nice crew reaction. Thanks for showing what it looks like when real people try to go fast in a sailboat. We all think we're an america's cup crew, but really this happens more often than our significant others want to know. :)
@@daycharter everyone on that boat "could've" had an accident. The point is they knew what they were doing were to be and what the next steps were, almost working as one.
1. In breeze like this, sailing dead down is less stable since the flow over the sails switching from slightly by-the-lee to running to reaching drastically changes the forces and balance of the boat. Sail slightly on a reach and the boat will be way more stable. 2. Someone calls to "blow it", and both the sheet and guy are blown at the same time. This is one of the worst mistakes that is commonly made in this situation. By default only blow the sheet and keep the guy cleated. There are very few situations where blowing the guy is the right call. 3. Downwind in heavy breeze in the J24, hold onto the tiller (not the extension) with both hands. My guess is you probably still would have gybed and wiped out due to the other mistakes, but dropping the tiller was the final nail in the coffin. That race was gnarly. Our spinnaker tore to shreds! thanks for posting the video!
No, if the kite were set better immediately they would have been fine. The pole was too far aft, and undersheeted. Result, see the kite pull hard out to weather. Death roll and gybe was inevitable.
I've found if I trim the main ahead of time, it will prevent the death roll and snap the boat back up straight....sometimes and only if done in time. If the main is all the way out, there is little to keep the spin from overpowering on that side and broaching. Good that your lazarettes are latched down! I've seen a J24 sunk by having a lazarette flip open at the wrong time!
Kite is too far out. Centreline should pull straight, not out to starboard here. Pole was too far back for that much wind. Instant death roll inevitable. 70% sailors probably get this wrong.
Nice work! The first time I broached, I didn't know what a broach was! It really got my attention. Got the captain's attention too (he was below... heh heh)
@@SailDallasRacing I actually emailed them asking about pricing a while back, but they never responded. I used the email on their website, so one would assume it’s good. But you know what they say about “assume”: ASS of U & ME!
So, letting the main out and pulling the pole back works greak in 15 knots but is a formula for a leeward broach in 25+. I've been there and done that quite a few times! As the pole comes back, you can also trim the main in to keep the boat balanced but you have to ease main to match else you get a windard broach. It turns out that I know lots of ways to broach that coach. But, hats off to you for flying the chute in 30 kts.
I carried a smaller triangle cut spinaker that i flew like a kite. Would let it out and let her climb. 40 knots is a bit much for a sail that large. Planing with a 6 foot rooster tail is kind of exhilarating, then theres the death roll tho and the broach.
let the pole be a bit forward when in a blow. slight over trimming can tuck some of the sail behind the main. the crew needs to be out of the center of the boat. J/24's are very tender when the crew is more in the center line. good recovery. everyone on board was calm
That was originally the stock pole configuration. But the twings handle that job just as well, and the cockpit can handle that better than the foredeck. Letting them go too late could keep her from freeing the sheet from the pole. Pulling the new twing too soon could easily Prevent her from getting it made. So why not leave the twings to whoever's got the sheets. Twings + Foreguy is redundant.
@@SailDallasRacing They are great sailing boats and there is a breeze and fighting a spin in the breeze is no fun. I do offshore sailing with thousands of miles away from sight of land sailing and people ask me about the lean and if the boat will tip over in a breeze or a storm and I tell people a sail boat won't tip over* (*unless you are using a spinnaker) 😜
I don’t race, but in 30+ knots is a spinnaker really going to give you much speed over a Genoa or even a standard 100% jib? I mean-after a certain wind state, hull speed is hull speed and additional sail just creates additional headaches, no?
Absolutely hate broaching. Racing sailing dinghys you'd be out front flying like the wind and then some big wave comes along lifts you up, spins you around, flips you the bird and you're in the drink.
We sailing too deep and the boat began to death role (happens when your sailing dead down wind in heavy air and the helm lost steerage and the boat rounded up there is the full video on my channel and there is some really good videos explaining why a sailboat broaches
@@SailDallasRacingWrong. You set the kite wrong. It must pull dead straight ahead. See it pull to weather on set, not powering dead ahead. Pole was slightly too far aft, sheet not quite in enough. Most sailors never understand this.
Yea the chute was way out, but the round Down had already started: The boat turned left bc all the sail power was way out to the right, swinging them into a left turn. After the main went across it turned into a round Up. Having the jib up isn't helping, but sometimes on a short leg it's justifiable.@@SailDallasRacing
Why????? 30kn and trying to fly a kite, nah mate, you're lucky the sail didn't rip apart, fair enough you're racing, but that broach could have catastrophic results with the main gybing out of control, I've seen the results of this shit on way bigger boats than mid 20's, don't be stupid, just fly the genoa safely and come in unscathed, I've seen people knocked out, overboard, broken rigs, shredded sails, knocked down, spreaders and boom in the drink. Fuck that shit, that's exactly why I don't race anymore, try that shit on a 62' boat with 18 crew on board or a 48' boat with a carbon rig and only runners, no backstay. Stupidity, at least have a top down furling asymmetric on a torsion stay which can be reefed if you want to be stupid, do it intelligently. Any wind angle aft of 120° the main is on a spectra preventer and the genoa poled out rather than the kite, then again I am a cruiser now so very conservative with sail plans
Foredeckers Union member... cool calm and collected, hugs the mast, waits for the boom to go boom and gets on with the jibe🎉❤.. nice work!!
" She's barely hanging on!". No, it's the newbies that slide into the lifelines. She's got it goin on.
nice crew reaction. Thanks for showing what it looks like when real people try to go fast in a sailboat. We all think we're an america's cup crew, but really this happens more often than our significant others want to know. :)
Thank you we do it more times that we would like to admit. But it’s always entertaining to watch.
What's the big deal? This is sailing ⛵️
Pretty decent crew work! Everybody knows exactly what to do, wish we could've seen her make the pole! Nice double team on the new guy.
Everybody but the guy working the ropes decided to lean away instead of slacking the line.
Overpowered, an uncontrolled gybe, huge stress on the sails & rig...
Out of control at the helm.
Yes, Epic!@@petertaylor8922
The woman close to the mast could have an accident with the boom
@@daycharter everyone on that boat "could've" had an accident. The point is they knew what they were doing were to be and what the next steps were, almost working as one.
1. In breeze like this, sailing dead down is less stable since the flow over the sails switching from slightly by-the-lee to running to reaching drastically changes the forces and balance of the boat. Sail slightly on a reach and the boat will be way more stable.
2. Someone calls to "blow it", and both the sheet and guy are blown at the same time. This is one of the worst mistakes that is commonly made in this situation. By default only blow the sheet and keep the guy cleated. There are very few situations where blowing the guy is the right call.
3. Downwind in heavy breeze in the J24, hold onto the tiller (not the extension) with both hands. My guess is you probably still would have gybed and wiped out due to the other mistakes, but dropping the tiller was the final nail in the coffin.
That race was gnarly. Our spinnaker tore to shreds! thanks for posting the video!
I completely agree thank you for the critiques!
This is all Greek to me, but DAMN, that's an exciting short. Thanks for giving me words to research 😂
@@SailDallasRacingAnd this, ladies and gentlemen, is how you take criticism.
I'm a little late to the party but I love this broach video bro!!!!! Good choice in song too!
Thank you James!
😂 and 40 knop it will 75 km/h go on but buy ny instrument 😂
nice clean team-work. Love it.
Great crew work, they know their stuff!!!
I love the way white cap fills the chute; he sure did his part.
Hummm Maybe a bit to much wind to be flying a spinnaker in the first place
Could be
No, if the kite were set better immediately they would have been fine. The pole was too far aft, and undersheeted. Result, see the kite pull hard out to weather. Death roll and gybe was inevitable.
@@DavidTangye The dance is a fine line in those conditions
Agreed, even if you have a high sailing aptitude the chances or ruining your spinnaker (or much more) are not worth the gamble.
Been in a E scow 30 knots with chute up, went to church on sunday
can't beat a J/24. best little boats ever
I agree!
They got hold of that really quick. Impressive.
I've found if I trim the main ahead of time, it will prevent the death roll and snap the boat back up straight....sometimes and only if done in time. If the main is all the way out, there is little to keep the spin from overpowering on that side and broaching. Good that your lazarettes are latched down! I've seen a J24 sunk by having a lazarette flip open at the wrong time!
It can definitely happen thank you for the tip!
I learned on a 470. I learned real fast, if you’re getting in trouble, just dump the mane
I would add that is only true if you are truely dead downwind..if any angle dump main quick
Kite is too far out. Centreline should pull straight, not out to starboard here. Pole was too far back for that much wind. Instant death roll inevitable. 70% sailors probably get this wrong.
They squared for the gybe.@@DavidTangye
Wow, to see the boat excelerate like that!
It really takes off
Nice work! The first time I broached, I didn't know what a broach was! It really got my attention. Got the captain's attention too (he was below... heh heh)
I really want to learn to sail.
Find a yacht club or sailing club near you and give them a call there is always people looking for new crew to come race with them.
@@SailDallasRacing they actually do sailing lessons at the yacht club near me. I just haven’t gone there yet. But I’m hoping to this summer.
Do it!
@@SailDallasRacing I actually emailed them asking about pricing a while back, but they never responded. I used the email on their website, so one would assume it’s good.
But you know what they say about “assume”: ASS of U & ME!
So, letting the main out and pulling the pole back works greak in 15 knots but is a formula for a leeward broach in 25+. I've been there and done that quite a few times!
As the pole comes back, you can also trim the main in to keep the boat balanced but you have to ease main to match else you get a windard broach.
It turns out that I know lots of ways to broach that coach.
But, hats off to you for flying the chute in 30 kts.
I agree we were way too deep
@@SailDallasRacing Those conditions are just tough in a j24. That boat is soooo twitchy.
Great work from the girl at the mast ; she stays on her post whatever happens 👍💪
Woo these guys are good
Go the J's..... Crackin' little boats!
Yeeehhhhaaaawwwww
When it goes wrong. It goes wrong fast!
It sure does!
Oh Jean😁😁😁💪💪💪💪
A bad day on the water beats a good day in the office every time. Also... ya gotta love the _violence_ of sailing!
Go on boys!
I carried a smaller triangle cut spinaker that i flew like a kite. Would let it out and let her climb.
40 knots is a bit much for a sail that large. Planing with a 6 foot rooster tail is kind of exhilarating, then theres the death roll tho and the broach.
Love it
Newbie at spinnakers but isn't the rule, keep the boat under the spinnaker?
Anyway thanks for posting, great POV, high pucker factor that's tangible.
Absolutely correct as soon as the chute gets away from the boat. Should have ease the pole forward to get the chute back under the boat.
The most famous saying. Keep the boat under the rig lol
That looks like great fun and a nice challenge. ❤
Ah...broaching isn't exactly great fun.
let the pole be a bit forward when in a blow. slight over trimming can tuck some of the sail behind the main. the crew needs to be out of the center of the boat. J/24's are very tender when the crew is more in the center line. good recovery. everyone on board was calm
I agree
What a blast! I had stronger winds once and had a J/30 on its side. Winches were at the water.
That’s a big boat to have on its side!
Almost did a gooswing jibe. 😮
I am maybe late, but it’s the helm lost? And is not this the reason of the out of control?
Autant d'adrénaline qu'un 230 sur une bonne bécane ❤
i wish I were the bowperson. a rare chance to gybe in that weather.
Wind is no joke on a boat.
That's what happens when you forget the kicker (foreguy in America)
I started on them. Js and lasers. Then I discovered burning dinosaurs was much easier lol
Was nobody on the new sheet during the jibe? Good recovery though
The music is perfect.
Thank you!
Former J/24 foredeck hand here - I know that mast hug well.
I sail a 43' Columbia normally myself and my wife. This group is doing a hell of a job! Nice control on that jibe👍
Thank you!!
Luke pole back, gybe broach!
😂😂
Life cant get any better. Try sailing from South Africa to uk one way.
That would be a awesome sail
Does the J24 not have a down haul for the spin pole?
Depends on the boat some do some don’t on. This is something we have talked about and plan to add to the boat.
That was originally the stock pole configuration. But the twings handle that job just as well, and the cockpit can handle that better than the foredeck. Letting them go too late could keep her from freeing the sheet from the pole. Pulling the new twing too soon could easily Prevent her from getting it made. So why not leave the twings to whoever's got the sheets.
Twings + Foreguy is redundant.
This is fire. I love sailing like a fat kid loves cake.
Thank you!
Never wear a hat when flying the spinnaker
Err...Life vest folks...?
Shouldn’t he have turned starboard?
And then let spinnaker down .
Yes he tried to but the boat got away from him and he let go of the tiller by mistake.
@@SailDallasRacing lots of pull in a spinnaker .
Sailing & aviation videos, where all the experts lay in wait.
No kidding😂
If over-powered was a short.
No kidding
Why launch the spinnaker? The only thing you'll win is a Darwin award
We were racing at a national championship.
Is 30-40 knots really spinnaker weather on a J24?
Not reefed, barley any white caps,...maybe 20 knots..
We don’t have reef points!
In a national regatta it may be I think the boat does well in heavy air
@@SailDallasRacing They are great sailing boats and there is a breeze and fighting a spin in the breeze is no fun. I do offshore sailing with thousands of miles away from sight of land sailing and people ask me about the lean and if the boat will tip over in a breeze or a storm and I tell people a sail boat won't tip over* (*unless you are using a spinnaker) 😜
Haha you’re right!
Pucker factor 9000
I agree
Spinnaker is a dangerous toy
Helmsman drops the stick
😂 👍🙈
Whoops! Where was this?
Davis island yacht club feb 23-25
C'est courageux de sortir un SPI dans ces conditions
fly a spinnaker in 30-40
asking for that yard sale
They nearly died...3 times 😂
I don’t race, but in 30+ knots is a spinnaker really going to give you much speed over a Genoa or even a standard 100% jib?
I mean-after a certain wind state, hull speed is hull speed and additional sail just creates additional headaches, no?
That is an awful lot of canvas up for those winds.
I love sailing, but that doesn't look like fun to me 😂
Too much power.
Did the skipper get it wrong with that spinnaker? Not judging, just trying to understand.
Geez drop sail for sake. It is the throttle and brakes
Sailing a kite in strong winds Dahh I hope skipper learn't
why oh why didn't you snuff it halfway
"pole back".... Bad idea.
Up and forward in that much wind.
30 knts you arnt racing a j24 fucking dangerous
A lee broch is a bitch, you can bend a pole or lose a mast. The spinnaker over powered main when it was trimmed so far back it cause the lee broch.
way too much sail for wind conditions. got blown down.
Spinaker up in 40 kts.. at least optimisticlucky not instantly rip in half
Trying to get mother nature under the foot
Спеньч поставил и увалил, зачем?
..because its from CHINA
Absolutely hate broaching. Racing sailing dinghys you'd be out front flying like the wind and then some big wave comes along lifts you up, spins you around, flips you the bird and you're in the drink.
Been there too many times but, hey! I'm glad you didn't get stuck with the main under preventer on the windward side.
Ouch that would be rough being stuck there. I’ve seen people get stuck between the vang and the shrouds
Drpping the tiller didnt help.
Release the kicker when heeling to windward before the jibe is not so clever
No life jecs!
I do not get why people like doing it?
I think most people like the compilation
I hate running.
Beginner sailor here…. What actually happened?
We sailing too deep and the boat began to death role (happens when your sailing dead down wind in heavy air and the helm lost steerage and the boat rounded up there is the full video on my channel and there is some really good videos explaining why a sailboat broaches
@@SailDallasRacingWrong. You set the kite wrong. It must pull dead straight ahead. See it pull to weather on set, not powering dead ahead. Pole was slightly too far aft, sheet not quite in enough. Most sailors never understand this.
Yea the chute was way out, but the round Down had already started: The boat turned left bc all the sail power was way out to the right, swinging them into a left turn. After the main went across it turned into a round Up. Having the jib up isn't helping, but sometimes on a short leg it's justifiable.@@SailDallasRacing
Both twings are on, cut them a little slack@@DavidTangye
Just get a motor
Why????? 30kn and trying to fly a kite, nah mate, you're lucky the sail didn't rip apart, fair enough you're racing, but that broach could have catastrophic results with the main gybing out of control, I've seen the results of this shit on way bigger boats than mid 20's, don't be stupid, just fly the genoa safely and come in unscathed, I've seen people knocked out, overboard, broken rigs, shredded sails, knocked down, spreaders and boom in the drink. Fuck that shit, that's exactly why I don't race anymore, try that shit on a 62' boat with 18 crew on board or a 48' boat with a carbon rig and only runners, no backstay.
Stupidity, at least have a top down furling asymmetric on a torsion stay which can be reefed if you want to be stupid, do it intelligently.
Any wind angle aft of 120° the main is on a spectra preventer and the genoa poled out rather than the kite, then again I am a cruiser now so very conservative with sail plans
...and another reason why sailboats are stupid
Sorry to Hear you think that have you ever been on one?
Man she kicked into gear. Who's on the helm? Oops. Great team recovery. 👏