Why A Degree In Audio Production Is a Waste of Money
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- Опубліковано 1 лис 2017
- If your goal is to run your own recording studio, become an audio engineer, or do any sort of music production, there is a better way to learn. You don't have to spent $80,000 to learn this stuff anymore.
I went to Audio school. And the teacher went on UA-cam to teach us. I was laughing.
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can u let me know what videos or channels?
What were the videos?
what school is this? and can you share the name or the links?
Fuck that school and fuck that teacher, get your money back.
The most successful producers, engineers, and film makers were and are still self taught.
1000000%
it all depends, John Mayer, charlie puth, quincy jones, kenny beats went to berklee, does it mean that if you go to a university or academy you will become successful not necessarily, but does mean its a waste of money, you might learn stuff that you never would learn cause it doesnt SEEM IMPORTANT,
@@dulla8469 The best part is, institutes like Berklee does offer some limited courses for free. You can learn the fundamentals without compromising quality. Combine that with a little effort from your side, it's all you'll need.
Define self taught. To what degree?
@Brandon Lucia Correct. But the schools here are still overpriced. In reality, they are pulling too much money out of people's pockets
If you have a passion for something nothings a waste of time 😂
@caring is creepy That is so cool and inspiring / encouraging. What is your first language? My second question is how long did it take to achieve the success that you sought after? Don't stop there. All i want to know is how long ago did you start your journey? Thank you, and much love from the States! :)
the title doesn't say time, it says 'money'. big difference
It's a waste of money tho
That sounds sounds, but doesn't actually make any logical sense.
YvngGoat exactlyyyy
This doesn't only apply to this field of study either. The entire system is beyond broken.
Designed that way based on the Prussian system, sadly. You are so correct. And I 'live in' the system. Not music, but good old higher ed.
Ask indian students ,what a broken system really is ....P
@@smhhms2000 right. After reading the Iserbyt and Gatto books I really can't believe this is the situation. Thinking of the kids especially tears at me.
This all depends on where you attend school and what you want out of it as a job. My professors strictly said at orientation, "If you're in this just to make beats, then this isn't the program for you." and they were exactly right. Most people I've spoken to in high school simply just want to make beats, which is fine! But, you don't need to go to school to make beats. You go to school to learn acoustics, psychoacoustics, speakers, microphones, consoles and mixers, the process of making a great recording, the process of mixing a record well, or post production. My school teaches a lot more than this, but this is what I learned my first year. You also need to understand what an Audio Engineering/Production (there are so many names for this degree) can get you. Look at different jobs, the most common ones are Recording Engineer, Mixing Engineer, Producer, and Mastering Engineer. Then there are jobs like Foley Artists, Audio Forensics, Audio Archivists, Sound Design, DJing (more on the common side), Live Sound Engineering, just to name a few. Expand your options and be open to new things! If you go to the right school with the right mindset, you will succeed in the industry of Audio.
Nicely put, Ryan.
Exactly. Everyone goes into it thinking it's going to be some FL Studio course lol. It's about having a deeper understanding recording and music as a whole. I plan to take my audio production degree to work on music/sound effects for video games and possibly film. It's more than just learning what you can learn at home.
@@HAB-BITUAL That's great! There are TONS of Post Production jobs out there, you're interested in a great aspect of the audio industry. There are so many cool jobs in this industry but everyone wants the same thing. Personally, I am getting a degree with my concentration in Music Engineering and two certificates, one in Advanced Live Sound Production and one in Advanced Post Production. I'm learning and enjoying so many different things that I would've never imagined myself enjoying. I love recording Foley and Dialogue which I thought I would've hated, but my school made the curriculum for these topics really fun and interesting. I couldn't be happier!
@@ryang9529 what school do you attend?
@@210ktsGazer I currently attend the New England School of Communications which is a sub-school of Husson University.
After about 4 years of producing on my own, self taught, using UA-cam and all the similar platforms, I kind of hit a plateau. I needed to grow more, and the structure of school and being held accountable really keeps me on course. Because of issues very similar to what was discussed in the video, I decided to enroll in 2 certificate programs with Berklee.
The total tuition comes to about $12,000, and I have to say I couldn't be more happy with my results so far. It cost money but it's a manageable amount. And I'm learning things I didn't get from any guy on UA-cam. It's also structured and progresses in a way that makes sense and is more effective.
I think this route is a really good option for people stuck in a similar situation.
couldn't AGREE ANYMORE !!
Exactly what I’m on bro! I’ve pretty much capped what UA-cam and others can show and teach but I actually need that hands on and a more technical not know how “but understanding” as well as what you said that progressive accountability. Money is only a waste when you waste the time with it. I’m sure if my paying LA Film School close to $10K a semester I’m not getting the short hand of the knowledge, know how, networking, and rich resources it will provide. It’s a game you play it to win it’s a strategic investment.
I can’t seem to Learn anything vía UA-cam... I NEED to have a physical lesson with a person so that they can explain things to me I’m not great at learning on UA-cam which is why I’m going to college next year
Same here it’s only so much you can get out tutorials at some point you start to feel like there’s missing parts and pieces
Hey man I'm in my senior year of high school thinking of doing that same thing. Can I ask which programs you applied to and on which campus? Thanks man!
Love how you broke down that 80k in a more modern/logicical way. It's very true! You're not trying to sell us on our hopes & dreams, but rather the right path towards learning, and evolving. Much appreciated!🙏🙏
I went to community college, then transferred to a state school (both for audio) and didn't pay anywhere near those figures. The function of audio school is mainly to give you access to gear/facilities, give you access to mentors who are (if you choose your school wisely) successful and knowledgeable, and to give you a network of contacts. I got all of these things along with experience/opportunities I never would have had access to otherwise.
Higher education is heavily commodified, and vividly illustrates class & privilege issues. This does not mean that an audio degree (broad stroke) is a waste per se, only that it's up to consumers to be smart about how they approach their higher education.
Zebbs exactly! bro what you did is what i’m planning on doing. and what you said is exactly what was in my head. it’s what u make of it and the networks u can get is at the risk of your own research from the jump! it all seems like common sense to me
Starting at a state school this fall majoring in audio engineering. Would like some help from someone who has already been through the process
Exactly.
Zebbs I like how he doesn't "like" or comment on logical points and explanations like this one. But only acknowledges the people that are bashing these schools and blindly supporting his point. Disappointed in the bias to say the least..you made an excellent point here btw.
For the record, I did "like" this comment. This video is here to stop people from spending absurd amounts of money on an audio degree. If you can find a way to do it in an affordable way without putting yourself in a massive amount of debt, then go for it!
To most, audio production means setting up microphones and running an audio board for a band or using mixing software and autotune. Far from it. Studio recording engineers get glazed eyes when I describe a typical sports sound set up. Long distant cable runs; Multiple originating points; Multiple IFB returns; mix minus feeds to camera operators, instant replay machines, etc. Simultaneous live mix while setting up off-line isolation feeds. The occasional bi-lingual commentator feed. Knowing the technical side is as important as the production side. As an A1 for may years, I think I spent more time designing temporary venue cable installations, dealing with acoustic time delay considerations for the nat sound mics (also known as f/x) and RF mic frequency coordination then running the board. Understanding digital audio networking is a must. For me, I am DANTE network certified. A knowledge in safety requirements for mobile production also essential. My education: two years community college and the University of OJT.
Thanks for the info about DANTE
CRAS is the shit. I hope to go one day.
this is awkward because I just finished my first week at Belmont as a freshman
Ian Paladino definitely not cheap!
Touch your ankles, Ian!
well im in full sail so theres that
Ian Paladino Hes also spewing bullshit. My tuition at full sail was only 54000 and about 46000 of it was paid for through financial aid and scolarships.
I work at a gas station.
don't know what i'm supposed to do. i'm pretty much being forced to go to college and music production is the only thing im interested in.
Aslan Jade Callenreese right
Feel you
Start small honestly. I'm a first semester Junior in college, and I regret not exploring my options at my local community college after high school.
Most of the time it's cheaper than a typical 4 year school. And staying local before transferring to traditional institutions helps you make friends/build professional contacts close to home in the field you're interested in.
Take a day and just sit down to explore your options. If you're gonna be forced to go to college, pick multiple that have a program of your interest. And if you plan on transferring in from another school, make sure your credits will transfer too. Ima tell you this rn, it's gonna take some legwork and phone calls, but it's worth it👍🏽
Been there bro. I wasted 3 years of college and was cheated so bad. I'm still paying off loans for the college and my certificate ain't shit. I'm studying independently and playing around with sounds and software. Much better than a degree /diploma.
You're not alone. I made a mistake signing away my life to a 4 year before I knew what I wanted to do with myself. You can't defualt on your debt. If you die, it goes to your next of kin. Don't handicap yourself unless you have to. Live life for a year working a job, the decide if you would rather do that forever, or go back and hone a skill. Preferably in that year, you also explore hobbies and interests. Develop those into a way you can make money. Network. Do not shackle yourself to something you dont believe in. The universe tends to not bail people out and it can put atdditional stress on your support group if you fail. Depression can set in. Mental wellbeing is worth a lot. But don't get lazy either. Good luck, you'll learn either way
Thanks for sharing. In fact many successful audio producers i know never went to any college. I personally think that passion is what it takes to be successful at this and musical talent of course. I wanted to join some school my self and they told me they needed 50k. I decided to teach my self and I believe I am doing fine.
Thanks for watching and commenting, Wopata!
This is life changing. Currently in my first year of college for music industry and I’m being sucked into this black hole. Need to escape ASAP. Literally learning nothing I already know myself .Good thing I have friends in Nashville that I can go live with and pursue my passion playing music. So glad I watched this video.
Fonda Music where are you at now bro?
Yeah Bro Where are You?
Yeah, did you make it out of the black hole?
which degree n college?
It was a Music Industry Degree. worthless.
I’ve been in the music industry for about three and a half years and I almost went to tribeca flashpoint Chicago and I’m sooooo thankful I didn’t I just kept working out of my own studio paying the rent between a few fellow local musicians and I have learned more in the 2 years doing that than I would have at that school. Skip forward to my third year I’m working in a high end studio in Chicago making great money and working with high profile clients. Went platinum a few months ago and recorded and mixed a song for the “Spider-Man into the spider verse” movie unfortunately only got recording engineer credits for that cause this industry does that but I’ve done more working my way up on my own than I would have ever done going to school. I seen the bullshit as soon as I took the tour of the campus.
JcraigMix you have no idea how much I’m relating to this comment, to make a long story short I’m trying to take that leap of faith into adulthood & I’m suppose to be in the Chicago area studying audio engineering would you say completely skipping an institution is the best option?
@@HOTHEAD11234 Do it...Coming from someone that records in FL
what exactly do you do there to afford the rent and expenses..... you have roommates or live with your parents?
This is the exact reason I've started my channel as well. Good to see other people doing the same. Cheers!
"Bullshit", "throat-punch".
You had my attention, now you have my curiosity.
a little late to the party but as a parent of kids who will soon be looking to further their educational goals, this is enlightening. Wonder if other career paths follow the same circumstances and if so, what are some of those careers? I am a hobbyist audio engineer, I basically record my own music at home and I am all self taught, I just go online and do research, everything I know, which I feel is not a lot has been thanks to UA-cam and community forums. The guidelines you mention for how to spend 78k USD seems very viable to me but also like you mentioned the average family just doesn't have that kind of change lying around the house. The more realistic situation would be to teach yourself as much as you can. Then get into any studio that is decent and will take you in as an intern and learn as much as you can from them. Take those independent online courses like the ones you mention and focus on learning. What a lot of younger people fail to realize is that even though you're not making money while you're learning, you are investing in yourself in the long run so that one day in the future you can make the money you want and do something you enjoy, it's called delayed gratification. Start as early in your life as possible, have clear goals, determination and the willingness to humble yourself in order to achieve greater goals. Peace.
ok, first of all I absolutely love this video! Super dope! Secondly, it's so sad to say this however, I actually have a friend who graduated from " Full Sail" and dude, is struggling to even get work in the music industry let alone actually be successful. Now I do believe that 50% of your success is all in your work ethic and your passion for what you do. However, I also live next door to a 13 year old boy, who cut lawns an entire summer, saved all his money and he and his mother bought him a "Pro Tools " bundle at the "Guitar Center" in our city. Dude knew I was a recording Artist so he told me about his purchase, and was super geeked! 4 Months later this kid dropped a Freakin album! A album with 6 tracks! yep! So with today's technology I just feel it's just as easy if not easier to learn this business. Yes, dedication, passion and long hours of studying and making a lot of mistakes are required. However, If you want that degree, that paper behind your name, consider..."carfully" consider, a school. However, keep this in mind this...Dr. Dre, Rodney Jerkins, Bruno Mars, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis... All Grammy Awards Winning Music Producers & Recording Icons... Never Went To A Recording Artist School! Just keep that in mind. God bless and don't give up on your dreams.
Nathan Bankhead thank you thank you thank you!!! The comment I needed
Dude I went to SAE institute of Atlanta,graduated 2017 and still to this damn day I can’t tell you how much I regret it.Ive worked closely with 5 production companies here in Atlanta as a stagehand doing Backline work,where I also learned more then what that school could’ve ever taught me,I’ve also been a musician of 20 years and still I wish I would’ve just moved to Nasheville to pursue my career in audio production,atleast I could’ve taken that money I got roped into going to school and used it to make a living in Nashville.I am still currently looking for work because as well all know,staging companies and production is just an on call basis unless you can find a good place with a lot of future opportunities or a studio that won’t can your ass after a 6 month internship.On that note,any producers in Nashville looking for an assistant or an audio engineer please message me,I’ll be more then glad to move.I love old school analog gear and I’m amazing at getting things done and on time,I’d live in the studio if I could.
I mean it does make sense that you would learn more when youre working cause youre working with another professional. School wont be able to cover the vast topics which i agree is weird, but sadly thats society
@@wakamekuun8523 that's with any school as well as with any job. Schools help you get certified so you it can make it easier for you to find work and opputunities
I live in Franklin and I just saw this. I’m 18, you’re scaring me lol
DabLawrence Franklin Tennessee?
Thank you so much for your video I was really thinking about going to school for music production. I will go and learn from different courses you really saved me a lot of money thank you so much
I’m currently at Full Sail for an Audio Production Degree. It’s been about 4-5 months, and the only thing I’ve gotten out of this school is stress. The reason why I came to Full Sail was to learn how to mix & master and expand my knowledge of music. Since being here, I’ve only taken useless English courses. (which are apparently required) I honestly feel like I’m better off saving the money I have left and putting it towards my music career. All of the advice I’ve gotten from successful musicians goes along the lines of: “you’re better off saving your money and moving to a hot state for music to make connections.” Been trying to convince my parents to let me drop out, but they won’t budge. Pray for me lol
Hi, im Ulysses and i been doing music for over ten years and learned everything by just observing.so watch and learn online and from other people.
This is the way to do it! Not by going into massive debt for a degree
@@6FigureCreative You can do music grades in the UK now in music technology the same as you can for any instrument and they don't cost much at all but do cover all the essentials you'd need to know
Can you recommend me an Associated Degree, Course or Diplomat of Music Production, because we need paper that says that we're "professional" isn't ? Thanks!
Thanks for the list of alternatives but there is still something I miss amongst all of them and it's structure.
I just went through all of the sites you mentioned and none of them shows a clear structure on how to learn recording, mixing and mastering in a well structured way, at the end these sites end up feeling like watching videos here on youtube, switching from one subject to the next without really knowing where to go next or missing information because they talk about things you still haven't studied.
Thank you
Yes you it is true you can get the same knowledge at a cheaper price, however it won’t matter how much you know unless you make connections. These schools are amazing at that, and most of them allow students to work in real studios with equipment that would cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars to get yourself. But the connections are invaluable, so important if you truly want to get deep into this field. It’s all a competition out there, so anything to give you the slight upper hand is worth it. CRAS is a great one out there, among many others.
yes in know a good amount of production skills but I have no ways to make any connections with anyone just producing music in my room :(
Can anyone tell whats the best online course about music production/audio engineering
I went to all them online sources and then went to school lol.. good vid
Sir, I love creating foleys and just enjoy providing, setting and mixing sound effects and ambience and all to a video... and whosoever had watched my work, they were shocked at my perfection. SHOULD I CHOOSE THIS PASSION AS MY CARRIER ??? and if YES, WHAT SHOULD I DO FIRST !!???
I’m in Full Sail right now for audio production and mines only $52,000. I probably already know more about mixing than they’re gonna teach me. I learned everything from years of trial and error and eventually some UA-cam. But I live in WV and there’s not much a demand for anything like that here at all, I’ve actually never met another legit engineer in person, and the only recording artists around here are teenagers rapping in their closets. That had a lot to do with my decision to start at full sail, so I could finally collaborate with other people who are serious about music, and possibly rub shoulders with the right people and create some opportunities for myself..... and for the huge discount on the gear in the LaunchBox.... and so I could use the schools recording studio when I visit my family in Florida.... and so I could use there sets to shoot music videos when I’m in Florida. The tuition pays for a lot more than the “education” there’s a lot of extra benefits you can use to your advantage. America’s going to shit anyways, so what’s a little student debt gonna hurt? If your passionate about the work, you’ll naturally strive to learn about audio production on your free time too so by the time you graduate, you’ll defiantly have the skills to find work........ You miss 100% of every opportunity you pass up. Remember that
Kapn Kronic I really enjoyed what you said about this hold situation because I’m to a Full Sail Graduate and I don’t think the 52,000 wasn’t worth it but you know to each their own but I learned a lot from going to Full Sail and meet some very nice people and some of the professors was awesome shout to #Professor Harvin and Paul
I’m a filmmaker with focus on VFX, and I learned it on the job and from my own interests. I worked on a feature with some Full Sail Students, by golly, they were utter noobs! They’ve shot the movie on bloody h.264, we don’t even use that for bloody commercials overhere in the Netherlands. Then they argument: “we didn’t have money for a pro camera”.
I’m like: you buy a decent camera that shoots raw for 4000 bucks. If you haven’t 4K in your budget than you’re an utter amateur. I have two of them laying around and I’m not even a DP! At the very least your college, gave you a network to borrow or rent one cheap! Nope... utterly useless school (especially from European eyes).
Raymond Doetjes I think for some ppl Raymond is them actually GETTING into the field and advancing their craft. Maybe the degree helps them get their foot in the door instead of just applying with zero experience.
Have these people never heard of scholarships? I got federal aid and a 20,000 scholarship because of financial need.
I know a Full Sail graduate ...he works at an AT&T call center.
i went to full sail in 2017 for the online audio production degree and i graduated early with an associates at 20 years old because of what a waste of time it was. I realized a bit too late and got trapped in 28k worth of debt. And because it was online i literally learned nothing and because of how fast it was i retained no information. I had already taken a technical program for audio in high school and everything i "learned" in full sail was a repeat of everything but somehow worse. I thought it was to continue my education but now i have a worthless associates degree in audio production with little to no hands on experience from full sail (i had hands on in high school) and now im contemplating my whole life at 21. If i could stop somebody or myself from going i would. Please consider everything when looking into full sail. If you have the money and want to go to campus then by all means go, but even that is difficult given a bunch of other factors that i dont have time to list LMAO but shit can i go back in time and undo this fuck
I went to Full Sail-as far as learning material goes it’s basically like the guy said in the video, u can learn it elsewhere for A LOT less money.
But every instructor at FS is an industry professional that will be able to help you with any questions regarding what you’re learning, also they have a very deep understanding of everything regarding the software and hardware used in studio productions.
In the classes you learn the basics of music theory and studio workings -the school basically just provides you with the tools you need to succeed.
If u stick it out and graduate though they have a career development program that helps you find jobs in your field.
You gotta be a go getter to be successful coming outta Full Sail...ESPECIALLY if you go for music production or recording arts.
also Full Sail is a GOLD MINE for networking so u can also use that to your advantage.
Not really worth the near 100k debt in my opinion though because their course load is ridiculously strenuous and they have an attendance policy which basically if u miss one day of class then you fail the class. Also it’s very fast paced so say goodbye to a social life for 2 years if you start there.
Trey Guilford Did you attend?
Ok I have a question. I’m currently in the Air Force, and in less than a year I am going to get out with full Post 9/11 GI Bill benefits. This means means that I’ll be able to go to the university of my choice for free. Totally free. I was planning on going to Belmont to study audio and video production. My question is, what did your friend really mean by “they taught me the exact opposite of what I needed to know...”? My intuition is telling me that a university isn’t going to be the best place to learn these skills. But another part of me thinks I should just do it anyways because it’ll be free, and I’ll be able to network in Nashville. And then another part of me is telling me not to waist 4 years putting work into a subpar degree program. I’m torn and seeking any advice I can get from those who truly understand the industry. Thanks
In my opinion, it really all depends on why you want to go to college fo music. As of now, I am very capable of freelancing and starting my career now. But, I want those connections to more experienced artists, middlemen, and even up and coming artists in the area. Not to mention access to a quality studio. On top of that learning new skills whether it's from my teachers, classmates, or fellow musicians. which is a worthy investment to make. I agree with you that if colleges are going to pay us 2 times more than they should then the curriculum should be better or the money should be invested back into the student(s).
So I am interested in attending full sail. In 2019 tuition for a degree in music production is 85k. In 20 months, I could have a bachelors(not an associates) in mp. Total comes out to 85k. If it were a Regular 4 year school, tuition comes out to about 21k a year. On top of that there's financial aid from fafsa and other sources. There's also scholarships for students though full sail and other parties as well. I doubt many people are paying full tuition at full sail. Take penn state for example. if an out of state student wants to attend for a bachelors degree with no aid or scholarships, the grand total would be somewhere around 128k(32k per academic year) compared to 85k at full sail. So yes it is expensive I'm not saying that it isn't but you'd be getting a BACHERORS in less than 2 years rather than 4.
Dude this guy couldn't have put it out better. Thank you for your words!
I think you’re correct about SOME programs. NYU and Frost School of Music have a bent towards DSP, Acoustics, and Audio Circuit Design that I think is worth the bachelors
No audio degree is worth those prices considering that there’s very little work available especially for those just graduating (if it’s even paid), thankfully my Bsc in audio cost a fraction of those prices (mind it was in the U.K. and I graduated in 2010) and it took a few years to develop true consistency with freelancing, I know a few engineers who didn’t go to school for audio but picked it up through practice and work, I have learned a lot from them, they are fully capable of handling any project on their own, granted such work opportunities are rare in a world where everyone has a degree, but truth is work experience trumps education, as technical skill/knowledge will only take you so far, there’s so much more to being an audio engineer such as people skills, networking, time and project management, persistence, and BALLS !!!
Yeah, sadly this is my exact experience in film school :(
Sucks that degrees are behind expensive pay walls and they don’t even teach you what you actually need to learn. I’m just super thankful the internet exists.
Thank you so much for your video, it was really helpful. I’m helping my boyfriend look up schools, because he wants to go into audio engineering/production, and Full Sail caught his eye. He liked it right away, but it always seemed off for me. I’d love to get some feedback on those who’ve gone to get a degree, and those who haven’t. What would you do to be a strong competitor in the industry? 😊
Okay I just don’t have
My advice would be to start off exhausting free learning options previous to tuition. I'd also imagine that specific schools and labels work together. "I don't have a degree but I'm really good at it" can only work in music and maybe massage. That being said there is so much free info and knowledge about theory and the process at your finger tips. One thing I've noticed is an elitist mindset in some engineers, most won't teach what they know for fear of someone taking their job... I guess that separates a job from a passion. Things I'm passionate about are things I tend to joyfully teach and share with anyone who listens. Maybe these schools should focus on the passion and craft not the money as much for the sake of creativity... Same argument goes for any school or college.
Michael Volz my school of thought too.
How can I find an audio recording school that will teach me what I need that is good anf has quality teachers.
I went to CRAS back in 2003, learned how to operate large format consoles and how to calibrate tape machines hands on. That hands on experience got me an internship at 2 major studios in NY. And helped start my career. School not necessarily a must but sure helps!
I’m looking into switching to audio engineering as a career any advice of where to start I live in Texas ? And if online what is the best course to get the full degree ?
Yes! Preach Brian.
I myself live in TN, where all the schools you mentioned are, I got my associates degree from Pellissippi State Community College in Audio, got the TN Promise scholarship that is available to all students coming out of high school, it’s a free 2 year associates degree scholarship. But i know not every state and school offers the same thing.
Hey, I recently moved to Nashville, I have already done Recording Revolutions courses and have a basic home studio set up. I still don't feel like I'm able to make professional recordings and I really want to be able to produce my own art as well as others at a very high quality level. So I was looking into ways to get better at production, and visited SAE and I am about to enroll... do you really think these online programs are a better option than going to a hands on school with staff members that are Grammy Award winners and have connections into the music industry?
Also, do you know anyone in Nashville that would let me intern for them instead of going to school?
So I'm interested in audio engineering specifically in the Voice acting category, would those tips be helpful for that?
I think some people just want to work in the music/recording industry and some may not want to start their own studio.
I can see some ppl getting their degree to get their foot in the door. Otherwise, some doing an interview could say “what experience do you have?” Then you say “I have a HS diploma and I’ve watched a lot of UA-cam videos.”
Not sticking up for those astronomical prices, but I feel like if theirs an affordable way to earn a production degree if you want to work with a large studio, then go for it.
Okay...but you’re not taking the reconnect program into account. I started at MTSU for the same thing 8 years ago now I can get an associates for free so what’s your take on that?
I did a 1 year private school program in Canada back in 2012. The amount was about 15k. I would say it was worth it since it was an intense program (learned basics very fast to get going) and also for the friends and connections I made there. However, I agree that people should start recording before to see if it's even something they have passion for at first.
I just graduated high school and I want to do sports radio. What is the best course of action?
Dont let this guy get you down. If you work hard enough anything is possible. leslie brathwaite was a student at full sail and he graduated working with many amazing artist such as Michael Jackson, Akon, Beyonce, and many more. When you pay that amount of money, you are also getting full access to full sails studios which if you havnt seen are amazing and contain all the latest tech. You also meet other people and get a chance to network and collaborate.
I'm not trying to down anyone who has already go through the Full Sail program. I'm trying to keep people from over-paying for their audio education. No amount of access to Full Sale Studios is worth the $70,000+ tuition cost. It's absolutely absurd.
Also, no one should have to spend $70,000+ for "networking" that they can get for free by living in a city like Nashville, NY, ATL, or LA.
Would it be worth it if we had a good scholarship program (full band scholarship for example) and we didn’t have to pay much for school
I have been always want to study music production. And I graduated from high school didn’t go to college right way. Now that I’m thinking about going to college to study music production, I was thinking about full sail, but it seems like scam to me lol. What other school would you recommend that’s reasonable? I would like prefer online program. And thank you for your video, it’s very helpful.
I am glad I came across this video I actually, live in Nashville now and I came here for audio engineering school. I found a school called the dark horse institute, have you heard of that ? And what’s your take on it ? They have a music business and audio engineering program, for about 22,000 I believe for both of those together.
Wow, I actually had a job interview with a college the other week. And here in NL college costs around 3000 a year. They said: “we think we’ll need to innovate teaching. Because the whole syllabus can be watched online. Why not buy this and give it to our students, and facilitate them in actual training and job prospects. Connect companies and students. Be a hub for tech people.”
What major do you need to do to make mouvie soundtracks pls somoene tell me
Hey! I want to do audio and visual production ... can u guide me to choose best college in Australia
I'm latino so I need a VISA that allows me to stay here in the US, going to college is one of the few ways I can be here legally, its not a waste for us international students since America is now very strict on who can stay here, and I don't want to go back to my country because there is no music scene there, literaly no job opportunities and no musicians to work with, and life there sucks tbh. At least here in USA you have production companies, and I'm not only saying about labels and recording studios, I'm also talking about entertainment industry. I'm going to college here to become a video game sound effect designer, film score producer and on the side I want to record musicians too, I can't do that back in my country, and college is one of the few gates that can allow me to stay and possibly land an opportunity to get connected with video game companies that need sound designers
Same with me. College gives you entry into the US and you don't have to worry about teaching yourself what you need to learn. I wish you good luck man. More grease to your elbow.
Your math is terrific
Awh yeah hey gday from Australia queensland Cairns to be honest I'd just show him this video, I'd like to say thank you I don't know anything bout sound engineering but I've been really interested in learning, what would you say the first things to learn about?
I was interested in going to school for this. A 9 month audio production program at UW seattle that would allow you to get a certification, for only like roughly $5500.
There's enough free resources on youtube to learn anything you need to know about recording audio. The only thing is that it's not a structured way to learn but if you're disciplined enough you can easily get by.
i live in Britain and would have to pay around £27,000/34,000$ to go and do music production at a british university for 3 years which has loads of top end equipment and teachers there that work in the industry actively. They could also help me get to know more people and musicians in the industry which would help me gain clients quickly. Also the top end equipment is something i wouldn’t experience staying at home and learning. Do you think it’s worth it guys or not?!?!?
I was think of going to CRAS institute but it only last for 9 months and they learn everything really fast and teach you 2 DAW and you get an internship I’m not sure if I should go because I love make beats. 😢
Thank fuck there are people like you in this world man! I totally agree with what you said in this video and that's coming from someone here in the UK which prices are still shit but not as bad as the US. I have learned so much from your videos and have gained a lot in a very small period of time. Keep up the great work, Thanks a million dude :)
I was actually considering going to Full Sail for Video Game Design back in like 2003. Off topic but yeah, it was expensive then and its more expensive now (although game design is worth going to college for). After getting out of the Army in 2007, I decided to make the move to LA and try to go to LA Recording School; thought I could use my G.I. Bill to get by, but they expect you to take out a loan to start out and didn't except the G.I. Bill outright (maybe it's changed in 2020), and couldn't get the loan so ended up not going. I learned how to produce music on my own with just trial and error for a few years, then ended up going to a community college and majored in music. I learned a lot when it came to music theory and way beyond that, but their audio engineering program wasn't that great unfortunately. I learned a majority of stuff from people I've met in LA, in school, or on UA-cam. I've been producing music for quite a while now (don't let my UA-cam channel fool you, it's old as dirt and I don't update it haha), and I wouldn't go back in time to change my path for anything. Still learning, and still creating.
My advice to the guy is save up that money and to move to one of the major cities (NY, Nashville, LA, etc) and build up your connects that way. Go to events and network, network with people at your job, watch UA-cam videos, and learn on your own. And like the guy on TheRecordingEvolution said about the same thing, look up studios that you can work at for free (like cleaning toilets, wrapping cables, etc) just so you can be a fly on the wall and learn the craft.
But also, if you already got the money from a grant or your parents, I'd say go for it.
Thanks a lot, You saved me. And I completely agree with you.
That's great to hear! Thanks for the comment:)
And one more thing. In India, Delhi University is offering a six-months short-term course of sound engineering at south campus and it costs $126(very affordable). If any one want to check it out then click here- music.du.ac.in/pdf/Four-Months-Certificate-Course-Sound-Enginearing.pdf
Going to school for music production makes no sense. Nobody can teach anyone how to make a hit song or beat. No school will teach you how to be the next Hot producer. Engineering is a different story. I went to the LA recording school and have 0 regrets. The engineering teachers are amazing and are pretty much willing to do anything to help you out. I’ve learned so much from my 18 months at school. I’ve made amazing connections, and loved my time there. Yes it was 30k but I’ve been working steady and by the looks of it I’m probably going to pay all my loans by next year.
You're making the classic uneducated N of 1 error.
Moon Tone Records, LLC your comment made no sense
Hey what kinda of career did you go for after you graduated
The recording engineer for the hit song 'DESPACITO' is a Berklee alum.
Thank you for this video
I am still In school and was considering a degree because it seemed a good way to prove I would know what I was doing in the future even though for the past 4 years I have been a volunteer sound engineer at a local theatre and I would learn more with practice I would get from not being in debt 80k. This video has been very helpful.
When I started everything was analog audio. Became the A1 (lead audio / board engineer) doing corporate and sports production. I learned digital audio on the job and became DANTE network certified by taking an on line free course from Audinate.
It totally makes sense for aspiring engineers in the U.S or in Europe since it is way cheaper and more productive to have a more hands on approach towards learning the craft. In my country (Panama) it is a bit different. There aren't many studios willing to take interns. Some of the established engineers give one off seminars and workshops here and there but that's it. I was lucky to win a half scholarship to study abroad at SAE (Madrid, Spain) and the costs including living expenses, housing, etc were basically less than half the price of a full tuition fee in the U.S. I decided to take this path since at the time Nail The Mix, and other sites with great content were just emerging or simply did not exist at the time. However, there are certain things to be mindful about when you study at any of the schools. The studio time for recording and mixing is not as much as you would expect for the money that you pay for. Since there are so many students and only a few studio rooms in the building, you won't have much time available. I befriended the school staff and they would let me practice and tweak to my heart's content but of course that wasn't enough for me. Luckily I was able to get an internship with a well known studio in the country for at least 6 months of the year and a couple of months I was abroad. I also feel lucky that I had really great teachers who would have the patience and generosity to answer all my questions after class hours. If online sources mentioned above were available or as big as they are nowadays, then I might have not gone to study abroad. It was a good experience and what I learned allowed me to have a better understanding of what I have been learning through some of the sites. That said, I understand that my story is not exactly the norm but rather one of the best outcomes I could possibly hope which doesn't happen that often to everyone. I definitely agree nowadays it is not necessary to make a huge investment pursue it. Thanks for such an awesome content. Cheers!!
I completed a 2yr recording arts program right after high school. That college no longer exists... Shocker! Part of the program required students to find an internship and that did lead to my first paying audio job (in Broadcast Radio, even though my interest was recording music). Some others here mentioned the benefit of accountability and I do agree that when you’re paying a bunch of money, it helps you take it seriously and stay focused/invested. This was 20years ago, so youtube and online courses weren’t an option for me. These days, I wouldn’t recommend majoring in audio. If the music production business is the goal, I’d say get a degree/certificate in business/marketing and tackle the audio skills online organically. Intern/shadow/network as much as you can and you will quickly find out if it’s something you want to really invest in.
Can you share a few online resource to build fundamentals in audio engineering, for free?
yes absolutely! Go check out these two youtube channels:
1. ua-cam.com/users/recordingrevolution
2.ua-cam.com/users/WarrenHuartRecording
Plenty of great free tutorials on there to get you started!
What do I do to learn music theory ima hands on learns and I was considering full sail until I found out the tuition
SCHOOL WAS A WASTE.. 44k
Im sorry to hear that, Shane! My goal is to help people avoid this:(
Where’d you go and how sway bro!?
44.1k you mean?
Just a crappy audio joke
@@zebcalhoun9752 lol dig it
Well said bro !!
I nearly went to full sail but decided that it was to steep of a financial cost to spend that kind of money. Get out while you can
It shouldn't cost that much.
I learned a lot more than the basics at Atlanta Institute of Music ...ppl really have to apply themselves with all of the information given..most kids dropped out and we graduated with 4 in the program.Not only that you do get credits and it pays to have a degree...I was able to transfer my credits for a bachelor's after doing a certificate...Education is important.I think with this type of program you need to be hands on at the campus to really get to know the outboard gear...I learned so much in my experience instead of shuffling around YT videos to find the good ones.Not saying you have to go to school to be a professional but it helped for me.
This is the advice presented by a lot of producers that I look up to. I'm currently living in India, and my musical tastes do not align here (I don't want to end up in the Bollywood industry) One of the objectives for me is to find a way 'in' and to move to the industries in Berlin or LA, what advice would you have for me? How does one do this?
Hi Brian , my opion on that over expensive online course would be , if possable to get out of that course and join your site. you are an amazing guy with amazing programs. everyday I read or watch one of your videos to inspire me and start my day. you Lift me up and get my day started , and this is just by taking your courses. I'am 65 yrs old and I won't give up the info you give me keeps me going. thanks Brian
Holy shit. I’m a Junior in high school and I live in murfreesboro TN. I play with pro tools a lot and music is practically my life. Obviously living in Middle Tennessee, I looked into MTSU for a degree in audio production. However, this video opened my eyes as to how MTSU could be the biggest mistake of my life, or the best. But I’m still doing research and I want to make my passion about mixing songs into a reality. This is a great video, and I will most definitely check out the resources you put out.
Hey there neighbor, thanks for the comment! (I'm in downtown Nashville).
You are absolutely right to do your own research. Take my opinion with a grain of salt, but here's my opinion on the matter...
I can tell you that if the audio thing ends up NOT being your career, you'll be EXTREMELY grateful you're not paying off student loan debt for something you're not actually pursuing.
And if you DO end up doing this as you career, you'll have more money to invest into your business.
Either way, you'll struggle to make it without drive to educate yourself. I've seen tons of audio production students without the drive to succeed, and they never take advantage of the facilities and degree they're paying so much money for.
If you have talent and can learn you dont need college for music!!! If you need college get out of music entirely!
I did Foundation Degree in Audio Production at Liverpool Community College/LJMU and we watched A LOT of videos. Mostly tips and tricks from Alan Parsons.
i was in college for business administration in 2014... I dropped out the same year after experiencing that exact feeling. Music is an art by one who crafts it. Creation has no boundaries. I recommend self-educating, experiment, then conclude.. Read books or watch videos from legitimate sources and you will gain knowledge on any subject that intrigues you for that matter.
im self taught, while recording my hip hop artist friend he told me he is going to study studio audio engineering, i told him if makes it after 2years he must come back and teach me, time past and he did his own recording in a studio he worked with, i heard it and said this guy must learn from me instead.
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I got my 1st exposure to studios, studio etiquette, live sound, and networking from going to schools like this. Not to mention that Federal Aid did not come immediately out of pocket like these courses (and house) you mention. I like getting different perspectives but it seems you're bashing something that you do not know fully about...I do agree Full Sail is not worth the value I paid 1/3 to go to the one I started, but they also taught the vastness of Audio Engineering & not just "producing" or music recording which you're alluring to. Point being, many many people acknowledge that UA-cam can only take you so far-- about that ONE kid, he has to do what is right for him, but does he have the cash now to just book sessions at a studio & hope the people will teach him? Do studios even do things like that? You need the familiarity of working with artists if you're looking for longevity and income with this field. Doctors pay $100,000 for the basics as well. (& There are online resources & YT videos on surgeries too)
Anyone know anything about CRAS? (Conservatory Of Recording Arts and Sciences)
Eli Young Yeah, I’m currently attending. It’s a very cool experience and it’s super intense so definitely make sure this is what you want to do with your life. Any specific questions you have?
Jacob Has it been worth it so far? Were you able to get an internship after graduating? Any advice and tips you could give? I’m currently enrolled and going to start soon, but I’m having many doubts about the opportunities after graduating.
Good points here!
im a 12 year old i really wanted to go to full sail but ive been doing reserch and more and more i realize it might not be the greatst school i thought it was thanks for the info
I think a lot people do this because their parents are dead set on them getting an education, the question I'm not seeing here is would it be more worth it for these people to get a business degree, while learning audio on their own. There are many business schools and state schools that are much cheaper than the figures mentioned in this video and that would be very practical in turning audio into a business. I just want to see if anyone has an opinion, I'm already in college(not for audio) so I'm considering this as an option rather than dropping out to pursue audio.
I would argue against getting a business degree if you're JUST trying to run a studio. The reason is this: Most business degrees approach education from the angle of "big business". Meaning, a lot of the time is spent learning things that you would apply to a multi-million dollar corporation.
The thing with running a home studio small business is that it's a LOT different. It's much more simple...and by overcomplicating things, you run the risk of either scaring people away, or just wasting time on things that aren't important.
Keep an eye on this channel over the coming months as I post more stuff:)
The Six Figure Home Studio That makes a lot of sense, thanks for the reply!
Parents often wrong about things...especially when you consider most people have no idea what really makes the music industry work.
Cut your losses where they’re at. It’s not worth it. That’s what I would tell him. You’re right when you say there’s a lot of better options to learning what you need to know.
What people I know did is major in music composition with emphasis on electronic production. This is via a standard state university not a private art institute. With that being said you are considered a music major and still have to be rather proficient in music theory and with a particular instrument so you will learn a lot for sure. With this they still obtained a bachelors(or more) in music. This allowed the ones who didn't go far in production to still hold a solid income as a professor or other music-related job. One of them got some big shot corporate job for some manufacturing company. She got the job for having a masters degree in music (they just cared that she went through higher education) along with a good resume/personality. I think this video is more for those art institute schools that only focus on studio work and don't have the standard degrees from a regular university. Neither option guarantees the dream studio job but I feel if you go the university route you'll be a lot closer to financial stability. Of course there's the option this video mentioned: learning the craft on your own through some website courses and UA-cam videos, which can take you a long way as long as you work hard.
I could be wrong so feel free to add your thoughts, corrections. I am far from an expert.
Full Sail have lecturers that are awesome though, I paid alot less for my course in Australia though because back then government funding was good. The basics shouldnt be learnt at a place like that though, cos the basics can be learnt online easily. In Australia our student loans are taken out of our income, a lot of people will never pay them back because we don't earn that much in the industry. If the government gave me a 40,000 dollar loan to build a studio and I didnt have to pay it back, that would obviously be an option. Of course this is directed at the US which has bullshit student loans designed to force people into debt.
Anyone been to SAE ?
I'm planning to join there as an international student but I'm really confused. I've no idea where to start also I can't waste my parents money :(((
hi even im also planning to study in SAE... and even m also confused whether it will be help or nt full after completion of the course
I'm going to do a 2yr radio broadcasting degree & than after i might do a 4yr degree in sound engineering it wouldn't bother me the coast because i know it's that i want to do.!
I started in radio, had an FCC transmitter license before a driver's license in my high school days.
For the most part I learned on the job doing corporate A/V, then sports. Many aspects to sound engineering. Designing speaker array set ups is probably one of the more interesting from a technical side. For the past ten years I have been an A1 (lead audio) on a TV truck not only mixing but designing audio flows from multiple locations into and out of the truck. I once trained a studio engineer to mix a live sports event. He was nearly overwhelmed because studio is a slower pace, while concert sound is a faster pace and sports even faster. Point being sound engineering has many areas. Best of luck and may the only feedback you get be written, never acoustic.
I was looking into a place called recording connection. According to the ad I saw it is suppose to be hands on in a recording studio with people who are already in the music business. An externship or something. Anyway, basically you have a mentor, and you are given homework assignments online, and then you go into the studio with your mentor/music producer to cover that homework assignment. I looked for reviews on the place, but couldn't find any. I was wondering if anyone here in the comments section has heard of recording connection, or has been through their program, and if so was it worth it? I mean it doesn't make sense to waste $16,000 or more (I believe that is their tuition cost) especially if the place doesn't even have any reviews. I just don't want to waste time, and money I don't have on something that isn't going to get me anywhere with learning music production.
Sounds sketchy man dontfall for scams
i just got enrolled on the online LA film school for music production, 37K for 2 years, and they send you the equipment you need to get started, but they told me the 1 goal they had was to keep students out of debt and after watching this video, im not too sure if im making the best or worst decision of my life.
Def not the worst becusee you can't go too wrong with the school especially if it's under 50k for two years.
Also if you are quite new to all this, then it's way better to go to a school imo.
Learning on your own is possible, but in 2020.. The internet is not the most credible and accurate as it was (was it?)
All the stuff we learn online must be cross checked and verified and sometimes we end up feeling quite down and lost due to the fact that we are literally searching for the our own lessons and teachings.
Invest in your self 🤲
As of this posting, Soundbridge Academy has a Music Production Certification program that lasts about 6-12 months that looks excellent, and it's about $800 (or $900 if you pay $79/month for 12 months). I was thinking about doing it. And spending money on gear, not video instruction. Cleveland Institute of Electronics offers a Broadcast Engineering certification that costs $1200-1400, for more toward electronic engineering skills; it will also make you eligible to earn a Certified Broadcast Technologist certification (CBT) from the Society of Broadcast Engineers (SBE). Get the skills and some projects under your belt, that's what employers and customers care about. What you can do for them. Not what your training cost.
Go to the UK. I’m 15 and in a year I’m moving to the UK from spain (I am originally British) and I am doing a FREE 2 year course of music production and creative sound design in college
in which college/university ?
ERAY. Chichister college