Evolution of the Sturmgewehr: MP43/1, MP43, MP44, and StG44
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2017
- Today we are going to look at the evolution of the Sturmgewehr - from the MP43/I and MP43 to the MP44 and StG44, what actually changed and why?
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Aren't they just plain beautiful.
LeDibeau yes I agree with you
Yes, yes they are. Absolutely wonderful
Yes my friend, a true testament to pre cold war german small arms engineering
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. End of the day they were designed to kill Humans who wanted to end Nazism. I'd not call that beautiful.... Impressive sure. But not beautiful
They look kinda steam punkish
If that makes sense
I knew i wasn’t being stupid when I told my friends that the MP44 and StG44 were the same thing.
You’re both right, but you’re both wrong.
One of those rare cases lol
Well yes, but actually kinda no
Ja und nein
ayo yev voch
@@John.T. 9
Fun fact, in Empire Strikes Back the rebel rifle (A295) is basically an STG 44 with the stock replaced and the magazine removed. The rifles from the Return of the Jedi and Rogue One however, A280 and A-300 respectively, are based on the M16/AR-15. Plenty of blasters seem to have been converted from WW2 weapons such as the C96 Mauser, the Sterling MG, various machine guns etc.
Princess Leah's was a slightly modified Ruger Mk. III or Mk. IV target pistol.
Fun Fact: When Gareth Edwards was picking out weapon designs for Rogue One he the weapon idea for the storm troopers was too "WW2 looking" that was when they told Gareth it was a weapon that storm troopers carried in the first movie. Just goes to show how much of Star Wars is based on WW2
@@paulreg3122 Hmm, based on is strong. Star Wars is based on a few things conceptually, the grand space operas that Lucas would watch as a kid, westerns and Kurosawa. A New Hope is a pretty direct ripoff of Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress, the serfs/slaves are turned into droids, the princess is a princess, the general becomes Kenobi, and Kenobi was meant to be played by the same actor, Toshiro Mifune. Kenobi is also a pretty Japanese sounding name (Ken means sword btw, The Hidden Fortress is a Jidai Geki btw, a period or samurai film. Jedi). The duel with Vader is in it, the grand, all powerful enemy and the quest to travel around and do stuff before the climax. Saying the Empire is a ripoff of the Nazis is a stretch when he literally stole them off of the warlord of a Japanese movie that he stoles scenes, dialogue, characters and intended to steal actors from. But the people who did the props and set work, they seem to have gone off of WW2 stuff, specifically a lot of the guns are WW2 guns with stuff on them, which Ian has pointed out (Bergman is in The Mandalorian even). To be fair, that was really common when they were made, lot's of special effect guys had careers based around making people look like they were WW2 soldiers and getting tanks to look like WW2 tanks. Ian has spent a lot of time at a prop department in Toronto that is full of guns to arm actors in WW2 movies, now those are all big affairs, in the '60s and '70s the biggest movie trends were WW2 or (spaghetti) westerns. Lucas did not spend a lot of time on backstory, there are constant rumours comparing him to Tolkien who wrote a tedious amount of backstory and created actual languages. Lucas didn't even name the alien species, a roleplaying game company (West End Games) did years later in a "Monster Manual". Love Star Wars, but Lucas is a lazy shit and didn't put enough work in to draw an intentional allegory between Star Wars and WW2, what is there is coincidence caused by logistics. Easier to use a Sterling to make an E-11 than to make something from scratch, Star Wars was originally a pretty cheap affair, the originally planned sequel was really low budget and cut all the expensive stuff (the space stuff) out. That it was a massive success was a surprise to everyone.
If you look at the sights on the guns of Leias' crew you will see that they are using single-point red dot sights
@@seniorsurvivor7381 I think it was a Vostok/Margolin target pistol?
My grandfather shipped a bunch of stuff home from Europe...including a pair of stg44’s. Scoped K98, PO8, a bunch of Lugers, etc.. He said the one he REALLY wanted to bring back but got busted breaking it down to ship was a FG42...
I’d gladly swap all this stuff back to have my Grandpa back.
Your grandpa was a absolute king trying to smuggle back a fg42.
I understand. God rest his soul
based last name.
A family member owned one (FallSchirmJaegerGewehr Mk. 1) in the early 80s...he said he traded a 1/4 pound of AAA+ 'Biker Crank' (about $4000 at current values) for it...
Now mother fucker ain't no *stupidest" he's very intelligent and can figure mechanical things out very easily..... He never was able to get it to run full auto but it's because you had no idea it has split bolt system that runs open bolt wide open and closed for semi.... It got traded for a model b Uzi with a slotted bolt and a mini-14 and some cash in 1987..... I keep in mind this is all anecdotal b******* that I can talk it from my imagination which is fueled in LSD and methamphetamine ramblings this event didn't actually happen... Any resemblance to anybody past present or future is purely coincidental
RIP
The extra cut in the bolt carrier (19:11) is made to prevent gun to be jammed. This jam is caused by an accumulation of the clearcoat (from the steel cartridge) under the extractor.
"The bureaucracy got bored." Sounds legit. 😃
3 7 yes you are right
*Very* German!
Sounds, but there was much obfuscation to keep it from Hitler.
Possibility 1) he got wind of the MP43 and ordered production to stop - so presto, MP44.
Or they had to justify continuing "field trials", so new model - new trial series.
"Sturmgewehr" (storm rifle) was Hitler's "Wunderwaffe" name when he approved its adoption. MKb was the accurate technical designation: full auto, intermediate cartridge.
@@Hopeofmen thats wrong
If bureaucrats have gotten bored you know there is serious trouble afoot. Far more likely pressure from someone with a powerful voice but not much respect for the our filing clerks. Change is scary, properly arranged filing is a small step towards utopia.
"Were losing the war and we're badly lacking in logistics? ADD ANOTHER CALIBER TO THE SUPPLY CHAIN!"
-German High Command
"I know nothing about history so I get all my knowledge from watching 'Enemy at the Gates'.
-Panzerkampfwagen VI ausf. E
Only that the "peasants" in Stalingrad, were the most experienced and better equipped solders from all the world war 2, as the life expectancy for a conscript was only few days at the best! And yes poorly armed......so much that the German preferred to capture Soviet PPSH-41,s, SVT-40 and other guns and ditch the long and 5 round rifles, as entire Soviet squads were armed and trained for the street fight and the most realistic fighting conditions of the world war 2!
Comrade Geany You are overdoing it. Whats shown in Enemy at the Gates was clearly not true but its not like Soviets were the best army ever.
Hi Panzerkampfwagen vI ausf. E
I think you've got the wrong idea of what actually happened at the battle of Stalingrad.
The short version is that the Russians fed in just enough men to keep the Germans bogged down in the city and concentrated their forces on the flanks.
Then the Russians launched an offensive which annihilated the Romanian 4th army guarding the German flanks and trapped the entire German 6th army in the ruins of the city that they had been trying and failing to take from "poorly armed peasant conscripts"
The 6th Army then spent their days freezing and starving to death before 91,000 survivors eventually surrendered.
Not the Entire Soviet Red Army of course! But the Soviet Solder of Stalingrad, was the best equipped Solder from all the world war 2, even compare to those in the battle of Berlin, as even they were also the ones in the battle of Berlin! But not equipped as Before!
To make every thing clear, to get troops into the City, the Red Army needed to Cross the wide Volga River, and this was not a easy task, as the German fire and Bombers, among constant shelling, made it nearly impossible! So the troops which could manage to get into the City! Needed to be Armed with the best weapons! Needed the best gear and uniforms! And the most of experience! As i said in my previous Comment ,the life expectancy was only few days at the best for a normal solder! It was in this battle that the tactic of equipping entire squads with Sub Machine guns! Among sharpening trench tools! And light Machine guns, was to be first ever implemented! The Street fighting gear as the Americans called! And the Gangster fight as the Germans named it! The Soviet high command was very realistic at that time! And this we can see in those tactics! Which made the Solder in Stalingrad the best in the entire war!
This dosent only come from me , but from my grand grand father, which participated in this battle, from the enemy Side of the Soviets! And even he said, that the courage, experience and weapons that the Red Army had then, saved their efforts! And trough them could manage to resist such a long period of time!
It baffles me how there could be so much development, logistics and production of innumerable kinds of weapons and supplies during such a short time.
AND still lose the war. that's just impressive.
@@aliabdallah102 part of why they lost the war was wasted logistics and even some sabotage. Hitler wasted alot of resources on some stupid shit.
Like the giant rail road mounted cannons.
@@bmxriderforlife1234 your not wrong. But remember that Hitler WANTED the competing companies/bureaucracy/party sects. It was fundamental to maintaining his power (and generally is for dictators).
It wasn't an accident that they had half a dozen intelligence services that were all loyal to different people and who didn't work together.
Same was true for weapon development.
As for the Gustav guns. You have to consider them from the point of view of Hitler the political animal. They existed for much the same reason as the v1/v2. The propaganda value of having them was more important than any effect they had on the course of any battles.
Both are great examples of why the Nazi system was ultimately its own worse enemy. In a liberal democracy and capitalist economy, such waste was culled through a Darwinian process. The weak would perish. Where as Hitler wanted lots of weak people and groups who couldn't challenge him. Worked great in the Weimar Republic to help him win power. Didn't help when he tried to play general.
@@AdamMGTF Hitler didn't want any of that, those are always just assumptions made by documentaries on his character. Dysgenic power hungry rats like Himmler were always trying to gain more and more influence while Hitler was always reported to ignore and look past most of these rats, he wasn't focused on any if it.
@@bmxriderforlife1234 those wasted logistics and resources were at the end, almost entirely irrelevant to their defeat. No amount of resources and logistics could've saved them from the full might of the USSR's and America's forces on two fronts and even if they had held off just a bit longer, America would've nuked them. They wasted logistics and resources at a time of overconfidence, they had assumed Britain would've surrendered shortly after the fall of france and did not think America would enter the war. They also hoped japan would help out more against the soviets.
I’ve always wanted an STG 44. Amazing piece of history.
PSA announced they are building HMGs StG-44 because the former couldn’t get it built! Coming out soon!!
The naming changes reflected the doctrinal changes in the use of the rifle. At first they were intended as replacements of the MP-40, but after stellar performance on the front, they decided to go through with replacing the Kar98 as well. It's bureaucracy, but it's a significant change. We have to remember that back in the day the concept of the assault rifle wasn't as obvious as it it to us.
What? They used the name MP43 to get Hitlers approval but they intended to replace both mp40 and kar98 with one rifle.
@@yeetmyskeet6373 Yes, surely hitler had no clue what the german military was developing in terms of arms.
@@TheHahanicevideo It is totally possible that they might have covered it up. When you are running a war waging country you might not know every single thing especially when they are covering their true intentions. This is only what I've read on couple sources and knowing that Hitler's guides didn't always see eye to eye with his decisions and they knew his stubborn nature I see this as an totally possible even probable scenario.
tuomas hautakangas I agree that it's possible but this seems to be a case of people trying to paint Hitler as being against this new revolutionary concept to try and discredit him for political reasons. I find it very unlikely that they would get away with something like this.
18:06 the grip is made from Kunststoff which is the German word for plastic. But it isn't specified what kind of plastic was used (likely bakelit)
The literal translation is "artifical material" since plastics aren't a natural product
Kommt drauf an Plastik ist Kunststoff aber nicht jeder Kunststoff ist Plastik.
@@Slithermotion the youtube translation of your comment says "not all plastic is plastic" 😅
@@alexm566 Yeah because the word Kunststoff isn‘t really translatable into english.
Plastic is plastic, Kunststoff(lit. Translated into „art stuff/material“ which is just a broad term for synthetic material which includes plastic but also alot more.
Hence plastic is kunststoff but not every kunststoff is plastic.
"WE SHOULD ALL HAVE STURMGEWEHRS! YOU GET A STURMGEWEHR, YOU GET A STURMGEWEHR, EVERYBODY GETS A STURMGEWEHR!"
Something a prussian would say
CoH2 Grenadier voice line lol
Love how the Forbidden open bolt AR gets to hang with the other machine guns.
Classic defense at Nurenberg was "I was just following orders." Ironic that many were still ready to defy orders to create these.
Playing the game "guess the guns behind Ian" and I finally got one! That's the port firing weapon from earlier, second from left.
Really? That’s the one you finally picked out from behind him? What about the M60, Benet-Mercie [sic], BAR, etc.?
@@ILikeToLaughAtYou
Yeah, as someone who grew up watching Vietnam War shows & movies, the M60 was the first to catch my attention.
probably the most important,at least one of the most important firearm of the century.
awsome video and so interesting to watch.
December 16th 2017 Ian, compliments from a South America Armament Systems Engineer, specialized at Cetme-Spain with Professors Ludwig Vorgrimler and Dr. Günther Vöss, the famous Luftwaffe Ballistician who developed the 4.6x36mm "Loffelspitz" cartridge for Dipl. Ing. Vormgrimler CETME version reduced caliber version of his StG-45/M. Your historical and technical explanation of the MP-43-1, MP-43, MP-44 is excellent as you include detailed explanations of normally unnoticed German WW-II razor sharp design and armament engineering and production methods, which till today lead the eastern or western world StGs, or appropriately called MKb (Machine Carbines) due to their shorter Carbine length cartridges 7.92x33mm, developed from the famous Mauser 7.92x57mm longer Rifle lenght cartridges..
Best regards and Merry Christmass, Fernán Altuve Febres.
Thanks!
Years later, I still think this (along with part one) is my favorite video done by you Ian. Phenomenally informative!
I once got to handle am MP44.
Not cycle it etc, but just handle.
Either way; it gives me Life Points that others can't claim !
I hope that Rifle still exists.
so they pulled a radar O'Riley on him by calling it a machine pistol
The story goes Hitler didn't find out about this weapon til one of his generals asked for more when Hitler asked if he needed anything.
Your videos are amazing. The detail, history and knowledge you provide makes a great viewing experience. Thank you for the awesome content and please keep posting.
A gun so good that the russians engraved its design on a recent monument to Mikhail Kalashnikov.
Whoops.
kekekekekeke
In Soviet Russia monument engraved you.
Flaming1100 ..so that is what the sickle was for ..after the hammer knocked them unconscious....
Razor1uk lol
Sandzibar Yeah your right on many gun smiths see the same as you do. They are the same but for the cal and some shap.
In Dec 03' I had two MP44s, 1 mag and 60 rds of East German ammo in Baghdad. Guns shoot great, rate of fire slower than I expected as I was used to the higher M4A1 rate.
You "had"? Very weary of this comment.
@@kevinrini3402 i imagine it found its way into a box of "car parts"
What happened to them after your tour of duty was over?
@@wyattpeterson6286 Left them there, came back 3 months later and they were gone
Interesting point, in the film "Danger close - the battle of Long Tan" one of the VC had a StG44 (or similar). It had me wondering if it was a mistake arming the extras (which would have been odd if it were anyway) but as it was the Viet Cong were supplied with some from the USSR, captured WWII stocks.
Now that's attention to detail.
For a weapon that was meant for "use now and if it breaks/wears out give them a new one", the couple of years worth of production saw impressive service for over 60 years with some not so well trained militias.
I often think of this when you hear of things like Vickers guns being used in Afghanistan. Over a hundred year old design.
I suppose it comes down to the fact that these things were designed to kill other humans and if they still do that then they are useful.
Sure we have better guns now. But your just as dead if your hit in the head by a 100 year old machine gun as you are by a day old one!
It's what often makes me wonder why on earth modern army's have to use the latest and greatest in wars like Afghanistan 10 years ago. I mean drop bombs from a b29 on the Taliban and they are just as dead as dropping bombs from a b2 🤣
It could also have been obtained off the French, who acquired many German weapons during & after the war, which then could have been taken to Vietnam.
@@AdamMGTF Vickers & Maxims are also being used in Ukraine, along with Mosins & others. The Russians stockpiled huge amounts of weapons & ammunition throughout its empire, which included Ukraine until 1991.
Nothing short of amazing, how this came out of nowhere in such a short time working perfectly out of the box.
loving the STG videos keep up the good work Ian!
I love that "evolution of" videos :) Hope you do more of them.
ya know Ian I have to thank you for the teaching me so much about these beautiful technical Marvels I have always had a peculiar facinating with fire arms particularly older ones such as these that are actually still very re all relevant to the arms produced today .thank you so much forgoten weapons is awesome thank you!
Excellent presentation. Curious about parts interchangeability.... Would love to see more videos that include take down and video of individual parts.
For this being confused for the father of the AK, it sure looks a lot like a G3
G3 is direct descendant.
@@XtreeM_FaiL ya l noticed lol
It isn’t confused as the father of the AK. It is the father of the AK. If not for this weapon, Kalashnikov wouldn’t have gotten his inspiration for the AK. Even though he didn’t directly base his design on it.
@@zeck8541 You are delusional.
@@zeck8541 Educate yourself about the proper history.
Ian, enjoy watching your productions. Every once in a while I know more than you. In this case the MP43/1 has one more MKb 42 part, the firing pin. The MP43/1 has a firing pin with four ridges while the rest of the types have firing pins with three ridges. The one you showed was 2447c. I have one produced over 2,000 earlier.
Thankyou Gun Jesus for providing us with this juicy content
Its called "Kunststoff" in german which is Plastic.
Literally "artificial fabric" aka plastic.
n0la look gön jk I vooböyıtt u on tomboy hook I I kokk
Yeah "artificial material" would be a better literal translation. Us Germans with our compound words.
They are useful - and short! Better than having to write: Künstlicher Stoff every god damn time :D
The grips were actually made from a Bakelite (we have pretty good sources on them being produced by Bakelite GmbH), which is technically not a polymere and thus not a "Kunststoff". Production did vary between actual Bakelite and an epoxy resin sold under the same name, which is how the word "Kunststoff" entered the production documents...
Excellent video, Ian! Keep up the good work! Regards from Siberia!
Ian its five in the morning why do you do this to me
The hell are you talking about, it's five in the afternoon :o
War Zone hes from the past and im from the future telling you that its 2am
I love these videos man, Thanks from the UK
Stoner stated on video he and Jim Sullivan first saw constant recoil (he called it that run out thing) in the MP-44..
“...could’ve been done years ealier...”
Hooray for hindsight! 😁
Ian wouldnt be able to get a Idea like that. Afterwards you are always smarter
*looks around*
Seriously no one is gonna say anything about how Ian said skrrt
Bought an STG 44/22 from German Sports Guns a couple of years ago. When I take it to the range ,people are like "What is it and can I shoot it".Seriously a cool firearm. It's not a target rifle or hunting rifle, it's just fun.
Yeah, these are so cool, I had to buy two! And the value is now quite good, they have doubled in price since 2019. But don't expect the mags to be easily obtainable, I paid $80 each for two 25 rnd mags.
I have one too ,real nice. And you have to pay almost as much for a non firing diecast replica.,and this one is almost identical.
Found this really informative. It surprised me that the concept of what sorts of guns soldiers get was an open question thru WWII. I would listen to a podcast about the interaction of the arms industry and infantry doctrine.
"...a whole lot of subconstractors..." Was this part of Speer's dispersion strategy?
Another well presented and information packed video. ⭐⭐⭐
Last time I came this early we didn't have to blur swastikas in the thumb nail
doppleross agreed
Its the UA-cam algorithm its Bots that pick up the symbol.
Its bull that they have to blur it out. Its part of the worlds history. A dark part but still a part and if we suppress the past of the world because someone might say their offended we are doomed to repeat past mistakes. The Nazi's used much of the same propaganda tactics that are being used today by mainstream liberal media.
Its banned in Germany such as any other Nazi Symbol.
Denying the Holocaust and other crimes of the Regime is against law. Talking shit about the past also...
The Algorithm is especially for us German Viewers I guess 🤷♂️😅
@@jamesshiffer6265 Agree with you until you start spouting the insane bullshit about the "mainstream liberal media" and comparing it to the fascist government of Nazi Germany. What they did was accuse media that stated facts of spouting lies, exactly what Trump is doing and Fox has been doing for years. That and gaslighting people when caught definitively in their lies ("I never said that" or "That was never said on this (Fox) network", even though you can easily find videos to the contrary have been pretty common). Pretty hard to say CNN, NBC, ABC, etc. are operating in a method similar to media in fascist Germany (which would never criticize the government for one thing) without being completely absorbed by propaganda that ignores history and reality, that defends and supports ludicrous assertions and pretends everyone else is crazy for not misspelling words or whatever other crazy thing is the flavour of the week.
Question: why didn't the American military catch on to the effectiveness of the STG-44-style assault rifle, with its intermediate cartridge, higher capacity magazine, pistol grip, controllable full auto fire, etc? I mean, the M-14 had full auto, but was notoriously and completely uncontrollable. The M-14 felt more like a development of the M1 Carbine mixed with the M1 Garand than a development of the STG-44. Why did it take so long for America to develop and adopt an assault rifle comparable to the STG-44, when the Soviets did it in a few years?
Similarly, why did America go with the M60, rather than just develop a refinement of the MG-42, which they knew to be extremely effective and proven?
The US ordnance board basically had its head up its ass until the M16A1 was approved. That said, the M60 did take the best parts from the MG-42 and FG-42, and was a couple of pounds lighter than the MG-42.
Probably related to the corruption and the Military Industrial Complex having too much influence. During WW2 the commanders in Europe concluded that tank destroyers were a waste of resources and that they need more proper tanks. Yet they still got more and more tank destroyers as the politicians in charge didn't care.
The same thing happens today in that couhtry. The military has an enormous surplus and has openly stated that they don't need anymore tanks. Yet they are still built en masse. Things aren't built because they are needed but due to politicians being bribed and the arms industry employing a lot of people.
Its a mix of Army Ordinance's preference for larger, high powered cartridge and the rifle doctrine of ' long range marksman'. Otherwise we probably would have had the FAL in .280 British (7x43mm).
The M60 was the result of the Not Invented Here Syndrome.
@@Duchess_Van_Hoof Chieftains hatch has a great video on the why of the tank destroyer. And the TD was part of a doctrine.
What a great video. Suiting for such a great weapon!
I like the attachment made for it that let it shoot around corners. It wore out pretty quickly, though.
another cool video about old guns ,, Good job ian :D
Love that PIG in the Background M-60 Ian Great History Lesson Thanks The MP-44 Is one of My Favorite “Forgotten Weapons “ 😎👍🏼
1. Its the STG44. 2nd its nowhere near a "Forgotten Weapon"
Great history lesson. Thanks Ian 👍✌
I can't, but must wait for the HMG StG44 vids to come.... until then, thanks for this FW, Ian, Karl and helpers/family etc..
This aged like milk
Last time i came this early, we still had a non-aggression pact with Germany.
We still have, don't we?
*Last time I came this early,* my girlfriend got upset...
Look at those sexy bois
T H I C C
expensi boi
@Austin T. Theyre guns. Like all other guns, ships, and rockets, they're female. Look up "GFL GR G36 guten morgen"
Had a buddy years ago, he used to work with me on the PD, but lost his job over having a visiting lady in the squad at night when he should have been patrolling. At any rate, he was a very dedicated survivalist, before the survivalist culture became as common as it is today. About a year after he lost his badge, I was en-route from one department to another, all in search of a better paycheck, when I stopped to visit him. He had purchased 160 acres of land (deeded land) on the reservation, and moved a mobile home to a spot in what had been a pasture with just a trail leading to it from the highway. It was several miles out into the former pasture land, and he had gone all out with bunkers, trenches and all sorts of things. We had a cup of coffee, and he took me back to what had once been a bedroom, now serving as his arms room. The walls were lined with AR-15's, mini14's and other military grade rifles. The one that caught my eye though was an MP44. I asked about it, so he took her out of his rack, and grabbed a pack of home brewed 8MM Kurtz ammo, and we went out to the front of his house and began making cow pies fly with the old gal. Seems he had picked it up on the Reservation, it was a bring home by a member of the tribe, and had been kept by his descendants, who decided to sell her to him. I am pretty sure he never registered her as a Class III weapon, as that was not his "survivalist" way. It was fun to shoot, he had made his own ammo using a rock-chucker press and dies that were available, then fire-forming the final brass before using it. He said it took a lot of playing around to get her to fire properly, he could not find a good formula for the powder charge, so made his own using a duplex load of Bullseye then 2400 on top. It did shoot well with that ammo. Sadly all his guns and such were destroyed when the mobile home caught fire about two years late,
Nice video. Hey ian could you do a vid regarding the six versions of the m60 starting with the one behind you? Thank you
When you mentioned the MKb-42 as the predecessor and recommended the video, I promptly searched for and enjoyed the video on the MKb-42(G). I was a bit confused...until I found the video for the MKb-42(H). Your comments made sense then... :p
Nazi Germany's R&D department was badass.
No, that is exactly what the were not.!
But industri were in some ways ahead of the allies, this is an examble.
Reality Matters just take the compliment
War tends to do that on any side. Sten developed in basically no time, P-51 Mustang from idea to flight in 100 days, etc.
German uniforms were ballin too
Nazi Germany's R&D department continued R&D'ing until the Allied soldiers literally walked into their shop.
You often hear that it was Hitler pushing against the MP44/StG44, as he didn't like the concept and this rejection blocked the development of a great weapon because Hitler was in favour of the larger more powerfull cartridge. However, while this is true it's also a simplification.
There have been many concerns regarding the development of a new infantry weapon at this stage in the war. One of which was the availability of enough ammunition. It's easy to look at the weapon and come to the conclussion that one must be stupid not to recognise the potential of the concept. But there are serious logistical concerns regarding the invention and adoption of a whole new weapon system in an ongoing concflict with very limitted amount of resources. And this was something the German military, those that made decisions, had to keep in mind. Not only when it comes to the StG44 of course. But once production started to be done officialy it has been an issue trough out the war to supply the troops with the required ammunition. Because making new production lines for the weapon proved to be difficult particularly in the later stages of the war. For obvious reasons. So while Hitler and his supporters have been short sighted their concerns have not been completely unfunded.
Damn, I wish I was rich enough to buy one of these
GREAT video
@ 6:20, A 1000 rounds of Ammo per Rifle per month.
That equals ~33.3 thirty round Mags.
I find the Idea of that Soldiers were calculated to shoot basically just one Mag of Ammo per day, well,,, rather OFF !
I love this gun! !
Before 1943 Germans weren't "hugely outnumbered" by the Soviets, and even after that date "hugely" doesn't really fit. They thought they were "hugely outnumbered", because their intelligence was absolutely pitiful, and that's what they wrote in memoirs, on which most of WWII history in the West is based on.
But now we have better sources than that.
bakters u know that for dead every german soldier 3 soviets died?
In its own way incredible how little anything has changed from the open bolt weapons.
What a great episode.
Would be cool to make a comparison between a original and the upcoming reproduction. I watched all videos concerning it but I think it would be really interesting to watch
While I usually agree with your pov on most issues, I have to strongly disagree with you on hitlers assessment on the Sturmgewehr.
He did had problems with the introduction of an intermediate round way in a military campaign!
But, it was not because he couldn't see the advatages of it, more of the fact that the Wehrmacht had problems keeping up the supplies on the eastern Front as it were. Without introducing a whole new chain of infrastructure for ammunition and parts...
He did in fact approve of mass production of said firearm in 1943! It was just distributed on a smaller scale for the Waffen SS first so a Infrastructure chain could be implemented along with it.
I would classify these as quite well remembered weapons
Every time you called it the MP44, I couldnt help but be reminded of the Masterpiece Optimus Prime figure! LOL
I do love the Sturmgewehr’s, but I can’t help but drool over that Type 99 LMG over Ian’s shoulder...
I was really hoping that the last iteration was going to be one from HMG.
whats the deal with the hole in the trunnion in the top example @ 18:46? @forgottenweapons
Last time I was this early the Germans were winning the war
Last time I was this early *people were still making original comments*
Jon Evenson
The Franco-Prussian War xD
1940?
UA-cam wasn't invented in 1939-1942
Nikolos M I'm not sure if you're repeating my joke or being oblivious but after 1941 they had firmly lost the war making enemies of russia then the united states, they sealed their fate. had it only been russia maybe the us just had too much production power but russia almost lost in operation barbarosa
There was an old german WW2 project and they wanted to create a night-vision scope for the stg or mp44 the soldiers would also carry a large backpack for energy for the night vision scope, but it was well to late in the war and the project was never finished
ua-cam.com/video/UXkpFajH66A/v-deo.htmlm50s "what's the change from mp43-mp44-stg44? and the answer is literally nothing except the name." I rarely laugh while watching forgotten weapons but I found this funny.
Oh my! The prices on the these. Eye watering.
Hey man I just watched this exact video on another channel and didn't even realize it wasn't the original owner. I checked in the description and they don't give you any credit for the video they don't even link your channel or or anything it's just some half written description that isn't even finished that looks like crap. You should definitely go copyright strike these people they stole your video and didn't even give you credit. The channel was "Cullefur Dye"
Looking into their Channel theyre stealing everybody's videos and uploading it as their own so you should definitely get your video back from these people. Just figured I'd give you a heads up I did enjoy the video is very informational and very interesting thank you
What infantry division was issued the MP43 (the 6000+ you mentioned) in late 1943? I heard it was a regular Heer foot division but I can't remember which one.
5:26 guess in 43 they already had realized that they are trapped with this lunatic who despite being only a private thought of himself to be the greatest and most clever general of all time
Is that a bullet hole on the bottom of the MP 44 receiver, right in front of the magazine well?
What amazes me is how this entire period in history was fought with pen & paper.
Well, Hill & Mac Gunworks couldn’t bring the StG-44 to market and they ended up partnering with Palmetto State Armory and their replica is coming this year! Definitely getting one!
I love you guys!!! IT is so intrestig about this Guns!!!!
Hi! I really like your videos, could you make a video on the gyazev and shipunov machine guns? these are actually russian machine cannons, but differently from the dillon gatling and the vulcan minigun, they dont have an external energy source to keep the mechanism going, it is completely gas operated but also uses the force of the recoil, not only to eject and extract the case, but also to feed new rounds in, makig the rate if fire ecually fast to the dillon gatling gun, and even faster, some are gatling guns wic are gass operated wich so that the rotatio of the barrel cluster is caused by tapped of gas that makes the cluster spin very rapidly. It would e really cool uf you could find some of these guns cause they are not very well known in the usa
Ian, how true is it that to "decommission" German firearms after the war, many units simply had the front sight hood removed? I think I saw that in some sales pitch for some k98s and it got me wondering about that particular gun missing its sight hood.
I enjoy your channel Ian! Keep making outstanding, interesting content man! Gun Jesus 4 life
In a mid 70s Easy Rider magazine did a gun review on the STG 44. Only they called it a Kurtz Karbine!
What's the weapon in the background, 4th from the left?
Wel made, wel researched and interesting video's!
oh mein gott ich mach sowas sonst nicht aber dein text ist ja toooooootal falschgeschrieben was ist denn los mit dir?
Well made, well researched and interesting videos!
klingt immernoch wie kinder english aber wollte deinen text beibehalten.... schreibs wenigstens richtig
This is the most good looking weapon ever. It literally looks what it was made to do.
I have an IMA MP-44 "dummy" ,which is original parts on a solid aluminum receiver.I forget if it has the stepped barrel but it has the earlier wide butt stock that was too wide to fit the standard vehicle rifle rack. I love the gun and it fits my budget.
And it has the wood grips.I need a muzzle nut ,they were reproing them but I haven't been able to find one yet.
call of duty 2 actually got one hing right-you can find StG44's, but they are really really rare and ammo gets used up in only a few minutes.
I almost Felt that the MKB-42 was a good idea for 1932... by the time work started it was to lil to late...
excellent history lesson on the development of the St-44. Ian has a great talent for stripping away bias, propaganda and explaining the rationale behind Hitlers desicion making process for the rifle.
At 4:43 Ian (unwittingly?) describes the essence of German military command philosophy since the crushing Prussian defeat at the battle of (IIRC) Jena Auerstadt, after which they ceased to insist on one man directing any mission in every detail. In summary "It is the first duty of an officer to know when to disobey an order". Deceptively simple, but it underpinned their lightning successes in the early years of WW2, and - oddly, perhaps - is echoed in the manufacturing quality philosophy espoused today by Toyota (based on the work of Wm Edwards Deming)
Interesting comment on the ammunition. Just listened to an audio book (on UA-cam) Titled "In Deadly Combat" by a German infantryman. He was, at one point, issues a MP44 (I think) and quickly found that he was unable to obtain ammunition. At the time he was in Army Group North outside of Stalingrad and then in the Courland Peninsula. He went back to a K98 or a MP40, or in some cases a Soviet sub-machinegun.
Outside of Leningrad…
@@spencergrimshaw Whoops! Yes, I meant Leningrad. Thanks for pointing that out.
8mm kurz in general would have been a game changer if it would have been widely deployed earlier in the war.
Now it's pretty outdated, but during those times it would have been dream ammo for many units.
In this sense gustloff should have been deployed 2 year earlier to really effect the trajectory of war regarding length.
Nukes would have anyways stopped hostilities within 2 months from Hiroshima, even with a dream weapon for the time.
Very interesting thanks.
Ian are all the STG44's stamped with the STG44 designation built during the war built with mismatching parts? Does the StG44 in the video have a bolt carrier from an MKb42(H)? Did some of the other MP43/1, MP43, MP44, and/or StG44 guns that were manufactured during the war get a bolt carrier from other MKb42(H) guns assembled into the gun when they were manufactured?
So are there more stamped parts on an STG-44 than milled parts or could they not get away with still having to use a lot of milled parts?