Love our 79 series affectionately called the no flex! We’ve done the 300ml extension which has increased the turning circle but it’s still doable. We have a tong camper on the back of ours which we had fitted out to suit ourselves. The good part like Gwen says is the dual cab giving you storage so you have a place for everything without having to shuffle stuff around as much. We’ve kept weight down by having a 95ltr upright fridge instead of dropdown.we also have a lift up bed with clothes storage underneath plus comfortable seating for 3 with a slide out table so we can get out of the weather if need be. I love watching your videos & adventures, constantly learning new ideas. Thankyou
As noted, this game is all about compromise. To an American RV’er you guys are backpackers. To many Africans, you have more luxuries in your camper than they own. Luxury is in the eyes of the beholder I guess but the biggest luxury of all is being able to get out there and enjoy some of the most beautiful places on earth. Enjoy the travels.
RVing in the US is for retired people and boring imo, where Overland Rigs in the US, My weapon of choice is my FZJ80 before that was a 79 Scout II. We have had overlanding a long long time here but it was always just called camping trips in the back country.
I truly appreciate your honesty in the last minute. You have invested a great deal of time, thought, and effort into building your new rig. And to publicly state that your not in love with it is huge. That is a great display of humility. I love that about you. Just because we have an idea,and then put forth all the effort to bring it to fruition, does not mean that it will become successful in the ways we imagined it would. However, by going down that path, we demonstrate our courage to take chances. THAT my friend....IS ADVENTURE!
We associate vehicles with periods in our life, they remind us of happy times. So when you see a Troopy, it takes you back to Africa. Same with the Classic Range Rover. For me it is the 76, fortunately, mine is parked outside. 30 years old but still gorgeous.
I think you’ve nailed it there, even if we don’t even realise it, those good memories will always influence our emotions and take our minds back to good times 👍
@Peter Alan Clark Look after these simply old girls, people think I am nuts driving and old vehicle with not so great fuel consumption. I just smile an know I don't have to pay a mechanic to fix it. Not sure where you are Peter but in the UK they want at least £70 per hour. I am pleased I have all my tools and have spent time learning how to fix my LandCruiser.
Best Aussie invention is the Plastic bullbar saves lives not just human livestock and wildlife, seen a guy it cattle at 100 kph in his Pajero no damage to the bar whatsoever and the calf ran away after being struck at 100!
This THE most honest review I've seen for a vehicle. The last "love-affair" reveal was particularly direct. A very entertaining and revealing review. Congratulations on your new experiences!
Your conclusion summed it all. Your vehicle is a love affair. I can find many reason why my 2012 Jeep JKU with 270k arrive second place to à 4Runner of the same use but yes, for me, it’s the best things. On the topic of family/confort, because I like the base camp concept and because I want my family to be there, I pull a small M101 CDN2 trailer. Is it a pain to install and to break camp, yes, a bit but if I’m alone, I throw the RTT on top of the Jeep and I’m gone. It brings flexibly which for us compensate for the hassle of the trailer setup/breakdown. I really liked that episode.
I'm sure that the dual cab is more practical, but IMO it doesn't have the same cool factor that the troopie does. It's an uncanny phenomenon where aiming for a more "ultimate" version actually makes the final product less likeable in some respects. The troopie as an inherent design is one of the all-time greats.
Thank you Andrew and Gwynn for this fair and impartial review. I drive my JKU with a RTT around Switzerland and I love it. I got that taste for 4x4 camping because of you two. Thank you for that!
I think Gwynn nailed it within the first minute, when she said (to paraphrase) "It's a beast that needs wrestling into submission". To me, it's like comparing a pocket calculator to a laptop computer. If you only NEED a calculator, everything about a laptop is going to be an extra burden. If, OTOH, you make reasonable use of a laptop, it's VASTLY more capable than a calculator. Massive respect for being able to discuss this in a relatively objective manner, questioning the decisions and choices you've made, without allowing your ego to assert that everything about this vehicle is perfect. Maybe the real lesson, here, is not to underestimate the importance of "gut feeling"? You've previously made video's which demonstrate how to list priorities objectively. Maybe it's okay to put, right at the top of the list, something like "MUST be based on a Troopy", and then the rest of the build will be contingent on that? I'm thinking, what you really want is to take a 79 dual-cab (possibly with the extended wheelbase), graft the rear shell of a Troopy onto it and then fit a pop-top to the roof. Or, that might be a bit simpler if you used a LR Defender 130 as the base vehicle. Go on. You know you want to. ;-)
Dude I love how honest you are!! Look that troopy was stunning, very hard to find another vehicle that looks as cool as that thing!!! But when you take the camper off and you are carrying stuff back from IKEA or Bunnings like an absolute boss you will be grinning from ear to ear!!
Well said at the end! I see all these massive 79s online, Ram, supertourers and get very excited! Then I go out, look at my 75 series troopcarrier and realise that I would never swap for any of those rigs. It’s a love affair, that’s it
Modifications are dependent in which state you reside. Eg Andrew reside in WA, if he ventured to NSW, the police must likely would defect the vehicle and force it to be re-engineered to nsw standards. Fit this reason, is not worth the time and money to commit to such ideas
Excellent debate and conclusion. We’ve struggled with the same issues and made comfort compromises. But we refuse to tow a trailer because it will limit our route and destination options.
I’ve never owned a troopie, hell the only vehicle I’ve owned is my dad’s old hand me down Nivara, which I’ve loved using for the last couple of years to introduce my wife to camping (she lives it now), and the vehicle’s dying. Can’t afford a new one. You’re new vehicle looks like heaven. It’s all perspective, and I understand the love and feeling of a vehicle, but from what I’ve seen you’ve done an amazing job. It’s an inspiration to so many people 👍😊
You nailed it Gywnn! I'd rather lose my will-to-live than Tow something! Great honest review Andrew and Gywnn. The only way you'll be 100% happy is with a full custom canopy bolted to the chassis, so much lighter, stream lined, lower to the ground and with all your personal touches. Marty from Perth
Andrew and Gwyn, I believe you made the perfect choice. I used to drive a Jeep CJ7, then a Jeep TJ. I even lived out of the TJ when I lost my job and was homeless for several months. I slept in that tiny soft top Jeep at 7,000 feet in the winter in Flagstaff, Arizona with my do Jedda. It was a monster off road with BF Goodrich All Terrains in 33x9.50/15! But, for camping it was way tiny! I then sold it and got an FJ Crusier. Love the FJC and enjoy driving it! This summer we got a brand new Tacoma crew cab with the intention of turning it into a similar idea as what you have. It's not very big, but I believe it will be perfect for camping and traveling around the USA and Canada. The FJC will remain used for shorter trips. I am also converting a school bus into an RV for very long trips that focus more on visiting family and long stays-we may even live out of it. Still, that will have a trailer to bring along either the FJC or the Tacoma. If you're interested, you can find the build on my channel. Regardless, thank you for yet another educational, enjoyable video! I hope one day my wife and I can share a camp with you both! We would love to have some great conversation!
Great honest review of the two vehicles, personally I can not go past the Carry me camper. We have owned one for 11 years and travelled all over the country, canning stock route, Simpson etc. Just ordered the new hard lid from Jackson’s it looks brilliant. All you have in your vehicles without the build process. Take it off and you have your daily driver and no towing unless you want to tow a boat!
Your wife has a very valid point to removing the rear seats for more storage. We always use the rear for the dogs and for extra storage, seats take a lot of room taking them out makes a huge difference. Love watching your videos. Hi, from Colorado U.S.A.
Had the privilege to see both your cars, and of my recent in the show the other week. What I love was your electric setup, it was a masterpiece. What I hated, was you whole canopy/ camper is open. So from the outside you can see your bed, drawers and everything inside. I guarantee you will hate that over time as you will get dust everywhere up north. You couldn’t put smelly clothes, oils, fuel etc inside as you be breathing it all night. Poor design by Tommy on that. It looks cool, but in my opinion not as practical as you think. Would love to show you my defender and camper setup (I am in Perth) and be cool to do a video on pro’s and con. Anyway love the videos!
I enjoyed the honesty in this one. Every time we do a trip in my Troopy I wonder if I should have bought something else, bought a trailer instead, etc, etc. Then I realise I just love the Troopy, so I’ll put up with its disadvantages and enjoy its (still many) advantages.
I've been watching your videos on and off for a couple of years now, but this episode made me subscribed. I've just started appreciating your content. And once I did, I realised, it's actually brilliant. Sure, sometimes you do go on rants (It's what turned me off in the past), but for the most part, you seem to always provide an honest and balanced point of view. And that I like. Someone already mentioned it in the comments here, "The David Attenborough of the overlanding world", and I totally agree with that. Thanks for your work. 👏
I own an 80 series that I am busy kitting out for overlanding and love it but I have to admit, yesterday I had a troopy drive past me while I was waiting at the lights and it winked at me. :-)
I loved the troopy and it was really cool. But the dream tourer has a lot of advantages over the troopy - such as storage, room to live comfortably and room for gear. Just weight has to be monitored, but that’s no big deal though. I would rather use the tourer especially if I’d travel with my significant other; the troopy would be too cramped.
I absolutely loved this video and as one mentioned already, your honesty in which you like more is commendable. The difference is there… but it’s really up to each individuals purpose in what they intend to do with the vehicle and what they’re willing to put up with. I personally love the trooper. The way you have it set up is marvelous! Even the color is perfect. In fact, if you were to give that away or sell it (if I could afford it, which I probably couldn’t) I’d be first in line. I think she’s gorgeous. I’m drooling now…. lol. Anyway, looking forward to more videos. Keep them up and good work!
Andrew, your last words just said it. It's not a troopy! But, your 79 build is still a great vehicle and in my opinion the right choice for you two at the moment. In Australia you have plenty of space and on the road and in the bush the plus size doesn't matter that much. Yes, the troopy is more beautiful but remember it was your second one and you made it "perfect" and you made incredible memories with it. as well. I just have all those stunnnig shots from your Canning Stock Route with Paul in my mind... We are currently starting our "dream troopy" build here in Germany. And we had lots of discussions because we loved the easy access of a 4 door 79 DC but after all the disscussions we came back to the troopy! It's just a "feeling" and for e.g. a world trip it's just the perfect size! This will be our second troopy as well. The first one was a 1HZ the new one is a brand new GRJ Petrol. Unfortunately the VDJ isn't availabe here and I guess with more regulations to come it'll never be an option. Still our GRJ will turn out great! Thanks to your many thoughts you shared with us... The BP51 are already on their way!
Great review. Always a hard decision on what is best. I spent lockdown in SA restoring an 1990 Syncro. Just been on a 4000km trip from Cape Town to Kruger and back. Some little issues to resolve.
I am so envious of you and to have a problem like a choice between the two of them would make my day every day 👍🏻👍🏻 Another great video thanks 🙏 looking forward to the next one from 🇮🇪☘️
I can only imagine the looks one of these would get cutting around the Wild Atlantic Way, maybe one day I'll ship it back. It's a shame they were never available over there.
Me and my wife do overlanding in my 2 door Jeep Wrangler. I LOVE MY JEEP! We camp in a Oztrail 2.4 x 2.4 tent. We heat water and wash out of a basin. Compare bushwalking to Overlanding in a 2 door Jeep and its like moving from a 1 room flat to a mansion. I LOVE MY JEEP! and yes we are grey nomads.
Great Video Andrew!! Always great to have Gwynne on the show. I think both are great builds to be honest but I see your point regarding the troopy. I wonder if you'll do something other than a 70 series cruiser next. Regarding Gwynne's idea for a TARDIS like vehicle, what about not trying to live inside the vehicle itself? If you had a roof top tent similar to the campers (James Baroud Explorer Evolution is one example) with an easy to deploy awning room (ARB do one, but not as easy to deploy as an oztent or your shower unit). Just use the vehicle to store things and live around it. Then you could go back down to troopy sized or even to a 76.
You’re an inspiration. I really appreciate your thoughts and analysis. Not only with this video, but with all your videos. But this honest review is so good because it’s quite difficult to get from the people. Thanks!
There lies the dilemma. The heart doing battle with the logic ability of the mind. Logic and numbers say that the 79 should become a better vehicle, but try to convince the heart that the mind is correct, good luck with that. There are times when we must accept the needs of the heart and just run with it. Great episode with many thoughts to consider for a long time.
I had the same issue with rear visibility with a camper. I added a back up camera that uses a rear view mirror shaped monitor. It’s better than the original mirror with nothing in the back of the truck because the field of view is so wide there are no blind spots. It also has a clock, speedo, compass rearward recording camera and a front facing recording camera.
The landcruiser 79 camper is very very impressive, everything is there, what a great great job! Great looks also! But if one compares it to the troopy it is more complicated in daily use.……. Its all a bit too much! The simplicity of the daily use of the troopy appeals to me much much more. Everything you need is there too, to use in seconds, well thought over, all is at hand, and the space inside is a big big big plus!!! You can also sit inside. And: The latest, new and beautiful troopy you made a while ago, for me, is the absolute best daily driver and overland/campervehicle you ever made, I think that’s really your masterpiece Andrew, how I would love to own it!!! (Unfortunialtly I dont have the finances for that.) For me it is the best and the most beautiful overlandvehicle ever made!!! How about that for a compliment!? Jaap Holland, Europe
Yup. The troopy was perfect in terms of looks. The colour had a look to do with it too I reckon. It's my go to colour and look in terms of the car I want.
I have traveled Australia as a single, with partner, family with four kids to now just the wife and I. We all go through different setups due to cost and what works at the time. We've had ground tents, camper trailers and even an offroad caravan. Yoy cant travel Australia with a family of 6 without towing or a big rig. When looking at what works for us as a couple now we went back to the light weight of a camper trailer. This allows us to disconnect at camp and still have an exceptional offroad vehicle for exploring. Our vehicle is a Jeep JKU and a custom built teardrop (squaredrop) camper. It will follow the jeep anyway it goes. It doesn't require canvas to camp but once the kitchen is pulled out and the 270° awning is up boy base camp is easy and grand. #toughtear is our best setup so far. If you don't want to tow then your options lead you down the path you have taken which is such a nice rig.
we're in the middle of our Troopy build now. Had an Alu-Cab conversion done, done some exterior stuff. We came back from the Oombulgurri Track a few weeks ago (with our two Samoyeds) and now we're planning an internal fit out.
For years, this channel was my no 1 favorite UA-cam content, inspiration and source of learning. I got a feeling "the vehicle" subject is stealing all the lights. Anyhow, I'm still hoping to see some more stuff.
You have to understand that it's a new vehicle and that's why it's a point of discussion. And with the limitations they had with traveling bans, content couldn't be the same as always.
If your not in love with it does this mean a new build will be coming in the not so distant future 😎😎 The utes good but big and heavy. Been there and did that when you done your troopy build a few years ago. Now gone back to a wagon, however my needs of the vehicle have changed too. Keeping it light weight without all the fruit is key.
Wow! the last minute is truly deadly and sums up everything I feel about my vehicles. I have three, Defender Puma, Discovery 3, and a Land Rover Santana 109 Super. The three of them have given me great moments, I really like all three, but I'm only in love with the Santana, don´t ask me why… but I do If love is what moves the world, my overland world is moved by my Santana 109 super, my Santanita, although now I use it just to go to the supermarket. Thank you Andrew
Completely understand Andrew. It is possible to like something, but not love it. With regards to towing. Yes.. it is not ideal, but for the majority of people who don't have two cars and just have the one daily driver, I think it makes sense towing a trailer like the ones from Patriot campers or Opus campers. Those aren't your typical large caravans. They are compact and have about the same comfort as the camper on the ute. I especially like the ones from Opus. Press a button and watch it take shape.
We live in Galicia Spain in our troopy since a year and a half now. Galicia is moreless like Scotland weather. It rains a lot. Really much. We cook inside the troopy, we work inside the troopy (sometimes Rosa in the bed reading I me layed down on the couch. We shower inside the Troopy. We use a 600x400x170 plastic box on the floor and a Decathlon courtain hanged on the bed, we have 110x110 shower up high.. with the stationary air heating system On, we shower every 2 days wherever it rains or not comfortably. In your camper you have to cook outside, you have to shower outside, make the morning coffe outside and make the evening soup outside. We know Australia clima is different... But in Europe... We have to make almost everything inside. Cooking outside is simply impossible and most of the time forbidden. We really prefer you beautiful troopy any day.... Magnificent job on your 79 though Andrew. Thanks, sincerely, for this video.
Hi Folks, I've another completely bonkers vehicle you might consider, a Pinzgauer 6x6? Similar length to the 110 LR but a huge amount of space inside. A ridiculously sharp turning circle with a flat floor. Engine a Mercedes Diesel. Currently used by Australian Special Forces so parts available.
The Troopy looks great. The double cab has space and comfort. At certain points in our lives they make sense. For me now with a child, Ute. Troopy will always be “my first love” Great video.
I absolutely love your 79 love that is not a dedicated Canopy Can be easily removed Making her a Daily driver or work horse if someone had space in shed could have dedicated camp canopy and trades man canopy back under strap down of you go. Removing adding for troopy pain in the bum. The Max traxs idea on troopy could easily be attached to canopy doors for less muck arounds. Love your work.
Im from the middle east and id like to request a video on the FJ Cruiser with the advantages, disadvantages, performance and all the extra details you usually include that make your videos so enjoyable and fun to watch!
So true: The Troopy just looks fantastic! Simply to fall in love with :-) But hey, finally it is just a vehicle which helps you to get out where ever you want. And from a psychiatric point of view - let me tell you this - it might be a bit of a problem to be in love with a car ;-)
I am sold on the 79's versatility. I like it over the Troopy. But thats me. I like your style of camping, roughing it, not full trailer. Looks good. Nice video too. Keep up the good work. ✌️🤙😎
In my opinion your old Troopy ticks all the boxes, looks the part as African Overlander. I have a Patrol Pickup 4.2 Diesel, had it from new 2006 which I used for carrying heavy loads. I am now busy converting it into a camper, so my wife and I can go camping across the borders of SA. I have found your video's very helpful in my build, but I want to keep it simple and comfortable and not OTT.
Very informative and eye opening. If the stars align, I would like to see you build a 79 series single cab chassis build with the extra cab that opens[ like a hillux ] and spec it like the 79 camper. It would carry over the double cab advantages and maybe at the size of the troopy.
Congratulations Andrew , and I hear ya , I hear ya and agree with every word - but it’s the 79 man - what a truck - I’m mid build Jeep gladiator with alucab canopy camper , currently Cairns FNQ - cannot thank you enough for the very expensive mistakes I have avoided on 2 seperate builds thru watching and inspired by your films - bring operation light weight to FNQ , would love to see ya on the trail sometime - FYI I get the love affair with Africa I spent nearly 2 years over landing Kenya and Tanzania 20 yrs ago, incredible - but how good is Australia mate :)
@4xoverland Andrew, I installed a rear camera which is not switch on via the reverse gear. It solved a lot of blind spot issues. I recommend one with IR mode for night viewing coupled with a rear light to switch between the two modes.
Both vehicles are absolute wonders (and I confess I have been daydreaming about building my own ute-camper back on an old brazillian F1000 with a beast of an MWM motor). Both vehicles are benchmarks of what an overlanding vehicle is supposed to be in my opinion. BUT I have to agree that the troop carrier looks SO GOOD it's hard to beat. The ute is gorgeous, but the troopy is just... something more.
When Andrew started this build I had an open mind on what he was trying to achieve. But I think ASPW had too many options. I have a ute/canopy at the moment but eventually I will go the troop carrier. I have been sketching a troop carrier with a sliding door on the side to get better access to the stuff behind the driver. I really love your videos you inspire a lot of the things build.
Love the video Andrew as usual. I have my 4XOverand sticker on the back of my camper in the hope you'll one day see it and laugh. It did for me, to the bafflement of my wife and kids.
I just loved this video. Specially your very end 'confession' ! Been following you from year one - I am from RSA. Your work and 'builds' always caught and kept my attention and interest. Not so with the Camper - not that I am any expert whatsoever. To finish, just this, the Camper is NOT (or ever going to be) your finest hour ! That hour is still somewhere in the future or it will remain with the Troopy. The best to you and 4XO. I remain an avid ollower.
I choose a Troopy to go camping/touring with my wife and 5 children because I didn't want to tow. We just got good at choosing light, space saving solutions to our needs.
A couple can caravan with an ensuite 17 ft touring caravan behind a solid Toyota tug. We do it with a Jayco behind an FJ Cruiser and love it. The only thing I would add is a roof top tent for rough side trips.
Guys, it’s about the proportion of the architecture, same as defender, patrol, lc40, lc60... a perfect looking car is the key to a perfect love affair. Functional, um nothing can’t be exchange with timing consuming, but we have plenty on the way there.
I completely get the last minute of this video.
Yes! The last sentence is exactly what my heart say.
That’s been my thoughts right from the first time Andrew said he was taking this path. Practicality is great but it is lacking in soul.
Love our 79 series affectionately called the no flex! We’ve done the 300ml extension which has increased the turning circle but it’s still doable. We have a tong camper on the back of ours which we had fitted out to suit ourselves. The good part like Gwen says is the dual cab giving you storage so you have a place for everything without having to shuffle stuff around as much. We’ve kept weight down by having a 95ltr upright fridge instead of dropdown.we also have a lift up bed with clothes storage underneath plus comfortable seating for 3 with a slide out table so we can get out of the weather if need be. I love watching your videos & adventures, constantly learning new ideas. Thankyou
I agree on the last sentence, but to be fair. This is than more an emotinal than a fact driven Topic.
I have a picture of my 1996 model troopy beside my bed! It's long gone now, but every time I see one i yell out Troopy!! They get under your skin.
As noted, this game is all about compromise. To an American RV’er you guys are backpackers. To many Africans, you have more luxuries in your camper than they own. Luxury is in the eyes of the beholder I guess but the biggest luxury of all is being able to get out there and enjoy some of the most beautiful places on earth. Enjoy the travels.
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RVing in the US is for retired people and boring imo, where Overland Rigs in the US, My weapon of choice is my FZJ80 before that was a 79 Scout II. We have had overlanding a long long time here but it was always just called camping trips in the back country.
I own a bike therefore I am a king 👑
I truly appreciate your honesty in the last minute. You have invested a great deal of time, thought, and effort into building your new rig. And to publicly state that your not in love with it is huge. That is a great display of humility. I love that about you. Just because we have an idea,and then put forth all the effort to bring it to fruition, does not mean that it will become successful in the ways we imagined it would. However, by going down that path, we demonstrate our courage to take chances. THAT my friend....IS ADVENTURE!
We associate vehicles with periods in our life, they remind us of happy times.
So when you see a Troopy, it takes you back to Africa. Same with the Classic Range Rover.
For me it is the 76, fortunately, mine is parked outside. 30 years old but still gorgeous.
I think you’ve nailed it there, even if we don’t even realise it, those good memories will always influence our emotions and take our minds back to good times 👍
@Peter Alan Clark Look after these simply old girls, people think I am nuts driving and old vehicle with not so great fuel consumption.
I just smile an know I don't have to pay a mechanic to fix it. Not sure where you are Peter but in the UK they want at least £70 per hour.
I am pleased I have all my tools and have spent time learning how to fix my LandCruiser.
The David Attenborough of the overlanding world. Nicely done...
yeah you nailed it he is good at what he does
Excellent comment.made me smile
He sounds like David Attenborough as well.
Exactly what I thought !
The troopy was simple. The tourer to me looks over engineered. Sometimes the simplest of things are what we truly adore...
I agree. this build doesn't excite me in the slightest. I haven't even been able to watch these series.
Agree wyith this sentiment but I'm just a simple engineer who likes to keep things simple.
Best Aussie invention is the Plastic bullbar saves lives not just human livestock and wildlife, seen a guy it cattle at 100 kph in his Pajero no damage to the bar whatsoever and the calf ran away after being struck at 100!
Get rid of the mansion on the top.
This THE most honest review I've seen for a vehicle. The last "love-affair" reveal was particularly direct. A very entertaining and revealing review. Congratulations on your new experiences!
Your conclusion summed it all. Your vehicle is a love affair. I can find many reason why my 2012 Jeep JKU with 270k arrive second place to à 4Runner of the same use but yes, for me, it’s the best things. On the topic of family/confort, because I like the base camp concept and because I want my family to be there, I pull a small M101 CDN2 trailer. Is it a pain to install and to break camp, yes, a bit but if I’m alone, I throw the RTT on top of the Jeep and I’m gone. It brings flexibly which for us compensate for the hassle of the trailer setup/breakdown. I really liked that episode.
I'm sure that the dual cab is more practical, but IMO it doesn't have the same cool factor that the troopie does. It's an uncanny phenomenon where aiming for a more "ultimate" version actually makes the final product less likeable in some respects. The troopie as an inherent design is one of the all-time greats.
Your last comment after seeing the Troopy one year later says it all. You still love the Troopy. So do I.
Thank you Andrew and Gwynn for this fair and impartial review. I drive my JKU with a RTT around Switzerland and I love it. I got that taste for 4x4 camping because of you two. Thank you for that!
I think Gwynn nailed it within the first minute, when she said (to paraphrase) "It's a beast that needs wrestling into submission".
To me, it's like comparing a pocket calculator to a laptop computer.
If you only NEED a calculator, everything about a laptop is going to be an extra burden.
If, OTOH, you make reasonable use of a laptop, it's VASTLY more capable than a calculator.
Massive respect for being able to discuss this in a relatively objective manner, questioning the decisions and choices you've made, without allowing your ego to assert that everything about this vehicle is perfect.
Maybe the real lesson, here, is not to underestimate the importance of "gut feeling"?
You've previously made video's which demonstrate how to list priorities objectively.
Maybe it's okay to put, right at the top of the list, something like "MUST be based on a Troopy", and then the rest of the build will be contingent on that?
I'm thinking, what you really want is to take a 79 dual-cab (possibly with the extended wheelbase), graft the rear shell of a Troopy onto it and then fit a pop-top to the roof.
Or, that might be a bit simpler if you used a LR Defender 130 as the base vehicle.
Go on. You know you want to. ;-)
What I like about him is that he is very honest about everything.
Great video, as usual! Troopy has also the extra feature of providing an in-house living room and kitchen, I think that's quite nice.
Dude I love how honest you are!! Look that troopy was stunning, very hard to find another vehicle that looks as cool as that thing!!! But when you take the camper off and you are carrying stuff back from IKEA or Bunnings like an absolute boss you will be grinning from ear to ear!!
So honest and fair.
Well said at the end! I see all these massive 79s online, Ram, supertourers and get very excited! Then I go out, look at my 75 series troopcarrier and realise that I would never swap for any of those rigs. It’s a love affair, that’s it
Good man, well said. Same here....Can't beat an old 75 !
I love your conclusion. You can have all the head stuff sorted out. But at the end of the day what your heart says means a lot.
I love your videos even more ever since your wife decided to join!!! She's adorable!
Agreed
Modifications are dependent in which state you reside. Eg Andrew reside in WA, if he ventured to NSW, the police must likely would defect the vehicle and force it to be re-engineered to nsw standards. Fit this reason, is not worth the time and money to commit to such ideas
Excellent debate and conclusion. We’ve struggled with the same issues and made comfort compromises. But we refuse to tow a trailer because it will limit our route and destination options.
"We refuse to tow a trailer because it will limit our route and destination options." Thank you. So many people just don't get this!
Andrew, nothing like the Troopy!! I have one in Colombia and nothing comes even close! Cheers!
"got to slap her around a bit" 😂😂😂 Gwynn, you are the absolute best, please adopt me 😁
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And Andrew having an involuntary giggle whilst filming!
I’ve never owned a troopie, hell the only vehicle I’ve owned is my dad’s old hand me down Nivara, which I’ve loved using for the last couple of years to introduce my wife to camping (she lives it now), and the vehicle’s dying. Can’t afford a new one. You’re new vehicle looks like heaven. It’s all perspective, and I understand the love and feeling of a vehicle, but from what I’ve seen you’ve done an amazing job. It’s an inspiration to so many people 👍😊
Love both vehicles...
No need to choose. Keep em both 👍
there is no doubt about it Sir, you have the knack of hitting the nail on the head👍. Thank you
You nailed it Gywnn!
I'd rather lose my will-to-live than Tow something!
Great honest review Andrew and Gywnn. The only way you'll be 100% happy is with a full custom canopy bolted to the chassis, so much lighter, stream lined, lower to the ground and with all your personal touches.
Marty from Perth
Your last comment in the video gave me goosebumps... Great video as always!
A really wonderful video Andrew and Gwynn, tugging at the heart strings at the right moment 👍🏻
Andrew and Gwyn, I believe you made the perfect choice. I used to drive a Jeep CJ7, then a Jeep TJ. I even lived out of the TJ when I lost my job and was homeless for several months. I slept in that tiny soft top Jeep at 7,000 feet in the winter in Flagstaff, Arizona with my do Jedda. It was a monster off road with BF Goodrich All Terrains in 33x9.50/15!
But, for camping it was way tiny! I then sold it and got an FJ Crusier. Love the FJC and enjoy driving it! This summer we got a brand new Tacoma crew cab with the intention of turning it into a similar idea as what you have. It's not very big, but I believe it will be perfect for camping and traveling around the USA and Canada. The FJC will remain used for shorter trips.
I am also converting a school bus into an RV for very long trips that focus more on visiting family and long stays-we may even live out of it. Still, that will have a trailer to bring along either the FJC or the Tacoma.
If you're interested, you can find the build on my channel.
Regardless, thank you for yet another educational, enjoyable video! I hope one day my wife and I can share a camp with you both! We would love to have some great conversation!
Great honest review of the two vehicles, personally I can not go past the Carry me camper. We have owned one for 11 years and travelled all over the country, canning stock route, Simpson etc. Just ordered the new hard lid from Jackson’s it looks brilliant. All you have in your vehicles without the build process. Take it off and you have your daily driver and no towing unless you want to tow a boat!
Your wife has a very valid point to removing the rear seats for more storage. We always use the rear for the dogs and for extra storage, seats take a lot of room taking them out makes a huge difference. Love watching your videos. Hi, from Colorado U.S.A.
Had the privilege to see both your cars, and of my recent in the show the other week. What I love was your electric setup, it was a masterpiece. What I hated, was you whole canopy/ camper is open. So from the outside you can see your bed, drawers and everything inside. I guarantee you will hate that over time as you will get dust everywhere up north. You couldn’t put smelly clothes, oils, fuel etc inside as you be breathing it all night. Poor design by Tommy on that.
It looks cool, but in my opinion not as practical as you think. Would love to show you my defender and camper setup (I am in Perth) and be cool to do a video on pro’s and con.
Anyway love the videos!
I enjoyed the honesty in this one. Every time we do a trip in my Troopy I wonder if I should have bought something else, bought a trailer instead, etc, etc. Then I realise I just love the Troopy, so I’ll put up with its disadvantages and enjoy its (still many) advantages.
I've been watching your videos on and off for a couple of years now, but this episode made me subscribed. I've just started appreciating your content. And once I did, I realised, it's actually brilliant. Sure, sometimes you do go on rants (It's what turned me off in the past), but for the most part, you seem to always provide an honest and balanced point of view. And that I like. Someone already mentioned it in the comments here, "The David Attenborough of the overlanding world", and I totally agree with that. Thanks for your work. 👏
I own an 80 series that I am busy kitting out for overlanding and love it but I have to admit, yesterday I had a troopy drive past me while I was waiting at the lights and it winked at me. :-)
Stick with the 80. It’s overland royalty
Andrews soothing tones talking about 4wd modifications took me off to sleep nicely
It is that feeling that makes it special indeed. The Troopy looks like a Swan, beautifully balanced!
I loved the troopy and it was really cool. But the dream tourer has a lot of advantages over the troopy - such as storage, room to live comfortably and room for gear. Just weight has to be monitored, but that’s no big deal though. I would rather use the tourer especially if I’d travel with my significant other; the troopy would be too cramped.
I absolutely loved this video and as one mentioned already, your honesty in which you like more is commendable. The difference is there… but it’s really up to each individuals purpose in what they intend to do with the vehicle and what they’re willing to put up with. I personally love the trooper. The way you have it set up is marvelous! Even the color is perfect. In fact, if you were to give that away or sell it (if I could afford it, which I probably couldn’t) I’d be first in line. I think she’s gorgeous. I’m drooling now…. lol. Anyway, looking forward to more videos. Keep them up and good work!
Andrew, your last words just said it. It's not a troopy!
But, your 79 build is still a great vehicle and in my opinion the right choice for you two at the moment. In Australia you have plenty of space and on the road and in the bush the plus size doesn't matter that much. Yes, the troopy is more beautiful but remember it was your second one and you made it "perfect" and you made incredible memories with it. as well. I just have all those stunnnig shots from your Canning Stock Route with Paul in my mind...
We are currently starting our "dream troopy" build here in Germany. And we had lots of discussions because we loved the easy access of a 4 door 79 DC but after all the disscussions we came back to the troopy! It's just a "feeling" and for e.g. a world trip it's just the perfect size! This will be our second troopy as well. The first one was a 1HZ the new one is a brand new GRJ Petrol. Unfortunately the VDJ isn't availabe here and I guess with more regulations to come it'll never be an option. Still our GRJ will turn out great! Thanks to your many thoughts you shared with us... The BP51 are already on their way!
6:50 Nissan triton, my favourite ute
Haha
Glad to see I am not the only one...
@@big5astra What? Nissan bought a Triton?
I noticed that as well. Surprised though, Andrew didn’t catch it while editing or he didn’t bother to correct it :)
Nissan triton...because who cares ? it’s not a Toyota
Great review. Always a hard decision on what is best. I spent lockdown in SA restoring an 1990 Syncro. Just been on a 4000km trip from Cape Town to Kruger and back. Some little issues to resolve.
I am so envious of you and to have a problem like a choice between the two of them would make my day every day 👍🏻👍🏻 Another great video thanks 🙏 looking forward to the next one from 🇮🇪☘️
I can only imagine the looks one of these would get cutting around the Wild Atlantic Way, maybe one day I'll ship it back. It's a shame they were never available over there.
Love that you are so honest. There is definitely just something about Troopy’s!
The cinematic quality of you and Gwynn by the campfire is outstanding. Adds much ambiance to the narrative. Well done Andrew and Gwynn
Gwen presence adds quite a lot to the videos. I enjoy watching Andrew but two is somehow better in my view :)
Me and my wife do overlanding in my 2 door Jeep Wrangler. I LOVE MY JEEP! We camp in a Oztrail 2.4 x 2.4 tent. We heat water and wash out of a basin. Compare bushwalking to Overlanding in a 2 door Jeep and its like moving from a 1 room flat to a mansion. I LOVE MY JEEP! and yes we are grey nomads.
These two are truly made for each other. Loved this video!
Where has Gwenn been all my life? She spices up the conversation
Gwynn and Andrew, great commentary from you both - you are a real team!
Congratulations on your build. Perfect for someone who wants to go camping on the weekends, but still go to work in the same car on Monday.
Even though we can’t get either in the state the video was very interesting. Damn forbidden fruit! I have agree with Dest Droid about the last minute.
I love your way of thinking, getting stuck is half the fun :)
Great Video Andrew!! Always great to have Gwynne on the show. I think both are great builds to be honest but I see your point regarding the troopy. I wonder if you'll do something other than a 70 series cruiser next.
Regarding Gwynne's idea for a TARDIS like vehicle, what about not trying to live inside the vehicle itself? If you had a roof top tent similar to the campers (James Baroud Explorer Evolution is one example) with an easy to deploy awning room (ARB do one, but not as easy to deploy as an oztent or your shower unit). Just use the vehicle to store things and live around it. Then you could go back down to troopy sized or even to a 76.
You’re an inspiration. I really appreciate your thoughts and analysis.
Not only with this video, but with all your videos.
But this honest review is so good because it’s quite difficult to get from the people.
Thanks!
hahaha "i'd rather give up the will to live" than to tow a caravan. haha love it.
There lies the dilemma. The heart doing battle with the logic ability of the mind. Logic and numbers say that the 79 should become a better vehicle, but try to convince the heart that the mind is correct, good luck with that. There are times when we must accept the needs of the heart and just run with it. Great episode with many thoughts to consider for a long time.
That last comment is so true.
If you don't turn your head walking away from your car, take you have the wrong one.
I had the same issue with rear visibility with a camper.
I added a back up camera that uses a rear view mirror shaped monitor. It’s better than the original mirror with nothing in the back of the truck because the field of view is so wide there are no blind spots.
It also has a clock, speedo, compass rearward recording camera and a front facing recording camera.
They are both Toyota & very nice vehicles - don't see many of these in Canada
The landcruiser 79 camper is very very impressive, everything is there, what a great great job! Great looks also! But if one compares it to the troopy it is more complicated in daily use.……. Its all a bit too much! The simplicity of the daily use of the troopy appeals to me much much more. Everything you need is there too, to use in seconds, well thought over, all is at hand, and the space inside is a big big big plus!!! You can also sit inside. And: The latest, new and beautiful troopy you made a while ago, for me, is the absolute best daily driver and overland/campervehicle you ever made, I think that’s really your masterpiece Andrew, how I would love to own it!!! (Unfortunialtly I dont have the finances for that.) For me it is the best and the most beautiful overlandvehicle ever made!!! How about that for a compliment!?
Jaap
Holland, Europe
Yup. The troopy was perfect in terms of looks. The colour had a look to do with it too I reckon. It's my go to colour and look in terms of the car I want.
The honesty is amazing... Andrew is NOT leaving the 70 series anytime soon...
I have traveled Australia as a single, with partner, family with four kids to now just the wife and I. We all go through different setups due to cost and what works at the time. We've had ground tents, camper trailers and even an offroad caravan. Yoy cant travel Australia with a family of 6 without towing or a big rig.
When looking at what works for us as a couple now we went back to the light weight of a camper trailer. This allows us to disconnect at camp and still have an exceptional offroad vehicle for exploring. Our vehicle is a Jeep JKU and a custom built teardrop (squaredrop) camper. It will follow the jeep anyway it goes. It doesn't require canvas to camp but once the kitchen is pulled out and the 270° awning is up boy base camp is easy and grand. #toughtear is our best setup so far. If you don't want to tow then your options lead you down the path you have taken which is such a nice rig.
we're in the middle of our Troopy build now. Had an Alu-Cab conversion done, done some exterior stuff. We came back from the Oombulgurri Track a few weeks ago (with our two Samoyeds) and now we're planning an internal fit out.
For years, this channel was my no 1 favorite UA-cam content, inspiration and source of learning.
I got a feeling "the vehicle" subject is stealing all the lights.
Anyhow, I'm still hoping to see some more stuff.
You have to understand that it's a new vehicle and that's why it's a point of discussion. And with the limitations they had with traveling bans, content couldn't be the same as always.
The Troopy was your first Aussie vehicle and represented a new start; a new adventure. That’s why it holds a place in your heart.
If your not in love with it does this mean a new build will be coming in the not so distant future 😎😎
The utes good but big and heavy. Been there and did that when you done your troopy build a few years ago. Now gone back to a wagon, however my needs of the vehicle have changed too.
Keeping it light weight without all the fruit is key.
Wow! the last minute is truly deadly and sums up everything I feel about my vehicles. I have three, Defender Puma, Discovery 3, and a Land Rover Santana 109 Super. The three of them have given me great moments, I really like all three, but I'm only in love with the Santana, don´t ask me why… but I do If love is what moves the world, my overland world is moved by my Santana 109 super, my Santanita, although now I use it just to go to the supermarket.
Thank you Andrew
Love the shots. And if you're like me, all those faults you mentioned about the troopy is exactly why you love it more too!
Completely understand Andrew. It is possible to like something, but not love it.
With regards to towing. Yes.. it is not ideal, but for the majority of people who don't have two cars and just have the one daily driver, I think it makes sense towing a trailer like the ones from Patriot campers or Opus campers. Those aren't your typical large caravans. They are compact and have about the same comfort as the camper on the ute. I especially like the ones from Opus. Press a button and watch it take shape.
We live in Galicia Spain in our troopy since a year and a half now. Galicia is moreless like Scotland weather. It rains a lot. Really much.
We cook inside the troopy, we work inside the troopy (sometimes Rosa in the bed reading I me layed down on the couch.
We shower inside the Troopy. We use a 600x400x170 plastic box on the floor and a Decathlon courtain hanged on the bed, we have 110x110 shower up high.. with the stationary air heating system On, we shower every 2 days wherever it rains or not comfortably.
In your camper you have to cook outside, you have to shower outside, make the morning coffe outside and make the evening soup outside. We know Australia clima is different... But in Europe... We have to make almost everything inside. Cooking outside is simply impossible and most of the time forbidden.
We really prefer you beautiful troopy any day.... Magnificent job on your 79 though Andrew.
Thanks, sincerely, for this video.
Hi Folks, I've another completely bonkers vehicle you might consider, a Pinzgauer 6x6?
Similar length to the 110 LR but a huge amount of space inside. A ridiculously sharp turning circle with a flat floor. Engine a Mercedes Diesel. Currently used by Australian Special Forces so parts available.
The Troopy looks great. The double cab has space and comfort. At certain points in our lives they make sense. For me now with a child, Ute. Troopy will always be “my first love” Great video.
Have to agree once you’ve owned a Troop Carrier is a love affair for life.
I absolutely love your 79 love that is not a dedicated Canopy Can be easily removed Making her a Daily driver or work horse if someone had space in shed could have dedicated camp canopy and trades man canopy back under strap down of you go. Removing adding for troopy pain in the bum. The Max traxs idea on troopy could easily be attached to canopy doors for less muck arounds. Love your work.
I wanted your Troopy in a way! I loved the color, the steel wheels, the works. If we had them in the US it would have a twin!
Im from the middle east and id like to request a video on the FJ Cruiser with the advantages, disadvantages, performance and all the extra details you usually include that make your videos so enjoyable and fun to watch!
They both look great, I had a soft spot for the Troopy!
At the end of the day it’s the personal relationship you create that answers the question.
So true: The Troopy just looks fantastic! Simply to fall in love with :-)
But hey, finally it is just a vehicle which helps you to get out where ever you want. And from a psychiatric point of view - let me tell you this - it might be a bit of a problem to be in love with a car ;-)
I am sold on the 79's versatility. I like it over the Troopy. But thats me. I like your style of camping, roughing it, not full trailer. Looks good. Nice video too. Keep up the good work. ✌️🤙😎
In my opinion your old Troopy ticks all the boxes, looks the part as African Overlander. I have a Patrol Pickup 4.2 Diesel, had it from new 2006 which I used for carrying heavy loads. I am now busy converting it into a camper, so my wife and I can go camping across the borders of SA. I have found your video's very helpful in my build, but I want to keep it simple and comfortable and not OTT.
Very informative and eye opening. If the stars align, I would like to see you build a 79 series single cab chassis build with the extra cab that opens[ like a hillux ] and spec it like the 79 camper. It would carry over the double cab advantages and maybe at the size of the troopy.
Photoshop it the same colour green as the Troopy then look at it often for a few days / mull it over ! it might tempt you to fall in love ;-)
Congratulations Andrew , and I hear ya , I hear ya and agree with every word - but it’s the 79 man - what a truck - I’m mid build Jeep gladiator with alucab canopy camper , currently Cairns FNQ - cannot thank you enough for the very expensive mistakes I have avoided on 2 seperate builds thru watching and inspired by your films - bring operation light weight to FNQ , would love to see ya on the trail sometime - FYI I get the love affair with Africa I spent nearly 2 years over landing Kenya and Tanzania 20 yrs ago, incredible - but how good is Australia mate :)
@4xoverland Andrew, I installed a rear camera which is not switch on via the reverse gear. It solved a lot of blind spot issues. I recommend one with IR mode for night viewing coupled with a rear light to switch between the two modes.
Awesome video and answered the questions I had. Awesome setups and quite enjoying your videos. Keep up the good work.
Love your conclusion! Had tears in my eyes! Love the troopy so much!!!
“ It’s a bit of a beast that needs to be slapped around and man handled “ I’m still laughing 😂 . Oh she’s a funny one lol .
loved the sincere conclusion Andrew. I see it very clear.
" 9:12...I am learning it" when I heard that I was reminded of somebody saying Andrew is the Richard Attenborough of 4x4.
Both vehicles are absolute wonders (and I confess I have been daydreaming about building my own ute-camper back on an old brazillian F1000 with a beast of an MWM motor). Both vehicles are benchmarks of what an overlanding vehicle is supposed to be in my opinion.
BUT I have to agree that the troop carrier looks SO GOOD it's hard to beat. The ute is gorgeous, but the troopy is just... something more.
When Andrew started this build I had an open mind on what he was trying to achieve. But I think ASPW had too many options. I have a ute/canopy at the moment but eventually I will go the troop carrier. I have been sketching a troop carrier with a sliding door on the side to get better access to the stuff behind the driver. I really love your videos you inspire a lot of the things build.
My vote is for the double cab and camper combo.
Love the video Andrew as usual. I have my 4XOverand sticker on the back of my camper in the hope you'll one day see it and laugh. It did for me, to the bafflement of my wife and kids.
One of the best doors I,ve seen for engineering economics was a 5 ton IH quad cab with rear passenger doors exactly the same as the front.
I just loved this video. Specially your very end 'confession' ! Been following you from year one - I am from RSA. Your work and 'builds' always caught and kept my attention and interest. Not so with the Camper - not that I am any expert whatsoever.
To finish, just this, the Camper is NOT (or ever going to be) your finest hour ! That hour is still somewhere in the future or it will remain with the Troopy. The best to you and 4XO. I remain an avid ollower.
Well said
I choose a Troopy to go camping/touring with my wife and 5 children because I didn't want to tow.
We just got good at choosing light, space saving solutions to our needs.
A couple can caravan with an ensuite 17 ft touring caravan behind a solid Toyota tug. We do it with a Jayco behind an FJ Cruiser and love it. The only thing I would add is a roof top tent for rough side trips.
Guys, it’s about the proportion of the architecture, same as defender, patrol, lc40, lc60... a perfect looking car is the key to a perfect love affair. Functional, um nothing can’t be exchange with timing consuming, but we have plenty on the way there.