuff259 yeah same, pretty distinct accent, spent most of my childhood on the height then Swinton, only round the corner from you!
@@aidanmeredith7428 cracking video with Adrian mate 👍 thanks for sharing your experience, I’m hoping to start soon the 2365 lvl2-3 and then hopefully do the nvq am2 so then I can get registered 🙌🏻 although I may leave it a while like you are doing as it’s so bloody dear, I need to find out if once you’ve done the lvl2-3 2365 does that then mean you can go work at someone’s house and do minor jobs along with a MWC and still do notifible works even tho not registered with a cpc 🤔all the best mate hope it works out for you 🙌🏻🙌🏻
I am sorry but if you apply for skilled persons course and you can't read and write then maybe you are applying for the wrong course. I don't think not asking for this basic skill is a flaw cause if school let you out without these than its a failure of educational system.
The education system let me down massively my whole life.
I left school without any GCSE’s and bumbled around for years. I started this career and through my own determination, have pushed myself to be the best that I can be.
You can’t teach that in school and you either have it, or you don’t.
Personally, I would rather take someone on who has desire and enthusiasm to be the best, rather than bits of paper.
You can’t teach attitude, but you can everything else.
Just a thought
this school is too much expensive so become an electrician to many money you spend.