What makes Warner's performance even more amazing was he was asked to do the role at the last minute and didn't have time to study the script. All of his line readings are being done via cue cards, most held over Patrick Stewart's shoulder. One of the reasons he agreed to this was the chance to work with an old stage friend in Stewart
That is why this is one of my favorite torture episodes, up there with the one from Altered Carbon. Through all the pain, Picard cracks the Cardassian several times. Here, and when Picard points out how he has cracked his mask as torturer by telling him about being a scared six year old boy.
David Warner was just so damn good at every role he had, serious and ludicrous alike. If I see his name on the credits, it's worth a watch or a listen.
David Warner was hired on such short notice that he didn't have a chance to memorize his lines. He read all of them off cue cards. Even knowing this, it's impossible to tell.
I like to think he played it and won twice: once as the interrogator and once as the interrogated. As the interrogator, he convinced his prisoner to see five lights. As the interrogated, he convinced his interrogator to see six lights and to buy a new suit.
Garak strikes me as a far more practical and professional man than to waste his time like this. The interrogation was long over at this point; the "lights game" went on because Madred was obsessed with breaking Picard.
Nah. Garak just stared at one individual for four hours until he confessed. "His eyes.....his eyes!" was all Dr Parmak could say afterwards. He was sentenced to three years in a labour camp and returned to Cardassia upon his release. Ironically, him and Garak become pretty good friends in the book "A Stitch in Time" dealing with the immediate aftermath of the Dominion War for Cardassia. Parmak appears to hold no ill will towards Garak for the interrogation, and is himself a supporter of Cardassia transitioning to democracy post-war. Plus, you have to remember Garak was Obsidian Order while Madred was Military. The two are very different in their approaches.
"Her belly may be full, but her spirit will be empty." Makes me cry every time. Every great civilization that surrenders its spirit to the foods of injustice...dies.
Agreed, anyone who babbles on about needing "love" & "justice" has never been without food & water for any length of time. Those morality comfort blankets they cling too soon melt away when they are dying of hunger, then they'd kill anyone for food.
@Fuzzy Duo Why do you think 'nourishment' and 'fulfillment' are mutually exclusive? And what makes you think criticising a people for sacrificing their culture is tantamount to encouraging them to let their people starve? We all die, but not all of us get to truly live.
Yet Picard calls religion "Dark ages of ignorance, superstition, and fear" in season three. However when Cardassians give that up because it gives them nothing but plague and hunger, their 'spirit' is empty. Bollocks if you ask me.
Picard is inconsistent with his ideas on Religion. He says that about superstitions and stuff, but then when he's in the Nexus his dream is having a happy Christmas with a family he never had. And then when Q acts like God he says "I can't believe the Afterlife is run by you, reality isn't the poorly designed" which implies he thinks there's an Almighty being.
@@TomNook. yep a Shakespearean actor, as in an actor who plied his trade with the royal Shakespeare company. Script is the correct way to say screenplay if you come from a civilised country.
The Laughing Rabbit I was never aware of the Kardashians and the moment I heard or read the name of that show the first thought was they were pronouncing Cardassians with a lisp. Now, a show about Cardassians would be far more interesting
"On tonight's program... Garak opens his new tailor shop on Cardassia Prime! A piece of traitorous human scum gets tortured for Gul Madred's birthday party! And we learn the correct way to dent your forehead!"
A very common weapon used by humans on planet Earth prior to it's Third World War probably responsible for the destruction of millions of families in their primitive family law system... Parental Alienation.
Despite only appearing in two episodes of TNG, David Warner's role of Gul Madred EASILY rivals Marc Alaimo's Gul Dukat for the title of "Best Cardassian in Star Trek".
It is Paterick Stewart and David Warner, so it pretty much has to be gold. The acting ability of these two makes the rest of the Star Trek cast look like untalented hacks. You could have these two guys reading the phone book at each other, and they would find a way to make it entertaining.
Yeah don't think so, Brent Spiner would say "hold my beer".... his ability to act and portray the mannerisms of an android with the small details involved over 7 seasons was something special in fact, very talented.
@@paul1979uk2000 since when does a fat pay check correlate to being better? Spiner could do it all, portray an android,do Shakespeare in the holodeck more than one occasion, comedic delivery, his range was varied whereas Stewart seemed stiff and struggled on emotional content (when he wasn't shouting 4 lights all the time).
@@hcAdonis It doesn't, not always but come on, I'm not blind, I can see Patrick is the better actor and one of the best Star Trek have had. What you are talking about with Brent isn't so much the actor but the role he played as an Android which pushed him to do many roles, Picard wasn't allowed to do that on TNG because his role didn't really allow that but again, I've seen him in all of Star Trek and out of Star Trek as well as plays, he is the better actor and even Brent would likely agree with that. That argument about the 4 lights doesn't wash, I mean he was tortured, what did you honestly expect from Picard there, in fact the delivery seemed about right for what Picard had been through there.
@@paul1979uk2000 Oh well if you can see it then that makes you right lol.... You make alot of assumptions pulled out of your ass about you’ve seen Patrik do this and that, Spiner is no slouch he has done theatre worked on Broadway and also a musician which adds another dynamic to his talents. I know you are a Stewart fanboy but Patrick looks like he only has one range Shakespearean trained, while Brent displayed different ranges throughout his 7 seasons in ST. Comedic,physical in the mannerisms of an android and drama . Brent could do what Stewart does while I do not think Stewart could do what Spiner did as Data, its as simple as that.
The Cardassians were once a peaceful people with a deep spiritual culture. Doesn't that sound familiar? Perhaps the reason why the Cardassians were so cruel to the Bajorans during the occupation because they saw themselves in them, but they were also envious because they had something the Cardassians homeworld lacked: The necessary natural resources to use for living. After all, the lack in natural resources was what became a kind of catalyst for the formation of the Cardassians military, which they would use to conquer other planets for the resources they had. That envy would become hate, and the hate would cause cruelty to bloom during the Occupation of Bajor. I'm sure other races experienced deplorable treatment, but is it safe to assume Bajor had been dealt something special or something like that?
Another one of my acting heroes dead. Usually played heavies but always gave them a level of sophistication, Alan Rickman in Die Hard before Alan Rickman in Die Hard. He played Bob Crachit in 1984's A Christmas Carol with more of a backbone than the character is usually given. Evil is now a little less fun. RIP David Warner
Fasuki1 It is, but by the famous moment, Picard was so worn down by the torment, he didn't have the energy to be snarky. He could barely stand. Also, this shows how weak and insecure Madred really is. He's so unsure of himself, that a captive he's torturing can get under his skin. Between he and Picard, he has all the cards except one: a strong moral underpinning. And because he lacks it, Picard makes mincemeat of him.
@@specialopsdave That is a 9-year old comment, and possibly was written back when @ did work and was quite possibly attached to the comment I was replying to. When UA-cam integrated with Google+'s system, it broke up comment threads.
@@specialopsdave No worries. I don't recall exactly when it was, but given that this comment isn't attached to anything _and_ uses the old reply syntax, I'm betting that it was made before then.
This was a moment where Picard got into not just the head but the heart of Gul Madred. Deep down, Gul Madred knew there was some truth to Picard's words. Gul Madred wanted better for his daughter but as we learn later in the episode (SPOILER), due to the miserable and traumatic childhood that Madred had, he wanted to spare his daughter starvation, violence, filthy living and desperation. ...but deep down, he wished he didn't sacrifice culture, morality and hope to do it. It's easy to see Gul Madred as just a sadist Nazi-Stalin hybrid. This showed another side. Imagine a Russian boy that was starving and suffering, but Stalin offers him and his family medicine, food, warmth, clean clothes, safety... IF he serves. And watching your culture fade away, military might and ruthlessness replace it... And see food, healthcare, reconstruction of towns, cities and agriculture rise up, spring up on your country to replenish it's needs and secure a future for your people and the ones you love! ...at the cost of inhumane acts and invasion of other people's. Gripping.
That is literally what Putin did. When the Soviet Union collapsed he watched as what was once the second most powerful country in the world be reduced to all those things. He brought order and prosperity to more people than during that dark period but it cost them their freedom and the freedom of Russia's neighbors. Now hundreds of thousands of Russians are dying because he is telling them to and because serving in the Russian army is one of the most profitable jobs a Russian with no skills or opportunities can do.
3:42 How to make a futuristic Cardassian chair.........take one normal human designed and built crappy office like chair, and stick two golden leg prongs on the front. Give it the Cardassian look!!
I should have studied acting. I have a problem with speaking extemporaneously with others. I can only be coherent for a few seconds; then my words turn to gibberish. Other times, when I know what I want to say, and the words don't want to come out, I start to convulse, with an anger that builds up in my soul, until I force the words out. Then the anger subsides. But I often read out scripture in my church. And afterwards the others always tell me how well I speak. I would so love to be able to speak like these two. One of my favourite movies is "The King's Speech."
It just occurred to me that Gul Madred's daughter very likely did face starvation after the Dominion War, and as a direct consequence of the military dominating Cardassia.
I always thought the Romulans represented the old Roman Republic with a backwards history. (Empire First Rebublic after.) Since their govt changed in TNG (Also referenced in Nemesis.) I see the Cardassians as the Chinese since they were once peaceful with an interesting culture but there was great poverty. (The pre-communist post WWII govt of china) Until the military (Mao Tse Tung) took control and made the planet powerful and invader Bajor (Tibet.) For their natural resources.
theknightswhosayfrak that actually makes a lot of sense a lot of horrors that the Cardassians inflicted on the the Bajorians in the camps is disturbingly similar to the sadistic cruelty of the genocide that the Chinese communist military The so-called People's Liberation Army committed when they "liberated" Tibet in 1950 and have been occupying their country ever since not only that but the Chinese sent a lot of those Tibetans to die horrifically in the Lao Gai forced labor camps which are disturbingly similar in description to Cardassian work camps mentioned in the Star Trek deep space nine episode called "duet"
This is actually my favourite episode of all of Star Trek TNG. Riker vs Jellico is pretty good too, but this battle of "keen intellects" is masterful. And there's so much rock solid world building for the Cardassians in this one scene, under 4 minutes, you'd think Ron D. Moore wrote it. *checks* Oh, he wrote part one. SO CLOSE. *EDIT* Oh shit, almost forgot. RIP David Warner. A true legend.
Something I wonder - why the retcon on Cardassians from "TNG" to "DS9" - on "TNG" they were portrayed as openly arrogant and they never denied their crimes. On "DS9" they deny their crimes. Why. "TNG"'s portrayal of them is more honest to history - the Spaniards, whom their based on, never denied their crimes at all and were unapologetic.
It'll never not bother me that it was at this point that the cardasians we're either just leaving Bajor or still occupying it but this guy talks about cardasia being poor starving. I've always felt they changed the cardasians from TNG to ds9.
So Cardassia did not have replicators even by the early 24th century? Replicators effectively mean all people's basic material needs are more than met.
What separates this from a modern TV show is a show today would have music in the background that tells you how to feel; this just has a low industrial hum in the background, which is ominous and positively frightening
Oh and Nazis were not Nordicist. And "TNG" and countless movies like the "Lethal Weapon" movies (and unlike what morons said South Africa was an allegory for Allied Viking Germanic imperialism and were not Nazis because Leo Getz was implied to be a partner, and he was Jewish, also a Germanic group) and "Rain Man" agree with me! The arrogance of Nordicism is an Allied thing. The Borg, based on the Swedes (and yeah I love the Borg even on "Voyager" cause as pussified and incompetent as they became they were smart and still based on the Swedes), based on the Swedes, were never likened to Nazis once, and were the ultimate symbol of Allied oppression and agression. And the Cardassians, which were based on Spaniard (and were portrayed correctly, as white and Frank Lopez English accents) and were shown as Germanic, and they were openly arrogant on "TNG", much like the Borg, but the Borg were never about spite and revenge since they were above emotions (which is where "Voyager" went wrong with them).
Q knew what was going on here. He didn’t intervene. His interactions with Jean Luc, (in my opinion) gave Picard strength here. The cardassians are powerful- though no way near as powerful as the Borg (or Q ) Everything Jean Luc says is the ultimate in understanding true freedom vs dictatorship for all time .
Man, watching Picard suffer at the hands of an evil race he once defended above his fellow Starfleet officers is too satisfying to put into words. Too bad YT kid-ified the other one (???).
I had that same little, tiny impression along the way as well, in regards to the Cardassians. Romulan's being Chinese... perhaps more like moody passionate bastards.
Well... the cardassians definitely represent the germans in Star Trek! Biggest proof for that (beside the bajoran occupation): German architecture in the early 20th was famous for showing the inner life of a building or a machine (for example elevators, etc.) - The olympic stadium in Berlin for example was planned this way until the nazis took over and ordered to cover the outside of the stadium with flagstones! And the same thing is said in DS9 about cardassian architecture...
And don't forget, XD, the Cardassians take out the Maqui terrorists very easily in that scene of "Preemptive Strike", as they were more Maqui than Bajoran, and Maqui are former Federation officers with the knowledge of Federation defenses, so this nonsense that the Cardassians are not something more than the Federation asked for, again idiocy.
And yeah, one thing "TNG" thru "Voyager", showed the Cardassians (and I don't mean them in the Dominion War) as more advanced that the three major powers (and I'm being neutral, cause a Latino, I'm biased towards the Romulans). Even though the events of "The Wounded" were a case of not jumping to conclusions (cause the Cardassians were not less advanced in that episode), "Preemptive Strike" was a direct example and testimony to their power and lack of fear of the Federation. The Cardassians brutally and sadistically attack a Bajoran town in that episode, knowing full well they were within the zone of Federation starships and they didn't seem to fear the Federation. So this idea that they weren't advanced on the level of the three is pure idiocy. Plus the "Way of The Warrior" has a simple explanation for why the Klingons managed to invade Cardassia. It's implied they were Dominion (in the form of Changelings), a group more advanced than the Cardassians. They weren't Klingons who attacked Cardassia. We never see the Cardassians, on their own, fight against another power. Not even the Federation, so these people talking about how they're less advanced than the 3 main powers, are so dumb as rocks. And there are shades of "Spaniards are Hispanic with Latin English accents/Nuyoricans and Italians are white with Penelope Cruz-type English accents" nonsense in this idea that Cardassians are less advanced. Like do they see the Cardassians episodes. Clearly those assholes sound like Penelope Cruz in their English accents, not Latinos. XD And Cardassians had a more arrogant supremacy complex than the Romulans and were more hateful of non-Cardassians than Romulans were of non-Romulans (most of the Romulans are more a case of bad blood rather than an unknown arrogant force hating others they deem as less than them - the devil you know vs the devil you don't know - the Nazis Romulans fall under the first, the Cardassians, Borg, Breen, Jem Hadar, and Dominion, all being Allied Germanic antagonists, fall under the latter)
Minus the Anglos. The Borg and Cardassians had that sadistic edgy quality about them Anglos lack. And Cardassians were brutal on top of sadistic and edgy
@@Leon_der_Luftige Absolutely nimrod. "Borg" sounds Germanic. But I expect that type of nonsensical response from someone who thinks -ez-surnamed people are Hispanic with Latin English accent when they're white with the same English accent as Frank Lopez from "Scarface."
David Warner portraying a chracter opposite of his cutesy ethnicity, given that the Spanish Empire is the inspiration for the Cardassians! Cruelty inspired by the Conquistadors. This is exactly what the Spanish did to all peoples of colors, to the Nuyoricans, to the Italians, to the Basques, to the Native Americans
What makes Warner's performance even more amazing was he was asked to do the role at the last minute and didn't have time to study the script. All of his line readings are being done via cue cards, most held over Patrick Stewart's shoulder. One of the reasons he agreed to this was the chance to work with an old stage friend in Stewart
Amazing.
He was a gem!
You know they know you're right when they stop talking and start slapping.
Floyd Palmer The essence of a Narcissist, possibly a Sociopath or a Psychopath
That is why this is one of my favorite torture episodes, up there with the one from Altered Carbon. Through all the pain, Picard cracks the Cardassian several times. Here, and when Picard points out how he has cracked his mask as torturer by telling him about being a scared six year old boy.
Resort to violence when your arguments no longer work, Hallmark of the left.
Honestly, Madrak and Garak did more to humanize and flesh out the cardassians than just about anyone else.
Madred, he was Gul Madred.
"How many lights are there?"
"What lights?"
Picard was 110% DONE with this nonsense.
I love the line: "When children learn to devalue others, they can devalue anyone....including their own parents." Truer words were never spoken.
That's a powerful line, and very true. Patrick and David put on a clinic with their performances in this episode.
Amen.
RIP David. This character, with David at the helm, deserved a story arc that spanned several seasons really. That's how good he was.
Madred would have been a Perfect fit in Deep Space Nine....
David Warner was just so damn good at every role he had, serious and ludicrous alike. If I see his name on the credits, it's worth a watch or a listen.
Yes.
His antagonism with Picard would easily have rivaled the one between Sisko and Dukat.
I almost think ''What lights?'' is even more brilliant than ''There are FOUR lights!''
you almost think
It's the truest expression of a bad attitude while being professional.
This is one of those clips that are always high quality, no matter the resolution.
Robert Wetzel . Yes and Star Trek at it's finest.
David Warner was hired on such short notice that he didn't have a chance to memorize his lines. He read all of them off cue cards. Even knowing this, it's impossible to tell.
"Her belly may be full, but her spirit will be empty." That is powerful.
"What lights?" Brilliant. Answer.
I wonder if Garak ever played the "five lights" game?
I imagine he did this and much worse.
I like to think he played it and won twice: once as the interrogator and once as the interrogated.
As the interrogator, he convinced his prisoner to see five lights.
As the interrogated, he convinced his interrogator to see six lights and to buy a new suit.
Nah. Garak was just a plain, simple tailor :)
Garak strikes me as a far more practical and professional man than to waste his time like this. The interrogation was long over at this point; the "lights game" went on because Madred was obsessed with breaking Picard.
Nah. Garak just stared at one individual for four hours until he confessed. "His eyes.....his eyes!" was all Dr Parmak could say afterwards. He was sentenced to three years in a labour camp and returned to Cardassia upon his release. Ironically, him and Garak become pretty good friends in the book "A Stitch in Time" dealing with the immediate aftermath of the Dominion War for Cardassia. Parmak appears to hold no ill will towards Garak for the interrogation, and is himself a supporter of Cardassia transitioning to democracy post-war.
Plus, you have to remember Garak was Obsidian Order while Madred was Military. The two are very different in their approaches.
RIP David Warner. An Exceptional Character Actor.
"Her belly may be full, but her spirit will be empty."
Makes me cry every time. Every great civilization that surrenders its spirit to the foods of injustice...dies.
But remember,
"Thousands have lived without love, not one without water."
- W. H. Auden
I think the same goes for food and culture.
Agreed, anyone who babbles on about needing "love" & "justice" has never been without food & water for any length of time. Those morality comfort blankets they cling too soon melt away when they are dying of hunger, then they'd kill anyone for food.
@Fuzzy Duo
Why do you think 'nourishment' and 'fulfillment' are mutually exclusive? And what makes you think criticising a people for sacrificing their culture is tantamount to encouraging them to let their people starve? We all die, but not all of us get to truly live.
Yet Picard calls religion "Dark ages of ignorance, superstition, and fear" in season three. However when Cardassians give that up because it gives them nothing but plague and hunger, their 'spirit' is empty. Bollocks if you ask me.
Picard is inconsistent with his ideas on Religion. He says that about superstitions and stuff, but then when he's in the Nexus his dream is having a happy Christmas with a family he never had. And then when Q acts like God he says "I can't believe the Afterlife is run by you, reality isn't the poorly designed" which implies he thinks there's an Almighty being.
When two Shakespearean actors do their very best to out act each other with an amazing script. Can you imagine STD trying to do an episode like this.
STD: "Script? Shakespeare?"
@@TomNook. yep a Shakespearean actor, as in an actor who plied his trade with the royal Shakespeare company. Script is the correct way to say screenplay if you come from a civilised country.
Sums up my opinion. This was trek
@@robertofulton you are without friends
@@solomonreal1977 … What the hell kind of a response is that?
Now THAT'S Keeping Up With The Cardassians.
The Laughing Rabbit I was never aware of the Kardashians and the moment I heard or read the name of that show the first thought was they were pronouncing Cardassians with a lisp. Now, a show about Cardassians would be far more interesting
"On tonight's program... Garak opens his new tailor shop on Cardassia Prime! A piece of traitorous human scum gets tortured for Gul Madred's birthday party! And we learn the correct way to dent your forehead!"
SOMEONE WRITE THIS SHOW NOW
Lol
Never realized Cardassian interrogators have theatrical British accents
When children learn to de-value others, they de-value anything even their parents. Ouch!
A very common weapon used by humans on planet Earth prior to it's Third World War probably responsible for the destruction of millions of families in their primitive family law system...
Parental Alienation.
Despite only appearing in two episodes of TNG, David Warner's role of Gul Madred EASILY rivals Marc Alaimo's Gul Dukat for the title of "Best Cardassian in Star Trek".
The best Cardassian was Garak. Hands down.
Equal in my opinion.
Harris Yulin was good too.
@@miroslavszabo3783 No! The best is Kim!😉
All the great actors they cast as Cardassians is what made them stand out, but David Warner especially.
It is Paterick Stewart and David Warner, so it pretty much has to be gold. The acting ability of these two makes the rest of the Star Trek cast look like untalented hacks. You could have these two guys reading the phone book at each other, and they would find a way to make it entertaining.
Yeah don't think so, Brent Spiner would say "hold my beer".... his ability to act and portray the mannerisms of an android with the small details involved over 7 seasons was something special in fact, very talented.
@@hcAdonis Brent is a decent actor but he's not like Patrick and that is why he got the big bucks in Star Trek and out of Star Trek.
@@paul1979uk2000 since when does a fat pay check correlate to being better? Spiner could do it all, portray an android,do Shakespeare in the holodeck more than one occasion, comedic delivery, his range was varied whereas Stewart seemed stiff and struggled on emotional content (when he wasn't shouting 4 lights all the time).
@@hcAdonis It doesn't, not always but come on, I'm not blind, I can see Patrick is the better actor and one of the best Star Trek have had.
What you are talking about with Brent isn't so much the actor but the role he played as an Android which pushed him to do many roles, Picard wasn't allowed to do that on TNG because his role didn't really allow that but again, I've seen him in all of Star Trek and out of Star Trek as well as plays, he is the better actor and even Brent would likely agree with that.
That argument about the 4 lights doesn't wash, I mean he was tortured, what did you honestly expect from Picard there, in fact the delivery seemed about right for what Picard had been through there.
@@paul1979uk2000 Oh well if you can see it then that makes you right lol.... You make alot of assumptions pulled out of your ass about you’ve seen Patrik do this and that, Spiner is no slouch he has done theatre worked on Broadway and also a musician which adds another dynamic to his talents.
I know you are a Stewart fanboy but Patrick looks like he only has one range Shakespearean trained, while Brent displayed different ranges throughout his 7 seasons in ST. Comedic,physical in the mannerisms of an android and drama .
Brent could do what Stewart does while I do not think Stewart could do what Spiner did as Data, its as simple as that.
RIP David Warner. Only he could’ve played Madred with such menace
The Cardassians were once a peaceful people with a deep spiritual culture. Doesn't that sound familiar? Perhaps the reason why the Cardassians were so cruel to the Bajorans during the occupation because they saw themselves in them, but they were also envious because they had something the Cardassians homeworld lacked: The necessary natural resources to use for living. After all, the lack in natural resources was what became a kind of catalyst for the formation of the Cardassians military, which they would use to conquer other planets for the resources they had. That envy would become hate, and the hate would cause cruelty to bloom during the Occupation of Bajor. I'm sure other races experienced deplorable treatment, but is it safe to assume Bajor had been dealt something special or something like that?
Another one of my acting heroes dead. Usually played heavies but always gave them a level of sophistication, Alan Rickman in Die Hard before Alan Rickman in Die Hard. He played Bob Crachit in 1984's A Christmas Carol with more of a backbone than the character is usually given. Evil is now a little less fun. RIP David Warner
There are FOUR DISLIKES
Fasuki1 It is, but by the famous moment, Picard was so worn down by the torment, he didn't have the energy to be snarky. He could barely stand.
Also, this shows how weak and insecure Madred really is. He's so unsure of himself, that a captive he's torturing can get under his skin. Between he and Picard, he has all the cards except one: a strong moral underpinning. And because he lacks it, Picard makes mincemeat of him.
You cant reply with @ on youtube, you have to create a thread
@@specialopsdave That is a 9-year old comment, and possibly was written back when @ did work and was quite possibly attached to the comment I was replying to. When UA-cam integrated with Google+'s system, it broke up comment threads.
@@BladeOfLight16 My bad, I thought it was over 10 years ago at this point when threads were added to YT
@@specialopsdave No worries. I don't recall exactly when it was, but given that this comment isn't attached to anything _and_ uses the old reply syntax, I'm betting that it was made before then.
My daughter will never worry about going hungry!
The Dominion has entered the chat...
This was a moment where Picard got into not just the head but the heart of Gul Madred.
Deep down, Gul Madred knew there was some truth to Picard's words. Gul Madred wanted better for his daughter but as we learn later in the episode (SPOILER), due to the miserable and traumatic childhood that Madred had, he wanted to spare his daughter starvation, violence, filthy living and desperation.
...but deep down, he wished he didn't sacrifice culture, morality and hope to do it. It's easy to see Gul Madred as just a sadist Nazi-Stalin hybrid. This showed another side. Imagine a Russian boy that was starving and suffering, but Stalin offers him and his family medicine, food, warmth, clean clothes, safety... IF he serves. And watching your culture fade away, military might and ruthlessness replace it... And see food, healthcare, reconstruction of towns, cities and agriculture rise up, spring up on your country to replenish it's needs and secure a future for your people and the ones you love!
...at the cost of inhumane acts and invasion of other people's.
Gripping.
That is literally what Putin did. When the Soviet Union collapsed he watched as what was once the second most powerful country in the world be reduced to all those things. He brought order and prosperity to more people than during that dark period but it cost them their freedom and the freedom of Russia's neighbors.
Now hundreds of thousands of Russians are dying because he is telling them to and because serving in the Russian army is one of the most profitable jobs a Russian with no skills or opportunities can do.
Well said.
"What lights?"
LMAO, what a captain
damnit i miss TNG so much :(
Lt.Dan do you have netflix?
You have Picard!
RIP David Warner.
There are 5 lights.
3:42 How to make a futuristic Cardassian chair.........take one normal human designed and built crappy office like chair, and stick two golden leg prongs on the front. Give it the Cardassian look!!
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
David Warner also played Chancellor Gorkon in Star Trek VI, as well as Lovejoy in Titanic.
And the scientist from Turtles II.
And St John Talbot the Federation Ambassador to Nimbus 3 in Star Trek V
And Ra's Al Ghul in the DC Animated Universe.
He also played federation diplomat in st 5
I’m saddened to learn of his passing. David Warner was a wonderful actor. R.I.P.
OMG! Its Jon Irenicus!
I know! isn't it awesome!?
RIP David Warner, God's Speed. You have earnt your wings 🚀
I should have studied acting. I have a problem with speaking extemporaneously with others. I can only be coherent for a few seconds; then my words turn to gibberish. Other times, when I know what I want to say, and the words don't want to come out, I start to convulse, with an anger that builds up in my soul, until I force the words out. Then the anger subsides. But I often read out scripture in my church. And afterwards the others always tell me how well I speak. I would so love to be able to speak like these two. One of my favourite movies is "The King's Speech."
It would have been a neat little added touch, if the Cardassisn's daughter offered Picard a "bye" as she passed him.
It just occurred to me that Gul Madred's daughter very likely did face starvation after the Dominion War, and as a direct consequence of the military dominating Cardassia.
I always thought the Romulans represented the old Roman Republic with a backwards history. (Empire First Rebublic after.) Since their govt changed in TNG (Also referenced in Nemesis.)
I see the Cardassians as the Chinese since they were once peaceful with an interesting culture but there was great poverty. (The pre-communist post WWII govt of china) Until the military (Mao Tse Tung) took control and made the planet powerful and invader Bajor (Tibet.) For their natural resources.
theknightswhosayfrak that actually makes a lot of sense a lot of horrors that the Cardassians inflicted on the the Bajorians in the camps is disturbingly similar to the sadistic cruelty of the genocide that the Chinese communist military The so-called People's Liberation Army committed when they "liberated" Tibet in 1950 and have been occupying their country ever since not only that but the Chinese sent a lot of those Tibetans to die horrifically in the Lao Gai forced labor camps which are disturbingly similar in description to Cardassian work camps mentioned in the Star Trek deep space nine episode called "duet"
RIP David Warner
#GoVegan
"When children learn to devalue others, they can devalue anyone..."
two trained shakespirian british actors brilliantly arguing against each other - I love it.
Patrick Steward AND David Warner? Doesn't get much better than that.
David Warner is fucking exceptional.
How is this scene not the best in the TGN mythos? Well written, well acted.
This is actually my favourite episode of all of Star Trek TNG.
Riker vs Jellico is pretty good too, but this battle of "keen intellects" is masterful. And there's so much rock solid world building for the Cardassians in this one scene, under 4 minutes, you'd think Ron D. Moore wrote it.
*checks* Oh, he wrote part one. SO CLOSE.
*EDIT* Oh shit, almost forgot. RIP David Warner. A true legend.
2:53 - When you lose the argument so you choose violence. 🤣
Gul RA'S AL GHUL
Honestly, a lot of what picard has said is very true today. The devaluing of human life is something I find most concerning.
RIP
Something I wonder - why the retcon on Cardassians from "TNG" to "DS9" - on "TNG" they were portrayed as openly arrogant and they never denied their crimes. On "DS9" they deny their crimes.
Why. "TNG"'s portrayal of them is more honest to history - the Spaniards, whom their based on, never denied their crimes at all and were unapologetic.
It'll never not bother me that it was at this point that the cardasians we're either just leaving Bajor or still occupying it but this guy talks about cardasia being poor starving. I've always felt they changed the cardasians from TNG to ds9.
Who was the Cardashian n the kid??
David Warner is just the best. In any roll.
So Cardassia did not have replicators even by the early 24th century? Replicators effectively mean all people's basic material needs are more than met.
I love big brother!
Do Cardassians not have replicators? I’m confused why they have such scarcity problem.
Did Cardassians Ever actualy go to Earth?
What lights!!!!
20# brass balls😈😈😈
the cardassians daughter is such a cutie
What separates this from a modern TV show is a show today would have music in the background that tells you how to feel; this just has a low industrial hum in the background, which is ominous and positively frightening
Oh and Nazis were not Nordicist. And "TNG" and countless movies like the "Lethal Weapon" movies (and unlike what morons said South Africa was an allegory for Allied Viking Germanic imperialism and were not Nazis because Leo Getz was implied to be a partner, and he was Jewish, also a Germanic group) and "Rain Man" agree with me! The arrogance of Nordicism is an Allied thing. The Borg, based on the Swedes (and yeah I love the Borg even on "Voyager" cause as pussified and incompetent as they became they were smart and still based on the Swedes), based on the Swedes, were never likened to Nazis once, and were the ultimate symbol of Allied oppression and agression. And the Cardassians, which were based on Spaniard (and were portrayed correctly, as white and Frank Lopez English accents) and were shown as Germanic, and they were openly arrogant on "TNG", much like the Borg, but the Borg were never about spite and revenge since they were above emotions (which is where "Voyager" went wrong with them).
You know he's evil because he has a British accent.
Captain Picard has an English accent - so is he evil too??
Which one is Kim? The one in leather? Thicc!
holy shit its chancellor gorkon back from the dead
Q knew what was going on here. He didn’t intervene. His interactions with Jean Luc, (in my opinion) gave Picard strength here. The cardassians are powerful- though no way near as powerful as the Borg (or Q )
Everything Jean Luc says is the ultimate in understanding true freedom vs dictatorship for all time .
Yes, he did! I also loved him in "Time Bandits" and "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze."
That brass score went hard yo at the end, and Picard held his own like a G
Personally....give me all the food and water u want...if all i have is my spirit in the end...then i ask for is death...
I do like this episode but does anyone else see the close link with 1984, "how many fingers am I holding up?"
The cardsssian speaks like.a member of the Roman senate SPQR
I CALL BS
Man, watching Picard suffer at the hands of an evil race he once defended above his fellow Starfleet officers is too satisfying to put into words. Too bad YT kid-ified the other one (???).
Picard dissed that nigga Maldred to his face later. Yo Picard is gangsta And black African brass music. Word
This history lesson is exactly what gives me the parallel to nazi germany. A powerful state forced into submission.
I think someone pointed this out, there are five lights because it's not completely dark when the four lights are off.
chilling ,because torture is now acceptable to civil society ..... where does it end ?
After dominion war: "What millitary brought you?"
This scene is Star Trek meets Orwell’s 1984.
It dealt with the themes of torture which was intense for Star Trek TNG then.
Yeah that is a true statement.
That is why my mother never spoke ill of anyone in front of me nor did she allow me to!
I love when he got tortured because there's one thing he did that I respect more than anything he never broke
It's revealed at the end of the episode that Picard did break. If Lemec hadn't appeared at that moment, Picard would have given in to Madred.
Imagine if the Cardassian was Garak
Is it just me or does the frequency of this vid feel like a knife in the brain?
I had that same little, tiny impression along the way as well, in regards to the Cardassians.
Romulan's being Chinese... perhaps more like moody passionate bastards.
Kardashians? Predictive programming? :o :D
Well... the cardassians definitely represent the germans in Star Trek!
Biggest proof for that (beside the bajoran occupation): German architecture in the early 20th was famous for showing the inner life of a building or a machine (for example elevators, etc.) - The olympic stadium in Berlin for example was planned this way until the nazis took over and ordered to cover the outside of the stadium with flagstones!
And the same thing is said in DS9 about cardassian architecture...
Not the Germans as a whole nation. Only the nazis (about 10-20% of the german population).
My fav episode....excellent.
Uhm actually its Gul Madred xD
There are FIVE LIGHTS
And don't forget, XD, the Cardassians take out the Maqui terrorists very easily in that scene of "Preemptive Strike", as they were more Maqui than Bajoran, and Maqui are former Federation officers with the knowledge of Federation defenses, so this nonsense that the Cardassians are not something more than the Federation asked for, again idiocy.
Speaking like thanos here picard is.
And yeah, one thing "TNG" thru "Voyager", showed the Cardassians (and I don't mean them in the Dominion War) as more advanced that the three major powers (and I'm being neutral, cause a Latino, I'm biased towards the Romulans). Even though the events of "The Wounded" were a case of not jumping to conclusions (cause the Cardassians were not less advanced in that episode), "Preemptive Strike" was a direct example and testimony to their power and lack of fear of the Federation. The Cardassians brutally and sadistically attack a Bajoran town in that episode, knowing full well they were within the zone of Federation starships and they didn't seem to fear the Federation. So this idea that they weren't advanced on the level of the three is pure idiocy.
Plus the "Way of The Warrior" has a simple explanation for why the Klingons managed to invade Cardassia. It's implied they were Dominion (in the form of Changelings), a group more advanced than the Cardassians. They weren't Klingons who attacked Cardassia. We never see the Cardassians, on their own, fight against another power. Not even the Federation, so these people talking about how they're less advanced than the 3 main powers, are so dumb as rocks. And there are shades of "Spaniards are Hispanic with Latin English accents/Nuyoricans and Italians are white with Penelope Cruz-type English accents" nonsense in this idea that Cardassians are less advanced. Like do they see the Cardassians episodes. Clearly those assholes sound like Penelope Cruz in their English accents, not Latinos. XD
And Cardassians had a more arrogant supremacy complex than the Romulans and were more hateful of non-Cardassians than Romulans were of non-Romulans (most of the Romulans are more a case of bad blood rather than an unknown arrogant force hating others they deem as less than them - the devil you know vs the devil you don't know - the Nazis Romulans fall under the first, the Cardassians, Borg, Breen, Jem Hadar, and Dominion, all being Allied Germanic antagonists, fall under the latter)
I remember when this first came on, it had a parental discretion warning
Oh snap! It's Ra's Al Ghul!
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
I always thought the Cardassians represented the Chinese.
Spaniards not Chinese. The other Germanics were the Borg
Minus the Anglos. The Borg and Cardassians had that sadistic edgy quality about them Anglos lack. And Cardassians were brutal on top of sadistic and edgy
Rob Jackson The Borg are modelled after germanics? Never.
@@Leon_der_Luftige Absolutely nimrod. "Borg" sounds Germanic. But I expect that type of nonsensical response from someone who thinks -ez-surnamed people are Hispanic with Latin English accent when they're white with the same English accent as Frank Lopez from "Scarface."
David Warner portraying a chracter opposite of his cutesy ethnicity, given that the Spanish Empire is the inspiration for the Cardassians! Cruelty inspired by the Conquistadors. This is exactly what the Spanish did to all peoples of colors, to the Nuyoricans, to the Italians, to the Basques, to the Native Americans
Picard - the wisest commie that ever lived.
Captain Picard would view Communism as a barbaric mind control scheme (since that's basically what it is). He would most certainly not approve of it.
@@bigtony4930 ^ Projection.
@@bigtony4930 that’s what you think
@@Ragitsu you don't even know what that word means
The torture scene...was stolen and adapted of the movie "1984"..only on that occasion Richard Burton he said..."how many fingers do you see"
There..... are..... TWO GENDERS !
Thank goodness Picard wasnt 'interviewed' by Garak, for a simple tailor he is quite good at matters of spycraft
Bitch slap at 2:59