I forgot to thank you for an excellent video. There are so many drone videos (HS2 ones on YT in particular) that give insufficient diagrams and map information, plans, etc. Your video does that perfectly, well done!
While it's sad that this fine old bridge will be mostly demolished, I'm guessing it's not particularly unique. And the Victorians who built it, wouldn't have thought twice about replacing it in the name of progress.
Excellent and informative as always. Can't help thinking the option selection has been steered towards taking the opportunity to improve the highway layout at TRU's cost. I can't see that the road can remain open to road traffic while they rebuild the part of the structure being retained for the chose option, so unclear how road closure time could be used to rule out the option of raising the height of the existing bridge deck above rail level which could have retained more of the bridge structure. As others have commented, it's just a small illustration of the difficult financial and practical decision making process when making large alterations to existing railways - and no less disruptive to the neighbours.
This highlights, for good or bad, the HS2 line. The national railway infrastructure is tied to the Victorian designs and builders of many of the bridges, tunnels and the routes taken by the lines, which in turn had an impact on the British loading gauge and there being no way to increase it to the benefit of the train companies and the passengers and freight trains on those lines. No such constraints in Germany or France after WWII given the widespread destruction of railway operations; they had a clean slate on which to rebuild and expand their respective networks, with the eventual TGV and ICE at the forefront.
I was here today doing a ground survey on another bridge further towards Huddersfield close to Deighton station I think the Bridge number was 02 at 28 mile post on the MVL3 in the Down Cess. we were digging to find the foundations of that Bridge because they need to lower the track there I was told
There's another bridge which will also be demolished and rebuilt closer to Huddersfield which connects to the greenway. I know it as Wheatley colliery Bridge. I've recorded a video already will come out in a few weeks. From what I remember reading tho that wasn't going to to have the track lowered maps.app.goo.gl/pFtLxU2vR9C35Pc97
@@i_and_g_adventures We had a team on the BBW close to Bradley Junction looking for a bridge foundation there, Iv done loads of ground surveys on this section. They even want to know what the ground is like 30 meters underground, We have been bring on huge drilling rigs.
What's the point in something being listed, if it gets demolished anyway. Seems to be the plan on any historic building these day's, just getting stuff demolished. My brother's house is grade II listed and can't even chop tree down in back garden.
As someone who travels the route a new wider bridge is the better idea as by today’s standards the bridge is very narrow and is a major route to the motorway.
I was thinking in my mind if u want to keep the bridge and the stone work take all the bridge down. Sell the bridge to a preservation society that will buy the the whole bridge and rebuild it again and put it on the east Lancashire line ,
Listed building consent (and planning consent) will be required but you did not mention that. Has it been obtained? The point being that the solution will not be implemented unless local councillors approve and that there is no objection from English Heritage. That last is key.
It really frustrates me when something like this happens. Just goes to show how much of the norm this has become, by not giving any proper forethoughts, you end up having destroy a grand old structure.
@@joecurly3637 You can only see it briefly from a train, you only get to see the walls from the road. Many of these bridges have bitten the dust to make the railway a better place. (I love architecture myself, but a line has to be drawn.)
I forgot to thank you for an excellent video. There are so many drone videos (HS2 ones on YT in particular) that give insufficient diagrams and map information, plans, etc. Your video does that perfectly, well done!
Thanks, I tried to aim for videos that I'd like to watch. It's quite easy to send a drone up with little explanation or research
While it's sad that this fine old bridge will be mostly demolished, I'm guessing it's not particularly unique. And the Victorians who built it, wouldn't have thought twice about replacing it in the name of progress.
Yep true, just a shame that the new bridge will be functional and little reflection of the current bridge
@i_and_g_adventures I understand that people want a pretty bridge to look at, the problem is that no one is willing to pay for that
Excellent and informative as always. Can't help thinking the option selection has been steered towards taking the opportunity to improve the highway layout at TRU's cost. I can't see that the road can remain open to road traffic while they rebuild the part of the structure being retained for the chose option, so unclear how road closure time could be used to rule out the option of raising the height of the existing bridge deck above rail level which could have retained more of the bridge structure.
As others have commented, it's just a small illustration of the difficult financial and practical decision making process when making large alterations to existing railways - and no less disruptive to the neighbours.
Perhaps the road will be reduced to one lane while the reconstruction takes place, so leaves the road open but still cause traffic disruption
I’ve been wondering what might happen with this bridge for some time.
This highlights, for good or bad, the HS2 line. The national railway infrastructure is tied to the Victorian designs and builders of many of the bridges, tunnels and the routes taken by the lines, which in turn had an impact on the British loading gauge and there being no way to increase it to the benefit of the train companies and the passengers and freight trains on those lines. No such constraints in Germany or France after WWII given the widespread destruction of railway operations; they had a clean slate on which to rebuild and expand their respective networks, with the eventual TGV and ICE at the forefront.
That's something I'd not thought of before
I was here today doing a ground survey on another bridge further towards Huddersfield close to Deighton station I think the Bridge number was 02 at 28 mile post on the MVL3 in the Down Cess. we were digging to find the foundations of that Bridge because they need to lower the track there I was told
There's another bridge which will also be demolished and rebuilt closer to Huddersfield which connects to the greenway. I know it as Wheatley colliery Bridge. I've recorded a video already will come out in a few weeks. From what I remember reading tho that wasn't going to to have the track lowered maps.app.goo.gl/pFtLxU2vR9C35Pc97
@@i_and_g_adventures We had a team on the BBW close to Bradley Junction looking for a bridge foundation there, Iv done loads of ground surveys on this section. They even want to know what the ground is like 30 meters underground, We have been bring on huge drilling rigs.
Thanks, I'll keep an eye on what happens
What's the point in something being listed, if it gets demolished anyway. Seems to be the plan on any historic building these day's, just getting stuff demolished. My brother's house is grade II listed and can't even chop tree down in back garden.
Fair point
As someone who travels the route a new wider bridge is the better idea as by today’s standards the bridge is very narrow and is a major route to the motorway.
I was thinking in my mind if u want to keep the bridge and the stone work take all the bridge down. Sell the bridge to a preservation society that will buy the the whole bridge and rebuild it again and put it on the east Lancashire line ,
Yep that's an option. Although could be quite costly for a charity organisation which often don't have much money
Network Rail will be constrained by time as it is a busy road. They won’t have that time to dismantle stone by stone in that manner.
Listed building consent (and planning consent) will be required but you did not mention that. Has it been obtained? The point being that the solution will not be implemented unless local councillors approve and that there is no objection from English Heritage. That last is key.
All required approvals have been obtained for the route changes. So my error!
A rather unfortunate loss but I think both Rail and Road traffic will benefit from this New Bridge Project.
Yes the road layout will be improved with the wider road and loss of the hump
It really frustrates me when something like this happens. Just goes to show how much of the norm this has become, by not giving any proper forethoughts, you end up having destroy a grand old structure.
Yep, bit of history to be destroyed!
Do we want a modern efficient railway or one thats mired in nostalgia?
Who should have given forethought, and when?
I'm not a frequent mainline user, and nor do I know whenabouts the bridge was listed, but it will be a shame to see it go.
@@joecurly3637 You can only see it briefly from a train, you only get to see the walls from the road. Many of these bridges have bitten the dust to make the railway a better place. (I love architecture myself, but a line has to be drawn.)
In its time it was good .. but now it is surrounded by sheds and traffic jams…build a wide new bridge… better for cars and trains ….
70 to 100 mph is not fast