Hi Diogo...I will spend my money on a crf l,use the ,,left over,,money from buying a rally on slightly better suspension perhaps but maybe wait half a year to see if the crf 300 l is enough for my skill level and intended terrain.....only a pity that like most manufacturers Honda has a delivery problem! Thanks again for the excellent 3 day training this last month!It has been great and i learned so much and it boosted my confidence a lot!I would recommend everyone to do a course since learning it by yourself can be very expensive,painfull and not as much fun as with a good instructor.
Hey Robert! Because of your wise and convenient words, i pinned your comment to the top xD Thank you! It was a pleasure to meet you and an honour to be "responsible" for your future adventures :p
After a bit of research, it is the same engine design as the klx 300. Same bore and stroke. Same CC. And loncin makes the engine for kawasaki. So top speed should be OK with new sprocket like klx300. That's a lot of bike for the cash!
Very interesting review of a dirt cheap bike (pun intended). Two years ago I tried the Voge 300 AC in Paris and suburbs, that was pretty good for the money, although for me a 300 of 160 kg is far too heavy . I didn't buy it just for a very personal reason, I prefer bikes with some power at any RPM so 300 cc is too small. The sad thing that a 450 mono wouldn't not be heavier nor more expensive at the end. But Voge has already an "adventure" twin 500 to sell, so forget a 400-450 mono... Being an old guy, I've been too much spoiled with my dirt bikes; a XR 250 R cc 108 kg 26 HP prepared I kept a very long time, a XR 400 R kited 400cc 38 HP at the rear wheel, 135 kg dry prepared for raid with big tank 13 liters plus 8 liters auxiliary tank plus luggage bags and protectors, and a XR 600 R 50 HP at the rear wheel prepared 120 kg (too brutal for a relaxed adventure at low revs, so I sold it as the 400 was far more efficient, bigger is not synonym of better). The efficiency in adventure is a comfortable bike easy to ride so you do not get tired, even in technical passages so 400 km of trails in a 10 to 12 hours journey are not a problem. You won't have an accident because your bike has exhausted you. Your ass is not a pain, your vertebrae are in good shape, your left hand doesn't ache, the vibrations have not left you numb and dumb. After a night and a good coffee you'll be ready for a new day without needing illicit substances. I almost forgot that all these bikes had at least 260 mm of suspension travel. So I stay ice cold when seen the specs of today. Maybe the 690 KTM, but I had a so bad experience with this brand that I have eczema and tremors when I hear the name. Reliability was not the motto of KTM. Some objective facts I've found about Voge. It's a true brand, not a rebranded imported low quality Chinese bike so common in Europe. Voge is the premium brand of the LONCIN factory located in China in the Chongqing region. LONCIN MOTOR CO LTD was founded in 1993. It integrates manufacturing enterprises of generator sets, agricultural machinery, light power units and two-wheeled motorcycles. More than 6,000 employees. It has always made motorcycles, small displacement scooters and quads. Its production, mainly intended for domestic market, turned to export in the 2000s. The company makes engines for different occidental brands (some do not want to tell that they are using engines or principal components made in China) including BMW since more than 6 years (750 and 850 twins, the C650 is made by Kymko in Taiwan, and the 310 is made in India but the prices in Europe remain at German level, and in fact the CR300 Honda is made in Vietnam). So Loncin obtained a transfer of technology. Loncin exports vehicles in a lot of countries, mainly South East Asia and Latin America. Loncin Motor Co. Ltd is listed on the Shanghai Stock Exchange. If the company looks at first sight solid, (more than most European motorcycle brands), finally all the service depends on the importer/distributor financial capacity of waiting enough sales and having a good net of local sellers. The guarantee in France is 3 years. That seems rather good but the great difference with the Japanese is that Loncin has not an European subsidiary company, so it depends totally of the quality of the national importer. That can become problematic, as we have seen for some brands murdered by the importers. Many questions without answer. Brands like Voge should help to publish reliability tests 20000 km and far more like 50000 km to establish a reputation. For the Fantic 500 using a Chinese engine we have the data from Berotec over 17000 km...In conclusion I would say that the Chinese serious brands are in situation similar to the Japanese at the middle of the sixties.
The fact that they export to Southeast Asia and Latin America actually speaks for them. Marketing can now be done well via UA-cam, if necessary also in the form of repair tutorials. An excellent supply of spare parts worldwide/Europe with short delivery times would be important for success. So that customers can help themselves at short notice or with the help of independent workshops. Self-help or improvisation is not uncommon in the enduro travel sector. (I hope Locin is reading here) We'll see...
It is one year later now and the warranty in Portugal is 5 years. Also some positive longer term reviews, one of 10.000 km. I still havent bought one. ...I wonder if a GRF exhaust (recommended by the importer) and a smaller front sprocket can solve the low top speed problem. If I can cruise at 110 on the highway without feeling like I am torturing the bike, I am happy.
A long time late,r I can give some information about the reliability of the 300 Rally. Voge is selling a lot in Latin America, and there are in Argentina some Voge 300 Rally with more than 30000 km, and one guy 50000 km without any problem. I'm not surprised it's the old good well proven KLX engine. In Spain the Voge 300 Rally has been sold as hot bread. There are several channels on YT, all in Spanish. There are 4 guys with 4 Rally who have made 3500 km offroad in Morocco with just 1 flat front tire (channel Vogeando). The channel Viajando con Mabre has several interesting videos. This athletic guy has taken a Voge Rally (with NO modifications) in the "Xtreme 300 de Pozoblanco" and made 300 km WOT, so full gas that the consumption went up to 7 liters/100 km. No problem. That means he stayed WOT using all the 25 hp, the kind of thing never a amateur owner will do to his bike. So happy that he took the same bike to The Hellas Rally 2023 in Greece, 7 days race in pretty harsh condition under a lot of rain. One problem day 4, that was a faulty connector from the alternator to the regulator full of mud (that's lack of preparation, silicon is your friend when sealing all these silly connectors). None problem with the engine. An English guy has made some long travels and none problem. The premium Chinese brands are now here like the Japanese in the and seventies. For those talking about Honda reliability the CRF are made in China and assembled in Vietnam, no Japanese has been harmed making it...The Triumph are made in Thailand...The KTM 390 are made in India and lots of parts including complete engines of the big KTM are made in China by CFM Moto who has now also a partnership with Yamaha. And Kove is now selling the 450 Rally. Almost a unicorn, arriving in France for 10000€.. Jimmy Lewis (winner of the Dakar, gold medalist of the ISDT, winner of several Bajas) makes a detailed test of the bike for Dirt Bike Test. I say nothing, just see the video ua-cam.com/video/fd_pwm9q2aw/v-deo.html
The top speed issue you can solve it by changing sprockets. I'd go for 2 teeth down on the rear one. Suspension seems superior to the Honda even though and surprisingly, the rebound dumping looked stiff. I would definitely buy this one over the Honda and have saved 3.000e to travel.
I have never found a bike with higher than standard gearing an improvement over the manufacturer’s original. Having ridden the Voge I can’t see it being the exception to the rule. I love the way it feels so lively and I can promise you that when I pick mine up it won’t be heading down any main roads at 110kph, that’s not the environment it’s designed to be in and certainly won’t be where I enjoy riding it.
Nice review, thanks Truly it seems a decent bike, we will see after 100.000km how it holds up, CRF300 here costs 6200€ and you have to add back suspension , about 400€, or new spring and maybe bars, but its honda and you know that at least the engine and the fairings are good, on the other side voge is ready when you buy it with total cost of 4650€, hard decision for me, On an other note Benelli is planing to release BKX250, really beautiful on on / off bike, from specs it seems more on than off, sadly only 250cc but I'm glad that the category is getting more models.
Thanks for the great review! I think it's a lot of bike for the price. Perhaps the owner removed the crash bars to save weight? Must admit I've never managed to damage any part of any of the many dual-purpose bikes I've owned - in the area that those crash bars are/were fitted. I hardly ever need to travel at more than 110km/h, so this bike seems like a winner to me.
I feel that Chinese bikes are a short term ownership compared to other country brands. I lived in china for long enough to realise some of the materials used are inferior to other countries materials such as steel, stainless, electrical parts, and I think this relates to India maybe. But it all becomes relevant due to price difference between say a Chinese bike and Japanese bike, Chinese bikes will keep improving slowly but expect equivalent prices to say Japanese. After all that and I’ve just bought a scram 411, but I couldn’t let go of my Ducati Scrambler 1100, that would be sacrilege. Great bit of riding by the way
Great review with nicely evaluated pros and cons. Is there a chance that engine gets better after first 5000 km? Just idea that maybe it was not yet settled...
Excelente teste. No que diz respeito à altura da moto, os mais baixinhos já têm disponivel um lit de bielas para a baixar ate aos 89cm. Prova que a marca está atenta sos detalhes. Quanto ao futuro da marca, está mais q preparada, sendo o pós venda um dos pontos fortes da marca c stock de peças muito acima da media daquilo q os portugueses estao habituados. Nao tenho a minima dúvida que a Voge veio p ficar.!
I think it is a good motorcycle with an accessible price for all pockets and as a first motorcycle or motorcycle for outings to the countryside to have fun without fear of breaking it, it is an unbeatable option. I also believe that the engine of the CRF 300 is also produced by Loncin and then assembled in Thailand. Thanks for the video and take care.
I test ride it for a short time, agree with you the suspensions are terrible. The frame honestly is a good frame, yep maybe a little heavy of a bike given its dimensions but let’s keep in mind is not an enduro race bike. Carrying a little weight makes also the bike a little less nervous and vibrating at highway speed which is something these bikes must be able to do. I did not buy the cfr because for my riding style that engine is a little too breathless neither I ll throw a leg over this Chinese copy, but still the cfr is and will be a very good choice for a lot of riders.
@@scldma114 Probably from the point view of your country. Suspension it's deffinetly poor quality but the frame I found it's very good. Very good Geometry, very good balance, very good stability on high speed on road, it never wowble on road even with two persons. Suspension and painting it' s only two downsize I found after 12.000kms.
Olá Diogo. Bem para começar, tens uma qualidade incrível, quer de imagem, som e conteúdo. As filmagens que fazes com a 360, são um mimo! Muitos parabéns. Tenho estado aqui a explorar um pouco os teus vídeos e tenho gostado bastante, especialmente estas pequenas motas de aventura. E já agora, tens algum vídeo com 125cc road legal? Desde que passei a ter uma casa no Alentejo, passei a olhar para os vários caminhos em terra batida e o BTT fica tão aquém daquilo que há para explorar e a minha 600cc de estrada não permite bem esse tipo de caminhos. Vá, permite mas o dono não se sente nada confiante para isso 🤣 Mais dia menos dia tenho de arranjar alguma mota para essas andanças. Continuação de bons vídeos!
Vivas Bruno, obrigado por veres e por comentares! Ha muito tempo que nao me sento numa 125, mas fui muito feliz numa XR125L ha uns anos...uma motinha de cidade com apetência suficiente em offroad para dar os primeiros (e grandes) passos 😁😁 Fiz 3 percuros do transportugal nela (+/- o equivalente ao moderno Les a Les offroad) e na altura quem me acompanhou foi o Joao na sua CRM50. Bons tempos, na cilindrada da inocência xD .
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Eu confesso. Só me sentei 3 vezes em uma 125. Uma CBF e uma scooter alugadas por umas horas e a Varadero 125 do meu pai 🤣 As vezes penso é que até poderia encontrar algo engraçado para usar por lá e que, não teria a despesa habitual de algo com uma cilindrada superior. Será algo a explorar melhor. 😁
Thats the thing with "chinese" bikes... they have different bikes with the same name (and same bikes with different names). In south-america for instance, the VOGE has a carb instead of electronic injection. I couldn't confirm this, but as far as I clould tell, the Portuguese/european version has 240mm of travel
Can't find exact parameters for the drive ratios, but is sounds like it has shorter gearing than 300l. I have had another loncin motorbike (250 engine), it was pretty good, and it cost me less than 2k USD (even after 40% import tax), but HP/Torque metrics never exactly reached said values. This 300 engine was on a dynojet stand in 300DS (same engine), and reached ~25HP, 24KG/M according to "Δοκιμές ΜΟΤΟ" Now, looking at the cruise speed, it is, perhaps, more comparable to 250l rather than 300l? (Voge is still cheaper than used 250l >_>)
Seems like a great bike at the price since most of these smaller bikes tend to be gateway or beginner bikes that people only really keep for a year or two. It make a lot of sense to save the €3000+ difference between this and the CRF and put it toward the bike you actually want. The CRF is a Honda Thailand bike too not a Japanese product so not quite a s premium as it looks at 1st glance. Also I wouldn’t write off the Loncin motor as there will be 10x more produced and used in a massive range of bikes, I bet AliExpress etc is full of standard and tuning parts already or complete motors for peanuts
Why does everyone who tests the Voge place so much emphasis on it’s ability to ride flat out on fast roads? That’s so far away from the environment it’s designed to enjoy.
Dear friend, I hope you have a good time in your new stage on youtube. I was one of those people who from time to time saw your videos on board your xt660. Greetings. Keep up your reviews, and I hope you help people to make the best. Miss you.
Hi, thinking on your feet as you go along , practical common sense , may be a change of engine sprocket would lower the revs for road speed . Thanks for the video, take care .🤔
hello, first of all the positive point of this motorcycle is to have more choice on the market and to stir up the big manufacturers because there is unfortunately little choice. just look at the single-cylinder market in 600 cc 701 and 690 m^me motorcycle and AJPR PR 7 and that's it. the rest of the market is devoted to big trail running. (I would not speak of the enduro market which is separate and limited in its use). I want to go back to what you say 160kg la Voge is not light at all. I have a 2010 250 WR R that I prepared and lightened. 32 HP for 125kg empty. Ø46 adjustable fork and same rear shock absorber. large 18L IMS tank. I left the original transmission from 13/43. on the road, do not exceed 90 km/h at cruising speed. but off road it's a pure pleasure. I did the TET Portugal on a T 700 Teneré with a friend on his KTM 690 E from 2013. and frankly if I had to do it alone, I think I would take the 250 WR R. To return to the Voge it's still entry level and it takes all budgets. it is necessary to see in time the reliability with intensive users. thanks for this video.... Ps: from 2015 to 2017 before my 250 WR R, I had a 660 XTR that I prepared (torque engine, very bad original shock absorbers, non-adjustable soft fork, comfortable seat. mine weighed 172 kg) When will a 600 mono Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki?!!!!
Se ela tiver algum torque de sobra em baixas para o off-road, um pinhão de ataque com mais um dente assentará aí bastante bem, pois dará outra folga ao motor permitindo aumentar um pouco a velocidade sem se sentir que já vai a estragar. Fiz isso mesmo na minha Honda nx4 do mato, e só notei melhorias. Embora sejam motores completamente diferentes.
@@OFFroadOFFcourse sim nestes casos vale bem a pena. No caso da velha nx4 de carburador, o motor é tipo trator em baixas. Mas em estrada a andar mais rápido, facilmente saía do sweetspot dela. Resultado: Fazia mais rotação, andava menos e gastava mais. Foi uma daquelas alterações low cost que valeram muito a pena.
Its a tough question. First of all lets take out of the way the resell value, the reliability, etc etc (because i dont know how this bike will be in2-5 years) and focus only on the performance/weight/size, etc: I think the answer is yes, it would be a nice bike to teach adventure riding / leisure dual-sport, etc, but not for an "enduro school" or anything like that obviously. But, something to think about: the nav tower isnt that useful on a school bike, and its an additional thing to break/scratch. In that sense i would prefer a simpler bike like the crf300L.
Nothing against honda, but the oil volume in the crf 300 engine is 1.8 liters. The voge has 1.5 liters. 300 extra milliliters gives +7000 to mileage before change? Or crf300 somehow burns gasoline in a special way? Or is it about ecology? Well, for cars they write 15 - 20 thousand kilometers before replacement, and for transmissions in general "whole life". Nobody will look at valves every 5000 kilometers, when they start ringing, then it makes sense to get in there. Regarding maximum speed: standard sprockets: 14-48 give quite a big gear ratio - 3,428. Put the leading sprocket on 15 teeth and you will get +7 km per hour at the same rpm, with no loss in traction.
Hello! Well, if you are very demanding with your suspensions, then i guess that you will eventually want something better. But comparing to the crf (like i assume you are doing), this one is much more capable of holding your weight up with the stock springs (if you tune up the preload a bit). I hope this helped 😅
Diago , Thank you for the test on the Voge 300 , do you know if they offer a naked version like the Honda 300L (which I have) and have put needed to Put Rally Raid Suspension on , it looks like the Voge comes better equipped That was a really Good Test Greeting from Ireland
From what I know, this engine is very likely to ask for serious maintenance/repair around 25k. So it can probably serve you well if you're going to use it for weekend offroading, but if you're planning to travel, especially travel a lot, you better take the Honda. I don't know if the problem is with this particular chinese motor, or original Kawi has the same issue.
I am entirely unconvinced by manufacturers quoted service intervals. I wound never go the full Honda quoted distance between services. If you think about it, it’s a selling advantage to quote long service intervals and it will inevitably limit engine life. So for the manufacture, it’s a win win. 😂
Honda and Voge give 2+3 years guaranty and there is where the problems starts for you or the manufacturer. Honda will not give you 5 years of guaranty with no kilometer limit and 24/7 services , if they don't believe in their products. Voge's 5 years guaranty is only for bikes greater than 450cc. With that in mind your story doesn't make that much sense anymore, is it?
@@hermanstokbrood my point is really only that quoted service intervalsx are a trade off between engineering and sales (cost of ownership) requirements. I have always gone short on service intervals. That and I have never bought new because I let others pay the premium and I can assess condition without much difficulty.
@@robinwells8879 Well, my argument still stands. Even when you are buying a used Honda after 5 years. Honda has a huge confidence looking at the warranty conditions.
@@hermanstokbrood absolutely a right. As the owner of a 2008 Honda @ 40k miles I know why they have confidence. I still do my oil change every 4-5k miles 😂
Excelente review. Oxalá que apareça mais motas do género. Porque muito sinceramente não entendo o motivo da CRF300 Rally não estar disponível para o nosso mercado. Assim pode ser que as grandes marcas comecem a acordar. Falta agora experimentares a scrambler Macbor Eight Mile 500. Continuação do óptimo trabalho...
Great review as always. But can you confirm that euro 5 version sold in Europe have 240mm of fork travel? I found on Spanish Voge site this info ( 240mm de recorrido efectivo (205 mm de recorrido homologado) But on Italian , Greek, Scandinavian Voge sites its 205mm and even the fork diameter is 37mm. Who to trust? I know carburated model was 240mm both sides but for Euro 5 version specification data are really confusing. Dealer in my country(N.Macedonia) is doing sales without having one in showroom. Thank you.
Outra coisa que estava para perguntar a tua opinião mas passou me, não é estranho que a Kawasaki venda a Klx 300 em que o motor é fabricado na China mas por ser Kawasaki tem intervalos de manutenção de 10000 ou 12000 km já a versão completa da China venha com intervalos mais curtos?? O mesmo pode ser dito do modelo DSX 650 da Voge que fabricava este mesmo motor para a BMW gs mas na BMW os intervalos são de 10000km já na Voge são menores, isto não tem sentido nenhum, aliás estes modelos não são os únicos em que acho que os intervalos de manutenção não passam de puro negócio com concessionárias em vez de ter alguma honestidade. Vejam o caso da Royal Enfield himalayan que com um motor de 411cc refrigerado a Ar/óleo tem trocas de óleo de 10000km isto devia de ser impossível para este tipo de motores que por ser do estilo adventure vai estar sujeita a um uso mais exaustivo do motor e embreagem, no entanto um motor como o da Dr 650 que tem músculo e é igualmente um lazyboy de baixa rotação tem trocas de óleo de 5000 ou 6000 km... Não faz sentido.
Estas a levantar questões super interessantes, mas honestamente não tenho uma teoria pessoal (ou informada) para partilhar :o A fama "dos chineses" (perdoa-me o julgamento) é de não ter grandes problemas em ser desonestos e de querer lucro fácil, logo segundo essa lógica até seria de esperar anunciarems intervalos de manutenção grandes de mais (para nos convencer a comprar, e depois logo se via...), por isso pergunto-me quem é que define estes intervalos :o Por outro lado, se a KLX300 tem intervalos de 10k e esta de 5k, ou lá o que é, pode simplesmente querer dizer que os materiais la dentro (ou as tolerancias de montagem) nao são as mesmas... Nao sei..de facto nao sei o que concluir, mas aqui ha gato provavelmente :P
unfortunatly this voge has a major vibration problem starting 7500 rpm...so it's not suitable to drive more than 100 for a long time...which is sad for an adventure bike, a part of this it s not bad for the money
Parabéns pelo canal e pelo trabalho👍.. Se tiveres oportunidade gostava de ver uma review da Mash X Ride Trail é a nova versão com jante 21 ou seja se a primeira versão já era uma mota ao estilo Yamaha XT 500 a nova versão ainda ficou melhor com as actualizações 👋. É uma verdadeira Dual Sport Clássica com um motor réplica da Honda Dominator ou Fmx 650 mas que foi actualizado pelos chineses com Injeção e radiador de óleo respeitando assim a norma Euro 5. Basicamente é uma Dual Sport para lazer sem a competição á mistura mas por usar um motor da Velha Guarda era bacano ver uns vídeos Off Road 👍...
I bought 2 xt500 that were ratty for £175 each. It took a beating in the outback in sand in south australia with an rd400 swing arm. It was transport for several months so paid for itself.
Hi Diogo. No, the engines are not made by Kawasaki or Honda. The Japanese manufaturers never haven't given their engines to Loncin; but, as you can see, both engines (Japanece and chinese) are quite similars, this it's cause the patent of some engines from Japanese brands are expired, and, off course, the Chinese, literally, (and legally), copied them. I don't know the reliability to long term for the Loncin engine in the 300 Rally, but, they are habitual manufacturers for KTM and BMW, maybe must be reliabile...or not. Just only the time can be judge the reliability; it will depend to a large degree of the materials used, and quiality control. But, for less than 5K...you don't can expect the refinement and reliability of the Honda or Kawasaki. As we say in Spain, "nobody gives you 5 euros for 3 euros value". Have a nice day.
Thank you for watching the video and for your thoughts! Yes I agree... 5k is a very good value... and probably it will last long enough to justify that amount :) especially when you really want a CRF300 Rally and you cannot buy it cause you are portuguese, spanish or french! ahaha
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Why the manufacturers don't talk with the motorcycle riders? Why they insist to make a big, heavy and expensive adventure bikes, plenty of NASA technology that nobody needs, why don't we have more 300cc or, (better for me), a 400cc "adv" bikes at affordable price? It's so difficult make a simple, lightweight "trail", reliable, decent power (40 - 50cv could be great), regulable suspensions, capacity for carry some luggage and a long maintenence intervals? AJP was in the right direcction, but, i don't know, marketing problems? overpriced?. Here in Spain, i never, i repeat, never seen any one of the AJP bikes riding. A shame... Maybe this topic could be an idea for your next video? maybe... Thanks for make a so interesting content
@@OFFroadOFFcourse well its complicated 😅 in my country Iran we are not allowed to ride more than 250cc motorcycles... and this bike came by a different engine! They put a 225cc engine from their Enduro bike but everything is the same! Now i ride it ab 8 thousands and the bolts that hold the engine are start to loose... rhe rear break disk ended... and gearing is harder... but everything is ok right now
@@WildRoobi Maybe that 225cc engine wasn't attached properly :o Do you have any cool 250cc bikes there that we dont have in europe? I know that for you, it must suck to be limited to "small bikes", but in a way its liberating if everyone is riding the same "class" :D
@@OFFroadOFFcoursethe engine is for a bike from loncin too... And problem is brand ones are to expensive here like crf or klx... so the only option is Chinese or our country made bikes. I don't think we have special one that u don't have... u have all the fun😉
mais uma vez obrigado pela exelente partilha, sim este tipo de motas é sempre bom aparecerem pois fazem os fabricantes "grandes" melhorar os seus preços e qualidade. neste tipo de fabricantes novos que aparecem pois tem esse grande se não que referiste que depois pode ser dificil conseguir peças de sustituição entre outras coisas mas ai ou quem a tem se safa com material de outras marcas "transformando" ou então esperar uns anos se a marca vai "vingar" ou não. Mas realmente gosto que apareçam destas no mercado pelo que já referi e também agora aqui talvez mais pessoal de ter saudade das old schold que era tão bom voltarem a aparecer eheh, abraços.
why dont you ride with safety gear on? one misstake on your part or any other motor vehicle and your toast.. you allways lose on a motorcylce incident.. its so, sorry to say dumb to watch people trying to be "pro reviewers" riding around like nothing could ever go wrong. dress for the slide not the ride.
Even though I am sorry to set a bad example, i am confident on my skills and know and I am not going to crash a 300cc dual-sport riding around at 30km/h on my backyard (even if i did, i wouldnt injure myself in anyway worth worrying about)... I've been riding fo 20 years, 10 of them as a professional. When I am shooting my videos riding the bike is only 10% of it..the other 90% is me stopping every 30 secs change cameras, turn on microphones, change locations, talk to the camera, etc etc. Believe me, you don't want to do that with full protective gear when its 30-35ºC in Portugal :/
This review of Chinese manufacturing as seen in used oil by Fortnine puts me off Chinese bikes. Plus comments from breakdown recovery drivers saying it’s mostly chines bikes they pick up. I know it’s not every manufacturer but they will need to do more to convince me at least that their bikes are ok. ua-cam.com/video/9GAUo8eUXeU/v-deo.html
its what we have nowadays in the dual-sport segment :( The good news is that we usually get huge maintenance intervals...the CRF300L changes oil every 12000km. Its insane :D
We have Euro 5 here though, a lot of dual sport bikes you can buy in the US are not commercialized in Europe. I'm not against Euro, but you have far more choices in this segment.
@@crazyRyoga other then the big 5 but Europe get all the cheap and cool stuff but I get your point but for a new 300 cc duel sport your looking at 8 to 10 k usd and I'll pass on someone's clapped out bike from the 2000s
Hi Diogo...I will spend my money on a crf l,use the ,,left over,,money from buying a rally on slightly better suspension perhaps but maybe wait half a year to see if the crf 300 l is enough for my skill level and intended terrain.....only a pity that like most manufacturers Honda has a delivery problem!
Thanks again for the excellent 3 day training this last month!It has been great and i learned so much and it boosted my confidence a lot!I would recommend everyone to do a course since learning it by yourself can be very expensive,painfull and not as much fun as with a good instructor.
Hey Robert! Because of your wise and convenient words, i pinned your comment to the top xD
Thank you! It was a pleasure to meet you and an honour to be "responsible" for your future adventures :p
@@OFFroadOFFcourse nice video bat stop music plz
After a bit of research, it is the same engine design as the klx 300. Same bore and stroke. Same CC. And loncin makes the engine for kawasaki. So top speed should be OK with new sprocket like klx300. That's a lot of bike for the cash!
Very interesting review of a dirt cheap bike (pun intended). Two years ago I tried the Voge 300 AC in Paris and suburbs, that was pretty good for the money, although for me a 300 of 160 kg is far too heavy . I didn't buy it just for a very personal reason, I prefer bikes with some power at any RPM so 300 cc is too small. The sad thing that a 450 mono wouldn't not be heavier nor more expensive at the end. But Voge has already an "adventure" twin 500 to sell, so forget a 400-450 mono...
Being an old guy, I've been too much spoiled with my dirt bikes; a XR 250 R cc 108 kg 26 HP prepared I kept a very long time, a XR 400 R kited 400cc 38 HP at the rear wheel, 135 kg dry prepared for raid with big tank 13 liters plus 8 liters auxiliary tank plus luggage bags and protectors, and a XR 600 R 50 HP at the rear wheel prepared 120 kg (too brutal for a relaxed adventure at low revs, so I sold it as the 400 was far more efficient, bigger is not synonym of better).
The efficiency in adventure is a comfortable bike easy to ride so you do not get tired, even in technical passages so 400 km of trails in a 10 to 12 hours journey are not a problem. You won't have an accident because your bike has exhausted you. Your ass is not a pain, your vertebrae are in good shape, your left hand doesn't ache, the vibrations have not left you numb and dumb. After a night and a good coffee you'll be ready for a new day without needing illicit substances.
I almost forgot that all these bikes had at least 260 mm of suspension travel.
So I stay ice cold when seen the specs of today. Maybe the 690 KTM, but I had a so bad experience with this brand that I have eczema and tremors when I hear the name. Reliability was not the motto of KTM.
Some objective facts I've found about Voge. It's a true brand, not a rebranded imported low quality Chinese bike so common in Europe.
Voge is the premium brand of the LONCIN factory located in China in the Chongqing region. LONCIN MOTOR CO LTD was founded in 1993. It integrates manufacturing enterprises of generator sets, agricultural machinery, light power units and two-wheeled motorcycles. More than 6,000 employees. It has always made motorcycles, small displacement scooters and quads. Its production, mainly intended for domestic market, turned to export in the 2000s.
The company makes engines for different occidental brands (some do not want to tell that they are using engines or principal components made in China) including BMW since more than 6 years (750 and 850 twins, the C650 is made by Kymko in Taiwan, and the 310 is made in India but the prices in Europe remain at German level, and in fact the CR300 Honda is made in Vietnam). So Loncin obtained a transfer of technology. Loncin exports vehicles in a lot of countries, mainly South East Asia and Latin America.
Loncin Motor Co. Ltd is listed on the Shanghai Stock Exchange. If the company looks at first sight solid, (more than most European motorcycle brands), finally all the service depends on the importer/distributor financial capacity of waiting enough sales and having a good net of local sellers. The guarantee in France is 3 years. That seems rather good but the great difference with the Japanese is that Loncin has not an European subsidiary company, so it depends totally of the quality of the national importer. That can become problematic, as we have seen for some brands murdered by the importers.
Many questions without answer. Brands like Voge should help to publish reliability tests 20000 km and far more like 50000 km to establish a reputation. For the Fantic 500 using a Chinese engine we have the data from Berotec over 17000 km...In conclusion I would say that the Chinese serious brands are in situation similar to the Japanese at the middle of the sixties.
Respect for the experience!
The fact that they export to Southeast Asia and Latin America actually speaks for them. Marketing can now be done well via UA-cam, if necessary also in the form of repair tutorials. An excellent supply of spare parts worldwide/Europe with short delivery times would be important for success. So that customers can help themselves at short notice or with the help of independent workshops. Self-help or improvisation is not uncommon in the enduro travel sector. (I hope Locin is reading here) We'll see...
Btw. They can hardly be worse than KTM...
@@bicmac333 The engine is the good old Kawasaki KLX 300 that Loncin has made since ages.
It is one year later now and the warranty in Portugal is 5 years. Also some positive longer term reviews, one of 10.000 km.
I still havent bought one. ...I wonder if a GRF exhaust (recommended by the importer) and a smaller front sprocket can solve the low top speed problem. If I can cruise at 110 on the highway without feeling like I am torturing the bike, I am happy.
A long time late,r I can give some information about the reliability of the 300 Rally.
Voge is selling a lot in Latin America, and there are in Argentina some Voge 300 Rally with more than 30000 km, and one guy 50000 km without any problem. I'm not surprised it's the old good well proven KLX engine.
In Spain the Voge 300 Rally has been sold as hot bread. There are several channels on YT, all in Spanish. There are 4 guys with 4 Rally who have made 3500 km offroad in Morocco with just 1 flat front tire (channel Vogeando). The channel Viajando con Mabre has several interesting videos. This athletic guy has taken a Voge Rally (with NO modifications) in the "Xtreme 300 de Pozoblanco" and made 300 km WOT, so full gas that the consumption went up to 7 liters/100 km. No problem. That means he stayed WOT using all the 25 hp, the kind of thing never a amateur owner will do to his bike.
So happy that he took the same bike to The Hellas Rally 2023 in Greece, 7 days race in pretty harsh condition under a lot of rain. One problem day 4, that was a faulty connector from the alternator to the regulator full of mud (that's lack of preparation, silicon is your friend when sealing all these silly connectors). None problem with the engine.
An English guy has made some long travels and none problem.
The premium Chinese brands are now here like the Japanese in the and seventies.
For those talking about Honda reliability the CRF are made in China and assembled in Vietnam, no Japanese has been harmed making it...The Triumph are made in Thailand...The KTM 390 are made in India and lots of parts including complete engines of the big KTM are made in China by CFM Moto who has now also a partnership with Yamaha.
And Kove is now selling the 450 Rally. Almost a unicorn, arriving in France for 10000€.. Jimmy Lewis (winner of the Dakar, gold medalist of the ISDT, winner of several Bajas) makes a detailed test of the bike for Dirt Bike Test. I say nothing, just see the video ua-cam.com/video/fd_pwm9q2aw/v-deo.html
wow thanks!
The top speed issue you can solve it by changing sprockets. I'd go for 2 teeth down on the rear one.
Suspension seems superior to the Honda even though and surprisingly, the rebound dumping looked stiff.
I would definitely buy this one over the Honda and have saved 3.000e to travel.
I have never found a bike with higher than standard gearing an improvement over the manufacturer’s original. Having ridden the Voge I can’t see it being the exception to the rule. I love the way it feels so lively and I can promise you that when I pick mine up it won’t be heading down any main roads at 110kph, that’s not the environment it’s designed to be in and certainly won’t be where I enjoy riding it.
As i am a novice rioder, watching you riding withouit the uper protective gear gave me chills...
Nice review, thanks Truly it seems a decent bike, we will see after 100.000km how it holds up, CRF300 here costs 6200€ and you have to add back suspension , about 400€, or new spring and maybe bars, but its honda and you know that at least the engine and the fairings are good, on the other side voge is ready when you buy it with total cost of 4650€, hard decision for me, On an other note Benelli is planing to release BKX250, really beautiful on on / off bike, from specs it seems more on than off, sadly only 250cc but I'm glad that the category is getting more models.
you're a beast of a rider, great review thanks.
Thanks for your thoughts on this bike I've been riding this bike now for the last two months on and off road and have to say I can't fault it. Lewis
The kove 450 looks amazing. I wouldnt have touched a chinese bike as i saw a chinese part fail iso9001 on tolerances etc about 8 years ago
so you won't be buying a CRF then?? The parts are made in China, then shipped out for assembly
Thanks for the great review! I think it's a lot of bike for the price. Perhaps the owner removed the crash bars to save weight? Must admit I've never managed to damage any part of any of the many dual-purpose bikes I've owned - in the area that those crash bars are/were fitted. I hardly ever need to travel at more than 110km/h, so this bike seems like a winner to me.
这辆车所有的配件 在aliexpress上面都可以找到
DG, Excellent, balanced review as usual.
That was a really useful review, many thanks indeed! I see from a comment below you run off road skills courses?
I do, here in Portugal :)
Check out my website: offroad-offcourse.com
@@OFFroadOFFcourse many thanks indeed.
I feel that Chinese bikes are a short term ownership compared to other country brands. I lived in china for long enough to realise some of the materials used are inferior to other countries materials such as steel, stainless, electrical parts, and I think this relates to India maybe. But it all becomes relevant due to price difference between say a Chinese bike and Japanese bike, Chinese bikes will keep improving slowly but expect equivalent prices to say Japanese. After all that and I’ve just bought a scram 411, but I couldn’t let go of my Ducati Scrambler 1100, that would be sacrilege. Great bit of riding by the way
I agree with everything you just said... They are "ok", but their market value is bound to drop significantly after a short while
Hi, would it be better to buy a second hand Dominar 400 at the same price .
Great review with nicely evaluated pros and cons. Is there a chance that engine gets better after first 5000 km? Just idea that maybe it was not yet settled...
Excelente teste.
No que diz respeito à altura da moto, os mais baixinhos já têm disponivel um lit de bielas para a baixar ate aos 89cm. Prova que a marca está atenta sos detalhes.
Quanto ao futuro da marca, está mais q preparada, sendo o pós venda um dos pontos fortes da marca c stock de peças muito acima da media daquilo q os portugueses estao habituados. Nao tenho a minima dúvida que a Voge veio p ficar.!
Great review as always.
Thank you
That was brilliant well done. It looks a good bike for the money.
I hope it works out for voice, I like the bikes but brand stability is the key.
Bravo for this video waited for long time ... Greetings from Greece
Voge should do a suzuki DR650 clone with a sorted 3rd gear cog. Its so durable and well designed.
I think it is a good motorcycle with an accessible price for all pockets and as a first motorcycle or motorcycle for outings to the countryside to have fun without fear of breaking it, it is an unbeatable option. I also believe that the engine of the CRF 300 is also produced by Loncin and then assembled in Thailand. Thanks for the video and take care.
Awesome, learned a lot!
Might be a new contender, we'll see how it plays out
Awesome review.
I want to own one
Let's be honest, the only thing good about the 250L and 300L is the engine. Suspension is very poor, and the frame is heavy. Cheers.
I test ride it for a short time, agree with you the suspensions are terrible. The frame honestly is a good frame, yep maybe a little heavy of a bike given its dimensions but let’s keep in mind is not an enduro race bike. Carrying a little weight makes also the bike a little less nervous and vibrating at highway speed which is something these bikes must be able to do. I did not buy the cfr because for my riding style that engine is a little too breathless neither I ll throw a leg over this Chinese copy, but still the cfr is and will be a very good choice for a lot of riders.
@@scldma114 Probably from the point view of your country. Suspension it's deffinetly poor quality but the frame I found it's very good. Very good Geometry, very good balance, very good stability on high speed on road, it never wowble on road even with two persons. Suspension and painting it' s only two downsize I found after 12.000kms.
Bravo Diego. Consiglieresti questa moto ad uno alto 1.90 ?
Obrigado Diogo pela review! Excelente trabalho como sempre. Continua por favor ☺️!
Olá Diogo. Bem para começar, tens uma qualidade incrível, quer de imagem, som e conteúdo.
As filmagens que fazes com a 360, são um mimo! Muitos parabéns.
Tenho estado aqui a explorar um pouco os teus vídeos e tenho gostado bastante, especialmente estas pequenas motas de aventura.
E já agora, tens algum vídeo com 125cc road legal?
Desde que passei a ter uma casa no Alentejo, passei a olhar para os vários caminhos em terra batida e o BTT fica tão aquém daquilo que há para explorar e a minha 600cc de estrada não permite bem esse tipo de caminhos. Vá, permite mas o dono não se sente nada confiante para isso 🤣
Mais dia menos dia tenho de arranjar alguma mota para essas andanças.
Continuação de bons vídeos!
Vivas Bruno, obrigado por veres e por comentares!
Ha muito tempo que nao me sento numa 125, mas fui muito feliz numa XR125L ha uns anos...uma motinha de cidade com apetência suficiente em offroad para dar os primeiros (e grandes) passos 😁😁
Fiz 3 percuros do transportugal nela (+/- o equivalente ao moderno Les a Les offroad) e na altura quem me acompanhou foi o Joao na sua CRM50. Bons tempos, na cilindrada da inocência xD
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@@OFFroadOFFcourse Eu confesso. Só me sentei 3 vezes em uma 125. Uma CBF e uma scooter alugadas por umas horas e a Varadero 125 do meu pai 🤣
As vezes penso é que até poderia encontrar algo engraçado para usar por lá e que, não teria a despesa habitual de algo com uma cilindrada superior. Será algo a explorar melhor. 😁
240mm suspension travel? They are stating on their homepage a travel of 205mm in the front.
Thats the thing with "chinese" bikes... they have different bikes with the same name (and same bikes with different names). In south-america for instance, the VOGE has a carb instead of electronic injection.
I couldn't confirm this, but as far as I clould tell, the Portuguese/european version has 240mm of travel
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I have found the information on the homepage of the general importer for Germany. But possible it's just a wrong copy paste.
Can't find exact parameters for the drive ratios, but is sounds like it has shorter gearing than 300l.
I have had another loncin motorbike (250 engine), it was pretty good, and it cost me less than 2k USD (even after 40% import tax), but HP/Torque metrics never exactly reached said values. This 300 engine was on a dynojet stand in 300DS (same engine), and reached ~25HP, 24KG/M according to "Δοκιμές ΜΟΤΟ"
Now, looking at the cruise speed, it is, perhaps, more comparable to 250l rather than 300l?
(Voge is still cheaper than used 250l >_>)
Seems like a great bike at the price since most of these smaller bikes tend to be gateway or beginner bikes that people only really keep for a year or two.
It make a lot of sense to save the €3000+ difference between this and the CRF and put it toward the bike you actually want.
The CRF is a Honda Thailand bike too not a Japanese product so not quite a s premium as it looks at 1st glance.
Also I wouldn’t write off the Loncin motor as there will be 10x more produced and used in a massive range of bikes, I bet AliExpress etc is full of standard and tuning parts already or complete motors for peanuts
Always enjoy your videos and this one was no exception! Great work!
Visst blir man lite sugen på en extra hoj i garaget ;-) särskilt för det priset :-)
@@McPappan ja verkligen! Jag är ju ett fan av lätta hojar. 😀
Why does everyone who tests the Voge place so much emphasis on it’s ability to ride flat out on fast roads? That’s so far away from the environment it’s designed to enjoy.
Dear friend, I hope you have a good time in your new stage on youtube. I was one of those people who from time to time saw your videos on board your xt660. Greetings. Keep up your reviews, and I hope you help people to make the best. Miss you.
Hi, thinking on your feet as you go along , practical common sense , may be a change of engine sprocket would lower the revs for road speed . Thanks for the video, take care .🤔
hello, first of all the positive point of this motorcycle is to have more choice on the market and to stir up the big manufacturers because there is unfortunately little choice. just look at the single-cylinder market in 600 cc 701 and 690 m^me motorcycle and AJPR PR 7 and that's it. the rest of the market is devoted to big trail running.
(I would not speak of the enduro market which is separate and limited in its use).
I want to go back to what you say 160kg la Voge is not light at all.
I have a 2010 250 WR R that I prepared and lightened. 32 HP for 125kg empty. Ø46 adjustable fork and same rear shock absorber. large 18L IMS tank. I left the original transmission from 13/43.
on the road, do not exceed 90 km/h at cruising speed.
but off road it's a pure pleasure. I did the TET Portugal on a T 700 Teneré with a friend on his KTM 690 E from 2013.
and frankly if I had to do it alone, I think I would take the 250 WR R.
To return to the Voge it's still entry level and it takes all budgets. it is necessary to see in time the reliability with intensive users.
thanks for this video....
Ps: from 2015 to 2017 before my 250 WR R, I had a 660 XTR that I prepared (torque engine, very bad original shock absorbers, non-adjustable soft fork, comfortable seat. mine weighed 172 kg)
When will a 600 mono Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki?!!!!
Se ela tiver algum torque de sobra em baixas para o off-road, um pinhão de ataque com mais um dente assentará aí bastante bem, pois dará outra folga ao motor permitindo aumentar um pouco a velocidade sem se sentir que já vai a estragar.
Fiz isso mesmo na minha Honda nx4 do mato, e só notei melhorias. Embora sejam motores completamente diferentes.
Sim, se comprasse a Voge acho q lhe tentaria alongar um pouco a transmissao. Era capaz de resultar bem, pq ela tem força que chegue (acho)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse sim nestes casos vale bem a pena.
No caso da velha nx4 de carburador, o motor é tipo trator em baixas. Mas em estrada a andar mais rápido, facilmente saía do sweetspot dela.
Resultado: Fazia mais rotação, andava menos e gastava mais. Foi uma daquelas alterações low cost que valeram muito a pena.
Very good vid thanks good bike.
this seemed good and fair, sorry to asume prejudice !
What’s the service intervals??
Hi Diogo, just to be clear, would you advice it for a off-road riding school?
Its a tough question.
First of all lets take out of the way the resell value, the reliability, etc etc (because i dont know how this bike will be in2-5 years) and focus only on the performance/weight/size, etc:
I think the answer is yes, it would be a nice bike to teach adventure riding / leisure dual-sport, etc, but not for an "enduro school" or anything like that obviously.
But, something to think about: the nav tower isnt that useful on a school bike, and its an additional thing to break/scratch. In that sense i would prefer a simpler bike like the crf300L.
sym nht 300 or voge rally 300 rally?
Nothing against honda, but the oil volume in the crf 300 engine is 1.8 liters. The voge has 1.5 liters. 300 extra milliliters gives +7000 to mileage before change? Or crf300 somehow burns gasoline in a special way? Or is it about ecology? Well, for cars they write 15 - 20 thousand kilometers before replacement, and for transmissions in general "whole life". Nobody will look at valves every 5000 kilometers, when they start ringing, then it makes sense to get in there.
Regarding maximum speed: standard sprockets: 14-48 give quite a big gear ratio - 3,428. Put the leading sprocket on 15 teeth and you will get +7 km per hour at the same rpm, with no loss in traction.
Im 2 meter tall and 100 kg in weight ! Is this bike good for me ? I dont want to spent another 1000 bucks in harder suspension !
Hello! Well, if you are very demanding with your suspensions, then i guess that you will eventually want something better. But comparing to the crf (like i assume you are doing), this one is much more capable of holding your weight up with the stock springs (if you tune up the preload a bit).
I hope this helped 😅
Diago , Thank you for the test on the Voge 300 , do you know if they offer a naked version like the Honda 300L (which I have) and have put needed to Put Rally Raid Suspension on , it looks like the Voge comes better equipped That was a really Good Test Greeting from Ireland
From what I know, this engine is very likely to ask for serious maintenance/repair around 25k.
So it can probably serve you well if you're going to use it for weekend offroading, but if you're planning to travel, especially travel a lot, you better take the Honda.
I don't know if the problem is with this particular chinese motor, or original Kawi has the same issue.
Hello im a new to to motorcycles and i was planning on buying a voge rally can you explain me why what is wrong?
I am entirely unconvinced by manufacturers quoted service intervals. I wound never go the full Honda quoted distance between services. If you think about it, it’s a selling advantage to quote long service intervals and it will inevitably limit engine life. So for the manufacture, it’s a win win. 😂
Honda and Voge give 2+3 years guaranty and there is where the problems starts for you or the manufacturer. Honda will not give you 5 years of guaranty with no kilometer limit and 24/7 services , if they don't believe in their products. Voge's 5 years guaranty is only for bikes greater than 450cc. With that in mind your story doesn't make that much sense anymore, is it?
@@hermanstokbrood my point is really only that quoted service intervalsx are a trade off between engineering and sales (cost of ownership) requirements. I have always gone short on service intervals. That and I have never bought new because I let others pay the premium and I can assess condition without much difficulty.
@@robinwells8879 Well, my argument still stands. Even when you are buying a used Honda after 5 years. Honda has a huge confidence looking at the warranty conditions.
@@hermanstokbrood absolutely a right. As the owner of a 2008 Honda @ 40k miles I know why they have confidence. I still do my oil change every 4-5k miles 😂
Thanks from Italy. I could underatand tour english . Thanks you. Great
You can adjust the rear suspension on this bike
Yes, thats what i say at 3:15
@@OFFroadOFFcourse nice thank you, and very good video
Que buen vídeo!! Y con subtítulos en español, gracias me suscribo a vuestro canal
Excelente review. Oxalá que apareça mais motas do género. Porque muito sinceramente não entendo o motivo da CRF300 Rally não estar disponível para o nosso mercado. Assim pode ser que as grandes marcas comecem a acordar. Falta agora experimentares a scrambler Macbor Eight Mile 500. Continuação do óptimo trabalho...
Boa noite, que tal uns testes e opiniões sobre a AGP SPR 250 ;)
Hello: the handle bar and the rings, are in aluminium?
Thanks for the review! How tall are you? Because I'm just 174 cm.😅😊
Nice review my friend the bike looks pretty good!
Great review as always. But can you confirm that euro 5 version sold in Europe have 240mm of fork travel? I found on Spanish Voge site this info ( 240mm de recorrido efectivo (205 mm de recorrido homologado) But on Italian , Greek, Scandinavian Voge sites its 205mm and even the fork diameter is 37mm. Who to trust? I know carburated model was 240mm both sides but for Euro 5 version specification data are really confusing. Dealer in my country(N.Macedonia) is doing sales without having one in showroom. Thank you.
Kolko je para u Makedoniji? Kako da uvezemo to u Srbiju ?
Outra coisa que estava para perguntar a tua opinião mas passou me, não é estranho que a Kawasaki venda a Klx 300 em que o motor é fabricado na China mas por ser Kawasaki tem intervalos de manutenção de 10000 ou 12000 km já a versão completa da China venha com intervalos mais curtos?? O mesmo pode ser dito do modelo DSX 650 da Voge que fabricava este mesmo motor para a BMW gs mas na BMW os intervalos são de 10000km já na Voge são menores, isto não tem sentido nenhum, aliás estes modelos não são os únicos em que acho que os intervalos de manutenção não passam de puro negócio com concessionárias em vez de ter alguma honestidade. Vejam o caso da Royal Enfield himalayan que com um motor de 411cc refrigerado a Ar/óleo tem trocas de óleo de 10000km isto devia de ser impossível para este tipo de motores que por ser do estilo adventure vai estar sujeita a um uso mais exaustivo do motor e embreagem, no entanto um motor como o da Dr 650 que tem músculo e é igualmente um lazyboy de baixa rotação tem trocas de óleo de 5000 ou 6000 km... Não faz sentido.
Estas a levantar questões super interessantes, mas honestamente não tenho uma teoria pessoal (ou informada) para partilhar :o
A fama "dos chineses" (perdoa-me o julgamento) é de não ter grandes problemas em ser desonestos e de querer lucro fácil, logo segundo essa lógica até seria de esperar anunciarems intervalos de manutenção grandes de mais (para nos convencer a comprar, e depois logo se via...), por isso pergunto-me quem é que define estes intervalos :o
Por outro lado, se a KLX300 tem intervalos de 10k e esta de 5k, ou lá o que é, pode simplesmente querer dizer que os materiais la dentro (ou as tolerancias de montagem) nao são as mesmas...
Nao sei..de facto nao sei o que concluir, mas aqui ha gato provavelmente :P
Fair review, thanks!
unfortunatly this voge has a major vibration problem starting 7500 rpm...so it's not suitable to drive more than 100 for a long time...which is sad for an adventure bike, a part of this it s not bad for the money
Great review!!
Needs a sprocket size change
Parabéns pelo canal e pelo trabalho👍.. Se tiveres oportunidade gostava de ver uma review da Mash X Ride Trail é a nova versão com jante 21 ou seja se a primeira versão já era uma mota ao estilo Yamaha XT 500 a nova versão ainda ficou melhor com as actualizações 👋. É uma verdadeira Dual Sport Clássica com um motor réplica da Honda Dominator ou Fmx 650 mas que foi actualizado pelos chineses com Injeção e radiador de óleo respeitando assim a norma Euro 5. Basicamente é uma Dual Sport para lazer sem a competição á mistura mas por usar um motor da Velha Guarda era bacano ver uns vídeos Off Road 👍...
Opa, isso parece-me SUPER interessante! Vou tentar arranjar uma para teste :o
I bought 2 xt500 that were ratty for £175 each. It took a beating in the outback in sand in south australia with an rd400 swing arm. It was transport for several months so paid for itself.
Love it
Hi Diogo. No, the engines are not made by Kawasaki or Honda. The Japanese manufaturers never haven't given their engines to Loncin; but, as you can see, both engines (Japanece and chinese) are quite similars, this it's cause the patent of some engines from Japanese brands are expired, and, off course, the Chinese, literally, (and legally), copied them. I don't know the reliability to long term for the Loncin engine in the 300 Rally, but, they are habitual manufacturers for KTM and BMW, maybe must be reliabile...or not.
Just only the time can be judge the reliability; it will depend to a large degree of the materials used, and quiality control. But, for less than 5K...you don't can expect the refinement and reliability of the Honda or Kawasaki. As we say in Spain, "nobody gives you 5 euros for 3 euros value".
Have a nice day.
Thank you for watching the video and for your thoughts!
Yes I agree... 5k is a very good value... and probably it will last long enough to justify that amount :) especially when you really want a CRF300 Rally and you cannot buy it cause you are portuguese, spanish or french! ahaha
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Why the manufacturers don't talk with the motorcycle riders? Why they insist to make a big, heavy and expensive adventure bikes, plenty of NASA technology that nobody needs, why don't we have more 300cc or, (better for me), a 400cc "adv" bikes at affordable price?
It's so difficult make a simple, lightweight "trail", reliable, decent power (40 - 50cv could be great), regulable suspensions, capacity for carry some luggage and a long maintenence intervals?
AJP was in the right direcction, but, i don't know, marketing problems? overpriced?. Here in Spain, i never, i repeat, never seen any one of the AJP bikes riding. A shame...
Maybe this topic could be an idea for your next video? maybe...
Thanks for make a so interesting content
вполне хороший мотоцикл. при практически таких же характеристиках как у Хонда 300 ралли, он стоит в 2-3 раза дешевле..
Thanks for this.
Excelente teste e comparativo
Obrigado por veres, ilustríssimo! :D
@@OFFroadOFFcourse gosto muito das tuas apreciações, boas e más. É sempre uma opinião valida.
I have one of this motorcycle... it's a good motorcycle but i have problems with long terms of quality...
What happened long term? Tell us, tell us! :)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse well its complicated 😅 in my country Iran we are not allowed to ride more than 250cc motorcycles... and this bike came by a different engine! They put a 225cc engine from their Enduro bike but everything is the same!
Now i ride it ab 8 thousands and the bolts that hold the engine are start to loose... rhe rear break disk ended... and gearing is harder... but everything is ok right now
@@WildRoobi Maybe that 225cc engine wasn't attached properly :o
Do you have any cool 250cc bikes there that we dont have in europe?
I know that for you, it must suck to be limited to "small bikes", but in a way its liberating if everyone is riding the same "class" :D
@@OFFroadOFFcoursethe engine is for a bike from loncin too...
And problem is brand ones are to expensive here like crf or klx... so the only option is Chinese or our country made bikes.
I don't think we have special one that u don't have... u have all the fun😉
Santarém :) Quinzena....bela sala de estudo! Bom ensaio :)
mais uma vez obrigado pela exelente partilha, sim este tipo de motas é sempre bom aparecerem pois fazem os fabricantes "grandes" melhorar os seus preços e qualidade. neste tipo de fabricantes novos que aparecem pois tem esse grande se não que referiste que depois pode ser dificil conseguir peças de sustituição entre outras coisas mas ai ou quem a tem se safa com material de outras marcas "transformando" ou então esperar uns anos se a marca vai "vingar" ou não. Mas realmente gosto que apareçam destas no mercado pelo que já referi e também agora aqui talvez mais pessoal de ter saudade das old schold que era tão bom voltarem a aparecer eheh, abraços.
China finally release Rally-inspired enduro Excelle 450 Rally $6,100 USD
Review da Ducati DesertX!
Better looking than the Honda, but would still take the crf due to Honda's reliability.
why dont you ride with safety gear on? one misstake on your part or any other motor vehicle and your toast.. you allways lose on a motorcylce incident.. its so, sorry to say dumb to watch people trying to be "pro reviewers" riding around like nothing could ever go wrong. dress for the slide not the ride.
Even though I am sorry to set a bad example, i am confident on my skills and know and I am not going to crash a 300cc dual-sport riding around at 30km/h on my backyard (even if i did, i wouldnt injure myself in anyway worth worrying about)... I've been riding fo 20 years, 10 of them as a professional.
When I am shooting my videos riding the bike is only 10% of it..the other 90% is me stopping every 30 secs change cameras, turn on microphones, change locations, talk to the camera, etc etc. Believe me, you don't want to do that with full protective gear when its 30-35ºC in Portugal :/
Por favor Diogo, no conduzca con una mano solo para grabar. Es demasiado peligroso
The fad for negative, 'invisible' displays continues...
Wow its heavy...
By Japanese you mean Thai. ;)
I would take a used crf300l.
90 - 100 km/h is not enough !
>> so 15 bhp will be the correct number !
This review of Chinese manufacturing as seen in used oil by Fortnine puts me off Chinese bikes. Plus comments from breakdown recovery drivers saying it’s mostly chines bikes they pick up. I know it’s not every manufacturer but they will need to do more to convince me at least that their bikes are ok. ua-cam.com/video/9GAUo8eUXeU/v-deo.html
300 cc and 28 hp ? like a scooter..hehehe
its what we have nowadays in the dual-sport segment :( The good news is that we usually get huge maintenance intervals...the CRF300L changes oil every 12000km. Its insane :D
I don't trust the build quality.
Yet another Chinese bike that will make its buyers cry for their money . You get what you pay for and that is a fact.
Buy that cheap chinese , in a couple of years , problems will start and with no parts, you have to give it for free that crap.
Bruh Europe get all the cool and cheap toys when will this shit com the North American 😡
We have Euro 5 here though, a lot of dual sport bikes you can buy in the US are not commercialized in Europe. I'm not against Euro, but you have far more choices in this segment.
@@crazyRyoga other then the big 5 but Europe get all the cheap and cool stuff but I get your point but for a new 300 cc duel sport your looking at 8 to 10 k usd and I'll pass on someone's clapped out bike from the 2000s