Already working on yet another video on this topic! Though, I'm going to give it a bit more time before covering this again. So, if you have any subjects or questions you'd like me to tackle in that video, you've still got time! Leave a comment and I'll do my best to answer it in the next video!
@maxmatthews3443 it changed in the Sonic Superstars Twitter Takeover, and they don't explain how it specifically the wind bending works. I like to think it's the same way Tikal used the master emerald to lift Angle Island.
There’s actually no positive or negative chaos energy, that was just a mistranslation in the English script for Adventure. It’s not the energy that’s positive or negative, it’s the user’s will and emotion that uses the energy for positive or negative things. The likely requirements for Super forms are some physical prowess (and maybe exposure/experience with the emeralds) but most of all an exceedingly strong enough will and emotion. The Emeralds’ chant is “The servers are the seven chaos. Chaos is power. POWER IS ENRICHED BY THE HEART”, and are stated to grant “wishes” and “miracles.” It’s shown multiple times that they work off emotions: reviving and boosting the vegetation at the end of Sonic 1 from the will of Sonic and the animals; Sonic and the others’ positive emotions and will recharged the emeralds in Adventure; Elise and the others will and emotions brought Sonic back from the dead in 06; in a Sonic Channel cover story a bridge was collapsing and while Silver held it up Sonic looked for the fallen pieces including a keystone, when he had difficulty finding the keystone he saw a shine of a Chaos Emerald and the keystone happened to have fell right beside the emerald; etc. The reason Sonic, Shadow and Silver can go super is because not only do they have great physical capabilities, but most of all they have strong confidence and wills extremely set on saving the world. Trip likely went Super because she was so annoyed with Fang and Eggman mistreating her, her home, and the animals; so her large will set on protecting her island and its animals let her go Super. It would also explain why she didn’t go super in the final battle, because while she had the emotions and will to beat Fang in that moment, she may not have enough for that final giant battle. Perfect Chaos was built on sort of opposite emotions. Chaos was full of rage and anger for the Knuckles clan killing the chao - which he thought all were dead - thus giving him a giant creepy form that caused massive destruction. As for Mecha and Neo, it’s possible they don’t quite have the high enough will, but them being robots is kind of a cheat since the emeralds can easily be used as batteries in technology.
Also the hyper forms and any classic Super forms other than Sonic’s, Trip’s and Mecha’s aren’t canon. Hyper is repeatedly ignored or given an excuse not to reappear, and the characters themselves never mention it. And as Ian and Superstars states, the other’s forms are just gameplay mechanics, and they distinctly say “person got Super Powers” rather than “Sonic/Trip can go Super/Dragon form.”
@@Cupcakeboi2000 No, that was just a guideline for Archie that only the male hedgehogs could go super; since Sonic, Shadow and Silver were the only male hedgehogs, and they have pre-existing super forms.
Shadow and Silver have a massive amount of energy independent of the emeralds so getting a fraction of the power would be enough for a form but for Tails it wouldn’t for knuckles that might be the case that either he’s ignorant of his own potential or he has a subconscious fear of the emerald because of Their history with his tribe
One thing that people always forget: Knuckles position as guardian of the emerald isn’t a “gift” it’s a _punishment_ His tribe tried to steal the emerald and so their punishment was to guard it so no one else could try to do it again Him being unable to go super is probably part of the punishment, the emeralds don’t let him use their power so easily
All of that is garbage knuckles has the highest affinity with master emerald and his super form is a god mode that does everything sonic can plus more as a matter of fact super tails and sonic couldn’t beat knuckles in his super form so idk what all this garbage is in this video unless he just going based off the video games
@ If people speak up enough against SEGA, then Ian Flynn might crowbar in a way to make Knuckles into a Hyper Knuckles in some future Knuckles-focused game.
@Boomblox5896 we really need super knuckles, this guy is the protector of the Master Emerald and has the closest relationship with it, and yet he doesn't have super forms? And yet Silver and Shadow have it? It's illogical (although you could argue Shadow has it because of him being the Ultimate Life Form at least)
@@shiori00 Well, if you take it from a biological perspective, people would argue it's because certain species or certain people just have better adaptation to the Emeralds' power and are able to channel its Chaos Energy more easily. Maybe the Echidnas are simply Echidnas and were just about the perfect candidates to simply GUARD it instead of ABUSE its power. Of course, maybe one day Knuckles and the Master Emerald will have to use that power for some bigger purpose, but we will see...
I kinda have a hard time believing that knuckles isn‘t in-tune with the emeralds on a level rivaling sonic, he‘s THE literal guardian of the master emerald, he even punched them out of Sonic at the start of 3 and Knuckles
Knuckles really does serve as the linchpin that makes explaining the theory, and figuring out how it'd work much more complicated. Forget the theory even- explaining the emeralds and super forms becomes more complicated when you toss him in the mix
@GerfdasGaming In the the Knuckles Tailstube Episode, Tails speculates that Knuckles may have access to a unique form through the power of the Master Emerald, he also says this in a way that makes it seem like Knuckles can't go Super or at the very least not go Super the same way sonic does.
Maybe Echidnas are more in-tune with the Master Emerald specifically, Instead of the 7 Chaos Emeralds like the Hedgehogs. There could be a form that Knuckles can tap into using the Master Emerald that the Hedgehogs can't replicate, But he just doesn't know how to.
3:39 headcanon moment, in the takeover it's a reference to concept art showing Knuckles using his dreadlocks to specifically to glide which are also kinda shown in the sprites for S3&K and gliding animation in SA1
5:23 but in the movies, the master emerald is essentially just a casing for the seven chaos emeralds. Sure it’s possible the master emerald has power of its own in the movies, after all it has to be very powerful to contain the seven emeralds, but it looks as if the master emerald is essentially just a convenient carrying case for the seven emeralds that allows you to focus their power more easily.
@MynameMostexp I wonder if merging the power of fewer emeralds makes the combined bigger emerald less stable? It would flash different colors because the energies of the individual emeralds are not being properly contained/equalized idk
I believe the thing about the chaos emeralds is that their effects are chaotic. All the inconsistencies are because they work different for different things, different people and different situations. All the myriad of ways to use them comes from pulling on one of the infinite aspects of the emeralds. The Master emerald is the one that essentially emanates an aura of controlled chaos. Order itself, if you will.
The Chaos Emeralds turn thought into power, but I think there is a requirement, intent is needed to gain the Super form. Sonic always wants to enact justice and preserve free will, and he has a mind unhindered by doubt. Shadow has a purpose for every action he takes and his motive is to fulfill Maria’s wish to preserve life and happiness. They want to take action on their own, not just “use” the Chaos Emeralds. That is probably why they can go Super so easily and retain a form. That probably also explains why Sonic becomes even faster and Shadow’s Chaos abilities become more powerful even with the inhibitor rings on.
And has no one ever thought that Tails and Knux's shields could simply be the appearance they gave to their super forms in Heroes and that's it? I mean, Super Sonic's spikes have changed quite a bit during his growth, going from being bristly spikes (classic era) to being Shadow's spikes (Adventures) to being the full SSJ with spikes pointing up after Heroes (and it wasn't just for the character growth, they redesigned the Classic Super Sonic to be more similar to the modern one) They simply decided to interpret the, brighter tone as an energy bubble for that game, after all, since Heroes we haven't seen the Modern Super Tails and Super Knuckles, let alone the Hypers and that's why they don't have a design with what the current lore is I don't understand the fact that Super Forms with a different design are exclusive to those experienced with emeralds, it does not make much sense to me, like, how Silver, a novice with emeralds and their powers, could become Super with his own design but Tails who has been using them for years and Knux who is directly their guardian could not?
Yeah ngl Knuckles really does muddy the waters. I suppose one way to look at it, would to be that the emeralds have a different effect depending on who uses them/who is exposed to them. As for the different looks, I look at it as different forms entirely hence my theory. With either enough exposure/training/knowledge of the emeralds power, every character has the potential to go super. In a way, it's also me hoping that we'll get an ACTUAL awesome looking super Tails/Knuckles in the future. They deserve more than just flashing
It is kinda sus how even since the 90s Sonic Team has refused to give any character besides Sonic a proper super form. I mean, why is it that Sonic is the only one who actually transforms when he collects all the emeralds from the other characters in Sonic The Fighters? In that game they all only get an invincibility effect, and now in Superstars they only get “Super powers” from the emeralds.
While in the Meta Era Hyper Sonic not being canon was indeed the case, with the Sonic renaissance and new lore team this has been changed back to being canon. (Chaotix has also been reinstated) The Twitter Takeovers however, have been stated by both members of the lore team like Ian and Sonic Team to not be canon and are just the voice actors having fun.
@@SuperPlushTelevision Thats not really a strong argument because the same person that shared info, Ian, also gave the reason it was cut and it had nothing to do with continuity. Ian has also said Hyper is still canon. Heck Mania has a outright reference to it in Knuckles' story mode.
Ahhh so they AREN'T canon. Do you happen to know where I could find the statement for that? I'd like to include it in a future video to correct some of the information. I've heard of them reinstating Hyper, but their reasoning of not using it again being that the Super Emeralds are in another dimension doesn't make a ton of sense 😭They truly don't make this easy
@@TheSwordsman100 Do you have a source for that? The way I heard it Ian tried to push for Hyper and it was refused without any solid reasoning given other than that Sonic Team didn't want Hyper in it.
I can understand Tails not having the ability to become fully super as he’s young and tends to be on the sidelines as support. Knuckles should definitely be able to have a true super form at least by now.
I'm pretty sure it was stated for a long while now that Hyper forms are actually canon, it's just that the Super Emeralds are in a different dimension making not possible to be used by Sonic currently.
What if Sonic specifically has an affinity for the Chaos emeralds because he is inherently chaotic? In the sense of his free spirit and not wanting to be tied down. Shadow was literally built to channel their power, so it doesn't matter so much if he isn't a chaotic personality. Silver... I really don't know him all that well to speak to that. But yeah, I do wish they'd at least given the other characters palette swaps for their super forms, if not full on altered models/sprites.
Tbh, Shadow Generations made me want Super Forms to be limited to sonic just so that the other members of the cast can get their own original transformations, like the Doom Wing was for Shadow.
I think if I could change things, everyone would be able to go Super, but Super would manifest differently for everyone. The Emeralds turn thoughts into power. If the person utilizing them is different why wouldn't the power be different?
My theory was that during the classic era, every animal could go super, depending on which lore do you believe by the time is sonic adventure comes around it was reduced to only male hedgehogs, since they are now only seven chaos emerald In addition to the master emerald as the rest have disappeared mysteriously that explains why tails and knuckles had to have a bubble shield, while sonic goes super, since they no longer could transform into those forms. Well, I prefer the dimensional split theory because it makes the lore more complete. By the way, I’m more of an American sonic fan boy
I don't know. I think that feels kind of silly. I mean why would it be that during that time period everyone could go super but not after? I also don't like the timeline split, and I'm glad it got retconned again because it just broke the continuity.
@@Zinkolo I despised how tails tube retconned The dimensional split theory out of Canaan, because there are tons of contradictions between the classic and modern games. They can’t even fit.
3:33 i heard about really simple explanation of how knuckles can glide: due to his spikes on the head being really long, they create some kind of air - dynamical thing, leting knuckles glide without any problems.
4:47 There's are inconsistencies here, Emerald Eggman is a completely different form. Moreover, Sonic, Tails and Knuckles have known about the Master Emerald's ability to create super forms ever since Mecha did it but never once thought to try it themselves. Moreover, the lore in Sonic Adventure insulates that the Master Emerald's power is merely that of controlling the chaos power of the Chaos Emeralds, meaning *_it can not create super forms through its own power but rather through the power of the chaos emeralds._*
I think in order to go Super one must have enough emotional willpower to transfer their thoughts into power. You have to actually feel something in the moment to transform. That's why Eggman can never use the Chaos Emeralds to go Super, he's emotionless and only values a never-ending hunger for conquer and world domination.
Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Blaze, and Trip have super forms that canonically matter. Their appearances actually change. Tails, Knuckles, Mighty, Ray, and Amy have super forms for the sake of gameplay balancing. Their fur just glows on and off. Are these super form variants equally powerful? There isn't an answer, not that it'd matter anyway.
I mean the first group can fly in their super form, the other group can't. I think that right there shows that Tails, Knuckles, Mighty, Ray, and Amy have a lesser version of a super form. They get the invulnerability and a speed boost but not everything else.
@@dreqdreck7531 yea the Sonic 06 moment is part of why I want a Sonic Heroes remake so we can maybe get a reworking of the final fight so Tails and Knuckles can have their proper Super forms and not the Super Shields.
Actually, Tails implies during a Tailstube (dont remember which one) that Knuckles can properly turn super. When asked about it, Knuckles straight up says that its not his place to use the ME's power for himself. Its very likely Knuckles just chooses not to turn super for his own personal reasons
Considering his races history with the gems that would be entirely understandable. He probably WOULD have some personal hangups about using them directly after learning what he did in SA1
Heroes Super Forms are because Sonic is going Super and they get the off shoot energy. Literally, Sonic isn't transferring the power in Heroes but, rather the massive amount of energy he gives off going Super just starts to surround Knuckles and Tails.
So Hyper Sonic is canon as seen in the origins cutscene the canon ending is Doomsday Zone. From what I know the Super Emeralds could only be used once and while not concrete on this last thing the is a claim out there Sonic Team as said they are in another dimension nobody can access after the events of Sonic 3 and Knuckles which is weird given the Super Emeralds are just powered up Chaos Emeralds but whatever. Regardless nobody can go hyper anymore. Tails and Knuckles super forms aren't canon even though it should be, the same extends out to the Mania characters and yes even Amy. The heroes thing is just shielding Sonic is doing like I said in the other videos. Also, many characters can go super using the emeralds as we seen in Sonic Adventure 2 and in the IDW comics, thus explaining the Sonic 06 thing. In Sonic Superstars Sonic is the only one who can go super, the others just get Super Powers. Also, the new character Trip while they technically achieve a Super Form, it's just a Dragon Form. So the Knuckles gliding thing as been stated in several descriptions and even in the design descriptions that it's his quills that let him glide, often found in older descriptions. This is why if people remember to add it in, you can see his quills spreading out to allow him to glide. The Knuckles remark given the continued decanonization of even his Super form is regarded as a if he could go Super. Knuckles can find the Master Emerald shards just by sense them at times and if I am correct mistook a Chaos Emerald for a shard(not sure about that last bit). So shouldn't he have far more connections to it than Sonic? Didn't Gerald come across the Master Emerald. While it is noteworthy Movie Eggman achieved a Super form, the emeralds do work differently between both continuities. The game ones require you to have rings just to go Super, yes that is not just a gameplay mechanic. Burning Blaze is technically a super form but to Sonic Team it doesn't count because well it's not call Super. Again there is that annoying only male hedgehogs can while ignoring important details. In the end as pointed out by many these weird restrictions is more than likely to distance themselves from DBZ.
"Tails and Knuckles super forms aren't canon even though it should be, the same extends out to the Mania characters and yes even Amy. The heroes thing is just shielding Sonic is doing like I said in the other videos." Yes and no, yes in the manner that the states have not been used story wise, no in the manner that doesn't mean in universe this wouldn't be the result. (I'll touch more on the latter down when it becomes more relevant) Kirby does something similar with it's lore using events that don't take place to explore deeper lore. "Also, the new character Trip while they technically achieve a Super Form, it's just a Dragon Form." No, its outright stated officially to be a super form. "The Knuckles remark given the continued decanonization of even his Super form is regarded as a if he could go Super." Quite the opposite, Ian's intention was to see if Knuckles could still go Super with the line, as it wasn't till Superstars that the form was treated differently and as a reference to his story which takes place after Sonic and Tails. (only Tails used to need the Master Emerald's help to qualify as Super) "Didn't Gerald come across the Master Emerald." Yes. Outright saw the shrine as well.
@@TheSwordsman100The idea of what could happen, hmmm I like where you're going with that. I recall that claim but haven't found the origin of it actually being a super form and not well just dragon form. If you can give a source for that to me that would be great!!! I am aware Knuckles story takes place after Sonic's. I am aware of the intentions but the whole Superstars thing made it moot. But.... Now that I'm thinking of it referring to Emeralds powers might not mean Super Powers Form but maybe just the special powers emeralds given on the Starfall Islands.
It seems like hedgehogs are naturally more adept at channeling the full power of the chaos emeralds, while echidnas struggle a bit, but one trait echidnas do have wich hedgehogs don't is the ability to sense the emeralds' presence
The real explanation is that Sega and Sonic Team didn't think that much about Super Forms. They just wanted to give the player a reward for collecting all emeralds, and they were fans of Dragon Ball back in the day, and when Sonic 2 released Super Saiyan Goku was 1 year old, still a fresh concept. I don't think there's an ib universe explanation. They just think Super Sonic looks cool and that's it. Other characters will not have a Super Form unless it is relevant to the plot or character progression. Trip turns into a dragon because it is character defining moment of facing her bully.
Not to be rude but this is a moot point. We're just trying to figure out how these work within the lore. Yes they probably just wanted to make it look cool but that means nothing for worldbuilding
5:18 “Whilst the movie isn’t canon” Sonic X Shadow Generations connecting the two universes with it’s new DLC: Allow me to introduce myself (Just to be clear, obviously the games and movies have different canon but Sonic X Shadow Generations shows us that it is fairly easy to travel to and from each universe with just a warp ring. Although I guess you technically aren’t in your body anymore, you would be in the body of the you in that universe)
I have to wonder if the DLC is canon... After all, it's just a ring that appears out of nowhere from some ''anomaly.'' Sonic Lost World also had DLC that connected to the Yoshi series and Zelda for example. Not only would it not be easy for the two to crossover (since it stems from some sort temporal anomaly), but I'd go as far to say that the DLC itself most likely isn't canon. I take it as a ''what-if'' that's meant to promote the movie. Now, if the DLC were integrated into the plot somehow, then I'd change my stance.
@ True it could just be DLC for fun and not meant to connect the two universes. I really hope in the future we get a more concrete answer on this because I doubt this will be the last time they do something like this.
I’m pretty sure there was a Twitter Takeover where Knuckles stated that he would never use the Chaos Emeralds powers for himself, so a super form may be possible.
5:23 but in the movie the chaos and master emeralds are fused until the master emerald breaks, separated they probably have diferent energies when fused and when separeted, as in fused they stay balanced but separeted have difrent properties
My take for the movie is that Sonic, Knuckles, and Shadow are the only 3 with actual Chaos energy, and that attunement is what grants them the control of the emeralds in Super form. Meanwhile, Eggman is just a normal human. Not only does the Chaos energy sort of corrupt him, it doesn’t seem to give him any sort of physical enhancement. At most, he was using the chaos energy to manipulate the world around him. So to me, Super forms and their control seem to be dependent on that natural attunement to the emeralds via latent Chaos Energy, which not everyone has.
I think a headcannon reason as to why only the male hedgehogs can go Super is because they intrinsically have energy-based abilities (Sonic’s speed, Shadow’s chaos powers, and Silver’s psychokinesis). Same with how Blaze can go Burning because she has fire powers. But I think there’s another reason why only they can do it. The mural on Angel Island of Super Sonic and Perfect Chaos theorizes that a hedgehog existed before Sonic who was able to go Super. Why else would there be a mural of him? After all, legends are loosely based on real events. My guess is that Sonic, Shadow, and Silver have a special connection to the emeralds given that they’re hedgehogs and why they can use their full power. I think a game focusing on this would be really cool.
Howdy there, fantastic video! I was thinking in regards to how emeralds and prolonged exposure to them may be like some form of "magical radiation." Hedgehogs may be able to access the Chaos Energy more effectively because their bodies are just able to adapt to Chaos Energy more easily than others. This would explain why in all of Gerald Robotnik's research, he would find it logical that the 'Ultimate Lifeform' capable of withstanding and harnessing the energy easily would be a hedgehog, leading to the creation of Shadow as we know him. As well, Shadow being able to learn how to use the powers from Gerald would show why he has a greater mastery over the powers than Sonic does, as he has the power to warp more effortlessly than Sonic can, as well as producing spears, time manipulation, etc. As far as Echidna go, I wonder if the radiation theory may be true, but in the opposite sense: Echidna may have a harder time tapping into the full powers of the emeralds because of their exposure to them, and their bodies may have developed a form of resistance or immunity. Knuckles, having the ability to access super forms and understanding the core tenets of the balance in power of the emeralds, isn't easily swayed or tempted by using their power, though he does have access to more unique types of 'Chaos Mastery' as he is able to sense the approximate location of emeralds, shards, and even fuse them together (i.e., reforming the Master Emerald).
I think Tails and Knuckles should get real Super Forms with real designs. They have a lot of inner strength and pure hearts. Tails couldn't do it with the regular Chaos Emeralds at first, in Sonic 2 or Sonic 3, but he was able to awaken it with the Super Emeralds and go Super regularly. Knuckles also is obviously Sonic's rival in power and potential.
Honestly i just feel like the chaos emeralds can power up anyone that is not a human but only some species change appearance because of physical predisposition
Depending on the question, TT stuff can be divided into two categories. 1) it’s the VAs having fun while staying in character, and 2) for questions that challenge the lore, the head writers probably come up with something that they give to the VAs to read.
That's what I'm thinking, like a half and half. I've seen so many comments saying that they aren't canon, but after digging I just can't find the statement
I always figured the master emerald was typically a grounding force, unable to be used by organics directly for power but can stablize and focus the chaos emeralds. The only times im aware of the master emerald itself is used as a source of power is almost exclusively by machines, mecha, metal, and eggmans eggmech. As for why not everyone gets a super form when using the emeralds, tbh i dunno, id make a case for knuckles being in the master emeralds presence so often that he naturally resists the chaos emeralds effects.
the master emerald is the source of the chaos emeralds, this has been made clear in the series, it also has a will of it's own, which it's made known to knuckles a few times over the years. it stands to reason that it may simply choose who can and when they go super or "hyper". It also could be, and this is merely my head canon, that the echidna are actually resistant to it's altering effects. That they can't use chaos power in it's natural form, hence why even when transformed, hyper knuckles can't fly. Of course, some holes get poked in this because of heroes letting him fly, but it's also clear that there's a difference between when they get it to themselves and when they're sharing it.
One of my headcanons is that the Super Forms are the 'true' state of one being, explaining the radical changes between each user. Why does Trip look like a dragon? It's her true form! Why does Gemerl look very different from Super Sonic? It's his true form!
Honestly i wish everyone had unique super forms. The whole idea of the Emeralds is they turn thoughts into power, so why would the "power" be the same for everyone?
My headcanon is always that its dependent on how chaotic an individual is. Sonic is by nature, chaotic individual. So is Shadow and Silver (Silver is chaotic because hes always interfering with time, Shadow for obvious reasons) Tails and Knuckles are both analytical and serious, respectively, not necessarily chaotic.
Although, this is my headcanon. But how would you all have liked it if lorewise, all anthro animals like Sonic and friends had evolved from normal animals eons ago after living in Star Fall Islands with the Ancients and their Emeralds for so long? And the Emeralds had also given the Mobians special abilities like speed, flight, and power types? And at some point, the "Mobians" became smart enough to split up, migrate to different locations around the world, and build their own civilizations? While at the same time as the Ancients evolving into Chao. And Star Fall Islands was once connected to other islands from early Sonic games but broke up as the Emeralds caused a massive flood? Imagine how'd that backstory have been like in a future Sonic game?
The way I explain the Heroes Vs 06 is that maybe sonic is just able to share more energy with members of the same species. That's the reason we don't see Super Tails or Super Knuckles in Heros but we do see Super Shadow and Super Silver in 06. Maybe each species taps into a different type of emerald power or uses them in a special way. As Super Sonic the emeralds would be tuned to fit Sonic's body, with Shadow and Silver they're genetics are similar enough to adapt but with Tails and Knuckles (a fox and echidna respectively) the power doesn't adapt to their bodies, instead only making super shields to protect them.
i've always been under the impression that super forms (besides the ones for the main hedgehogs + Trip) aren't really canon, which i got kinda confirmed in superstars, since by collecting all the emeralds as Tails, Knuckles and Amy gives them the ability to use "super powers" rather than "super forms", so i think that just like the other emerald powers, gaining "super powers" can only be done with in the Northstar Islands.
Hyper / Super Emeralds are still canon ever since Frontiers came out, due to Ian Flynn confirming it, and Izuka (in an interview) also saying they do exist and are in another dimension.
Mania had some pretty good visual storytelling during the fight between Knuckles and the Heavy King where the Super Emeralds were darkened and had cracks on top of them. I like to think that meant that they were used by either Sonic or Knuckles (likely the latter given how the ‘Super Sonic only’ ending screen ties into Knuckles’ story) and they ended up in that state after they were used. Maybe one day they’ll come back. Who knows
That's dumb. Personally I don't think they should be canon at all especially with the Ancients being a thing, but even at that, the heck do you mean another dimension? Legit the one time they've been relevant they were literally just in the Hidden Palace what
@@brolytriplethreat Idk either but i just wanted to say they are still canon, even if they are just chilling in a different dimension somehow(?) after Sonic 3 and Knuckles.
Not a bad explanation. However, I would like to say that at the time of Sonic Origins, they did a retcon that says the Hyper Sonic is canon but was just a one-time thing. This means the Master Emerald let him and the Chaos Emeralds use their true strength so they could save the Master Emerald from Eggman in S3&K. As for 1:22, that is actually an entirely different thing as in Sonic Heroes, Sonic specifically shoots the energy toward Tails and Knuckles rather than letting them absorb the energy, which is what causes those golden orbs to surround them. Whereas in O6 he lets Shadow and Silver actually absorb the energy. This may seem like an inconsistency, but it actually makes sense when you remember that the chaos emeralds are sentient living beings. They feel emotions and pain. So imagine if they are already inside of Sonic when he is in his Super form, their life energy gets combined with his, and they use their strength to maintain that form for Sonic for as long as he needs. [the rings being needed for the super form is and always has been just a gameplay thing in the Japanese lore] Now imagine making the emeralds spread their energy into two other people. Just like how the human body can get injured when exerting too much energy, the same applies to the emeralds when it has to have three individuals transformed at once at full power, causing the form to gain a time limit which wouldn't you know it in the Solaris boss fight there is a big timer a timer that causes all three hedgehogs to revert back to their normal forms once it reaches zero. Now, you may say well, Sonic and Shadow have both been transformed before in SA2, yes, but they both used the emeralds at the same time for that transformation, meaning they both each had half of the emeralds inside of their bodies. Hence the emeralds were not strained or pushed to their limits. The reason Shadow lost his super form in SA2 is because the power of the Chaos Emeralds' energy depends on the user's emotions [I know someone in the comments said it was a mistranslation, but it wasn't. The words to describe the emeralds in Japanese can mean both things and in Japanese is described as the emerald's energy changes based on the emotions of the user, just like I said. Which matches the prophecy Tikal speaks of in SA1. The emeralds turn the user's emotions into power.] In SA2, Shadow was conflicted. He believed he betrayed Maria. He believed he was a failure, but he had hope in determination that he could still make it right if he just stopped the ark. This is reflected in the original SA2 super shadow color scheme, which is more silver than gold, showing that his emotions were not entirely positive or truly strong enough to allow him to maintain the positive fueled form for a long time. It was the chaos energy in his veins and his resolve to make things right for Maria that allowed the emeralds to give him that temporary form. He transformed, knowing he more than likely would not have made it back on board the ark. [That's why his final line that games was him asking her if that is what she wanted. If him saving the world was truly her wish.] My point is that the theory doesn't make sense in the context of the true lore, which until IDW and Frontiers is the Japanese script for all the games. So, in lore, Tails and Knuckles would have obtained their super forms in Heroes if Sonic actually let them absorb the energy. Also, the reason Knuckles's super form has no difference from Hyper is because they are the same form, but super is his true potential, and hyper is that potential multiplied even further. It might be hard to understand, but due to Knuckles being around the Master Emerald all the time, he kind of obtained some of its energy, which is why he can sense its shards in the Adventure games and hear when it calls to him. Basically, think of Super Knuckles as potential unleashed and Hyper Knuckles as Beast Gohan for a comparison. Just as Super Sonic is SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, or SSG level, depending on where Sonic is in the timeline [He gets stronger with every second and day] and Hyper Sonic as SSB in S3&K terms and Ultra Instinct but in a they can be in three places of time and space at once deal if Modern Sonic used the form. I could carry on, but this is already pretty long.
I believe the standard white flashing form is just called Advanced form. Knuckles used to have a hyper form that was all pink but they downgraded him to advanced. Everyone that isn’t a (male) hedgehog (cuz sega is sexist like that) has advanced form, the only exception being Trip, cuz of her dragon form.
5:34 in the game Sonic Chronicles, the echidna Ix becomes ‘Super Ix’ with the power of the Master Emerald, which he stole. Sonic then counters him by becoming Super Sonic with the remaining Chaos Emeralds, supporting this theory.
Not sure if this has ANY support to it but it is a little strange that knuckles’ ancestors could predict the future and the yellow emerald in superstars has time powers. Maybe the super emeralds and the emeralds when on the North Star islands have similar effects.
It might be worth digging into the info made in the original Sonic 1 and 2 manuals and lore notes, as well as considering the idea of "animals as power source" with the Badniks. In general, the inhabitants of the big islands (South, west side, angel island, Northstar, etc) seem to have connection to a powerful energy that eggman would harness as fuel for his robots and factories. Both these animals and Emeralds were located in the same place. I believe it would make sense both the animal power and emeralds power are both "chaos" power, just animals have a lower amount of it, and this includes Sonic and co as well. Perhaps sonic has a bit more so he's more in tune with the Emeralds.
What I want to know is why there's been little acknowledgement of the "Chaos" creature over time. Sonic Adventure decided that what made them the Chaos Emeralds is that parts of "Chaos" are sealed in them. Are they channeling the energy of the creature? Or are the devs hoping to build up to a retcon...
I think the reason some people need the super emeralds to power up as opposed to the chaos emeralds is beacause if you're not experienced you can only take a certain ig percent of the emeralds power so you need more total power to get the same effect
In the case of Knuckles he’s supposed to have experience with chaos energy and so he can use it and has knowledge on how to deal with it. This is also why he was able to knock Sonic out of his Super Form.
I still wonder if the Wisps' Hyper Go-On Energy is actually stronger than the Chaos Emeralds. Unused dialogue in Colors downright say it is, but it's unused dialogue at the end of the day. Also, is it possible for Hyper Go-On Energy and Chaos Energy to be combined and grant someone a form even higher than Super or Hyper?
We've seen Sonic quite literally fuse with the different Wisps in a way, so I don't see why not! Though, after their overuse in recent years, I don't see something like that happening for a while, if at all
Someone else mentioned that early on the Chaos emeralds were supposed to be location specific. So rather than using the same emeralds across various islands locations and whatnot they are specific to that area. Which is why in... some old Sonic Chaos game or idr the exact title, there were many chaos emeralds that were all silver and plentiful but didn't provide a super form. Sonic could literally be basically the "Hero of time" "The chosen one" etc etc. As someone the Emeralds deem selfless to easily tap into their power. As the master Emerald seems to have some sort of sentience and the Emeralds also seem to have various effects depending on who wields them. Or where they land because sometimes it's shown they affect the area and other times they don't. Also, Knuckles is very... Stubborn. He may just use the power to amp up his own strength rather than actually transform into a stronger state. Mainly just boosting his stats rather than actually transforming. Sort of like what shadow does with his Chaos powers and that ~~damn~~ green 4th Chaos Emerald. Personally I just feel like they haven't really decided what they want the complete lore to be and they leave it sorta vague so that they can use the Emeralds however they want. Although... I'm still hoping for a proper 2D Sonic platformer where if they allow Coop they DONT FORCE everyone to be on the same screen on some Knuckles Chaotix bs, and no stupid gimmicks. More abilities, items/powerups. etc. I'm tired of whisp-esque gimmick bs.
I hope he looks at gems and items in the Sonic Universe like the World Rings, Sol Emeralds, Chaos Rings, Warp Topaz, Time Stones, Jeweled Scepter and the Sacred Swords
Thanks for the shoutout! I wanted to say 'negative', but the word wasn't coming to mind. So, I simply went with 'dark'. I didn't think of the Master Emerald acting as a neutral alternative to the Chaos Emeralds. But it makes sense seeing as it's more powerful. At this point, I'm thinking super forms have gone dormant for anyone who isn't a male hedgehog. The other heroes may very well need to absorb energy directly from the Master Emerald (or bring back the Super Emeralds) to reawaken their super forms. This includes Amy, Knuckles, Tails, Mighty, Ray, and possibly even Trip.
I think the simpliest way to make sense of this is to write off sonic heroes’ way of handling it. Maybe the 3 of them cant go super together so Sonic went super and shared the power. That makes Knuckles have a super and hyper form and tails just has the super form with the birds (makes sense for both of them. Knuckles has experience and tails is just a kid). Sidenote a lot of this is made annoying by hyper being writen out. All the games now end with a super fight so it would be nice to have some post game content with a fun reward (and build off existing lore instead of rewriting it)
Sega never said that they aren’t canon. They said they only exist in Sonic 3&Knuckles. I believe that the classic, Adventure and modern universes are parallel universes.
id check the comic for answers in them knucles has a green super form and tails gets more yellow plus sega and sonic team twitter say everything is canon now so id look more towards those
I like how in the comic’s knuckles is made up of chaos energy and his people alway use chaos energy and made knuckles for the master emerald but in the game they don’t want to give him his hyper form💀
In sonic 3 and knuckles tail just didn't have a super form in the original version probably do to some time restraints when making the game. Also it's shown that sonic has to lose and charge the emeralds to make them hyper to then go hyper. And knuckles' has a separate story that takes place after sonic and tails' story. That story shows knuckles going super and then hyper after doing what sonic and tails did with the emeralds to make them hyper. So my only guess to why tails and knuckles had a different look in heroes is cause unlike in 06 he is using power to just make them fly and hit stronger rather then sonic sharing the power with shadow and silver. He probably did that different cause metal just got strong while Solaris was ripping apart time and needed more help then.
I think who can achieve a full super form is down to whether or not the user can use Chaos Control. There are very few beings that can naturally draw out the full power of the emeralds
I think it's a lot like Dragon Ball than we think. The comparations is actually extremely overlooked by a lot of people. Like, Yaknow, Only Saiyans can go Super in DB. But everybody can get to the SSJ Power Level by training. Only Hedgehog can Go super, But everybody can use the Emeralds for a Power boost, the Hedgehogs simply get to use it in a way that leads more energy to their bodies.
That could very well be the case. I don't think it's necessarily overlooked, moreso that they haven't really explored that idea in the canon in terms of explaining it. It makes it all a bit confusing when they say ''Only male hedgehogs can go super'' but then they have Trip go super, they allow other characters to go super-but it looks different + the other transformations. Really hope they explain it all a bit better someday 😵
Tbh I always had this theory that the Super Emeralds actually answer some lore about the master emerald as we only know the master emerald is the bigger and stronger version of the chaos emeralds and is guarded or guarding them. But with the super emeralds being canon it explains that a chaos emerald can become a super emeralds which means the master emerald could be a previous super emerald. Which means when a chaos emerald becomes a super emerald it could take the role of the master emerald. Maybe there were 8 chaos emeralds and 1 became a super emerald we know as the master emerald? I find it funny how they said "the super emeralds are in another dimension, so we won't see them again." despite sonic constantly going to alternative dimensions and timelines in his games. Even the special stages are sometimes said to be other dimensions. But even then generations lets you go to sky sanctuary; which is where the super emeralds appeared and by that point they are super emeralds for the doomsday ending. Legit all you have to do is go to sky sanctuary and take the teleporter back; they're right there! XD
I think with super eggman in sonic movie 2, is that he was able to lose the emerald to a simple punch by knuckles, while sonic couldn’t be defeated at all, showing that eggman has minimal power over the emerald
I don't consider them canon because they are completely superfluous and never touched again, not to mention the confusion of what the Super Emeralds even are, especially after Frontiers gave us an origin for the regular Emeralds. The Hidden Palace doesn't even show up again outside of Mania, it's real strange And again, they're kinda redundant and only existed because they made fourteen special stages.
My theory is, Sonic is simply the main character and if everyone can go super and considering sonic's friends always tag along, it "takes away" from Sonic being special, and shadow/silver being occasional treats for fans/surprise characters at times in games and media (and being hedgehogs) they're allowed to go super sometimes as that won't outshine Sonic. Trip is also a rare character so she can also have the super form too, again, she won't outshine Sonic. I don't agree with this and yes, Super Sonic is Sega's golden boy but it also takes away from the opportunity other characters can have.
maybe im remembering wrong but Didnt neo metal use the emeralds to turn into metal orverlord in heroes? So the orb power we see around knuckles and tails could be that metal used a significant amount of chaos energy and sonic was only able to muster the orbs to at the very least protect and give enough of a boost to knuckles and tails for the final battle.
Already working on yet another video on this topic! Though, I'm going to give it a bit more time before covering this again. So, if you have any subjects or questions you'd like me to tackle in that video, you've still got time! Leave a comment and I'll do my best to answer it in the next video!
You mentioned dialouge from a twitter takeover, and something else that happens in a twitter takeover is that eggman actually going super
@@Blufi755 I believe they mention something like him having an LCD over his mustache, so it's likely it was just a joke 😅
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How does Super Sonic 2 and Dark Spine Sonic fit into all this?.. Could Sonic have a burning form if he used the Sol Emeralds.
I thought it was explained that Knuckles glides with his dreads
His dreads don’t do all the work. He bends the wind and traps it under his dreads which creates the glide.
He did, but they retconed it.
@@Khaos_Labs When? And how does it work
@maxmatthews3443 it changed in the Sonic Superstars Twitter Takeover, and they don't explain how it specifically the wind bending works. I like to think it's the same way Tikal used the master emerald to lift Angle Island.
@@Khaos_LabsYou still say they're using their dread to bend the wing. Also I would count the Twitter takeover as completely canon
There’s actually no positive or negative chaos energy, that was just a mistranslation in the English script for Adventure. It’s not the energy that’s positive or negative, it’s the user’s will and emotion that uses the energy for positive or negative things.
The likely requirements for Super forms are some physical prowess (and maybe exposure/experience with the emeralds) but most of all an exceedingly strong enough will and emotion. The Emeralds’ chant is “The servers are the seven chaos. Chaos is power. POWER IS ENRICHED BY THE HEART”, and are stated to grant “wishes” and “miracles.” It’s shown multiple times that they work off emotions: reviving and boosting the vegetation at the end of Sonic 1 from the will of Sonic and the animals; Sonic and the others’ positive emotions and will recharged the emeralds in Adventure; Elise and the others will and emotions brought Sonic back from the dead in 06; in a Sonic Channel cover story a bridge was collapsing and while Silver held it up Sonic looked for the fallen pieces including a keystone, when he had difficulty finding the keystone he saw a shine of a Chaos Emerald and the keystone happened to have fell right beside the emerald; etc.
The reason Sonic, Shadow and Silver can go super is because not only do they have great physical capabilities, but most of all they have strong confidence and wills extremely set on saving the world.
Trip likely went Super because she was so annoyed with Fang and Eggman mistreating her, her home, and the animals; so her large will set on protecting her island and its animals let her go Super. It would also explain why she didn’t go super in the final battle, because while she had the emotions and will to beat Fang in that moment, she may not have enough for that final giant battle.
Perfect Chaos was built on sort of opposite emotions. Chaos was full of rage and anger for the Knuckles clan killing the chao - which he thought all were dead - thus giving him a giant creepy form that caused massive destruction.
As for Mecha and Neo, it’s possible they don’t quite have the high enough will, but them being robots is kind of a cheat since the emeralds can easily be used as batteries in technology.
Also the hyper forms and any classic Super forms other than Sonic’s, Trip’s and Mecha’s aren’t canon. Hyper is repeatedly ignored or given an excuse not to reappear, and the characters themselves never mention it. And as Ian and Superstars states, the other’s forms are just gameplay mechanics, and they distinctly say “person got Super Powers” rather than “Sonic/Trip can go Super/Dragon form.”
isn't it said that male hedgehogs just automatically have the ability to go super?
@@Cupcakeboi2000 No, that was just a guideline for Archie that only the male hedgehogs could go super; since Sonic, Shadow and Silver were the only male hedgehogs, and they have pre-existing super forms.
Shadow and Silver have a massive amount of energy independent of the emeralds so getting a fraction of the power would be enough for a form but for Tails it wouldn’t for knuckles that might be the case that either he’s ignorant of his own potential or he has a subconscious fear of the emerald because of Their history with his tribe
For knuckles it's probably both
I wouldn’t be surprised if that were knuckles case.
Give us golden knuckles🥺😭
i think it doesnt decrease their power since the chaos emeralds energy is infinite
One thing that people always forget: Knuckles position as guardian of the emerald isn’t a “gift” it’s a _punishment_
His tribe tried to steal the emerald and so their punishment was to guard it so no one else could try to do it again
Him being unable to go super is probably part of the punishment, the emeralds don’t let him use their power so easily
All of that is garbage knuckles has the highest affinity with master emerald and his super form is a god mode that does everything sonic can plus more as a matter of fact super tails and sonic couldn’t beat knuckles in his super form so idk what all this garbage is in this video unless he just going based off the video games
Only male hedgehogs have access to super form, other forms are non cannon
Knuckles not being able to go super while silver can will forever make me die inside
Don't worry. If Silver, Princess Elise, and Shadow gather the seven Chaos Emeralds, they could bring you back to life.
@@Boomblox5896who wants to live in a 🌎 w/ a transfomationless Knux?
@ If people speak up enough against SEGA, then Ian Flynn might crowbar in a way to make Knuckles into a Hyper Knuckles in some future Knuckles-focused game.
@Boomblox5896 we really need super knuckles, this guy is the protector of the Master Emerald and has the closest relationship with it, and yet he doesn't have super forms? And yet Silver and Shadow have it? It's illogical (although you could argue Shadow has it because of him being the Ultimate Life Form at least)
@@shiori00 Well, if you take it from a biological perspective, people would argue it's because certain species or certain people just have better adaptation to the Emeralds' power and are able to channel its Chaos Energy more easily. Maybe the Echidnas are simply Echidnas and were just about the perfect candidates to simply GUARD it instead of ABUSE its power. Of course, maybe one day Knuckles and the Master Emerald will have to use that power for some bigger purpose, but we will see...
Knuckles should really be able to harness the power of the emeralds better than anyone.
He does I don’t know where this guy is getting his info from but in the Archie comics knuckles is a god in super mode
@@ericblackwell70 Archie comics aren’t canon to the games
he tribe tried to be eggman so his punish ment is guard it
0:56 I will always find it ridiculous that they never give Tails and Knuckles super forms that actually change their colors like Sonic
I think Super Tails would be light blue, and Super Knuckles would be emerald green (like Master Emerald)
I kinda have a hard time believing that knuckles isn‘t in-tune with the emeralds on a level rivaling sonic, he‘s THE literal guardian of the master emerald, he even punched them out of Sonic at the start of 3 and Knuckles
Yeah it's just sega wanting sonic to be the only main character.
Knuckles really does serve as the linchpin that makes explaining the theory, and figuring out how it'd work much more complicated. Forget the theory even- explaining the emeralds and super forms becomes more complicated when you toss him in the mix
Doesn’t mean he has chaos power control down.
@GerfdasGaming In the the Knuckles Tailstube Episode, Tails speculates that Knuckles may have access to a unique form through the power of the Master Emerald, he also says this in a way that makes it seem like Knuckles can't go Super or at the very least not go Super the same way sonic does.
Maybe Echidnas are more in-tune with the Master Emerald specifically,
Instead of the 7 Chaos Emeralds like the Hedgehogs.
There could be a form that Knuckles can tap into using the Master Emerald that the Hedgehogs can't replicate,
But he just doesn't know how to.
3:39 headcanon moment, in the takeover it's a reference to concept art showing Knuckles using his dreadlocks to specifically to glide which are also kinda shown in the sprites for S3&K and gliding animation in SA1
5:23 but in the movies, the master emerald is essentially just a casing for the seven chaos emeralds. Sure it’s possible the master emerald has power of its own in the movies, after all it has to be very powerful to contain the seven emeralds, but it looks as if the master emerald is essentially just a convenient carrying case for the seven emeralds that allows you to focus their power more easily.
In sonic blast 5 chaos emeralds seem to be stored in a bigger emerald that is flashes different colours like hyper sonic does
@MynameMostexp I wonder if merging the power of fewer emeralds makes the combined bigger emerald less stable? It would flash different colors because the energies of the individual emeralds are not being properly contained/equalized idk
The movie continuity is entierely different
I believe the thing about the chaos emeralds is that their effects are chaotic. All the inconsistencies are because they work different for different things, different people and different situations. All the myriad of ways to use them comes from pulling on one of the infinite aspects of the emeralds. The Master emerald is the one that essentially emanates an aura of controlled chaos. Order itself, if you will.
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This is why the powers of the emeralds are infinite, but infinite in possibilities. Chaos is essential to the Universe and inherent to life.
Worth mentioning, we do have an interview that mentions where the Super Emeralds are, meaning, Hyper Sonic and Hyper Knuckles are canon again.
True, though they mention them being in a different dimension, which doesn't make sense considering they're just the powered up Chaos Emeralds
@@GerfdasGaming You know the Namekian Dragon Balls? I figure it's like that.
The Chaos Emeralds turn thought into power, but I think there is a requirement, intent is needed to gain the Super form. Sonic always wants to enact justice and preserve free will, and he has a mind unhindered by doubt. Shadow has a purpose for every action he takes and his motive is to fulfill Maria’s wish to preserve life and happiness. They want to take action on their own, not just “use” the Chaos Emeralds. That is probably why they can go Super so easily and retain a form. That probably also explains why Sonic becomes even faster and Shadow’s Chaos abilities become more powerful even with the inhibitor rings on.
I always thought that the reason there was a discrepancy between how certain Super forms look was just due to artistic interpretation.
And has no one ever thought that Tails and Knux's shields could simply be the appearance they gave to their super forms in Heroes and that's it? I mean, Super Sonic's spikes have changed quite a bit during his growth, going from being bristly spikes (classic era) to being Shadow's spikes (Adventures) to being the full SSJ with spikes pointing up after Heroes (and it wasn't just for the character growth, they redesigned the Classic Super Sonic to be more similar to the modern one) They simply decided to interpret the, brighter tone as an energy bubble for that game, after all, since Heroes we haven't seen the Modern Super Tails and Super Knuckles, let alone the Hypers and that's why they don't have a design with what the current lore is
I don't understand the fact that Super Forms with a different design are exclusive to those experienced with emeralds, it does not make much sense to me, like, how Silver, a novice with emeralds and their powers, could become Super with his own design but Tails who has been using them for years and Knux who is directly their guardian could not?
I guess Silver could be explained by having a pure heart like Sonic. I’m still lost on Knux though
Yeah ngl Knuckles really does muddy the waters. I suppose one way to look at it, would to be that the emeralds have a different effect depending on who uses them/who is exposed to them. As for the different looks, I look at it as different forms entirely hence my theory. With either enough exposure/training/knowledge of the emeralds power, every character has the potential to go super. In a way, it's also me hoping that we'll get an ACTUAL awesome looking super Tails/Knuckles in the future. They deserve more than just flashing
Nah, at the time, only male Hedgehogs were allowed to be super
It is kinda sus how even since the 90s Sonic Team has refused to give any character besides Sonic a proper super form. I mean, why is it that Sonic is the only one who actually transforms when he collects all the emeralds from the other characters in Sonic The Fighters? In that game they all only get an invincibility effect, and now in Superstars they only get “Super powers” from the emeralds.
Quite fitting they're hard to explain. They are the *chaos* emeralds.
While in the Meta Era Hyper Sonic not being canon was indeed the case, with the Sonic renaissance and new lore team this has been changed back to being canon. (Chaotix has also been reinstated) The Twitter Takeovers however, have been stated by both members of the lore team like Ian and Sonic Team to not be canon and are just the voice actors having fun.
On Hyper Sonic, he was scrapped from Frontiers, so I don't know about how true that is.
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Thats not really a strong argument because the same person that shared info, Ian, also gave the reason it was cut and it had nothing to do with continuity. Ian has also said Hyper is still canon. Heck Mania has a outright reference to it in Knuckles' story mode.
@@TheSwordsman100 Oh, didn't know that. I do think I'm wrong, but at the same time, you never know with these goobers lol
Ahhh so they AREN'T canon. Do you happen to know where I could find the statement for that? I'd like to include it in a future video to correct some of the information. I've heard of them reinstating Hyper, but their reasoning of not using it again being that the Super Emeralds are in another dimension doesn't make a ton of sense 😭They truly don't make this easy
@@TheSwordsman100 Do you have a source for that? The way I heard it Ian tried to push for Hyper and it was refused without any solid reasoning given other than that Sonic Team didn't want Hyper in it.
That’s easy,
7 shiny crystals = gold person
7 SUPER shiny crystals = rainbow person🙃
I can understand Tails not having the ability to become fully super as he’s young and tends to be on the sidelines as support. Knuckles should definitely be able to have a true super form at least by now.
I'm pretty sure it was stated for a long while now that Hyper forms are actually canon, it's just that the Super Emeralds are in a different dimension making not possible to be used by Sonic currently.
What if Sonic specifically has an affinity for the Chaos emeralds because he is inherently chaotic? In the sense of his free spirit and not wanting to be tied down.
Shadow was literally built to channel their power, so it doesn't matter so much if he isn't a chaotic personality.
Silver... I really don't know him all that well to speak to that.
But yeah, I do wish they'd at least given the other characters palette swaps for their super forms, if not full on altered models/sprites.
Silver has lived his entire life in chaos
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Tbh, Shadow Generations made me want Super Forms to be limited to sonic just so that the other members of the cast can get their own original transformations, like the Doom Wing was for Shadow.
Tho by this I feel like super forms should just exclusive to everyone else but the cast stil have their own forms
I think if I could change things, everyone would be able to go Super, but Super would manifest differently for everyone. The Emeralds turn thoughts into power. If the person utilizing them is different why wouldn't the power be different?
The reason why characters like knuckles, Amy, tails, mighty, and ray become super is I’m pretty sure it’s just a game mechanic.
My theory was that during the classic era, every animal could go super, depending on which lore do you believe by the time is sonic adventure comes around it was reduced to only male hedgehogs, since they are now only seven chaos emerald In addition to the master emerald as the rest have disappeared mysteriously that explains why tails and knuckles had to have a bubble shield, while sonic goes super, since they no longer could transform into those forms. Well, I prefer the dimensional split theory because it makes the lore more complete. By the way, I’m more of an American sonic fan boy
I don't know. I think that feels kind of silly.
I mean why would it be that during that time period everyone could go super but not after?
I also don't like the timeline split, and I'm glad it got retconned again because it just broke the continuity.
@@Zinkolo I like the dimensional split theory better, because the whole idea of a unified lore that is straight up every sonic game Is so messy
@@Zinkolo I despised how tails tube retconned The dimensional split theory out of Canaan, because there are tons of contradictions between the classic and modern games. They can’t even fit.
3:33 i heard about really simple explanation of how knuckles can glide: due to his spikes on the head being really long, they create some kind of air - dynamical thing, leting knuckles glide without any problems.
4:47 There's are inconsistencies here, Emerald Eggman is a completely different form. Moreover, Sonic, Tails and Knuckles have known about the Master Emerald's ability to create super forms ever since Mecha did it but never once thought to try it themselves. Moreover, the lore in Sonic Adventure insulates that the Master Emerald's power is merely that of controlling the chaos power of the Chaos Emeralds, meaning *_it can not create super forms through its own power but rather through the power of the chaos emeralds._*
I think in order to go Super one must have enough emotional willpower to transfer their thoughts into power. You have to actually feel something in the moment to transform. That's why Eggman can never use the Chaos Emeralds to go Super, he's emotionless and only values a never-ending hunger for conquer and world domination.
You're onto something with this. Which is why at least in some sense, I believe the emeralds have to spiritual to some degree.
Tbqh i wouldn’t use twitter takeovers as a source of lore, even if they’re answering something semi seriously
Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Blaze, and Trip have super forms that canonically matter. Their appearances actually change.
Tails, Knuckles, Mighty, Ray, and Amy have super forms for the sake of gameplay balancing. Their fur just glows on and off.
Are these super form variants equally powerful? There isn't an answer, not that it'd matter anyway.
I mean the first group can fly in their super form, the other group can't. I think that right there shows that Tails, Knuckles, Mighty, Ray, and Amy have a lesser version of a super form. They get the invulnerability and a speed boost but not everything else.
@Ron_Junkman Well, Tails and Knuckles could fly in their modern redesigned super forms- the gold bubbles in Sonic Heroes.
@ but the super shields aren’t from them using the power of the emeralds, they are from Sonic sharing the power
@Ron_Junkman Which may not invalidate them. Sonic did the same thing to transform Shadow and Silver in 06.
@@dreqdreck7531 yea the Sonic 06 moment is part of why I want a Sonic Heroes remake so we can maybe get a reworking of the final fight so Tails and Knuckles can have their proper Super forms and not the Super Shields.
Actually, Tails implies during a Tailstube (dont remember which one) that Knuckles can properly turn super. When asked about it, Knuckles straight up says that its not his place to use the ME's power for himself. Its very likely Knuckles just chooses not to turn super for his own personal reasons
Interesting! This could explain why both his Super and Hyper forms look incredibly similar. Perhaps he's limiting himself on purpose
Considering his races history with the gems that would be entirely understandable. He probably WOULD have some personal hangups about using them directly after learning what he did in SA1
Heroes Super Forms are because Sonic is going Super and they get the off shoot energy. Literally, Sonic isn't transferring the power in Heroes but, rather the massive amount of energy he gives off going Super just starts to surround Knuckles and Tails.
It was recently confirmed to be their super forms.
So Hyper Sonic is canon as seen in the origins cutscene the canon ending is Doomsday Zone.
From what I know the Super Emeralds could only be used once and while not concrete on this last thing the is a claim out there Sonic Team as said they are in another dimension nobody can access after the events of Sonic 3 and Knuckles which is weird given the Super Emeralds are just powered up Chaos Emeralds but whatever.
Regardless nobody can go hyper anymore.
Tails and Knuckles super forms aren't canon even though it should be, the same extends out to the Mania characters and yes even Amy.
The heroes thing is just shielding Sonic is doing like I said in the other videos.
Also, many characters can go super using the emeralds as we seen in Sonic Adventure 2 and in the IDW comics, thus explaining the Sonic 06 thing.
In Sonic Superstars Sonic is the only one who can go super, the others just get Super Powers.
Also, the new character Trip while they technically achieve a Super Form, it's just a Dragon Form.
So the Knuckles gliding thing as been stated in several descriptions and even in the design descriptions that it's his quills that let him glide, often found in older descriptions.
This is why if people remember to add it in, you can see his quills spreading out to allow him to glide.
The Knuckles remark given the continued decanonization of even his Super form is regarded as a if he could go Super.
Knuckles can find the Master Emerald shards just by sense them at times and if I am correct mistook a Chaos Emerald for a shard(not sure about that last bit).
So shouldn't he have far more connections to it than Sonic?
Didn't Gerald come across the Master Emerald.
While it is noteworthy Movie Eggman achieved a Super form, the emeralds do work differently between both continuities.
The game ones require you to have rings just to go Super, yes that is not just a gameplay mechanic.
Burning Blaze is technically a super form but to Sonic Team it doesn't count because well it's not call Super.
Again there is that annoying only male hedgehogs can while ignoring important details.
In the end as pointed out by many these weird restrictions is more than likely to distance themselves from DBZ.
"Tails and Knuckles super forms aren't canon even though it should be, the same extends out to the Mania characters and yes even Amy.
The heroes thing is just shielding Sonic is doing like I said in the other videos."
Yes and no, yes in the manner that the states have not been used story wise, no in the manner that doesn't mean in universe this wouldn't be the result. (I'll touch more on the latter down when it becomes more relevant) Kirby does something similar with it's lore using events that don't take place to explore deeper lore.
"Also, the new character Trip while they technically achieve a Super Form, it's just a Dragon Form."
No, its outright stated officially to be a super form.
"The Knuckles remark given the continued decanonization of even his Super form is regarded as a if he could go Super."
Quite the opposite, Ian's intention was to see if Knuckles could still go Super with the line, as it wasn't till Superstars that the form was treated differently and as a reference to his story which takes place after Sonic and Tails. (only Tails used to need the Master Emerald's help to qualify as Super)
"Didn't Gerald come across the Master Emerald."
Yes. Outright saw the shrine as well.
@@TheSwordsman100The idea of what could happen, hmmm I like where you're going with that.
I recall that claim but haven't found the origin of it actually being a super form and not well just dragon form.
If you can give a source for that to me that would be great!!!
I am aware Knuckles story takes place after Sonic's.
I am aware of the intentions but the whole Superstars thing made it moot.
But....
Now that I'm thinking of it referring to Emeralds powers might not mean Super Powers Form but maybe just the special powers emeralds given on the Starfall Islands.
Trip literally breaks the argument of “only male hedgehogs”
@@cosmicspacething3474 actual Mecha, Metal, and Chaos do.
Also, read my Trip remarks.
@@Eris1987 What’s the difference between a Dragon super and a Normal super?
Don't forget Knuckles has a form with the Master Emerald called the Echidna Shockwave. Seen in Sonic and SEGA Allstars Racing.
I believe he also has that form in Brotherhood right? Either way, I believe both games aren't considered canon
@@GerfdasGamingThey are canon, they are on the Sonic Channel and are treated as official media for the story.
It seems like hedgehogs are naturally more adept at channeling the full power of the chaos emeralds, while echidnas struggle a bit, but one trait echidnas do have wich hedgehogs don't is the ability to sense the emeralds' presence
But apparently Female Hedgehogs are left out because Amy doesn’t get a Super form
@@cosmicspacething3474
And weirdly enough we still have Burning Blaze, so it's not japan being sexist.
Yeah that makes sense, and tails because he’s nothing special.
@@joshshrum2764
Bro is literally as smart as eggman
The Emeralds power allows me to feel
I kinda wish more of the characters had super forms
Knuckles has his green chaos form from Archie. I consider that him using the master emerald’s power.
The real explanation is that Sega and Sonic Team didn't think that much about Super Forms. They just wanted to give the player a reward for collecting all emeralds, and they were fans of Dragon Ball back in the day, and when Sonic 2 released Super Saiyan Goku was 1 year old, still a fresh concept.
I don't think there's an ib universe explanation. They just think Super Sonic looks cool and that's it. Other characters will not have a Super Form unless it is relevant to the plot or character progression.
Trip turns into a dragon because it is character defining moment of facing her bully.
Not to be rude but this is a moot point. We're just trying to figure out how these work within the lore. Yes they probably just wanted to make it look cool but that means nothing for worldbuilding
5:18 “Whilst the movie isn’t canon”
Sonic X Shadow Generations connecting the two universes with it’s new DLC: Allow me to introduce myself
(Just to be clear, obviously the games and movies have different canon but Sonic X Shadow Generations shows us that it is fairly easy to travel to and from each universe with just a warp ring. Although I guess you technically aren’t in your body anymore, you would be in the body of the you in that universe)
I have to wonder if the DLC is canon... After all, it's just a ring that appears out of nowhere from some ''anomaly.'' Sonic Lost World also had DLC that connected to the Yoshi series and Zelda for example. Not only would it not be easy for the two to crossover (since it stems from some sort temporal anomaly), but I'd go as far to say that the DLC itself most likely isn't canon. I take it as a ''what-if'' that's meant to promote the movie. Now, if the DLC were integrated into the plot somehow, then I'd change my stance.
@ True it could just be DLC for fun and not meant to connect the two universes. I really hope in the future we get a more concrete answer on this because I doubt this will be the last time they do something like this.
I’m pretty sure there was a Twitter Takeover where Knuckles stated that he would never use the Chaos Emeralds powers for himself, so a super form may be possible.
5:23 but in the movie the chaos and master emeralds are fused until the master emerald breaks, separated they probably have diferent energies when fused and when separeted, as in fused they stay balanced but separeted have difrent properties
My take for the movie is that Sonic, Knuckles, and Shadow are the only 3 with actual Chaos energy, and that attunement is what grants them the control of the emeralds in Super form.
Meanwhile, Eggman is just a normal human. Not only does the Chaos energy sort of corrupt him, it doesn’t seem to give him any sort of physical enhancement. At most, he was using the chaos energy to manipulate the world around him.
So to me, Super forms and their control seem to be dependent on that natural attunement to the emeralds via latent Chaos Energy, which not everyone has.
I think a headcannon reason as to why only the male hedgehogs can go Super is because they intrinsically have energy-based abilities (Sonic’s speed, Shadow’s chaos powers, and Silver’s psychokinesis). Same with how Blaze can go Burning because she has fire powers.
But I think there’s another reason why only they can do it. The mural on Angel Island of Super Sonic and Perfect Chaos theorizes that a hedgehog existed before Sonic who was able to go Super. Why else would there be a mural of him? After all, legends are loosely based on real events.
My guess is that Sonic, Shadow, and Silver have a special connection to the emeralds given that they’re hedgehogs and why they can use their full power. I think a game focusing on this would be really cool.
Howdy there, fantastic video! I was thinking in regards to how emeralds and prolonged exposure to them may be like some form of "magical radiation." Hedgehogs may be able to access the Chaos Energy more effectively because their bodies are just able to adapt to Chaos Energy more easily than others. This would explain why in all of Gerald Robotnik's research, he would find it logical that the 'Ultimate Lifeform' capable of withstanding and harnessing the energy easily would be a hedgehog, leading to the creation of Shadow as we know him. As well, Shadow being able to learn how to use the powers from Gerald would show why he has a greater mastery over the powers than Sonic does, as he has the power to warp more effortlessly than Sonic can, as well as producing spears, time manipulation, etc. As far as Echidna go, I wonder if the radiation theory may be true, but in the opposite sense: Echidna may have a harder time tapping into the full powers of the emeralds because of their exposure to them, and their bodies may have developed a form of resistance or immunity. Knuckles, having the ability to access super forms and understanding the core tenets of the balance in power of the emeralds, isn't easily swayed or tempted by using their power, though he does have access to more unique types of 'Chaos Mastery' as he is able to sense the approximate location of emeralds, shards, and even fuse them together (i.e., reforming the Master Emerald).
Knuckles lived next to the master emerald. The reason he doesn't "go super" from the chaos emeralds.... might be cuz he already is
I think Tails and Knuckles should get real Super Forms with real designs. They have a lot of inner strength and pure hearts. Tails couldn't do it with the regular Chaos Emeralds at first, in Sonic 2 or Sonic 3, but he was able to awaken it with the Super Emeralds and go Super regularly. Knuckles also is obviously Sonic's rival in power and potential.
Honestly i just feel like the chaos emeralds can power up anyone that is not a human but only some species change appearance because of physical predisposition
Now it's funny because the super forms are now called "having superpowers/superpowereds" as if they're something different from Sonic
Depending on the question, TT stuff can be divided into two categories. 1) it’s the VAs having fun while staying in character, and 2) for questions that challenge the lore, the head writers probably come up with something that they give to the VAs to read.
That's what I'm thinking, like a half and half. I've seen so many comments saying that they aren't canon, but after digging I just can't find the statement
I always figured the master emerald was typically a grounding force, unable to be used by organics directly for power but can stablize and focus the chaos emeralds. The only times im aware of the master emerald itself is used as a source of power is almost exclusively by machines, mecha, metal, and eggmans eggmech. As for why not everyone gets a super form when using the emeralds, tbh i dunno, id make a case for knuckles being in the master emeralds presence so often that he naturally resists the chaos emeralds effects.
the master emerald is the source of the chaos emeralds, this has been made clear in the series, it also has a will of it's own, which it's made known to knuckles a few times over the years. it stands to reason that it may simply choose who can and when they go super or "hyper". It also could be, and this is merely my head canon, that the echidna are actually resistant to it's altering effects. That they can't use chaos power in it's natural form, hence why even when transformed, hyper knuckles can't fly. Of course, some holes get poked in this because of heroes letting him fly, but it's also clear that there's a difference between when they get it to themselves and when they're sharing it.
One of my headcanons is that the Super Forms are the 'true' state of one being, explaining the radical changes between each user. Why does Trip look like a dragon? It's her true form! Why does Gemerl look very different from Super Sonic? It's his true form!
Honestly i wish everyone had unique super forms. The whole idea of the Emeralds is they turn thoughts into power, so why would the "power" be the same for everyone?
My headcanon is always that its dependent on how chaotic an individual is.
Sonic is by nature, chaotic individual.
So is Shadow and Silver (Silver is chaotic because hes always interfering with time, Shadow for obvious reasons)
Tails and Knuckles are both analytical and serious, respectively, not necessarily chaotic.
Although, this is my headcanon. But how would you all have liked it if lorewise, all anthro animals like Sonic and friends had evolved from normal animals eons ago after living in Star Fall Islands with the Ancients and their Emeralds for so long? And the Emeralds had also given the Mobians special abilities like speed, flight, and power types? And at some point, the "Mobians" became smart enough to split up, migrate to different locations around the world, and build their own civilizations? While at the same time as the Ancients evolving into Chao. And Star Fall Islands was once connected to other islands from early Sonic games but broke up as the Emeralds caused a massive flood? Imagine how'd that backstory have been like in a future Sonic game?
The way I explain the Heroes Vs 06 is that maybe sonic is just able to share more energy with members of the same species. That's the reason we don't see Super Tails or Super Knuckles in Heros but we do see Super Shadow and Super Silver in 06. Maybe each species taps into a different type of emerald power or uses them in a special way. As Super Sonic the emeralds would be tuned to fit Sonic's body, with Shadow and Silver they're genetics are similar enough to adapt but with Tails and Knuckles (a fox and echidna respectively) the power doesn't adapt to their bodies, instead only making super shields to protect them.
i've always been under the impression that super forms (besides the ones for the main hedgehogs + Trip) aren't really canon, which i got kinda confirmed in superstars, since by collecting all the emeralds as Tails, Knuckles and Amy gives them the ability to use "super powers" rather than "super forms", so i think that just like the other emerald powers, gaining "super powers" can only be done with in the Northstar Islands.
Hyper / Super Emeralds are still canon ever since Frontiers came out, due to Ian Flynn confirming it, and Izuka (in an interview) also saying they do exist and are in another dimension.
Mania had some pretty good visual storytelling during the fight between Knuckles and the Heavy King where the Super Emeralds were darkened and had cracks on top of them. I like to think that meant that they were used by either Sonic or Knuckles (likely the latter given how the ‘Super Sonic only’ ending screen ties into Knuckles’ story) and they ended up in that state after they were used.
Maybe one day they’ll come back. Who knows
That's dumb. Personally I don't think they should be canon at all especially with the Ancients being a thing, but even at that, the heck do you mean another dimension? Legit the one time they've been relevant they were literally just in the Hidden Palace what
@@brolytriplethreat Idk either but i just wanted to say they are still canon, even if they are just chilling in a different dimension somehow(?) after Sonic 3 and Knuckles.
@@brolytriplethreatThat’s your problem.
Sometimes I wonder why when tasked with making a "Ultimate Lifeform" they chose a hedgehog as the base
Not a bad explanation. However, I would like to say that at the time of Sonic Origins, they did a retcon that says the Hyper Sonic is canon but was just a one-time thing. This means the Master Emerald let him and the Chaos Emeralds use their true strength so they could save the Master Emerald from Eggman in S3&K.
As for 1:22, that is actually an entirely different thing as in Sonic Heroes, Sonic specifically shoots the energy toward Tails and Knuckles rather than letting them absorb the energy, which is what causes those golden orbs to surround them. Whereas in O6 he lets Shadow and Silver actually absorb the energy. This may seem like an inconsistency, but it actually makes sense when you remember that the chaos emeralds are sentient living beings. They feel emotions and pain. So imagine if they are already inside of Sonic when he is in his Super form, their life energy gets combined with his, and they use their strength to maintain that form for Sonic for as long as he needs. [the rings being needed for the super form is and always has been just a gameplay thing in the Japanese lore] Now imagine making the emeralds spread their energy into two other people. Just like how the human body can get injured when exerting too much energy, the same applies to the emeralds when it has to have three individuals transformed at once at full power, causing the form to gain a time limit which wouldn't you know it in the Solaris boss fight there is a big timer a timer that causes all three hedgehogs to revert back to their normal forms once it reaches zero.
Now, you may say well, Sonic and Shadow have both been transformed before in SA2, yes, but they both used the emeralds at the same time for that transformation, meaning they both each had half of the emeralds inside of their bodies. Hence the emeralds were not strained or pushed to their limits. The reason Shadow lost his super form in SA2 is because the power of the Chaos Emeralds' energy depends on the user's emotions [I know someone in the comments said it was a mistranslation, but it wasn't. The words to describe the emeralds in Japanese can mean both things and in Japanese is described as the emerald's energy changes based on the emotions of the user, just like I said. Which matches the prophecy Tikal speaks of in SA1. The emeralds turn the user's emotions into power.]
In SA2, Shadow was conflicted. He believed he betrayed Maria. He believed he was a failure, but he had hope in determination that he could still make it right if he just stopped the ark. This is reflected in the original SA2 super shadow color scheme, which is more silver than gold, showing that his emotions were not entirely positive or truly strong enough to allow him to maintain the positive fueled form for a long time. It was the chaos energy in his veins and his resolve to make things right for Maria that allowed the emeralds to give him that temporary form. He transformed, knowing he more than likely would not have made it back on board the ark. [That's why his final line that games was him asking her if that is what she wanted. If him saving the world was truly her wish.]
My point is that the theory doesn't make sense in the context of the true lore, which until IDW and Frontiers is the Japanese script for all the games. So, in lore, Tails and Knuckles would have obtained their super forms in Heroes if Sonic actually let them absorb the energy.
Also, the reason Knuckles's super form has no difference from Hyper is because they are the same form, but super is his true potential, and hyper is that potential multiplied even further. It might be hard to understand, but due to Knuckles being around the Master Emerald all the time, he kind of obtained some of its energy, which is why he can sense its shards in the Adventure games and hear when it calls to him. Basically, think of Super Knuckles as potential unleashed and Hyper Knuckles as Beast Gohan for a comparison. Just as Super Sonic is SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, or SSG level, depending on where Sonic is in the timeline [He gets stronger with every second and day] and Hyper Sonic as SSB in S3&K terms and Ultra Instinct but in a they can be in three places of time and space at once deal if Modern Sonic used the form.
I could carry on, but this is already pretty long.
I believe the standard white flashing form is just called Advanced form. Knuckles used to have a hyper form that was all pink but they downgraded him to advanced. Everyone that isn’t a (male) hedgehog (cuz sega is sexist like that) has advanced form, the only exception being Trip, cuz of her dragon form.
5:34 in the game Sonic Chronicles, the echidna Ix becomes ‘Super Ix’ with the power of the Master Emerald, which he stole. Sonic then counters him by becoming Super Sonic with the remaining Chaos Emeralds, supporting this theory.
Not sure if this has ANY support to it but it is a little strange that knuckles’ ancestors could predict the future and the yellow emerald in superstars has time powers. Maybe the super emeralds and the emeralds when on the North Star islands have similar effects.
It might be worth digging into the info made in the original Sonic 1 and 2 manuals and lore notes, as well as considering the idea of "animals as power source" with the Badniks. In general, the inhabitants of the big islands (South, west side, angel island, Northstar, etc) seem to have connection to a powerful energy that eggman would harness as fuel for his robots and factories. Both these animals and Emeralds were located in the same place. I believe it would make sense both the animal power and emeralds power are both "chaos" power, just animals have a lower amount of it, and this includes Sonic and co as well. Perhaps sonic has a bit more so he's more in tune with the Emeralds.
What I want to know is why there's been little acknowledgement of the "Chaos" creature over time. Sonic Adventure decided that what made them the Chaos Emeralds is that parts of "Chaos" are sealed in them. Are they channeling the energy of the creature? Or are the devs hoping to build up to a retcon...
I think the reason some people need the super emeralds to power up as opposed to the chaos emeralds is beacause if you're not experienced you can only take a certain ig percent of the emeralds power
so you need more total power to get the same effect
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In a world where emeralds go whoosh this was very thorough!
In the case of Knuckles he’s supposed to have experience with chaos energy and so he can use it and has knowledge on how to deal with it. This is also why he was able to knock Sonic out of his Super Form.
Having Sonic and Knuckles go super is like having Krillin and Piccolo go super....
I still wonder if the Wisps' Hyper Go-On Energy is actually stronger than the Chaos Emeralds. Unused dialogue in Colors downright say it is, but it's unused dialogue at the end of the day.
Also, is it possible for Hyper Go-On Energy and Chaos Energy to be combined and grant someone a form even higher than Super or Hyper?
We've seen Sonic quite literally fuse with the different Wisps in a way, so I don't see why not! Though, after their overuse in recent years, I don't see something like that happening for a while, if at all
Someone else mentioned that early on the Chaos emeralds were supposed to be location specific. So rather than using the same emeralds across various islands locations and whatnot they are specific to that area. Which is why in... some old Sonic Chaos game or idr the exact title, there were many chaos emeralds that were all silver and plentiful but didn't provide a super form.
Sonic could literally be basically the "Hero of time" "The chosen one" etc etc. As someone the Emeralds deem selfless to easily tap into their power. As the master Emerald seems to have some sort of sentience and the Emeralds also seem to have various effects depending on who wields them. Or where they land because sometimes it's shown they affect the area and other times they don't.
Also, Knuckles is very... Stubborn. He may just use the power to amp up his own strength rather than actually transform into a stronger state. Mainly just boosting his stats rather than actually transforming. Sort of like what shadow does with his Chaos powers and that ~~damn~~ green 4th Chaos Emerald.
Personally I just feel like they haven't really decided what they want the complete lore to be and they leave it sorta vague so that they can use the Emeralds however they want.
Although... I'm still hoping for a proper 2D Sonic platformer where if they allow Coop they DONT FORCE everyone to be on the same screen on some Knuckles Chaotix bs, and no stupid gimmicks. More abilities, items/powerups. etc. I'm tired of whisp-esque gimmick bs.
I hope he looks at gems and items in the Sonic Universe like the World Rings, Sol Emeralds, Chaos Rings, Warp Topaz, Time Stones, Jeweled Scepter and the Sacred Swords
Thanks for the shoutout! I wanted to say 'negative', but the word wasn't coming to mind. So, I simply went with 'dark'.
I didn't think of the Master Emerald acting as a neutral alternative to the Chaos Emeralds. But it makes sense seeing as it's more powerful.
At this point, I'm thinking super forms have gone dormant for anyone who isn't a male hedgehog. The other heroes may very well need to absorb energy directly from the Master Emerald (or bring back the Super Emeralds) to reawaken their super forms.
This includes Amy, Knuckles, Tails, Mighty, Ray, and possibly even Trip.
Why NOT female hedgehogs though?
@@cosmicspacething3474 That’s a good question…
I think the simpliest way to make sense of this is to write off sonic heroes’ way of handling it. Maybe the 3 of them cant go super together so Sonic went super and shared the power. That makes Knuckles have a super and hyper form and tails just has the super form with the birds (makes sense for both of them. Knuckles has experience and tails is just a kid).
Sidenote a lot of this is made annoying by hyper being writen out. All the games now end with a super fight so it would be nice to have some post game content with a fun reward (and build off existing lore instead of rewriting it)
Sega never said that they aren’t canon. They said they only exist in Sonic 3&Knuckles. I believe that the classic, Adventure and modern universes are parallel universes.
id check the comic for answers in them knucles has a green super form and tails gets more yellow plus sega and sonic team twitter say everything is canon now so id look more towards those
Something sega forgot is that knuckles glide because of his hair or that spikes because they like open and work like a parachute or glide
"They only get a bubble? A freaking bubble"
I like how in the comic’s knuckles is made up of chaos energy and his people alway use chaos energy and made knuckles for the master emerald but in the game they don’t want to give him his hyper form💀
In sonic 3 and knuckles tail just didn't have a super form in the original version probably do to some time restraints when making the game. Also it's shown that sonic has to lose and charge the emeralds to make them hyper to then go hyper. And knuckles' has a separate story that takes place after sonic and tails' story. That story shows knuckles going super and then hyper after doing what sonic and tails did with the emeralds to make them hyper. So my only guess to why tails and knuckles had a different look in heroes is cause unlike in 06 he is using power to just make them fly and hit stronger rather then sonic sharing the power with shadow and silver. He probably did that different cause metal just got strong while Solaris was ripping apart time and needed more help then.
I think the reason why the only hedgehogs can go super is the ability to use chaos control
I think who can achieve a full super form is down to whether or not the user can use Chaos Control. There are very few beings that can naturally draw out the full power of the emeralds
I think it's a lot like Dragon Ball than we think. The comparations is actually extremely overlooked by a lot of people.
Like, Yaknow, Only Saiyans can go Super in DB. But everybody can get to the SSJ Power Level by training.
Only Hedgehog can Go super, But everybody can use the Emeralds for a Power boost, the Hedgehogs simply get to use it in a way that leads more energy to their bodies.
That could very well be the case. I don't think it's necessarily overlooked, moreso that they haven't really explored that idea in the canon in terms of explaining it. It makes it all a bit confusing when they say ''Only male hedgehogs can go super'' but then they have Trip go super, they allow other characters to go super-but it looks different + the other transformations. Really hope they explain it all a bit better someday 😵
I always thought hedgehogs could due to their spines acting as intenne to channel chaos energy
Tbh I always had this theory that the Super Emeralds actually answer some lore about the master emerald as we only know the master emerald is the bigger and stronger version of the chaos emeralds and is guarded or guarding them. But with the super emeralds being canon it explains that a chaos emerald can become a super emeralds which means the master emerald could be a previous super emerald.
Which means when a chaos emerald becomes a super emerald it could take the role of the master emerald. Maybe there were 8 chaos emeralds and 1 became a super emerald we know as the master emerald?
I find it funny how they said "the super emeralds are in another dimension, so we won't see them again." despite sonic constantly going to alternative dimensions and timelines in his games. Even the special stages are sometimes said to be other dimensions. But even then generations lets you go to sky sanctuary; which is where the super emeralds appeared and by that point they are super emeralds for the doomsday ending. Legit all you have to do is go to sky sanctuary and take the teleporter back; they're right there! XD
I think with super eggman in sonic movie 2, is that he was able to lose the emerald to a simple punch by knuckles, while sonic couldn’t be defeated at all, showing that eggman has minimal power over the emerald
I always wanted to see a tails super form where he becomes an actual kitsune (with 9 tails or at least 4)
They are cannon the creators of the franchise confirmed that the hyper forms are in fact canon
Finally somebody understands the emeralds!
This is all assuming Super forms can only be golden.
Yeah this man is wildin if he actually agrees with the Male Hedgehogs statement.
Saying that hyper forms are not canon even though they are in a mainline canon game is like saying superstar/starman is not canon to Super Mario Bros
I don't consider them canon because they are completely superfluous and never touched again, not to mention the confusion of what the Super Emeralds even are, especially after Frontiers gave us an origin for the regular Emeralds. The Hidden Palace doesn't even show up again outside of Mania, it's real strange
And again, they're kinda redundant and only existed because they made fourteen special stages.
@@brolytriplethreatThat’s like saying Darkspine isn’t canon.
My theory is, Sonic is simply the main character and if everyone can go super and considering sonic's friends always tag along, it "takes away" from Sonic being special, and shadow/silver being occasional treats for fans/surprise characters at times in games and media (and being hedgehogs) they're allowed to go super sometimes as that won't outshine Sonic. Trip is also a rare character so she can also have the super form too, again, she won't outshine Sonic.
I don't agree with this and yes, Super Sonic is Sega's golden boy but it also takes away from the opportunity other characters can have.
I wouldn't really use the movies for canon explanations as the chaos emeralds and the master emerald are the same thing in that continuity.
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maybe im remembering wrong but Didnt neo metal use the emeralds to turn into metal orverlord in heroes? So the orb power we see around knuckles and tails could be that metal used a significant amount of chaos energy and sonic was only able to muster the orbs to at the very least protect and give enough of a boost to knuckles and tails for the final battle.
No, he did it by absorbing the data of all of the characters (including chaos data from Froggy and Chocola) but not the chaos emeralds themselves.
@Treesarewoke ah ok. That makes sense
They are chaos emeralds. Meaning they are chaotic and untapped potential
Sega sonic team making super forms so complex is so weird
Actually.... it's a good damn explanation
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