As a very happy Catalina 445 owner, I'd say you hit the nail on the head! Our Catalina sails well on all points of sail, doesn't pound in a seaway with no creaking down below, and is comfortable at anchor. My wife and I are in our late sixties, and find this boat easy to handle in the ocean as well as in tight marinas. She's well built with over sized deck hardware, points well, and sails 5-6 knots in 8-9 knots of breeze. For a fairly heavy cruiser, that's darn good! By comparison, I've raced on a Beneteau Oceanis 45 and crewed on the new Jeanneau 440. I found that neither boat points well... a full 10-15 degrees lower... and both are slow in light air. Also, the swept back spreaders make it impossible to sail dead down wind. While that wide transom helps in heavy air, it's a hindrance in light air, creating a lot of drag. And let's face it, most of us are sailing with our wives and family and most days avoid anything more than 20 knots of wind. So these boats offer very limited sailing performance. Big beamy boats make great "dockominiums", but are disappointing under sail. That's just a fact that doesn't seem to make it into the cruising magazines. Lastly, we're still in love with the interior of out boat. It's beautiful and comfortable with a spacious main salon. I will say that the sleeping accommodations are not as spacious in our 445, but they are more than adequate. The european manufacturers are following IKEA construction methods that (in my opinion) will not stand the test of time. My wife and I went to the Newport Boat Show this year and came away knowing we purchased the right boat 5 years ago. We wouldn't trade her for anything! Thank you Catalina for building a great boat and thank you Practical Sailor shining a light!
You nailed it. Just subscribed. Rented the new Bene 34.1 for Almalfi Coast sail, wife & I loved downwind & cruising comfort. However, thankfully, she pounded upwind, saving me upgrade $$$$, keeping our old Cal 33. Appreciate your honesty.
Me, and I belive most of us follow you here at Lady K and Practical Sailor because of the info you post, and your charisma. Thaks a lot for all your hard work.👏👏👏
@orrinkahm I agree 100%, this is the best/most informative sailing channel. And Tim doesn’t waste our time with bikini nonsense. (If that’s what one wants, there are plenty of other sites filling that void.)
Congratulations brother 👏🏼🙂 Looks like you made it to 100K subscribers by my screen 😲 As an aspiring sailor with the dream for the last 8 years, as a Canadian 🇨🇦, and as a student and world citizen, I salute you and want to thank you for saving so much money, time, and the oh so many lives with your knowledge. Time to redeem that play button for all your hardwork!! ✌🏼💜🙏🏼
Yes, well done. Missing Annapolis this year 😂 Hope to be aboard my boat (Tartan 37) next year in the harbor & working/volunteering next. From Ashtabula, OH on Lake Erie, we appreciate you & your knowledge. Be well, hope the weather is lovely!
I've got a UFO 34, she's old and cramped but if it can survive the 1998 Sydney to Hobart AND the 1979 Fastnet, i couldn't care less, its nice knowing she will carry me through the heavy weather each and every time.
My wife circumnavigated the southern ocean ona Wylie 39’ performance cruiser in 8 months and it wasn’t what most people think is a blue water boat. Spade rudder, fin keel tall rig etc. But, she and her partner knew wtf they were doing and things went reasonably well.
Glad to see you made it to 100k..... 500k next! I'm only just getting into this whole sailing thing and your videos are some of the best. I always learn a lot of interesting stuff. Keep up the awesome work mate.
lol ♪ Fat bottom girls make the world go around ♪ good one Mark ~
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I agree, this summer I was on V-shaped Beneteau 38.1. It was nice on a flat sea but when swell picked up, it wasn't comfortable at all to sail upwind. Such a difference to Bavaria 46, which was behaving much better in rough seas.
Jeanneau Sunrise 34... An excellent compromise and probably the last decent boat model built by Jeanneau before they started making charter boats... just lift the floor boards and you'll see... and it also has a half skeg. Yes my old S&S IW31 was true blood but as liveaboard comfort, there is no comparison and this really makes a difference. Congratulations for the first 100K subscribers!
Congrats on the 100 K! Thanks, I didn’t know that twin rudders had problems at slow speeds, but I’m sure makes sense. Also, I’m in the Pacific Northwest and there’s a lot of wood in the water. I think twin rudders would be much more at risk of damage. If the rudder is behind the key, it should be bit protected. Any comments or numbers on that?
My friend's late father's Farr 52 lays at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean due to the unprotected spade rudder striking what they believed to be either a sun fish or a whale. My friend was onboard, at the time. It sank quickly. Fortunately, this happened during daylight hours and in lightish conditions during a Sydney to Hobart race, some years ago. A competitor answered their mayday call and the crew almost literally stepped up onto the life raft on one side and up onto the safety of the rescue vessel on the other. There were no injuries. I recall the skipper being interviewed on TV following the loss of the Yacht (Georgia), and I remember my mate's recollection of the event. It has never left my mind just how lucky they were, that day, and how in only slightly different circumstances a tragedy would have been just as likely outcome.
Wrong! These boats are amazing party pads at anchor in the Pacific Northwest! Take that, Bayliners! Plus, we don’t look like the Space Shuttle!! Ok, we are sailing barges…..
I agree with the points you make, though I think we need to be honest and clear about the market research that the volume manufacturers put into the design of these boats. They are very well packaged for their intended purpose. They are second/weekend homes, ideal for entertaining and sun lounging in the med. Typically they will be used at weekends and for a month in the summer - just walk through a typical marina on a windy Wednesday morning and see how many are out there! The charter/flotilla customers will love the space and multiple large cabins and heads. They will give a good turn of speed for primarily day sailing between marinas and sheltered anchorages. They will happily cope with a longer two or three day crossing and occasional overnight passage in good (summer) weather. Yes, they will slam in a blow or rough seas, but these boats won’t be out then and if they get caught out, the double figure cruising speed under engine means it will be a quick dart into shelter. Unreliable bow thrusters? Tired fittings and interiors? Very possibly, but those issues are either under warranty or will become an increasing problem for the second/third owner. Long after the new boat purchaser has moved on to the updated model. The volume manufacturers know their customers needs and the price point they want to pay for the features. Now, if you were looking for a live aboard boat to circle the world in comfort and safety in any weather you would not be in this market segment. Yes, I know people do and good luck and love to them! There are manufacturers out there who will very happily meet your needs of those who want a boat with long legs and they charge corresponding price tags. We can’t complain that an average midrange family car does not have the features, refinements, and practicality of a high spec fully kitted out off roader. Why would we think we could with boats.
Thank you, IMHO wide rear ends do not only slam into waves up- wind, they also suck down-wind, if the swell is slightly offset from the course. The stern slides down the wave, the boat yaws heavily and make steering very difficult,. You need to change course or rig a preventer in order to avoid accidental gybes.
Good to see you doing well, Timster! Congrats on reaching 100K. I recently found your content and catch vids as time allows. Still sailing Free Ride on the hard since the acquisition- maybe splashing her in the spring after I finish up the last items on the refurb. Life got in the way in the interim... good thing plastic lasts. Anyhow, keep up with the good content! Cheers! Matt
Good idea to shop new boats to see what we'll be buying in 10-20 years! I do that with used boats. I'm waiting for some sugar scoops to get old enough to be affordable. Great to hear the old theme song again. Congrats in advance to 100k!
Twin rudders can come in very handy - especially when sailing across the ocean. Every year a few yachts are abandoned at sea because they lose a rudder and cannot be steered - this is especially so when the yacht has only a spade rudder with no protective skeg. Expensive! Without the long keel of traditional designs they are too skittish to keep on course by balancing the sails. Having two rudders reduces the chance that steering will be lost. That said - for ocean sailing a traditional deep V keel which provides sea-kindliness and protects the rudder (a full keel or keel hung rudder) is ideal for comfort and safety. Excellent commentary regarding the design of these big dinghies, however.
I’ve seen a few of these double rudder boats struggling in harbours quite a few times. I prefer double helms controlling one runner…. Hope you reach the 100k real soon… I’ll make sure to share your channel anytime I can.
Thanks again for explaining this ‘problem’ so well. And thus justifying my choice of a Catalina 400 over the new Beneteau 41. I like the best of both worlds solution that the Catalina offers to allow sailing on all points of sail. Still curious though about the blue water capabilities of the Catalina 400, if properly fitted out. Which my new ‘old’ boat is.
Congrats, looks like you hit the 100K mark. Been spreading the news on your super helpful site and advice. Got a question. If you purchase a vessel in Canadian waters and Canadian owned are you subject to VAT. With the exchange rate (US)as it currently is this makes some sense. Paying VAT would of course change the scenario. I think it is 2% or something like that? Keep up the great work!
I was crew on a trip to Bermuda. Slept in the v-birth. I was literally lifted into the air and slammed down every 15 seconds. It's a tough slog through the Gulf Stream; but, I think it's worse with these wide boats.
I find it unusual to sail up wind at 40 degrees or so except when racing. I've sailed offshore and never noticed the slamming of the bow being excessive. There are lots of factors that effect this like rig weight aloft, weight in bow, etc. Most boats like this have a U shaped bottom Infront of the keel. It only flattens out behind the keel.
Congratulations on the play button. I only got here a year or so ago, but have enjoyed your videos immensely. I'll be at the Annapolis boat show (my first one as I get nearer to retirement), but not until Monday, so I'll not be seeing you around. Maybe next year. More catamarans !! My wife insists on a cat, and I'd love to learn more about them.
You give so much great info, This fat vid , I'm a power boater wanting to goto a catamaran but it is the $$$, But the fat sailing is very attractive as we just like the space
As a cruiser. 1. I do not like sail drives. A cost cutting solution that you pay for in the long run. And 2. Those twin rudders sticking out there are just screaming. Foul me! Break me!
Congrats on 100K! UA-cam says you have 100K as I'm posting this. I'm holding them to it. 🙂 That boat looks like a floating Winnebago. Herreshoff called them "Skimming Dishes". 🙂 Thanks for the video!
These flat big rear boats are aimed at the rental market IMO so they are big spaces on the water. I prefer my 36 foot single rudder sailboat any day of the week, and don’t get me started on the light wood ikea interiors compared to older darker mahogany wood boats. My boat is solid, not creaky when walking inside like some of the modern boats.
took my first and new to me old boat out a couple weeks ago single handed for 3 days and nights cruising a local lake... no real issues... my outboard could use a tune
You just don't know how to sail it to weather if you're having these problems. These boats aren't meant to be healed over, they are meant to be sailed to flat. Loosen that main sheet or if the wind is blowing and you need a flat sail move the traveler. Destroyer plumb bows have been used a lot because they limit pitching. They don't increase it. Less pounding, not more. This is because they don't increase forward buoyance as much. Read the Fastnet Race report on this. They use twin rudders for going upwind, not downwind. The reason for that is when the rudder is normal to the surface the lift vector from it is greater with less drag. The angle the rudder sticks out at is the angle the boat is designed to go to weather at. And the keel is And the form stability is far greater. Which makes them easier to sail flat.
I played with my channel and stuck young Natasha on the bow in a bikini. Four times as may hits as the others in the series, and 45 more subscribers. Go with what works! All kidding aside, those fat bottom sterns also (generally) fail to point as high when going to windward. They can't (or the owners won't) heel the boat over to point and, from what I've seen in the Pacific Northwest, most owners cover the cockpit with canvas, load up the side decks with paddle boards or kayaks, carry the dinghy on the foredeck, and never go sailing (unless, of course, the wind is perfect and in the right direction). Basically, an efficient power boat hull with a mast. The owners and crew don't know what they are missing! Certainly not "sailing".
Tim, "...and if all you're plan to do is sailing down wind or on a reach..." Good points, you make (who am I, Yoda?) but if one IS planning a long cruise, crossing oceans and doing the vast majority down wind or on a beam, that type of design will be fantastic. TBS, I do like the Catalinas, And congratulations on hitting 100 K!
Ok , moving slowly forward with twin rudders into a marina berth can be challenging, reversing in , no problems. Bow thrusters are just as reliable as anchor winches . Most cruising is planned as Downwind ...! Cruisers spend 90+% at anchor or stationary , so getting to anchor or port in possibly half the time makes sense plus the safety of being exposed to the weather at sea is reduced .
It's been our pleasure Tim..Yep, the twin rudder & reliance on bow thrusters bothers me as ex RAN. This seems to oppose the last PS video. Cheers from inland Canberra.⚓
I saw the couple Dan and Kika from Sailing Uma sail the Salona 46I a boat built in Croatia. It had the wide stern and two propellers. That boat handled very well in port. But it too had that 90 degree bow. It seems to me if future boats returned to something closer to a 45 degree bow, it would be much better.
The French boats often have trickle down design cues from the Vendee Globe boats. They scream downwind but not so much fun upwind. I'm sure you'll pass that 100k crest soon!
I miss her intros! Not going to make it down on Friday, but I'll be wandering about on pyscho Saturday. My wish list boat is sitting on jack stands somewhere on the Chesapeake, I don't have the money for one of these fancy new boats - not even sure I make enough to TOUR them LOL!
Hi I like your comments I am presently in block island sailing to Martha’s Vineyard on my 40.1 One comment i can say with the new boats you don’t care as much. On currents I sail at 9 nots so loosing 2 nots does not effect my d’édition to sail somewhere And yea i would not buy this boat without a bow thruster On motor i go 7.6 so i prefer the new hulls
I used to think the same as you till I started ocean racing on light flat hulls. To my surprise they slammed almost nothing even in confused seas and the bow threw off much less spray than V bows. I found these wide lighweight crafts much more comfortable than 70's style hulls. Don't forget the long overhangs on the old boats creating a terrible pitching motion and excessive roll and pitch due to narrow hulls and heavy masts. Finally in terms of safety, modern fast boats go upwind up to 50% faster and downwind up to 100% faster getting you to port earlier. They zig-zagg less too because their double rudders work like a surfboard's keels or the feathers of an arrow. They all have deep bulbed keels to turn you over in seconds. What you are comparing are top heavy, modern cruisers with flat bottoms pretending to sail well but focusing mainly on interior space but are an abomination out in the water. The best sailboats are light, fast and carry only the essential loads. Try cruising on one and you'll have a blast.
The upwind performance you can manage by increasing the heeling, but on anchorage the get realy bad! More swajen and the flat body makes it even more bumpy. So a lot more Stress on boat, anchor and guest
I've been a subscriber for a year. Thanks for not wearing a bikini!!!
As a very happy Catalina 445 owner, I'd say you hit the nail on the head! Our Catalina sails well on all points of sail, doesn't pound in a seaway with no creaking down below, and is comfortable at anchor. My wife and I are in our late sixties, and find this boat easy to handle in the ocean as well as in tight marinas. She's well built with over sized deck hardware, points well, and sails 5-6 knots in 8-9 knots of breeze. For a fairly heavy cruiser, that's darn good! By comparison, I've raced on a Beneteau Oceanis 45 and crewed on the new Jeanneau 440. I found that neither boat points well... a full 10-15 degrees lower... and both are slow in light air. Also, the swept back spreaders make it impossible to sail dead down wind. While that wide transom helps in heavy air, it's a hindrance in light air, creating a lot of drag. And let's face it, most of us are sailing with our wives and family and most days avoid anything more than 20 knots of wind. So these boats offer very limited sailing performance. Big beamy boats make great "dockominiums", but are disappointing under sail. That's just a fact that doesn't seem to make it into the cruising magazines. Lastly, we're still in love with the interior of out boat. It's beautiful and comfortable with a spacious main salon. I will say that the sleeping accommodations are not as spacious in our 445, but they are more than adequate. The european manufacturers are following IKEA construction methods that (in my opinion) will not stand the test of time. My wife and I went to the Newport Boat Show this year and came away knowing we purchased the right boat 5 years ago. We wouldn't trade her for anything! Thank you Catalina for building a great boat and thank you Practical Sailor shining a light!
Thank you for such an informative comment from real owner. Good luck!
your catalina does not do 5/6 in 8/9.
The original Lady K theme song was a great touch!
Yeah, proper Hendrix vibes
Almost at 100k! I've been watching your videos for almost a year and a half now, I cant wait to see you reach this milestone!
You and me both!
You did it! The counter above says 100K! Congrats! Love the channel. As a novice sailor, this is the most informative sailing channel there is.
Awesome! Thank you!
You nailed it. Just subscribed. Rented the new Bene 34.1 for Almalfi Coast sail, wife & I loved downwind & cruising comfort. However, thankfully, she pounded upwind, saving me upgrade $$$$, keeping our old Cal 33. Appreciate your honesty.
really good to see you doing as well as you are. you deserve it Tim.
Thank you so much 😀
We like what we see, the way you are giving it to us, do not change anything at all! Congrats for the growth!
Thanks for watching!
Me, and I belive most of us follow you here at Lady K and Practical Sailor because of the info you post, and your charisma.
Thaks a lot for all your hard work.👏👏👏
Wow, thank you!
Your work deserves every bit of 100k and more. It's always quality work. You're one of the best on UA-cam. Big thanks, man!
Appreciate that
@orrinkahm I agree 100%, this is the best/most informative sailing channel. And Tim doesn’t waste our time with bikini nonsense. (If that’s what one wants, there are plenty of other sites filling that void.)
This is exactly why we love our 1988 Swan 59.
swan, one of the most beautiful boats.
@@georgeburns7251yes
Congrats on 100k! You deserve it. And I appreciate you!
I appreciate that!
I can’t wait to see you get a play button! Let’s GO!🤙
Congrats on 100k. Speaks to the information and how it is delivered that you have reached this milestone.
Thank you very much!
Thank you for all the amazing content! Please keep it coming! You sir have in fact helped go sailing!
Thanks for watching!
Congratulations brother 👏🏼🙂 Looks like you made it to 100K subscribers by my screen 😲 As an aspiring sailor with the dream for the last 8 years, as a Canadian 🇨🇦, and as a student and world citizen, I salute you and want to thank you for saving so much money, time, and the oh so many lives with your knowledge. Time to redeem that play button for all your hardwork!! ✌🏼💜🙏🏼
Thank you so much!
Yes, well done. Missing Annapolis this year 😂 Hope to be aboard my boat (Tartan 37) next year in the harbor & working/volunteering next. From Ashtabula, OH on Lake Erie, we appreciate you & your knowledge. Be well, hope the weather is lovely!
One additional note on a wide transom is wave slap which can be very loud while trying to sleep.
I've got a UFO 34, she's old and cramped but if it can survive the 1998 Sydney to Hobart AND the 1979 Fastnet, i couldn't care less, its nice knowing she will carry me through the heavy weather each and every time.
Early congrats on the 100k mark. Well deserved and you are one of my main sailing channels I watch. You do an amazing job and we thank you.
Thank you very much!
Short, concise and informative, great vid.
Thanks for watching!
My wife circumnavigated the southern ocean ona Wylie 39’ performance cruiser in 8 months and it wasn’t what most people think is a blue water boat. Spade rudder, fin keel tall rig etc. But, she and her partner knew wtf they were doing and things went reasonably well.
Congratulations for your 100K !!!!!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with all of us. Best wishes from Canary Islands 👍
Thanks! 😃
My Beneteau Cycladed 43 slammed upwind. I beat the crap out of it doing the thorny path from Bahamas to Grenada. The floor grid came loose as well.
You have helped me believe in my forgotten dreams of sailing across the oceans, besides you are a cool guy, congrats on your first 100K
Thanks for watching!
Congratulations on nearly reaching 100k subscribers you will get there very soon. You put out some great content. Love your videos.
Thanks so much!
Queen comes to mind....Flat bottom boats make the v-berth crew go ouch!
Really really do not like the direction boats are going.
Congrats! Sooo close to 100k!
Thanks!
Congrats Tim
Appreciate your contributions
Thank you kindly
Congratulations on 100k !!! 🎉
Thank you so much 😀
Glad to see you made it to 100k..... 500k next!
I'm only just getting into this whole sailing thing and your videos are some of the best.
I always learn a lot of interesting stuff. Keep up the awesome work mate.
Thanks for watching!
🎵🎶Flat bottom boats they make the sailing world go’round🎶🎵
lol ♪ Fat bottom girls make the world go around ♪ good one Mark ~
I agree, this summer I was on V-shaped Beneteau 38.1. It was nice on a flat sea but when swell picked up, it wasn't comfortable at all to sail upwind. Such a difference to Bavaria 46, which was behaving much better in rough seas.
YOU DID IT! CONGRATULATIONS!!
Thank you!
Congrats Tim and Emma!
Congratulations Tim, 100k is a testament to a great channel. Thanks for your relatable and interesting content. Time to crack a tinnie 🍻
Many thanks!
Because you’re a legend Tim. If I could I would subscription 200 times.
Congratulations on 100k subscribers! Keep up the great work!
Thank you very much!
Jeanneau Sunrise 34... An excellent compromise and probably the last decent boat model built by Jeanneau before they started making charter boats... just lift the floor boards and you'll see... and it also has a half skeg.
Yes my old S&S IW31 was true blood but as liveaboard comfort, there is no comparison and this really makes a difference.
Congratulations for the first 100K subscribers!
Your perspective and knowledge keeps me watching. Congrats on getting some of the clout you deserve!
I appreciate that!
Congrats on the 100 K!
Thanks, I didn’t know that twin rudders had problems at slow speeds, but I’m sure makes sense.
Also, I’m in the Pacific Northwest and there’s a lot of wood in the water. I think twin rudders would be much more at risk of damage. If the rudder is behind the key, it should be bit protected. Any comments or numbers on that?
Thank you Tim :) Short and great video!
Congratulations Tim!
Thank you so much!
Unprotected rudders , very bad. Saildrives very bad . Boats should have balanced ends . Blue water , not.
So agree, sailing over 50 years. Boats are being designed to be dock queens
My friend's late father's Farr 52 lays at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean due to the unprotected spade rudder striking what they believed to be either a sun fish or a whale.
My friend was onboard, at the time. It sank quickly. Fortunately, this happened during daylight hours and in lightish conditions during a Sydney to Hobart race, some years ago.
A competitor answered their mayday call and the crew almost literally stepped up onto the life raft on one side and up onto the safety of the rescue vessel on the other. There were no injuries. I recall the skipper being interviewed on TV following the loss of the Yacht (Georgia), and I remember my mate's recollection of the event.
It has never left my mind just how lucky they were, that day, and how in only slightly different circumstances a tragedy would have been just as likely outcome.
@@georgeburns7251which is what 95% do
Wrong! These boats are amazing party pads at anchor in the Pacific Northwest! Take that, Bayliners! Plus, we don’t look like the Space Shuttle!! Ok, we are sailing barges…..
I can't complain about more interior space and better balance.
I agree with the points you make, though I think we need to be honest and clear about the market research that the volume manufacturers put into the design of these boats. They are very well packaged for their intended purpose. They are second/weekend homes, ideal for entertaining and sun lounging in the med. Typically they will be used at weekends and for a month in the summer - just walk through a typical marina on a windy Wednesday morning and see how many are out there! The charter/flotilla customers will love the space and multiple large cabins and heads. They will give a good turn of speed for primarily day sailing between marinas and sheltered anchorages. They will happily cope with a longer two or three day crossing and occasional overnight passage in good (summer) weather. Yes, they will slam in a blow or rough seas, but these boats won’t be out then and if they get caught out, the double figure cruising speed under engine means it will be a quick dart into shelter.
Unreliable bow thrusters? Tired fittings and interiors? Very possibly, but those issues are either under warranty or will become an increasing problem for the second/third owner. Long after the new boat purchaser has moved on to the updated model.
The volume manufacturers know their customers needs and the price point they want to pay for the features.
Now, if you were looking for a live aboard boat to circle the world in comfort and safety in any weather you would not be in this market segment. Yes, I know people do and good luck and love to them! There are manufacturers out there who will very happily meet your needs of those who want a boat with long legs and they charge corresponding price tags. We can’t complain that an average midrange family car does not have the features, refinements, and practicality of a high spec fully kitted out off roader. Why would we think we could with boats.
100K, CONGRATS!
Thank you so much 😀
Very nice video, thanks for sharing thoughts on this! And a HUGE CONGRATULATIONS on the well-deserved 100k subscribers!!!
Thanks so much!
Congrats on the 100 k. Keep it coming
That’s the plan! 😎
Good looking build.Good luck in your journey...❤
Thank you, IMHO wide rear ends do not only slam into waves up- wind, they also suck down-wind, if the swell is slightly offset from the course. The stern slides down the wave, the boat yaws heavily and make steering very difficult,. You need to change course or rig a preventer in order to avoid accidental gybes.
Good to see you doing well, Timster! Congrats on reaching 100K. I recently found your content and catch vids as time allows. Still sailing Free Ride on the hard since the acquisition- maybe splashing her in the spring after I finish up the last items on the refurb. Life got in the way in the interim... good thing plastic lasts.
Anyhow, keep up with the good content!
Cheers! Matt
Awesome! Thank you!
Great Job Tim!
I'm wanting to learn to sail, and find your info very helpful
Thanks for watching!
Grats in advace on 100k! Been with ya since 20k you deserve it!
Thank you so much!😊
Good idea to shop new boats to see what we'll be buying in 10-20 years! I do that with used boats. I'm waiting for some sugar scoops to get old enough to be affordable.
Great to hear the old theme song again. Congrats in advance to 100k!
Twin rudders can come in very handy - especially when sailing across the ocean. Every year a few yachts are abandoned at sea because they lose a rudder and cannot be steered - this is especially so when the yacht has only a spade rudder with no protective skeg. Expensive! Without the long keel of traditional designs they are too skittish to keep on course by balancing the sails. Having two rudders reduces the chance that steering will be lost.
That said - for ocean sailing a traditional deep V keel which provides sea-kindliness and protects the rudder (a full keel or keel hung rudder) is ideal for comfort and safety.
Excellent commentary regarding the design of these big dinghies, however.
I’ve seen a few of these double rudder boats struggling in harbours quite a few times. I prefer double helms controlling one runner…. Hope you reach the 100k real soon… I’ll make sure to share your channel anytime I can.
Thanks again for explaining this ‘problem’ so well. And thus justifying my choice of a Catalina 400 over the new Beneteau 41. I like the best of both worlds solution that the Catalina offers to allow sailing on all points of sail. Still curious though about the blue water capabilities of the Catalina 400, if properly fitted out. Which my new ‘old’ boat is.
Congrats, looks like you hit the 100K mark. Been spreading the news on your super helpful site and advice. Got a question. If you purchase a vessel in Canadian waters and Canadian owned are you subject to VAT. With the exchange rate (US)as it currently is this makes some sense. Paying VAT would of course change the scenario. I think it is 2% or something like that? Keep up the great work!
Congrats on 100k!! Man, you're awesome! No need for half naked ladies on this channel, just real content ❤❤
Thanks for watching!
Congratulations on 100K!
Thank you so much 😀
Cheers to 100k Cap’n Tim! And many more
Thanks so much!
@@LadyKSailing you’re knowledge isn’t falling on deaf ears my friend. Keep em coming. Fair winds Cap’n!
Twin spade rudders are great to bang into anything in the sea that your keel missed..
Congratulations 🎉. Love your content!
Thank you so much!!
I see 100,000 congratz! 🤝🎉
Congrats Tim
Thank you!
I was crew on a trip to Bermuda. Slept in the v-birth. I was literally lifted into the air and slammed down every 15 seconds. It's a tough slog through the Gulf Stream; but, I think it's worse with these wide boats.
I find it unusual to sail up wind at 40 degrees or so except when racing. I've sailed offshore and never noticed the slamming of the bow being excessive. There are lots of factors that effect this like rig weight aloft, weight in bow, etc. Most boats like this have a U shaped bottom Infront of the keel. It only flattens out behind the keel.
Congratulations with the 100k! Now you just need to wait 2-3 month for you play button 😁
Congratulations on the play button. I only got here a year or so ago, but have enjoyed your videos immensely.
I'll be at the Annapolis boat show (my first one as I get nearer to retirement), but not until Monday, so I'll not be seeing you around. Maybe next year.
More catamarans !! My wife insists on a cat, and I'd love to learn more about them.
Almost there, my friend!
Tim, I see you’ve reached the 100k subscriber. Congratulations. Truly well deserved. I’m hoping to reach the 1k mark…😅.
You can do it!
You give so much great info, This fat vid , I'm a power boater wanting to goto a catamaran but it is the $$$, But the fat sailing is very attractive as we just like the space
As a cruiser. 1. I do not like sail drives. A cost cutting solution that you pay for in the long run. And 2. Those twin rudders sticking out there are just screaming. Foul me! Break me!
Congrats on 100K! UA-cam says you have 100K as I'm posting this. I'm holding them to it. 🙂 That boat looks like a floating Winnebago. Herreshoff called them "Skimming Dishes". 🙂 Thanks for the video!
These flat big rear boats are aimed at the rental market IMO so they are big spaces on the water. I prefer my 36 foot single rudder sailboat any day of the week, and don’t get me started on the light wood ikea interiors compared to older darker mahogany wood boats. My boat is solid, not creaky when walking inside like some of the modern boats.
SO glad you are close to, no! Looks like you made 100K!! You’re the most knowledgeable person about sailing on the Interwebs. Bravo!!
Thanks so much!
took my first and new to me old boat out a couple weeks ago single handed for 3 days and nights cruising a local lake... no real issues... my outboard could use a tune
Congratulations in advance!!! Nearly there 🎉
So close!
Another VERY BIG compromis is stability on water undersail. A rounder shap might ne slower but much more stable and confortable.
You just don't know how to sail it to weather if you're having these problems. These boats aren't meant to be healed over, they are meant to be sailed to flat. Loosen that main sheet or if the wind is blowing and you need a flat sail move the traveler.
Destroyer plumb bows have been used a lot because they limit pitching. They don't increase it. Less pounding, not more. This is because they don't increase forward buoyance as much. Read the Fastnet Race report on this.
They use twin rudders for going upwind, not downwind. The reason for that is when the rudder is normal to the surface the lift vector from it is greater with less drag. The angle the rudder sticks out at is the angle the boat is designed to go to weather at. And the keel is
And the form stability is far greater. Which makes them easier to sail flat.
Thanks you’re advised help us to buy our sailboat.
Congratulations for your good work
100k 👌
Thanks! 😃
I played with my channel and stuck young Natasha on the bow in a bikini. Four times as may hits as the others in the series, and 45 more subscribers. Go with what works! All kidding aside, those fat bottom sterns also (generally) fail to point as high when going to windward. They can't (or the owners won't) heel the boat over to point and, from what I've seen in the Pacific Northwest, most owners cover the cockpit with canvas, load up the side decks with paddle boards or kayaks, carry the dinghy on the foredeck, and never go sailing (unless, of course, the wind is perfect and in the right direction). Basically, an efficient power boat hull with a mast. The owners and crew don't know what they are missing! Certainly not "sailing".
Got to love "Fat bottom girls and boats" lol
Thanks!
Tim, "...and if all you're plan to do is sailing down wind or on a reach..." Good points, you make (who am I, Yoda?) but if one IS planning a long cruise, crossing oceans and doing the vast majority down wind or on a beam, that type of design will be fantastic. TBS, I do like the Catalinas, And congratulations on hitting 100 K!
Ok , moving slowly forward with twin rudders into a marina berth can be challenging, reversing in , no problems.
Bow thrusters are just as reliable as anchor winches .
Most cruising is planned as Downwind ...!
Cruisers spend 90+% at anchor or stationary , so getting to anchor or port in possibly half the time makes sense plus the safety of being exposed to the weather at sea is reduced .
Looking at 99.9k right now, by next week you'll easily be at 100k. Hope this comment helps the analytics. Congratulations on 100k 😉
Thank you!
@@LadyKSailing 5 hrs later and I'm seeing 100k...you did it!
It's been our pleasure Tim..Yep, the twin rudder & reliance on bow thrusters bothers me as ex RAN. This seems to oppose the last PS video. Cheers from inland Canberra.⚓
Op naar de 100K!
I saw the couple Dan and Kika from Sailing Uma sail the Salona 46I a boat built in Croatia. It had the wide stern and two propellers. That boat handled very well in port. But it too had that 90 degree bow. It seems to me if future boats returned to something closer to a 45 degree bow, it would be much better.
The French boats often have trickle down design cues from the Vendee Globe boats. They scream downwind but not so much fun upwind. I'm sure you'll pass that 100k crest soon!
That seems completely nuts. None of us will be doing the Vendè Globe and if we were, we wouldn't be doing it in a Beneteau.
Congratulations!
Thank you!
I had to subscribe because this was great
I miss her intros! Not going to make it down on Friday, but I'll be wandering about on pyscho Saturday. My wish list boat is sitting on jack stands somewhere on the Chesapeake, I don't have the money for one of these fancy new boats - not even sure I make enough to TOUR them LOL!
grats on 100
Hi
I like your comments
I am presently in block island sailing to Martha’s Vineyard on my 40.1
One comment i can say with the new boats you don’t care as much. On currents
I sail at 9 nots so loosing 2 nots does not effect my d’édition to sail somewhere
And yea i would not buy this boat without a bow thruster
On motor i go 7.6 so i prefer the new hulls
You made it!
Congrats - on the !00K subs, I'll be a Patron soon, and get my three-year boating plan for retirement.
Thank you!
I used to think the same as you till I started ocean racing on light flat hulls. To my surprise they slammed almost nothing even in confused seas and the bow threw off much less spray than V bows. I found these wide lighweight crafts much more comfortable than 70's style hulls. Don't forget the long overhangs on the old boats creating a terrible pitching motion and excessive roll and pitch due to narrow hulls and heavy masts. Finally in terms of safety, modern fast boats go upwind up to 50% faster and downwind up to 100% faster getting you to port earlier. They zig-zagg less too because their double rudders work like a surfboard's keels or the feathers of an arrow. They all have deep bulbed keels to turn you over in seconds. What you are comparing are top heavy, modern cruisers with flat bottoms pretending to sail well but focusing mainly on interior space but are an abomination out in the water. The best sailboats are light, fast and carry only the essential loads. Try cruising on one and you'll have a blast.
The upwind performance you can manage by increasing the heeling, but on anchorage the get realy bad!
More swajen and the flat body makes it even more bumpy.
So a lot more Stress on boat, anchor and guest