Esfand is right... but the problem is... they did charge in all the other cases before, where they should not have. Every time, when they caught someone with a pd gun they charged regardless of the evidence. So if they dont do it now, it is an extremely bad look for them. It shows the bias that 100% exists in the PD. In my opinion, the most important training a police officer in no pixel has to go through (and has to understand) is what crimes to charge and what not to charge.
Simple rule for me would be if fellow officers are debating on whether the charge should be pressed then you don't press it, it's rp ffs. So many including cornwood will argue charges for an hour with other cops not to mention lawyers.
This is going to be really bad for the police if an investigation for corruption gets pushed, they set pres because of Murphy Braun when they charged him with possession of gov equipment. That means they are suppose to prosecute all similar cases the same. This shows a clear case of favoritism because everyone in similar situations was charged.
They originally don't have to, but since they have charged every other individual before this and choose not to do it this time. That then turns into selective prosecution and opens another whirlwind of problems.
Yeah Ruth made it sound like it's not up to the cops to decide as they let the courts decide. This server is a fucking mess as no foundation was built so nobody knows how the city is expected to function. I checked out the reddit as I was curi how mr k was convicted n comments said it was on mr ks defence lawyers to prove it was planted n they sucked at their jobs. This fucking roleplay, if shiobans job wasn't good enough as the vast majority thought it was then wtf is nopixel thinking? I like nathankb (crane) but his decision making running 4.0 is extremely disappointing. Multiple ppl think they're being targeted cause nopixel needs to build n decide foundation on the fly is embarrassing.
That is primarily part of the reason Moon is pushing for pardon on Dab for Mr K. Using their past as a RP scenario excuse for pushing the pardon. It's primarily about how terrible that court case was though. I wished that they charged this lawyer equally so that the RP can come full circle and pardons and law changes come through and its over. But now they arent charging her so its just gonna be another 2-3 weeks of some good RP and some RP that just turns people off. @@tihseht472
If it was the same officer that charged all of them and it's still the same officer choosing not to charge this lady, sure, but it's different officers viewing different situations, differently. People acting like the only way they wouldn't want to charge her is through meta, but it's absolutely possible that he looked at the case, thought there's no way she would actually have a police gun, and decided to delay charges purely through rp reasons. We have no idea what the reasons are and people are so pissed lol.
Selective prosecution goes against them all, not if its the same specific officer. Its the department as a whole, since the PD not prosecutors pursue charges on NP the PD at a whole is responsible for the selective prosecution. Either way Slacks made the decision on both.@@davidschmidt2081
In accordance with the current word of the law, she must be charged. Otherwise you're risking being sued for corruption if this information gets out - officer discretion has its limits.
If that was Ramee......he would be charged in 5 seconds. Even as a lawyer with a clean record......... Edit: Ramee was looking in a trunk....the lawyer was found with a PD gun......terrible comparison. Edit again for the cop viewers : Esfand IC doesnt know that armor is PD only. In fact, you can literally craft armor at the bench...............
Its not a terrible comparison based on the law lmao. Ramee would have gotten arrested had it been a different cop like ruth or another by the book cop. Most of these people are friends.
He was looking in the trunk of a police vehicle and had an item purchased by an officer during the brief time between being fired verbally and being fired in the system.
Why is Esfand stuck on the chest armor? OOC he knows that armor is only PD issued but in character he DOESNT know that so, how is that a good comparison? It’s not.
He is using the Ramee situation as an example, but in character he doesn’t know chest armor is only available to the PD. Obviously that has changed recently, but it also isn’t labeled as PD armor like a gun is so in character he can’t definitively say it is PD equipment
At the time, there were no stores that would sell it to somebody other than an officer though. Johnson buying it was still "to an officer" because that hadn't been removed yet, so it's still technically valid to call it police equipment. I mean, Johnson could have also gone over to MRPD and signed in on duty functionally, even though he was fired verbally.
I swear an officer got in trouble for using discretion on felonies before? According to Slacks they have no choice but to charge if they witness a felony, unlike misdemenors. Why do the rules constantly change when it affects different people?
there is a huge difference between not charging for a misdemeaner and a felony. giving the police the power to charge whenever with felonys creates a powerstructure that isnt supposed to happen. u would call that judge jury and executioner. like imagine a police officer witness assault with a deadly weapon and then be like "yea well, you are free to go i wont charge u"... thats not how its supposed to be. u actually HAVE TO charge felony's, especially possession felonys cause they are literally crystal clear. gun on person --> possession-->charge. what is happening here is a ignorance towards the justice system and is not how its supposed to go at all. with this the police can literally pick and choose who is a criminal and who is not...
That is such garbage logic saying that esfand would have or should have charged ramee for the chest armor , since esfand or more specifically cornwood would have NO WAY of knowing the difference between PD armor and Crim armor since one of them wasn't implemented yet (more accurately nobody had a blueprint yet) the PD GUNS ON THE OTHER HAND are legit labeled PD or government issued , idk why esfand even brought this back up since he conceded he wouldn't know if it was or wasn't pd armor since it wasn't labeled as such.
a prosecutor's discretion to not charge is based on factors like if they have enough evidence to win, or if it's worth the time and resources to pursue charges for the type of crime committed, valuable resources that could have been used for a case with higher priority. They can't just choose not to charge for bias reasons. That's just corruption.
There's also timing though. A charge doesn't have to be brought immediately, and additional evidence could be gathered by releasing somebody rather than charging them.
WTF all cops meta gaming and use the info to fuck them over. Why cant they let a RP story play out? Instead they always arrest using stuffed situations to fuck over the rp'er, when this is supposed to be RP first server. All the best RP cops have been sacked. Can only RP they way they want you to RP I guess 😢😢
another issue is police incompetency where twice they failed to obtain Mr.ks dna, which would clear her case but again pd doesnt even stop to think they gotta chase the W
From the clips I have watched, both 4.0 and older... a lot of the times when police were involved, it seemed like they struggled to understand that they don't always have to go as hard as possible. It felt at times that they didn't even consider a possibility that they would not escalate, or refrain from writing a ticket at a stop in favor of giving a verbal warning instead. I'm not sure what the SOPs state specifically about situations and how much leeway there were in those directives, but it felt like _'once these circumstances are met, the officer is allowed to'_ was often read as _'the officer must'._ Maybe some characters, like James Randal, or Burn's fun gimmick characters were given preferential treatment, and maybe the exact opposite was afforded to some criminal characters - sure, makes sense. We've seen situations where a 'fun police' joined a situation, failed to read the room, and immediately downed a shit lord character, quickly bringing a fun situation/event to a stop. We've seen situations where scuff happens during a chase, and the other party stops and lets the scuffed party get fixed before continuing. Acting in good faith goes a long way. The K situation of being found guilty of possessing pd glock despite there being adequate amounts of in-game reasons to assume it may have been planted felt like people acted upon OOC knowledge of it not being planted and thus didn't bother to give the misleading false information the time of the day. They very well could have chosen not to push those chargers in that situation, like they are likely to do now with these pd gun plants and not charge in these situations by default. I dunno, feels like a dice roll at times - if you get a good faith rp arresting officer or a powergamer with a hunch.
Esfand is 1000% right here but the issue is, Fair and just officer descretion is used when it is not someone who is like K, ramee, X or any other Crim player or even Murphy, But when it is someone who also don't have charge but not a crim player then it is Ra different story. It is literally Subjective adjudication of Rules and Procedures. i.e Weaponising SOPs. And that is what the root cause is with PD Ruth uses every SOP to the T when it is against Den, Cornwood, Aziz etc. But when it comes to her Sr officers they start to "Investigate" to find anything that would make them not guilty. Den got Dap for an Autharised pit for fk sake.
Esfand is so braindead in this case. There are already president set of PD pressing charges even if there is resonable doubt in the exact same cases. There is no president set on vehicle tampering. The dude went from crying about the PD being corrupt yesyerday to being a corrupt cop today.
@@Andrew-qu7lq You are confused brother. A cop in real life does not press charges, thats the DAs job and if they treat two cases that are very simillar differently with an arbitrary basis they can also be prosecuted. Since the PD on NP are also the DA they are responsible to follow the ethics of an attorney. Its clear grounds for malicious prosecution or bias because of race, sex, religion etc. If a DA or in this case on NP a cop were to press charges and were questioned on their bias they would have to be able to articulate the reasoning for treating the two cases differently, which they wouldnt be able to do without saying "Mr K was a criminal in 3.0 and i saw some clips of him doing criminal stuff".
@Mas-ij3ti nothing you said refutes or even addressed my comment. Precedent is about whether a judge should or shouldn't rule in a certain way. It has nothing to do with a prosecutor or police, or in this case since np has those roles somewhat combined, both. They can still refuse to take the case for their own opinion of being reasonable doubt that would not be enough to convict. Many cops and lawyers there thought the Mr K case should have been a not guilty verdict, and many said they wouldn't have pressed the charges. In this clip by the way, Cornwood had not yet returned to the pd. He was there as the defense attorney for the victim.
I'm sorry this just stinks of OOC knowledge, they knew K never had it planted on him OOC and they knew the lawyer did and used this in game. Very poor RP from what I call some great RPers
They charge mr k. With no proof gsr negative. And a gunshot Wound in him. And they said letter of the law 9/10 possession … than this character gets found gsr positive and a gun and let go lmfao
Yeah. People arguing "cornwood best and smartest cop!" when he doesn't even know how officer discretion works, and previously made a fool out of himself by being oblivious to the difference of criminal and civil liability a week ago.
The example used isnt a very good one. Theres been cases already done and precedents set for exactly what happend. By not charging her means the rest of the people already charged can win an appeal easily. It also shouldnt be a cops job to decide on charges, thats the doj job. The police simply document the scene and submit to doj for assessment.
Esfands argument does not make sense. No where does it say chest armor is pd equipment on the item. Not only that you can now craft it yourself so he was using knowledge outside of the game to come to that conclusion.
This server is literally ran on OOC wtf is this sht 😂 x charged, k charged, murphy charge and murphy used to be cgs lawyer for years thats why murphy was charged. X was charge because its x. They charged k even though his record was clean and they were supposed to forget he was a criminal so the cops broke the server rules.
Esfand is right 100%. And Cornwood as a defense attorney is just doing his job, and I KNOW if Cornwood was around, Mr. K wouldve never been charged to begin with. The problem is that it happened. And it better keep on happening until only a change in the law (either through a case where a Judge has the balls to set a precedent and not just "letter of the law" it away) or just new legislation. Any change of behavior until then is just so clearly biased and unfair
as a content creator, you also have to be aware of things that have happened prior and would be a continuation of an existing situation. If it was the first time we had seen this, your logic applies. The problem is, we have seen 2 major issues with this and then the question becomes, should this be a case of good for the goose good for the gander. Especially when the person now caught is part of an arc where its retribution to prove the point its a bad "law" as written.... especially if a certain judge winds up with a pd gun on himself, or judges I should say, and a couple of lawyers wind up with a pd gun on them.. then it becomes very good rp.
Them, choosing not to charge, makes case case, though, because all they have do is ask the question has a similar situation happened where it was treated any differently, and they have to tell the truth on the stand, and then explain why he was different
i think the point he's missing is that 99% of ALL the other officers WOULD charge Ramee with that felony. Cornwood is one of the very few officers that's willing to think outside the box at the big picture and even take an L for story sake. The other cops are decidedly NOT that way. They only seek to get W's out of every interaction they have and its horrible for rp
I understand Esfand's explanation here, but think that GSR+ should point to being charged and attempting to defend herself...... it made it so the judicial system is unlikely to make the needed to changes for these rulings
I agree, BUT based on their conversations and OOC commentary, it is beyond obvious that they are treating her completely differently than they did X, Murphy and Mr. K.
No they didn't? And they even tried using a recanted witness statement and then "forgot" to put in most of ramee's statement... then they put a warrant out, coincidentally, while he was in the cells for 30 minutes being a legal aid
Esfand say's it is up to "officer discretion" then says he would charge "Jean Paul". So is he referring to using ooc knowledge that Jean Paul is a criminal (he didn't have any charges before he got caught w/ the PD Glock) and ooc knowledge or a "hunch" that the PD Glock was probably planted? I can understand using officer discretion for little charges/misdemeanors but when it comes to a felony such as posession of a PD Glock that shouldn't even be up for debate, the way the precident has been going. Posession of a PD Glock = automatically guilty.
Using the word "hunch" brings back flashbacks of a certain cop losing power and then power coming back after being in a certain chat and then miraculously finding where an off duty incapacitated cop is😅
Everybody here seems to be forgetting all the stuff that Mr K said in the courtroom, as if the cops just forget that these things happen because of a pardon. The officers in his case screwed up, which has been said in-game by many officers, lawyers, judges, etc. And many of them thought he should have been not guilty, in game as well. Just because a previous person did something doesn't inherently mean everybody else has to do it too. And they know that there's been some stockpiling of PD weapons, same MO each time, so.... it's not brain surgery guys.
What K said to the judge in the courtroom " What if this happened to you?" was a hypothetical question, meant to illustrate potential bias and hypocrisy on part of the judiciary. The judge responded "bring it on", which proved K's point. The legal aid that he planted the gun on recently was the same one in his court case to argue that the weapon simply being on the body was enough to convict. This absolutely terrible legal argument was the one accepted by the judge. Why is she not demanding to be charged and pleading guilty for her crime?
Esfand should have charged Ramee with having the chest Armor. It was an OOC decision not to. Considering Esfand claims cornwood is for the laws and has integrity. However Ramee could of easily argued the Armor. Same can't be said for having a PD issued Firearm.
He really shouldn't have. There is no way to prove that chest armor was PD issued, because it can be crafted. There was no serial number, or any PD markings. Same is true for a lot of the items.. which can be either crafted or found through sanitation work. The "repossession" that cops have been doing at times in regards to these items have been essentially theft.
I get what Esfand is saying g about officer discretion, but the lawyer had a PD gun which is way more violent than an armor and she was found GSR positive
its also on devs. the blueprints for armor from benches should not have a serial, while cop ones should. also as far as everyone knows, u cannot craft ems gear, so why does it have a serial? lmao devs lazy i guess
I understand his point and I agree about acting in good faith... but hes reading the charge wrong and its shitty the whole revenge against bad faith gets treated with good faith.
Esfand is arguing what he did which we all agree is right because of content and it was a fun part but what K is doing after being charged showing you nerds arent for content its for the law and dub. Granted i can understand why you wouldnt charge her with all the circumstances being the police robberies of guns, casing found next to her, report of her being kidnapped. All points towards a no charge imo
Esfand is right... but the problem is... they did charge in all the other cases before, where they should not have.
Every time, when they caught someone with a pd gun they charged regardless of the evidence. So if they dont do it now, it is an extremely bad look for them. It shows the bias that 100% exists in the PD.
In my opinion, the most important training a police officer in no pixel has to go through (and has to understand) is what crimes to charge and what not to charge.
letter of the law bs
Simple rule for me would be if fellow officers are debating on whether the charge should be pressed then you don't press it, it's rp ffs. So many including cornwood will argue charges for an hour with other cops not to mention lawyers.
This is going to be really bad for the police if an investigation for corruption gets pushed, they set pres because of Murphy Braun when they charged him with possession of gov equipment. That means they are suppose to prosecute all similar cases the same. This shows a clear case of favoritism because everyone in similar situations was charged.
Only one that should've been charged was XQCs
@@FrankPierece found incapacitated, cuffed and gsr tested on spot before any medical how is that deserved
This server is ridiculous, it’s too much OOC favorite choices
My friend shouldn't be the reason but feeding anyone's invested RP should be.
They originally don't have to, but since they have charged every other individual before this and choose not to do it this time. That then turns into selective prosecution and opens another whirlwind of problems.
Yeah Ruth made it sound like it's not up to the cops to decide as they let the courts decide. This server is a fucking mess as no foundation was built so nobody knows how the city is expected to function.
I checked out the reddit as I was curi how mr k was convicted n comments said it was on mr ks defence lawyers to prove it was planted n they sucked at their jobs. This fucking roleplay, if shiobans job wasn't good enough as the vast majority thought it was then wtf is nopixel thinking? I like nathankb (crane) but his decision making running 4.0 is extremely disappointing. Multiple ppl think they're being targeted cause nopixel needs to build n decide foundation on the fly is embarrassing.
That is primarily part of the reason Moon is pushing for pardon on Dab for Mr K. Using their past as a RP scenario excuse for pushing the pardon. It's primarily about how terrible that court case was though. I wished that they charged this lawyer equally so that the RP can come full circle and pardons and law changes come through and its over. But now they arent charging her so its just gonna be another 2-3 weeks of some good RP and some RP that just turns people off. @@tihseht472
If it was the same officer that charged all of them and it's still the same officer choosing not to charge this lady, sure, but it's different officers viewing different situations, differently. People acting like the only way they wouldn't want to charge her is through meta, but it's absolutely possible that he looked at the case, thought there's no way she would actually have a police gun, and decided to delay charges purely through rp reasons. We have no idea what the reasons are and people are so pissed lol.
Selective prosecution goes against them all, not if its the same specific officer. Its the department as a whole, since the PD not prosecutors pursue charges on NP the PD at a whole is responsible for the selective prosecution. Either way Slacks made the decision on both.@@davidschmidt2081
In accordance with the current word of the law, she must be charged. Otherwise you're risking being sued for corruption if this information gets out - officer discretion has its limits.
If it was a crim tho it's a different story
+ K was not a crim at the moment. he had a clean record and GSR negative compared to that lawyer.
If that was Ramee......he would be charged in 5 seconds. Even as a lawyer with a clean record.........
Edit: Ramee was looking in a trunk....the lawyer was found with a PD gun......terrible comparison.
Edit again for the cop viewers : Esfand IC doesnt know that armor is PD only. In fact, you can literally craft armor at the bench...............
And it wasn't PD armor.
Its not a terrible comparison based on the law lmao. Ramee would have gotten arrested had it been a different cop like ruth or another by the book cop. Most of these people are friends.
He was looking in the trunk of a police vehicle and had an item purchased by an officer during the brief time between being fired verbally and being fired in the system.
Why is Esfand stuck on the chest armor? OOC he knows that armor is only PD issued but in character he DOESNT know that so, how is that a good comparison? It’s not.
you can craft armor on the bench
He is using the Ramee situation as an example, but in character he doesn’t know chest armor is only available to the PD. Obviously that has changed recently, but it also isn’t labeled as PD armor like a gun is so in character he can’t definitively say it is PD equipment
Wait i am OOTL, crims can buy armor now?
@gambigambigambi some can make it now. Ramee got his from Johnson buying it from the gun store
At the time, there were no stores that would sell it to somebody other than an officer though. Johnson buying it was still "to an officer" because that hadn't been removed yet, so it's still technically valid to call it police equipment. I mean, Johnson could have also gone over to MRPD and signed in on duty functionally, even though he was fired verbally.
I swear an officer got in trouble for using discretion on felonies before? According to Slacks they have no choice but to charge if they witness a felony, unlike misdemenors. Why do the rules constantly change when it affects different people?
there is a huge difference between not charging for a misdemeaner and a felony. giving the police the power to charge whenever with felonys creates a powerstructure that isnt supposed to happen. u would call that judge jury and executioner. like imagine a police officer witness assault with a deadly weapon and then be like "yea well, you are free to go i wont charge u"... thats not how its supposed to be. u actually HAVE TO charge felony's, especially possession felonys cause they are literally crystal clear. gun on person --> possession-->charge. what is happening here is a ignorance towards the justice system and is not how its supposed to go at all. with this the police can literally pick and choose who is a criminal and who is not...
That is such garbage logic saying that esfand would have or should have charged ramee for the chest armor , since esfand or more specifically cornwood would have NO WAY of knowing the difference between PD armor and Crim armor since one of them wasn't implemented yet (more accurately nobody had a blueprint yet) the PD GUNS ON THE OTHER HAND are legit labeled PD or government issued , idk why esfand even brought this back up since he conceded he wouldn't know if it was or wasn't pd armor since it wasn't labeled as such.
I don't know if I'm more worried about the bias or the fact Esfand believes all chest armor is pd issued because the charge says chest armor.
a prosecutor's discretion to not charge is based on factors like if they have enough evidence to win, or if it's worth the time and resources to pursue charges for the type of crime committed, valuable resources that could have been used for a case with higher priority.
They can't just choose not to charge for bias reasons. That's just corruption.
There's also timing though. A charge doesn't have to be brought immediately, and additional evidence could be gathered by releasing somebody rather than charging them.
WTF all cops meta gaming and use the info to fuck them over. Why cant they let a RP story play out? Instead they always arrest using stuffed situations to fuck over the rp'er, when this is supposed to be RP first server. All the best RP cops have been sacked. Can only RP they way they want you to RP I guess 😢😢
another issue is police incompetency where twice they failed to obtain Mr.ks dna, which would clear her case but again pd doesnt even stop to think they gotta chase the W
From the clips I have watched, both 4.0 and older... a lot of the times when police were involved, it seemed like they struggled to understand that they don't always have to go as hard as possible. It felt at times that they didn't even consider a possibility that they would not escalate, or refrain from writing a ticket at a stop in favor of giving a verbal warning instead. I'm not sure what the SOPs state specifically about situations and how much leeway there were in those directives, but it felt like _'once these circumstances are met, the officer is allowed to'_ was often read as _'the officer must'._ Maybe some characters, like James Randal, or Burn's fun gimmick characters were given preferential treatment, and maybe the exact opposite was afforded to some criminal characters - sure, makes sense. We've seen situations where a 'fun police' joined a situation, failed to read the room, and immediately downed a shit lord character, quickly bringing a fun situation/event to a stop. We've seen situations where scuff happens during a chase, and the other party stops and lets the scuffed party get fixed before continuing. Acting in good faith goes a long way. The K situation of being found guilty of possessing pd glock despite there being adequate amounts of in-game reasons to assume it may have been planted felt like people acted upon OOC knowledge of it not being planted and thus didn't bother to give the misleading false information the time of the day. They very well could have chosen not to push those chargers in that situation, like they are likely to do now with these pd gun plants and not charge in these situations by default. I dunno, feels like a dice roll at times - if you get a good faith rp arresting officer or a powergamer with a hunch.
Esfand is 1000% right here but the issue is, Fair and just officer descretion is used when it is not someone who is like K, ramee, X or any other Crim player or even Murphy, But when it is someone who also don't have charge but not a crim player then it is Ra different story.
It is literally Subjective adjudication of Rules and Procedures. i.e Weaponising SOPs. And that is what the root cause is with PD
Ruth uses every SOP to the T when it is against Den, Cornwood, Aziz etc. But when it comes to her Sr officers they start to "Investigate" to find anything that would make them not guilty.
Den got Dap for an Autharised pit for fk sake.
Esfand is so braindead in this case. There are already president set of PD pressing charges even if there is resonable doubt in the exact same cases. There is no president set on vehicle tampering. The dude went from crying about the PD being corrupt yesyerday to being a corrupt cop today.
"precedent" is for legal conclusions and maintaining consistency within how people are guilty or innocent, it's irrelevant to PD procedures.
@@Andrew-qu7lq You are confused brother. A cop in real life does not press charges, thats the DAs job and if they treat two cases that are very simillar differently with an arbitrary basis they can also be prosecuted. Since the PD on NP are also the DA they are responsible to follow the ethics of an attorney. Its clear grounds for malicious prosecution or bias because of race, sex, religion etc. If a DA or in this case on NP a cop were to press charges and were questioned on their bias they would have to be able to articulate the reasoning for treating the two cases differently, which they wouldnt be able to do without saying "Mr K was a criminal in 3.0 and i saw some clips of him doing criminal stuff".
@Mas-ij3ti nothing you said refutes or even addressed my comment. Precedent is about whether a judge should or shouldn't rule in a certain way. It has nothing to do with a prosecutor or police, or in this case since np has those roles somewhat combined, both. They can still refuse to take the case for their own opinion of being reasonable doubt that would not be enough to convict. Many cops and lawyers there thought the Mr K case should have been a not guilty verdict, and many said they wouldn't have pressed the charges.
In this clip by the way, Cornwood had not yet returned to the pd. He was there as the defense attorney for the victim.
I'm sorry this just stinks of OOC knowledge, they knew K never had it planted on him OOC and they knew the lawyer did and used this in game.
Very poor RP from what I call some great RPers
They charge mr k. With no proof gsr negative. And a gunshot
Wound in him. And they said letter of the law 9/10 possession … than this character gets found gsr positive and a gun and let go lmfao
looking in the trunk of a car is extremely different from having a police issued weapon on you good to know i dont have to watch the rest of this lmao
Yeah. People arguing "cornwood best and smartest cop!" when he doesn't even know how officer discretion works, and previously made a fool out of himself by being oblivious to the difference of criminal and civil liability a week ago.
The example used isnt a very good one. Theres been cases already done and precedents set for exactly what happend. By not charging her means the rest of the people already charged can win an appeal easily.
It also shouldnt be a cops job to decide on charges, thats the doj job. The police simply document the scene and submit to doj for assessment.
Ahh the ol' play dumb and deflect argument, top tier pd work
He wasn't back to PD yet, he was here as her defense lawyer by the way.
Comparing her pd gun to romey chest armor is really dumb.
it doesnt even say pd equipment
@@AbhishekGupta-ul8nm thats not the point. A defensive item vs a gun is a whole different thing. The two scenarios are totally different as well.
@@coffeedrinker2973 that's what I'm saying the armor doesn't even say govt issued item
Esfands argument does not make sense. No where does it say chest armor is pd equipment on the item. Not only that you can now craft it yourself so he was using knowledge outside of the game to come to that conclusion.
This server is literally ran on OOC wtf is this sht 😂 x charged, k charged, murphy charge and murphy used to be cgs lawyer for years thats why murphy was charged. X was charge because its x. They charged k even though his record was clean and they were supposed to forget he was a criminal so the cops broke the server rules.
Esfand is right 100%. And Cornwood as a defense attorney is just doing his job, and I KNOW if Cornwood was around, Mr. K wouldve never been charged to begin with. The problem is that it happened. And it better keep on happening until only a change in the law (either through a case where a Judge has the balls to set a precedent and not just "letter of the law" it away) or just new legislation. Any change of behavior until then is just so clearly biased and unfair
as a content creator, you also have to be aware of things that have happened prior and would be a continuation of an existing situation. If it was the first time we had seen this, your logic applies. The problem is, we have seen 2 major issues with this and then the question becomes, should this be a case of good for the goose good for the gander. Especially when the person now caught is part of an arc where its retribution to prove the point its a bad "law" as written.... especially if a certain judge winds up with a pd gun on himself, or judges I should say, and a couple of lawyers wind up with a pd gun on them.. then it becomes very good rp.
Them, choosing not to charge, makes case case, though, because all they have do is ask the question has a similar situation happened where it was treated any differently, and they have to tell the truth on the stand, and then explain why he was different
There are clips of Ruth saying “whenever someone has a gun we should be pushing charges” and then let the DoJ sort it out
If K was smart, he would not mind at all if cops do not charge anybody else found with PD guns cuz that opens up an easy law suit case against PD.
i think the point he's missing is that 99% of ALL the other officers WOULD charge Ramee with that felony. Cornwood is one of the very few officers that's willing to think outside the box at the big picture and even take an L for story sake. The other cops are decidedly NOT that way. They only seek to get W's out of every interaction they have and its horrible for rp
I understand Esfand's explanation here, but think that GSR+ should point to being charged and attempting to defend herself...... it made it so the judicial system is unlikely to make the needed to changes for these rulings
They have 30 days to press charges and to investigate. They did the same with k so idk why people are malding that she was let go?
I agree, BUT based on their conversations and OOC commentary, it is beyond obvious that they are treating her completely differently than they did X, Murphy and Mr. K.
No they didn't? And they even tried using a recanted witness statement and then "forgot" to put in most of ramee's statement... then they put a warrant out, coincidentally, while he was in the cells for 30 minutes being a legal aid
of course this would happen when ruth leaves making the pd look bad
i really thought 4.0 was going to be different but just late 3.0 with 4.0 numbers
Nah they do have to charge her otherwise public trust is lost. Without people’s belief in laws the system falls apart.
Esfand say's it is up to "officer discretion" then says he would charge "Jean Paul". So is he referring to using ooc knowledge that Jean Paul is a criminal (he didn't have any charges before he got caught w/ the PD Glock) and ooc knowledge or a "hunch" that the PD Glock was probably planted? I can understand using officer discretion for little charges/misdemeanors but when it comes to a felony such as posession of a PD Glock that shouldn't even be up for debate, the way the precident has been going. Posession of a PD Glock = automatically guilty.
Using the word "hunch" brings back flashbacks of a certain cop losing power and then power coming back after being in a certain chat and then miraculously finding where an off duty incapacitated cop is😅
Everybody here seems to be forgetting all the stuff that Mr K said in the courtroom, as if the cops just forget that these things happen because of a pardon. The officers in his case screwed up, which has been said in-game by many officers, lawyers, judges, etc. And many of them thought he should have been not guilty, in game as well. Just because a previous person did something doesn't inherently mean everybody else has to do it too. And they know that there's been some stockpiling of PD weapons, same MO each time, so.... it's not brain surgery guys.
What K said to the judge in the courtroom " What if this happened to you?" was a hypothetical question, meant to illustrate potential bias and hypocrisy on part of the judiciary. The judge responded "bring it on", which proved K's point. The legal aid that he planted the gun on recently was the same one in his court case to argue that the weapon simply being on the body was enough to convict. This absolutely terrible legal argument was the one accepted by the judge. Why is she not demanding to be charged and pleading guilty for her crime?
if it had been a criminal they would have charged so it just show the system is bad and not equal for every one :(
i mean this kind of proves mr k's point no? that although city has reset he was treated as a criminal and per officer discretion there is bias.
If the fine wasn't 100k I'd say CG should mirror this exact situation but with one of their boys just to further prove the point of bias
Esfand should have charged Ramee with having the chest Armor. It was an OOC decision not to. Considering Esfand claims cornwood is for the laws and has integrity. However Ramee could of easily argued the Armor. Same can't be said for having a PD issued Firearm.
He really shouldn't have. There is no way to prove that chest armor was PD issued, because it can be crafted. There was no serial number, or any PD markings. Same is true for a lot of the items.. which can be either crafted or found through sanitation work. The "repossession" that cops have been doing at times in regards to these items have been essentially theft.
I get what Esfand is saying g about officer discretion, but the lawyer had a PD gun which is way more violent than an armor and she was found GSR positive
A prosecutor can still charge for a felony even if the officer didn't think he had the evidence.
its also on devs. the blueprints for armor from benches should not have a serial, while cop ones should. also as far as everyone knows, u cannot craft ems gear, so why does it have a serial? lmao devs lazy i guess
Ems stuff has a serial number to see who bought it
esfands argument makes no sense given that the legal aid was arguing that k was guilty and her case has more evidence than his did
K wouldn't have been charged if it hadn't been for Ruth slacks was going to let it go.
I mean it’s just gonna piss k off even more can see pd wipe coming soon
He should’ve never been rehired.
I understand his point and I agree about acting in good faith...
but hes reading the charge wrong and its shitty the whole revenge against bad faith gets treated with good faith.
Esfand is arguing what he did which we all agree is right because of content and it was a fun part but what K is doing after being charged showing you nerds arent for content its for the law and dub.
Granted i can understand why you wouldnt charge her with all the circumstances being the police robberies of guns, casing found next to her, report of her being kidnapped. All points towards a no charge imo
He always has such bad takes.
it makes sense why its called copixel
i just know cg will get hated for voicing out and challenging biasness(for all who play crim since 3.0) on the server.
But screw mr KS arc right
Not a pd gun though
Bro chats love to argue and question trimmers. There is a reason they don't stream