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I always loved disco and was a little young to go out dancing in the 70s. But I made up for it in the 80s and 90s. I’m glad ppl. that like house music now understand the connection with disco. I’m seeing a big disco come back with the younger generation now and not the commercial disco and more the underground disco.
NONE of those records, were part of the origins of Disco. Disco was about the extended, pronounced beat. That "doomp, doomp, doomp, doomp" was what made Disco "Disco".
I always get so sad seeing what people did at Disco Sucks... all that because of a music genre that preached happiness. It's scary how far prejudice can go. Regardless, I believe disco will never truly die, and its cultural and societal impact will forever be with us!!! I hope it has a reemerging, that it goes mainstream again, like in Beyonce's Renaissance or something... Great video!!! 💜
I had no idea that happened until I saw a video about it doing the research for this episode. It's terrible how things went but we can still remember its legacy! Thanks for commenting 💕
You're wrong about Saturday Night Fever. If ever a film reflected what life was like in New York at the time, that was it. It was brutal, but reality. Why have you got a clear Chip on your Shoulder regarding it ? 😡
I said in the video. It's racist, xenophobic, and they assault a woman twice. It's objectively a bad movie and doesn't do a good job with representing disco culture. Don't let nostalgia stop you from seeing that.
8:06 - Saturday Night Fever. I agree that the ORIGINAL version of the movie had problems with racism, sexism, etc, but there was a "cleaned up" version for TV that appeared in the 80's that was more acceptable. At 11, I wasn't allowed to see SNF in 1977, so I grew up with the cleaned up version and became a SNF junkie. Even John Travolta has reportedly criticised the original version. But it's still a great, fun movie and I personally excuse all it's problems because it's supposed to represent real life people with real life problems and character flaws.
@@closetedhistory I lived through the 'Disco' era. The real problem with it was as with hip hop & rap today, every song sounds the same. Disco was & is incredibly BORING!
Not even ONE mention of Larry Levan and The Paradise Garage??? Big failure!!! An iconic and pivotal moment of LGBTQ+ inclusion and history and immediate "descendant" of disco... disappointing!
I'm sorry, I applaud the efforts of this video but it is just another lazy rehash of distortion and errors that have somehow taken hold as being the true story of disco yada yada ... Over simplification, exaggeration and fabrications. That disco sucks event is given far more importance greater influence than was actually the case at the time. Disco didn't suddenly disappear overnight. There were many factors involved- the over commercialised rubbish that was pumped out in the wake of Saturday Night Fever (which itself is a complete travesty- a low budget movie, ham acting, a series of Italian American cliches with a mainly pop soundtrack mostly written by the Bee Gees that contained disco elements in the arrangements). Studio 54 is given far greater prominence while the other more vital genre defining clubs are overlooked. 54 was more about artifice, greed and the cult of personality. The mainstream pop charts continued to see big selling disco/dance hits long after the Disco Sucks nonsense. The influence of disco and dance music never really disappeared or lost its cache. Dance music is today- along with R&B the dominant popular music culture. Rock music is a declining genre becoming more and more niche. more people go out to clubs and party than ever did in the 70s. Superstar DJs are often bigger than artists and have recording/production careers and large international fan bases- David Guetta and Calvin Harris are just a couple worthy of mention.
Did you actually watch/listen to the video? Nothing in the video negates anything that you said. I think you are missing the point of the video and instead went on a tangent without thinking outside of how you already felt about it, while completely ignoring and dismissing many key factors in the birth and growth of the disco genre. When something grows so much that over commercialization of it takes hold, that is still a fall, a fall from what it truly was and stood for in the beginning. The more clubbing that you are talking about and the superstar DJs of current times are not necessarily representing what Disco roots represented, so I think the point did go over your head.
@@Cruzamluis, actually what Moutton Noir says is largely correct. There are a lot of aspects in this video that are factually flawed and there's a plethora of misinformation. This is possibly because the producers of this video are people born after the 1980's, referencing a limited number of histories, using only a few written sources or a Wiki which reference dubious historical recollections. As a person who was present at that time, take it from me, much of the information being presented here is being skewed through a 'post-modern' lens. Here are a few select facts .. * There were virtually no discotheques in the US in 1970. There were a handful of these clubs in NYC, LA, Miami and Chicago. * 'Disco music' did not originate from LGBTQ+ clubs, a fact that is not even up for debate. There was an LGBTQ+ scene within 'Mixed' and LGBTQ+ only clubs, where sexual and racial tolerance was promoted. * Disco music came from soul, funk, rock, electronic music, boogaloo and Euro music. * What many people call 'early disco' was predominantly soul music produced by the Philadelphia International/Cameo Parkway/Sigma Studio house band. * Many other US soul labels were very influenced by the Philly Sound in the early 1970's, following suit and producing soul music with major orchestration. This became the blueprint for most commercial disco music of the late 1970's. * The same musicians who played in the early Sigma Studio house band would travel to NYC on weekends playing soul revues in NYC clubs with DJ's playing between sets. There are many accounts of New Yorkers, stating that this was their first exposure to what could be considered 'early' disco music. The records and DJ's became more popular. * Kool and The Gang, Earth, Wind & Fire, The Ohio Players, etc were all strongly identified as funk bands right throughout the 1970's. Each band made a few disco records during the commercial peak of disco, and had all moved on to electro-funk/boogie by 1980. The point is, their records were played in clubs and discos. * Mancuso's Loft was largely unknown except to a small NYC sub-culture. The way it's written about nowadays is not in proportion to it's actual influence at the time. Also, it doesn't actually fit the description of a disco, it was probably more of a lounge club. * In 1973 Frankie Knuckles was barely 18 and was being mentored by Nicky Siano. He was largely unknown at this time, despite what the video claims.
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DISCO IS LIFE
but even back then media has portrayed it as if it was already a dying fad😡
Yes! The disco era had so many good songs and was really influential on music we hear today
I always loved disco and was a little young to go out dancing in the 70s. But I made up for it in the 80s and 90s. I’m glad ppl. that like house music now understand the connection with disco. I’m seeing a big disco come back with the younger generation now and not the commercial disco and more the underground disco.
Me too! Yeah, I am glad that people are learning the history and bringing it back. Thanks for commenting! ♥️
NONE of those records, were part of the origins of Disco. Disco was about the extended, pronounced beat. That "doomp, doomp, doomp, doomp" was what made Disco "Disco".
I always get so sad seeing what people did at Disco Sucks... all that because of a music genre that preached happiness. It's scary how far prejudice can go. Regardless, I believe disco will never truly die, and its cultural and societal impact will forever be with us!!! I hope it has a reemerging, that it goes mainstream again, like in Beyonce's Renaissance or something...
Great video!!! 💜
I had no idea that happened until I saw a video about it doing the research for this episode. It's terrible how things went but we can still remember its legacy! Thanks for commenting 💕
You're wrong about Saturday Night Fever. If ever a film reflected what life was like in New York at the time, that was it. It was brutal, but reality. Why have you got a clear Chip on your Shoulder regarding it ? 😡
I said in the video. It's racist, xenophobic, and they assault a woman twice. It's objectively a bad movie and doesn't do a good job with representing disco culture. Don't let nostalgia stop you from seeing that.
8:06 - Saturday Night Fever. I agree that the ORIGINAL version of the movie had problems with racism, sexism, etc, but there was a "cleaned up" version for TV that appeared in the 80's that was more acceptable. At 11, I wasn't allowed to see SNF in 1977, so I grew up with the cleaned up version and became a SNF junkie. Even John Travolta has reportedly criticised the original version. But it's still a great, fun movie and I personally excuse all it's problems because it's supposed to represent real life people with real life problems and character flaws.
Very well researched and presented while both interesting and informative. ❤️
Music is a universal expression of equality..
Thank you! So glad you enjoyed the video 💛🩷
@@closetedhistory I lived through the 'Disco' era. The real problem with it was as with hip hop & rap today, every song sounds the same. Disco was & is incredibly BORING!
Not even ONE mention of Larry Levan and The Paradise Garage??? Big failure!!! An iconic and pivotal moment of LGBTQ+ inclusion and history and immediate "descendant" of disco... disappointing!
There are many artists that were part of the movement that I couldn't fit into the script.
I'm sorry, I applaud the efforts of this video but it is just another lazy rehash of distortion and errors that have somehow taken hold as being the true story of disco yada yada ... Over simplification, exaggeration and fabrications. That disco sucks event is given far more importance greater influence than was actually the case at the time. Disco didn't suddenly disappear overnight. There were many factors involved- the over commercialised rubbish that was pumped out in the wake of Saturday Night Fever (which itself is a complete travesty- a low budget movie, ham acting, a series of Italian American cliches with a mainly pop soundtrack mostly written by the Bee Gees that contained disco elements in the arrangements). Studio 54 is given far greater prominence while the other more vital genre defining clubs are overlooked. 54 was more about artifice, greed and the cult of personality. The mainstream pop charts continued to see big selling disco/dance hits long after the Disco Sucks nonsense. The influence of disco and dance music never really disappeared or lost its cache. Dance music is today- along with R&B the dominant popular music culture. Rock music is a declining genre becoming more and more niche. more people go out to clubs and party than ever did in the 70s. Superstar DJs are often bigger than artists and have recording/production careers and large international fan bases- David Guetta and Calvin Harris are just a couple worthy of mention.
Did you actually watch/listen to the video? Nothing in the video negates anything that you said. I think you are missing the point of the video and instead went on a tangent without thinking outside of how you already felt about it, while completely ignoring and dismissing many key factors in the birth and growth of the disco genre. When something grows so much that over commercialization of it takes hold, that is still a fall, a fall from what it truly was and stood for in the beginning. The more clubbing that you are talking about and the superstar DJs of current times are not necessarily representing what Disco roots represented, so I think the point did go over your head.
@@Cruzamluis, actually what Moutton Noir says is largely correct. There are a lot of aspects in this video that are factually flawed and there's a plethora of misinformation. This is possibly because the producers of this video are people born after the 1980's, referencing a limited number of histories, using only a few written sources or a Wiki which reference dubious historical recollections. As a person who was present at that time, take it from me, much of the information being presented here is being skewed through a 'post-modern' lens.
Here are a few select facts ..
* There were virtually no discotheques in the US in 1970. There were a handful of these clubs in NYC, LA, Miami and Chicago.
* 'Disco music' did not originate from LGBTQ+ clubs, a fact that is not even up for debate. There was an LGBTQ+ scene within 'Mixed' and LGBTQ+ only clubs, where sexual and racial tolerance was promoted.
* Disco music came from soul, funk, rock, electronic music, boogaloo and Euro music.
* What many people call 'early disco' was predominantly soul music produced by the Philadelphia International/Cameo Parkway/Sigma Studio house band.
* Many other US soul labels were very influenced by the Philly Sound in the early 1970's, following suit and producing soul music with major orchestration. This became the blueprint for most commercial disco music of the late 1970's.
* The same musicians who played in the early Sigma Studio house band would travel to NYC on weekends playing soul revues in NYC clubs with DJ's playing between sets. There are many accounts of New Yorkers, stating that this was their first exposure to what could be considered 'early' disco music. The records and DJ's became more popular.
* Kool and The Gang, Earth, Wind & Fire, The Ohio Players, etc were all strongly identified as funk bands right throughout the 1970's. Each band made a few disco records during the commercial peak of disco, and had all moved on to electro-funk/boogie by 1980. The point is, their records were played in clubs and discos.
* Mancuso's Loft was largely unknown except to a small NYC sub-culture. The way it's written about nowadays is not in proportion to it's actual influence at the time. Also, it doesn't actually fit the description of a disco, it was probably more of a lounge club.
* In 1973 Frankie Knuckles was barely 18 and was being mentored by Nicky Siano. He was largely unknown at this time, despite what the video claims.