Quick Edge to Edge turns / Snowboarding Short radius turn / No Flat Base Moment
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If you have seen recent snowboarding videos of professional riders, you have probably seen them demonstrate quick edge changing.
Quick edge changing means that there is no neutral flat base moment with your board between turns.
When your board is flat on the slope, you have more freedom to spin on the ground.
This can be viewed as the most unstable situation while riding, as there are no edges holding your board.
Thus, we want to eliminate the flat base moment just as easily as advanced riders do so.
Also, you can start and finish your turns quicker if you change edges immediately after finishing the turn.
For example, the quick edge changing technique will be helpful when you are riding between trees, on moguls, and on steeper and narrower slopes.
Step 1 - Basic standing position
You should check your standing position before attempting edge to edge turns, because you need a strong sense of balance to successfully hit these types of turns.
1. Toe to heel balance
Try to keep your center of mass above your board.
The key is the position of your head and hips.
If you stand tall over the board, you're aware that your head and hips are above the board.
But with this posture quick edge changing can be harder with the moving distance of your head.
To reduce the moving distance of your head, try crouching on your board.
Now your head and hips are pushed out with this posture and your upper body is inclining as well. As you can see, this is not quite the best standing position for edge to edge turns.
Because you want to keep your body in line over the board as much as possible with this crouching posture, you don’t want to lean your upper body too much toward the toe side.
The most common posture seen on the toe to heel balance with many intermediate riders are:
• Shins Standing straight
• Hips Pushed out far toward heel side
• Head leaning toward the toe side
Because your shins are standing straight, your hips are pushed out far from your board.
To keep your center of mass with this hip position, you must lean your upper body even more with your head.
Physically, this posture is balanced because you have equal weight on both the toe and heel side with your head and hips. However, your upper body will be leaning too much. This is not the ideal posture for riding, because your head and hips will be pushed out too far from the board.
Now let’s fix it.
We want to keep our hips and head as close to the board as possible while crouching.
When your shins are standing straight your knees are above the center of the board, and this disenables you push your hips back in alignment.
If your knees are above your toes your hips will be closer to the board.
To keep your knees above your toes, keep flexing the muscles on your shins.
This helps your hips stay closer to the board, and now you don’t need to lean your upper body as much.
Now straighten your head so that you can keep your body even straighter.
This posture allows you to keep your balance stable and to control your edge to edge turns easier.
2. Nose to tail balance
There is a skill in moving your weight fore and aft to get better board performance.
But to make things easier, we won’t talk about that here.
Basically, you want to keep your weight in the center of the board since this is the most simple way to keep our balance.
Or you can do as many advanced riders do, and pull your hips backward while keeping your head in the center of the board.
This posture is recommended if you set up your binding right in the middle of the board so that you can ride the same way you would ride directional board.
When their posture is out of alignment on the nose to tail balance, intermediate riders look like this:
• Hips pushed forward
• Upper body leaning slightly toward the tail
With this posture, your center of mass is above the center of the board thanks to the position of your head and hips, however this is a bad alignment, and will make riding harder. - Спорт
Best tutorial on dynamic posture and alignment I have ever seen!!
Glad it was helpful!
This is a really really good breakdown, just how I like it! Hats off to you! :D
Thanks for your kind words Matei!
I guess Im quite randomly asking but do anybody know a good place to watch newly released series online?
@Taylor Harlem Try flixzone. You can find it on google :)
Thank you very much!
After the first year, the only flat riding I did was to ollie past a flat spot & on/off lifts. Always on the edge is what makes snowboards > skis. New skis let a skier do it nearly as well though. Just more complicated. Great on the flats though!
*Just thinking butter knife cut - board-length "invisible" spot - Butter knife cut will drastically improve a 10-day guy's riding.* Easier to get somewhere when you know where you're going. Watch & follow the smoothest fastest riders you can.
Mostly you check speed by going perpendicular to the fall line or even slightly back uphill. Skidding is more of a reaction to the unexpected or actual extreme terrain. And moguls if you get forced onto them. You can carve moguls, but it takes more energy than I care to spend on a rando run. For a REALLY fast edge to edge you have to do kind of a mini jump squat to unweight.
I like to save that one for the trees or hidden rocks. 100 in a row is called "leg day." Ain't nobody like leg day except eTHOTS.
Like always, very clear and simple explanation, thanks
Thanks for your comment Max! Please feel free to share this video with your friends so more people we can support like you!
just bought an arbor, going on thursday. thanks for this man!
Hope you enjoy it!
So well done subbed
Great video this is exactly what I have been trying to achieve and failing
Thanks for your comment Richard! Please feel free to share the video if like it!
Thanks a lot for your excellent video with tips
Happy to help!
This video deserves more likes and views
Thanks for your kind words Davis!
Thank you. good lecture and insightful demonstration video. keep up the good work - you help us get better and stay physically fit- keep moving!
Glad it was helpful!
Just subbed! Awesome riding IQ
Thanks for your comment and subscribing Kevin!
Nice video bro, just what I was looking for
Thanks for your comment Noom!😀
3rd season riding and struggling with linking turns. Figured out it's a posture problem (3:00). On my first lessons the instructor said that you should lean on your front leg. Looks like I have to rewire some of my brain-muscle connections. Really good video. Thank you.
yes you should lean more towards your front leg when initiating a turn, your instructor is correct.
You don't really need instruction now. What you need is a SKI PASS & good vision. I presume you ain't riding much. I was riding some pretty tough things 3rd year, but I had good equipment, 3yrs pass, and lots of free time. The 2nd one is most important. It lets you get up on the mountain soon enough the muscle memory of what you watched & did does not fade. Plus, y'know, FUN. Plus you can go for a couple hours after/before work or just till the groomers ski out. No money guilt.
Here's how to get the muscle memory for free.
1. Know what you want to be doing. this video helps. so does butter-knife / invisible spot / butter-knife. Arc of knife cut anything you choose. Again, vid helps.
2. best way however = WATCH & FOLLOW GOOD FAST SMOOTH riders on boards similar to what you ride if possible. I rode a big stiff all-mountain directional angles & stance. So I looked to hard boot riders on down to all-mountain riders. Watch them on the lift. Follow them if you can! Ask to follow if you can. They'll probably give you half a run+ free lesson even if that just means hauling ass & sucking tailwind. Your brain learns from what it sees. Hence "good vision."
Then practice it at medium speed until you can speed up w the same form & on tougher terrain. Still board & boots will help in the chop if you ride chop (consequence of powder hunting typically.)
Vary your turn radii.
Learn to make short quick cuts like vid.
Check your lines on the lift. See where you were flowin? And FUBARing?
Learn to make a pretty sharp 90 across the fall line to check speed via friction across "flat" angle of slope vs. skidding.
Can even turn uphill a bit then hard carve back around to opposite traverse. Like tacking.
Look upslope 5x more when you are riding like this, you're using MUCH more of the run than most skiers have installed in their ski kernel.
Eventually you'll be beating them down the hill using twice the mtn.
Helpful I hope.
What board are you using? make and model please!
Great video
Thanks for your comment the1412!
I love your videos. But I’m confused. If you could please help me. You are here recommending moving hips back and only using your back leg. However in your other steep mountain video you recommend leaning forward. I’m having an issue coalescing both ideas. Right now I feel like I have too much weight on my back leg and it’s leading to extreme fatigue on my back leg. Any advice would be appreciated
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great video.
how come you recommend hips to be more backwards and head forward for an advance stance? would that not make it harder to initiate the turn and grip the snow on steep runs as the weight is more on the back leg?
Thanks for your comment, Alex!
We have received the same question before and answered like this.
Keeping your balance over the board will be much easier with your weight in the center of the board. At the same time, while bending our board with this position weight is pushing out directly toward the center of the board. This causes bouncing your board easier since there is no way to release the pressure. Many people have been experienced while riding on steeps, moguls and so on.
If your weight is more on the back foot, you can gently give pressure from the nose and pressure will be maximized under your back foot. Thanks to more pressure toward the tail releasing the pressure forward are possible. Also, thanks to lighter weight on your front foot absorbing pressure coming from your front will be much easier to keep your balance stable just as surfers and skaters. You can visualize that you are going over a small obstacle with your weight in the center of the board and with your weight more on your back leg.
Directional board and powder board allows us to stay standing straight with equal weight on both feet thanks to the longer nose and shorter tail. And these boards make our turns certainly easy with the reason above.
But recently people set up their bindings in the center of the board. For those people to get a closer feeling with directional board and powder board, putting more weight on their back leg will help.
As you said, riding on steeps with your weight more on your back leg is scary for beginners because they will pull back their hips backward as well as the head.
But if you think you are strong enough while riding with your weight on the center of the board, you should try it on easy slopes.
You can read one of our blog post that will be published as a video soon.
www.snowboarddojowiz.com/blog/3-keys-to-get-an-all-around-riding-position
Oh Gosh... I'm totally confused, because everybody around keep saying that I must transfer my weight to the front leg and forget about back leg =\
Thanks for your comment Никита Гущин!
If you are still struggling standing straight while turning on gentle slopes, that might be because your body is bending or leaning toward the tail. For those people keeping your weight over your front leg might work well.
If you are not a beginner and riding on more challenging slopes you should learn standing straight on the board first.
Then, you can learn the riding posture for advanced snowboarding after it.👍
You can check the following video to coach yourself.
ua-cam.com/video/cAHbeZ7AjCE/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/YKYPxfkodSM/v-deo.html
та-же хрень! и каждый сезон всё начинается с нуля,блин..
My teacher told me to bend my front knee and get my weight forwards for stability I’m not sure if this is true now
Thanks for your comment Lachie!
It depends on your standing position.
If your weight is more towards the tail of your board, advice from your instructor can be one of the tips.
You can check first if your hips and head are aligned with your center of the board and you are standing straight over the board while riding.
Putting more weight on your front foot to start turns will help your quick edge changing too.
But you should put your weight back to the center immediately after starting turns to stabilize your balance while turning around.
Starting turns without shifting your weight forward is what you should aim to.
But again, you will be required to stand straight over the board and starting turns by turning your body instead of shifting weight over your front foot.😀
Thanks for your additional information SuzN!
Thanks for the info
@@snowboarddojowiz2928 Shifting your weight forward to initiate turns is a great thing to do. And you should not avoid it.
look forward to chang edge in two way
Does snowboard cmmber type affect quick edge change ? and butter roll? which type is easier and faster ?
Hi Wess! Step 2 is available for our training program subscribers on our website. Sorry!
For quick edge changing, I think camber shape board is better because when you tilt the board the nose side edge will touch the ground immediately thanks to its shape. And the nose side of your board start bending and lead the board toward downhill right after tilting the board.
If your board is a directional board which has longer nose your board start turns even quicker.
So how do you edge to edge turn
Thanks for your comment Marcos. We are talking about it more in Step 2 which is available to watch on our website.👍
Where is the video for the second step ? Thanks !
Hi Melissa, Thanks for watching the video and leaving comment here. Step 2 is available to watch here. Thanks!
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May I know where can I find the video to see those 2 ways of doing edge to edge turns?
When carving trying to avoid flat basing between edges often leads to trying to force the transition too quickly leading to a skid. Often when doing drills it can be a good idea to allow the board to come intentionally flat for a moment before the transition.
Thanks for your extra tips for viewers Drew!
A quick transition does not cause a board to skid.
radius, not radios 📻 haha
Well…. It would be much easier to learn how to do things right instead of being told 10 different ways to do it wrong!
This is an extremely complicated and inaccurate explanation of how to snowboard. Why try to define snowboard techniques on video in this way? To cash in? You speak some truths, but it's lost in the plethora of definite statements that are uninformed and confusing. 👏