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I'm sadly missing a proper blender, but I'll at least try some in the near future, even just for freezing some lime. (anyway Thanks for the grapefruit, I used to make my paloma with juice + oleo saccharum, definitely curious about a super version, even though I love the pink hue)
To make red grapefruit superjuice one can add red food dye - anthocyanins are great antioxidants and dyes and all of them turn red in acidic environments. In fact, blood oranges have that deep red colour due to anthocyanins.
I ordered some Malic acid based on your first Super Juice video and planned on making Lemon and Lime this weekend. Now I will add grapefruit to the To-Do list! I really appreciate the fact that you are willing to tell us (the viewers) when something you make could still be improved upon. It gives you much more credibility.
Received my order of malic acid this week and made both lime and lemon. My small sample size (n=3) preferred SJ over fresh juice in side-by-side Don Q daiquiris
Excellent Video! The MSG is an awesome suggestion, it was missing that. I found that the acidity was just too high to use in the same proportions as classic recipes, so my 2nd batch I reduced both citric and malic, and added pantothenic acid (b5) which is present in grapefruit and provides a bitter sweetness that grapefruits are known for. This was a great success. I love the Hemingway Daquiri but never had easy access to lots of Grapefruit, so I used the acid adjusted orange recipe with grapefruit and it turned out almost perfect. Easily the favorite thing about SJ is how long it lasts, I make a batch and then make citrus cocktails of all kinds for the next 10 days, then try another citrus. For the color, there are many kinds of grapefruit and a pink skinned variety could improve this. I've noticed much of the color and bitterness comes from the peel. My next batch, I'll use half the peels and include the flesh when I blend the fruit. Hope you find the supreme recipe! Cheers
@@mdbbox5660 Hi Sir, great question. I used 10mg per 1g peels, or a ratio of 100:1. I used Now brand 500mg capsules and emptied the contents into my container on a scale.
I too found the super juice too sour to simply sub for fresh juice. Do you happen to remember the ratios of citric and malic acids that you used instead, and how I might adjust if I don't have any pantothenic acid?
Good video. I'm glad to see that you didn't blindly endorse the super juice. I find grapefruit juice much more difficult to balance in cocktails since grapefruits (at least the ones I can get) vary so much in sweetness, bitterness, and acidity. Experimentation such as adding a splash of grenadine is a great suggestion, since the light pink color is important in telling the drinker that the citrus in the drink is from grapefruit. I'll do some experimentation to find what works best for me. Thank you
Since I already commented to the last superjuice video and outed myself as an citrus hobby gardener, these might be some exciting citrus fruits for superjuices: Amalfi lemons: One of the most fragrant lemons Meyer lemons: Hybrid between a classic lemon and a orange with a more balanced taste Blood oranges: Especially moro oranges have a destinct color and bloody taste Experimental: Minneola tangelo (Honeybell): Hybrid between a grapefruit and a tangerine with a quite complex aroma Bergamot: Don't know if this would work. The flesh is very sour, but the essential oil of the peel is what you are looking for. Last but not least - kumquats: Might be challanging to extract this fruit due to the sour flesh and the sweet flavedo (zest) and the white albedo. A short note: compared to other citrus fruits - the white albedo of a kumquat is not bitter.
Thank you Kevin for your wonderfull videos! For anyone who interested in "Can I make it drinkable as everyday regular juices..?" Yes. Kinda... I've tried this with orange juice and I must say that result would be more bitter and robust comparing with regular fresh squized juice (I didn't quite like it). All you need in order to bring super juice to drinkable state is to reduce the acid %. Rule is very simple 1 pH down = 10 x less acid (g); pH in Kevin's super juice is around 2.5; pH in regular orange/grapefruit juice ~ 3.7.
I've tried orange super juice, and I like it a lot. I've been mixing it club soda and simple syrup for an Orangina copycat drink (actually quite superior to it).
To me, drinkable orange and grapefruit juice are really hard to replace. The pulps do something to the juice and I believe it would be too many oils to digest by drinking this regularly. So I rather choose to make it more acidic as a replacement for lemon and limes.
I’ve been using these super juices to make lemonade, and it has been a game changer. I’ve also used the orange and grapefruit versions to make, well, orangeade and grapefruitade, using the same sugar and water ratios as my lemonade recipe (1 cup super juice, 5 cups water, a bit more than 1 cup of sugar). The orange one came out tasting like a fresher, brighter version of Tang, but the real magic came with the grapefruitade. I usually sprinkle a little sugar on a grapefruit half, and this tasted like drinking the excess juice out of the bowl afterwards. I tried it again, with a little less than a cup of sugar and a little more than a cup of super juice and found it on par with supermarket grapefruit juice.
I've been making the lime and lemon super juices per your calculator for quite awhile, and since converted two other households in my family to the same. It's fantastic! I finally got some MSG and tried the grapefruit the other day. I mainly want it for making tiki cocktails, so found that, as you suggested in the video, the 6% acid-adjusted version was too tart as a drop-in replacement for standard measures of grapefruit juice. Where it very likely works well is for subbing grapefruit for lime (or maybe lemon), to build a riff of, say, a Mai Tai. I've done this previously with acid-adjusted pineapple and that is currently my favorite Mai Tai variant. Will definitely try this! This led me to make a second batch that reduces the acids (not the MSG) by 1/3, bringing the total acid to around 4%. This amount of adjustment was chosen effectively at random and had to do with how much fresh fruit I had leftover to mix acid-free "super juice" back into part of the first batch. This tastes much closer to fresh juice, importantly allowing the bitterness to come through on my palate more like real juice (it was lost in the 6% version, to my palate). Ideally for tiki cocktails I would do this starting with white grapefruits, but since I cannot seem to find those where I live, there is one additional thing I really like about this method. By the time you add the peel/acid/water back to the juice, you have effectively diluted out the sweetness in the finished product and that is moving things in the right direction if you are starting with ruby or pink grapefruits. Thanks for sharing these methods, and putting the calculator out there as a handy resource!
This one was right up my alley. Grapefruit is one of my favorite flavors but I rarely make palomas with anything but grapefruit soda, and hemingway daquiris are almost never consumed at home because I just don't keep fresh grapefruits around much. I'm looking forward to trying this and comparing it against fresh even if it's not a dead ringer like the lime. Super juice also works really well in making soda syrups. I also made a keg of margaritas for a party last night using super juice and it was a hit! Uncle Roger would love that you've incorporated MSG into juice!
I loveee how you came back to a topic and covered things asked, as well as showed a new recipe on the same topic, an extravagant one at that! Another video that I personally, love 😌
Thanks for doing the hard work for us! I was inspired by your super juice formulas and came up with an "instant super-paloma mix" recipe that can be mixed 1:1 with a spirit without requiring dilution. It's sweet, salty, bitter, sour, and has the red color of grapefruit as well. Instant Super-Paloma Mix: 1x grapefruit peels 0.65x citric acid 0.17x malic acid 1x granulated sugar 0.2x salt 16x water Make super juice with the above ingredients using the usual method and then mix with: 3.2x Giffard Creme de Pamplemousse 1.6x Campari It can be mixed 1:1 with a spirit (on the rocks or shaken) for an instant grapefruity daiquiri. Or add a splash of soda for a paloma. If anyone gives it a try, let me know what you think!
absolutely fantastic video again 😊. I would only beg to differ on the statement that super juice is primarily for Bars. Saving on waste and having Juice that's usable for way over a week in the fridge is also great for us at home. If I can put together a super Daiquiri after I put the kids to bed and save 2 minutes by not cutting, juicing and discarding citrus, that's probably 50 % of the time it takes to make the cocktail as a whole. Evening starts earlier, everyone's happier. Absolute win on every side 😊
I made the lime super juice and I’ve completely converted. Definitely going to try the grapefruit, but as a tikiphile, I’ll be trying it with some white grapefruit that I have left over from the season. I’m curious as to how the MSG will impact the flavor of the white grapefruit.
I have not thoroughly tested it yet, but some citric acid and 150 ppm of potassium Sorbate really seem to extend the shelf life. (It would also allow you to add sugar if you wanted).
Kudos on the webpage! I knew the super juice video was gonna blow up as soon as I watched: it hit everything that the milk clarification trend hit in terms of ease of execution. Really excited for the coming stuff
I am on team MSG. I use it all the time. I've even snuck it into foods for friends who claim they can't handle it, and it gives them headaches. lol, no complaints. It's all a myth.
Just made lime superjuice! Used it making a Tommy margaritas. Very impressive. I like knowing that I am not wasting all the lime peels. Just 2 limes made 290ml of juice. Thank you Mr. Kos for your videos in general. I enjoy the science and creative elements that go into your productions. It's Cocktail Time! Cheers!
Thanks for this! I was inspired by the original super juice video and started researching acid and °brix content of different citrus. Was also considering the addition of sugar. Interesting pov on the msg. I tried this on bergamot as it was available, but still needs some more testing as it turned ridiculously bitter really fast. Overall, at least on the lime version, I love how the peel brings complexity to the flavour making it taste "better" than ordinary juice.
I understand how this would work for lemons, limes and oranges as those flavours aren't super specific flavours and are more roundish but mostly are present to be vibrant and acidic which is the strength of super juice. However, with grapefruit where a large component of the flavour is bitterness, I'd see that it's not as effective of a substitute but more of a different product. I'd say you got it spot on with what to actually use it for. It's still a great improvement.
Couple drops of beet juice should deal with the colour nicely. Something to lower to extraction of bitter oils of grapefruit, maybe less acids added could help here as well. Adding more syrup to balance out the bitterness could work too... I will play around over the weekend 🙂
I think I mentioned on the last video that I was a bit iffy on it, but I gave it a shot and I have to say I'm converted. I've just done the lemon, and while I still slightly prefer fresh juice over superjuice if drank straight (though I don't know why you normally would), in a drink the difference was nearly imperceptible. The cost and convenience of having almost half a litre of juice from a lemon really wins it though-and I do find the flavour far better than the normal store-bought lemon juice. Also as a random aside, I really appreciated you putting the recipe in the description of the last video, as sometimes it's annoying coming back to videos when making something and having to find where in the video it's said-though obviously that wasn't really needed here what with the website now existing.
Would you consider developing a SJ with a pomelo? They have a wonderful grapefruit flavor but are slightly sweeter and less bitter. I've wanted to try using the juice in a paloma.
It would be amazing to know if something similar could be done with kaffir lime leaves. I’ve always wanted to extract that as an essence but never knew where to start
I'm very interested in all this new Super Juice trend, I was wondering if you'll do other citrus as well like : yuzu, tangerine, pomelo, blood orange, mandarine, ugli, kumquat,.. I think YUZU could be great as well since it's pretty rare for a lot of people so it's usually expensive ! :D I'm happy to have found your channel, I think I'll learn even more again ! :)
Well Kevin, I have to confess that I did not have high hopes for super lime, but I managed to make a batch and make a few cocktails from it. Side by side, it definitely has softer finish than fresh juice, but now I have half a liter from two limes... Incredible yield. Now I just need to get a new peeler and improve my filtering for efficiency.
I found the same thing when I made it. The trick I found was to cut back on the water. The original recipe from Nickel ends up having a much higher ratio of fresh juice to water. So I found that brought it closer to fresh lime juice. The yield is obviously less, but I still get almost half a liter from 2 limes.
@@gregorycapello221 did you note what your new ratio was for the amount of water? I was happy with my end results but I'd love to try other variations to dial it in.
I've been thinking a bit about how one might make this taste more like fresh grapefruit juice, and I came to think of The Jasmine Cocktail. So perhaps adding a small amount of Campari for bitterness and colour together with a bit of gin would be a thing to experiment with? Have you also considered using some ascorbic acid (that's just Vitamin C)? It's an anti-oxidant, so it might help keep it fresh for longer.
Love the video and so many others on your channel. Well presented and very thoroughly explained again. I'm left wondering about the choice of cocktails though. You acid adjust the Grapefruit super juice to an acid ratio sort of similar to lime. Why then try to replace regular grapefruit juice with it? The resulting drink would have balance issues. Most likely not sweet enough due to the loss of sugar from the removed grapefruit, but potentially to acidic too. Plus it would lack some of the grapefruit/lime flavor since there is only half of it the drink. I would expect it to work better to make a Margarita or regular Daiquiry. Or any cocktail using lime (or lemon), with this Grapefruit super juice subbing out the lime (or lemon). Dave Arnold's book Liquid Intelligence describes this as the reasoning behind acid adjusting juices.
I think we could compensate with 120-150% of added sugar. That's about the ratio of acids to sugars in a grapefruit from a quick search. It will probably last for not so long, but it could bring the taste closer to a real juice. Maybe a splash of some natural colouring would help also. What do you think?
Tried with mint and lime cordial yesterday. Tasted awesome, but I couldn't get it clear. First I filtered all the rough parts after a minute in the vita mix. Then added agar agar and chilled but it didn't coagulate. Tried filtering through a cheesecloth and a v60, but both choked after 5min and roughly 20ml ^^ Then I tried adding more agar, chilling it until it was like the consistency in your video, but I chocked every filtering method again. So now I have still green juice, still tasty, but would have loved for it to be clear. A very detailed tutorial on filtering would be awesome
Great to see this, will definitely try it out! I was wondering though, have you tried the Paloma/Hemingway leaving the lime in, or maybe even using some lime cordial for the Hemingway? I definitely understand leaving it out with the acid-adjusted superjuice, but the lime flavor is such an important pairing with both rum and tequila that I wonder if just a little would go a long way for both drinks.
You are right, I should try with the lime juice/SJ as well. In this case there would be less bitterness from grapefruit, but it should be a nice cocktail. If you will try it let us know how it turned out.
8:01 whats that squeezy tool? Also, I was playing last night and made some super juices using wine makers "acid blend" which is an equal split of citric, malic and tartaric acids. I wasn't trying to emulate a specific fruit, but I used it with both lime and orange peels, straight and cut with a portion of citric, all at the "standard" 6%. It's interesting and worth playing with if you're ever like, "Yo, this coctail could use a little tartaric acid" or "dude, I was just about to cross breed grapes and limes to make cocktail juice, but I wonder if there's an easier way".
@@Quintinohthree Cool, thanks. And now I just learned the thing I've called a potato ricer my whole life is really just a potato masher and that yes, there is a difference. Cheers!
I think i might have THE Superjuice idea. A citrus fruit that cannot really be juiced but can greatly profit from this. Try Kumquat Superjuice! That might be the one! It would be so great in a bombay smash
Hi Kevin! A few weeks ago I made super juices of Lime, Lemon, and Grapefruit. The lime turned out GREAT, the lemon turned out good, but the grapefruit was not right. I followed the recipe with MSG as well and I thought it tasted noticeably more tart compared to actual grapefruit juice. If I wanted to adjust, should I cut down on the Malic or Citric acid?
I think you have to address white vs red grapefruit. There was no red grapefruit juice when most of these classic cocktails were created. The flavour and acidity would be very different. It would be interesting to see what the acid breakdown would be for white grapefruit and whether it is easier to replicate.
Hello, I just found Cocktail Time, congrats on the content! I had a couple of questions regarding grapefruit super juice (and the other citrus in general): 1. What happens if you blend the pulp as well? Wouldn't that add to the color and flavor? 2. What happens if you add more fresh juice to the formula? It will not be zero waste, but wouldn't it help to make it fresher and closer to the original flavor? Thanks!
Just tried a grapefruit super juice this morning and "obviously" put sugar in, didn't think about the MSG. But same amount of the acids so I'm kinda happy
Where grapefruit would be really useful is if specifically white grapefruit could be superjuiced with cinnamon syrup into a more stable Don's Mix. IMHO white grapefruit is essential to perfect Don's mix which is of course essential to the perfect zombie. But I don't get white grapefruit year round and red isn't bitter enough. So yeah, if you want a challenge, make a shelf stable Don's Mix (super juiced or not).
This was an extremely exciting video and Thank you so much for featuring me.🤩🙌 I think the missing part for the grapefruit recipe is bitterness. I will try some bittering agent like wormwood, quinine and roots to see if I can recreate the signature bitterness grapefruit has.
@@JasminMiettunen unfortunately I got pretty busy these past few weeks. I checked it with a few dashes of fee brothers grapefruit bitter tho and it was damn spot on.
Great video though! I will definitely make this myself! But everyone is talking about how much less waste you have like this but doesn't it create a lot of waste to make these acids as well? still super juice is probably worth it for a shelf life and flavour, just not sure about the wastefullnes and pollution part.
A whole chain analysis of the sustainability of super juice versus fresh juice seems like an interesting idea, but from a bar perspective at least, the acids are 100% waste free of course.
When you up the acidity like you did for the orange, you say that make it more usable in cocktails. Is that as a substitute for lemons and limes, as the sourness level now more closely matches that of the aforementioned fruits? I imagine these sour super juices would not work in a cocktail where they are the principal ingredient, ie a screwdriver?
Could you try making a cantarito? It’s the same as the Paloma you just need orange and lime juice or in your case super orange and lime juice? Love the content! Keep it up!
Wow, I had it on my list to research grapefruit juice so I could experiment with superjuicing it this weekend, and here you've done all my work for me and then some! 😂 I even have msg on hand!
Side note to this vido and Super Juice, I have been playing with blood oranges and I have found that unless you use at least in part blood oranges with darkened peel (target using all of this part when processing) it tastes a bit more like a tangerine in the end.
I've made lime, lemon, and orange super juices following your original video. The lemon and lime are fantastic and I've found many great uses for them, but I'm struggling a bit with the orange. It tastes good, but I don't like it quite as much as the lemon or lime juices. I'd love to know what cocktails work better with the orange super juice or even how the recipe could be modified to work for specific types of cocktails.
Since Super Juice is blended and filtered, is there any reason to squeeze? Why not just cut out the fruit throwing away the pith, adding only fruit pieces?
I think I will try this technique with season citrus like Key lime or Meyers lemon, just need to find ratios of the acid. Guess it's a matter of looking online at reputable food site that have measured such details.
So many thoughts. I always wait to watch these videos because i want to make sure my wife and kids don't disturb me while i'm sitting here in awe. I feel like i got in on the ground floor of an awesome band and soon everyone is going to say "I was watching cocktail time before the pandemic." Then i'll be annoyed because I'll know they're lying. I wish i could spend a month just understudying around you to learn some of your techniques. Lastly quick question; how were your grades in math in school?
So happy to hear you enjoy our episodes so much! Thank you! My grades in math were much better than the ones in English 😅 I studied Civil Engineering so you really got to love math to go to such college.
Does MSG extract oil from the peels? I assume it can be dissolved into water and added later since it's a salt and not an acid, but I'm no chemist to know how salts and acids interact in the glass jar with organic citrus. By the way, if you want to taste MSG, dissolve a teaspoon in half liter of water, taste, then add table salt and taste again. Combination of sodium chloride and monosodium glutamate makes water taste like chicken soup.
hey! great video this one and the original super juices one, at last, a real "life hack get 10x of something" that actually works haha. BTW I wanted to notice that the formula you are using for the amount of water to add to the superjuice is a bit wrong, since as you said, you want the total amount of acids to be 6% of the total weight, then the amount of water is not 16.66 times the weight of peels, since that is the result of 1 / 0.06 which is to say how much TOTAL weight should the combination of water and acids have. instead the correct formula is 15.66 times the peel weight. let's say peelWeight equals 27grams then add 27 * 15.66 grams of water => 422 grams of water weight of water + acids = 422 + 27 => ~450 6% (27gr) acids, 94% (422gr) water. it's a really small correction but for anyone out there wanting to be super precise (pun intended :P)
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I'm sadly missing a proper blender, but I'll at least try some in the near future, even just for freezing some lime.
(anyway Thanks for the grapefruit, I used to make my paloma with juice + oleo saccharum, definitely curious about a super version, even though I love the pink hue)
To make red grapefruit superjuice one can add red food dye - anthocyanins are great antioxidants and dyes and all of them turn red in acidic environments.
In fact, blood oranges have that deep red colour due to anthocyanins.
no and never will its not simple as you say to make it it a long involved process using non common ingredients.
I ordered some Malic acid based on your first Super Juice video and planned on making Lemon and Lime this weekend. Now I will add grapefruit to the To-Do list!
I really appreciate the fact that you are willing to tell us (the viewers) when something you make could still be improved upon. It gives you much more credibility.
Received my order of malic acid this week and made both lime and lemon. My small sample size (n=3) preferred SJ over fresh juice in side-by-side Don Q daiquiris
Thank you! I am here to help you and give you best information I can. I am glad you will give the SJ go. Cheers!
Excellent Video! The MSG is an awesome suggestion, it was missing that. I found that the acidity was just too high to use in the same proportions as classic recipes, so my 2nd batch I reduced both citric and malic, and added pantothenic acid (b5) which is present in grapefruit and provides a bitter sweetness that grapefruits are known for. This was a great success.
I love the Hemingway Daquiri but never had easy access to lots of Grapefruit, so I used the acid adjusted orange recipe with grapefruit and it turned out almost perfect. Easily the favorite thing about SJ is how long it lasts, I make a batch and then make citrus cocktails of all kinds for the next 10 days, then try another citrus.
For the color, there are many kinds of grapefruit and a pink skinned variety could improve this. I've noticed much of the color and bitterness comes from the peel. My next batch, I'll use half the peels and include the flesh when I blend the fruit.
Hope you find the supreme recipe! Cheers
How much pantothenic acid did you use per gram of peel? Did you just take the contents of B5 capsules?
@@mdbbox5660 Hi Sir, great question. I used 10mg per 1g peels, or a ratio of 100:1. I used Now brand 500mg capsules and emptied the contents into my container on a scale.
So happy that you are experimenting. Please let us know your results. Cheers!
I too found the super juice too sour to simply sub for fresh juice. Do you happen to remember the ratios of citric and malic acids that you used instead, and how I might adjust if I don't have any pantothenic acid?
Glad I’m listed on the new web page as part of the team. To be fair, I might have had a hand in that.
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Dude I'm so proud of that intro. Simple/little camera movement makes all the difference! Great episode!!
It really is great 🤩🤩
Good video. I'm glad to see that you didn't blindly endorse the super juice. I find grapefruit juice much more difficult to balance in cocktails since grapefruits (at least the ones I can get) vary so much in sweetness, bitterness, and acidity. Experimentation such as adding a splash of grenadine is a great suggestion, since the light pink color is important in telling the drinker that the citrus in the drink is from grapefruit. I'll do some experimentation to find what works best for me. Thank you
Looking forward to your feedback Matt!
Thanks! Can't wait to hear from you!
What an awesome follow up.
And people who cry about MSG have no idea about chemistry.
Thank you for your work.
Since I already commented to the last superjuice video and outed myself as an citrus hobby gardener, these might be some exciting citrus fruits for superjuices:
Amalfi lemons: One of the most fragrant lemons
Meyer lemons: Hybrid between a classic lemon and a orange with a more balanced taste
Blood oranges: Especially moro oranges have a destinct color and bloody taste
Experimental:
Minneola tangelo (Honeybell): Hybrid between a grapefruit and a tangerine with a quite complex aroma
Bergamot: Don't know if this would work. The flesh is very sour, but the essential oil of the peel is what you are looking for.
Last but not least - kumquats: Might be challanging to extract this fruit due to the sour flesh and the sweet flavedo (zest) and the white albedo. A short note: compared to other citrus fruits - the white albedo of a kumquat is not bitter.
Thank you Kevin for your wonderfull videos! For anyone who interested in "Can I make it drinkable as everyday regular juices..?" Yes. Kinda... I've tried this with orange juice and I must say that result would be more bitter and robust comparing with regular fresh squized juice (I didn't quite like it). All you need in order to bring super juice to drinkable state is to reduce the acid %. Rule is very simple 1 pH down = 10 x less acid (g); pH in Kevin's super juice is around 2.5; pH in regular orange/grapefruit juice ~ 3.7.
I've tried orange super juice, and I like it a lot. I've been mixing it club soda and simple syrup for an Orangina copycat drink (actually quite superior to it).
@@jeffreyim Yeah, in cocktails it's perfect. I was talking about diluted version with 10 times less acid for everyday drink
To me, drinkable orange and grapefruit juice are really hard to replace. The pulps do something to the juice and I believe it would be too many oils to digest by drinking this regularly. So I rather choose to make it more acidic as a replacement for lemon and limes.
@@KevinKos truth indeed
I’ve been using these super juices to make lemonade, and it has been a game changer. I’ve also used the orange and grapefruit versions to make, well, orangeade and grapefruitade, using the same sugar and water ratios as my lemonade recipe (1 cup super juice, 5 cups water, a bit more than 1 cup of sugar). The orange one came out tasting like a fresher, brighter version of Tang, but the real magic came with the grapefruitade. I usually sprinkle a little sugar on a grapefruit half, and this tasted like drinking the excess juice out of the bowl afterwards. I tried it again, with a little less than a cup of sugar and a little more than a cup of super juice and found it on par with supermarket grapefruit juice.
I've been making the lime and lemon super juices per your calculator for quite awhile, and since converted two other households in my family to the same. It's fantastic! I finally got some MSG and tried the grapefruit the other day. I mainly want it for making tiki cocktails, so found that, as you suggested in the video, the 6% acid-adjusted version was too tart as a drop-in replacement for standard measures of grapefruit juice. Where it very likely works well is for subbing grapefruit for lime (or maybe lemon), to build a riff of, say, a Mai Tai. I've done this previously with acid-adjusted pineapple and that is currently my favorite Mai Tai variant. Will definitely try this!
This led me to make a second batch that reduces the acids (not the MSG) by 1/3, bringing the total acid to around 4%. This amount of adjustment was chosen effectively at random and had to do with how much fresh fruit I had leftover to mix acid-free "super juice" back into part of the first batch. This tastes much closer to fresh juice, importantly allowing the bitterness to come through on my palate more like real juice (it was lost in the 6% version, to my palate). Ideally for tiki cocktails I would do this starting with white grapefruits, but since I cannot seem to find those where I live, there is one additional thing I really like about this method. By the time you add the peel/acid/water back to the juice, you have effectively diluted out the sweetness in the finished product and that is moving things in the right direction if you are starting with ruby or pink grapefruits. Thanks for sharing these methods, and putting the calculator out there as a handy resource!
Do u still do it at 4% acidity and how about shelf life ? Thanks
@@markitossei I do, and without a doubt it has the best shelf life - compared to lemon (worst) and lime (mid).
This one was right up my alley. Grapefruit is one of my favorite flavors but I rarely make palomas with anything but grapefruit soda, and hemingway daquiris are almost never consumed at home because I just don't keep fresh grapefruits around much. I'm looking forward to trying this and comparing it against fresh even if it's not a dead ringer like the lime. Super juice also works really well in making soda syrups. I also made a keg of margaritas for a party last night using super juice and it was a hit!
Uncle Roger would love that you've incorporated MSG into juice!
I loveee how you came back to a topic and covered things asked, as well as showed a new recipe on the same topic, an extravagant one at that! Another video that I personally, love 😌
Thanks a lot Zach!
Thanks for doing the hard work for us! I was inspired by your super juice formulas and came up with an "instant super-paloma mix" recipe that can be mixed 1:1 with a spirit without requiring dilution. It's sweet, salty, bitter, sour, and has the red color of grapefruit as well.
Instant Super-Paloma Mix:
1x grapefruit peels
0.65x citric acid
0.17x malic acid
1x granulated sugar
0.2x salt
16x water
Make super juice with the above ingredients using the usual method and then mix with:
3.2x Giffard Creme de Pamplemousse
1.6x Campari
It can be mixed 1:1 with a spirit (on the rocks or shaken) for an instant grapefruity daiquiri. Or add a splash of soda for a paloma.
If anyone gives it a try, let me know what you think!
absolutely fantastic video again 😊. I would only beg to differ on the statement that super juice is primarily for Bars. Saving on waste and having Juice that's usable for way over a week in the fridge is also great for us at home. If I can put together a super Daiquiri after I put the kids to bed and save 2 minutes by not cutting, juicing and discarding citrus, that's probably 50 % of the time it takes to make the cocktail as a whole. Evening starts earlier, everyone's happier. Absolute win on every side 😊
Indeed. Thank you, Hendrik!
3:18 - If that's not the prettiest grapefruit b-roll on UA-cam I'd love to see what is! 😍
It is astonishing!🤩
I made the lime super juice and I’ve completely converted. Definitely going to try the grapefruit, but as a tikiphile, I’ll be trying it with some white grapefruit that I have left over from the season. I’m curious as to how the MSG will impact the flavor of the white grapefruit.
I have not thoroughly tested it yet, but some citric acid and 150 ppm of potassium Sorbate really seem to extend the shelf life. (It would also allow you to add sugar if you wanted).
Kudos on the webpage! I knew the super juice video was gonna blow up as soon as I watched: it hit everything that the milk clarification trend hit in terms of ease of execution. Really excited for the coming stuff
Thank you!
I am on team MSG. I use it all the time. I've even snuck it into foods for friends who claim they can't handle it, and it gives them headaches. lol, no complaints. It's all a myth.
Cheers!
Just made lime superjuice! Used it making a Tommy margaritas. Very impressive. I like knowing that I am not wasting all the lime peels. Just 2 limes made 290ml of juice. Thank you Mr. Kos for your videos in general. I enjoy the science and creative elements that go into your productions. It's Cocktail Time! Cheers!
So happy to hear that! Cheers!
You are officially my new favorite youtuber. Thank you for these awesome videos!
Super juice calculator = GAMECHANGER
Glad you like it!
I just made the lime and lemon super juice at my bar and i find it awesome. Looking forward to try this grapefruit version and have fun with It!
Thanks Kevin!!! Liquid Intelligence is one of the books i've ever read and then, i found your channel... Thanks again!!
Thanks for this! I was inspired by the original super juice video and started researching acid and °brix content of different citrus. Was also considering the addition of sugar. Interesting pov on the msg. I tried this on bergamot as it was available, but still needs some more testing as it turned ridiculously bitter really fast. Overall, at least on the lime version, I love how the peel brings complexity to the flavour making it taste "better" than ordinary juice.
I understand how this would work for lemons, limes and oranges as those flavours aren't super specific flavours and are more roundish but mostly are present to be vibrant and acidic which is the strength of super juice. However, with grapefruit where a large component of the flavour is bitterness, I'd see that it's not as effective of a substitute but more of a different product. I'd say you got it spot on with what to actually use it for. It's still a great improvement.
Check out the comment by Ron Labhart, he's working on a recipe as well. Cheers!
Super juice calculator? Amazing!
The Superjuice made me subscribe :) And changed my home cocktail game completely. Thanks!
Awesome! Cheers!
Couple drops of beet juice should deal with the colour nicely. Something to lower to extraction of bitter oils of grapefruit, maybe less acids added could help here as well. Adding more syrup to balance out the bitterness could work too... I will play around over the weekend 🙂
I'm officially on the super juice train.
Welcome aboard!
I think I mentioned on the last video that I was a bit iffy on it, but I gave it a shot and I have to say I'm converted.
I've just done the lemon, and while I still slightly prefer fresh juice over superjuice if drank straight (though I don't know why you normally would), in a drink the difference was nearly imperceptible.
The cost and convenience of having almost half a litre of juice from a lemon really wins it though-and I do find the flavour far better than the normal store-bought lemon juice.
Also as a random aside, I really appreciated you putting the recipe in the description of the last video, as sometimes it's annoying coming back to videos when making something and having to find where in the video it's said-though obviously that wasn't really needed here what with the website now existing.
I put recipes on every description. Now it's even better because it's on the website. Thank you! Cheers!
Would you consider developing a SJ with a pomelo? They have a wonderful grapefruit flavor but are slightly sweeter and less bitter. I've wanted to try using the juice in a paloma.
Would you modify the recipe for white grapefruit? I’m particularly interested in that since it’s seasonal.
This is such a well-made video! I'm enjoying it and I'm not even a bartender
It would be amazing to know if something similar could be done with kaffir lime leaves. I’ve always wanted to extract that as an essence but never knew where to start
I'm very interested in all this new Super Juice trend, I was wondering if you'll do other citrus as well like : yuzu, tangerine, pomelo, blood orange, mandarine, ugli, kumquat,.. I think YUZU could be great as well since it's pretty rare for a lot of people so it's usually expensive ! :D
I'm happy to have found your channel, I think I'll learn even more again ! :)
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.
@@KevinKos I would also suggest Meyer Lemon, something I prefer in paper planes or penicillins
Well Kevin, I have to confess that I did not have high hopes for super lime, but I managed to make a batch and make a few cocktails from it. Side by side, it definitely has softer finish than fresh juice, but now I have half a liter from two limes... Incredible yield. Now I just need to get a new peeler and improve my filtering for efficiency.
I found the same thing when I made it. The trick I found was to cut back on the water. The original recipe from Nickel ends up having a much higher ratio of fresh juice to water. So I found that brought it closer to fresh lime juice. The yield is obviously less, but I still get almost half a liter from 2 limes.
@@gregorycapello221 did you note what your new ratio was for the amount of water? I was happy with my end results but I'd love to try other variations to dial it in.
@@Project337 The water ratio was 9.22. The acid ratios were the same.
Sounds great! Super juice recipe is here for you to adjust to your palate. I am glad you will experiment with it. Let us know how it turned out!
@@KevinKos just made super lemon and it makes the best lemonade I've ever had.
I've been thinking a bit about how one might make this taste more like fresh grapefruit juice, and I came to think of The Jasmine Cocktail. So perhaps adding a small amount of Campari for bitterness and colour together with a bit of gin would be a thing to experiment with?
Have you also considered using some ascorbic acid (that's just Vitamin C)? It's an anti-oxidant, so it might help keep it fresh for longer.
Super juice Mandarin!!!
Wow this is a new Paloma experience. I didn’t expect that . Thanks a lot for sharing this with us
Glad you liked it!
The production quality of your videos are top notch. Great work!
Much appreciated!
Good luck 🤞
Thanks!
Love the video and so many others on your channel. Well presented and very thoroughly explained again.
I'm left wondering about the choice of cocktails though. You acid adjust the Grapefruit super juice to an acid ratio sort of similar to lime. Why then try to replace regular grapefruit juice with it? The resulting drink would have balance issues. Most likely not sweet enough due to the loss of sugar from the removed grapefruit, but potentially to acidic too. Plus it would lack some of the grapefruit/lime flavor since there is only half of it the drink.
I would expect it to work better to make a Margarita or regular Daiquiry. Or any cocktail using lime (or lemon), with this Grapefruit super juice subbing out the lime (or lemon). Dave Arnold's book Liquid Intelligence describes this as the reasoning behind acid adjusting juices.
Hi, Kevin!
Can use Neotame as a sweetener, and the color can not be changed) and so there is always a red color!
I'll do the experiment a little later and share the result! Unless of course I don't do it in front of me!)
Let us know how it turned out! 😉 Cheers!
Masterclass as always.
What a great channel! Now I’m REALLY. Thirsty!
Thank you! Cheers!
Very cool verdict at the end, really liked it how you highlighted what matters!
Thank you! Cheers!
4:30 is Uncle Roger's Favourite
This website is genius!
Amazing
Not everyone will get the exact amount of peels
So that's perfect
Nice done
Thank you!
Love your super juice series. Can you do one on grenadine. It’s not a super juice but necessary to have :-)
M.S.G..? Fuiyoh!!!!!
I think we could compensate with 120-150% of added sugar. That's about the ratio of acids to sugars in a grapefruit from a quick search. It will probably last for not so long, but it could bring the taste closer to a real juice. Maybe a splash of some natural colouring would help also. What do you think?
Tried with mint and lime cordial yesterday.
Tasted awesome, but I couldn't get it clear. First I filtered all the rough parts after a minute in the vita mix.
Then added agar agar and chilled but it didn't coagulate. Tried filtering through a cheesecloth and a v60, but both choked after 5min and roughly 20ml ^^
Then I tried adding more agar, chilling it until it was like the consistency in your video, but I chocked every filtering method again. So now I have still green juice, still tasty, but would have loved for it to be clear. A very detailed tutorial on filtering would be awesome
Try to break down the gelatine cordial before you filter it through a muslin cloth. Try not using a coffee filter since it's too fine.
Just saw How to Drink make the Peace Train from Peacemaker, i wonder if you could make a clarified version
Will this also work the same way for white grapefruit? Thinking this will be a perfect keto substitute for grapefruit juice.
I loved this super juice
I'm looking forward to using this grapefruit version in my tiki cocktails. Thank you and cheers - another great video, team!
Our pleasure! Cheers!
Great to see this, will definitely try it out! I was wondering though, have you tried the Paloma/Hemingway leaving the lime in, or maybe even using some lime cordial for the Hemingway? I definitely understand leaving it out with the acid-adjusted superjuice, but the lime flavor is such an important pairing with both rum and tequila that I wonder if just a little would go a long way for both drinks.
You are right, I should try with the lime juice/SJ as well. In this case there would be less bitterness from grapefruit, but it should be a nice cocktail. If you will try it let us know how it turned out.
Great video and channel. Love it.
Would the calculations differ for white grapefruit?
Hey nice video. you definitely need a fill light or a rim light
Noted! Will figure it out! Thanks for pointing this out.
Finally what we've been waiting for! Thank you Kevin for this!🙌
With pleasure 😉
8:01 whats that squeezy tool?
Also, I was playing last night and made some super juices using wine makers "acid blend" which is an equal split of citric, malic and tartaric acids. I wasn't trying to emulate a specific fruit, but I used it with both lime and orange peels, straight and cut with a portion of citric, all at the "standard" 6%. It's interesting and worth playing with if you're ever like, "Yo, this coctail could use a little tartaric acid" or "dude, I was just about to cross breed grapes and limes to make cocktail juice, but I wonder if there's an easier way".
That's a potato ricer.
@@Quintinohthree Cool, thanks. And now I just learned the thing I've called a potato ricer my whole life is really just a potato masher and that yes, there is a difference. Cheers!
Kevin, once again great video, Love the information :)
Thank you, David!
This is sooo rad! I think we’re gonna try and do some super juice with citrus here in SE asia!
I think i might have THE Superjuice idea. A citrus fruit that cannot really be juiced but can greatly profit from this. Try Kumquat Superjuice! That might be the one! It would be so great in a bombay smash
Great idea!
@@laurencefrabotta1618 will try it as soon as i get my hands on some Kumquats the next time
great idea indeed!
That is an amazing idea!!
Hi Kevin! A few weeks ago I made super juices of Lime, Lemon, and Grapefruit. The lime turned out GREAT, the lemon turned out good, but the grapefruit was not right. I followed the recipe with MSG as well and I thought it tasted noticeably more tart compared to actual grapefruit juice. If I wanted to adjust, should I cut down on the Malic or Citric acid?
It's supposed to be. It's acid adjusted to be equivalent to lime or lemon.
Could you consider doing Yuzu super juice? It is $45 dollars a bottle for Yuzu juice and I'm hoping to get my hands on some fresh fruit soon
It's hard to get Yuzu where I live.
I think you have to address white vs red grapefruit. There was no red grapefruit juice when most of these classic cocktails were created. The flavour and acidity would be very different. It would be interesting to see what the acid breakdown would be for white grapefruit and whether it is easier to replicate.
Hello, I just found Cocktail Time, congrats on the content!
I had a couple of questions regarding grapefruit super juice (and the other citrus in general):
1. What happens if you blend the pulp as well? Wouldn't that add to the color and flavor?
2. What happens if you add more fresh juice to the formula? It will not be zero waste, but wouldn't it help to make it fresher and closer to the original flavor?
Thanks!
Just tried a grapefruit super juice this morning and "obviously" put sugar in, didn't think about the MSG. But same amount of the acids so I'm kinda happy
Nice! Cheers!
Where grapefruit would be really useful is if specifically white grapefruit could be superjuiced with cinnamon syrup into a more stable Don's Mix. IMHO white grapefruit is essential to perfect Don's mix which is of course essential to the perfect zombie. But I don't get white grapefruit year round and red isn't bitter enough. So yeah, if you want a challenge, make a shelf stable Don's Mix (super juiced or not).
Are there any tweaks that would need to be made for white grapefruit vs. red grapefruit?
I am still working on the white grapefruit.
Beautiful web page, thanks you
Glad you like it!
Hey there! Amazing recipe and presentation. I was wondering, is it possible to use this as a base for sodas / homemade limo?
Yes, it is.
Could you possibly add food colouring to the super juice? To give it that pinkish colour?
This was an extremely exciting video and Thank you so much for featuring me.🤩🙌
I think the missing part for the grapefruit recipe is bitterness.
I will try some bittering agent like wormwood, quinine and roots to see if I can recreate the signature bitterness grapefruit has.
With pleasure! Keep us updated!
How did it go?
@@JasminMiettunen unfortunately I got pretty busy these past few weeks. I checked it with a few dashes of fee brothers grapefruit bitter tho and it was damn spot on.
Great video though! I will definitely make this myself!
But everyone is talking about how much less waste you have like this but doesn't it create a lot of waste to make these acids as well? still super juice is probably worth it for a shelf life and flavour, just not sure about the wastefullnes and pollution part.
A whole chain analysis of the sustainability of super juice versus fresh juice seems like an interesting idea, but from a bar perspective at least, the acids are 100% waste free of course.
When you up the acidity like you did for the orange, you say that make it more usable in cocktails. Is that as a substitute for lemons and limes, as the sourness level now more closely matches that of the aforementioned fruits? I imagine these sour super juices would not work in a cocktail where they are the principal ingredient, ie a screwdriver?
Could you try making a cantarito? It’s the same as the Paloma you just need orange and lime juice or in your case super orange and lime juice? Love the content! Keep it up!
I think it should work with SJ. Thank you!
The super juice video is how I found you, and I have made it at home now.
Wow, I had it on my list to research grapefruit juice so I could experiment with superjuicing it this weekend, and here you've done all my work for me and then some! 😂 I even have msg on hand!
Awesome!
Side note to this vido and Super Juice, I have been playing with blood oranges and I have found that unless you use at least in part blood oranges with darkened peel (target using all of this part when processing) it tastes a bit more like a tangerine in the end.
good to know. How does it look?
@@KevinKos Only slightly darker than normal oranges, much of the red seams to fade out, but is more present than in the grapefruit.
Can we do this with pinapple? And if so what acids do we need?
I haven't done it yet, but I will start experimenting.
Is there any substitude to melic acid or can I add more citric acid instead of it?
Was hoping you would make a video on Grapefruit Superjuice. Thank you so much.
With pleasure!
@@KevinKos
Thank you for the new video.
for the super juice cocktails, why didn't you also use lime super juice?
I've made lime, lemon, and orange super juices following your original video. The lemon and lime are fantastic and I've found many great uses for them, but I'm struggling a bit with the orange. It tastes good, but I don't like it quite as much as the lemon or lime juices. I'd love to know what cocktails work better with the orange super juice or even how the recipe could be modified to work for specific types of cocktails.
Whiskey sour, Margarita, Sidecar, White Lady... you name it. All of them will work great with the orange SJ
@@KevinKos Tried a whiskey sour using a different rye and it was much nicer this time. Thanks!
Since Super Juice is blended and filtered, is there any reason to squeeze? Why not just cut out the fruit throwing away the pith, adding only fruit pieces?
Pineapple next!
I think I will try this technique with season citrus like Key lime or Meyers lemon, just need to find ratios of the acid. Guess it's a matter of looking online at reputable food site that have measured such details.
Feel free to share the results with us. Happy experimenting! Cheers!
So many thoughts. I always wait to watch these videos because i want to make sure my wife and kids don't disturb me while i'm sitting here in awe. I feel like i got in on the ground floor of an awesome band and soon everyone is going to say "I was watching cocktail time before the pandemic." Then i'll be annoyed because I'll know they're lying. I wish i could spend a month just understudying around you to learn some of your techniques. Lastly quick question; how were your grades in math in school?
So happy to hear you enjoy our episodes so much! Thank you! My grades in math were much better than the ones in English 😅 I studied Civil Engineering so you really got to love math to go to such college.
Anything creative you could come up with using Ceylon Arrack?
Does MSG extract oil from the peels? I assume it can be dissolved into water and added later since it's a salt and not an acid, but I'm no chemist to know how salts and acids interact in the glass jar with organic citrus. By the way, if you want to taste MSG, dissolve a teaspoon in half liter of water, taste, then add table salt and taste again. Combination of sodium chloride and monosodium glutamate makes water taste like chicken soup.
It can be dissolved in water and added later too. Sounds like a nice experiment. Thank you!
The msg changes everything. I wonder what it would be like with lemon lime or orange.
Agree with you.
What are the ratios needed to make yuzu super juice? Thanks!
Master!!!! 👏
Thank you!
Do kaffir lime!
Waiting for super mango juice and pineapple juice🥭🥭🥭🍍🍍🍍
Question, blending the pulp instead of juicing could work if i wanted more pink-ish color?
It would work, but try adding some beetroot powder or a small amount of juice if you don't have it in powder form. It will add great color.
hey! great video this one and the original super juices one, at last, a real "life hack get 10x of something" that actually works haha. BTW I wanted to notice that the formula you are using for the amount of water to add to the superjuice is a bit wrong, since as you said, you want the total amount of acids to be 6% of the total weight, then the amount of water is not 16.66 times the weight of peels, since that is the result of 1 / 0.06 which is to say how much TOTAL weight should the combination of water and acids have.
instead the correct formula is 15.66 times the peel weight.
let's say peelWeight equals 27grams
then add 27 * 15.66 grams of water => 422 grams of water
weight of water + acids = 422 + 27 => ~450
6% (27gr) acids, 94% (422gr) water.
it's a really small correction but for anyone out there wanting to be super precise (pun intended :P)