I find it hilarious "No room to grow" is utter crap...they can definitely invest in the surrounding neighborhood and remove some of those parking lots and build a much better entertainment experience. Sell the team, Jerry.
How about put a better team on the field. The Cubs are proving you do not need to do a lot to be competitive in the NL Central. The White Sox could do a similar plan as the Cubs have done to be competitive in the AL Central. Develope the Minor League system, sign some free agents, hire a good manager.
If the White Sox think “The 78”is such a great spot and will bring in a ton of revenue with a stadium and development then pay for themselves. Team is paid for. Get a 30 year loan and finance it. If stadium financing costs too much then go “Oakland A’s” with payroll until you generate additional revenue to spend more. Certainly don’t spend crazy money on pitchers who will end up blowing their arms out.
Would be heartbreaking to see the White Sox leave Chicago. They are a historic team, one of the oldest in the league. They belong in Chicago. I know the A's are a historic team too, but they'd moved multiple times. This feels very different.
I was thinking the same thing. It always sucks when a team moves, but unless I’m mistaken, and I’m 99.9% sure I’m not, a team moving after 125+ years would be unprecedented. This is very scary because if the White Sox can move, then nobody is safe.
@@aaronstark5060literally, that honestly means really only the yankees, dodgers, and giants are literally the only teams that can be considered a lock in their city, everybody else is 5 bad seasons and one very crappy owner away from losing their franchise
If the WS move otta Chicago, the A's could move right in... LOL.... I'm sure that ballpark is better than what the A's have right now and will take it, anyday! Call them the Chicago C's. And we're changing partners, (Sport Franchises) again. Crosby, Stills, and Nash.
Reinsdorf is trying to play the same game he did in 80's that ended up getting their current stadium. The state of Illinois will not be as forthcoming this time around, especially with the Bears lobbying for state funds for their planned new stadium (at least the Bears planning on putting in 2 billion of their own $$$,) Reinsdorf is looking for another handout...and he isn't gonna get it...
Yeah, I doubt with the Bears thing going on, there's even a sneezing chance of the White sox getting any state funds. It's already likely Pritzker won't approve the Bears funds and I doubt both would get approved.
Most of their "attendance" is corporate season ticket sales. They had an opportunity to build camden yards in 1991. Look up "Armour Square stadium". They chose the bare bones stadium they did. I've been a fan of the White Sox for years but they are a weird insular franchise that doesn't seem interested in fielding a winner. Most Sox (and Bulls) fans are just tired and waiting for Jerry to die and hoping that could lead to a rebirth like the Blackhawks had.
Umm ... the White Sox sold out every playoff game they've been in in 2005, 2008, 2021. 2000s attendance shows Sox fans show up when the product is worth it, It's absolutely not just corporate tickets.
@@TrustySteeringWheelTrayI’d hope you’d sell out a playoff game lol. The white Sox attendance has been mediocre to bad for 15 years. There are some years that cleveland draws more fans ! How is that possible in a city as big as Chicago
Seriously, the Cubs play within the same city(just on the northside of Chicago) and dont struggle to sell tickets. Even when you factor in the last few seasons the Cubs werent stellar, fans still went to Wrigley. Granted the Ricketts have invested a lot of money into renovating Wrigley and some fairly big signings recently, but so can Reisendorf
Wrigley is historic and beautiful. Its a tourist destination for any baseball fans not just cubs fans. Its in a nice neighborhood sorrounded by bars. The sox play in the ghetto on the south side, and its best not to wander to far away from the ballpark for safety reasons.
@@briceticker6721spoken like someone who doesn’t live there, that area has been gentrified to shit, it’s a shit stadium admittedly and in the middle of a parking lot, so unlike wrigley, when the team is hot garbage, there is no reason to show up
Same thing in Tampa / St Pete. Ownership alienated the fan base when they said they were going to explore doing half season here and half season in Montreal. It was the final cherry on top of the shit show they've been with trying to get us to pay for their stadium. Shit ownership causes shit attendance. The bolts have no problem filling the stands. Neither do the bucs.
Ownership should sell the team. Sox fans should be more aware of the As situation as a possibility for us. Sox fans are passionate. Stadium problems is the last thing us Sox fans ever thought of.
Jerry said he has no reason to sell the team and unfortunately, he's not wrong. He is the most powerful man in baseball. He pulled all the strings to get his 2 best friends to be the last 2 commissioners.
us sox fans are very aware of the A’s situation unfortunately, i just don’t even see how a team with 125+ years in a city couldn even be considered for relocation, even with chicago decreasing in size with another more popular team, it’s still 9 million people in the metro, all of them don’t want to be cubs fans
People might bring up the fact that the White Sox broke their curse and won the 2005 World Series under Reinsdorf's leadership, but most of us (myself included) would argue this happened in spite of him and not because of him.
Having gone through what we both went through with the A’s I don’t want anyone to go through what we did plus I can imagine people telling White Sox fans to go and support the Cubs just like us A’s fans were told to go and support the Giants which is so insulting!!!
@@Techguyericdspotted the cubs fan. As you say, the sux do suck so why would you want them gone? Easy team to beat up on, plus we both know you don’t want Sox fans rooting for the cubs… oh no that wouldn’t be right. So really everyone in the city loses when the Sox go. Don’t deny the electricity when both teams are actually good.
@@Techguyericdno way a cubs fan is acting superior to anyone, you win one championship in over 100 years and act high and mighty towards other fans 💀💀💀
Many Sox fans are ready to call Reinsdorfs bluff. He admitted he bluffed last time in an interview. If he wants to be the type of owner to cut bait and run instead of owning up to his failure and doing better while at the same time paying his share (most of it) of the cost of a new stadium then we don't want him here anyway. He owes this state and city big. Here's the thing that most people are missing. There's not a lot of places for Reinsdorf to take the Sox and certainly nowhere better than Chicago. The blow back that Reinsdorf will face with the Bulls if he moves the Sox will be huge and not repairable. He never fully repaired the damage he did for his part in the 94 strike.
Totally agree with you. No reasonable owner would move from the #2 market in the country to one of the smallest markets (Nashville's population is 715K) in the South. I have a news flash for Reinsdorf - I grew up in NC and southerners don't care about baseball. Southerners love college basketball/football and NASCAR racing. Atlanta is not the South except before General Sherman burned it down. The Braves are an exception because everyone in Atlanta is from northeastern states. I did not start watching baseball until I moved to Chicago in 2006 and then decided to be a Sox fan. In addition, tourists in Nashville are interested in country music attractions like the Grand Ole Opry, Ryman Auditorium, Music Row, Country Music Hall of Fame & Museum, and the famous honky tonks along Broadway Avenue. I cannot see tourists being interested in paying to see one of the worst MLB teams. Even the A's have a better record now than the White Sox.
@@KendallLitwin Yes, that is why we Sox fans need to call Jerry's bluff. I refuse to give another penny to him. Like you said, he owes the city and state $300M+ on the current stadium which is a great stadium. My Asian cousins (Dodgers fans) visited Chicago last summer and we went to the Sox vs Angels game. They liked the convenience of taking the Red Line train from the loop to Comiskey (sat in section 520 with great field view). They loved our food - elotes, Chicago style hot dogs, Italian beef sandwiches, funnel cakes, and Rainbow Cones. They enjoyed our stadium including the incredible view of downtown's skyline from the Chicago and Southside signs.
@@michaelleroy9281 Yes, it is possible. I ski yearly at Snowbird and Brighton, Utah. The massive amount of Californians (including other West Coasters) with their money moving into Salt Lake City has skyrocketed the real estate market and traffic. I'm amazed at how quickly the population has exploded in the past ten years. I am no longer planning to move to Salt Lake City in retirement - more expensive than staying in downtown Chicago. 😂
Except that it would likely cost him most of his net worth. Not saying he should be holding the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois hostage like he did back in the 80s, but that counterpoint needs to be made in the interest of fairness.
Born and raised Sox fan. I refuse to give any more money to Jerry Reinsdorf. No real fans are complaining about new Comiskey Park. I love it there. Tailgating experience rules and the inside of the stadium is fine too (especially the food) in my opinion as a suburbanite, it’s way easier to get to than Wrigley. It pains me to say but at this point let them move. My love for the Sox doesn’t supercede my hatred of getting overrun with new taxes. Especially when there is still so much money owed on the current stadium. It’s lunacy
No “real” fans complain about the park????????!!!!!! Did you type that with a straight face?? All a lot of Sox fans do is bitch, moan and complain about the park.
@@Ibhenriksen Just because you feel unsafe doesn't mean the tax payers need to pony up $2 billion for a new ballpark. How about you move with the WS, which ever city the team goes too?
I've been a White Sox fan since 1970. I suffered through a lot of bad years, but this is the worse. The team needs new ownership. Reinsdorf has owned the Sox since 1980. We need someone who cares about the fans. All he cares about is getting a new stadium There is nothing wrong with the current Sox ballpark.
Idgaf I'm gonna call it Comiskey, that's what I grew up on and that's what I'm calling it. Is it a top 10 park? No. Is it useless? NO! It could do with major renovations and maybe in another decade we can talk about a new stadium, but it's still a beautiful park. Only gripe is they should have oriented the park better, but it's not horrific.
I really enjoyed the game I saw there. It was nice. I actually had a better time at a White Sox game than I did a Cubs game. To me, the Stadium is fine and this is just a way for the owner to try to get richer.
Looks like Jerry Reinsdorf is up to his old tricks again. The White Sox are one of the inaugural AL teams (as are the As and my primary team, the Tigers), and if there's any team that shouldn't move, it's them. As a Tigers fan, I don't want to see anything undermine our historic rivalry with them; as someone who's sympathetic to the Cubs (they're probably my second-favorite NL team after the Dodgers) I don't want to see that rivalry get broken up; as someone who cares about preserving the history and legacy of Major League Baseball as a whole I don't want to see a team leave a market it's been in for nearly 125 years. I sure hope the proposal for a new field in the loop works out, and if all else fails that Reinsdorf has to sell the team to new ownership that's committed to keeping it in Chicago.
It'll feel weird to see the White Sox move considering that they have been on the south side since its inception. Also if one of the proposed relocation cities is true(Nashville), the rivalry between the Sox and Tigers would feel less authentic.
@@Soulmodulation Yes, I'm familiar with that. It was technically three minutes past the deadline, but they literally stopped the clocks in the legislative chamber so they could legally say they met it. But even if Reinsdorf had announced intentions to move the team to Tampa at that point, I think there's a high chance it still would've failed. Keep in mind that 10 votes from the AL and 8 voted from the NL would've been needed to approve it, and at that time, many owners (particularly the more senior ones) still recalled firsthand how traumatic the loss of the Dodgers and Giants were for New Yorkers. I think it's safe to say that the Tigers, Brewers and As would've all voted against it, and probably more teams as well.
@@Soulmodulationno, the Illinois House failed to do their homework, and call Jerry’s bluff. He knew that place in St Pete was gonna be an absolute mausoleum (and it is) and counted in his boy, Gov Thompson, to come through for him on a stadium deal (he did).
Great points Brodie! I hope more influential people call out MLB and Manfred for this obvious ploy to move major league teams around like a chess piece… It’s not right for the generations of fans in these faithful cities. Shameful.
The white Sox have a good fan base relocating would be incredibly stupid. The issue is Reinsdorf and that they are awful. Once Reinsdorf is gone and if they get an invested owner they could be one of the more successful teams in baseball
@@Harrja Yeah not surprised. I doubt Oakland A's fans are gonna cheer for the Giants. Raiders fans never liked the 49ers. Tho to be honest, the White Sox should probably move because the Cubs are gonna take precedent over anything they would want anyway.
Brodie, seeing how the A’s situation went down, Manfred has set a very dangerous precedent for the other teams to follow. The White Sox are a historic team. I’m very concerned about this. The owner needs to foot half of that asking cost if not all of it. I know the owners want public money, but if they want a new ballpark they can pay for it themselves!
Is Reinsdorf going with the Fisher plan of action to bleed the team dry and then say "See nobody wants to see them so we have to move the team" Wherever a red carpet city is.
Charlie Comiskey is rolling in his grave. I don't have a great understanding of what Reinsdorf's been doing - or not doing - to the club. What's the bottom line? I mean aside from his attempt to extort the city. The club won 91 games just a few years ago. They've certainly fell hard fast. The stadium may be a bit uninspired, but I don't get the sense it's past it's days. It would be terrible if the Sox left the South Side, let alone the city entirely.
I live in the Chicago area, I have been wondering this for a few yrs myself. Is the city big enough to support 2 mlb teams. There is a definite parallel between the White Sox and A's. As a Cubs fan I want the Sox staying, I love the Cubs-Sox rivalry. I hope they don't leave
They have been big enough to support 2 teams for 124 years and they still are because one team has fallen on hard times there is a bandwagon to get one of those teams on a train 🚂 heading out of town
If I were a Sox fan I'd be terrified too. Reinsdorf has no morals. Im a cubs fan, I know sox fans dont want our pity. But we still both play in chicago. I dont gain anything by half the city losing their team. Its not the stadium either, its still pretty nice, and the food is top tier. Way easier to get to than Wrigley too. Its all Reinsdorf.
The aging Jerry Reinsdorf (he's 88 years old) needs to sell the team to more stable ownership who will actually invest in the farm system. Second, if he doesn't want to use his own money, he might be better off asking Governor JB Pritzker for a direct, personal loan. (The governor is worth $3.5 billion.)
I could totally see the Angels relocating to Sacramento and going back to being the California Angels. Not saying they should, but I could see it happen.
My money would be on the Diamondbacks moving before the Sox. However, I think that would be a move to another part of Arizona not too far from where they currently play. Plus, they have pretty solid attendance. I'd say a renovation is more likely.
If the angels move they wouldn’t be leaving the LA area. I’ve heard rumors about Long Beach and there are other options in and around LA if the Angels are to ever move.
The Sox aren’t going anywhere. They spend the post and preseason acquiring some of the top prospects. The cost of mlb relocations is insane. It’s a long negotiation process now The Sox might not want a new stadium but rather a good deal renewing their laughable lease in 2029 instead and the ability to build more in their area. You don’t negotiate for the thing you want.
They do nothing for season ticket holders , they use to give a few parties, a few gifts -nothing anymore and I use to buy a 40 game plan. The ticket reps and other personnel are rude very rude
The proposed White Sox site was once a railroad yard. Most of the city's passenger trains came into Chicago from the south and passed near this area. Once passenger trains left, the land was still there. There are probably some environmental cleanup issues associated with the site. And the White Sox have long been the second team in the market. The concept of developing some form of shopping/business.entertainment district surrounding sports facilities is relatively new, as the surrounding constantly used development subsidizes the stadium, which is only used part of the year. One of the first people to do that was Steve Ellman, the former owner of the Arizona Coyotes, who built a development called "Westgate" to the north of the new Glendale arena. Ellman had an excellent idea, but its execution had two flaws. One was the 2008 "great recession" which stopped the anticipated growth in the Glendale area, and the second flaw, in 20/20 hindsight, was the location. Ellman was banking on the growth of the west Valley to make up for the fans lost by the relocation. It didn't work out.
Jerry reinsdorf spent over 200 million on the whitesox payroll 2 years ago. And he spent that money with bad attendance from the fans. Man I’d die for an owner to spend like that in Ohio. Y’all are blessed lol. Cleveland won’t even spend half of that
@@gnielsen07 he's never spent more than $75 mil on a player, in 06 there was record attendance and he then dropped payroll that team went 90-72 to 72-90, after winning the division in 21, their only big signings were relievers, he spends no $ in scouting and analytics, he won't fire the manager because he doesn't want to pay him, he hired the gm from inside the organization instead of an outside search, and he's now asking the city for $1 billion in tax payers $ for a new stadium
There is nothing to worry about. JB Pritzker is one on the most powerful governors in the country and his family owns the Hyatt Hotel chain. Adding the stadium at The 78 will support the Hyatt McCormick Place, 1 mile south and Hyatt Regency 1 mile north . Everyone's pockets will be filled by this construction project. What will happen is that a bill to expand the Illinois Sports Facility credit line to support both projects will be put into the Illinois budget at the end of the May. The State Democrats would not dare vote against the bill, since JB funds their campaigns. The state does not have to worry about tax holder backlash, because the Illinois Republican party is inept. Rinesdorf may be a bad baseball owner, but he knows how to play Illinois politics. The only thing that will hold this up is that someone's pockets are not properly lined. Illinois is not stupid like California. Don't compare us to them.
Chicago is Chicago. The White Sox have been playing in this city since the American League started. No team is going to leave a city of that size for some podunk "town." Don't let this bonehead or Reinsdorf scare you. Another thing, there is a big difference between the Bay Area and Chicago. Oakland has all kinds of issues, which is a big reason why the Raiders and Warriors left - and why the A's are leaving. It's a completely different situation than Chicago. If you think the MLB commissioner is fine with an American League team leaving Chicago - then you are some kind of stupid! One last point, if the White Sox were to leave, do you really think the Cubs would remain in Wrigley Field for very long? In an old and "smaller" stadium. The house of cards would begin to fall to no one's liking.
I live in Chicago, and here is something to consider. The cost of housing has skyrocketed in the city over the last 20 years or so. There have been many hardworking, decent families priced out or gentrifyed out of Chicago in that time. This is a problem that deserves the attention and response of Government Officials at both the City and State levels. A billionaire owner of a horrible baseball team deserves no response at all. Reinsdorf is a billionaire who can go buy land somewhere and easily afford to build a ballpark, even though he has a perfectly good tax payer funded ballpark available to him now. And I would say the exact same thing for the Bears. Neither the Sox ballpark, or the Soldier Field renovation are even paid for yet, even though both were done more than two decades ago. If Reinsdorf wants to go, let him go fleece somebody else.
The same Chicago that has to borrow $1.25 billion for housing and development isn't exactly in the position to give the White Soxs $1.7 billion. Also, the current ballpark isn't really the White Sox's problem. This isn't an Oakland Colosseum-like issue. Guaranteed Rate Field has received renovations over the years. The two big issues with the White Soxs are that the area around the stadium needs development and the franchise is bad. They've missed the playoffs something like 15 times since they won the world series in 2005 and the current team is one of the worst in history. It makes a lot more sense for the city of Chicago to invest in the area around the current ballpark and for the team to invest in the farm system and free agents.
This is the part I don't get...the same people who say Chicago is crime ridden, and they'll never visit. A, it's not true, but B, even if you're not comfortable visiting, how exactly does redirecting money away from addressing the problems you're concerned about and giving them to a sports team in any way help?
@draneym2003 It started with getting suburban commuters to stay in the city after work. By patronizing local businesses, those businesses can pay city taxes which allow services to be funded. When businesses were still leaving downtowns in the 70s and 80s, it was about providing good paying jobs, city identity, and investing in a run down area.
My great uncle, William Harridge (former president of the American League and the name on the American League Championship Trophy) would be deeply saddened by this news. My family grew up as White Sox fans. My great uncle had a soft spot for the Sox as that was his home town, AL team. Modern times, though, require modern solutions. He described it to my dad that the Cubs are the White Collar team of Chicago, and the White Sox were the Blue Collar team. It would be sad for my family to see them move, but I would hope they would go to a market that keeps them in the mid west. I could see Indianapolis working. That may be far-fetched, but Indianapolis is a growing market, and could have potential for an MLB team. Nashville would be another option.
Less actual people at the games than the reported attendance also means fewer sells in concessions and paraphernalia, and less business for nearby merchants.
I guess I should start watching the White Sox games on MLB TV. It's always interesting to keep an eye on the teams at the bottom. You never know what might happen.
current Comiskey Park is passable because of all the renovations, but i'm not from Chicago so I can't see all the problems with it just by television alone. However I am from Toronto and Rogers Centre (formerly SkyDome) is very similar, only that it has a retractable roof, so i can understand the reasoning for a new stadium. But its still a passable useful stadium. If the White Sox move than they move. It wouldn't be the first time a hurtful move happened.
I've been to SkyDome, beautiful place to hold wrestling events. As for Comiskey, yeah it has it's issues but they don't really necessitate a new stadium at the current moment. It's not an ugly park, it's not the beauty of Camden Yards or Kaufman Stadium, but it's still a great place for now.
Reinsdorf actually could have Camden Yards, but he turned it down and wanted a "modern" stadium. Could you imagine how the Chicago skyline would have looked in the background? Amazing.
And that’s one of the issues with the merging of the AL and NL, when the two were separate entities that is one of the things that saved the Sox in Chicago a few times in the 70’s because the AL did not want to loose the Chicago market to the NL, now without that competition the owners and the league officials have very little regard and will say something as stupid as “the Giants exist”, or in the future “the cubs exist”.
go to the National Baseball Hall of Fame, spend a couple of days touring the site and make a list of all the displays, references and photos featuring the White Sox. They are a an integral part of the game of baseball and moving them would be taking one of the foundation stones from our game. MLB would be much the poorer league without them. This has to work out. On a personal note, I saw them on April 7 1977 at the first ever game of my hometown Toronto Blue Jays. Good memories. They played on a snowy field!
I get called a screaming Mimi when I talk about Baseball's knickers being on fire and they are still fitting themselves for a new suit. They already have a colossal fail in Oakland with a failed team, a failed management, and a stillborn relocation. They have a successful team in St. Petersburg that still has trouble drawing fans because of location and political squabbling over the new venue. KCMO just killed a faciliites tax for two teams (although KC is probably the least of MLB's relo problems at this point). Milwaukee just raided their coffers for the Brewers, the political backlash of which we will see come November. The Angels are on notice. Even Baltimore! Kendrick's not-so-veiled threat to move the D'Backs out of Phoenix. St. Louis just passed gas on this. Better believe that Jacobs in Cleveland and Coors in Denver are both in the crosshairs soon. Even Petco in San Diego turns 20 this year - that magical age where seemingly everything in Baseball becomes magically obsolete and derelict - unless of course you're the Red Sox, Cubs, Yankees, or Dodgers...Think about that. That's fully one-third of the entirety of MLB with fan bases being extorted for titatnium plated cup holders in the luxury boxes...Now here comes Reinsdorf. He only needs a billion and a half. Sure! Just head on down to 121 North La Salle and grab it out of the petty cash drawer. No big deal. And sure. You can have all the prime real estate you want in the 78. Just take it. They love you so much, it would be their honor to shower you with these regal gifts. Oh. But there's one little problem. There's been a little glitch with a company called Ballys. Yeah, they screwed that site up. Right before they closed the Tropicana Las Vegas after promising your boy John Fisher free land there for his A's. Seems the pilings for their big, bad casino were going right into the city's utilities. Ooops!... 😃...So you might have to clean up that mess first. Just go on back to La Salle then, and grab yourself another billion and a half from the Teeasurer. She'll be waiting for you...Honestly, MLB ownership couldn't tarnish their reputations any more if they all went out on parade in beehive wigs dressed in mumus with electric blue eye shadow and ruby red lipstick...
Proceed w/ caution. -- Salt Lake is making all kinds of overtures to attract an MLB team. As you may have heard, they just got Arizona's NHL team ( minus the name).
Contrary to public opinion, Chicago is NOT A CUBS TOWN! Chicago is the third largest metro market in the country. The South Side is technically a blue collar area where the White Sox play, as compared to the yuppie debutant north side where the Cubs play. As a Sox fan, I am sick and tired of these millionaire owners begging like Keith Sweat to the city and state governments for public money to get a new stadium. That would ultimately mean tax hikes and we have been taxed to the eyeballs! Call me a wishful thinker, but we need another Bill Veeck type owner who cares more about winning and the fans than money! Okay…..rant over.
I always feel so sorry for fans and players on teams like this. For players you dream of playing in the big leagues and once you make it your playing at home in front of fewer fans then you did in AAA or even high school. Then the fans are so passionate but no one seems to care other then you.
That would be ashamed My family loves ❤ The Chicago White Sox for many years & the food 🍱 ( Stadium 🏟️), some of the best in MLB We know team needs work, but still support them Nothing wrong with old stadium
The Sox and As comparison is terrible. The As have already moved multiple times. The Sox have been in Chicago for well over 100 years and are a founding member of the AL. Saying that the MLB doesn't have a vested interest in keeping the Sox in Chicago is out of town stupid. Also, the Sox fanbase is much larger than that of the As. The number of net people that baseball will lose as fans is massive.
FYI, like Bruiser Brodie mentioned, cold, early games in Chicago so far. In 2023, White Sox outdrew the Tigers, Pirates, Rays, Royals, Marlins, and (guess who?), so they aren't exactly a disaster when it comes to butts in the seats + paid ticket no-shows.
NO ONE BETTER SAY NASHVILLE. They are not moving out of Chicago. They have the third best local TV deal. Ownership it the issue with the Sox’s. A’s are a bit different they have one of the worst deals in market that just does not support two teams.
I don't think any market should have more than 1 team in a league anyway. Illinois is losing population and Philadelphia Boston and St Louis all had 2 teams at one point too. Demographics and population trends of the US are moving south and west.
Please check out the Reno's to blue Jays park. $300 million x 2 during off season to demolish and rebuild Rogers Stadium all private funds & Canadian dollars place is now retro and fan friendly
MLB is not going to allow the White Sox to move from the Chicago area, as that would mean abandoning a major city / media market. Even though the Cubs are there, the revenue from having two teams in Chicago would be enough to cause MLB to say no to any relocation, unless it's to a suburb of Chicago. If Illinois refuses to give spend tax money on a new White Sox stadium, the team will likely relent and work out a deal. Unlike Oakland, the city of Chicago has leverage over the Sox. Where could the Sox go, that would have the revenue potential of the Chicago area?
Austin/ San Antonio. Single team in a 5 million+ region. Charlotte--major banking center MLB already allowed a team to leave a richer area with just as much population. That team was also the 2nd team in that region in terms of popularity. Just because they have 'Chicago' on their jerseys and play within city limits might not save them.
I’m a Cubs fan and would honestly hate to see the White Sox leave. I’d miss the crosstown rivalry. In the realm of baseball many cities throughout its history have had two teams. Boston, St Louis, and Philly all had two teams but, the less popular team left in two of those three cities. New York once had three teams and two of them left for SF and LA. Chicago is the only baseball town to have had two teams the longest compared to other places. The White Sox would actually give the Cubs some serious competition for popularity if they were competitive on a consistent basis and if the right people were in charge. Reinsdorf isn’t that guy.
I disagree with the MLB not caring about the Sox staying in Chicago. Oakland doesn’t seem to want sports there and all teams are moving. Sadly, this is a wait until Jerry does situation. Just like Blackhawks fans had to do with Bill Wirtz. Jerry at 88 isn’t getting any younger and doesn’t want to compete. He’s worried about penny pinching. This is why the Bulls and Sox never can compete at the highest levels.
Its crazy how in hindsight, for all the hate he got, that their most successful stretch in the last 5 years was under Tony LaRussa. Im a Cleveland fan but White Sox looked like a juggernaut for years to come, and then they threw the pin instead of the grenade.
I'm a huge sox fan. I think they are gone. Illinois is not paying for a new stadium. I think they are going to break there lease and relocate maybe as early as next season
Not going to happen in your or my lifetime. MLB will not stand for losing a charter American League team in Chicago. If anything, would not make economic sense for baseball overall. This is a charter American League team in a huge metropolitan area.
MLB wants two expansion teams by 2030 or so. It will be interesting to see if there are a few relocations within that (Las Vegas A's, Royals or Sox?). With Sox, could be a situation where name stays possibly worked out in some deal. Chi gets in on expansion with new White Sox.
IMO no way they're gonna get Chicago a second team again, even if White Sox is historical franchise (charter member of AL) Probably the same reason MLB/Manfred give on why he won't give Oakland team back in the next expansion
I don’t see the Royals going anywhere if the White Sox move it’s gonna be to Nashville but I hope things work out, the A’s Vegas move is giving me some skeptics but I still think it’ll happen
I don’t understand the overreaction by EVERYBODY. Yes this is a historically bad season so far…guess what….almost every team has had a historically bad season. The royals had like 3 or 4 straight seasons with over 100 losses and I never heard fans saying the team was gonna move or sell. It’s baseball…shit happened. Things didn’t work out. What could go wrong, did go wrong. It happens. People are just being extreme because we were built and promised to be a dominating team and we didn’t.
The only way Chicagoans could see Don Mattingly and the Yankees play 30 yrs ago in person was when the Yankees played the White Sox. Now, Aaron Judge will play at Wrigley once every 2 years. Baseball is trying to get more eyes on more meaningful games. And given the fact that they approved a team to move away from a populated, rich market with almost no plan on paper, I don't see why they won't do the same with the 2nd team in a populated, slightly less rich baseball town.
I prefer the White Sox over the Cubs. The thing I’m concerned is the public funding not going through but I hope the White Sox get the stadium on the 68
7:50 MLB is giving the Chicago AL franchise its blessing to move to Nashville in 2029. To save the maximum amount of money possible, the White Sox are going to break their Guaranteed Rate Field lease move, to Victory Field in Indianapolis, play as the Indiana White Sox for four seasons and then become the Nashville Stars. It's the most cost-effective business move they can make because no White Sox fan in his or her right mind is going to buy a ticket starting right now.
The day the White Sox leave Chicago is the day I am done with Baseball in any capacity (which isn't much even now) Be damned on my life if I switch to being a Cubs fan....
These "Spin Cycle" videos are tough to take, but they keep popping up. The '70s and '80s are gone, and not returning. People are not going to pay to watch bad baseball teams anymore, because the on-field action is tedious (strikeouts, un-athletic players, bullpen usage), the rules have become borderline semi-pro (pickoff attempt limits, ghost runner, three-batter min, DH), and the scheduling is exhausting; inter-league play and too many teams. In the days of 16 or even 24 team MLB as a fan you could follow your team extensively, and the rest of the teams in its league in a good amount of depth. MLB is trying to adopt the NFL model, where people root for their teams, but don't really know the roster, and have no idea about opponents' rosters. Good luck trying to sell that to people who actually are willing to buy season tickets to baseball games ...
I think we're about to reach the point where cities/states/provinces start pushing back against owners demanding taxpayer-funded resources on a regular basis. In the short run, it likely means a few teams have to relocate, and in a few cases we'll see "historic" franchises relocate. In the long run, I see this as a good thing; this isn't where taxpayer money should be spent, given the greater priority issues that exist in areas such as education, healthcare, and social system. Unless these owners can come up with ways to improve those areas in the process of making their demands...and they won't...then more and more jurisdictions will tell the owners to go pound salt, and that's a good thing.
i wouldn’t say they won’t. NYCFC just got their MLS stadium in Queens NY approved and it’s entirely being built with private funding, not to mention it is being built alongside the LARGEST redevelopment program in NYC in the last 40 years. The entire area around Willets Point(where the stadium is being built)is being revitalized. New affordable housing, new public school, new public library, tens of thousands of square feet of open space and green spaces. The ownership group is paying the entire 780 million for the new stadium while the city/state is paying for the revitalization projects to go alongside it. It’s possible when ownership and the municipality work together and logistically figure out what makes sense, both parties just have to be willing to make it work. Not to mention if legislatures really want, they can just make moving a massive legal nightmare like Ohio has after losing the Browns
I wonder if Brodie had been around in the early 1950's, what he would have said about proposed relocations of the Boston Braves, St. Louis Browns, and Philadelphia Athletics, the less popular of teams in two-team markets of that time. A few years later, in 1957, what he would have said about proposed relocations of the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers out of the nation's largest city to California, which had become the nation's second-most-populous state within the previous 10 years and would soon surpass New York in population.
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No public money for sports stadiums. If the San Francisco Giants, Los Angeles Kings, Boston Bruins, Golden State Warriors, and Los Angeles Clippers can pay for the construction costs of a stadium, then the White Sox can too. Heck, even Jerry Reinsdorf’s other team (Chicago Bulls) paid 50% of the construction costs of the United Center. The Chicago Blackhawks paid the other 50%.
According to ESPN, White Sox average 17,776 per game so far in 2024, still higher than the Royals (15,955) and the usual suspects: Rays (15,576), Marlins (14,259), A's (6,243). Their ballpark looks fine - might have to get used to it as the Bears are the priority in terms of building a stadium complex which will likely cost over $3B all in, with the Bears apparently willing to contribute $2B. I think everyone knows the Bears stadium will get built. You're move, Mr. Reinsdorf.
Here’s the thing: if there wasn’t already two teams in Chicago baseball would not put another expansion team there. I think baseball would love to add more markets to the mix and they might be fine with the Sox leaving Chicago because the Cubs are such an important franchise.
Both are historic. If Sox leave, it could be a situation where name stays for expansion team possibility. Sox were born in Chi. MLB wants two expansion teams so even if a few teams move around (A's to Vegas, Sox to wherever and rebranded) you still get new markets + huge expansion fee. Maybe LV A's, Nashville Honky-tonks (rebranded from Sox), Chi White Sox expansion team, Sacramento Beamers expansion team.
We’re tired of Reinsdorf’s actions
Or inaction. I trust any random fan off the street to run this organization more competently than reinsdork
As a non-White Sox fan, so am I.
The old goat has to go
Jerry Reinsdorf is the biggest problem
I would like this comment, but I respect the thumbs up number 👍🏾
I find it hilarious "No room to grow" is utter crap...they can definitely invest in the surrounding neighborhood and remove some of those parking lots and build a much better entertainment experience. Sell the team, Jerry.
Agreed. I hate these stadiums that have a 4x parking lot footprint than the stadium itself.
Guys who wants to spend time on that area?
How about put a better team on the field. The Cubs are proving you do not need to do a lot to be competitive in the NL Central. The White Sox could do a similar plan as the Cubs have done to be competitive in the AL Central. Develope the Minor League system, sign some free agents, hire a good manager.
@@amazingeric97 The cubs spent most decades doing garbage, their moment was 2016 like the Sox was 2005
If the White Sox think “The 78”is such a great spot and will bring in a ton of revenue with a stadium and development then pay for themselves. Team is paid for. Get a 30 year loan and finance it. If stadium financing costs too much then go “Oakland A’s” with payroll until you generate additional revenue to spend more. Certainly don’t spend crazy money on pitchers who will end up blowing their arms out.
Would be heartbreaking to see the White Sox leave Chicago. They are a historic team, one of the oldest in the league. They belong in Chicago. I know the A's are a historic team too, but they'd moved multiple times. This feels very different.
I was thinking the same thing. It always sucks when a team moves, but unless I’m mistaken, and I’m 99.9% sure I’m not, a team moving after 125+ years would be unprecedented. This is very scary because if the White Sox can move, then nobody is safe.
@@aaronstark5060literally, that honestly means really only the yankees, dodgers, and giants are literally the only teams that can be considered a lock in their city, everybody else is 5 bad seasons and one very crappy owner away from losing their franchise
It came damn close to happening on June 30, 1988, a matter of minutes
If the WS move otta Chicago, the A's could move right in... LOL.... I'm sure that ballpark is better than what the A's have right now and will take it, anyday! Call them the Chicago C's. And we're changing partners, (Sport Franchises) again. Crosby, Stills, and Nash.
@MisterCautionbut the Sox are third in MLB merch sales. The Cubs aren’t even in the top 10.
These publicly funded stadiums shouldn't be a problem...as long as they let taxpayers in for free.
Yep
If only…
Here here sam
Or sell part of the team as stock
Reinsdorf is trying to play the same game he did in 80's that ended up getting their current stadium. The state of Illinois will not be as forthcoming this time around, especially with the Bears lobbying for state funds for their planned new stadium (at least the Bears planning on putting in 2 billion of their own $$$,) Reinsdorf is looking for another handout...and he isn't gonna get it...
The state is $300 Billion in debt, which it was not in 1990.
Yeah, I doubt with the Bears thing going on, there's even a sneezing chance of the White sox getting any state funds. It's already likely Pritzker won't approve the Bears funds and I doubt both would get approved.
Most of their "attendance" is corporate season ticket sales.
They had an opportunity to build camden yards in 1991. Look up "Armour Square stadium". They chose the bare bones stadium they did.
I've been a fan of the White Sox for years but they are a weird insular franchise that doesn't seem interested in fielding a winner. Most Sox (and Bulls) fans are just tired and waiting for Jerry to die and hoping that could lead to a rebirth like the Blackhawks had.
The alternate stadium plans are so painful to look at now, seeing what we could’ve had.
Amour Stadium was NEVER a plan or an alternative. I’m sick of self-loathing, self-pitying, wallowing in their misery Sox fans who push that myth.
Umm ... the White Sox sold out every playoff game they've been in in 2005, 2008, 2021.
2000s attendance shows Sox fans show up when the product is worth it,
It's absolutely not just corporate tickets.
Yes. Armour Park. The best stadium that never was. Sox could still develop the neighborhood.
@@TrustySteeringWheelTrayI’d hope you’d sell out a playoff game lol. The white Sox attendance has been mediocre to bad for 15 years. There are some years that cleveland draws more fans ! How is that possible in a city as big as Chicago
Like the Athletics, it has to do with ownership of why the attendance is down.
Seriously, the Cubs play within the same city(just on the northside of Chicago) and dont struggle to sell tickets. Even when you factor in the last few seasons the Cubs werent stellar, fans still went to Wrigley. Granted the Ricketts have invested a lot of money into renovating Wrigley and some fairly big signings recently, but so can Reisendorf
Wrigley is historic and beautiful. Its a tourist destination for any baseball fans not just cubs fans. Its in a nice neighborhood sorrounded by bars. The sox play in the ghetto on the south side, and its best not to wander to far away from the ballpark for safety reasons.
Sox haven't had any issues with attendance until this year and parts of last year, because fans are done with Jerry's BS@@sunny1992s
@@briceticker6721spoken like someone who doesn’t live there, that area has been gentrified to shit, it’s a shit stadium admittedly and in the middle of a parking lot, so unlike wrigley, when the team is hot garbage, there is no reason to show up
Same thing in Tampa / St Pete. Ownership alienated the fan base when they said they were going to explore doing half season here and half season in Montreal. It was the final cherry on top of the shit show they've been with trying to get us to pay for their stadium.
Shit ownership causes shit attendance. The bolts have no problem filling the stands. Neither do the bucs.
Ownership should sell the team. Sox fans should be more aware of the As situation as a possibility for us. Sox fans are passionate. Stadium problems is the last thing us Sox fans ever thought of.
Jerry said he has no reason to sell the team and unfortunately, he's not wrong. He is the most powerful man in baseball. He pulled all the strings to get his 2 best friends to be the last 2 commissioners.
us sox fans are very aware of the A’s situation unfortunately, i just don’t even see how a team with 125+ years in a city couldn even be considered for relocation, even with chicago decreasing in size with another more popular team, it’s still 9 million people in the metro, all of them don’t want to be cubs fans
Jerry Reisndorf is a terrible owner! He's up there with Bob Nutting, Fisher, etc etc
People might bring up the fact that the White Sox broke their curse and won the 2005 World Series under Reinsdorf's leadership, but most of us (myself included) would argue this happened in spite of him and not because of him.
Pohlad family, who just put the Twins up for sale
Having gone through what we both went through with the A’s I don’t want anyone to go through what we did plus I can imagine people telling White Sox fans to go and support the Cubs just like us A’s fans were told to go and support the Giants which is so insulting!!!
but unlike the Giants the Cubs are the superior team, Oakland wouldn't be upgrading anything, where the Sux fans would be upgrading
@@Techguyericdspotted the cubs fan. As you say, the sux do suck so why would you want them gone? Easy team to beat up on, plus we both know you don’t want Sox fans rooting for the cubs… oh no that wouldn’t be right. So really everyone in the city loses when the Sox go. Don’t deny the electricity when both teams are actually good.
@@obesebison2178bingo!
@@Techguyericdno way a cubs fan is acting superior to anyone, you win one championship in over 100 years and act high and mighty towards other fans 💀💀💀
@@Techguyericd Trust me if the Sox leave. I would become a cardinals fan. LOL
Many Sox fans are ready to call Reinsdorfs bluff. He admitted he bluffed last time in an interview. If he wants to be the type of owner to cut bait and run instead of owning up to his failure and doing better while at the same time paying his share (most of it) of the cost of a new stadium then we don't want him here anyway. He owes this state and city big.
Here's the thing that most people are missing. There's not a lot of places for Reinsdorf to take the Sox and certainly nowhere better than Chicago.
The blow back that Reinsdorf will face with the Bulls if he moves the Sox will be huge and not repairable. He never fully repaired the damage he did for his part in the 94 strike.
Totally agree with you. No reasonable owner would move from the #2 market in the country to one of the smallest markets (Nashville's population is 715K) in the South. I have a news flash for Reinsdorf - I grew up in NC and southerners don't care about baseball. Southerners love college basketball/football and NASCAR racing. Atlanta is not the South except before General Sherman burned it down. The Braves are an exception because everyone in Atlanta is from northeastern states. I did not start watching baseball until I moved to Chicago in 2006 and then decided to be a Sox fan.
In addition, tourists in Nashville are interested in country music attractions like the Grand Ole Opry, Ryman Auditorium, Music Row, Country Music Hall of Fame & Museum, and the famous honky tonks along Broadway Avenue. I cannot see tourists being interested in paying to see one of the worst MLB teams. Even the A's have a better record now than the White Sox.
@@llee8825 Again, Nashville wants an expansion team, not the Sox.
@@KendallLitwin Yes, that is why we Sox fans need to call Jerry's bluff. I refuse to give another penny to him. Like you said, he owes the city and state $300M+ on the current stadium which is a great stadium. My Asian cousins (Dodgers fans) visited Chicago last summer and we went to the Sox vs Angels game. They liked the convenience of taking the Red Line train from the loop to Comiskey (sat in section 520 with great field view). They loved our food - elotes, Chicago style hot dogs, Italian beef sandwiches, funnel cakes, and Rainbow Cones. They enjoyed our stadium including the incredible view of downtown's skyline from the Chicago and Southside signs.
@@llee8825Forget Nashville, watch out for Salt Lake City, they just got an NHL team
@@michaelleroy9281 Yes, it is possible. I ski yearly at Snowbird and Brighton, Utah. The massive amount of Californians (including other West Coasters) with their money moving into Salt Lake City has skyrocketed the real estate market and traffic. I'm amazed at how quickly the population has exploded in the past ten years. I am no longer planning to move to Salt Lake City in retirement - more expensive than staying in downtown Chicago. 😂
Reinsdorf is worth 2.4 billion, dude can pay for his own damn stadium
He’s 87 years old. What the hell does he care? Sell the team.
Except that it would likely cost him most of his net worth. Not saying he should be holding the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois hostage like he did back in the 80s, but that counterpoint needs to be made in the interest of fairness.
I always wonder if old Comiskey Park would could have held up until 2024
Born and raised Sox fan. I refuse to give any more money to Jerry Reinsdorf. No real fans are complaining about new Comiskey Park. I love it there. Tailgating experience rules and the inside of the stadium is fine too (especially the food) in my opinion as a suburbanite, it’s way easier to get to than Wrigley. It pains me to say but at this point let them move. My love for the Sox doesn’t supercede my hatred of getting overrun with new taxes. Especially when there is still so much money owed on the current stadium. It’s lunacy
No “real” fans complain about the park????????!!!!!! Did you type that with a straight face?? All a lot of Sox fans do is bitch, moan and complain about the park.
The WS need new players, not a new ballpark.
No, they need a new ballpark. The surrounding area is unsafe.
@@Ibhenriksen Just because you feel unsafe doesn't mean the tax payers need to pony up $2 billion for a new ballpark. How about you move with the WS, which ever city the team goes too?
@@nosportsteamfollower516 Tax payers shouldn't have to put up the $2 billion but they need a new ballpark in a safer location.
But Jerry doesn't want to get those new players
@@Ibhenriksen Then don't go to the game if you don't think it's safe.
I've been a White Sox fan since 1970. I suffered through a lot of bad years, but this is the worse. The team needs new ownership. Reinsdorf has owned the Sox since 1980. We need someone who cares about the fans. All he cares about is getting a new stadium There is nothing wrong with the current Sox ballpark.
7:12 7:16 Me, since 1964 1970 still to this day remains the worst season in Sox history until 2024
I'm a lifelong fan of the team who's witnessed some good and bad seasons, even when the Sox have a bad year, the Cubs mean little
Idgaf I'm gonna call it Comiskey, that's what I grew up on and that's what I'm calling it. Is it a top 10 park? No. Is it useless? NO! It could do with major renovations and maybe in another decade we can talk about a new stadium, but it's still a beautiful park. Only gripe is they should have oriented the park better, but it's not horrific.
I always found it to be a good stadium.
I really enjoyed the game I saw there. It was nice. I actually had a better time at a White Sox game than I did a Cubs game. To me, the Stadium is fine and this is just a way for the owner to try to get richer.
Our family enjoy it ❤
It should be called 2nd rate field
A winning team can make shit stadium feel like a palace. The product on the field is the problem
Sox are a legacy franchise. Moving to Nashville, yeah ... 8 other teams want to move to Nashville. They should start a Nashville Division.
Looks like Jerry Reinsdorf is up to his old tricks again. The White Sox are one of the inaugural AL teams (as are the As and my primary team, the Tigers), and if there's any team that shouldn't move, it's them. As a Tigers fan, I don't want to see anything undermine our historic rivalry with them; as someone who's sympathetic to the Cubs (they're probably my second-favorite NL team after the Dodgers) I don't want to see that rivalry get broken up; as someone who cares about preserving the history and legacy of Major League Baseball as a whole I don't want to see a team leave a market it's been in for nearly 125 years. I sure hope the proposal for a new field in the loop works out, and if all else fails that Reinsdorf has to sell the team to new ownership that's committed to keeping it in Chicago.
It'll feel weird to see the White Sox move considering that they have been on the south side since its inception. Also if one of the proposed relocation cities is true(Nashville), the rivalry between the Sox and Tigers would feel less authentic.
@@sunny1992s Agreed, which is why I hope they stay in Chicago, even if they move to the Loop.
@@Soulmodulation Yes, I'm familiar with that. It was technically three minutes past the deadline, but they literally stopped the clocks in the legislative chamber so they could legally say they met it. But even if Reinsdorf had announced intentions to move the team to Tampa at that point, I think there's a high chance it still would've failed. Keep in mind that 10 votes from the AL and 8 voted from the NL would've been needed to approve it, and at that time, many owners (particularly the more senior ones) still recalled firsthand how traumatic the loss of the Dodgers and Giants were for New Yorkers. I think it's safe to say that the Tigers, Brewers and As would've all voted against it, and probably more teams as well.
@@Soulmodulationno, the Illinois House failed to do their homework, and call Jerry’s bluff. He knew that place in St Pete was gonna be an absolute mausoleum (and it is) and counted in his boy, Gov Thompson, to come through for him on a stadium deal (he did).
Every Sox fan hates the owner and will not support this team till he's gone.
Either if he sells the team or that other way
Great points Brodie! I hope more influential people call out MLB and Manfred for this obvious ploy to move major league teams around like a chess piece… It’s not right for the generations of fans in these faithful cities. Shameful.
The white Sox have a good fan base relocating would be incredibly stupid. The issue is Reinsdorf and that they are awful.
Once Reinsdorf is gone and if they get an invested owner they could be one of the more successful teams in baseball
We might riot if the Sox left Chicago
I mean, the Cubs are right there. Tho the White Sox unis look better imo.
@@JackKnoxx no Sox fan is going to start rooting for the Cubs if they leave
@@Harrja Yeah not surprised. I doubt Oakland A's fans are gonna cheer for the Giants. Raiders fans never liked the 49ers.
Tho to be honest, the White Sox should probably move because the Cubs are gonna take precedent over anything they would want anyway.
@@JackKnoxx when the Sox were good and the Cubs were struggling. The City turned to a Sox town. Problem is the Sox are rarely good
Brodie, seeing how the A’s situation went down, Manfred has set a very dangerous precedent for the other teams to follow. The White Sox are a historic team. I’m very concerned about this. The owner needs to foot half of that asking cost if not all of it. I know the owners want public money, but if they want a new ballpark they can pay for it themselves!
This is my team. I could totally see it happening. The plans are really great though. The stadium plan
Is Reinsdorf going with the Fisher plan of action to bleed the team dry and then say "See nobody wants to see them so we have to move the team" Wherever a red carpet city is.
Charlie Comiskey is rolling in his grave. I don't have a great understanding of what Reinsdorf's been doing - or not doing - to the club. What's the bottom line? I mean aside from his attempt to extort the city. The club won 91 games just a few years ago. They've certainly fell hard fast. The stadium may be a bit uninspired, but I don't get the sense it's past it's days.
It would be terrible if the Sox left the South Side, let alone the city entirely.
Lease is up after 2028.
Eh, not really, Comiskey was a scumbag as well.
@@KendallLitwinIs it 2028 or 2029 I'm seeing both
@@michaelleroy9281 Last year of it s 28
24 out of 30 owners would have to approve a move out of the 2 nd largest city in the country
I live in the Chicago area, I have been wondering this for a few yrs myself. Is the city big enough to support 2 mlb teams. There is a definite parallel between the White Sox and A's. As a Cubs fan I want the Sox staying, I love the Cubs-Sox rivalry. I hope they don't leave
They have been big enough to support 2 teams for 124 years and they still are because one team has fallen on hard times there is a bandwagon to get one of those teams on a train 🚂 heading out of town
Chicago has supported two teams for over a century. What are you talking about?
Stop the Scheme! Stop the Scheme!
If I were a Sox fan I'd be terrified too. Reinsdorf has no morals. Im a cubs fan, I know sox fans dont want our pity. But we still both play in chicago. I dont gain anything by half the city losing their team. Its not the stadium either, its still pretty nice, and the food is top tier. Way easier to get to than Wrigley too. Its all Reinsdorf.
The aging Jerry Reinsdorf (he's 88 years old) needs to sell the team to more stable ownership who will actually invest in the farm system. Second, if he doesn't want to use his own money, he might be better off asking Governor JB Pritzker for a direct, personal loan. (The governor is worth $3.5 billion.)
Yes
Pritzker is an actual billionaire
So?
Based off the A's and now the White Sox could the Angels be next in line to possibly relocate?
I could totally see the Angels relocating to Sacramento and going back to being the California Angels. Not saying they should, but I could see it happen.
Why would they move? Their attendance is doing fine like 13th atm. Angels don't need to relocate.
My money would be on the Diamondbacks moving before the Sox. However, I think that would be a move to another part of Arizona not too far from where they currently play. Plus, they have pretty solid attendance. I'd say a renovation is more likely.
@@Vossenator The ball park situation, it's one of the oldest and could use a replacement
If the angels move they wouldn’t be leaving the LA area. I’ve heard rumors about Long Beach and there are other options in and around LA if the Angels are to ever move.
The Sox aren’t going anywhere. They spend the post and preseason acquiring some of the top prospects.
The cost of mlb relocations is insane. It’s a long negotiation process now
The Sox might not want a new stadium but rather a good deal renewing their laughable lease in 2029 instead and the ability to build more in their area. You don’t negotiate for the thing you want.
Let them leave. No more money to subsidize Reinsdorf.
Fk that
Pls don't happen pls don't. i can't imagine a team that's been here for 123 years leaving 😢
124 years
They do nothing for season ticket holders , they use to give a few parties, a few gifts -nothing anymore and I use to buy a 40 game plan. The ticket reps and other personnel are rude very rude
The proposed White Sox site was once a railroad yard. Most of the city's passenger trains came into Chicago from the south and passed near this area. Once passenger trains left, the land was still there. There are probably some environmental cleanup issues associated with the site. And the White Sox have long been the second team in the market.
The concept of developing some form of shopping/business.entertainment district surrounding sports facilities is relatively new, as the surrounding constantly used development subsidizes the stadium, which is only used part of the year. One of the first people to do that was Steve Ellman, the former owner of the Arizona Coyotes, who built a development called "Westgate" to the north of the new Glendale arena. Ellman had an excellent idea, but its execution had two flaws. One was the 2008 "great recession" which stopped the anticipated growth in the Glendale area, and the second flaw, in 20/20 hindsight, was the location. Ellman was banking on the growth of the west Valley to make up for the fans lost by the relocation. It didn't work out.
Looks like a classic play from ownership: tank the team, fans stay away, ask for ridiculous $ for new stadium, threaten to move. So sad..
I still find it laughable they would ask for public funding before considering spending money on a good team
White sox fans are done with Jerry reinsdorf spitting in our face
Jerry reinsdorf spent over 200 million on the whitesox payroll 2 years ago. And he spent that money with bad attendance from the fans. Man I’d die for an owner to spend like that in Ohio. Y’all are blessed lol. Cleveland won’t even spend half of that
@@gnielsen07 he's never spent more than $75 mil on a player, in 06 there was record attendance and he then dropped payroll that team went 90-72 to 72-90, after winning the division in 21, their only big signings were relievers, he spends no $ in scouting and analytics, he won't fire the manager because he doesn't want to pay him, he hired the gm from inside the organization instead of an outside search, and he's now asking the city for $1 billion in tax payers $ for a new stadium
@@gnielsen07 he also has an insane stadium deal where he makes $ If fans show up or not
There is nothing to worry about. JB Pritzker is one on the most powerful governors in the country and his family owns the Hyatt Hotel chain. Adding the stadium at The 78 will support the Hyatt McCormick Place, 1 mile south and Hyatt Regency 1 mile north . Everyone's pockets will be filled by this construction project. What will happen is that a bill to expand the Illinois Sports Facility credit line to support both projects will be put into the Illinois budget at the end of the May. The State Democrats would not dare vote against the bill, since JB funds their campaigns. The state does not have to worry about tax holder backlash, because the Illinois Republican party is inept. Rinesdorf may be a bad baseball owner, but he knows how to play Illinois politics. The only thing that will hold this up is that someone's pockets are not properly lined. Illinois is not stupid like California. Don't compare us to them.
The taxpayers pockets will be emptied.
After the sweep in Philly, I'd pay Frank Thomas and Ray Durham and Jim Tomi to come back
They're all over 40 now
Chicago is Chicago. The White Sox have been playing in this city since the American League started. No team is going to leave a city of that size for some podunk "town." Don't let this bonehead or Reinsdorf scare you.
Another thing, there is a big difference between the Bay Area and Chicago. Oakland has all kinds of issues, which is a big reason why the Raiders and Warriors left - and why the A's are leaving. It's a completely different situation than Chicago. If you think the MLB commissioner is fine with an American League team leaving Chicago - then you are some kind of stupid!
One last point, if the White Sox were to leave, do you really think the Cubs would remain in Wrigley Field for very long? In an old and "smaller" stadium. The house of cards would begin to fall to no one's liking.
Wrigley Field is 110 years old, you never know someday the Cubs might threaten to leave town because their park is too old
I live in Chicago, and here is something to consider. The cost of housing has skyrocketed in the city over the last 20 years or so. There have been many hardworking, decent families priced out or gentrifyed out of Chicago in that time. This is a problem that deserves the attention and response of Government Officials at both the City and State levels. A billionaire owner of a horrible baseball team deserves no response at all. Reinsdorf is a billionaire who can go buy land somewhere and easily afford to build a ballpark, even though he has a perfectly good tax payer funded ballpark available to him now. And I would say the exact same thing for the Bears. Neither the Sox ballpark, or the Soldier Field renovation are even paid for yet, even though both were done more than two decades ago. If Reinsdorf wants to go, let him go fleece somebody else.
Manfred with the silly comment “the Giants are still here.” Are you serious? Some people are die-hard fans and won’t just go “root” for another team.
That's how Billionaires stay billionaires. By getting someone else to pay for everything. I'm sick of this.
The same Chicago that has to borrow $1.25 billion for housing and development isn't exactly in the position to give the White Soxs $1.7 billion. Also, the current ballpark isn't really the White Sox's problem. This isn't an Oakland Colosseum-like issue. Guaranteed Rate Field has received renovations over the years. The two big issues with the White Soxs are that the area around the stadium needs development and the franchise is bad. They've missed the playoffs something like 15 times since they won the world series in 2005 and the current team is one of the worst in history. It makes a lot more sense for the city of Chicago to invest in the area around the current ballpark and for the team to invest in the farm system and free agents.
This is the part I don't get...the same people who say Chicago is crime ridden, and they'll never visit. A, it's not true, but B, even if you're not comfortable visiting, how exactly does redirecting money away from addressing the problems you're concerned about and giving them to a sports team in any way help?
Bingo, this feels a lot like Oakland. Simply, a City that cannot afford it and a really crappy owner.
@@draneym2003 Amen draney!
@draneym2003 It started with getting suburban commuters to stay in the city after work. By patronizing local businesses, those businesses can pay city taxes which allow services to be funded.
When businesses were still leaving downtowns in the 70s and 80s, it was about providing good paying jobs, city identity, and investing in a run down area.
@@draneym2003 addressing the problems they have created as a warm and welcoming city to illegal immigrants. Yeah, crime is low in Chicago. smh
Why should the fans go to the games when the management doesn't care
My great uncle, William Harridge (former president of the American League and the name on the American League Championship Trophy) would be deeply saddened by this news. My family grew up as White Sox fans. My great uncle had a soft spot for the Sox as that was his home town, AL team. Modern times, though, require modern solutions. He described it to my dad that the Cubs are the White Collar team of Chicago, and the White Sox were the Blue Collar team. It would be sad for my family to see them move, but I would hope they would go to a market that keeps them in the mid west. I could see Indianapolis working. That may be far-fetched, but Indianapolis is a growing market, and could have potential for an MLB team. Nashville would be another option.
Some tickets is 16k but I promise you there isn’t 16k people at the games. It’s more like 7-12k people attending games
Less actual people at the games than the reported attendance also means fewer sells in concessions and paraphernalia, and less business for nearby merchants.
I guess I should start watching the White Sox games on MLB TV. It's always interesting to keep an eye on the teams at the bottom. You never know what might happen.
Wowsers! The WS leaving the city, with just one MLB team in Chicago ? I'm a Cubs fan, but I'd like the WS to stay in the Southside. 😮
current Comiskey Park is passable because of all the renovations, but i'm not from Chicago so I can't see all the problems with it just by television alone. However I am from Toronto and Rogers Centre (formerly SkyDome) is very similar, only that it has a retractable roof, so i can understand the reasoning for a new stadium. But its still a passable useful stadium. If the White Sox move than they move. It wouldn't be the first time a hurtful move happened.
I've been to SkyDome, beautiful place to hold wrestling events. As for Comiskey, yeah it has it's issues but they don't really necessitate a new stadium at the current moment. It's not an ugly park, it's not the beauty of Camden Yards or Kaufman Stadium, but it's still a great place for now.
You all forgot one thing, major league owners would have to approve a move out of Chicago, not a sure thing
Reinsdorf actually could have Camden Yards, but he turned it down and wanted a "modern" stadium. Could you imagine how the Chicago skyline would have looked in the background? Amazing.
And that’s one of the issues with the merging of the AL and NL, when the two were separate entities that is one of the things that saved the Sox in Chicago a few times in the 70’s because the AL did not want to loose the Chicago market to the NL, now without that competition the owners and the league officials have very little regard and will say something as stupid as “the Giants exist”, or in the future “the cubs exist”.
Let’s Build A New Bears Stadium Before we Put any Money into the WhiteSox .....It’s the Bears Time to get Some Money.
The Bears are not even close to getting a new stadium built
They aren’t going anywhere.
this is the 'make owners pay for their own shit' button
go to the National Baseball Hall of Fame, spend a couple of days touring the site and make a list of all the displays, references and photos featuring the White Sox. They are a an integral part of the game of baseball and moving them would be taking one of the foundation stones from our game. MLB would be much the poorer league without them. This has to work out.
On a personal note, I saw them on April 7 1977 at the first ever game of my hometown Toronto Blue Jays. Good memories. They played on a snowy field!
How do billionaires have the audacity to ask governments to pay for an asset that will only really benefit them in the long run.
The Cubs should leave. And I say that from a totally unbiased perspective.😊
Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel!
The Cubs were talking about relocating in2013 if their renovations at Wrigley Field weren't completed, true story
I get called a screaming Mimi when I talk about Baseball's knickers being on fire and they are still fitting themselves for a new suit. They already have a colossal fail in Oakland with a failed team, a failed management, and a stillborn relocation. They have a successful team in St. Petersburg that still has trouble drawing fans because of location and political squabbling over the new venue. KCMO just killed a faciliites tax for two teams (although KC is probably the least of MLB's relo problems at this point). Milwaukee just raided their coffers for the Brewers, the political backlash of which we will see come November. The Angels are on notice. Even Baltimore! Kendrick's not-so-veiled threat to move the D'Backs out of Phoenix. St. Louis just passed gas on this. Better believe that Jacobs in Cleveland and Coors in Denver are both in the crosshairs soon. Even Petco in San Diego turns 20 this year - that magical age where seemingly everything in Baseball becomes magically obsolete and derelict - unless of course you're the Red Sox, Cubs, Yankees, or Dodgers...Think about that. That's fully one-third of the entirety of MLB with fan bases being extorted for titatnium plated cup holders in the luxury boxes...Now here comes Reinsdorf. He only needs a billion and a half. Sure! Just head on down to 121 North La Salle and grab it out of the petty cash drawer. No big deal. And sure. You can have all the prime real estate you want in the 78. Just take it. They love you so much, it would be their honor to shower you with these regal gifts. Oh. But there's one little problem. There's been a little glitch with a company called Ballys. Yeah, they screwed that site up. Right before they closed the Tropicana Las Vegas after promising your boy John Fisher free land there for his A's. Seems the pilings for their big, bad casino were going right into the city's utilities. Ooops!... 😃...So you might have to clean up that mess first. Just go on back to La Salle then, and grab yourself another billion and a half from the Teeasurer. She'll be waiting for you...Honestly, MLB ownership couldn't tarnish their reputations any more if they all went out on parade in beehive wigs dressed in mumus with electric blue eye shadow and ruby red lipstick...
pretty soon, New York and Los Angeles will be the only two teams markets left in MLB
Most Sox fans are worried that Reinsdorf will live into his 100"s.
Proceed w/ caution. -- Salt Lake is making all kinds of overtures to attract an MLB team. As you may have heard, they just got Arizona's NHL team ( minus the name).
Salt Lake City can’t hold Chicago’s jock strap. White Sox arn’t going anywhere.
True. -- Salt Lake can't compete w/ Chi-town when it comes to their high crime rate, especially murder.@@harrellkerkhoff8054
I would rather renovate GRF.
Nobody city wants that clown show team. Reinsdorf has ruined the Sox and Bulls.
Contrary to public opinion, Chicago is NOT A CUBS TOWN!
Chicago is the third largest metro market in the country. The South Side is technically a blue collar area where the White Sox play, as compared to the yuppie debutant north side where the Cubs play. As a Sox fan, I am sick and tired of these millionaire owners begging like Keith Sweat to the city and state governments for public money to get a new stadium. That would ultimately mean tax hikes and we have been taxed to the eyeballs! Call me a wishful thinker, but we need another Bill Veeck type owner who cares more about winning and the fans than money!
Okay…..rant over.
I always feel so sorry for fans and players on teams like this. For players you dream of playing in the big leagues and once you make it your playing at home in front of fewer fans then you did in AAA or even high school. Then the fans are so passionate but no one seems to care other then you.
That would be ashamed
My family loves ❤ The Chicago White Sox for many years & the food 🍱 ( Stadium 🏟️), some of the best in MLB
We know team needs work, but still support them
Nothing wrong with old stadium
The Sox and As comparison is terrible. The As have already moved multiple times. The Sox have been in Chicago for well over 100 years and are a founding member of the AL. Saying that the MLB doesn't have a vested interest in keeping the Sox in Chicago is out of town stupid. Also, the Sox fanbase is much larger than that of the As. The number of net people that baseball will lose as fans is massive.
Exactly
I can’t imagine a different ballpark will fix this tire fire of a team.
FYI, like Bruiser Brodie mentioned, cold, early games in Chicago so far. In 2023, White Sox outdrew the Tigers, Pirates, Rays, Royals, Marlins, and (guess who?), so they aren't exactly a disaster when it comes to butts in the seats + paid ticket no-shows.
NO ONE BETTER SAY NASHVILLE. They are not moving out of Chicago. They have the third best local TV deal. Ownership it the issue with the Sox’s. A’s are a bit different they have one of the worst deals in market that just does not support two teams.
I'm checking out the Nashville newspapers occasionally, there is absolutely no news of a ballpark being built there anytime soon
I don't think any market should have more than 1 team in a league anyway. Illinois is losing population and Philadelphia Boston and St Louis all had 2 teams at one point too. Demographics and population trends of the US are moving south and west.
I absolutely agree.
Please check out the Reno's to blue Jays park. $300 million x 2 during off season to demolish and rebuild Rogers Stadium all private funds & Canadian dollars place is now retro and fan friendly
MLB is not going to allow the White Sox to move from the Chicago area, as that would mean abandoning a major city / media market. Even though the Cubs are there, the revenue from having two teams in Chicago would be enough to cause MLB to say no to any relocation, unless it's to a suburb of Chicago. If Illinois refuses to give spend tax money on a new White Sox stadium, the team will likely relent and work out a deal. Unlike Oakland, the city of Chicago has leverage over the Sox. Where could the Sox go, that would have the revenue potential of the Chicago area?
Couldn’t say it any better
Austin/ San Antonio. Single team in a 5 million+ region.
Charlotte--major banking center
MLB already allowed a team to leave a richer area with just as much population. That team was also the 2nd team in that region in terms of popularity.
Just because they have 'Chicago' on their jerseys and play within city limits might not save them.
@HHSGDFootballJPD Austin San Antonio are not bigger than Chicago not even in banking or financially
Also Brodie, you do great work. Really appreciate your efforts.
I wasn’t impressed with his report. It felt bush league. Not sure he understands how much Sox Fans hate the owner.
I’m a Cubs fan and would honestly hate to see the White Sox leave. I’d miss the crosstown rivalry. In the realm of baseball many cities throughout its history have had two teams. Boston, St Louis, and Philly all had two teams but, the less popular team left in two of those three cities. New York once had three teams and two of them left for SF and LA. Chicago is the only baseball town to have had two teams the longest compared to other places. The White Sox would actually give the Cubs some serious competition for popularity if they were competitive on a consistent basis and if the right people were in charge. Reinsdorf isn’t that guy.
I disagree with the MLB not caring about the Sox staying in Chicago. Oakland doesn’t seem to want sports there and all teams are moving.
Sadly, this is a wait until Jerry does situation. Just like Blackhawks fans had to do with Bill Wirtz. Jerry at 88 isn’t getting any younger and doesn’t want to compete. He’s worried about penny pinching. This is why the Bulls and Sox never can compete at the highest levels.
Its crazy how in hindsight, for all the hate he got, that their most successful stretch in the last 5 years was under Tony LaRussa. Im a Cleveland fan but White Sox looked like a juggernaut for years to come, and then they threw the pin instead of the grenade.
I'm a huge sox fan. I think they are gone. Illinois is not paying for a new stadium. I think they are going to break there lease and relocate maybe as early as next season
Not moving
Relocate where next season Sherlock? cow pasture like Charlie Finley once wanted to play at?
Not going to happen in your or my lifetime. MLB will not stand for losing a charter American League team in Chicago. If anything, would not make economic sense for baseball overall. This is a charter American League team in a huge metropolitan area.
There are at least 3 teams that would move before the Sox would. Rays, angels, diamondbacks
@troyarrington5492 The Angels are going nowhere someone is going to start rumors about them while we're at it
MLB wants two expansion teams by 2030 or so. It will be interesting to see if there are a few relocations within that (Las Vegas A's, Royals or Sox?). With Sox, could be a situation where name stays possibly worked out in some deal. Chi gets in on expansion with new White Sox.
IMO no way they're gonna get Chicago a second team again, even if White Sox is historical franchise (charter member of AL)
Probably the same reason MLB/Manfred give on why he won't give Oakland team back in the next expansion
Royals leaving KC would be a far bigger tragedy than this or Oakland. Those markets are two team markets and KC loves their Royals.
Tampa is another one that needs to be sorted out
I don’t see the Royals going anywhere if the White Sox move it’s gonna be to Nashville but I hope things work out, the A’s Vegas move is giving me some skeptics but I still think it’ll happen
There is a big difference between Oakland and Chicago. Sox are not going anywhere.
I don’t understand the overreaction by EVERYBODY. Yes this is a historically bad season so far…guess what….almost every team has had a historically bad season. The royals had like 3 or 4 straight seasons with over 100 losses and I never heard fans saying the team was gonna move or sell. It’s baseball…shit happened. Things didn’t work out. What could go wrong, did go wrong. It happens. People are just being extreme because we were built and promised to be a dominating team and we didn’t.
Exactly
The only way Chicagoans could see Don Mattingly and the Yankees play 30 yrs ago in person was when the Yankees played the White Sox.
Now, Aaron Judge will play at Wrigley once every 2 years.
Baseball is trying to get more eyes on more meaningful games. And given the fact that they approved a team to move away from a populated, rich market with almost no plan on paper, I don't see why they won't do the same with the 2nd team in a populated, slightly less rich baseball town.
Dont say this because it will get Salt Lake another hardon for taking a team, but a team with history like the White Sox will be very depressing.
White Sox fans, Oakland was the shot heard round the league. White Sox fans need to jump on this immediately!
I prefer the White Sox over the Cubs. The thing I’m concerned is the public funding not going through but I hope the White Sox get the stadium on the 68
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7:50 MLB is giving the Chicago AL franchise its blessing to move to Nashville in 2029. To save the maximum amount of money possible, the White Sox are going to break their Guaranteed Rate Field lease move, to Victory Field in Indianapolis, play as the Indiana White Sox for four seasons and then become the Nashville Stars. It's the most cost-effective business move they can make because no White Sox fan in his or her right mind is going to buy a ticket starting right now.
They can't play as the "White Sox" in any other city. Chicago owns the naming rights and logo. They're a historic franchise.
No, the city does not own the naming rights.
Major League Baseball has the rights to the name
The day the White Sox leave Chicago is the day I am done with Baseball in any capacity (which isn't much even now) Be damned on my life if I switch to being a Cubs fan....
Mostl likely it won’t happen
Become a Brewers fan if the White Sox leave. You can keep your dislike for the Cubs and support a team nearby that’s in the opposite league
As a cubs fan, ima be sad if the white Sox leave. They’re a historic team and should stay in Chicago. Plus I love the rivalry between our ball clubs.
@@alexm.6533Absolutely, The Windy City Rivalry is always a hoot since I'm the lone Sox fan among my Cubs loving family.
These "Spin Cycle" videos are tough to take, but they keep popping up. The '70s and '80s are gone, and not returning. People are not going to pay to watch bad baseball teams anymore, because the on-field action is tedious (strikeouts, un-athletic players, bullpen usage), the rules have become borderline semi-pro (pickoff attempt limits, ghost runner, three-batter min, DH), and the scheduling is exhausting; inter-league play and too many teams.
In the days of 16 or even 24 team MLB as a fan you could follow your team extensively, and the rest of the teams in its league in a good amount of depth. MLB is trying to adopt the NFL model, where people root for their teams, but don't really know the roster, and have no idea about opponents' rosters. Good luck trying to sell that to people who actually are willing to buy season tickets to baseball games ...
I love my team but the only reason I am actually spending money on going to a game this year is. Jordan Davis is the post game concert.
I think we're about to reach the point where cities/states/provinces start pushing back against owners demanding taxpayer-funded resources on a regular basis. In the short run, it likely means a few teams have to relocate, and in a few cases we'll see "historic" franchises relocate. In the long run, I see this as a good thing; this isn't where taxpayer money should be spent, given the greater priority issues that exist in areas such as education, healthcare, and social system. Unless these owners can come up with ways to improve those areas in the process of making their demands...and they won't...then more and more jurisdictions will tell the owners to go pound salt, and that's a good thing.
Absolutely. Unfortunately, it only takes one city to cave and give in.
i wouldn’t say they won’t. NYCFC just got their MLS stadium in Queens NY approved and it’s entirely being built with private funding, not to mention it is being built alongside the LARGEST redevelopment program in NYC in the last 40 years. The entire area around Willets Point(where the stadium is being built)is being revitalized. New affordable housing, new public school, new public library, tens of thousands of square feet of open space and green spaces. The ownership group is paying the entire 780 million for the new stadium while the city/state is paying for the revitalization projects to go alongside it. It’s possible when ownership and the municipality work together and logistically figure out what makes sense, both parties just have to be willing to make it work. Not to mention if legislatures really want, they can just make moving a massive legal nightmare like Ohio has after losing the Browns
Problem is that there are cities without a team that are willing to subsidize. See Salt Lake City, Charlotte, Nashville, and maybe even Portland.
New ownership needed for sure. If it doesn’t happen, relocation could happen
New ownership could move the team, the lease ends in 2029, if they're sold at that time, buh bye!!!
3:00 a good example of why Washington should be abbreviated was WSH
I wonder if Brodie had been around in the early 1950's, what he would have said about proposed relocations of the Boston Braves, St. Louis Browns, and Philadelphia Athletics, the less popular of teams in two-team markets of that time. A few years later, in 1957, what he would have said about proposed relocations of the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers out of the nation's largest city to California, which had become the nation's second-most-populous state within the previous 10 years and would soon surpass New York in population.
migrating west was a thing. teams were replaced out east (see KC Royals, New York Mets, etc.) It's not the same now... by any means
St Louis is not Chicago
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No public money for sports stadiums. If the San Francisco Giants, Los Angeles Kings, Boston Bruins, Golden State Warriors, and Los Angeles Clippers can pay for the construction costs of a stadium, then the White Sox can too.
Heck, even Jerry Reinsdorf’s other team (Chicago Bulls) paid 50% of the construction costs of the United Center. The Chicago Blackhawks paid the other 50%.
And So Fi Stadium
Reisdorf is getting greedy. Heck Their current stadium isn't Even paid off.
According to ESPN, White Sox average 17,776 per game so far in 2024, still higher than the Royals (15,955) and the usual suspects: Rays (15,576), Marlins (14,259), A's (6,243). Their ballpark looks fine - might have to get used to it as the Bears are the priority in terms of building a stadium complex which will likely cost over $3B all in, with the Bears apparently willing to contribute $2B. I think everyone knows the Bears stadium will get built. You're move, Mr. Reinsdorf.
Everyone in the American League Central Division draws horrible, look at all the averages
The Bears have been trying to get a stadium for the last 10 years so far no shovels in the ground
Here’s the thing: if there wasn’t already two teams in Chicago baseball would not put another expansion team there. I think baseball would love to add more markets to the mix and they might be fine with the Sox leaving Chicago because the Cubs are such an important franchise.
Both are historic. If Sox leave, it could be a situation where name stays for expansion team possibility. Sox were born in Chi. MLB wants two expansion teams so even if a few teams move around (A's to Vegas, Sox to wherever and rebranded) you still get new markets + huge expansion fee. Maybe LV A's, Nashville Honky-tonks (rebranded from Sox), Chi White Sox expansion team, Sacramento Beamers expansion team.
Things are fine when the team doesnt suck.