Hospitals tag their patients. Clinics have been using NRIC numbers with our knowledge and agreement. No one says the NRIC number is a Secret, but it is definitely Private and based on Need to Know, Need to Release Basis with NRIC holders agreement. Singaporeans have the Right to protect their own privacy and safeguard themselves from scammers. How do you blame Singaporeans for losing trust?
Yes it feels like word games, playing game with words. It is certainly not a secret, but controlled information. I do not see why making it publicly accessible helps to solve the issue of organisations erroneously using it as an authenticator.
And worst when hospital and clinic they make us recite our nric no. At every point of contact during a visit. And they make you shout out to verify and the whole room can hear it!!!
What pissed me off is the way they tried to explain things away & trivialising the matter, even apologising for NOT educating us earlier that our nric not confidential! An insult to my intellect.
Share the same sentiment! It's like they first slap u and say sorry later knowing full well the consequences before implementing it! But if others were to do likewise they will end up in lawsuits and all!!
It is ridiculous for the PAP government to make such a novice mistake. Imagine if any of the opposition made such a mistake of the same degree what will happen?! Singaporeans have given PAP more than 60 years of time and chance to prove they can govern, but PAP cannot even meet the BASIC EXPECTATIONS of Singaporeans! This is unacceptable no matter which way you look at it. Singapore needs a new and better government!
Saying sorry on the job without any punishment? Yes? No? If no punishment for having to say the siasuay "Sorry", then every worker should be allowed lapses after lapses without repercussions. Foreign hackers must be laughing until they surrender hacking. As a singaporean, i feel terribly ashamed for singapore's lapse. I say "Sorry". But no repercussions. Sorry is a cheap word to say if there is no punishment to go along with it. Its an insult on the nation
The exposure of NRIC numbers in Acra’s portal was a clear privacy breach. While the Ministry now insists NRICs are “not secret,” this response feels like justifying a mistake after the fact. A better approach?
Today's pap is no longer the same good old days pap. Integrity is at stake. We need balance of powers. "Dr Goh accepted mistakes of judgement in the testing of new ideas as part of the learning curve but he would not tolerate mistakes due to negligence or low standards. What he finds INSUFFERABLE is when someone tries to pull wool over his eyes." Public Figure Private Man - Goh Keng Swee.
Reveals her nric and families too since it's deemed no secret and privacy. Stop justifying the wrong and do the right things. We dun pay to hear your sorry.
Another "ownself check ownself" and how the government is filled with Yes-men that don't ask questions but good at taking orders and mindlessly implementing them. This is such a novice mistake and large companies based in Singapore who work with regulators globally will be laughing at us or questioning our ability to manage and lead.
If Not mistaken, decades ago, possibly as far back as 20-30 years ago, my friend working in IT long knew that the last few digit or character of our NRIC is sufficient to derive the full. Why only now then reveal? Still got the balls to implement singpass?
Whatever apologies will not make up on the loss of trust....it's one thing after another that added up, Simply Go and free-visa arrangement with China etc. Especially that visa-free, just burglary news alone, we have seen more in this one year than in the past.
Act of Hypocrisy - "we r very sorry"....we take your concerns seriously...we do not take this lightly. But when asked punishing party responsible for Lapse, reply is too early to go into that?? that's how sorry they are and how seriously they take concern and anxiety caused to public. Cronyism
Anyone who has worked in IT will know, other than NRIC number, which is UNIQUE to every person, how else can someone be distinguished from someone else with the same name, same date of birth etc which can happen however small the chances of such coincidence happening may be? In DB terms, this is the unique key of each table, and that is the only thing that is unique to each individual. You don't see NRIC numbers overlapping, do you?
Government, sorry no more. Too many mistakes in recent years. It's time to take appropriate actions against incompetent ministers involved or expect lousy results in the coming election. 😂😂😂
This Josephine Teo seems to have screwed up quite a number of times. Plus her crying episode on Parliament. She may be able to handle the job of a Minister but she is definitely not leader material.
Until today , Starhub TV box and software is still a total failure , too ,much unnecessary pops-up , No Volume upon starting and blackout for more than 2 years and still Starhub has not resolved it. Their customer services sucks
I would not call screwing up so many times and so badly as being able to handle the job of a minster. Ministers are paid so highly not to screw up, otherwise anyone is also able to assume that position
Every now and now gov any wrong doing they said let's move on Thick skinned to the extreme.If opposition bring in the board of enquiry and the law in front of them and never ending Court case like what happen to WP Pritam Singh
She should just go😅 Speak so slowly until I fall asleep. NRIC is a unique number, everyone knows. Please don't tall about simple things in so slow way as if we need time to digest something cheem
Apology is not sincere especially when coupled with excuses and more distortions as if she didn't know Hospitals tag their patients and Clinics use NRIC with holder knowledge. How can she not know?
using nric as an authenticator is a bad idea... but to think the entire ministry, not a single person thought that revealing nric will lead to misrepresentation by scammers is just disappointing
Problem is will any sensible person knowing that their IC no. has been being publicly revealed be able to have peace of mind? Perhaps one possible solution forward would be to issue a new IC no. to each person? Ultimately, IC nos. must not be made easily available to the public.
"SOME Organisation" have started depending . . . so at the end, Josephine Teo using these few cases to change the WHOLE security of personal NRIC unique identifier? Sounds like a bad bad decision.
Not sure if the Tan Ah Kow joke was delivered properly. That aside I've always found it weird that I could write the first four digits only when drawing a RIFLE in camp but have to fill in the full details when registering for a foot massage.
Let’s count the mistakes that public had outcry : (1) SimplyGo, (2) car’s OBU in lieu of current IU, (3) NTUC Income proposed sale to Allianz, (4) Recurrence of MRT Tracks & Train poor maintenance & yet increase fare (5)NRIC. Time to stop these nonsense !
“..partial or masked nric provides a false sense of security” That is beside the point, man. haha, what on earth are you yapping about? You guys screwed up, that’s it.
"Dr Goh accepted mistakes of judgement in the testing of new ideas as part of the learning curve but he would not tolerate mistakes due to negligence or low standards. What he finds INSUFFERABLE is when someone tries to pull wool over his eyes." Public Figure Private Man- Goh Keng Swee
I think to easy to approve the bills in parliament . Any policy made should debate in parliament...can be hassle but the government will not jam brake anytime.. too many apologies show that the government is incompetent.
5.12 is the Key Point. There was A Lapse by The Staff...her staff. Point taking yet No One Responsible. Ok we get your Point Ms Jo. It is NEVER OUR FAULT.
Staff are on different hierarchy from the higher ups. The ministers do not explain properly and staff misunderstand. Shows a lack of coordination in overstaffed government.
@aliceiw4325 Lost in Translation is A Common thing with this Administration. Their Imbiguity save them from any Wrongdoings. It is ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT. Their TO GO WORD... There is A Concern...not WE FAILED TO ACT APPROPRIATELY.
the one in the highest hierarchy should take most of the responsibility, instead of pushing all the responsibility to the staff. if your child/minor do something wrong, the parent should take most of the responsibility, because you didn't educate them properly. if u implement something this big, u give a full report if the staff didn't implement properly then u can blame them. pity the staff.....
JT's mistake was to trust PAP CEC. If they can get S Iswaran, they can get JT. There is power struggle within the PAP CEC between LHL's allies and LW's allies. There is deep mistrust within PAP.
Public policy communicated in ways resulting in today's fiasco? CPF policies. How many really fully understand this monster?😅 Please be truely grateful to your voters for the condoning.
Obviously, the argument by the PAP govt of 'ownself check ownself' is flawed. To have effective checks and balances, the parliament needs at least 1/3 oppositions to hold the govt accountable. The current govt cannot just explain away its accountability that sadly, most Singaporeans tends to buy into easily.
Unique Tan Ah Kow's identifier is his NRIC, which is made known to the hospital. This is necessary ... I get it. So what is ARCRA's logic to make available Individuals' Name and NRIC on BizFile? Is the Individuals' consent required for those seeking his or her Name and NRIC?
For each minute of time spent on dealing with a trivial issue such as this, the salary paid to the people working on this is born by the citizens! Rather, they spend time do real work than all this BS. Those who feel "really" anxious, when nothing has been revealed openly yet to everyone, should go for therapy. Making a mountain out of a molehill
Should we prioritize sensitivity or privacy protection? Are humans losing trust, or are they gaining knowledge through data? Questions versus answers-I'm inclined to live in a simpler world with less data and less confusion!
The Policy comes from policy makers. Flaw is a flaw. The buck has to stop at policy maker. Enforcement also has to be responsibility if policy makers. Singapore so tiny, is cannot manage then is a complete useless human
Back pedalling ATW and apparent lack of coordination / governance prior to go live. .... And whatever happened to SingPass as a means of authentication without the need of having the physical NRIC.....
OK VERY SIMPER GENNERMEN! BASICALLY AH government got idea , using NRIC to autheticate is not good. so according to them NRIC can unmask liao mah ,since its no longer a good authenticator of identity . undertstand ? ya so the ownself pass down to they different ministry this guideline la BUT HOR FORGOT TO TELL US! thats why we dunno ma , then make a big fuss over this la
Hospitals tag their patients. Clinics have been using NRIC numbers with our knowledge and agreement. No one says the NRIC number is a Secret, but it is definitely Private and based on Need to Know, Need to Release Basis with NRIC holders agreement. Singaporeans have the Right to protect their own privacy and safeguard themselves from scammers.
How do you blame Singaporeans for losing trust?
Yes it feels like word games, playing game with words. It is certainly not a secret, but controlled information. I do not see why making it publicly accessible helps to solve the issue of organisations erroneously using it as an authenticator.
And worst when hospital and clinic they make us recite our nric no. At every point of contact during a visit. And they make you shout out to verify and the whole room can hear it!!!
What pissed me off is the way they tried to explain things away & trivialising the matter, even apologising for NOT educating us earlier that our nric not confidential! An insult to my intellect.
@batmankky definitely we Don't trust anyone especially they try to flip flop by treating the citizens r idiots
Share the same sentiment! It's like they first slap u and say sorry later knowing full well the consequences before implementing it! But if others were to do likewise they will end up in lawsuits and all!!
So, our personal NRIC numbers are exposed to any Tom, Dick and Harry for a five-day window. That is clearly a privacy breach.
ONLY BULLSHIT & ROTI PRATA ACTION
😂😂@@samliang4900
@@samliang4900🤣🤣🤣
Acra should be fined
Acra's CEO should be fired for sleeping on the job.
Its Bizfile not Acra
CEO should be fired. She has no reason to keep the job.
How much ?
Self Sabotage… Reeks of Regime Change Underway 😂🎉❤
It is ridiculous for the PAP government to make such a novice mistake. Imagine if any of the opposition made such a mistake of the same degree what will happen?! Singaporeans have given PAP more than 60 years of time and chance to prove they can govern, but PAP cannot even meet the BASIC EXPECTATIONS of Singaporeans! This is unacceptable no matter which way you look at it. Singapore needs a new and better government!
If Opposition makes a mistake , BIG PROBLEM !
Intentional Regime Change Underway 😊
@@joellim7010 Get rid of the old trees that bears rotten fruits
Too many new citizen voters!
vote wisely 😊
Saying sorry on the job without any punishment? Yes? No? If no punishment for having to say the siasuay "Sorry", then every worker should be allowed lapses after lapses without repercussions.
Foreign hackers must be laughing until they surrender hacking. As a singaporean, i feel terribly ashamed for singapore's lapse.
I say "Sorry". But no repercussions. Sorry is a cheap word to say if there is no punishment to go along with it. Its an insult on the nation
The exposure of NRIC numbers in Acra’s portal was a clear privacy breach. While the Ministry now insists NRICs are “not secret,” this response feels like justifying a mistake after the fact. A better approach?
Exactly, I feel gaslighted....
Intentional Regime Change Underway 😊
Today's pap is no longer the same good old days pap. Integrity is at stake. We need balance of powers. "Dr Goh accepted mistakes of judgement in the testing of new ideas as part of the learning curve but he would not tolerate mistakes due to negligence or low standards. What he finds INSUFFERABLE is when someone tries to pull wool over his eyes."
Public Figure Private Man - Goh Keng Swee.
But SGreans are not as democracy-literate as Advanced Economy and Matured Robust South Koreans. SG democracy is like a 1mth old baby
What is her NRIC number?
😂😂🤣🤣
😂😂😂
Every Singaporean would love to know all of PAP member IC number😂
Tan Ah Kow
Reveals her nric and families too since it's deemed no secret and privacy. Stop justifying the wrong and do the right things. We dun pay to hear your sorry.
No bowing to show sincerity for the mistakes made. In other words, crocodile tears. I do not feel the apologies sincere and instead, very defensive.
Another "ownself check ownself" and how the government is filled with Yes-men that don't ask questions but good at taking orders and mindlessly implementing them.
This is such a novice mistake and large companies based in Singapore who work with regulators globally will be laughing at us or questioning our ability to manage and lead.
Sychophant IBs should be sentenced for betrayal
Sorry for causing public anxiety but not for causing the mistake. Huge difference.
Play of words once again.
Manipulative
Gaslighting at play by the government no less
Apologies is one thing.. Rectification is another..
Will PM take the culprits to account?
@@tonykiang9052 nowadays Ministers is protected with solid rice bowl except corruption
Very poor crisis management speech.
She a capable and excellent leader.
A very defensive speech devoid of anything but sorry. Sorry to say that
Worst Minister ever! What took so long to apologise and explain???!!!😡
U angry for? Fast apology u also buay song what…zzz
We Singaporeans are forgiven to PAP
Agreed. In US..social security number is not easily given or shared. I dont know why...in Sg...it is like an open practice for provide NRIC
As if she really cares..... the speech is so poor. goodness sake, just step down.
If Not mistaken, decades ago, possibly as far back as 20-30 years ago, my friend working in IT long knew that the last few digit or character of our NRIC is sufficient to derive the full. Why only now then reveal? Still got the balls to implement singpass?
Singpass uses NRIC as logic ID. Is this smart for aspiring to be "smart" nation?
Step down please.
If this was Japan or South korea , heads will roll
Whatever apologies will not make up on the loss of trust....it's one thing after another that added up, Simply Go and free-visa arrangement with China etc. Especially that visa-free, just burglary news alone, we have seen more in this one year than in the past.
Act of Hypocrisy - "we r very sorry"....we take your concerns seriously...we do not take this lightly. But when asked punishing party responsible for Lapse, reply is too early to go into that?? that's how sorry they are and how seriously they take concern and anxiety caused to public. Cronyism
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@@2bystander2 same dialect
Anyone who has worked in IT will know, other than NRIC number, which is UNIQUE to every person, how else can someone be distinguished from someone else with the same name, same date of birth etc which can happen however small the chances of such coincidence happening may be? In DB terms, this is the unique key of each table, and that is the only thing that is unique to each individual. You don't see NRIC numbers overlapping, do you?
Government, sorry no more. Too many mistakes in recent years. It's time to take appropriate actions against incompetent ministers involved or expect lousy results in the coming election. 😂😂😂
This Josephine Teo seems to have screwed up quite a number of times. Plus her crying episode on Parliament. She may be able to handle the job of a Minister but she is definitely not leader material.
Until today , Starhub TV box and software is still a total failure , too ,much unnecessary pops-up , No Volume upon starting and blackout for more than 2 years and still Starhub has not resolved it. Their customer services sucks
I would not call screwing up so many times and so badly as being able to handle the job of a minster. Ministers are paid so highly not to screw up, otherwise anyone is also able to assume that position
Every now and now gov any wrong doing they said let's move on Thick skinned to the extreme.If opposition bring in the board of enquiry and the law in front of them and never ending Court case like what happen to WP Pritam Singh
Pay million dollar salary and yet get monkey business!!!😡😡
She should just go😅
Speak so slowly until I fall asleep. NRIC is a unique number, everyone knows. Please don't tall about simple things in so slow way as if we need time to digest something cheem
Damage done.
Unworthy of Public Trust !
Resign ! Don't justify your wrong doing ! Preposterous!
Apology is not sincere especially when coupled with excuses and more distortions as if she didn't know Hospitals tag their patients and Clinics use NRIC with holder knowledge. How can she not know?
using nric as an authenticator is a bad idea... but to think the entire ministry, not a single person thought that revealing nric will lead to misrepresentation by scammers is just disappointing
Problem is will any sensible person knowing that their IC no. has been being publicly revealed be able to have peace of mind? Perhaps one possible solution forward would be to issue a new IC no. to each person? Ultimately, IC nos. must not be made easily available to the public.
"SOME Organisation" have started depending . . . so at the end, Josephine Teo using these few cases to change the WHOLE security of personal NRIC unique identifier? Sounds like a bad bad decision.
Not sure if the Tan Ah Kow joke was delivered properly. That aside I've always found it weird that I could write the first four digits only when drawing a RIFLE in camp but have to fill in the full details when registering for a foot massage.
Let’s count the mistakes that public had outcry : (1) SimplyGo, (2) car’s OBU in lieu of current IU, (3) NTUC Income proposed sale to Allianz, (4) Recurrence of MRT Tracks & Train poor maintenance & yet increase fare (5)NRIC. Time to stop these nonsense !
Sorry is not the answer, useless excuses. When the country to be secured from scams, this is just basics.
Do you surprise some officials never fail to demonstrate their lack of 'common sense' when implementing policies. This is quite a serious mistake.
Your Sorry is just like telling a lame Story...
“..partial or masked nric provides a false sense of security” That is beside the point, man.
haha, what on earth are you yapping about? You guys screwed up, that’s it.
"Dr Goh accepted mistakes of judgement in the testing of new ideas as part of the learning curve but he would not tolerate mistakes due to negligence or low standards. What he finds INSUFFERABLE is when someone tries to pull wool over his eyes."
Public Figure Private Man- Goh Keng Swee
Sorry no cure. Confidential personal info already leaked. To take accountability for the mistake made.
Please check her NRIC number and expose it to all to know since it is not a secret.
*Be mindful of the policy changes dont make it complicated cos its a struggle for the elderly and less tech savvy group to keep up with the changes*
Now then say? Knew now only? Cannot be. So why were we not told earlier? Maybe years or decades ago?
As long as LW keep her and KS , bala, we have a future
I think to easy to approve the bills in parliament . Any policy made should debate in parliament...can be hassle but the government will not jam brake anytime.. too many apologies show that the government is incompetent.
5.12 is the Key Point.
There was A Lapse by The Staff...her staff.
Point taking yet No One Responsible.
Ok we get your Point Ms Jo.
It is NEVER OUR FAULT.
Staff are on different hierarchy from the higher ups. The ministers do not explain properly and staff misunderstand. Shows a lack of coordination in overstaffed government.
@aliceiw4325
Lost in Translation is A Common thing with this Administration. Their Imbiguity save them from any Wrongdoings.
It is ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT.
Their TO GO WORD...
There is A Concern...not WE FAILED TO ACT APPROPRIATELY.
the one in the highest hierarchy should take most of the responsibility, instead of pushing all the responsibility to the staff.
if your child/minor do something wrong, the parent should take most of the responsibility, because you didn't educate them properly.
if u implement something this big, u give a full report if the staff didn't implement properly then u can blame them.
pity the staff.....
Resign? Yes ? No?
No one ever has the ball to own responsibilities. You see mrt breakdown. Anyone resigns? Still sit at office and shake legs
Sorry Seems To Be The Hardest Word 😢
Rocket Man ?
So, logically, stoppage of govt depts, banks, businesses from using NRIC as authenticator should come BEFORE revealing full NRICs.
RESIGN - PERIOD
2 points fallen short of - context and communication
Tan Ah Kow....?? Why is she victimising Tan Ah Kow....!!?? Sigh....
Such incompetence does not belong in Singapore. Maybe in Malaysia yes..
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣resign? Yes? No?
JT's mistake was to trust PAP CEC. If they can get S Iswaran, they can get JT. There is power struggle within the PAP CEC between LHL's allies and LW's allies. There is deep mistrust within PAP.
It look like a done deal? Never asks for public opinion? So what’s the new identifier?
I only know I need to do one right thing come GE2025
Sorry doesn’t settle it. What disciplinary action will be taken at the top where the rot starts?
Does she understand the words "SiBei SiaSuay" ? Else i can teach for free
PLEASE PLAYBACK AT 1.5X SPEED
Acra should be charged in court. If an opposite MP can be charged in court for breach of trust, so can a statutory board or ministry.
If sg were SKorea, whats left of the ACRA?
Aunty was scholar?😅
Public policy communicated in ways resulting in today's fiasco?
CPF policies. How many really fully understand this monster?😅
Please be truely grateful to your voters for the condoning.
Where are all the freaking IBs? We are very angry now. Come out and lets have a debate. We will teach you how to debate
What's the point of sorry? Since they are the one who made the rules and suka suka change ask they are please.
So what u want?
He want free ice cream from PAP
If NRIC numbers is private, why are all companies always asking for NRIC numbers in job applications.
Obviously, the argument by the PAP govt of 'ownself check ownself' is flawed. To have effective checks and balances, the parliament needs at least 1/3 oppositions to hold the govt accountable. The current govt cannot just explain away its accountability that sadly, most Singaporeans tends to buy into easily.
Pap ma, just simple sorry can liao lah😂
oh, she again
Never see tan ah gao shouting his NRIC in the hospital. Maybe he knew better to keep it to himself.
These idiotics ministers better resihgnnot vote out before more damages are done.
Yeah, JT please post your NRIC here for all of us to see!
Hope they know what they are doing for Singapore suppose to be ok
0:53 Tan Ah Kow always get it 😂😂
Take your money (pay) and just Go!
You mean Simply Go.
Did they made the initial mistakes of masking IC numbers and U-turn on it now?
This time no crying? I thought we got to present her with another star awards trophy again, lol!!
Unique Tan Ah Kow's identifier is his NRIC, which is made known to the hospital. This is necessary ... I get it. So what is ARCRA's logic to make available Individuals' Name and NRIC on BizFile? Is the Individuals' consent required for those seeking his or her Name and NRIC?
The Policies if changed means Flaw. As I said, many Flaws if you look at the entire system
For each minute of time spent on dealing with a trivial issue such as this, the salary paid to the people working on this is born by the citizens!
Rather, they spend time do real work than all this BS.
Those who feel "really" anxious, when nothing has been revealed openly yet to everyone, should go for therapy.
Making a mountain out of a molehill
Should we prioritize sensitivity or privacy protection? Are humans losing trust, or are they gaining knowledge through data? Questions versus answers-I'm inclined to live in a simpler world with less data and less confusion!
Real Tan Ah Kow
Very sorry then resign lah! We all miss LKY era lor!
The Policy comes from policy makers. Flaw is a flaw. The buck has to stop at policy maker. Enforcement also has to be responsibility if policy makers.
Singapore so tiny, is cannot manage then is a complete useless human
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Wah tan ah kow become example😂😂😂
Can someone send her for some skillsfuture education for upskilling her communication, this is terrible.
Meaningless SORRY
Back pedalling ATW and apparent lack of coordination / governance prior to go live. .... And whatever happened to SingPass as a means of authentication without the need of having the physical NRIC.....
Sorry someone must take the blame b punished resign.full of holes.
DEI hire (Didn’t Earn It)
Step down please
So if someone use our IC number to borrow, Along so are we to be blame ?
OK VERY SIMPER GENNERMEN!
BASICALLY AH
government got idea , using NRIC to autheticate is not good. so according to them NRIC can unmask liao mah ,since its no longer a good authenticator of identity . undertstand ?
ya so the ownself pass down to they different ministry this guideline la
BUT HOR FORGOT TO TELL US!
thats why we dunno ma , then make a big fuss over this la
Digitalization
Nwo agenda
Use passport number la
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