It's always cool to see the trains deliver coal to the paper mill I work at. We switched to most natural gas boilers but still have a couple of coal fired ones.
Looked like dual service cars on the coal train. Air operated bottom dump doors or rotary dumping. The red ends denote rotary coupler locations. Liked the mini pacing of the I&O. Great video!
By backing the train up it allows each car to start rolling independently using the momentum of the preceding car to start the next car rolling taking the strain off the engines.
Yup. It's called taking slack. Each coupler has several inches between compression and tension. If all the couplers are in tension then you are trying to start moving 10000 tons all at once which is beyond the capability of the engines. If you compress the train then you are only starting 100 tons which the engines can do.
Whin the engineer knocked off the bracks those cars rooled down hill the engineer is slowly pulling the train forward so the hole train doesn't get pulled backwards. Love you jaw tooth and may our God bless you.
Great video JT. The view up that straight track of the coal train was brilliant. It showed just how long it really was. Loved the clicky clack of that local coming out of Queensgate yard. Almost sounded musical.
Even without your RADAR gun, Señor Jaws, I think I can help you on the speed of the coal train that stopped blocking traffic... it's going zero mph. ... Geez! I made a New Year's Resolution not to make comments like that. Here we are on Sunday the 8th of January and I've no more resolutions to break. This is shaping up to be a long year. At least we got your videos. Gracias por ellos. RT sends, Puebla, México.
Those aren't rotary dump xats. They unload from the bottom hopper doors, if you notice the 2 air hoses between each car, they control a big air cylinder on the cars that operates the hoppers doors. Also notice the paddle thing on the cars, as the cars go through the unloading chute it presses it in to operate the unloading doors and the cars empty out. Have you ever watched ccrx railroad channel. He shows how they operate.
Excellent great video, mr Jaw Tooth. Good that you let see the limit of loading in this railcars: you say the equivalent is 119 ton, in Europa loading we in Rotterdam for Germany 120 ton. In 2025 when the railway from Rotterdam to Germany is ready the loadlimit for railcars for coal and ore goes to 150 ton. But what i like on this video is the last train from Indiana& Ohio. In the Netherlands is a sistercompany: Rotterdam Rail Feeding. This company is also a member of Genesee & Wyoming just like the Indiana & Ohio. Nice to see mr Jaw Tooth. Greet from Zandvoort the Netherlands 🇾🇪🇺🇸
Hey JT, When a train has to make a stop like that, the cars bunch up together with the slack of stretched out cars. And when air is put back in the airline to release the brakes, the slack runs out backwards. Making it look like the train is starting to backup. It stops when the slack runs out from the locomotives which has the unit brakes still on. I hope that helps you! PBW
Yep. You can see this happening at 5:54. The car PMRX 555011 stops before the car behind it: the coupler was slack while the train was moving backwards, and stretched when it stopped.
I can see why that crossing is closed - very dangerous, especially for those long flatbed trailers to get hung-up on! I can see the scrapes @13:57. I guess it could still be opened quickly for certain emergencies though.
I’m pretty sure the first train did not back up. When the train first stopped the couplers were bunched. When the engineer released the brakes, there was enough grade to cause the cars to roll backwards until the train was stretched. Btw this is why conductors never go between cars until the engineer confirms “set and centered” (independent brake is set and direction lever is centered (not set forward or reverse).
Good point. Managing the slack in the train is the mark of a good engineer - he (or she) will run a section of track either bunched or stretched, depending on the track profile. a long train can have more than a carlength of slack that can cause all sorts of issues such as you mentioned, and also can cause damage to the cargo loaded in the cars - well maybe not in a coal train, but it's good practice anyway.
Well, back when I was a kid a stopped train would reverse and hit the brakes for the rebound effect of the cars bumping forward to give a little oomph to starting forward. That was back when they were running the F7-9s.
There,s a trinity plant in Cartersville, Georgia that builds those exact type of coal cars, they test everything on them before they can be sold. They test the dumping system and the brakes.
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I have the answer to your question. With a heavy train like that it is hard on the traction motors to get it to start to move all that dead weight at once. So what they do is reverse a half to one car back to use the slack in the couplers. Then they stop. This way they are pulling one car at a time to get it to start to move. The very start on moving a heavy train puts a large strain on the locomotives. I have seen this done before. This has been done sense steam locomotives. Steven Sipes
That's not what's happening, here. Look at 5:54 and you see the cars rolling back. Car PMRX 555011 stops before the car behind it. The couplers were slack as the train was moving backwards, and became stretched when it stopped. This wasn't the engineer reversing to put slack into a stretched train; it was a slack train rolling back down a slight grade and stretching as the brakes were released.
ChainsawN&W1218, great air horn on the manifest, Nathan K5LLA on an EMD SD70ACE and a GE AC44C6M trailing, I know the DPU was a GE, couldn't make out what model, nice video Man!👍😄🛤🚂
When charging the air brake system on a train. It takes a minute or a sec. for all the the lines to be fully charged, this would cause the freight cars to be released of rolling backwards a little, then stop before pulling forward. We're dealing doubles/ triples So, pulling more than a number of freight cars , the air is flowing thru the lines. The locomotives also have a valve similar to a TPV that releases air into the system.
I heard each railroad coal car weights 120 tons fully loaded and I remember you did a video about a coal train and you got covered by coal dust lol 😆 . There were 91 coal cars × 120 tons = 10,920 tons plus two engines that weigh around 200 tons each so you are talking about total weight for the whole Train 11,320 tons that is alot of weight and I have seen coal trains with two or three engines in the back to and I was surprised this train didn't have extra engines too.
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Nice video at various locations in Cincinnati, Ohio, Jawa Tooth! That was unusual for that loaded CSX coal train to stop and block that crossing. The train must have encountered a stop signal further down the tracks. Is that crossing that has been closed for several years the same crossing you showed us before it was closed that had the caught semi-trailers and busses because of the steep inclines up to and from the tracks? Or was the problem crossing that I am thinking of in another location? The Indiana & Ohio train was a bonus for this video. You keep mentioning in your descriptions of locations in Cincinnati, Ohio that the Indiana & Ohio Railroad uses the tracks where you took portions of a video. This is the first time in a while that we have seen an Indiana & Ohio train.
The train didn't back up. When they released the brakes the slack in the train rolled out. They're on a grade so it rolled backwards, stretching out the train
The first train gave you a hello double toot. That was nice of him to recognize you. The train must have had an emergency stop? Back up to check brakes?
yeah 'pass on the shorts'. The lady walking the dogs at the closed crossing was fun to watch, all wrapped up in the leash. LOL. Was the CSX track former B&O? going North to Tippy City ? always good Vids. You may ought to say who was the former owner of the tracks was, may make it more interesting. Hope you got your CEL checked on your truck. Best wishes sam.
I believe I got 90 cars on that first train, the coal train that stopped. Wow, that second train was so short- only 37 cars. The short ones always take me by surprise. And another- 49 on the next train. Only 45 on the next train. You found all the short trains for this video.
We love your videos!! Got questions! Why are the overhangs on the hopper cars painted red? Is there a significance in whether the red is facing forward? Thanks Jawtooth!
Was that DPU even running it didn't sound like it. And had no light turned on. Also the last train the 3 green box cars I see more of them in the middle and eastern part of the US than out west where they are from.
It's always cool to see the trains deliver coal to the paper mill I work at. We switched to most natural gas boilers but still have a couple of coal fired ones.
Chessie looks like he's your right hand man, but the cat is very carefree and chilled
Another great video JT. Cool 4 track crossing, love those old style gates myself. Nice way to end but with a musical train lol. Thanks again.
Looked like dual service cars on the coal train. Air operated bottom dump doors or rotary dumping. The red ends denote rotary coupler locations. Liked the mini pacing of the I&O. Great video!
Thanks for the info. I was wondering about that. I didn't even know that such cars existed but I noticed the bottom dump and the rotary couplers
@@FabianDiazTrainsTrucksNCars Hello Fabian! Have a great week!
That train starting at the 15:00 mark has a very musical rhythm to it!
By backing the train up it allows each car to start rolling independently using the momentum of the preceding car to start the next car rolling taking the strain off the engines.
I would assume that reversing would push off any hanging brake shoes.
That makes no sense. You have to overcome inertia, either way.
Yup. It's called taking slack. Each coupler has several inches between compression and tension. If all the couplers are in tension then you are trying to start moving 10000 tons all at once which is beyond the capability of the engines. If you compress the train then you are only starting 100 tons which the engines can do.
Just the way Shoestring "splained it!
@@kb1kos See William Rust's comment.
Whin the engineer knocked off the bracks those cars rooled down hill the engineer is slowly pulling the train forward so the hole train doesn't get pulled backwards. Love you jaw tooth and may our God bless you.
The 1st train with the aluminium cars had hardly any graffiti on them which looked good.
Coal cars don't tend to sit in yards a lot -- they mostly run back and forth between the mine and the power plant.
Great video JT. The view up that straight track of the coal train was brilliant. It showed just how long it really was. Loved the clicky clack of that local coming out of Queensgate yard. Almost sounded musical.
Good morning . I thought that was a horn salute . Have a blessed Sunday!
I love the trains when they start blowing the smoke thanks again Brian another great video from Kentucky
Thanks for watching! This video was from Ohio but I know you are in Winchester, Ky lol
Even without your RADAR gun, Señor Jaws, I think I can help you on the speed of the coal train that stopped blocking traffic... it's going zero mph. ... Geez! I made a New Year's Resolution not to make comments like that. Here we are on Sunday the 8th of January and I've no more resolutions to break. This is shaping up to be a long year. At least we got your videos. Gracias por ellos. RT sends, Puebla, México.
Those aren't rotary dump xats. They unload from the bottom hopper doors, if you notice the 2 air hoses between each car, they control a big air cylinder on the cars that operates the hoppers doors. Also notice the paddle thing on the cars, as the cars go through the unloading chute it presses it in to operate the unloading doors and the cars empty out. Have you ever watched ccrx railroad channel. He shows how they operate.
They are rotary or bottom. I’ve rotary dumped thousands of them
They are both.
"Those aren't rotary dump [cars]"
Um. The red panels are labeled "Rotary coupler end".
Excellent great video, mr Jaw Tooth.
Good that you let see the limit of loading in this railcars: you say the equivalent is 119 ton, in Europa loading we in Rotterdam for Germany 120 ton. In 2025 when the railway from Rotterdam to Germany is ready the loadlimit for railcars for coal and ore goes to 150 ton. But what i like on this video is the last train from Indiana& Ohio. In the Netherlands is a sistercompany: Rotterdam Rail Feeding. This company is also a member of Genesee & Wyoming just like the Indiana & Ohio. Nice to see mr Jaw Tooth.
Greet from Zandvoort the Netherlands 🇾🇪🇺🇸
you've got some happy contented animals in your house nice to see them like that.
Yes, thanks, they have it made
Hey JT,
When a train has to make a stop like that, the cars bunch up together with the slack of stretched out cars. And when air is put back in the airline to release the brakes, the slack runs out backwards. Making it look like the train is starting to backup. It stops when the slack runs out from the locomotives which has the unit brakes still on. I hope that helps you! PBW
Absolutely Patrick! Great explanation.
Yep. You can see this happening at 5:54. The car PMRX 555011 stops before the car behind it: the coupler was slack while the train was moving backwards, and stretched when it stopped.
great video sir
I can see why that crossing is closed - any truck would bottom out going over it. Great NS gear in this video - even a cool DPU!
Cool, thanks!
The hiss was the engineer releasing the brakes, the backwards movement was the slack running out as the brakes released.
Man all the conveniences of home while waiting for trains Nice couch and all. Cool video.
Wonder if the city will ever raise that street (if they can)?? Has got to be an inconvenience for those living right there. Great video JT!
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It must be a nuisance to the home owners that live nearby too - the trains still seem to have to whistle for the crossing as well!
I can see why that crossing is closed - very dangerous, especially for those long flatbed trailers to get hung-up on! I can see the scrapes @13:57. I guess it could still be opened quickly for certain emergencies though.
Great location cool action great video thanks Jaw tooth
Some great captures JT you. are the best. Your videos are bar none. 👍👌😇
Glad you like them!
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Good video jawtooth
Too much of a hump at that railroad crossing. Thanks for the show JAW Tooth
I’m pretty sure the first train did not back up. When the train first stopped the couplers were bunched. When the engineer released the brakes, there was enough grade to cause the cars to roll backwards until the train was stretched. Btw this is why conductors never go between cars until the engineer confirms “set and centered” (independent brake is set and direction lever is centered (not set forward or reverse).
Thanks for the information!
Good point. Managing the slack in the train is the mark of a good engineer - he (or she) will run a section of track either bunched or stretched, depending on the track profile. a long train can have more than a carlength of slack that can cause all sorts of issues such as you mentioned, and also can cause damage to the cargo loaded in the cars - well maybe not in a coal train, but it's good practice anyway.
Happy Sunday
JawTooth
Great video
Hey jaw tooth cool trains. What's the farthest you ever driving to see trains ?. Have a great railroad day 🙋♀️😊
Well, back when I was a kid a stopped train would reverse and hit the brakes for the rebound effect of the cars bumping forward to give a little oomph to starting forward.
That was back when they were running the F7-9s.
To take the slack out so rotary couplers don't get a sudden shock.
Another great video today, Brian. Always glad to view your channel. See you on the next! 😊
They go backwards then forward after starting to check the air levels. Love to hear the knuckles make their music.
No, they check air levels by looking at the pressure gauge on the brake line.
Amazing videos Jaw Tooth keep up the good work
Thanks! Will do!
A coal train and the IORY train were a couple of nice surprises.
That was cool 😎 to get a horn salute. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! Will do!
Awesome videos! I like it when you record in Ohio
Nice catch on those Indian Ohio Railway Engines there, Jawtooth! Cool old boxcars as well! 👍
Thank you very much!
There,s a trinity plant in Cartersville, Georgia that builds those exact type of coal cars, they test everything on them before they can be sold. They test the dumping system and the brakes.
Trinity plants obviously closed down around the same time he mentioned as one closed in Greenville, PA.
Good Video, JT
Don't blame that crossing for being closed, too high.... Great Video Jaw Tooth....
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Thanks for a nice selection of trains today
Nice horn salute! I imagine that closed crossing might be due to its steepness? Too many previous truck-trailers getting stuck?
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Push in the slack so that when they start out they're basically picking up one car at a time.
Good Morning Jaw Tooth. You need a should bag to put your radio & radar gun to carry.
Like 498 beautiful video, greetings 🚂👍🙋♂️🙋♂️
Many thanks!
Amazing vídeo my friend! Greetings from brasil 🇧🇷
Thank you very much!
I like the designs of those railroad crossing pole tower things at that 4 track crossing.
Thanks Douglas coal train the james best I do of Hazzard county
Great picture quality, I can count every stone!
Great seeing the I&O engines. Thanks, Jaw Tooth.
Nice.
Great video son!! It nice to see the last consist with the engines from Genesee & Wyoming RR, I think they own more short lines then anyone else.
Thanks!
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Jaw tooth
Another awesome video
Saw two trains on sat both with 6 locamotive engines at very front it was awesome 😀
Is that the crossing where the trucks get snagged on the steepness?
Good video Jawtooth
Awesome Video Jaw Tooth
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Are they ever going to fix that steep crossing? Great video, btw
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The rooster is awake and crowing so that means a train is coming. Good catch!
1960gambit saw the exact same coal train Glendale the same day
I have the answer to your question. With a heavy train like that it is hard on the traction motors to get it to start to move all that dead weight at once. So what they do is reverse a half to one car back to use the slack in the couplers. Then they stop. This way they are pulling one car at a time to get it to start to move. The very start on moving a heavy train puts a large strain on the locomotives. I have seen this done before. This has been done sense steam locomotives. Steven Sipes
That's not what's happening, here. Look at 5:54 and you see the cars rolling back. Car PMRX 555011 stops before the car behind it. The couplers were slack as the train was moving backwards, and became stretched when it stopped. This wasn't the engineer reversing to put slack into a stretched train; it was a slack train rolling back down a slight grade and stretching as the brakes were released.
ChainsawN&W1218, great air horn on the manifest, Nathan K5LLA on an EMD SD70ACE and a GE AC44C6M trailing, I know the DPU was a GE, couldn't make out what model, nice video Man!👍😄🛤🚂
Very cool!
Could be the engineer was a subscriber to your channel and recognised you and gave you a horn salute.
No one deserves a horn salute more than you do Son 😅🤣😂Another great little vid ... Off to watch a few shorts ... Thx ...
Awesome video with a horn salute but wait there’s more and a dpu working hard 😎👍🇺🇸🚂❄️
When charging the air brake system on a train.
It takes a minute or a sec. for all the the lines to be fully charged, this would cause the freight cars to be released of rolling backwards a little,
then stop before pulling forward.
We're dealing doubles/ triples
So, pulling more than a number of freight cars , the air is flowing thru the lines. The locomotives also have a valve similar to a TPV that releases air into the system.
I enjoyed that video👍👍
Thanks 👍
I heard each railroad coal car weights 120 tons fully loaded and I remember you did a video about a coal train and you got covered by coal dust lol 😆 . There were 91 coal cars × 120 tons = 10,920 tons plus two engines that weigh around 200 tons each so you are talking about total weight for the whole Train 11,320 tons that is alot of weight and I have seen coal trains with two or three engines in the back to and I was surprised this train didn't have extra engines too.
Back up to take slack out the couplers. Add up the space btween is a couple of feet. Cant get rolling unless they do .
Yup. They back it up to stretch it out before they proceed forward to save the bang on the couplers.
No, backing up is would compress the couplers, not stretch them.
@@beeble2003 When they back up and stop it stretches the cars out so that when they go forward it doesn't bang the couplers.
@@richardwo4543 No, really. If you back up, you're pushing the cars together.
@@beeble2003 I see that you do not understand the logistics of train operation. That's ok. Have a nice day.
Hey Jaw Tooth, have You ever visited the Ernest Warthher Woodcarvers (Train) Museum in Dover, Ohio. If not...be sure to check it out. Man, I know You'll be amazed! I'm a train lover... and I was simply Knocked-out!!
Great rail video!!
Imagine what we would see in Queens gate yard if only someone had a drone!
Nice video at various locations in Cincinnati, Ohio, Jawa Tooth! That was unusual for that loaded CSX coal train to stop and block that crossing. The train must have encountered a stop signal further down the tracks. Is that crossing that has been closed for several years the same crossing you showed us before it was closed that had the caught semi-trailers and busses because of the steep inclines up to and from the tracks? Or was the problem crossing that I am thinking of in another location? The Indiana & Ohio train was a bonus for this video. You keep mentioning in your descriptions of locations in Cincinnati, Ohio that the Indiana & Ohio Railroad uses the tracks where you took portions of a video. This is the first time in a while that we have seen an Indiana & Ohio train.
That last one was close to Mitchell Ave. Exit off I-75, exit to the Cincinnati zoo!
Excellent 👍 video 📸📷
The train didn't back up. When they released the brakes the slack in the train rolled out. They're on a grade so it rolled backwards, stretching out the train
And jaw tooth theirs a train coming good sounding horn slute that's nice ❤😊
Nice Video
Thanks!!
I wonder how many cars went airborne over that That closed crossing trying to beat the train. Thanks for the video.
Nice job of ad libbing when the coal train stopped. Very interesting information.
Thanks for watching
Jawtooth to the rescue!
Thanks for another awesome video.
Thanks for watching!
The first train gave you a hello double toot. That was nice of him to recognize you. The train must have had an emergency stop? Back up to check brakes?
Great video as usual👍(Queensgate has the coolest tower)
yeah 'pass on the shorts'. The lady walking the dogs at the closed crossing was fun to watch, all wrapped up in the leash. LOL. Was the CSX track former B&O? going North to Tippy City ? always good Vids. You may ought to say who was the former owner of the tracks was, may make it more interesting. Hope you got your CEL checked on your truck. Best wishes sam.
I believe I got 90 cars on that first train, the coal train that stopped. Wow, that second train was so short- only 37 cars. The short ones always take me by surprise. And another- 49 on the next train. Only 45 on the next train. You found all the short trains for this video.
Alot of times im at Longview Amtrak and its right by a crew change, idk why, i see it all the time and cant explain, potentially air related?
We love your videos!! Got questions! Why are the overhangs on the hopper cars painted red? Is there a significance in whether the red is facing forward? Thanks Jawtooth!
Pretty sure it was your choreography planning.🚂😉☺️
Correct!
Awesome video and loved the coal train JT!!!
Thank you very much!
@@JawTooth You're welcome!!!
I would think the closed crossing still has active warning equipment because pedestrians and bikes probably still use it.
That first train was long. Only two engines at the front moving that long line of aluminum open hopper cars.
92 carsx119 ton is 10.948 ton, Brian.😊
Thank You Jaw Tooth 🦷!!!
Good video sir
Thanks
Was that DPU even running it didn't sound like it. And had no light turned on.
Also the last train the 3 green box cars I see more of them in the middle and eastern part of the US than out west where they are from.