@@rolandaskvsat No, it’s not. A podcast is audio only. These sessions are obviously videotaped at the outset so they aren’t podcasts when shown here they are videos and resolution matters in videos.
It's funny to listen to this right after Suzuki announced an all new engine that will be going in to multiple new platforms in 2024 (after you all recorded obviously). They must have heard you at HQ
You guys talking about different capacities in Super Sport got me thinking. Why don't the Japanese 4 so what the Italians so and build "cheater" litre bikes? Think GSXR1100r, ZX11 and what not. Would also help meet emmisions standards too.
You get 80% charge in cars in about 30mn sometimes. That's for a huge battery! For motorcycles should be at least the same time. I take frequent stops for coffee/water/beer so that's nothing. Strong motors, low maintenance, electric has everything in its favour. It just needs to get a bit cheaper
@@pedropereira5043 My idea is both EVs and ICEs. We can take EVs for commutes and what not. ICEs for weekend rides and long tours. We don't need to ban ICEs.
At the end of the day,who cares how old the tech is,as long as they're putting out reliable motorcycles. For the price,I'd rather pay $18,000 on the latest Gsxs 1000 than spend $35 to $40,000 on the latest European motorcycle,that all you hear about is how unreliable they are for a start. I'll stick with my proven gizzer engines...bandit and gizzis
Zack and Ari took an old GSXR1000 (aka Dave) and kicked Ducati’s flagship to the curb. Maybe, as pointed out, Suzuki found the magic formula. If it ain’t broke, why change it. As for electric, battery technology and cross country infrastructure to support it does not exist. So until the support system exists, they will be the occasional oddity usually found around larger population centers.
Yeah, but after Dave the gixxer (the K5), there was nothing notable in Suzuki's offering. Another bike people loved (I had one) was the DRZ-400. I say loved because in Europe they're long gone. Many people, myself included, would love to see a modern DRZ... Suzuki is sleeping.
I've been life long Suzuki customer. Many RM125 in my early years. Many gsxr 750,1000 machines. All my bikes have been incredible and reliable. It's such a shame there not doing well. They need to tweak the business model. I would be extremely disappointed if they went under
One hit Suzuki took down under this year, was the discontinuation of the DR650, their best selling bike, and one of the best selling adventure bikes in Australia.
I actually have a hard time seeing hybrid motorcycle technology taking off... I mean what benefits does an electric motorcycle have over a gasoline motorcycle? Efficiency around town and simplicity of maintenance, that's pretty much it? And the downsides are weight, cost, range? Now you're talking about cramming a gas engine *and* a battery and electric motor in a bike? So now it's likely to be more expensive than a gas equivalent, *more* complicated maintenance, just as heavy or heavier, more expensive, and what you get out of it is... maybe a little bit more range (thinking touring range here, city range isn't an issue for just about anybody on a motorcycle, so a much longer range there doesn't really count for much)? Honestly a hybrid motorcycle sounds like the worst of both worlds to me, not the best of either.
I usually listen to this via podcast in the car but had to come here and thumbs up and give you guys props for stepping up the thumbnail game. Very nice!
They properly waiting the perfect time to steal some tech from someonelse XD. back in the day of 2 strokes, i heard a interesting story. Suzuki wasnt doing well soo they made a deal with the MZ motorcycle main rider to provide them with the 2 stroke tech made by an German engineer Walter Kaaden in east Germany
Hi, Hello from Mexico City. These are my 5 cents, you need to go back to see the whole picture, not just for bikes, you need to see Suzuki industry as a whole, cars, marine equipment and bikes, so on recent years Suzuki has not had a good reception on both sides, even though they have really good products. So a year ago due to pandemic the industry show us how fragile is economy, so Suzuki had no option other than sell a part of the company to Toyota, who also has an important share investment with Yamaha, so that answer Us one of many questions and it is why to have 2 companies running high expenses on the same category? Just keep the brand most relevant and the one who has more success. We know Toyota are experts on managing companies, just take a look and see how at Subaru are regaining on market where the company was left a few years ago.
The pacing and enjoyment of this podcast is severely slowed by the consistent need to dumb down topics and explain the least important details. We’re listening because we’re motorcycle people. We know what things like Suzuka and ride by wire throttle are. Even for people that don’t, these aren’t the key issues in the conversation. It’s drags the conversation down and is a little insulting to listeners; suggesting they can’t follow along without every single bit of terminology being defined first.
Building EVs in my mind could not be a good decision. It is a tiny market and one that is being divided into tiny parts of that market through competition. I think that the manufacturing tooling cost alone will out weigh any profits gained.
Apart from the lack of infrastructure, here in NZ and from what I've observed internationally who could afford to use EVs with the ever increasing cost of power? Add to the fact they're all characterless, heavy, distance restricted and just plain boring I know I would never own one. Riding old technology is an experience, to a greater or lesser degree, EVs are just a mode of transport or a convenience, soul-less automations devoid and remote from input and consequent feedback.
There really is no need to explain throttle by wire to your listeners. Any who have been awake the last 20 years are well aware of this. No need to waste time treating your listeners like 5th graders.
It would be interesting to see a HS/LS edition that discusses the differences around the world in regard to two-wheeled vehicles. We often talk about the use of small motorcycles for transportation in Taiwan, India, etc., and bemoan the lack thereof in North America and to a large degree also Europe, but forget one of the main reasons: climate. In much of India, Taiwan, and Southeast Asia in general, their climate allows year-round riding without much inconvenience. In most of Canada and at least half of the US, you simply can’t ride a two-wheel vehicle reliably all year around. Even if you are willing to buy the gear required to ride at sub-freezing temperatures, the dangers of ice and snow on the roads are not easily mitigated.
I think it also comes down to size. Small bikes work for small places. North America has large expansive highways with decent high speed roads that make large bikes that can take advantage of higher speeds. I rented bikes all over Asia and can't imagine going 80+ mph for long periods of time anywhere.
@@ninjaguysith True. However, that is a factory mainly outside the cities and even the cities in North America have few two-wheeled vehicles compared to cities in Asia and India.
Why does Suzuki investing in being more sustainable automatically mean eBikes? It's more likely to mean manufacturing in more sustainable ways than producing electric motorcycles.
Suzuki does not have a factory team in Supercross and Motocross. They support HEP Suzuki, formerly a smaller team with B list riders. Their bikes are the only ones without electric start, something all other manufacturers embraced years ago. It breaks my heart because some of my favorite bikes have been Suzuki’s over the years (SV 650, DRZ 400, DR 650, and many RMs).
Suzuki VVT trickled down from moto GP. My 18 gsxr 1000R is incredible. What have other manufacturers done. I test drove a R1 and CBR 1000. I absolutely loved the gsxr before buying it. So much power everywhere in the rev range. It felt like a faster more comfortable bike in 2019
The crazy thing about suzuki is... They already made such good bikes it's hard to beat them. The drz400s is unchallenged in its power weight maintenance range. The v strom is too reliable also.
Suzuki gets criticized for not releasing new versions when they are reliable and you have KTM Advs having a reputation as “Its great when its not at dealer for mystical electric problems or its great when it starts” I rode to the Arctic this summer on reliable Suzuki that had NO issues. Thanks Mr Suzuki for building a Reliable bike😆
Slow death for Suzuki in the US, yeah. The company itself is doing fine. They just don’t want to spend any real money building big bikes (250+cc) when they know they won’t sell. The exception being ADV bikes and and middleweight nakeds. They know they can sell tons of these (not necessarily in the US…) so they’ll make that
They made the Suzuki kizashi, which was an excellent car, basically the good parts of a BMW 3 series and a Honda Civic in one. Nobody bought it though and they went bust. Marketing good products is hard. Junk sells better. Suzuki bikes are so hit and miss I can't understand why Suzuki dr's sold so well, so heavy, terrible carb setup, and not even particularly durable. Again, junk sells well.
can i just say as a young, brokeish, brown girl from south east asia, aka the antithesis to y'alls demographic - no one gives a shit about suzuki here either. it's downright weird to still see one that isn't a bergman, and they don't even really have any new or interesting offerings in the small displacement classes we love here. it's aaaaall yamaha, honda, KTM and bajaj. yamaha is the most exciting of the four by some significant margin and all the kids have one (although honda has plenty of loyal multi-generational fans keeping them in hot contention, my dad rode one etc etc). that being said, work trucks, vans, small hatchbacks (the swift), and plenty of ships docked in our island port city are all WAY more likely to have suzuki logos on them. i genuinely see more old 2 stroke suzuki scooters pootling around than i do new suzuki motorcycles of any class.
Thanks. Interesting comment as I am in Canada. What do people think in south east Asia of the Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen/Vitpilen motorbikes? They have the same engine as the KTM 390 Duke.
@@yamahapilot they do! but you see INFINITELY more dukes than the huskys. mostly because there's a significant price bump, and most of the dukes are old, i see about 100 200 dukes a day, maybe 3-5 390s, and a svartpilen 200 a week. ive never seen a svart 401, or a vitpilen, but i HAVE seen a couple 501 Supermoto huskys. sumo's are the connoiseur's choice down here, and the retro-moderns are the well-off fashionista's choice. just about everyone else has an mt15, xsr155, or a duke200. or scooters. so many scooters.
@@babyfknblu That's interesting. The Duke 390 and Husky 401's are the same price here in Canada. I'm looking at getting a Vitpilen. It's ironic as over here the 401's are on the low end of the market as most people have 600cc to 1000cc bikes. Lots of open roads/highways here tho. Thanks for the reply.
Suzuki probably struggle with all the euro-shit and r&d of forced electric "green" development. Moto GP is dead, and they foresee it. Many will probably struggle in short order. Car manufacturers too. Really a sad chapter in history. But we can all hope for new great inventions and fun vehicles. I try my best here, to be positive 😢 I thought about buying some of the latest/best models a year ago, or so - before they turn unobtanium.
Suzuki is a big company making 1,500,000 two wheelers annually. By comparison Ducati is a cottage industry with maybe 60,000 sales a year. The image of ducati is "super sexy" whether they race 1/3 of the motogp grid or not. With 1/4 the ducati motopg investment, , Suzuki won a world championship and did so with a bike that is considered elegant and well balanced - a graceful machine in a field generally consisting of very fast sledgehammers. My point here is that Suzuki's investment in motogp to it's street image, is more important to them, than someone like ducati's. It was harder to say they are devolving, when the example of their potential was competing at the highest level. It's not like they are investing much in R&D consistently. The expenses of racing were easily affordable, if the value was perceived, and I think they had that value. All in all - I think it was a mistake to withdraw, it makes a bunch of bikes that are competent but not very edgy, look a lot less shiny. IMO. But hey, drag racing - viva la busa.
When did anything in Nature come from a Clean Sheet...? Suzuki imbues and names their product line and occasional monniker with animal names and qualities - and animals are evolved, not born. My feeling is that Suzuki may be a mite late to the Green powered motorcycle market, and has some pricey technology investments to make in order to bring an electric (or hybrid) vehicle to market... Licensing fees, specialized test equipt. Something had to go. It's business as usual. We can't all be Honda. So, 7.35 Billion for Suzuki Worldwide in 2021...not bad, I bet they have a nice cafeteria!
I think mike pastada just did a ktm motogp ktm vs ktm 1290 vs Porsche where he said ktm pays around 30million annually for 2 bikes. I think he was talking pounds but he didn't say.
Suzuki hasn’t updated their RMZ platform since 2017 and while it’s a good bike, they have almost No support in motocross world wide for some time now, look at Coy Gibbs desperately trying to get support from suzuki before JGRMX shut their doors. I don’t mind kicking a bike but it’s been some time since the motocross world converted .
I don't think "What’s going on with Suzuki?" warranted a full Highside/Lowside episode. Suzuki is not that important in the motorcycle world. As a purchaser of many motorcycles over many years I haven't thought about Suzuki as an option when looking for a new motorcycle. They don't excite or innovate, just plain boring compared with most other manufacturers.
Reality is no body cares about Moto Gp and Suzuki sees that. No body are buying sport bikes. I have Vstrom and I love bikes but don't care about Moto Gp. They will be focused about advanture bikes and more new tech and I love it !! So I am don't care as Suzuki fan they are on Moto Gp or not. I care about they will develop with tech and keep there solid bikes . !
I love the podcast, but this has been a rough episode. Zach talks and talks without saying anything, then stops for several seconds of silence while he waits for Lance or Spurgeon to respond to the stream of thought he just spewed out. Not the best episode. Again, I normally love the podcast. Keep it up! (just not like this)
I live in south east Asia, where everybody riding motorcycle, Suzuki used to be selling hundred of thousand of motorcycle annually, but now, they only selling like few thousand a year?! bad design, lack of after sales killing Suzuki in south east Asia.
What is the point of a hybrid motorcycle? You get a heavy bike with low power with a hybrid plus the drawback of extra complexity. The simpler the better. The most longevity the better. Bikes already have great milage, take up less of the roads and allow traffic to flow better when commuting. This is a solution that does not have a problem. It works for cars because they can suffer the weight penalty, bikes cannot. I get tired of everybody pushing for this electrification when it's unnecessary. Let the tech mature before you jump from the frying pan into the fire. People complain about gas vehicles but are not concerned about all the waste from solar panels and lithium batteries that must be recycled. We have gas powered vehicles that are very efficient now with few emissions. I am amazed at how willing people are to shoot themselves in the foot. What I know is that you will live long enough to regret this and think back to the good old days when we had gas powered vehicles and the freedom to go where we wished when we wished.
Strange move for Suzuki. Most of their bikes are based on race bikes. Only a couple cruisers and dirt bikes. I would like to see them do something to compete with the grom. A mini dual sport off the RM85 would be fun.
Suzuki is doing the 5th generation, the K5 engine, in a similar manner as Harley Davidson does their big engines. One powerplant and umpteen models differentiated by bars, fenders and foot placement.
SP model for me. Once You’ve had braided steel brake lines you’ll never go back and the $3k upgrade price gets you better suspension bits? It’s a no brainer
So many burning KTM clips on UA-cam. The biggest maintenance demand seems to be scraping together enough sand and dirt to put them out when a bystander's 12oz bottle of spring water didn't do it.
On thing that I think gets glossed over way too often is Suzuki also bringing back the katana. It just didn't get the same level of hype because at came out right at the start of the pandemic
Suzuki makes some good bikes. The market is ripe for an update to the DR600/DRZ400, as they are both solid bikes in that segment, but an update with a bit stronger small ADV, a better dual sport, and a couple of Japanese Supermotos to compete with KTM would put them back on people's minds. i have had a GS500, Vstrom 1000, and currently am working on a scrambler GS450 to play around with.
I've tried to order a new Suzuki motorcycle from two dealers and neither would take a deposit, saying that they can't order Suzuki's and they just have to take what they are sent in their allotments!
How is it possible for them to talk this long about Suzuki and not mention the test bikes spotted a couple weeks ago showing a new parallel twin engine in what is suspected to be the SV650 successor?
Let's be real Kawasaki only built a hybrid motorcycle because nobody else is done it and it's just going to give views that's the only thing it's going to be like the old sax rotary motorcycle you know it came out it was a niche a few people bought them but they weren't really popular they're not very reliable and it's not something that's going to stick around realistically why would you want two motors on a motorcycle when you can have either a gas or an electric why do you want both just seems like you're trying to put too much technology into something that needs to be simple come on that's the reason we buy motorcycles right if we wanted a bunch of technology we'd sit her ass in a cockpit with f****** tracks and control abs and all that other BS out there right now you're going to have people out there that need to be the first to have something so yeah you'll have a few of them getting sold but it'll be a flop guaranteed put my name on it
I bought a Suzuki bike recently to be the unique one on the road but honestly they need to improve their bikes design to sell more. Also they need to work on new products.
It didn't take long for it to be good because Harley-Davidson knows how to make motorcycles what world were you born on they stole the technology and if it wasn't for Harley-Davidson pushing outdated technology is the only kind of technology they know how to do quote on quote Willie g Davidson we're not in the market to compete with the foreign motorcycles let's be real it took two times to put the live wire out there the first time was a flop and the second time was a flop
Gotta love the silky smooth sounds of Spurgeon Dunbar for Motul motorcycle products. Glad to see The Silver Fox is back for his first, of what I hope are many, appearances this season. So, basically Kawasaki does not stand with turbo Bruce. I know how Suzuki feels its often been said that if they ever write the story of my life it would have to start with chapter 11. Looks like Suzuki is making big plans for the future and they include needing the money from their GP division. Spurge talk about KTM's? Nah never happen lol! Smell is important Zack nothing like the smells of well weathered leather, hot metal and oil, amid the scented country air. I think its a Triumph triple cylinder, maybe a Speed Triple or a Daytona 675. Wrong on all counts...NUTS! See you in 2 and on 2!
I don't want no exposed chain drive! I much prefer shaft drive! I could go with some kind of enclosed chain - I'd like to see that! Exposed chain is so 1900's! Phooey!
I was positive it was a Street Triple. Also, I think Suzuki is going to be big in the American market again in 10 years. Demand in the global market for EV motorcycles is going to be higher in the short term and North America will play catch up. Suzuki sounds like they're ahead.
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A critisism, your cameras for your faces are like 240p resolution, very bad qaulity embarrassing for 2022
@@tarkilldudegaming2296 Its a podcast. You don't need to look at their faces for 100 minutes straight
@@rolandaskvsat it's not Spotify or 2009
@@rolandaskvsat No, it’s not. A podcast is audio only. These sessions are obviously videotaped at the outset so they aren’t podcasts when shown here they are videos and resolution matters in videos.
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It's funny to listen to this right after Suzuki announced an all new engine that will be going in to multiple new platforms in 2024 (after you all recorded obviously). They must have heard you at HQ
You guys talking about different capacities in Super Sport got me thinking.
Why don't the Japanese 4 so what the Italians so and build "cheater" litre bikes?
Think GSXR1100r, ZX11 and what not.
Would also help meet emmisions standards too.
The cool thing about hybrid systems - you could easily set up a 2wd system Werth an electric motor to the front wheel and gas/petrol to the rear.
Investing those MotoGP dollars into parallel twins.
According to Dani pedrosa the KTM motoGP budget for one team with two riders is 30 to 40 mil usd. He was asked on a carwow video recently.
This podcast spends too much time explaining what they are about to talk about.
Are we really going to do a 1,000 episodes and keep the assumption that your viewers are mostly new? I'd prefer to be interrupted by ball shaver ads
I just can not see the EV being successful. Long charge times to short drive times and then throw in the cost it just isn't feasible.
You get 80% charge in cars in about 30mn sometimes. That's for a huge battery! For motorcycles should be at least the same time. I take frequent stops for coffee/water/beer so that's nothing. Strong motors, low maintenance, electric has everything in its favour. It just needs to get a bit cheaper
@@pedropereira5043 My idea is both EVs and ICEs. We can take EVs for commutes and what not. ICEs for weekend rides and long tours. We don't need to ban ICEs.
Need new battery tech for this to work on motorcycles
What about the new Suzuki twins being seen in Europe? It seems that Suzuki is in the midst of a pivot to new designs and technologies.
At the end of the day,who cares how old the tech is,as long as they're putting out reliable motorcycles.
For the price,I'd rather pay $18,000 on the latest Gsxs 1000 than spend $35 to $40,000 on the latest European motorcycle,that all you hear about is how unreliable they are for a start.
I'll stick with my proven gizzer engines...bandit and gizzis
Honda makes all those cars motorcycles and generators so that they can go racing, I mean that was Mr. Honda’s dream wasn’t it
I think we need to vote with our dollars, and not buy into this EV/hybrid crap. 2 wheels is just not a suited use case for it.
Although I don't currently own a Suzuki, I hope they ramp up in their motorcycle company and get the name back out there.
Zack and Ari took an old GSXR1000 (aka Dave) and kicked Ducati’s flagship to the curb. Maybe, as pointed out, Suzuki found the magic formula. If it ain’t broke, why change it. As for electric, battery technology and cross country infrastructure to support it does not exist. So until the support system exists, they will be the occasional oddity usually found around larger population centers.
Yeah, but after Dave the gixxer (the K5), there was nothing notable in Suzuki's offering. Another bike people loved (I had one) was the DRZ-400. I say loved because in Europe they're long gone. Many people, myself included, would love to see a modern DRZ... Suzuki is sleeping.
still not buying a new suzuki
@@johnnyblue4799 yah fuel injected would be nice
I've been life long Suzuki customer. Many RM125 in my early years. Many gsxr 750,1000 machines. All my bikes have been incredible and reliable. It's such a shame there not doing well. They need to tweak the business model. I would be extremely disappointed if they went under
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@@opiumtrail7032 and yet every1 knows exacty what he meant, so does it really matter?
@@bobedwards8896 ,yes it does Robert.
@@opiumtrail7032 lmao, dunno why that made me laugh
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I'm not very good at the engine sound game, but it is always impressive to see Zachs savant skills
One hit Suzuki took down under this year, was the discontinuation of the DR650, their best selling bike, and one of the best selling adventure bikes in Australia.
They coming out with a newer version along with an updated 1050xt (now DE) that being said they are departing the V engine architecture.
I actually have a hard time seeing hybrid motorcycle technology taking off... I mean what benefits does an electric motorcycle have over a gasoline motorcycle? Efficiency around town and simplicity of maintenance, that's pretty much it? And the downsides are weight, cost, range? Now you're talking about cramming a gas engine *and* a battery and electric motor in a bike? So now it's likely to be more expensive than a gas equivalent, *more* complicated maintenance, just as heavy or heavier, more expensive, and what you get out of it is... maybe a little bit more range (thinking touring range here, city range isn't an issue for just about anybody on a motorcycle, so a much longer range there doesn't really count for much)?
Honestly a hybrid motorcycle sounds like the worst of both worlds to me, not the best of either.
Now if only Suzuki would bring the GT+ to the US in a desirable color blue. I'd even take the black GT if i could get it as a + model
I usually listen to this via podcast in the car but had to come here and thumbs up and give you guys props for stepping up the thumbnail game. Very nice!
I hope Suzuki sticks around, they're my favorite brand (first bike and all). I've had a katana, a gt750, and several rm dirt bikes.
Great content! I wish spurge would just let the explanations come out on their own…
They properly waiting the perfect time to steal some tech from someonelse XD. back in the day of 2 strokes, i heard a interesting story. Suzuki wasnt doing well soo they made a deal with the MZ motorcycle main rider to provide them with the 2 stroke tech made by an German engineer Walter Kaaden in east Germany
Hi, Hello from Mexico City. These are my 5 cents, you need to go back to see the whole picture, not just for bikes, you need to see Suzuki industry as a whole, cars, marine equipment and bikes, so on recent years Suzuki has not had a good reception on both sides, even though they have really good products. So a year ago due to pandemic the industry show us how fragile is economy, so Suzuki had no option other than sell a part of the company to Toyota, who also has an important share investment with Yamaha, so that answer Us one of many questions and it is why to have 2 companies running high expenses on the same category?
Just keep the brand most relevant and the one who has more success. We know Toyota are experts on managing companies, just take a look and see how at Subaru are regaining on market where the company was left a few years ago.
The pacing and enjoyment of this podcast is severely slowed by the consistent need to dumb down topics and explain the least important details. We’re listening because we’re motorcycle people. We know what things like Suzuka and ride by wire throttle are. Even for people that don’t, these aren’t the key issues in the conversation. It’s drags the conversation down and is a little insulting to listeners; suggesting they can’t follow along without every single bit of terminology being defined first.
Building EVs in my mind could not be a good decision. It is a tiny market and one that is being divided into tiny parts of that market through competition. I think that the manufacturing tooling cost alone will out weigh any profits gained.
Electric vehicles should be banned !
Apart from the lack of infrastructure, here in NZ and from what I've observed internationally who could afford to use EVs with the ever increasing cost of power? Add to the fact they're all characterless, heavy, distance restricted and just plain boring I know I would never own one. Riding old technology is an experience, to a greater or lesser degree, EVs are just a mode of transport or a convenience, soul-less automations devoid and remote from input and consequent feedback.
Too long winded.... you drag this out twice as long as it needs to be.... MORE doesn't mean better dudes.
Just waiting for lance to snap about being spoken for and cut off at every turn 🤣🤣🤣🤣
There really is no need to explain throttle by wire to your listeners. Any who have been awake the last 20 years are well aware of this. No need to waste time treating your listeners like 5th graders.
Still nice for people who don’t know
@@geraltofrivia4651 Probably fewer than 10% who don’t know so you make 90% waste time to here 20 year old technology explained.
Win on Sunday. That's it. It no longer translates to sales on Monday (or Tuesday, when dealers are open).
It would be interesting to see a HS/LS edition that discusses the differences around the world in regard to two-wheeled vehicles. We often talk about the use of small motorcycles for transportation in Taiwan, India, etc., and bemoan the lack thereof in North America and to a large degree also Europe, but forget one of the main reasons: climate. In much of India, Taiwan, and Southeast Asia in general, their climate allows year-round riding without much inconvenience. In most of Canada and at least half of the US, you simply can’t ride a two-wheel vehicle reliably all year around. Even if you are willing to buy the gear required to ride at sub-freezing temperatures, the dangers of ice and snow on the roads are not easily mitigated.
I think it also comes down to size. Small bikes work for small places. North America has large expansive highways with decent high speed roads that make large bikes that can take advantage of higher speeds. I rented bikes all over Asia and can't imagine going 80+ mph for long periods of time anywhere.
@@ninjaguysith True. However, that is a factory mainly outside the cities and even the cities in North America have few two-wheeled vehicles compared to cities in Asia and India.
Why does Suzuki investing in being more sustainable automatically mean eBikes? It's more likely to mean manufacturing in more sustainable ways than producing electric motorcycles.
Interesting that Lance is not only the sharpest one here, but his image on the screen is also much sharper than the other two. Hmmm…..
Suzuki does not have a factory team in Supercross and Motocross. They support HEP Suzuki, formerly a smaller team with B list riders. Their bikes are the only ones without electric start, something all other manufacturers embraced years ago. It breaks my heart because some of my favorite bikes have been Suzuki’s over the years (SV 650, DRZ 400, DR 650, and many RMs).
Suzuki VVT trickled down from moto GP. My 18 gsxr 1000R is incredible. What have other manufacturers done. I test drove a R1 and CBR 1000. I absolutely loved the gsxr before buying it. So much power everywhere in the rev range. It felt like a faster more comfortable bike in 2019
The crazy thing about suzuki is... They already made such good bikes it's hard to beat them. The drz400s is unchallenged in its power weight maintenance range. The v strom is too reliable also.
Isn't suzuki bringing out a parallel twin bike to replace the SV650?
Being a Rin’s and Suzuki fan I was really disappointed with them pulling out. 😢
The sound was easy having ridden about 5,000 miles on K1600 rentals in Europe. That whine is very distinctive.
What about the hayabusa that came out in 99.
If Spurge is wrong, in three to five years, he has to ride a V-strom 650 for a year.
Reward for being wrong?
@@lachlancannard One man's reward is another man's punishment. Whichever is the one his dad likes, so maybe the 1050.
Suzuki gets criticized for not releasing new versions when they are reliable and you have KTM Advs having a reputation as
“Its great when its not at dealer for mystical electric problems or its great when it starts”
I rode to the Arctic this summer on reliable Suzuki that had NO issues.
Thanks Mr Suzuki for building a
Reliable bike😆
Right! They made bikes so decent and reliable no one needs to buy another for so long they end up in retirement before the bike breaks.
its been a slow death for Suzuki ever since their failed US auto division crashed and burned
Slow death for Suzuki in the US, yeah. The company itself is doing fine. They just don’t want to spend any real money building big bikes (250+cc) when they know they won’t sell. The exception being ADV bikes and and middleweight nakeds. They know they can sell tons of these (not necessarily in the US…) so they’ll make that
They made the Suzuki kizashi, which was an excellent car, basically the good parts of a BMW 3 series and a Honda Civic in one. Nobody bought it though and they went bust. Marketing good products is hard. Junk sells better. Suzuki bikes are so hit and miss I can't understand why Suzuki dr's sold so well, so heavy, terrible carb setup, and not even particularly durable. Again, junk sells well.
$10K to run a Moto GP team. The funny one. Really smart guess, when the cheapest rider costs $1 million per year.
can i just say as a young, brokeish, brown girl from south east asia, aka the antithesis to y'alls demographic - no one gives a shit about suzuki here either. it's downright weird to still see one that isn't a bergman, and they don't even really have any new or interesting offerings in the small displacement classes we love here. it's aaaaall yamaha, honda, KTM and bajaj. yamaha is the most exciting of the four by some significant margin and all the kids have one (although honda has plenty of loyal multi-generational fans keeping them in hot contention, my dad rode one etc etc). that being said, work trucks, vans, small hatchbacks (the swift), and plenty of ships docked in our island port city are all WAY more likely to have suzuki logos on them. i genuinely see more old 2 stroke suzuki scooters pootling around than i do new suzuki motorcycles of any class.
wait - i've seen a few busas. rich guys here sometimes have busas. that's about it.
Thanks. Interesting comment as I am in Canada. What do people think in south east Asia of the Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen/Vitpilen motorbikes? They have the same engine as the KTM 390 Duke.
@@yamahapilot they do! but you see INFINITELY more dukes than the huskys. mostly because there's a significant price bump, and most of the dukes are old, i see about 100 200 dukes a day, maybe 3-5 390s, and a svartpilen 200 a week. ive never seen a svart 401, or a vitpilen, but i HAVE seen a couple 501 Supermoto huskys. sumo's are the connoiseur's choice down here, and the retro-moderns are the well-off fashionista's choice. just about everyone else has an mt15, xsr155, or a duke200. or scooters. so many scooters.
@@babyfknblu That's interesting. The Duke 390 and Husky 401's are the same price here in Canada. I'm looking at getting a Vitpilen. It's ironic as over here the 401's are on the low end of the market as most people have 600cc to 1000cc bikes. Lots of open roads/highways here tho. Thanks for the reply.
@@yamahapilot yeah the highest speed limit in Singapore is 90km/h and in next door Malaysia it's 110
Suzuki probably struggle with all the euro-shit and r&d of forced electric "green" development.
Moto GP is dead, and they foresee it.
Many will probably struggle in short order. Car manufacturers too.
Really a sad chapter in history.
But we can all hope for new great inventions and fun vehicles.
I try my best here, to be positive 😢
I thought about buying some of the latest/best models a year ago, or so - before they turn unobtanium.
I want an electric or hybrid maxi scooter.
Suzuki is a big company making 1,500,000 two wheelers annually. By comparison Ducati is a cottage industry with maybe 60,000 sales a year. The image of ducati is "super sexy" whether they race 1/3 of the motogp grid or not. With 1/4 the ducati motopg investment, , Suzuki won a world championship and did so with a bike that is considered elegant and well balanced - a graceful machine in a field generally consisting of very fast sledgehammers.
My point here is that Suzuki's investment in motogp to it's street image, is more important to them, than someone like ducati's. It was harder to say they are devolving, when the example of their potential was competing at the highest level. It's not like they are investing much in R&D consistently. The expenses of racing were easily affordable, if the value was perceived, and I think they had that value. All in all - I think it was a mistake to withdraw, it makes a bunch of bikes that are competent but not very edgy, look a lot less shiny. IMO.
But hey, drag racing - viva la busa.
When did anything in Nature come from a Clean Sheet...?
Suzuki imbues and names their product line and occasional monniker with animal names and qualities - and animals are evolved, not born. My feeling is that Suzuki may be a mite late to the Green powered motorcycle market, and has some pricey technology investments to make in order to bring an electric (or hybrid) vehicle to market... Licensing fees, specialized test equipt. Something had to go. It's business as usual. We can't all be Honda.
So, 7.35 Billion for Suzuki Worldwide in 2021...not bad, I bet they have a nice cafeteria!
I think mike pastada just did a ktm motogp ktm vs ktm 1290 vs Porsche where he said ktm pays around 30million annually for 2 bikes.
I think he was talking pounds but he didn't say.
Dani Pedrosa. My bad
Suzuki hasn’t updated their RMZ platform since 2017 and while it’s a good bike, they have almost No support in motocross world wide for some time now, look at Coy Gibbs desperately trying to get support from suzuki before JGRMX shut their doors. I don’t mind kicking a bike but it’s been some time since the motocross world converted .
How about a PHEV motorcycle. I would love to have one that use very little gas and go very long distance motorcycle for my touring
I don't think "What’s going on with Suzuki?" warranted a full Highside/Lowside episode. Suzuki is not that important in the motorcycle world. As a purchaser of many motorcycles over many years I haven't thought about Suzuki as an option when looking for a new motorcycle. They don't excite or innovate, just plain boring compared with most other manufacturers.
Reality is no body cares about Moto Gp and Suzuki sees that. No body are buying sport bikes. I have Vstrom and I love bikes but don't care about Moto Gp. They will be focused about advanture bikes and more new tech and I love it !! So I am don't care as Suzuki fan they are on Moto Gp or not. I care about they will develop with tech and keep there solid bikes . !
I love the podcast, but this has been a rough episode. Zach talks and talks without saying anything, then stops for several seconds of silence while he waits for Lance or Spurgeon to respond to the stream of thought he just spewed out. Not the best episode.
Again, I normally love the podcast. Keep it up! (just not like this)
I live in south east Asia, where everybody riding motorcycle, Suzuki used to be selling hundred of thousand of motorcycle annually, but now, they only selling like few thousand a year?! bad design, lack of after sales killing Suzuki in south east Asia.
What is the point of a hybrid motorcycle? You get a heavy bike with low power with a hybrid plus the drawback of extra complexity. The simpler the better. The most longevity the better. Bikes already have great milage, take up less of the roads and allow traffic to flow better when commuting. This is a solution that does not have a problem. It works for cars because they can suffer the weight penalty, bikes cannot. I get tired of everybody pushing for this electrification when it's unnecessary. Let the tech mature before you jump from the frying pan into the fire. People complain about gas vehicles but are not concerned about all the waste from solar panels and lithium batteries that must be recycled. We have gas powered vehicles that are very efficient now with few emissions. I am amazed at how willing people are to shoot themselves in the foot. What I know is that you will live long enough to regret this and think back to the good old days when we had gas powered vehicles and the freedom to go where we wished when we wished.
Strange move for Suzuki. Most of their bikes are based on race bikes. Only a couple cruisers and dirt bikes.
I would like to see them do something to compete with the grom. A mini dual sport off the RM85 would be fun.
Suzuki is doing the 5th generation, the K5 engine, in a similar manner as Harley Davidson does their big engines. One powerplant and umpteen models differentiated by bars, fenders and foot placement.
SP model for me. Once
You’ve had braided steel brake lines you’ll never go back and the $3k upgrade price gets you better suspension bits? It’s a no brainer
So many burning KTM clips on UA-cam. The biggest maintenance demand seems to be scraping together enough sand and dirt to put them out when a bystander's 12oz bottle of spring water didn't do it.
On thing that I think gets glossed over way too often is Suzuki also bringing back the katana. It just didn't get the same level of hype because at came out right at the start of the pandemic
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2015 Suzuki GSX-S 750 & GSX-S 1000 & GSX-S 1000 F more recently the GSX-S 1000 GT and Katana
2017 Suzuki GSX250R
2009 Suzuki SFV650 Gladius
2007 Suzuki B-King
Suzuki makes some good bikes. The market is ripe for an update to the DR600/DRZ400, as they are both solid bikes in that segment, but an update with a bit stronger small ADV, a better dual sport, and a couple of Japanese Supermotos to compete with KTM would put them back on people's minds. i have had a GS500, Vstrom 1000, and currently am working on a scrambler GS450 to play around with.
R&D is research and development. 🤦🏻♂️ Of course MotoGP costs millions, I don’t see why that’s a surprise.
Suzuki ISN'T going to come up with new and innovative stuff just because you the motorcycle enthusiasts wants something new.
Turns out sporgeon isn't wrong wrong completely because suzuki did come out with a new bad ass adventure bike and parallel twin platform.
I've tried to order a new Suzuki motorcycle from two dealers and neither would take a deposit, saying that they can't order Suzuki's and they just have to take what they are sent in their allotments!
How is it possible for them to talk this long about Suzuki and not mention the test bikes spotted a couple weeks ago showing a new parallel twin engine in what is suspected to be the SV650 successor?
Let's be real Kawasaki only built a hybrid motorcycle because nobody else is done it and it's just going to give views that's the only thing it's going to be like the old sax rotary motorcycle you know it came out it was a niche a few people bought them but they weren't really popular they're not very reliable and it's not something that's going to stick around realistically why would you want two motors on a motorcycle when you can have either a gas or an electric why do you want both just seems like you're trying to put too much technology into something that needs to be simple come on that's the reason we buy motorcycles right if we wanted a bunch of technology we'd sit her ass in a cockpit with f****** tracks and control abs and all that other BS out there right now you're going to have people out there that need to be the first to have something so yeah you'll have a few of them getting sold but it'll be a flop guaranteed put my name on it
I believe the 2005 and the 2017 GSX-R1000s were both ground up redesigns.
I want to say 2007 Harley Dyna because that’s the bike that it sounds like that I start up almost every day and it has that wine and about that rev.
I bought a Suzuki bike recently to be the unique one on the road but honestly they need to improve their bikes design to sell more. Also they need to work on new products.
It didn't take long for it to be good because Harley-Davidson knows how to make motorcycles what world were you born on they stole the technology and if it wasn't for Harley-Davidson pushing outdated technology is the only kind of technology they know how to do quote on quote Willie g Davidson we're not in the market to compete with the foreign motorcycles let's be real it took two times to put the live wire out there the first time was a flop and the second time was a flop
Good. I don't care about MotoGP anyway. They need to take that money, do some R&D, and get us new dual sports already.
The supercross and motocross Suzuki teams are NOT factory efforts. Not sure where Lance got his info there.
Wow! Couldnt help myself, wrnt straigjt over 4 alook.. as a kwakka symp, I want one! WōøHōø!
It’s called Self Preservation and reinvention.
U seem to forget cfmotor because your American in your conversation you say all 4 brands more than 4 brands hello
Spurgeon messed it up by not differentiating 'wire' from 'cable'. Phooey.
I never had much interest in Suzuki bikes. They're kinda mediocre and look weird.
SUZUKI IS NOT TOTALY ASLEEP....THE ARE COMMING OUT WITH A NEW 650 ENGINE TO REPLACE THE V TWIN.
I would say that the Suzuki GW250 Inazuma was the last new model from them
I had a DRZ400E but then traded it in for a new XR650L 11 years ago.
And now the GSX-8S has dropped...that didn't take 5 years!
Some interesting discussion but too long. A one hour format would be more palatable.
Excelent poimt Lance @ 55:00
@RevZilla R&D is research and development (not research and design) 😂
Zach the 🐐
Gotta love the silky smooth sounds of Spurgeon Dunbar for Motul motorcycle products. Glad to see The Silver Fox is back for his first, of what I hope are many, appearances this season. So, basically Kawasaki does not stand with turbo Bruce. I know how Suzuki feels its often been said that if they ever write the story of my life it would have to start with chapter 11. Looks like Suzuki is making big plans for the future and they include needing the money from their GP division. Spurge talk about KTM's? Nah never happen lol! Smell is important Zack nothing like the smells of well weathered leather, hot metal and oil, amid the scented country air. I think its a Triumph triple cylinder, maybe a Speed Triple or a Daytona 675. Wrong on all counts...NUTS! See you in 2 and on 2!
I don't want no exposed chain drive! I much prefer shaft drive! I could go with some kind of enclosed chain - I'd like to see that! Exposed chain is so 1900's! Phooey!
R&D is research and development. Design is separate.
GSX250R :(
R&D stands for research and development, not research and design lmao
I was positive it was a Street Triple.
Also, I think Suzuki is going to be big in the American market again in 10 years. Demand in the global market for EV motorcycles is going to be higher in the short term and North America will play catch up. Suzuki sounds like they're ahead.
They’re going to invest the funds saved from pulling out of MotoGP to give the DRZ a 6th gear!!!
And fuel injection
Add 50cc and reduce weight by 20lbs too, same price as usual
Wwwpp😊
@Kel Drave
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Well mgp savings would help enter those beginner markets