Beehive Springs on Vortecs! Easy .550+ Lift with No Machine Work! *Check description for part

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  • @freshbutplain1144
    @freshbutplain1144 Рік тому +20

    Appreciate the part numbers! Not all hero’s wear capes.

  • @msh6865
    @msh6865 Рік тому +9

    I would never have thought it would be possible to run a LT4 Hotcam in my L31 without machining the guides. IMO this is a game changer.
    Looks like I'd have a few thousandths to spare as well. Nice!
    Thanks so much!

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +5

      Yeah, they work great and saves alot of money in machine work. Even just LS6 summit springs are enough for the lt4 hotcam. We took it up to 6200 rpm and never got valve float.
      ua-cam.com/video/Z4F6TpO_Tic/v-deo.html

    • @Bw40099
      @Bw40099 11 місяців тому +2

      @@cuttersperformance I have a 99 L31 vortec in my tahoe and I was wondering if I were to run an lt4 hot cam would it still make enough vacuum to run the stock vacuum power brakes?

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  9 місяців тому +2

      @Bw40099 has good of vaccum, plenty for power brakes

    • @Bw40099
      @Bw40099 9 місяців тому +1

      @@cuttersperformance thanks! would that sound pretty different from stock idle too?

  • @bagged68C10
    @bagged68C10 Рік тому +9

    Great video Pat! I did most of my mods to my L31 using your older videos a few years back. I am running Comp 26915 springs, 787 retainers, Crane 99095 +.050 keepers, Felpro seals, Comp 1418 1.6 self aligning roller rockers, and an LT4 Hotcam. I had to clearance the intake rocker knubs like you mentioned but I have been running this combo now for a couple years with the stock press fit studs and it is still running strong with zero issues! The LT4 hotcam has been a great street cam for my 96 Chev shortbox and after doing the 411 PCM swap and some tuning it has a nice lope at idle. I am loving this whole video series thanks for the great content!

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +5

      Hell yeah glad to hear!

    • @QuintinSmith-n3m
      @QuintinSmith-n3m Рік тому +2

      Did you drill/elongate push rod holes? Or were you able to run the 1.6 rockers without modding?

    • @Supercharged111
      @Supercharged111 Рік тому +1

      I had to drill for the pro magnums. This has always been a question in the back of my mind, but I really need to change my springs sooner than later.

  • @r.joseph8911
    @r.joseph8911 9 місяців тому +8

    Great channel & content, but someone’s GOTTA tell me- what the HELL is a “piss-cutter”?!! 😂

  • @bermanss350
    @bermanss350 Рік тому +5

    Badass, I really enjoyed the 305 vortec head video from a while back, enough so that I took a pair that I had laying around blended the bowls back opened the runners up slightly and stuck them on a 355 in my 3/4 ton with a summit 1103 cam

  • @bobdavis3389
    @bobdavis3389 Рік тому +3

    I'm finished with my Vortec build , this is a very good video, I used the ramjet cam , I now wish I would have been more aggressive with a different cam , but the car runs great .I wanted to stay under the .500 lift .

  • @jefferybuchan4235
    @jefferybuchan4235 9 місяців тому +1

    One thing to note, I did not see you cover in this video. You can run harden valve lash caps to get the needed stem height for the self aligning rocker arms. Just something to add, I know a lot of people shy away from running them but they do work, also yes I know I am commenting on a 9 month old video just figured I would add this for those that did not know.

  • @Just1Spark
    @Just1Spark 10 місяців тому +2

    Bro you are a wizard! lol Thanks for the great info.

  • @kevinlewis7250
    @kevinlewis7250 3 місяці тому +1

    Bro you’re awesome trying to go with vortec heads and all this stuff is a lot to take in. This was so great gonna follow this. Thank you so much!

  • @gavinpruden3306
    @gavinpruden3306 Рік тому +5

    Another excellent tutorial! Thanks.

  • @smashedfootlefty4726
    @smashedfootlefty4726 Рік тому +3

    ThankYou for sharing this info! Definitely will help me when I get going on my build!

  • @paulmac9634
    @paulmac9634 Рік тому +2

    Pat, others on YT have used beehives on vortec heads but forget about the need for offset keepers. These are key to making this setup work. I watched the last video you made on this and worked great. Thanks!!

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +2

      Yeah, that's correct. With a few quick checks and having the proper information, it can save guys from total destruction

    • @JeffKopis
      @JeffKopis 6 місяців тому

      "offset keepers"?? What are those? 🤔

  • @SubePelayo928
    @SubePelayo928 Рік тому +1

    I just looked on your channel for a new video!! Perfect timing!

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      Sorry, the upload was late this time! There are not enough hours in the week haha

    • @SubePelayo928
      @SubePelayo928 Рік тому

      Those beehive springs should allow for a higher rpm before valve float right? 6-6500?

  • @anthonypritchard7710
    @anthonypritchard7710 Рік тому +1

    Putting vortec heads on my 327 with Holley sniper so this video is really helpful.

  • @tjt4036
    @tjt4036 Рік тому +2

    Great video Pat. Looking forward to more on this build.👍👍

  • @simpleman2004
    @simpleman2004 Рік тому

    Thank you for all the details, I am starting to rebuild a Vortec 350 for my 1990 chevy pickup, your video helped me out quite a bit. Subscribed.

  • @mediumjumbo7484
    @mediumjumbo7484 Рік тому +1

    Another very helpful vortec head video. 👍

  • @100amps
    @100amps Рік тому +2

    Thanks again. Learning lots.

  • @steelcitycaprice.899
    @steelcitycaprice.899 Рік тому +1

    The man with the plans!!👍🏾😎

  • @duanedabney9420
    @duanedabney9420 Рік тому +1

    I’m going to go ahead and cut down my guide bosses since I’m doing screw in studs. My man will do both at the same time basically. I’m going to cut them to achieve the 1.8 install height with stock keepers. I’m not wanting to take the chance of a rocker jumping off. Keep the videos coming!!

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for checking out my videos! Cutting down the guide, the boss doesn't change the intalled height it only adds seal to retainer clearance.

    • @duanedabney9420
      @duanedabney9420 Рік тому +1

      @@cuttersperformance I may have worded that wrong, lol. I’m doing that and the spring seats.

  • @jerrymendoza4384
    @jerrymendoza4384 Рік тому

    Duuuuude....awesome vid. Can't wait to upgrade my Vortecs. Still trying to break in my engine. Keep up the great work.

  • @alexgo1034
    @alexgo1034 Рік тому +1

    I was about to machining retainers ... cool👍

  • @mikkokuorttinen3113
    @mikkokuorttinen3113 Рік тому +2

    Thank you Pat for upload and info! Just for a thought, if the offset keepers are close to contact with the rocker, why not to sand some hundreds off from them to until levelled with the retainers? Then for sure the rocker should only contact the valves only

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +2

      I've filed down high spots, but I've never tried to take much material off a keepers. But technically, if you have the means of accurately grinding them down, it technically could work.

  • @slowg8701
    @slowg8701 Рік тому +1

    Nice! I bet these could be used on a big block chrysler with a spring locator.

  • @diveingarage
    @diveingarage Рік тому +1

    Great video man. Beehives are the bomb. Running some on my current build

  • @randykain765
    @randykain765 9 місяців тому +1

    Where to find .030 keepers? When I Google the part number on your video, the only thing that comes up are the +.050 ones. Thanks in advance for your help! Has been 12-15 years since I built my last sbc, your videos have been very helpful.

    • @nlg062701
      @nlg062701 4 місяці тому

      I did the same thing. However, if you look at the build notes (just above the comments) you'll see he has the VTO4134 listed from Competition Products.

    • @claytonsharpe7467
      @claytonsharpe7467 2 місяці тому

      Thank you ive been looking everywhere for these ​@nlg062701

  • @baims8367
    @baims8367 Рік тому

    Pat is A VORTEC Genius

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      Easy now 😅

    • @baims8367
      @baims8367 Рік тому +2

      @@cuttersperformance well no one else is on here spitting facts / knowledge like you are/do.. I give credit where it’s due!! Excellent info sir . Thanks 🙏🏻 for what you do and have done!!

  • @michaelfuhrman1275
    @michaelfuhrman1275 Рік тому +1

    great video, explains a lot! I hope to do something similar on my motor at one point.

  • @conservativecrusader80
    @conservativecrusader80 Рік тому +2

    Great content as usual!

  • @douglasvance2938
    @douglasvance2938 Рік тому +2

    What happened with the vortec with the DNA heads and 8803 cam? I bought the same heads ( except angled plugs), same cam , lifters, springs, rockers… you get the point. Did I miss the rest of the build because I can’t find it?

  • @coleross9295
    @coleross9295 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for all the info! Do you know the comp cams number for the +030 offset keepers? I’m having a hard time finding any besides the ones you mentioned that are out of stock

  • @tomnekuda3818
    @tomnekuda3818 Рік тому +1

    Interesting. I wish I would have known about offset keepers when I was active in racing.....why didn't I know? Looks like the rocker could come down and release the keepers.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      Rocker should only contact the valve tip. This setup works well, I've used it many times

  • @chadadececco
    @chadadececco Рік тому +1

    Thanks! Another great video!

  • @zachwilson9608
    @zachwilson9608 Рік тому +1

    So no worries about the push in studs? Always thought that was the main problem. Needing to have them studded with more seat pressure

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      Anything over 300lbs over the nose or 6000 rpm+ screw in studs should be used. But they always a good idea if you have the heads off

  • @bigal878
    @bigal878 Рік тому +1

    Great video mate 👍🇦🇺

  • @jtcustomknives
    @jtcustomknives Рік тому +1

    I have a 1970 350SBC that runs amazing with real high compression but poops out at about 4k rpm. I pulled the valve covers and it has 601 heads from a 305 on it. So I’m looking into a vortex swap. What cam would you recommend. I want a nice aggressive lumpy idle. I’m putting this into a 280ZX

  • @oscarpuente2029
    @oscarpuente2029 Рік тому +2

    outstanding!

  • @MontyCarlo1977
    @MontyCarlo1977 Рік тому +1

    OMG thank you so much for showing this!!! My engine has "217" heads with the LT4 Hot Cam. The original hot cam springs are a little weak and the dampers self destructed and took out the seals with them. These springs you are talking about might save me tons of frustration. Look up the 217 head and tell me your opinion.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      You should be able to use the beehive but your measurements will different than show in the video on a vortec. You'll probably need to add shims under the spring on the Ex and offset keepers on the IN.

  • @georgekalafatis7286
    @georgekalafatis7286 Рік тому +1

    Good handy knowledge thank you

  • @kruelzombieful
    @kruelzombieful 13 днів тому +1

    How much pressure can pushed in Studs hold? Best guess?

  • @clarksgarageofbadhabits6803
    @clarksgarageofbadhabits6803 11 місяців тому

    Hey Pat, I really hope you see this comment as it’s an older video. I checked out the Power products .030 offset keepers, but there’s a review from a man saying he received .050 keepers in a Howard’s Cams package. Could you test those out please? I don’t want to buy the wrong thing and I don’t want any issues trying to run my 1.5 rocker arms with the summit 8802 cam.

  • @QuintinSmith-n3m
    @QuintinSmith-n3m Рік тому +1

    So I’ve been watching your videos and started a L31 build 9:56 if I’m running non machined vortec heads can I run the summit 8801 cam with 1.6 prw roller tip self aligning rockers which increases cam to lift to .560 with the 174004 springs and +50 keepers, retainers, and seats listed. Is this possible to do or do with shaving the rocker arm lip? Can I run stock pushrods or do I need to purchase more pushrods? If so what pushrods do you recommend for this combo?

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому

      Most likely, the intake rocker arms will have to be filed down slightly for clearance. Its not a big deal to do. you just have to take your time and take off a minimal amount to allow for clearance.
      Your stock push rods shouldn't be used with these springs. A .080"+ thickness wall push rod should be used. I prefer the 1 pc pushrods

    • @QuintinSmith-n3m
      @QuintinSmith-n3m Рік тому

      Do I have to drill out pushrod holes with these suggested pushrods? I was trying not to pull heads.

    • @QuintinSmith-n3m
      @QuintinSmith-n3m Рік тому

      Thank you so much for your help as I’m figuring this out , I really appreciate it

  • @brandonrohrer7914
    @brandonrohrer7914 Рік тому +2

    Can you Use the .050 offset keepers on intake and the .030 offset on the exhaust? I know you can but should you ?

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому

      The intakes are the issue with the shorter valve tip. It's no issue to run +.050 on the EX

    • @brandonrohrer7914
      @brandonrohrer7914 Рік тому

      @piss-cutterperformance thank you very much so you could

  • @michaelhancock1603
    @michaelhancock1603 Рік тому +1

    Hey Pat, tried ordering some of the retainers you recommended (SUM-174003-3) but the delivery times keep getting pushed. It's now showing August. Will Comps 787-16 work in their place? Thanks!

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому

      Yeah, but you will have to do all the same measurements in the video. You'll find they may be slightly different for retainer to seal clearance

  • @RowdyCStuff
    @RowdyCStuff Рік тому +1

    Great video! Are beehive springs similar to Z28 valve springs? Is there a problem running these heavier springs during camshaft break-in (using cam's recommended break in procedures)? Also, what is the minimum lift when using these springs? Looking at a mild cam with a .444/.466 lift while using 305 HO 601 heads with z28 springs. Thanks for the informative video.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      Ive had really good luck with breaking in flat tappet cams with the lighter beehive springs (like the LS6 springs). They dont have a minimum lift, should work fine for you. Just follow proper break in

  • @No1414body
    @No1414body Рік тому +9

    If rebuilding a set of heads, you can run +100 valves

  • @nelloagostini4389
    @nelloagostini4389 3 місяці тому

    Hello Sir, excellent videos I've watched all of them now and rewatching some, whet roller tip rockers do you recommend with the + .030 locks?
    Hope to see more videos keep up the excellent work

  • @malcolmburton9481
    @malcolmburton9481 Рік тому +1

    So what roller tip rockers would you use thanks Great video

  • @ajsgarage3471
    @ajsgarage3471 Рік тому +2

    I plan to run summit roller cam SUM-8802 on my L31 with Summit springs SUM-174002 springs. The cam specs are 218/227 @.050 intake lift .525 and exhaust is .520. Based on your experience would i run into any issue with clearance with this set up?

    • @nlg062701
      @nlg062701 4 місяці тому +1

      Did you build this? Did you have any issues with it?

    • @Issastock350
      @Issastock350 29 днів тому

      @@nlg062701Same, just ordered cam lifters springs, already got some other stuff in as well. This part has been bugging me for ages but ima just shoot and try till it works

  • @SuperDave227D
    @SuperDave227D 5 місяців тому +1

    Pat, my full roller rocker nubs are still too tight on my intakes, even with the + .030 keepers- so my question is what about the Manley 11860 valves on the intake side with the .290 tips to match the exhaust tip clearances….. how does that affect the intake? I have ls6 beehives, the 787 retainers, + .050 keepers on exhaust and got the * .030 keepers for the intake to try and get more clearance on the self aligning full roller rockers, and the Summit version of the LT4 hot cam so .520 and .525 lift. I’m at my Witt’s end trying to get the clearance I need on the rocker guides to keep them off the locks ! Seeing the .290 tip Manleys seem to be the way to go, but what else changes? IF they will work for me, do I go back to the + .050 locks to keep the 1.8” install? Please someone help me out! My brain is imploding over all this I don’t fully understand!
    Thanks in advance! Best channel out there on Vortecs!!!

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  5 місяців тому +1

      @davenkaren2572 email me with pics of the valve tip height and rocker arms being used pcperformance1@outlook.com

    • @SuperDave227D
      @SuperDave227D 5 місяців тому

      @@cuttersperformancesent

  • @bloodhawk6252
    @bloodhawk6252 Рік тому +1

    What about lash caps will that work for this setup? Great information on these head's always look forward for your videos

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      There are two issues with that. The lash cap depth is too much, and it will ride on the keepers and also lash caps typically can't be used with self aligning rocker arms

    • @bloodhawk6252
      @bloodhawk6252 Рік тому

      @@cuttersperformance of not buget minded what would 100. Thousands longer valve's do ? What's the POS and NEG to this option

  • @malcolmburton9481
    @malcolmburton9481 9 місяців тому

    Hi pat great video s Would I get away with using SUM 174002 springs retaiiners std valve locks at 1.75 using a ZZ4 cam 510 valve lift if not could I take some of the retainer thanks

  • @ErnestoSantana-kq2im
    @ErnestoSantana-kq2im 8 місяців тому

    Hello my friend, I would love to know if you can tell me what's the max lift & RPMs these springs can handle, here are the springs specs: seat load 136 lbs @ 1.800'' , open 412 lbs @ 1.170'' , spring rate 438 lbs/in and coil bind 1.125'' , thanks in advance

  • @mute_d138
    @mute_d138 Рік тому

    I seen that summit racing has a spring rated for .630 lift. Part # sum-174005. It’s the same price as the .600 lift spring.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      Yes they do, but you'll have to machine the guides to get that lift

  • @stevefranklin9920
    @stevefranklin9920 Місяць тому

    Sorry to have to ask you through here but I can’t get your email to work. Will the Summit 174003 retainers work with the GM 12499224 blue springs? I’m running a .512” lift cam so would you suggest the +30 or the +50 offset locks based on your experience? Thanks and keep putting out the great videos !!!

  • @zAvAvAz
    @zAvAvAz Рік тому

    thanks Pat. i am was looking for a spring to go with crower hydraulic roller, and i am was looking at conicaL springs not the beehives. There are some smaller conicaL type springs out there and i am was wondering if you could tell me one that works or try one for this hyd. roller cam? crower #OO484LM . Respectively It is a 284*/286* advertised and 230*/236* @ O.O5O" lift and Lobe lift is O.363"/ O.370" lift respectively. LSA is 114* degrees. Grind number is #228HR236. i am not knew if you have ever tried it. Although i am going to use Gen1 sbc heads. Just wondering if it could work for both head types?

  • @SQUARE_ATC
    @SQUARE_ATC 10 днів тому +1

    Hope you respond, because I need help…😂
    Will all the part numbers in your description(with the .550 springs)work with a .510/.520 hydraulic roller cam(comp 08-432-8)? With 305 vortec heads?
    How would the 305 heads do? They are 059 casting numbers.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  10 днів тому +1

      Yeah it will work but you'll want to check all your installed heights as shown in the video. The 305 vortec heads are also a good head, but they have a smaller intake valve and not as good of a combustion chamber as the 350 vortecs

    • @SQUARE_ATC
      @SQUARE_ATC 10 днів тому

      @ alright. Well I will have to see if I can borrow a valve spring tool from someone. I really just don’t want to buy something, that I can’t use…I’ve did that before. And I’m on a budget budget…
      So how do the 305 heads do? Comparable to the 350s or? I already have the 305 heads, and don’t really have the money for 350s, but could probably make it happen. Would you say send the 305s or get 350s?
      Also, the cam is on sale, and my square body wants an engine, and I want my square body…😂

  • @patricklandon8399
    @patricklandon8399 Рік тому

    Have u ever used the tick performance spring kit? Part# TPC-6BHLTKit
    Seems like a really nice kit

  • @Sabe53
    @Sabe53 3 місяці тому

    Grind top of the keepers till they are flush with the top of the retainers. Grind guide rails on rockers to give the clearance you need between rockers and retainers, keepers. Just did this on my vortecs and have plenty of room.

  • @bluef2501989
    @bluef2501989 Рік тому +1

    Our of curiosity would this work for your typical "turbo swirl" heads? I understand that the vortec is superior just curious if it would even work for the guy try to get a little bit out of his old center bolt 350

  • @RGCJ8763
    @RGCJ8763 5 місяців тому

    Comp Cams must have changed vendors or something for these springs because they won't clear the guide boss at the spring pocket on the 062's I just built. Had to cut the boss diameter to fit these springs.

  • @factoryratgarage
    @factoryratgarage Рік тому +1

    Amazing video

  • @nlg062701
    @nlg062701 4 місяці тому

    Looks like I needed this video a month ago. I'm having the intake valve Rocker Clearance problem with my rockers hitting the retainers. If I completely scrap my currently set up and purchase the parts in this build will I have enough room for this cam HRS-CL110245-10? Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio:
    0.500 in. Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.510 in.

  • @michaelbelknap2923
    @michaelbelknap2923 Рік тому +1

    Perfect thanks for the part numbers
    It reallly helps
    So we can keep stock rocker arms?
    Or should the roller rockers be used for the hot cam?😊

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому

      Stock rockers are not long slot and shouldn't be used much past .480 lift

    • @michaelbelknap2923
      @michaelbelknap2923 Рік тому

      @@cuttersperformance so in this case where we’re shooting for 500 plus lift what is the recommendation for circle track 7500rpm

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      @@michaelbelknap2923 depending on your rules, a comp cams or PRW roller tip rocker works well. Adding guide plates and full roller rockers is even better

    • @michaelbelknap2923
      @michaelbelknap2923 Рік тому

      @@cuttersperformance thanks!
      Will look those up for part numbers have 2 vortex’s on the stands now

  • @calvinpress2269
    @calvinpress2269 7 днів тому

    What does the install height come to with the +.050 locks?

  • @JimBronson
    @JimBronson Рік тому +1

    What rockers are you going to run on these? The comp roller tips with the traditional fulcrum?

  • @jacobnorth8642
    @jacobnorth8642 7 місяців тому

    So use the .030 or .050 retainers with self aligning rockers? Or you have to order them install and check?

  • @richardcoleman9645
    @richardcoleman9645 11 місяців тому +1

    If I want to put 600 lift on 317 heads, will I have to mill the head and cut down the guides? Mill the spring seat and use spring guides.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  11 місяців тому

      Ls heads have lots of retainer clearance. They are originally equipped with beehives with a 1.800 installed height. They make "drop in" beehive springs or even kits that allow for dual springs to be used without modification to the actual head

    • @richardcoleman9645
      @richardcoleman9645 11 місяців тому

      I have the springs for the lift. Do I need to have the guides cut down and seat cut so I can get a .600 lift and not hit the seal?

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  11 місяців тому

      No, not on a LS head

  • @michaelswoopes9708
    @michaelswoopes9708 Рік тому

    Wow, great info. Quick question, can i use stock LS retainers on the summit 174002 springs with the .050 offset keepers and be ok with a 510/520 lift cam 🤔.

  • @integra167
    @integra167 Рік тому +1

    Is there an issue with running guide plates, if you want to use the 50 thou keepers?

  • @ChadFlanagan-fw1eh
    @ChadFlanagan-fw1eh Рік тому

    Hey just bought the .030 from competition products. They came in a Howard's box that says .050 box, lol. What's a easy way to measure to make sure they are actually .030

  • @bobbysmith2089
    @bobbysmith2089 Рік тому +1

    So I can run the lt4 hot cam with those seals springs retainers and .30+ keepers and stock rockers 1.5?

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому

      You shouldn't use stock rockers' past .480 lift as they are not long slot

  • @pryueye
    @pryueye Рік тому

    Hey man your videos are great! Good info thats hard to find anywhere else.. apparently The Locks I got in my kit from Comp Cams came with these offset +.050 they recommended 26906VC-KIT and I'm using self-aligning stamped steel rockers after the first 500 miles with the motor took the valve covers off and see pretty much on the intake that they are wearing into the locks im using comp cams XE268H intake at .477 exuhast at .480 from what I gather from your information I should be able to go back to the stock retainer locks and not have these clearance issues and it would still work cuz I'm under .500 lift.. lucky I caught thanks to your videos what do you think?

  • @pops3554
    @pops3554 3 місяці тому

    What are your thoughts on running 1.6 rockers off a 3400series on a 2001 4.3 v6???
    Also what springs can i run ...if i run a bigger cam with 470 lift?
    Thanks brother!!!
    I also love vortecs!!!!
    Plan on running sbc vortec headed in my 2001sliverado!!!!

  • @stevenbryant7799
    @stevenbryant7799 9 місяців тому

    Did you ever finish the build, how did it turn out? So i assume you upgraded the keepers and seals with the parts listed in the info? Just looking to do something similar and want to take out all of the guess work!

  • @ericpardue2951
    @ericpardue2951 8 місяців тому +1

    I’m having trouble finding the +.030 keepers for the stock valves in my l31 heads I’m trying to do exactly what this video shows and use a 500 lift cam does any body have a link to them forgive my inexperience I’m working on my first engine build

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  8 місяців тому +1

      Heres a link
      www.competitionproducts.com/mobile/VTO-Forged-Steel-7-Deg-Valve-Locks-11_32-Valve-Stem/productinfo/VTO4134/

    • @nlg062701
      @nlg062701 4 місяці тому

      Eric how has your build gone? I'm looking to do a 0.500 lift Howards cam and looking to see if it'll work. Any issued with piston to valve clearance?

  • @yeanlingsoda359vortexcars8
    @yeanlingsoda359vortexcars8 9 місяців тому

    So i orderd the +.50 but i only needed the .30 should be fine right 😆

  • @ramonhernandez9292
    @ramonhernandez9292 Рік тому +1

    Have a question I purchased the 174002 summit brand beehive springs did you run in the problem of them fitting around the valve seal boss? I have the 906 vortec heads some went on good no problem and some where a lil tight but went on my question is will it cause problems only gonna be running a .480 lift just wanna make sure the tight snug ones won’t break on me.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      Often times youll have to take a sandpaper cartridge roll and clean up the casting on the stud boss. The springs shouldn't be tight. Im pretty sure I show that in this video

    • @Classickoolcars
      @Classickoolcars 9 місяців тому

      @@cuttersperformance YES. As in the video 👍

  • @GERARDd-q4z
    @GERARDd-q4z 2 місяці тому

    What is the valve length that you are using stock 4.880 or a 4.911

  • @JeffKopis
    @JeffKopis 6 місяців тому

    SO glad you changed the channel name, son! 😂

  • @DustinJones-h2t
    @DustinJones-h2t Рік тому

    I have a1998 l29 454 and 4l80e outta of a Winnebago that I am swapping into my 70 Chevelle. I want to put a zz502 cam in it..... It's factory hydraulic roller with net lash rockers( not adjustable) Do you have a recommendation for a valve spring setup

  • @michaelhancock1603
    @michaelhancock1603 Рік тому +1

    Hey Pat! Another great video, thank you good sir! Have you found any issues running the stock rockers with a .030 offset keeper? Thanks!

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      What springs are you trying to run?

    • @michaelhancock1603
      @michaelhancock1603 Рік тому

      @@cuttersperformance I was thinking of running the 174002s. Mainly looking for a torque machine ('83 K20).

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      @michael hancock sorry I just realized I read that wrong. I thought you said stock "retainers". You should have no issues running the stock rocker arms with the offset keepers. The factory rocker arm nubs are around .060 deep so you should have tons of clearance. But remember, the factory rocker arms are not long slot and shouldn't be used past .480 litt

    • @michaelhancock1603
      @michaelhancock1603 Рік тому

      @@cuttersperformance Great point, thanks! Well, on that note, you have a lead on some budget rockers (maybe roller?) that would work past .480 AND not break the bank? LOL

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      @@michaelhancock1603 the PRW roller tips are well priced

  • @ethism_14w21
    @ethism_14w21 10 місяців тому

    Question. I have a sbc350 with 906 vortec heads that I built with a port job and screw in studs. The heads have 480 max springs from summit racing. My engine has a 480/488 cam in it from Howard’s. Would I need stronger valve springs or would the 480 max springs work? I don’t want to deal with valve float. And what springs would you recommend? Not sure if 550 lift max springs are to stiff or not. Thanks

  • @popsshop1270
    @popsshop1270 8 місяців тому

    Just curious, I have one gm (mexico) 906 and one aftermarket 906, the base on the aftermarket is not a pocket like the mexico 906, can I still run the beehive springs on this head with no issues?

  • @urielpaz8023
    @urielpaz8023 11 місяців тому

    I have a 305 I'm rebuilding would you know of a camshaft I might be able to find a mild cam for towing and some performance it's a 1998 vortec in a pick up

  • @rockfordhx2768
    @rockfordhx2768 Рік тому +1

    Do a video on a vortec head porting what tools u use exactly and how much u like to shave off and everything else

  • @4flattiresgarage701
    @4flattiresgarage701 Рік тому

    I was watching one of your older videos and I wanted to know your thoughts on gasket matching a vortec head

    • @4flattiresgarage701
      @4flattiresgarage701 Рік тому

      On the intake side

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      There are very little gains to a vortec head on the intake runner side. I wouldn't gasket match it but making sure the intake manifold transitions into the head nicely is a good idea.

    • @4flattiresgarage701
      @4flattiresgarage701 Рік тому

      @@cuttersperformance thank you for responding and all the info I plan do a similar build on my channel, I’ll make sure to send more views your way

  • @PeTer-vh3hi
    @PeTer-vh3hi Рік тому

    Great video Pat! Do you know where I could buy Rebuilder valves (+0.015 stem) for Vortec heads? Enginetech has some, but I can't find a source to order them.

  • @NatesBuilds
    @NatesBuilds Рік тому +1

    Would SUMM-8803 cam go good with the .600 springs?

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому

      Yeah, it would be a good match

    • @NatesBuilds
      @NatesBuilds Рік тому

      @cuttersperformance could i use the +.030 keepers, making it .550 max lift and still use that cam?

  • @lesliekish3229
    @lesliekish3229 Рік тому

    Hey Patrick, my name is Leslie. I enjoyed your L31 build with DNA Heads. I have a question about the DNA Heads. We're they straight plug, or angled plug holes? Does one work better than the other? What's the difference? Thanks Again Leslie

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      I used straight plugs. The only difference is for header clearance. Some headers are designed for straight plugs and some for angled (some work for both)

  • @Deadpool-ODST
    @Deadpool-ODST Рік тому

    Awesome video. I have been watching them for a bit now and I have a question.
    I am building a TBI 350 4 bolt main out of my 1993 Blazer.
    I have a set of 062 Vortecs and I will use the Weiand Street warrior (8121) intake.
    I am also going to use the Summit Racing Max efi 500.
    I also am going with LS6 style spring and lifters (Roller)
    I was thinking about the Chevy performance cam 12677151. Is this a good cam for a truck?
    I daily drive this every day in Germany (Including Autobahn but only 75-85 mph)
    I want some nice power but still be torquey down low.
    I was also looking at some 4x4 cams but most are getting close to the limits of the vortecs.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      Some mild pocket porting on the vortecs, long tube headers, you could easily see 370hp 400 ftlbs of torque with that cam on a 350/355.

    • @Deadpool-ODST
      @Deadpool-ODST Рік тому

      @@cuttersperformance Pocket Porting?

    • @chrisreynolds6520
      @chrisreynolds6520 Рік тому +1

      I ran the 151 in my 97 Van with 1.6 rockers, marine L31 intake and thorley tri-ys. It had loads of power.

  • @ramonhernandez9292
    @ramonhernandez9292 Рік тому

    So if I understand the stock vortec valve spring retainer and locks will work up to .500 lift with the new bee style springs? If so would only need to purchase new valve stem seals and springs to run a .480 lift camshaft?

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому

      No you need the summit or comp cam retainers to run beehives. Part#s in description

    • @ramonhernandez9292
      @ramonhernandez9292 Рік тому

      @@cuttersperformance
      Ok wasn’t to sure when you said use stock retainer and locks but now I understand your meaning stock style bee springs retainer and keepers

  • @logand.56
    @logand.56 Рік тому

    I love the info you provide. Decided to finally pull the trigger on a cam for the 5.7 Vortec in my '99 Suburban. Melling 22280 cam (.497/.502 lift), with the LS spring setup and pioneer rocker studs 🤘 looking to do .050 keepers on exhaust and .030 on the intake. Do you see any reason why this would be a bad idea?

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому

      I haven't done it but technically not reason you couldn't. As long as you base your "max lift" off the .030 offset

    • @nlg062701
      @nlg062701 4 місяці тому

      How did this build go? did you have any issues? Piston to valve clearance OK?

    • @logand.56
      @logand.56 4 місяці тому

      @nlg062701 i had issues with the ball type rockers. Spring pressure was too high and caused the rockers/balls to gall. Went full roller instead. Clearance is good. Had to go .030 offset on all due to the self aligning rockers. The full rollers offer more clearance with the aligning tabs though, so i should be able to swap to .050 later. Runs good and smooth 👌

    • @nlg062701
      @nlg062701 4 місяці тому

      @@logand.56 Which rockers did you go with? That's exactly what i realized I needed to do after reading these comments.

    • @logand.56
      @logand.56 4 місяці тому +1

      @nlg062701 i believe they're PRW pro stainless rockers. They require longer studs though. So what was supposed to be a weekend project turned into 3 weeks 🤦‍♂️

  • @michaelschumann4599
    @michaelschumann4599 8 місяців тому

    Does this apply to iron lt1 heads?

  • @jamesr.6869
    @jamesr.6869 8 місяців тому

    So spring pressure is 375 open my cam needs 300 would it be fine with 375

  • @Chad-l6u
    @Chad-l6u Рік тому +1

    Do any of these combinations affect valve to piston clearance?

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +1

      No nothing to do with piston to valve clearance

    • @Chad-l6u
      @Chad-l6u Рік тому

      I guess I'm confused how lift works then can you clarify this for me? If I add lift what do I gain ?

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому

      @@Chad-l6u the camshaft and rocker arms determine lift and duration. The valve springs must be upgraded to allow for more lift and more duration when the cam is upgraded

  • @natureboi1233
    @natureboi1233 5 місяців тому

    where is the link for the spring kit

  • @maxmaxwell7590
    @maxmaxwell7590 3 місяці тому

    So if you run these parts you can run a .520 lift cam and it won't pull the studs out.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  3 місяці тому +1

      Depends. If you have more than 300-325 lbs of open pressure, you should use screw in studs

  • @Bw40099
    @Bw40099 11 місяців тому

    I have a 99 L31 vortec in my tahoe and I was wondering if I were to run an lt4 hot cam would it still make enough vacuum to run the stock vacuum power brakes?

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah lots of vaccum. 15 inches+ at idle

    • @Bw40099
      @Bw40099 11 місяців тому

      @@cuttersperformance Thanks ordering these exact parts this week cant wait to start the tear down one more question do you have any tips for getting the timing cover on without pulling the oil pan? for now my plan is to unbolt the motor mounts and lift it enough to undo the pan and get the lip under but if theres a better way i'd like to know.

    • @Bw40099
      @Bw40099 11 місяців тому

      @@cuttersperformance Is this cam okay with the factory distributor or do i need a distributor with a different gear material

  • @marquislewis1767
    @marquislewis1767 Рік тому +1

    With this cam and beehive setup how much hp do you think the L31 will make

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому

      I'm not sure, never ran one of these cams. What's your guess?

    • @marquislewis1767
      @marquislewis1767 Рік тому

      @@cuttersperformance well i built a engine last yr using info from your older video on beehive springs. I used comp cam springs 26906-16, comp cams retainers 787-16, summit racing +•050 offset keepers 174003-4, comp cams magnum rockers 1417-16, and comp cams xtreme energy cam 08-422-8(.495/.502 lift). I filed the rockers slightly to obtain the clearance for the valve stems. I also added a bbk 80mm throttle body. Motor has been assembled for a yr now just sitting on a stand in the garage. I would be totally happy if i could get 325-350hp out of it. The enginge has 60 over bore and it cost me about 2500 including used engine, honing-hot tanked-and polished crank journals from machine shop,all new bearings, timing set, valve covers,oil pump, oil pan front and rear main seals, etc etc…the works!!! Did all of this using your videos.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance  Рік тому +2

      @Marquis Lewis right on man! Love hearing about builds like this. Well I can tell you a stock L31 with a carb intake will make right around 300hp and a even a super mild cam will make 320 to 325 all day on unported heads