It’s probably less about the person actually questioning the worth of the degree / experience, and more about slight feeling of betrayal, deception or at the very least disillusionment about their post degree situation.
Indeed. I can only imagine the frustration is much higher for engineering majors because that's one of those degrees that more directly positions a person for a specific career path - at least, compared to the other degrees from a place like UC Davis. Think how many times a student told you their major, and you asked (either out loud or inside your head), "What are you doing to do with that?" And it's a fair question: many majors are less a means to an end and more a means to the next step. Compare that to meeting an engineering major. Their path seems clearer. "Structural engineering... so pre-law, then?" Or "Biological systems. So obviously you'll be getting your K-6 teaching credential." An engineering degree tends to have an end goal baked into it. So when it doesn't achieve that end right away, it will almost certainly feel like you got cheated or betrayed.
As an old guy let me add 2 bits of perspective. I've been part of the hiring team in dozens and dozens interviews and the most common thing in all of them was the random and capricious nature of the process. Pay to have your resumes professionally written and try to do informational interviews for feedback. Customize your resume for the job you are applying for. Secondly, may daughter graduated from Davis last June and finally got a job in February. When she got the first call she didn't even remember what the job was because her original application had been 6 months prior. She went through 2 months of interviews and now has the exact job she wanted in the place she wanted. Gauruv said try something adjacent to aerospace, and that can be true, but don't get too far away. Many people who settle for jobs make less and they have a hard time catching up later on when the didn't stick close to their degree. As I said, the process can be random, don't take anything personally and just keep it up. Because as Gauruv noted, looking for work is full time work and its a BIG project. Good Luck.
Agree. I'm probably about Steve's age, and I've been on the hiring side of the job interview 10 times as often as I've been in the hot seat. While I have had 1-2 interviews in which all of the candidates were lacking, the vast majority are such that we have plenty of good candidates. It's a nice problem to have, but has to suck for the person(s) who didn't get the job because there really wasn't anything wrong with them. In the end, we look much more at experience than education. If a person doesn't have direct experience, which they don't always do, then Gauruv is correct: you might find someone who has been "adjacent" to what you're looking for. I've been a public information officer for almost 30 years now. Someone who worked for a newspaper for 10 years and holds a journalism degree might go up against someone who graduated last year with a liberal art's degree but who interned in the PR office for a minor league baseball team. Between the two, the first person is more qualified on paper. But the second person will actually be more directly familiar with what we do, so I'm going with them. But you can imagine the first person is having the biggest WTF-what-was-it-all-for moment.
@@6thwilbury2331 This is very annoying though, at least in my country, there was a huuuuuge shortage of engineers, journalists said our country would collapse without it (journalists always exaggerate for clicks). But now you are saying you have plenty of good candidates? So engineering is more or less on the level of political science now? The degree is not enough anymore, we need to have internships, the right personality etc. Then the market is saturated for engineers clearly.
Well the thing is, it should not be a big project, how did we get here? An engineering degree should clearly be more than enough to get many offers. Otherwise it is just as sturated as political science etcc.
@ I never even implied that engineering degrees are on the level of political science degrees. Not sure where that inference came from. But yes, the work experience (e.g. internships) and "the right personality" will ultimately play more of a part of your hiring than your degree or the name of the school. This is true in any industry, not just engineering.
It's a conspiracy. I know. I was on the inside of it. I'm a retired Engineering Project Manager. I was constantly asked to attend STEM recruitment efforts, while at work management was cutting engineering salaries, kicking engineers out of the front office, cutting staff, and dumping the work on the rest. Oh, it was worth it for me, big time. But for young people today? I would say, "show me the money". Have you noticed how many (Boeing) whistleblowers are showing up these days? That's one reason why they cut engineers...
I've been binging your videos lately and you just got a subscriber. I'm starting an aerospace engineering degree this summer and I'm absolutely terrified of falling flat on my face. Your videos have been so helpful and encouraging, thank you!
I kinda felt the same right after I graduated, I had a hard time finding a job. It feels impossible to find a job when you haven't found one yet, once you find one it feels easy. Idk. On the flip side, after getting hired, my co-workers expressed how difficult it was to find qualified candidates. They found it hard to believe many applicants had the degrees that they claimed due to their lack of knowledge/ skills. The job market is just a big cluster and it sucks for everyone.
The comment I heard was from my friends mom that when her dad went into sales they had him go door to door trying to sell a dirty mop it teaches you to accept rejection. Good thought experiment.
I’m two years into my mechanical engineering degree and I love engineering and the ability to create things but I’m not sure if I should continue my degree. Reason being is I’ve also been in the military as a Combat Medic and love being in a tactical role and want to become a law enforcement officer and work my way up to SWAT or SRT. I had to take a break from school bcus of a deployment and now I feel behind and as much as I love engineeeing, I really don’t want to work for a company or corporation where I sit in an office all day. So my question to anyone willing to answer is, should I continue engineering because I love it and want to create my projects on my own, even though I don’t want to work a traditional engineering job OR should I use this break from school as an opportunity to switch degrees to something that will aid my Law Enforcment career like Psychology and Sociology, CJ, Law, etc. something to aid me in human interactions while also ticking the box for a 4 year degree for three letter agencies like FBI. Any tips would help thank you, really torn about this lol. I know I can finish whatever degree I set my mind too, just not sure which one.
I get what you are saying but the only thing which I do not understand is that why is it that we should pay money, put effort and spent 4 years of our life to not get a job in our field but in some other field which is not that hard to get even without the degree ?
Engineering majors are learning what it’s like to be an English major lol
Getting a college degree is like buying into a poker table. You don't win automatically, but it gets you a seat at the table.
YOOOOO 🫨 now THIS is the perfect analogy 🤝
It’s probably less about the person actually questioning the worth of the degree / experience, and more about slight feeling of betrayal, deception or at the very least disillusionment about their post degree situation.
Indeed. I can only imagine the frustration is much higher for engineering majors because that's one of those degrees that more directly positions a person for a specific career path - at least, compared to the other degrees from a place like UC Davis. Think how many times a student told you their major, and you asked (either out loud or inside your head), "What are you doing to do with that?" And it's a fair question: many majors are less a means to an end and more a means to the next step.
Compare that to meeting an engineering major. Their path seems clearer. "Structural engineering... so pre-law, then?" Or "Biological systems. So obviously you'll be getting your K-6 teaching credential."
An engineering degree tends to have an end goal baked into it. So when it doesn't achieve that end right away, it will almost certainly feel like you got cheated or betrayed.
"Disillusionment" is the perfect word - the reality of the adult world is truly realized once you actually enter it
Soooo what youre saying is that a engineering degree will enable me to develop a crippeling gambling addiction?
You can bet on it
Not just engineering either. Being an interpreter for a Japanese baseball player might also have such an outcome.
Shots.
As an old guy let me add 2 bits of perspective. I've been part of the hiring team in dozens and dozens interviews and the most common thing in all of them was the random and capricious nature of the process. Pay to have your resumes professionally written and try to do informational interviews for feedback. Customize your resume for the job you are applying for.
Secondly, may daughter graduated from Davis last June and finally got a job in February. When she got the first call she didn't even remember what the job was because her original application had been 6 months prior. She went through 2 months of interviews and now has the exact job she wanted in the place she wanted. Gauruv said try something adjacent to aerospace, and that can be true, but don't get too far away. Many people who settle for jobs make less and they have a hard time catching up later on when the didn't stick close to their degree. As I said, the process can be random, don't take anything personally and just keep it up. Because as Gauruv noted, looking for work is full time work and its a BIG project. Good Luck.
Agree. I'm probably about Steve's age, and I've been on the hiring side of the job interview 10 times as often as I've been in the hot seat. While I have had 1-2 interviews in which all of the candidates were lacking, the vast majority are such that we have plenty of good candidates. It's a nice problem to have, but has to suck for the person(s) who didn't get the job because there really wasn't anything wrong with them.
In the end, we look much more at experience than education. If a person doesn't have direct experience, which they don't always do, then Gauruv is correct: you might find someone who has been "adjacent" to what you're looking for. I've been a public information officer for almost 30 years now. Someone who worked for a newspaper for 10 years and holds a journalism degree might go up against someone who graduated last year with a liberal art's degree but who interned in the PR office for a minor league baseball team. Between the two, the first person is more qualified on paper. But the second person will actually be more directly familiar with what we do, so I'm going with them. But you can imagine the first person is having the biggest WTF-what-was-it-all-for moment.
Amazing perspective and advice Steve!
@@6thwilbury2331 This is very annoying though, at least in my country, there was a huuuuuge shortage of engineers, journalists said our country would collapse without it (journalists always exaggerate for clicks). But now you are saying you have plenty of good candidates? So engineering is more or less on the level of political science now? The degree is not enough anymore, we need to have internships, the right personality etc. Then the market is saturated for engineers clearly.
Well the thing is, it should not be a big project, how did we get here? An engineering degree should clearly be more than enough to get many offers. Otherwise it is just as sturated as political science etcc.
@ I never even implied that engineering degrees are on the level of political science degrees. Not sure where that inference came from.
But yes, the work experience (e.g. internships) and "the right personality" will ultimately play more of a part of your hiring than your degree or the name of the school. This is true in any industry, not just engineering.
It's a conspiracy. I know. I was on the inside of it. I'm a retired Engineering Project Manager. I was constantly asked to attend STEM recruitment efforts, while at work management was cutting engineering salaries, kicking engineers out of the front office, cutting staff, and dumping the work on the rest. Oh, it was worth it for me, big time. But for young people today? I would say, "show me the money". Have you noticed how many (Boeing) whistleblowers are showing up these days? That's one reason why they cut engineers...
Unfortunately engineers need the jobs more than the jobs need the engineers 😔
I've been binging your videos lately and you just got a subscriber. I'm starting an aerospace engineering degree this summer and I'm absolutely terrified of falling flat on my face. Your videos have been so helpful and encouraging, thank you!
You might fall flat on your face, but don't worry - that's part of it! 😁 Thanks so much for the support and good luck this summer!
I love your videos, a real guy talking from experience, no fluff, no smoke and mirrors. Keep going!
I appreciate the support! :D
I kinda felt the same right after I graduated, I had a hard time finding a job. It feels impossible to find a job when you haven't found one yet, once you find one it feels easy. Idk.
On the flip side, after getting hired, my co-workers expressed how difficult it was to find qualified candidates. They found it hard to believe many applicants had the degrees that they claimed due to their lack of knowledge/ skills.
The job market is just a big cluster and it sucks for everyone.
An all around suckfest is a pretty appropriate description of the job market lol
The comment I heard was from my friends mom that when her dad went into sales they had him go door to door trying to sell a dirty mop it teaches you to accept rejection. Good thought experiment.
Ya I've heard of this idea of "rejection therapy" and its many benefits - definitely interesting to look into
I’m two years into my mechanical engineering degree and I love engineering and the ability to create things but I’m not sure if I should continue my degree. Reason being is I’ve also been in the military as a Combat Medic and love being in a tactical role and want to become a law enforcement officer and work my way up to SWAT or SRT. I had to take a break from school bcus of a deployment and now I feel behind and as much as I love engineeeing, I really don’t want to work for a company or corporation where I sit in an office all day. So my question to anyone willing to answer is, should I continue engineering because I love it and want to create my projects on my own, even though I don’t want to work a traditional engineering job OR should I use this break from school as an opportunity to switch degrees to something that will aid my Law Enforcment career like Psychology and Sociology, CJ, Law, etc. something to aid me in human interactions while also ticking the box for a 4 year degree for three letter agencies like FBI. Any tips would help thank you, really torn about this lol. I know I can finish whatever degree I set my mind too, just not sure which one.
Thanks for your insights they have been very helpful
Glad to hear! Thanks for watching :)
I get what you are saying but the only thing which I do not understand is that why is it that we should pay money, put effort and spent 4 years of our life to not get a job in our field but in some other field which is not that hard to get even without the degree ?
My advice is to pursue a job that aligns with your career goals - whether that be engineering or not, it is up to you
You kinda remind me of Moist Critikal / penguinz0
Shoutout Sir Charles 🐧
thoughts on BME?
ong I'm considering switching to computer engineering
it is certainly a type of engineering
didn’t know cr1tikal got an engineering degree 🤔
sir charles is a true renaissance man 🐧
This guy says things that I think better than I think them he prolly 15 more IQ than me give or take 5
Good communication skills can be a sign of intelligence, but it is not the sole indicator
Just tell them they are unhireable and move on 😂 jk jk
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