Tony actually tried to argue that the Palestinian people deserved their oppression. Just like the slave owners argued that African Americans deserved their oppression as they feared potential resistance if they were freed. You can't make this ish up. 🤦🏾♀️
I am beyond thrilled to see him back out there. He is a brilliant voice, who sadly got turned off after his treatment by the highly egocentric, Dr. Cornell West.
I don't think it was they this time. I believe this one guy tried to ambush Coates unbeknownst to his co-hosts. And he should lose his job, but I am sure he won't.
Professor Coates stood on business and took Tony to school. He did it so well. Tony wanted a different response, but he got the well-informed perspective of a descendant of Jim Crow in America. Well done, Mr. Coates 👏🏾
😂😂😂😂 Dead ass!!!! 💯 Toni Dokoupil is a paper doll. A one dimensional, pretty face whoring for a check. Got his a"" handed to him for having the AUDACITY to say that sht on a set full of BP!! Cold and slow!!
@@anotherpointofview222 They always tag team up against Black Americans, all three team up on that angel investor foundation for Black women entrepreneur who was giving grants to Black women. I saw it on CBS Mornings UA-cam channel from 2 weeks ago. Karen should've did a video on that interview.
Tony tried to set up a straw man argument and got it burnt TF DOWN! 🔥🔥Ta-Nehisi is not just out there writing stuff he didn't think through. Thank you from this discussion!
Very glad you are covering this. This attack on Ta-Nehisi is appalling. What does Tony really mean by extremist and what is that backpack reference?! Disgusting🤮
In his interview with John Stewart the conversation turned to the heat Mr. Coates would receive. His response was that it would not measure up to what the Palestinians were going through. He ready.
@@parkerbrown-nesbit1747yeah Jon is the man. He’s always been on the right side of issues including this one going back decades now . Dude is LEGIT and I’ve been a fan of his since high school and I’m in my thirties now 😂
Love this conversation ! He is FREE!!!!! Tony is a punk! Straight up and Gayle and Nathan are punks too!! Sorry I couldn’t think of anything more justifying……. but these remarks fit!!!
The lightbulb finally came on for my neurodivergent lizard brain. What’s happening to the Palestinians is apartheid. There’s nothing complicated about this when it’s framed this way. You either for humanity or not. It’s that simple. I am just now understanding this. What is happening to the Palestinians is definitely inhumane.
In what way is it biased to call out an author about he book he writes which portrays a false narrative? It would be biased not to call him out. Is that what you prefer?
No, no, it was not biased; it was combat. It is a result of "affirmative action" which was designed to give exceptional Blacks a chance they may not have earned, based on the rationale that they may have been deprived from earning it because they attended poor schools or faced other disadvantage which back in the 60s was attributed to being "underprivileged" if you remember. However, when you hit the big times, like Coates, and are competing for the big accolades, you are supposed to have by then overcome your disadvantage, that is, you have already graduated from Harvard, Yale or Dartmouth, etcetera. Such is the case when you are competing in the mainstream as Black writers, journalists, politician, etcetera. However, suspicion of inferiority remains, and since scrutiny is ever higher for Blacks, who are often assumed to be fake, to have been artificially propped up, they have to be able to defend themselves better than their White counterparts who are not suspect. After all, it must be assumed: sooner or later someone will come for you, as Tony did, which in ghetto parlance is called getting "a n*gga wakeup call." Again, Coates was likely propelled by liberal largess, but as former Harvard president Ms Gay learned, if you cannot defend your position, you can be unceremoniously booted from it. But Coates did just fine, and can continue with his counter mainstream views, which is the whole purpose of getting and playing in the mainstream. Why? Because echoing the same line, same views as your White counterparts is boring and honestly, as a Black person, no progress. Blacks want to follow their own drummer and often take the contrarian view just to make a point - having a more accurate analysis notwithstanding. QED
"if Israel doesn't have a right to exist, why do the Palestinians have a right to exist". Tony doesn't say Palestine. He says Palestinians. Individual people have an inherent right to exist. Nations don't. Coates was amazing.
This made me remember when I had to demand that a “progressive” white woman boss at a so-called equitable, legacy white-led documentary organization to stop asking me to give special treatment to rich, lazy, entitlement white male filmmakers who had repeatedly complained about them because I gave them equitable treatment. I also had my own agenda too! I had 300 filmmakers I was working with and the pale one’s were insufferable. I went in to that job with the mission was all about opening doors for the Black folks. In a performance review where she said that I needed to be more compliant I told her, “I am one generation out of Jim Crow. I will not be privileging white men who are not only entitled but are rude. They aren’t even making their own films anyway. They hire good people then ride their backs to glory. It is STEALING. I will NOT have the ancestors coming down in me.”
How Nate and Gail sat quietly with no substance speaks volumes-even if we already knew they were typically weak we didn’t need another demonstration of it especially like this…
Ordered my book from Octavia's Bookstore today in Pasadena CA. Ta-Nehisi slayed the interviewer(who was biased & dismissive til the end) peorid. Gayle was late on the response and the book should be a required read!
As a Jew I can tell you that nothing about the state is “ Jewish”. It’s a secular state, not operating in Jewish law or even principles of Judaism. It exists in opposition to Judaism . There is no JEWISH ethnicity . And it’s not a safe place for Jews or anyone else. If you have to have a bomb shelter and people walking the streets with guns, and you only expand by waging violence against other people who are not Jews and committing violence against them, HOW IS IT SAFE? That state makes the world a more dangerous place for ALL JEWS by claiming, falsely to BE a “ Jewish” state. It doesn’t represent us. It’s not our government . We aren’t all citizens to that government with loyalty to it.
Let's not forget that it was the Khazars' choice to be in the land of Palenstine 'surrounded by enemies' as they claim. They accepted the decision of the Leagues of Nations (UN) in 1948 to transplant their people from the steppes of Russia (their homeland) and relocate to Palenstine. Meanwhile, Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote from his first-hand experience after visiting that region in the Middle East. Some people cannot accept truth when it's not what they want to hear. Thanks, Prof. Hunter, for having this conversation.
It gets deeper. Prior to 1948 there was no Israel. It was Palestine. It had been Palestine for thousands of years. In the late 1800s and the beginning 1900s Russian Jews wrote Palestinian authorities complaining about how the Jewish people were being decimated by pogroms, raids of Russian night riders in a drunken frenzy who would go into Jewish ghettos burning, and massacring Jews at will. THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITIES INVITED JEWS TO COME LIVE IN PALESTINE AS REFUGEES. The Palestinians, who were Muslims, Christians and Sephardic Jews with Muslims being the dominant majority saw the Askenazi and Khazar converted Jews as their brothers because they were all considered people of the book who abided by the Holy Scriptures revealed by the same one God. From 1900 the Ashkenazim Jewish people began trickling into Palestine. By this time the Ottoman Empire had collapsed and Palestine had become controlled by Britain as a British protected territory with Palestinians still governing under British control. In other words, the British had just taken the place of the Ottoman Turks, who ruled over the Palestinian authority, as the Turks had taken over from Arabs from Mecca, as the Arabs had taken over from the Catholic Church who had taken over from the Byzantines who had taken over from the Romans, etc. For as long as anyone could remember Palestinians always had someone occupying their land with some foreign power overseeing their government. Like the Palestinian King Herod who was supervised and controlled by the Roman Pontius Pilate. Nevertheless, everyone lived peacefully in Palestine for the most part. There were some clashes, and often among Jews themselves like between the original Palestinian Sephardic Jews and the newly arrived Ashkenazi/Khazari Jews over rabbinical practices and differences in interpretation of the law, but they resolved most of the issues and maintained peace until the end of World War II. From 1900 to the 1940s there had been a growing sentiment among some Ashkenazim who settled in Palestine that Jews deserved their own homeland and that they should not be governed by anyone but Jews. Other Jews, however, believed that their homeland would be given to them by the promised Messiah as ordained by God and that men should be patient and wait for God’s time. After the atrocities of Nazi Germany became apparent at the end of WWII, the Jews arguing for a homeland prevailed among Jews. They made political appeals to Great Britain, the US and other European nations. They appealed to their sense of guilt and the expedient concern that Jewish people must be protected from harm. They looked at regions of Uganda in Africa as a possible place for a homeland, Europe was considered, but most Jews agreed it had to be Palestine. When no one agreed to a diplomatic solution Jews turned to terrorism. Yes, Jews were the first terrorists against the British, the Palestinians and anyone not supporting the establishment of a Jewish homeland. Menachem Begin, Moshe Dayan, and Golda Meir all started as terrorists in Irgun and terrorist tactics turned into “freedom fighting,” which lead to further armed conflict that required foreign funding and military assistance. The Palestinian Civil War broke out with one side, the Jews, heavily supported by British and US military and finances. Palestinians were like, “why are you fighting us? We invited you here. We all lived peacefully as Palestinians.” Jews were like, “Yeah, but this land should be controlled by Jews anyway and our book says so.” It all came to a head when Jews in 1948 won the very onesided civil war against the Palestinian government, which again had existed peacefully for thousands of years, and this began the creation of the apartheid state of Israel. The very same year, 1948, when the apartheid state of South Africa was created also. Think it was coincidental? Read “The Broken Sword of Justice” if you can find it, for greater detail.
It’s deeper. The Palestinians invited Khazarian and Ashkenazim Jews to live in Palestine to escape the pogroms of Russia. The Palestinians, Muslims, Christians and Sephardim Jews all welcomed the Khazari/Ashkenazim Jews as they considered them all to be People of the Book. Yeah, I bet they regret that invitation.
@@jewuloNaw we ain't going for that! Although Mr Coates has clarified he's not an descendant of "slavery" hence the reason he says "I come from descendants of the Jim Crow era" because his bloodline came here willingly.
I saw this exchange as it aired. I wasn’t appalled . T Coates wrote a substantive book rarely told from this POV. Tony, the host, has a vested interest in Israel. He asked tough questions. (I wish Black interviewers would do the same regarding being Black in America.). Coates is well able to defend his work in an informative way. He knows why he wrote what he wrote. We need more T Coates. He answered with his chest! #TeamTCoates
The journalist Tony Doukoupil was so disrespectful towards Ta-Nehasi Coats. He was very out of pocket. I definitely want to buy Ta-Nehisi Coats book now.
He is a judeic terrorist that excuses bombing children as self defense, he defends apartheid as a necessary measure, he defends jewish supremacism as Israel's foundation pillar. He is scum directly.
Tony is Jewish which why he was being racist and bias over Coates book. It's interesting that they 3 host and 1 person dominates the entire interview. Gayle and the other dude stayed silent the whole time. It's seem like a setup and they tried to sabotage him. Trying to back Coates up in a corner. Unfortunately it backfired. Coates held his own and stood on 10 toes.
As are you and the majority of the race hustler, oppression gold medal winners when it comes to talking about other races, but Coates is somehow exempt from his OWN BAD IDEAS AND PEDDLING over the years? Gurl bye.
Gayle attempted to silence Ta-Nehisi when she saw him standing firm on his principles and values. Thank you, Mr. Coates, for demonstrating how to avoid falling into the trap. I’m going to purchase the book.
Your thoughtful responses to this interview helped me understand it much better. When I first saw the interview, I did not know why the questioner was so aggressive and combative, but you spelled it out for me. Coates really brought it home when he said "Jim Crow". That terms means different things to different people, but Americans know what it was and that it had to end. Thank you! Love your show!
I rewatched this several times because I wanted to believe I didn't hear what I heard. I have mostly disliked Tony Dukopil, not because of his life experiences and perspectives, but BECAUSE he refuses to accept that others have the same agency. (By the way, following the outbreak of the war in Israel last year, his two children from his first marriage relocated to New York from Israel.) Earlier this year, Ta-Neisi Coates was guest speaker at Abyssinian Baptist Church, which I watched online. What struck me most is that he offered his experience in his travels and how he likened it to Jim Crow.
Tony is Ukranian. We could ask him the same questions about why Ukranians do not submit to Russia. Wars over Crimea dominance are as "old as dirt and 2 days younger than muddy water..." Why haven't those Ukranians accepted their inferiority?
As a black American who’s great grandfather was a freed slave that had his home stolen in Jim Crow Tennessee! We can always relate to the American Jews who we consider to have a spiritual kinship with. We have tremendous love and gratitude for them helping us in the struggle of civil rights in this country. And we share the same liberal world view. But I should also be able to call out injustice when it comes to our Palestinian brothers and sisters and tell our Jewish brothers and sisters there is a better way to deal with the issue. In a way that benefits both sides.
Never forget it’s not all Jewish Americans , some of the strongest voices in America for Palestinian liberation are in fact Jewish. A lot of our Jewish brothers and sisters do not stand for the shit Israel does. In fact the group that supports Israel the most are WASP Americans.
I wish the media would go this hard at Trump, Vance, or any Republican for that matter. They seem scared out of their minds to challenge Republican talking points.
"How could a talented smart guy leave out so much?" This is the setup. Let's get you on the defensive, so you are twisted in your feelings from being intellectually pimped slapped... "I am concerned with those who don't have a voice. Where is the Palestinian Bureau Chief? What I saw were the stories I have not seen." "What offends you about a Jewish state?" Again, the false premise. He never said he hated Israel or disliked Jewish people. "States built on ethnocracy or based on ethnicity is wrong. I am a child of Jim Crow, American apartheid." Oops. "Why no agency for the Palestinians? What is their role?" UMM. "Either apartheid is right or it's wrong." Boom. It's not complicated.
When do American citizens learn something from the black horrible experience in America, continuous wars in the Middle East, South African like apartheid in Israel against the palestinians.The palestinians have a story also we're not allowed to hear their side of the story ? Truth + Wisdom = Peace ✌ 🙏 🙌 👏.
A much better discussion to watch is Jon Stewart and Ta-Nehisi Coates on the Daily Show. That show is entitled: The Message: Your Oppression Will Not Save You" and is 21 minutes of thoughtful, intellectual and humanitarian discussion about the themes in his book and the experiences that informed it. Stewart coming from a Jewish perspective still gets it as so many do. It was an excellent discourse.
Thank you for the definition of journalists as opposed to "news readers". This conversation would NEVER have happened with Cronkite, Murrow, or Brinkley. I am tired of those people who use their face on the network to browbeat others to submission. There is a reason why main-stream media is having such a tough time right now. Ratings are not the end-all to international conflict, and until those "suits" get down in the trenches, I don't have time for media "pretty people".
Tony manifested Exhibit A of Coates' example of biased reporting... practically on cue. How Coates managed to reply without snapping speaks volumes about both his integrity & intelligence. I heard a quiver in his breathing at first but the ancestors reeled his breath back in.
The guy was acting like a prosecutor questioning a hostile witness. He was putting words into the man mouth that didn't come from the book. It was a hot mess. Certain people do not want to acknowledge the black experience in the US and they don't think we deserve reparations but they think that their ppl are more oppressed than my people. Cut our check.
By contrast, the interview with John Stewart from The Daily Show was totally different. Gail didn't say 'a whole lot ' either. This is why our stories are important and why we must tell them!
How do victims of opression, subjugation, exploitation, White Supremacy, injustice , and domination “ take” peace? How do they “ take” something that the Zionists have never offered?
Exactly! If you read into it, they're offered an inch by giving up a country mile. When the occupying nation is taking it by force anyway, they couldn't have offered much... sad parallel to the government's treatment of Native Americans
And then trying to act magnanimous by saying that Prof would "still" be invited to high holy days. I lost two long-term friends (one 50-plus years) over this very discussion. I, a Black American, and they are both Jewish. Because I have compassion for a people who were invaded, occupied, and waged war on, they both accused me of being antisemitic., although they know this not to be true. They also see themselves as more oppressed than Black people although they both pride themselves on being able to "pass" for white when it's convenient.
And at the end of the interview the interviewer says “And by the way you’re still invited to high holiday “ the restraint Ta-Nehisi had to use to keep from snatching that dude Tony’s soul. That Tony Doukoupil was way out of pocket. Yeah, this was very heated.
Well Karen many of us understand when folks assume & come at us with preconceived notions. Tony accused the author instead of asking the author for clarity on particular issues in the book.
Smiling Faces Tony doesn't show concern for the people who are dogged day and night It doesn't matter what Israel does People like Tony will move the goal post to Israel s favor
The jump in logic from "Israel commits atrocities against Palestinians" to "Israel doesn't have a right to exist" is so large. The statement is hyperbolic and no one is calling this out. The mythology of Israel is so great it interferes with people's ability to think rationally.
I wonder if given the opportunity to interview President Carter 20 yrs ago, would he have the same smoke for President Carter who actually knows the Abrahamic history & the modern history and he even said what is happening to the Palestinians apartheid…
Tony actually tried to argue that the Palestinian people deserved their oppression. Just like the slave owners argued that African Americans deserved their oppression as they feared potential resistance if they were freed. You can't make this ish up. 🤦🏾♀️
His ilk were slave/plantation owners in Amerikkka.
It’s so disturbing! Like he’s really trying to rationalize dehumanizing Palestinians…it’s sick
If the interview lasted much longer, I'm sure Coates was going to flip the questioning around.
Absolutely disgusting.
Adverse possession…, that land belongs to Palestine.
Coates handled himself like a true master. He was clear, measured, informative, honest and eloquent
As the white man accused him of being a extremist
I am beyond thrilled to see him back out there. He is a brilliant voice, who sadly got turned off after his treatment by the highly egocentric, Dr. Cornell West.
I agree!
Always on point!!
When does he NOT handle himself like a true master? Every interview I've seen with him proves it.
They picked the right black writer to try and put on the hot seat.
I agree!
Try is the key word👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I don't think it was they this time.
I believe this one guy tried to ambush Coates unbeknownst to his co-hosts.
And he should lose his job, but I am sure he won't.
He was the wrong ****** to **** with!
They tried him ... and they failed.
Wanting people to be treated humanely is extremist?
Real Talk!!!
It is for the Beast…🤷🏽♀️
@@paulaj4433 EXACTLY, LMBO
It is when you explicitly don’t see them as humans, which they’ve stated over & over again.
“but don’t worry, they’re just Muslim/Arabs!”
Ta-Nehisi put it in terms anyone could understand. He did not say he was against Jews, he said he was again apartheid.
And that's how people always take it. Those things are not direct opposites!
He is a racist
Exactly 👍🏽
Professor Coates stood on business and took Tony to school. He did it so well. Tony wanted a different response, but he got the well-informed perspective of a descendant of Jim Crow in America. Well done, Mr. Coates 👏🏾
YOOOO.....The moment Ta-Nehisi Coates said "I'm the child of Jim Crow," Those producers in Gail's ear was like, "ABORT....ABORT MISSION!"
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yes. That had to be a setup. They were riding shotgun.
Those producers were like "Cut it! Cut it! Cut him off"
😂😂😂😂 Dead ass!!!! 💯 Toni Dokoupil is a paper doll. A one dimensional, pretty face whoring for a check. Got his a"" handed to him for having the AUDACITY to say that sht on a set full of BP!! Cold and slow!!
@@anotherpointofview222 They always tag team up against Black Americans, all three team up on that angel investor foundation for Black women entrepreneur who was giving grants to Black women. I saw it on CBS Mornings UA-cam channel from 2 weeks ago.
Karen should've did a video on that interview.
The way he dismantled the "right to exist" talking point was masterful
Absolute mastery
True!
Karen nailed it, “They can’t cancel him because he’s free”
That part
Tony tried to set up a straw man argument and got it burnt TF DOWN! 🔥🔥Ta-Nehisi is not just out there writing stuff he didn't think through. Thank you from this discussion!
THANK YOU! Been putting in the work for 20-30 years! T'ain't new to this!
😂😂😂 👍😆😉😅
Bye.. He has been dismantled MANY TIMES FOR HIS BAD IDEAS that dumb people like you YASS GURL over.
Very glad you are covering this. This attack on Ta-Nehisi is appalling. What does Tony really mean by extremist and what is that backpack reference?! Disgusting🤮
In his interview with John Stewart the conversation turned to the heat Mr. Coates would receive. His response was that it would not measure up to what the Palestinians were going through. He ready.
Yes he is😁😁
Yes, the way John Stewart interviewed him was very appropriate vs the paid OPs at CBS.
@@nnenne4
I don't think this clown needs to be paid. Dude got circumcised as an adult after marrying a Jewish woman, and wrote about it.
@@nnenne4Jon Stewart is a decent human being. And a better journalist than anyone on non-cable networks.
@@parkerbrown-nesbit1747yeah Jon is the man. He’s always been on the right side of issues including this one going back decades now . Dude is LEGIT and I’ve been a fan of his since high school and I’m in my thirties now 😂
"They cant cancel him because hes free"...a WORD.
☝🏽 *!!!!!!!!!*
A free black man next to two imprisoned black people ... eye opening.
Hallelujah
In order to be a true writer one ought to be free, and the messenger is indeed FREEEE.
Yeah that was a bar for sure!
The way Prof. Coates flipped the script and turned it back was a masterclass in refuting rhetoric!
Tony asked for the smoke and he got the smoke
And where there's smoke their's fire ... Gail saved Tony from the fire that was coming.
I wish she had let chef Coates cook a bit more.
He asked for smoke and got 🔥🔥🔥
*BLAZED IT UP*
*happened when he fanned the flames*
*where there's smoke, there's fire* !!! 🔥🔥🔥
Got two grenades worth of smoke 😂
And did. He literally came out the gate trying to call Ta-Nehisi an extremist.
He said WHAT HE SAID and he brought the receipts..ESPECIALLY when he mentioned Jim Crow.
Professor, Professor, Professor!!! This episode was masterful!
It was! So good!
Love this conversation ! He is FREE!!!!! Tony is a punk! Straight up and Gayle and Nathan are punks too!! Sorry I couldn’t think of anything more justifying……. but these remarks fit!!!
That was an intellectual cooking on live TV. The full Israel v Palestinian conversation has never been explained to the masses.
🎯💯
Welp, Tony.. you tried.. Unfortunately, Ta-Nehisi Coates is WAY smarter than you.
I knew Coates was an intelligent, talented, award winning young writer...but I just found out he is Brilliant!!!!!
You JUST found that out???? Dude is one of the greatest writers of our generation!
@@insidejah9293 I'm a lil slow. But I know now
@mka1967 You're not alone, but we're catching up!
The lightbulb finally came on for my neurodivergent lizard brain. What’s happening to the Palestinians is apartheid. There’s nothing complicated about this when it’s framed this way. You either for humanity or not. It’s that simple. I am just now understanding this. What is happening to the Palestinians is definitely inhumane.
Tony blew it. Plain and simple. There's a replay, reflection and apology needed by CBS to him and the viewing audience.
(Probably will never happen!)
I am so glad you talked about this! I been screaming in the ether about how biased that interview was. Insane.
In what way is it biased to call out an author about he book he writes which portrays a false narrative? It would be biased not to call him out. Is that what you prefer?
No, no, it was not biased; it was combat. It is a result of "affirmative action" which was designed to give exceptional Blacks a chance they may not have earned, based on the rationale that they may have been deprived from earning it because they attended poor schools or faced other disadvantage which back in the 60s was attributed to being "underprivileged" if you remember.
However, when you hit the big times, like Coates, and are competing for the big accolades, you are supposed to have by then overcome your disadvantage, that is, you have already graduated from Harvard, Yale or Dartmouth, etcetera. Such is the case when you are competing in the mainstream as Black writers, journalists, politician, etcetera.
However, suspicion of inferiority remains, and since scrutiny is ever higher for Blacks, who are often assumed to be fake, to have been artificially propped up, they have to be able to defend themselves better than their White counterparts who are not suspect. After all, it must be assumed: sooner or later someone will come for you, as Tony did, which in ghetto parlance is called getting "a n*gga wakeup call."
Again, Coates was likely propelled by liberal largess, but as former Harvard president Ms Gay learned, if you cannot defend your position, you can be unceremoniously booted from it.
But Coates did just fine, and can continue with his counter mainstream views, which is the whole purpose of getting and playing in the mainstream. Why? Because echoing the same line, same views as your White counterparts is boring and honestly, as a Black person, no progress. Blacks want to follow their own drummer and often take the contrarian view just to make a point - having a more accurate analysis notwithstanding. QED
"if Israel doesn't have a right to exist, why do the Palestinians have a right to exist". Tony doesn't say Palestine. He says Palestinians. Individual people have an inherent right to exist. Nations don't. Coates was amazing.
He said I am a child of Jim Crow and I have a moral compass!
Mic 🎤 🎙 drop
This made me remember when I had to demand that a “progressive” white woman boss at a so-called equitable, legacy white-led documentary organization to stop asking me to give special treatment to rich, lazy, entitlement white male filmmakers who had repeatedly complained about them because I gave them equitable treatment. I also had my own agenda too! I had 300 filmmakers I was working with and the pale one’s were insufferable. I went in to that job with the mission was all about opening doors for the Black folks. In a performance review where she said that I needed to be more compliant I told her, “I am one generation out of Jim Crow. I will not be privileging white men who are not only entitled but are rude. They aren’t even making their own films anyway. They hire good people then ride their backs to glory. It is STEALING. I will NOT have the ancestors coming down in me.”
Which makes him a racist.
How Nate and Gail sat quietly with no substance speaks volumes-even if we already knew they were typically weak we didn’t need another demonstration of it especially like this…
What could they say? TaNehisi is equipped to speak up and be clear about the problem. Gail and Nate are not.
@@oludumares_manifestation anything.
They were like deer in headlights
Yeah Gail knows who pays for her pearls
😂
The fact that this dude did that fake invite after insulting him demonstrates his privilege and ignorance
I saw it as a cover up, the interviewer realized how he would be perceived at the end so he extended that fake invitation cuz he knew he was screwed
Ordered my book from Octavia's Bookstore today in Pasadena CA. Ta-Nehisi slayed the interviewer(who was biased & dismissive til the end) peorid. Gayle was late on the response and the book should be a required read!
Me too!!!!
Me 3!!!🙌🏾
About to put in my order!
What was up with Gayle?
He stressed that Jewish….that guy really tried to turn that conversation, T Coates don’t play…and he means what he says
Yes. That was an attempt to use the Jews to condemn/cancel him...
Fortunately, the brotha stood his ground and corrected the foolishness.
As a Jew I can tell you that nothing about the state is “ Jewish”. It’s a secular state, not operating in Jewish law or even principles of Judaism. It exists in opposition to Judaism . There is no JEWISH ethnicity . And it’s not a safe place for Jews or anyone else. If you have to have a bomb shelter and people walking the streets with guns, and you only expand by waging violence against other people who are not Jews and committing violence against them, HOW IS IT SAFE? That state makes the world a more dangerous place for ALL JEWS by claiming, falsely to BE a “ Jewish” state. It doesn’t represent us. It’s not our government . We aren’t all citizens to that government with loyalty to it.
"who we believe is human" ... "who we don't believe is human"
100% spot on TNC! 💯
Bravo! 👏🏿 Bravo! ✊🏿 Bravo! ❤
Let's not forget that it was the Khazars' choice to be in the land of Palenstine 'surrounded by enemies' as they claim.
They accepted the decision of the Leagues of Nations (UN) in 1948 to transplant their people from the steppes of Russia (their homeland) and relocate to Palenstine.
Meanwhile, Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote from his first-hand experience after visiting that region in the Middle East.
Some people cannot accept truth when it's not what they want to hear.
Thanks, Prof. Hunter, for having this conversation.
Tis the very reason why these people REFUSE genetic testing!
It gets deeper. Prior to 1948 there was no Israel. It was Palestine. It had been Palestine for thousands of years. In the late 1800s and the beginning 1900s Russian Jews wrote Palestinian authorities complaining about how the Jewish people were being decimated by pogroms, raids of Russian night riders in a drunken frenzy who would go into Jewish ghettos burning, and massacring Jews at will. THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITIES INVITED JEWS TO COME LIVE IN PALESTINE AS REFUGEES. The Palestinians, who were Muslims, Christians and Sephardic Jews with Muslims being the dominant majority saw the Askenazi and Khazar converted Jews as their brothers because they were all considered people of the book who abided by the Holy Scriptures revealed by the same one God.
From 1900 the Ashkenazim Jewish people began trickling into Palestine. By this time the Ottoman Empire had collapsed and Palestine had become controlled by Britain as a British protected territory with Palestinians still governing under British control. In other words, the British had just taken the place of the Ottoman Turks, who ruled over the Palestinian authority, as the Turks had taken over from Arabs from Mecca, as the Arabs had taken over from the Catholic Church who had taken over from the Byzantines who had taken over from the Romans, etc. For as long as anyone could remember Palestinians always had someone occupying their land with some foreign power overseeing their government. Like the Palestinian King Herod who was supervised and controlled by the Roman Pontius Pilate. Nevertheless, everyone lived peacefully in Palestine for the most part. There were some clashes, and often among Jews themselves like between the original Palestinian Sephardic Jews and the newly arrived Ashkenazi/Khazari Jews over rabbinical practices and differences in interpretation of the law, but they resolved most of the issues and maintained peace until the end of World War II.
From 1900 to the 1940s there had been a growing sentiment among some Ashkenazim who settled in Palestine that Jews deserved their own homeland and that they should not be governed by anyone but Jews. Other Jews, however, believed that their homeland would be given to them by the promised Messiah as ordained by God and that men should be patient and wait for God’s time. After the atrocities of Nazi Germany became apparent at the end of WWII, the Jews arguing for a homeland prevailed among Jews. They made political appeals to Great Britain, the US and other European nations. They appealed to their sense of guilt and the expedient concern that Jewish people must be protected from harm. They looked at regions of Uganda in Africa as a possible place for a homeland, Europe was considered, but most Jews agreed it had to be Palestine. When no one agreed to a diplomatic solution Jews turned to terrorism. Yes, Jews were the first terrorists against the British, the Palestinians and anyone not supporting the establishment of a Jewish homeland. Menachem Begin, Moshe Dayan, and Golda Meir all started as terrorists in Irgun and terrorist tactics turned into “freedom fighting,” which lead to further armed conflict that required foreign funding and military assistance. The Palestinian Civil War broke out with one side, the Jews, heavily supported by British and US military and finances.
Palestinians were like, “why are you fighting us? We invited you here. We all lived peacefully as Palestinians.” Jews were like, “Yeah, but this land should be controlled by Jews anyway and our book says so.”
It all came to a head when Jews in 1948 won the very onesided civil war against the Palestinian government, which again had existed peacefully for thousands of years, and this began the creation of the apartheid state of Israel. The very same year, 1948, when the apartheid state of South Africa was created also. Think it was coincidental?
Read “The Broken Sword of Justice” if you can find it, for greater detail.
It’s deeper. The Palestinians invited Khazarian and Ashkenazim Jews to live in Palestine to escape the pogroms of Russia. The Palestinians, Muslims, Christians and Sephardim Jews all welcomed the Khazari/Ashkenazim Jews as they considered them all to be People of the Book. Yeah, I bet they regret that invitation.
Exactly!!!!!
Spot on! 🙌🏽
Ta-Nehisi is an African American treasure.
American Treasure. No need to qualify it.
@@jewuloNaw we ain't going for that! Although Mr Coates has clarified he's not an descendant of "slavery" hence the reason he says "I come from descendants of the Jim Crow era" because his bloodline came here willingly.
His parents spelled ‘Tennessee’ wrong on his birth certificate and I don’t blame them after trying to type that without autocorrect
@@KnataGuy Major fail. It didn't hit like you thought it would "KnataGuy" 🤣
@@804MRMAN facts is facts ‘yo’
I saw this exchange as it aired. I wasn’t appalled . T Coates wrote a substantive book rarely told from this POV. Tony, the host, has a vested interest in Israel. He asked tough questions. (I wish Black interviewers would do the same regarding being Black in America.). Coates is well able to defend his work in an informative way. He knows why he wrote what he wrote. We need more T Coates. He answered with his chest! #TeamTCoates
Prof Hunter! After I heard that interview, I absolutely could not wait to hear YOUR response! I waited all day to hear you!
Hope I delivered...
The journalist Tony Doukoupil was so disrespectful towards Ta-Nehasi Coats. He was very out of pocket. I definitely want to buy Ta-Nehisi Coats book now.
Whew and what I cannot abide with is disrespect
I just brought three. One for me, one for each of my black sons.
He is a judeic terrorist that excuses bombing children as self defense, he defends apartheid as a necessary measure, he defends jewish supremacism as Israel's foundation pillar. He is scum directly.
Awesome conversation! Thank you for making it plain T. Coates.
This is one strong, intelligent man and I'm so proud to know he's a brother!
“They can’t cancel him cause he’s free” madam hunter
Congratulations on the 200K Ms. Hunter. Onward and upward!!!
thank you...and it's 200,000 really good, engaged, smart people who want to see a fairer world.
What an intelligent brother , man he was sharp .
May God continue to bless, PROTECT, guide and support Professor Coates and his unmatched brilliance!❤
Tony is Jewish which why he was being racist and bias over Coates book. It's interesting that they 3 host and 1 person dominates the entire interview. Gayle and the other dude stayed silent the whole time. It's seem like a setup and they tried to sabotage him. Trying to back Coates up in a corner. Unfortunately it backfired. Coates held his own and stood on 10 toes.
Unfortunately for Tony
As are you and the majority of the race hustler, oppression gold medal winners when it comes to talking about other races, but Coates is somehow exempt from his OWN BAD IDEAS AND PEDDLING over the years? Gurl bye.
He’s a Jewish CONVERT!! And if you know about religious fuckers, converts are the absolute worst. They are so bought into their shit it’s ridiculous.
Gayle attempted to silence Ta-Nehisi when she saw him standing firm on his principles and values. Thank you, Mr. Coates, for demonstrating how to avoid falling into the trap. I’m going to purchase the book.
Dr. Carr foresaw this. Can't wait for Saturday's class.
I, 😊 too am awaiting "The Knarrative."
The only good thing Ronald Reagan ever did, was when he ceased to exist.
I'll take a drink to that
Your thoughtful responses to this interview helped me understand it much better. When I first saw the interview, I did not know why the questioner was so aggressive and combative, but you spelled it out for me. Coates really brought it home when he said "Jim Crow". That terms means different things to different people, but Americans know what it was and that it had to end. Thank you! Love your show!
When I saw this interview I first got hot. Then I saw the masterful way he changed scenario. Laughed and then said wow. Amazing ❤
I rewatched this several times because I wanted to believe I didn't hear what I heard. I have mostly disliked Tony Dukopil, not because of his life experiences and perspectives, but BECAUSE he refuses to accept that others have the same agency. (By the way, following the outbreak of the war in Israel last year, his two children from his first marriage relocated to New York from Israel.) Earlier this year, Ta-Neisi Coates was guest speaker at Abyssinian Baptist Church, which I watched online. What struck me most is that he offered his experience in his travels and how he likened it to Jim Crow.
Tony is Ukranian. We could ask him the same questions about why Ukranians do not submit to Russia. Wars over Crimea dominance are as "old as dirt and 2 days younger than muddy water..." Why haven't those Ukranians accepted their inferiority?
As a black American who’s great grandfather was a freed slave that had his home stolen in Jim Crow Tennessee! We can always relate to the American Jews who we consider to have a spiritual kinship with. We have tremendous love and gratitude for them helping us in the struggle of civil rights in this country. And we share the same liberal world view. But I should also be able to call out injustice when it comes to our Palestinian brothers and sisters and tell our Jewish brothers and sisters there is a better way to deal with the issue. In a way that benefits both sides.
Never forget it’s not all Jewish Americans , some of the strongest voices in America for Palestinian liberation are in fact Jewish. A lot of our Jewish brothers and sisters do not stand for the shit Israel does. In fact the group that supports Israel the most are WASP Americans.
I wish the media would go this hard at Trump, Vance, or any Republican for that matter.
They seem scared out of their minds to challenge Republican talking points.
"How could a talented smart guy leave out so much?"
This is the setup. Let's get you on the defensive, so you are twisted in your feelings from being intellectually pimped slapped...
"I am concerned with those who don't have a voice. Where is the Palestinian Bureau Chief? What I saw were the stories I have not seen."
"What offends you about a Jewish state?"
Again, the false premise. He never said he hated Israel or disliked Jewish people.
"States built on ethnocracy or based on ethnicity is wrong. I am a child of Jim Crow, American apartheid."
Oops.
"Why no agency for the Palestinians? What is their role?"
UMM.
"Either apartheid is right or it's wrong."
Boom.
It's not complicated.
When do American citizens learn something from the black horrible experience in America, continuous wars in the Middle East, South African like apartheid in Israel against the palestinians.The palestinians have a story also we're not allowed to hear their side of the story ? Truth + Wisdom = Peace ✌ 🙏 🙌 👏.
A much better discussion to watch is Jon Stewart and Ta-Nehisi Coates on the Daily Show. That show is entitled: The Message: Your Oppression Will Not Save You" and is 21 minutes of thoughtful, intellectual and humanitarian discussion about the themes in his book and the experiences that informed it. Stewart coming from a Jewish perspective still gets it as so many do. It was an excellent discourse.
definitely...but this was the interview that Coates got to expose the hypocrisy...so much more valuable.
@@KarenHunterShow Very true. It was an exchange to set your hair on fire and have you yelling at the TV.
He needs to be fired!!! How insulting -
Did he try and paint him as anti-Semitic.? That is really insulting. He's trying to pull his chain to get him to react.
👏 that was crazy he disrespected the wrong black man.
Thank you for the definition of journalists as opposed to "news readers". This conversation would NEVER have happened with Cronkite, Murrow, or Brinkley. I am tired of those people who use their face on the network to browbeat others to submission. There is a reason why main-stream media is having such a tough time right now. Ratings are not the end-all to international conflict, and until those "suits" get down in the trenches, I don't have time for media "pretty people".
Tony manifested Exhibit A of Coates' example of biased reporting... practically on cue. How Coates managed to reply without snapping speaks volumes about both his integrity & intelligence. I heard a quiver in his breathing at first but the ancestors reeled his breath back in.
The guy was acting like a prosecutor questioning a hostile witness. He was putting words into the man mouth that didn't come from the book. It was a hot mess. Certain people do not want to acknowledge the black experience in the US and they don't think we deserve reparations but they think that their ppl are more oppressed than my people. Cut our check.
Yes. Great conversation and comeback by Tah Nehasi Coates
By contrast, the interview with John Stewart from The Daily Show was totally different. Gail didn't say 'a whole lot ' either. This is why our stories are important and why we must tell them!
Gayle is staying out the Israel convo to keep her job.
I was so pissed off I bought the book straight away!!!
Coates said don’t start none, won’t be none!!!✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Thanks for bringing this out Karen
Why was this dude allowed to ask these questions? Who said he could? And when will his behavior be addressed? Because he had an agenda!
Yep, producers with agendas.
I love coming to class with Professor Hunter! 💯
Ta-Nehisi Coates is all well-informed and always well prepared for the foolish.
Ok if the Palestinians were offered peace as he said and they didn't take it then my question is offered peace at the expense of what?
How do victims of opression, subjugation, exploitation, White Supremacy, injustice , and domination “ take” peace? How do they “ take” something that the Zionists have never offered?
Exactly! If you read into it, they're offered an inch by giving up a country mile. When the occupying nation is taking it by force anyway, they couldn't have offered much... sad parallel to the government's treatment of Native Americans
Why should i be expected to concede my sovereign state and accept peace from invaders!?
@@mellowseller9762 who said you should?
@@tynece8594 it's okay for you to use your critical thinking skills when conversing with me.
I just bought two copies of “The Message” and I will not watch CBS Mornings until Tony Dokoupil is ghostwriting on Fiver!
Ahhh 🤣
“Perspective you have outlined” love it!
He obviously a master of words and thought. Who did that host think he was dealing with?😂
Finally!! 😂😂😂 ... i agree with Professor Hunter..... trying to paint him as Antisemitic is sick and twist...
And then trying to act magnanimous by saying that Prof would "still" be invited to high holy days.
I lost two long-term friends (one 50-plus years) over this very discussion. I, a Black American, and they are both Jewish. Because I have compassion for a people who were invaded, occupied, and waged war on, they both accused me of being antisemitic., although they know this not to be true. They also see themselves as more oppressed than Black people although they both pride themselves on being able to "pass" for white when it's convenient.
I've never seen a host treat a guest like this. CBS morning show has been slipping. It dumbs down their viewership.
Tony was just as rude and dismissive of Secretary Miyorkas. He has issues that CBS needs to address.
Ta-Nehisi is my hero! He not only spoke truth to power, but he left no crumbs!!!
Exactly Karen it definitely comes down to are you for humanity or not for humanity. There are no in betweens.
Tony is,and always will be,an intellectual lightweight. Apparently,we now have to acknowledge him as a racist as well
He is definitely free….
Yes!! Enjoyed this exchange and break down of this disrespectful interview. Well done 👍🏿
Just ordered my copy from a black owned book store.....more expensive than the big stores but we have to support our black owned businesses.
VOTING Jill Stein 2024! Only candidate not controlled by AIPAC / corporations
LMAO!
Jill Stein is Putin plant to split Democratic votes please don’t follow shiny object
Mr. C. is an intellectual ninja. When justice, equity, and intellectual thoughtfulness, honesty, and brilliance are on the line, TNC is TNT.
And we expect a Jewish Antony Blinken to negotiate a cease fire in good faith?
Ta-Nehesi has the patience of Job to put up with all that vvyte splaining going on. Once again the victimizer is playing the victim.🙄
And at the end of the interview the interviewer says “And by the way you’re still invited to high holiday “ the restraint Ta-Nehisi had to use to keep from snatching that dude Tony’s soul. That Tony Doukoupil was way out of pocket. Yeah, this was very heated.
Remember, we're not supposed to have a mind of our own when it comes to Massa. lol
Coates has a beautiful soul. ❤
Well Karen many of us understand when folks assume & come at us with preconceived notions. Tony accused the author instead of asking the author for clarity on particular issues in the book.
He didn't want clarity. He felt attacked by TAC words in the book.
Thank you, don’t fold, show up with who you are entirely! Preach Sister!❤❤
Love this conversation and the observations & critique of the host. With all due respect, this is NOT a WAR. THIS is genocide!
Smiling Faces Tony doesn't show concern for the people who are dogged day and night It doesn't matter what Israel does People like Tony will move the goal post to Israel s favor
Coates told no lies!!!!!
Ive been waiting for you to address this. I watched it live. And I'm not disappointed in your discussion!
Amen. Always against whiteness, love it Karen. Im with you.
Well done Professor Coates! Teach!
Putting words in someone's mouth isn't journalism
Great discussion, folks. And kudos to Mr Coates.
The jump in logic from "Israel commits atrocities against Palestinians" to "Israel doesn't have a right to exist" is so large. The statement is hyperbolic and no one is calling this out. The mythology of Israel is so great it interferes with people's ability to think rationally.
he tried it...
I love your mind ,Karen. You are the peoples champion...
I wonder if given the opportunity to interview President Carter 20 yrs ago, would he have the same smoke for President Carter who actually knows the Abrahamic history & the modern history and he even said what is happening to the Palestinians apartheid…
Appartied is wrong no matter who does it.