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@maxmatthews3443 it changed in the Sonic Superstars Twitter Takeover, and they don't explain how it specifically the wind bending works. I like to think it's the same way Tikal used the master emerald to lift Angle Island.
Shadow and Silver have a massive amount of energy independent of the emeralds so getting a fraction of the power would be enough for a form but for Tails it wouldn’t for knuckles that might be the case that either he’s ignorant of his own potential or he has a subconscious fear of the emerald because of Their history with his tribe
3:39 headcanon moment, in the takeover it's a reference to concept art showing Knuckles using his dreadlocks to specifically to glide which are also kinda shown in the sprites for S3&K and gliding animation in SA1
There’s actually no positive or negative chaos energy, that was just a mistranslation in the English script for Adventure. It’s not the energy that’s positive or negative, it’s the user’s will and emotion that uses the energy for positive or negative things. The likely requirements for Super forms are some physical prowess (and maybe exposure/experience with the emeralds) but most of all an exceedingly strong enough will and emotion. The Emeralds’ chant is “The servers are the seven chaos. Chaos is power. POWER IS ENRICHED BY THE HEART”, and are stated to grant “wishes” and “miracles.” It’s shown multiple times that they work off emotions: reviving and boosting the vegetation at the end of Sonic 1 from the will of Sonic and the animals; Sonic and the others’ positive emotions and will recharged the emeralds in Adventure; Elise and the others will and emotions brought Sonic back from the dead in 06; in a Sonic Channel cover story a bridge was collapsing and while Silver held it up Sonic looked for the fallen pieces including a keystone, when he had difficulty finding the keystone he saw a shine of a Chaos Emerald and the keystone happened to have fell right beside the emerald; etc. The reason Sonic, Shadow and Silver can go super is because not only do they have great physical capabilities, but most of all they have strong confidence and wills extremely set on saving the world. Trip likely went Super because she was so annoyed with Fang and Eggman mistreating her, her home, and the animals; so her large will set on protecting her island and its animals let her go Super. It would also explain why she didn’t go super in the final battle, because while she had the emotions and will to beat Fang in that moment, she may not have enough for that final giant battle. Perfect Chaos was built on sort of opposite emotions. Chaos was full of rage and anger for the Knuckles clan killing the chao - which he thought all were dead - thus giving him a giant creepy form that caused massive destruction. As for Mecha and Neo, it’s possible they don’t quite have the high enough will, but them being robots is kind of a cheat since the emeralds can easily be used as batteries in technology.
Also the hyper forms and any classic Super forms other than Sonic’s, Trip’s and Mecha’s aren’t canon. Hyper is repeatedly ignored or given an excuse not to reappear, and the characters themselves never mention it. And as Ian and Superstars states, the other’s forms are just gameplay mechanics, and they distinctly say “person got Super Powers” rather than “Sonic/Trip can go Super/Dragon form.”
I kinda have a hard time believing that knuckles isn‘t in-tune with the emeralds on a level rivaling sonic, he‘s THE literal guardian of the master emerald, he even punched them out of Sonic at the start of 3 and Knuckles
Knuckles really does serve as the linchpin that makes explaining the theory, and figuring out how it'd work much more complicated. Forget the theory even- explaining the emeralds and super forms becomes more complicated when you toss him in the mix
@GerfdasGaming In the the Knuckles Tailstube Episode, Tails speculates that Knuckles may have access to a unique form through the power of the Master Emerald, he also says this in a way that makes it seem like Knuckles can't go Super or at the very least not go Super the same way sonic does.
Maybe Echidnas are more in-tune with the Master Emerald specifically, Instead of the 7 Chaos Emeralds like the Hedgehogs. There could be a form that Knuckles can tap into using the Master Emerald that the Hedgehogs can't replicate, But he just doesn't know how to.
The Chaos Emeralds turn thought into power, but I think there is a requirement, intent is needed to gain the Super form. Sonic always wants to enact justice and preserve free will, and he has a mind unhindered by doubt. Shadow has a purpose for every action he takes and his motive is to fulfill Maria’s wish to preserve life and happiness. They want to take action on their own, not just “use” the Chaos Emeralds. That is probably why they can go Super so easily and retain a form. That probably also explains why Sonic becomes even faster and Shadow’s Chaos abilities become more powerful even with the inhibitor rings on.
While in the Meta Era Hyper Sonic not being canon was indeed the case, with the Sonic renaissance and new lore team this has been changed back to being canon. (Chaotix has also been reinstated) The Twitter Takeovers however, have been stated by both members of the lore team like Ian and Sonic Team to not be canon and are just the voice actors having fun.
@@SuperPlushTelevision Thats not really a strong argument because the same person that shared info, Ian, also gave the reason it was cut and it had nothing to do with continuity. Ian has also said Hyper is still canon. Heck Mania has a outright reference to it in Knuckles' story mode.
Ahhh so they AREN'T canon. Do you happen to know where I could find the statement for that? I'd like to include it in a future video to correct some of the information. I've heard of them reinstating Hyper, but their reasoning of not using it again being that the Super Emeralds are in another dimension doesn't make a ton of sense 😭They truly don't make this easy
@@TheSwordsman100 Do you have a source for that? The way I heard it Ian tried to push for Hyper and it was refused without any solid reasoning given other than that Sonic Team didn't want Hyper in it.
What if Sonic specifically has an affinity for the Chaos emeralds because he is inherently chaotic? In the sense of his free spirit and not wanting to be tied down. Shadow was literally built to channel their power, so it doesn't matter so much if he isn't a chaotic personality. Silver... I really don't know him all that well to speak to that. But yeah, I do wish they'd at least given the other characters palette swaps for their super forms, if not full on altered models/sprites.
5:23 but in the movies, the master emerald is essentially just a casing for the seven chaos emeralds. Sure it’s possible the master emerald has power of its own in the movies, after all it has to be very powerful to contain the seven emeralds, but it looks as if the master emerald is essentially just a convenient carrying case for the seven emeralds that allows you to focus their power more easily.
My theory was that during the classic era, every animal could go super, depending on which lore do you believe by the time is sonic adventure comes around it was reduced to only male hedgehogs, since they are now only seven chaos emerald In addition to the master emerald as the rest have disappeared mysteriously that explains why tails and knuckles had to have a bubble shield, while sonic goes super, since they no longer could transform into those forms. Well, I prefer the dimensional split theory because it makes the lore more complete. By the way, I’m more of an American sonic fan boy
I don't know. I think that feels kind of silly. I mean why would it be that during that time period everyone could go super but not after? I also don't like the timeline split, and I'm glad it got retconned again because it just broke the continuity.
And has no one ever thought that Tails and Knux's shields could simply be the appearance they gave to their super forms in Heroes and that's it? I mean, Super Sonic's spikes have changed quite a bit during his growth, going from being bristly spikes (classic era) to being Shadow's spikes (Adventures) to being the full SSJ with spikes pointing up after Heroes (and it wasn't just for the character growth, they redesigned the Classic Super Sonic to be more similar to the modern one) They simply decided to interpret the, brighter tone as an energy bubble for that game, after all, since Heroes we haven't seen the Modern Super Tails and Super Knuckles, let alone the Hypers and that's why they don't have a design with what the current lore is I don't understand the fact that Super Forms with a different design are exclusive to those experienced with emeralds, it does not make much sense to me, like, how Silver, a novice with emeralds and their powers, could become Super with his own design but Tails who has been using them for years and Knux who is directly their guardian could not?
Yeah ngl Knuckles really does muddy the waters. I suppose one way to look at it, would to be that the emeralds have a different effect depending on who uses them/who is exposed to them. As for the different looks, I look at it as different forms entirely hence my theory. With either enough exposure/training/knowledge of the emeralds power, every character has the potential to go super. In a way, it's also me hoping that we'll get an ACTUAL awesome looking super Tails/Knuckles in the future. They deserve more than just flashing
It is kinda sus how even since the 90s Sonic Team has refused to give any character besides Sonic a proper super form. I mean, why is it that Sonic is the only one who actually transforms when he collects all the emeralds from the other characters in Sonic The Fighters? In that game they all only get an invincibility effect, and now in Superstars they only get “Super powers” from the emeralds.
So Hyper Sonic is canon as seen in the origins cutscene the canon ending is Doomsday Zone. From what I know the Super Emeralds could only be used once and while not concrete on this last thing the is a claim out there Sonic Team as said they are in another dimension nobody can access after the events of Sonic 3 and Knuckles which is weird given the Super Emeralds are just powered up Chaos Emeralds but whatever. Regardless nobody can go hyper anymore. Tails and Knuckles super forms aren't canon even though it should be, the same extends out to the Mania characters and yes even Amy. The heroes thing is just shielding Sonic is doing like I said in the other videos. Also, many characters can go super using the emeralds as we seen in Sonic Adventure 2 and in the IDW comics, thus explaining the Sonic 06 thing. In Sonic Superstars Sonic is the only one who can go super, the others just get Super Powers. Also, the new character Trip while they technically achieve a Super Form, it's just a Dragon Form. So the Knuckles gliding thing as been stated in several descriptions and even in the design descriptions that it's his quills that let him glide, often found in older descriptions. This is why if people remember to add it in, you can see his quills spreading out to allow him to glide. The Knuckles remark given the continued decanonization of even his Super form is regarded as a if he could go Super. Knuckles can find the Master Emerald shards just by sense them at times and if I am correct mistook a Chaos Emerald for a shard(not sure about that last bit). So shouldn't he have far more connections to it than Sonic? Didn't Gerald come across the Master Emerald. While it is noteworthy Movie Eggman achieved a Super form, the emeralds do work differently between both continuities. The game ones require you to have rings just to go Super, yes that is not just a gameplay mechanic. Burning Blaze is technically a super form but to Sonic Team it doesn't count because well it's not call Super. Again there is that annoying only male hedgehogs can while ignoring important details. In the end as pointed out by many these weird restrictions is more than likely to distance themselves from DBZ.
"Tails and Knuckles super forms aren't canon even though it should be, the same extends out to the Mania characters and yes even Amy. The heroes thing is just shielding Sonic is doing like I said in the other videos." Yes and no, yes in the manner that the states have not been used story wise, no in the manner that doesn't mean in universe this wouldn't be the result. (I'll touch more on the latter down when it becomes more relevant) Kirby does something similar with it's lore using events that don't take place to explore deeper lore. "Also, the new character Trip while they technically achieve a Super Form, it's just a Dragon Form." No, its outright stated officially to be a super form. "The Knuckles remark given the continued decanonization of even his Super form is regarded as a if he could go Super." Quite the opposite, Ian's intention was to see if Knuckles could still go Super with the line, as it wasn't till Superstars that the form was treated differently and as a reference to his story which takes place after Sonic and Tails. (only Tails used to need the Master Emerald's help to qualify as Super) "Didn't Gerald come across the Master Emerald." Yes. Outright saw the shrine as well.
@@TheSwordsman100The idea of what could happen, hmmm I like where you're going with that. I recall that claim but haven't found the origin of it actually being a super form and not well just dragon form. If you can give a source for that to me that would be great!!! I am aware Knuckles story takes place after Sonic's. I am aware of the intentions but the whole Superstars thing made it moot. But.... Now that I'm thinking of it referring to Emeralds powers might not mean Super Powers Form but maybe just the special powers emeralds given on the Starfall Islands.
I'm pretty sure it was stated for a long while now that Hyper forms are actually canon, it's just that the Super Emeralds are in a different dimension making not possible to be used by Sonic currently.
I think Tails and Knuckles should get real Super Forms with real designs. They have a lot of inner strength and pure hearts. Tails couldn't do it with the regular Chaos Emeralds at first, in Sonic 2 or Sonic 3, but he was able to awaken it with the Super Emeralds and go Super regularly. Knuckles also is obviously Sonic's rival in power and potential.
The real explanation is that Sega and Sonic Team didn't think that much about Super Forms. They just wanted to give the player a reward for collecting all emeralds, and they were fans of Dragon Ball back in the day, and when Sonic 2 released Super Saiyan Goku was 1 year old, still a fresh concept. I don't think there's an ib universe explanation. They just think Super Sonic looks cool and that's it. Other characters will not have a Super Form unless it is relevant to the plot or character progression. Trip turns into a dragon because it is character defining moment of facing her bully.
Tbh, Shadow Generations made me want Super Forms to be limited to sonic just so that the other members of the cast can get their own original transformations, like the Doom Wing was for Shadow.
I think if I could change things, everyone would be able to go Super, but Super would manifest differently for everyone. The Emeralds turn thoughts into power. If the person utilizing them is different why wouldn't the power be different?
I believe the thing about the chaos emeralds is that their effects are chaotic. All the inconsistencies are because they work different for different things, different people and different situations. All the myriad of ways to use them comes from pulling on one of the infinite aspects of the emeralds. The Master emerald is the one that essentially emanates an aura of controlled chaos. Order itself, if you will.
Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Blaze, and Trip have super forms that canonically matter. Their appearances actually change. Tails, Knuckles, Mighty, Ray, and Amy have super forms for the sake of gameplay balancing. Their fur just glows on and off. Are these super form variants equally powerful? There isn't an answer, not that it'd matter anyway.
I mean the first group can fly in their super form, the other group can't. I think that right there shows that Tails, Knuckles, Mighty, Ray, and Amy have a lesser version of a super form. They get the invulnerability and a speed boost but not everything else.
@@dreqdreck7531 yea the Sonic 06 moment is part of why I want a Sonic Heroes remake so we can maybe get a reworking of the final fight so Tails and Knuckles can have their proper Super forms and not the Super Shields.
I think in order to go Super one must have enough emotional willpower to transfer their thoughts into power. You have to actually feel something in the moment to transform. That's why Eggman can never use the Chaos Emeralds to go Super, he's emotionless and only values a never-ending hunger for conquer and world domination.
It seems like hedgehogs are naturally more adept at channeling the full power of the chaos emeralds, while echidnas struggle a bit, but one trait echidnas do have wich hedgehogs don't is the ability to sense the emeralds' presence
Hyper / Super Emeralds are still canon ever since Frontiers came out, due to Ian Flynn confirming it, and Izuka (in an interview) also saying they do exist and are in another dimension.
Mania had some pretty good visual storytelling during the fight between Knuckles and the Heavy King where the Super Emeralds were darkened and had cracks on top of them. I like to think that meant that they were used by either Sonic or Knuckles (likely the latter given how the ‘Super Sonic only’ ending screen ties into Knuckles’ story) and they ended up in that state after they were used. Maybe one day they’ll come back. Who knows
That's dumb. Personally I don't think they should be canon at all especially with the Ancients being a thing, but even at that, the heck do you mean another dimension? Legit the one time they've been relevant they were literally just in the Hidden Palace what
@@brolytriplethreat Idk either but i just wanted to say they are still canon, even if they are just chilling in a different dimension somehow(?) after Sonic 3 and Knuckles.
Hedgehogs arent special when it comes to chaos energy or super forms but Mobians (or whatever SEGA wants to call them now) might be. Since there is very obviously a good bit of Dragon Ball "DNA" so to speak in the Sonic franchise it would make sense that one race (Saiyans in DBZ specifically and Mobians in Sonic) has their power shown via transformations. That would also kinda explain why SEGA initially wanted only male hedgehogs to have super forms supposedly but that could also just be because the hedgehogs are always the protagonists and center of the story. Keep in mind the design documents for Shadow and Silver specifically mention Vegeta and Trunks but I think SEGA kinda decided that the cats already outta the bag with Tails and Knuckles having already gotten super forms in the 2D games, so they probably walked back that "only male hedgehogs" stance internally but still are very hesitant to give non-protagonist characters super forms. They mentioned that the reason Hyper Sonic hasnt made an appearance is because they dont want the Dragon Ball problem of excessive super forms that retroactively make past superforms irrelevant. The idea of "why would Goku ever go SS1 again when SSB is stronger?" Why would Sonic ever go Super Sonic again if Hyper Sonic is just a direct upgrade?
Tails and Knuckles super forms are like ROBOTNIK’s super form in the movie. Not a legitimate “super” form, but just directly using the emeralds power. Sonic, Shadow, and Silver are the only ones who change colour because they’re the only ones completely utilizing the power of the emeralds
3:33 i heard about really simple explanation of how knuckles can glide: due to his spikes on the head being really long, they create some kind of air - dynamical thing, leting knuckles glide without any problems.
SEGA never said Hyper form wasn't canon, just that they don't use it anymore because of DBZ comparisons and power creep but when asked about the cracked Super Emeralds replicas Christian Whitehead said that they were created in their absence as the Super Emeralds drifted back into the special stage dimension and before Frontiers when Iizuka was asked where the Super Emeralds were he replied with "In another dimension".
@GerfdasGaming This statement likely refers to how even when the Emeralds first transformed we had to retrieve their power from the special stage dimension before they were usable. The power drifted back there and the Super Emeralds reverted to Base form.
i've always been under the impression that super forms (besides the ones for the main hedgehogs + Trip) aren't really canon, which i got kinda confirmed in superstars, since by collecting all the emeralds as Tails, Knuckles and Amy gives them the ability to use "super powers" rather than "super forms", so i think that just like the other emerald powers, gaining "super powers" can only be done with in the Northstar Islands.
I hope he looks at gems and items in the Sonic Universe like the World Rings, Sol Emeralds, Chaos Rings, Warp Topaz, Time Stones, Jeweled Scepter and the Sacred Swords
Remember when Sega said that only "male hedgehogs" Can go super? God i hate that. Yeah sure, let's strip ALL characters of potential forms , cuz y'know, we can't have super knuckles or freaking,super Big the cat or other characters help at least once, like they used to in heroes and 06, but nooo, no. Its only male hedgehogs, cuz the emeralds work ONLY for hedgehogs, its logical, right? Talk about trying not to rip off dragon ball too much by removing new forms yet we legit have *Saiyan*-esk explanation of why others don't go super no more, that they unique only to sonic and other hedgehogs. Nice work sega, I'm sure that lore master was worth it.
I don’t remember Sega themselves saying that specifically. Still though, why NOT have a super form for Amy, and all other female hedgehogs out there? (Besides the apathy irl)
Blaze still has hers and they gave one to Trip so that's not exactly true even if they said it before, they've clearly let off that idea. Just for whatever reason they're being sticklers to Knux Amy and Tails _specifically._ Maybe its an overreaction to their abundance of forms in the Archie comics.
@@cosmicspacething3474 I think a majority of the quotes like hyper sonic not being canon & only male hedgehogs being able to transform were answers from takashi izuka either in interviews or on twitter.
I think who can achieve a full super form is down to whether or not the user can use Chaos Control. There are very few beings that can naturally draw out the full power of the emeralds
What I want to know is why there's been little acknowledgement of the "Chaos" creature over time. Sonic Adventure decided that what made them the Chaos Emeralds is that parts of "Chaos" are sealed in them. Are they channeling the energy of the creature? Or are the devs hoping to build up to a retcon...
"I now know what the ultimate life form is sonic, it might be you!!" -Super shadow, SA2, 4 minutes into the final hazard fight I always interpreted this with the rest of the game as that hedgehogs are actually the most evolutioned creatures in mobius in terms of chaos manipulation This is the reason why other characters can get powered up by a chaos emerald but not by all of them, turning super, that would also explain why shadow as the ultimate life form is inspired on super sonic from the murals, they aren't the ultimate life form because of strenght or even speed, they control the chaos energy like no one can Blaze can do it because the sol emeralds maybe requiere a cat to do it, while the hedhegog that didn't has go super (amy) didn't even tried yet, she probably can but not with same power as the rest due to less practice
The only thing I don't like about this theory is that Sonic is not just any random guy anymore, he is the peak of his species and that kinda goes against his appeal as just some guy who loves adventures winning against all chances Still maybe he is the peak of his race not because of some prophecy or "the chose one" shennanigans, maybe he just follows his heart like no other hedgedhog
Depending on the question, TT stuff can be divided into two categories. 1) it’s the VAs having fun while staying in character, and 2) for questions that challenge the lore, the head writers probably come up with something that they give to the VAs to read.
That's what I'm thinking, like a half and half. I've seen so many comments saying that they aren't canon, but after digging I just can't find the statement
When it comes to the Chaos Emeralds and other similarly powerful gems, ever since Frontiers and The End. My theory has been this. The Emeralds are a by product of creation itself. They are the chaos, the madness, the energy, the leftover embers that created everything. Gems of incredible power and mystery, due to the fact that there was no one or anything around for the big bang that made them. They are travels of the universe, jumping from world to world, possibly being in the hands of countless other races possibly before the Ancients and before coming in contact with Earth.
It might be worth digging into the info made in the original Sonic 1 and 2 manuals and lore notes, as well as considering the idea of "animals as power source" with the Badniks. In general, the inhabitants of the big islands (South, west side, angel island, Northstar, etc) seem to have connection to a powerful energy that eggman would harness as fuel for his robots and factories. Both these animals and Emeralds were located in the same place. I believe it would make sense both the animal power and emeralds power are both "chaos" power, just animals have a lower amount of it, and this includes Sonic and co as well. Perhaps sonic has a bit more so he's more in tune with the Emeralds.
I feel like 06 is really explainable for in-game and outta-game explanation; Sonic, Silver and Shadow? Goku, Vegeta and Trunks. In game though, it's like their quotes against Solaris; Sonic wants to protect the here and now, Shadow will be boundless from the past, and Silver will fight for the future. As for why no one else gets Super? Probably like the whole 'Akira Toriyama doesn't know how to draw female Super Saiyans so that's why Pan from GT doesn't go Super Saiyan' where instead of that being the whole case (and exaggerated some), I think after S3&K, Tails and Knuckles didn't get Super Forms because the Sonic Team didn't know how to make them at the time and still be on schedule without sacrificing key components of games. Then afterwards, it was cuz they didn't want powercreep/be associated with Dragonball for everyone getting Super Forms or different forms. And now it might tie back around to them not being sure of the right time to give T&K their Super/Hyper forms again. But, like another comment said, this could turn to being everyone having their own unique forms or powerups (I can just IMAGINE, Amy having something akin to Kaioken as her own unique form). I digress, I still enjoy Sonic, do love the lore but also think it's fine if we have fun more than just constantly adhering to lore every step of the way.
Thanks for the shoutout! I wanted to say 'negative', but the word wasn't coming to mind. So, I simply went with 'dark'. I didn't think of the Master Emerald acting as a neutral alternative to the Chaos Emeralds. But it makes sense seeing as it's more powerful. At this point, I'm thinking super forms have gone dormant for anyone who isn't a male hedgehog. The other heroes may very well need to absorb energy directly from the Master Emerald (or bring back the Super Emeralds) to reawaken their super forms. This includes Amy, Knuckles, Tails, Mighty, Ray, and possibly even Trip.
Honestly i wish everyone had unique super forms. The whole idea of the Emeralds is they turn thoughts into power, so why would the "power" be the same for everyone?
Not sure if this has ANY support to it but it is a little strange that knuckles’ ancestors could predict the future and the yellow emerald in superstars has time powers. Maybe the super emeralds and the emeralds when on the North Star islands have similar effects.
I like how in the comic’s knuckles is made up of chaos energy and his people alway use chaos energy and made knuckles for the master emerald but in the game they don’t want to give him his hyper form💀
Perhaps every one can use use the powers of Chaos Emeralds or Master Emerald for go Super, but perhaps the form change for some individuals/species. Maybe Hedgehog are special for some reason, or perhaps SEGA just wanted only Male Hedgehogs can turn completely Golden. In those SEGA's Crossover Racing Games the Knuckles's Ultimate Move was summoned Mastered Emerald and get a unique and unnamed form, in which he does have a Energy Shield like his Heroes's Super State, but the Shield is green rather than Golden. In this form he can also perform something similar to Chaos Blast. Hopefully one day we can get a Origins's Story about Chaos Emeralds and the Master One. I wonder if Chaos Controll could be used by every one who turn Super or is something only Hedgehog can use?
I still wonder if the Wisps' Hyper Go-On Energy is actually stronger than the Chaos Emeralds. Unused dialogue in Colors downright say it is, but it's unused dialogue at the end of the day. Also, is it possible for Hyper Go-On Energy and Chaos Energy to be combined and grant someone a form even higher than Super or Hyper?
We've seen Sonic quite literally fuse with the different Wisps in a way, so I don't see why not! Though, after their overuse in recent years, I don't see something like that happening for a while, if at all
Yeah, I just finished Sonic Mania (and the Encore Mode), and it's clear that the characters outside of Sonic don't transform the way he does, simply getting surrounded by the Emeralds' power, just like in Heroes. But since time has passed between S3&K and Mania, they probably improved their connection with the Emeralds, allowing them to go Super just with the normal Emeralds. But I don't think getting a better connection to the Emeralds will ever allow them to transform the way Sonic does regardless. If that was the case, I'm pretty that at least Knuckles would already have a Super form, considering he spent so much time around them, to the point where he can feel their presence. So it must be a DNA thing that Hedgehogs and Sungazers (as well as the Black Arms) have but most other species don't, and it allows them to manipulate Chaos energy. What it is exactly and what other species have it is unknown though, so there's still more to discover about the subject.
I think that the glowing forms are just like "early" Super form and they're not the "real" Super form unlike Sonic, Shadow, Silver and Trip so basically Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Mighty and Ray got just a weaker/early or even an incomplete Super form and not the final/true Super form
Imo i think the only way someone can tap into an actual super form are those who can use chaos control Shadow, sonic and silver can all use chaos control can use chaos control there arent many characters who can do it. Some characters like the Black arms race possibly have a connection or have possibly used the chaos emeralds like knuckles and trips tribe. It simply only specific people can use a super form sonic is just special. Shadow has black arms dna. Is highly based around sonic and is meant to control chaos energy better than anyone Silver idk hes just special like sonic is ig Blaze is literally just the alternate dimension or a parallel universe version of sonic so that explains her
I feel like tails had to earn the power if the emeralds which is why super tails happened woth chaos emeralds after 3k with origins being a gameplay recon. I feel like sonic didn't really know what he was doing in heroes and got a better understanding of how to share his power in 06. Also knuckles says in a tailstube that it isn't his place to use the emeralds power so he could be choosing to only give himself a small power boost so he doesn't risk draining the emeralds
THis sounds interesting. hey, can you explain the whole invulnerability/can or can't harm of super forms that death battle debunkers are always mentioning in Mario vs sonic fights?
I think it's a lot like Dragon Ball than we think. The comparations is actually extremely overlooked by a lot of people. Like, Yaknow, Only Saiyans can go Super in DB. But everybody can get to the SSJ Power Level by training. Only Hedgehog can Go super, But everybody can use the Emeralds for a Power boost, the Hedgehogs simply get to use it in a way that leads more energy to their bodies.
That could very well be the case. I don't think it's necessarily overlooked, moreso that they haven't really explored that idea in the canon in terms of explaining it. It makes it all a bit confusing when they say ''Only male hedgehogs can go super'' but then they have Trip go super, they allow other characters to go super-but it looks different + the other transformations. Really hope they explain it all a bit better someday 😵
Actually, Tails implies during a Tailstube (dont remember which one) that Knuckles can properly turn super. When asked about it, Knuckles straight up says that its not his place to use the ME's power for himself. Its very likely Knuckles just chooses not to turn super for his own personal reasons
Considering his races history with the gems that would be entirely understandable. He probably WOULD have some personal hangups about using them directly after learning what he did in SA1
In sonic R the final map radiant emerald is inside a chaos emerald so I thought “could you trap someone in an emerald” they did it with chaos and the master emerald so I doubt it’s impossible
I think just about anyone can use the emeralds good intentions are no. Remember the old Echidna prayer? Chaos is power, power is enriched by the heart. The Controller is the one to unify the Chaos. In Sonic 06 it is stated that the emeralds can turn thoughts into power, this is how Silver first learns to use them. Anyone can use the power of the emeralds but some are just more adept at their control over them. I mean if Black Doom can use them then so can Eggman. On Black Doom, with the new lore of the emerald from Frontires... just HOW did he know of them and the power they posses? In the game Shadow the Hedgehog they kind of hint that they where the power source for the Black Comet. It's also from Doom's DNA that Shadow and even use Chaos Control. Sonic lore makes my head hurt.
In heroes. I think its because he just wanted to ensure his friends arent hurt and can keep up in the fight against metal. While they are working together. Really sonic is doing most of the work. So a shield of chaos energy that can keep up with sonic. Seems like a very easy way to keep things moving As for 06. You could argue the same thing can be applied for the other 2 hedgehogs. A shield would have been fine. However metal sonic and solaris are very different in strength. So you'd definitely need more super forms to actually do something against solaris. Hence why they all transformed Plus i'm pretty sure they just dont want to make the extra models. While they "Can" make super tails and knuckles. They'd also have to make some for all the other characters. So just stick to what still works i guess. And thats make super sayain hedgehogs Thats my theory for it
I don't consider them canon because they are completely superfluous and never touched again, not to mention the confusion of what the Super Emeralds even are, especially after Frontiers gave us an origin for the regular Emeralds. The Hidden Palace doesn't even show up again outside of Mania, it's real strange And again, they're kinda redundant and only existed because they made fourteen special stages.
As much as I have a personal distaste for what Heroes did to Tails and Knuckles in regards to "super" forms, I respect and appreciate your insistence on taking everything in the series into account. 3:47 Something feels off about this clip, was it AI-interpolated? I get a similar feeling with other usages of the Unleashed intro later in the video.
Ive always sort of had the headcanon the chaos emeralds came to be through some sort of alien technological breakthrough. It always felt so odd to me that Tails could make a fake chaos emerald and make it so close to the original it could still be used for chaos control.
I don't think I'm fully bought into that those aren't super forms. If the concept is that the Super Emeralds allow normal people to achieve their Super forms, well even Hyper Knuckles and the original Super Tails don't look any different, they just glow and get after images. It's not satisfying, but the conclusion is that most people just glow a bit in their super forms, and Sega really should reconsider letting other characters go Super again and redesigning their super forms.
Was it ever fully confirmed that the Super Emeralds/Hyper forms were non canon? from what I remember they were technically canon, but considered a "what if" that they would probably never again reference as they didn't want to start scaling things I've personally begun to consider the very boring possibility that proper Super Forms might just be a biological thing that Hedgehogs can do, and that the emeralds just supply enough chaos energy to do so, which would explain why Trip's is so different, it being a different biological phenomena But that would be so lame We're at least due a proper super Knuckles (Archie has it's baggage but it at least gave us that) Making it so only hedgehogs truly go super just feels like a mix of trying to make Sonic the only capable one ever, while also falling into DBZ's trap of making pretty much only the Saiyans relevant, having to layer a bunch of different transformations on top and sidelining a bunch of the cast That's probably why Hyper Sonic is no longer a thing, and why they're so wishy washy with giving other main characters real superforms I'd rather Sonic writing didn't become a typical Shonen battle manga
Well, these glowing super forms are just as strong as the super Sonic, Shadow, Sliver due to mania, Tails, Knuckles, Mighty and Ray can fight and defeat a charged eggman and phantom king by the phantom ruby after defeating the mech charged by the phantom ruby in their glowing super forms
3:40 wrong look at Takashi yuda knuckles artwork and hirokazu yasuhara sonic 3 gameplay design artworks Knuckles can glide cause his dreads can bent the wind decreasing his falling It's not a magical power
I'd think the Sol Emeralds would just be an alternate universe version of the Chaos Emeralds. Though, for more on them and the scepter, I'll have to touch up on my Rush lore knowledge a bit more as it's been a while 😅
I have and idea why some characters super forms and hyper forms are different. It boils down to the chaos energy that is unstable energy of both negative and positive energy tho reality is that the energy doesn't turn someone good or bad I think the separation is for the way you use it the energy with positive energy being control and negative energy being power now I believe sonic can access it with his will power but I prefer the fact he uses mostly negative energy to be able to transform and uses the rings as positive energy to make him access the true state of super form which logically makes sense to the games as it has been proven in multiple occasions that characters needed alot of rings to control their super form to last longer and the transformation that Knuckles and tails get when being given sonics power was likely them only able the access the power of the form not the form it self and games like 06 silver and shadow could access it because they had the rings and willpower of positive energy to ballance the negative energy. And hyper forms are just different because they are forms that accesses through the master emerald giving power to the chaos emerald which basically enhanced the emeralds to a higher level but also neutralized the unstable energy it had so that you easily access super form to it's true state.
I am absolutely sick to death of SEGA's stupid mandates and god-awful retconning of Emerald lore. Let *ANYONE* go Super, you gutless corporation. Want your franchise to be thriving better than it is currently? Loosen up on those damn useless mandates. We could've had Hyper Sonic return in Frontiers. *IN FRONTIERS.* Thanks for trying, Ian Flynn, you absolute madlad, but SEGA's continuing to be like Microsoft/Rare and just sit on their IPs and do nothing with them.
Why rely on Sonic Twitter takeover for explanations? Unless the VAs are going out of their way to study the Sonic lore just in case the characters are asked these questions, I highly doubt we should take these answers at their word. That’s just my opinion, though.
Like the theory about melodie from brawl stars being inspired by shadow and litterally being made duringvthe fearless year of shadow and her mastery title is litterally called fearless
Shadow can go full super because he is the Ultimate life form and his body is made out of Chase energy but why can sonic and silver go full super ??? yeah they are both just as powerful as shadow but they have no connections with the chaos emeralds.
If we take the theory in sonic 3 that the portrait depicts sonic then that’s a reason. Another reason is probably that sonic is mostly tuned with the chaos emeralds due to him being the most experienced with them. As for silver… Best guess sega forgor, or he simply can due to fighting the never ending war with iblis
In Heroes they are not in his "Super Forms", the belief that Tails and Knuckles are in their "Super Forms" in heroes only comes from a misinterpreted dialogue from Cream that is directed to the player and the code that categorizes them as "ST" and "SK", Ian Flynn himself has had to make this correction when asked questions about Sonic Heroes, calling these forms "Shield", they are not Super Knuckles or Super Tails, they are just "Shield Knuckles" and "Shield Tails" and it is something that Ian has tried to make *VERY CLEAR* every time someone asks about this Although I understand that the American fandom is confused, because it is an error introduced and not corrected by the disappointing, mediocre and disgusting Sonic Wikia which has had that error for more than 5 years and despite the complaints of misinformation the administrators refuse to correct it, holding on to the wrong points already mentioned. By the way, you make the mistake of taking the Twitter Takeover as canon, which no, they are not and they contradict several things in the games like Eggman using Chaos Control for the "first time" despite the fact that he had already done it in Sonic Advance 3 and other small details, even so the proposed theory is not entirely incorrect, just as a recommendation do not take these Takeover as canon because it is not a very reliable source.
Here’s the simplest explanation: Characters can go super when the plot needs them to. Edit: Essentially if a time ever comes where Sega just decides “Screw it. We’re gonna let Tails have a true super form” he’ll have a super form because that’s what the plot needs to happen.
Already I can tell you don't really keep up with the series. Sonic Channel already put out a series that shown Eggman emulating a Super Form with the last Phantom Ruby. Yes, it is canon.
Meh....its all gameplay... knux glide explaination is cool... the lack of super/hyper is not. Tails didnt get supe cuz its not his game. Knux didnt either. Til an employee decided to put it in cuz it feels right. Didnt have the resources to make a new set of sprites so the made em flashy and called it a day. Hedgehogs only is boring.
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You mentioned dialouge from a twitter takeover, and something else that happens in a twitter takeover is that eggman actually going super
@@Blufi755 I believe they mention something like him having an LCD over his mustache, so it's likely it was just a joke 😅
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How does Super Sonic 2 and Dark Spine Sonic fit into all this?.. Could Sonic have a burning form if he used the Sol Emeralds.
I thought it was explained that Knuckles glides with his dreads
His dreads don’t do all the work. He bends the wind and traps it under his dreads which creates the glide.
He did, but they retconed it.
@@Khaos_Labs When? And how does it work
@maxmatthews3443 it changed in the Sonic Superstars Twitter Takeover, and they don't explain how it specifically the wind bending works. I like to think it's the same way Tikal used the master emerald to lift Angle Island.
@@Khaos_LabsYou still say they're using their dread to bend the wing. Also I would count the Twitter takeover as completely canon
Shadow and Silver have a massive amount of energy independent of the emeralds so getting a fraction of the power would be enough for a form but for Tails it wouldn’t for knuckles that might be the case that either he’s ignorant of his own potential or he has a subconscious fear of the emerald because of Their history with his tribe
For knuckles it's probably both
3:39 headcanon moment, in the takeover it's a reference to concept art showing Knuckles using his dreadlocks to specifically to glide which are also kinda shown in the sprites for S3&K and gliding animation in SA1
There’s actually no positive or negative chaos energy, that was just a mistranslation in the English script for Adventure. It’s not the energy that’s positive or negative, it’s the user’s will and emotion that uses the energy for positive or negative things.
The likely requirements for Super forms are some physical prowess (and maybe exposure/experience with the emeralds) but most of all an exceedingly strong enough will and emotion. The Emeralds’ chant is “The servers are the seven chaos. Chaos is power. POWER IS ENRICHED BY THE HEART”, and are stated to grant “wishes” and “miracles.” It’s shown multiple times that they work off emotions: reviving and boosting the vegetation at the end of Sonic 1 from the will of Sonic and the animals; Sonic and the others’ positive emotions and will recharged the emeralds in Adventure; Elise and the others will and emotions brought Sonic back from the dead in 06; in a Sonic Channel cover story a bridge was collapsing and while Silver held it up Sonic looked for the fallen pieces including a keystone, when he had difficulty finding the keystone he saw a shine of a Chaos Emerald and the keystone happened to have fell right beside the emerald; etc.
The reason Sonic, Shadow and Silver can go super is because not only do they have great physical capabilities, but most of all they have strong confidence and wills extremely set on saving the world.
Trip likely went Super because she was so annoyed with Fang and Eggman mistreating her, her home, and the animals; so her large will set on protecting her island and its animals let her go Super. It would also explain why she didn’t go super in the final battle, because while she had the emotions and will to beat Fang in that moment, she may not have enough for that final giant battle.
Perfect Chaos was built on sort of opposite emotions. Chaos was full of rage and anger for the Knuckles clan killing the chao - which he thought all were dead - thus giving him a giant creepy form that caused massive destruction.
As for Mecha and Neo, it’s possible they don’t quite have the high enough will, but them being robots is kind of a cheat since the emeralds can easily be used as batteries in technology.
Also the hyper forms and any classic Super forms other than Sonic’s, Trip’s and Mecha’s aren’t canon. Hyper is repeatedly ignored or given an excuse not to reappear, and the characters themselves never mention it. And as Ian and Superstars states, the other’s forms are just gameplay mechanics, and they distinctly say “person got Super Powers” rather than “Sonic/Trip can go Super/Dragon form.”
I kinda have a hard time believing that knuckles isn‘t in-tune with the emeralds on a level rivaling sonic, he‘s THE literal guardian of the master emerald, he even punched them out of Sonic at the start of 3 and Knuckles
Yeah it's just sega wanting sonic to be the only main character.
Knuckles really does serve as the linchpin that makes explaining the theory, and figuring out how it'd work much more complicated. Forget the theory even- explaining the emeralds and super forms becomes more complicated when you toss him in the mix
Doesn’t mean he has chaos power control down.
@GerfdasGaming In the the Knuckles Tailstube Episode, Tails speculates that Knuckles may have access to a unique form through the power of the Master Emerald, he also says this in a way that makes it seem like Knuckles can't go Super or at the very least not go Super the same way sonic does.
Maybe Echidnas are more in-tune with the Master Emerald specifically,
Instead of the 7 Chaos Emeralds like the Hedgehogs.
There could be a form that Knuckles can tap into using the Master Emerald that the Hedgehogs can't replicate,
But he just doesn't know how to.
That’s easy,
7 shiny crystals = gold person
7 SUPER shiny crystals = rainbow person🙃
The Chaos Emeralds turn thought into power, but I think there is a requirement, intent is needed to gain the Super form. Sonic always wants to enact justice and preserve free will, and he has a mind unhindered by doubt. Shadow has a purpose for every action he takes and his motive is to fulfill Maria’s wish to preserve life and happiness. They want to take action on their own, not just “use” the Chaos Emeralds. That is probably why they can go Super so easily and retain a form. That probably also explains why Sonic becomes even faster and Shadow’s Chaos abilities become more powerful even with the inhibitor rings on.
While in the Meta Era Hyper Sonic not being canon was indeed the case, with the Sonic renaissance and new lore team this has been changed back to being canon. (Chaotix has also been reinstated) The Twitter Takeovers however, have been stated by both members of the lore team like Ian and Sonic Team to not be canon and are just the voice actors having fun.
On Hyper Sonic, he was scrapped from Frontiers, so I don't know about how true that is.
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Thats not really a strong argument because the same person that shared info, Ian, also gave the reason it was cut and it had nothing to do with continuity. Ian has also said Hyper is still canon. Heck Mania has a outright reference to it in Knuckles' story mode.
@@TheSwordsman100 Oh, didn't know that. I do think I'm wrong, but at the same time, you never know with these goobers lol
Ahhh so they AREN'T canon. Do you happen to know where I could find the statement for that? I'd like to include it in a future video to correct some of the information. I've heard of them reinstating Hyper, but their reasoning of not using it again being that the Super Emeralds are in another dimension doesn't make a ton of sense 😭They truly don't make this easy
@@TheSwordsman100 Do you have a source for that? The way I heard it Ian tried to push for Hyper and it was refused without any solid reasoning given other than that Sonic Team didn't want Hyper in it.
What if Sonic specifically has an affinity for the Chaos emeralds because he is inherently chaotic? In the sense of his free spirit and not wanting to be tied down.
Shadow was literally built to channel their power, so it doesn't matter so much if he isn't a chaotic personality.
Silver... I really don't know him all that well to speak to that.
But yeah, I do wish they'd at least given the other characters palette swaps for their super forms, if not full on altered models/sprites.
Silver has lived his entire life in chaos
5:23 but in the movies, the master emerald is essentially just a casing for the seven chaos emeralds. Sure it’s possible the master emerald has power of its own in the movies, after all it has to be very powerful to contain the seven emeralds, but it looks as if the master emerald is essentially just a convenient carrying case for the seven emeralds that allows you to focus their power more easily.
My theory was that during the classic era, every animal could go super, depending on which lore do you believe by the time is sonic adventure comes around it was reduced to only male hedgehogs, since they are now only seven chaos emerald In addition to the master emerald as the rest have disappeared mysteriously that explains why tails and knuckles had to have a bubble shield, while sonic goes super, since they no longer could transform into those forms. Well, I prefer the dimensional split theory because it makes the lore more complete. By the way, I’m more of an American sonic fan boy
I don't know. I think that feels kind of silly.
I mean why would it be that during that time period everyone could go super but not after?
I also don't like the timeline split, and I'm glad it got retconned again because it just broke the continuity.
And has no one ever thought that Tails and Knux's shields could simply be the appearance they gave to their super forms in Heroes and that's it? I mean, Super Sonic's spikes have changed quite a bit during his growth, going from being bristly spikes (classic era) to being Shadow's spikes (Adventures) to being the full SSJ with spikes pointing up after Heroes (and it wasn't just for the character growth, they redesigned the Classic Super Sonic to be more similar to the modern one) They simply decided to interpret the, brighter tone as an energy bubble for that game, after all, since Heroes we haven't seen the Modern Super Tails and Super Knuckles, let alone the Hypers and that's why they don't have a design with what the current lore is
I don't understand the fact that Super Forms with a different design are exclusive to those experienced with emeralds, it does not make much sense to me, like, how Silver, a novice with emeralds and their powers, could become Super with his own design but Tails who has been using them for years and Knux who is directly their guardian could not?
I guess Silver could be explained by having a pure heart like Sonic. I’m still lost on Knux though
Yeah ngl Knuckles really does muddy the waters. I suppose one way to look at it, would to be that the emeralds have a different effect depending on who uses them/who is exposed to them. As for the different looks, I look at it as different forms entirely hence my theory. With either enough exposure/training/knowledge of the emeralds power, every character has the potential to go super. In a way, it's also me hoping that we'll get an ACTUAL awesome looking super Tails/Knuckles in the future. They deserve more than just flashing
Nah, at the time, only male Hedgehogs were allowed to be super
It is kinda sus how even since the 90s Sonic Team has refused to give any character besides Sonic a proper super form. I mean, why is it that Sonic is the only one who actually transforms when he collects all the emeralds from the other characters in Sonic The Fighters? In that game they all only get an invincibility effect, and now in Superstars they only get “Super powers” from the emeralds.
Knuckles has his green chaos form from Archie. I consider that him using the master emerald’s power.
So Hyper Sonic is canon as seen in the origins cutscene the canon ending is Doomsday Zone.
From what I know the Super Emeralds could only be used once and while not concrete on this last thing the is a claim out there Sonic Team as said they are in another dimension nobody can access after the events of Sonic 3 and Knuckles which is weird given the Super Emeralds are just powered up Chaos Emeralds but whatever.
Regardless nobody can go hyper anymore.
Tails and Knuckles super forms aren't canon even though it should be, the same extends out to the Mania characters and yes even Amy.
The heroes thing is just shielding Sonic is doing like I said in the other videos.
Also, many characters can go super using the emeralds as we seen in Sonic Adventure 2 and in the IDW comics, thus explaining the Sonic 06 thing.
In Sonic Superstars Sonic is the only one who can go super, the others just get Super Powers.
Also, the new character Trip while they technically achieve a Super Form, it's just a Dragon Form.
So the Knuckles gliding thing as been stated in several descriptions and even in the design descriptions that it's his quills that let him glide, often found in older descriptions.
This is why if people remember to add it in, you can see his quills spreading out to allow him to glide.
The Knuckles remark given the continued decanonization of even his Super form is regarded as a if he could go Super.
Knuckles can find the Master Emerald shards just by sense them at times and if I am correct mistook a Chaos Emerald for a shard(not sure about that last bit).
So shouldn't he have far more connections to it than Sonic?
Didn't Gerald come across the Master Emerald.
While it is noteworthy Movie Eggman achieved a Super form, the emeralds do work differently between both continuities.
The game ones require you to have rings just to go Super, yes that is not just a gameplay mechanic.
Burning Blaze is technically a super form but to Sonic Team it doesn't count because well it's not call Super.
Again there is that annoying only male hedgehogs can while ignoring important details.
In the end as pointed out by many these weird restrictions is more than likely to distance themselves from DBZ.
"Tails and Knuckles super forms aren't canon even though it should be, the same extends out to the Mania characters and yes even Amy.
The heroes thing is just shielding Sonic is doing like I said in the other videos."
Yes and no, yes in the manner that the states have not been used story wise, no in the manner that doesn't mean in universe this wouldn't be the result. (I'll touch more on the latter down when it becomes more relevant) Kirby does something similar with it's lore using events that don't take place to explore deeper lore.
"Also, the new character Trip while they technically achieve a Super Form, it's just a Dragon Form."
No, its outright stated officially to be a super form.
"The Knuckles remark given the continued decanonization of even his Super form is regarded as a if he could go Super."
Quite the opposite, Ian's intention was to see if Knuckles could still go Super with the line, as it wasn't till Superstars that the form was treated differently and as a reference to his story which takes place after Sonic and Tails. (only Tails used to need the Master Emerald's help to qualify as Super)
"Didn't Gerald come across the Master Emerald."
Yes. Outright saw the shrine as well.
@@TheSwordsman100The idea of what could happen, hmmm I like where you're going with that.
I recall that claim but haven't found the origin of it actually being a super form and not well just dragon form.
If you can give a source for that to me that would be great!!!
I am aware Knuckles story takes place after Sonic's.
I am aware of the intentions but the whole Superstars thing made it moot.
But....
Now that I'm thinking of it referring to Emeralds powers might not mean Super Powers Form but maybe just the special powers emeralds given on the Starfall Islands.
Trip literally breaks the argument of “only male hedgehogs”
@@cosmicspacething3474 actual Mecha, Metal, and Chaos do.
Also, read my Trip remarks.
@@Eris1987 What’s the difference between a Dragon super and a Normal super?
I'm pretty sure it was stated for a long while now that Hyper forms are actually canon, it's just that the Super Emeralds are in a different dimension making not possible to be used by Sonic currently.
I think Tails and Knuckles should get real Super Forms with real designs. They have a lot of inner strength and pure hearts. Tails couldn't do it with the regular Chaos Emeralds at first, in Sonic 2 or Sonic 3, but he was able to awaken it with the Super Emeralds and go Super regularly. Knuckles also is obviously Sonic's rival in power and potential.
The real explanation is that Sega and Sonic Team didn't think that much about Super Forms. They just wanted to give the player a reward for collecting all emeralds, and they were fans of Dragon Ball back in the day, and when Sonic 2 released Super Saiyan Goku was 1 year old, still a fresh concept.
I don't think there's an ib universe explanation. They just think Super Sonic looks cool and that's it. Other characters will not have a Super Form unless it is relevant to the plot or character progression.
Trip turns into a dragon because it is character defining moment of facing her bully.
Knuckles not being able to go super while silver can will forever make me die inside
Tbh, Shadow Generations made me want Super Forms to be limited to sonic just so that the other members of the cast can get their own original transformations, like the Doom Wing was for Shadow.
Tho by this I feel like super forms should just exclusive to everyone else but the cast stil have their own forms
I think if I could change things, everyone would be able to go Super, but Super would manifest differently for everyone. The Emeralds turn thoughts into power. If the person utilizing them is different why wouldn't the power be different?
I believe the thing about the chaos emeralds is that their effects are chaotic. All the inconsistencies are because they work different for different things, different people and different situations. All the myriad of ways to use them comes from pulling on one of the infinite aspects of the emeralds. The Master emerald is the one that essentially emanates an aura of controlled chaos. Order itself, if you will.
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Tbqh i wouldn’t use twitter takeovers as a source of lore, even if they’re answering something semi seriously
Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Blaze, and Trip have super forms that canonically matter. Their appearances actually change.
Tails, Knuckles, Mighty, Ray, and Amy have super forms for the sake of gameplay balancing. Their fur just glows on and off.
Are these super form variants equally powerful? There isn't an answer, not that it'd matter anyway.
I mean the first group can fly in their super form, the other group can't. I think that right there shows that Tails, Knuckles, Mighty, Ray, and Amy have a lesser version of a super form. They get the invulnerability and a speed boost but not everything else.
@Ron_Junkman Well, Tails and Knuckles could fly in their modern redesigned super forms- the gold bubbles in Sonic Heroes.
@ but the super shields aren’t from them using the power of the emeralds, they are from Sonic sharing the power
@Ron_Junkman Which may not invalidate them. Sonic did the same thing to transform Shadow and Silver in 06.
@@dreqdreck7531 yea the Sonic 06 moment is part of why I want a Sonic Heroes remake so we can maybe get a reworking of the final fight so Tails and Knuckles can have their proper Super forms and not the Super Shields.
I think in order to go Super one must have enough emotional willpower to transfer their thoughts into power. You have to actually feel something in the moment to transform. That's why Eggman can never use the Chaos Emeralds to go Super, he's emotionless and only values a never-ending hunger for conquer and world domination.
You're onto something with this. Which is why at least in some sense, I believe the emeralds have to spiritual to some degree.
Quite fitting they're hard to explain. They are the *chaos* emeralds.
Worth mentioning, we do have an interview that mentions where the Super Emeralds are, meaning, Hyper Sonic and Hyper Knuckles are canon again.
True, though they mention them being in a different dimension, which doesn't make sense considering they're just the powered up Chaos Emeralds
@@GerfdasGaming You know the Namekian Dragon Balls? I figure it's like that.
I kinda wish more of the characters had super forms
It seems like hedgehogs are naturally more adept at channeling the full power of the chaos emeralds, while echidnas struggle a bit, but one trait echidnas do have wich hedgehogs don't is the ability to sense the emeralds' presence
But apparently Female Hedgehogs are left out because Amy doesn’t get a Super form
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And weirdly enough we still have Burning Blaze, so it's not japan being sexist.
Yeah that makes sense, and tails because he’s nothing special.
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Bro is literally as smart as eggman
The Emeralds power allows me to feel
Don't forget Knuckles has a form with the Master Emerald called the Echidna Shockwave. Seen in Sonic and SEGA Allstars Racing.
I believe he also has that form in Brotherhood right? Either way, I believe both games aren't considered canon
@@GerfdasGamingThey are canon, they are on the Sonic Channel and are treated as official media for the story.
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Hyper / Super Emeralds are still canon ever since Frontiers came out, due to Ian Flynn confirming it, and Izuka (in an interview) also saying they do exist and are in another dimension.
Mania had some pretty good visual storytelling during the fight between Knuckles and the Heavy King where the Super Emeralds were darkened and had cracks on top of them. I like to think that meant that they were used by either Sonic or Knuckles (likely the latter given how the ‘Super Sonic only’ ending screen ties into Knuckles’ story) and they ended up in that state after they were used.
Maybe one day they’ll come back. Who knows
That's dumb. Personally I don't think they should be canon at all especially with the Ancients being a thing, but even at that, the heck do you mean another dimension? Legit the one time they've been relevant they were literally just in the Hidden Palace what
@@brolytriplethreat Idk either but i just wanted to say they are still canon, even if they are just chilling in a different dimension somehow(?) after Sonic 3 and Knuckles.
@@brolytriplethreatThat’s your problem.
Hedgehogs arent special when it comes to chaos energy or super forms but Mobians (or whatever SEGA wants to call them now) might be. Since there is very obviously a good bit of Dragon Ball "DNA" so to speak in the Sonic franchise it would make sense that one race (Saiyans in DBZ specifically and Mobians in Sonic) has their power shown via transformations. That would also kinda explain why SEGA initially wanted only male hedgehogs to have super forms supposedly but that could also just be because the hedgehogs are always the protagonists and center of the story. Keep in mind the design documents for Shadow and Silver specifically mention Vegeta and Trunks but I think SEGA kinda decided that the cats already outta the bag with Tails and Knuckles having already gotten super forms in the 2D games, so they probably walked back that "only male hedgehogs" stance internally but still are very hesitant to give non-protagonist characters super forms. They mentioned that the reason Hyper Sonic hasnt made an appearance is because they dont want the Dragon Ball problem of excessive super forms that retroactively make past superforms irrelevant. The idea of "why would Goku ever go SS1 again when SSB is stronger?" Why would Sonic ever go Super Sonic again if Hyper Sonic is just a direct upgrade?
Tails and Knuckles super forms are like ROBOTNIK’s super form in the movie. Not a legitimate “super” form, but just directly using the emeralds power. Sonic, Shadow, and Silver are the only ones who change colour because they’re the only ones completely utilizing the power of the emeralds
3:33 i heard about really simple explanation of how knuckles can glide: due to his spikes on the head being really long, they create some kind of air - dynamical thing, leting knuckles glide without any problems.
SEGA never said Hyper form wasn't canon, just that they don't use it anymore because of DBZ comparisons and power creep but when asked about the cracked Super Emeralds replicas Christian Whitehead said that they were created in their absence as the Super Emeralds drifted back into the special stage dimension and before Frontiers when Iizuka was asked where the Super Emeralds were he replied with "In another dimension".
I'm pretty sure there's only one set of emeralds, as the Super Emeralds are just the Chaos Emeralds powered up essentially
@GerfdasGaming This statement likely refers to how even when the Emeralds first transformed we had to retrieve their power from the special stage dimension before they were usable. The power drifted back there and the Super Emeralds reverted to Base form.
i've always been under the impression that super forms (besides the ones for the main hedgehogs + Trip) aren't really canon, which i got kinda confirmed in superstars, since by collecting all the emeralds as Tails, Knuckles and Amy gives them the ability to use "super powers" rather than "super forms", so i think that just like the other emerald powers, gaining "super powers" can only be done with in the Northstar Islands.
I hope he looks at gems and items in the Sonic Universe like the World Rings, Sol Emeralds, Chaos Rings, Warp Topaz, Time Stones, Jeweled Scepter and the Sacred Swords
I think the reason why the only hedgehogs can go super is the ability to use chaos control
Remember when Sega said that only "male hedgehogs" Can go super? God i hate that. Yeah sure, let's strip ALL characters of potential forms , cuz y'know, we can't have super knuckles or freaking,super Big the cat or other characters help at least once, like they used to in heroes and 06, but nooo, no. Its only male hedgehogs, cuz the emeralds work ONLY for hedgehogs, its logical, right? Talk about trying not to rip off dragon ball too much by removing new forms yet we legit have *Saiyan*-esk explanation of why others don't go super no more, that they unique only to sonic and other hedgehogs. Nice work sega, I'm sure that lore master was worth it.
I don’t remember Sega themselves saying that specifically. Still though, why NOT have a super form for Amy, and all other female hedgehogs out there? (Besides the apathy irl)
Blaze still has hers and they gave one to Trip so that's not exactly true even if they said it before, they've clearly let off that idea. Just for whatever reason they're being sticklers to Knux Amy and Tails _specifically._ Maybe its an overreaction to their abundance of forms in the Archie comics.
@@cosmicspacething3474 I think a majority of the quotes like hyper sonic not being canon & only male hedgehogs being able to transform were answers from takashi izuka either in interviews or on twitter.
I think who can achieve a full super form is down to whether or not the user can use Chaos Control. There are very few beings that can naturally draw out the full power of the emeralds
I always thought hedgehogs could due to their spines acting as intenne to channel chaos energy
What I want to know is why there's been little acknowledgement of the "Chaos" creature over time. Sonic Adventure decided that what made them the Chaos Emeralds is that parts of "Chaos" are sealed in them. Are they channeling the energy of the creature? Or are the devs hoping to build up to a retcon...
"I now know what the ultimate life form is sonic, it might be you!!"
-Super shadow, SA2, 4 minutes into the final hazard fight
I always interpreted this with the rest of the game as that hedgehogs are actually the most evolutioned creatures in mobius in terms of chaos manipulation
This is the reason why other characters can get powered up by a chaos emerald but not by all of them, turning super, that would also explain why shadow as the ultimate life form is inspired on super sonic from the murals, they aren't the ultimate life form because of strenght or even speed, they control the chaos energy like no one can
Blaze can do it because the sol emeralds maybe requiere a cat to do it, while the hedhegog that didn't has go super (amy) didn't even tried yet, she probably can but not with same power as the rest due to less practice
The only thing I don't like about this theory is that Sonic is not just any random guy anymore, he is the peak of his species and that kinda goes against his appeal as just some guy who loves adventures winning against all chances
Still maybe he is the peak of his race not because of some prophecy or "the chose one" shennanigans, maybe he just follows his heart like no other hedgedhog
I hate this though. "Male Hedgehogs only" is dumb and I refuse to acknowledge it.
Depending on the question, TT stuff can be divided into two categories. 1) it’s the VAs having fun while staying in character, and 2) for questions that challenge the lore, the head writers probably come up with something that they give to the VAs to read.
That's what I'm thinking, like a half and half. I've seen so many comments saying that they aren't canon, but after digging I just can't find the statement
When it comes to the Chaos Emeralds and other similarly powerful gems, ever since Frontiers and The End. My theory has been this.
The Emeralds are a by product of creation itself. They are the chaos, the madness, the energy, the leftover embers that created everything. Gems of incredible power and mystery, due to the fact that there was no one or anything around for the big bang that made them. They are travels of the universe, jumping from world to world, possibly being in the hands of countless other races possibly before the Ancients and before coming in contact with Earth.
Sega sonic team making super forms so complex is so weird
Honestly I think what a super form should be should vary depending on who’s using the emeralds
You know really lean into turning thoughts into power
They are chaos emeralds. Meaning they are chaotic and untapped potential
It might be worth digging into the info made in the original Sonic 1 and 2 manuals and lore notes, as well as considering the idea of "animals as power source" with the Badniks. In general, the inhabitants of the big islands (South, west side, angel island, Northstar, etc) seem to have connection to a powerful energy that eggman would harness as fuel for his robots and factories. Both these animals and Emeralds were located in the same place. I believe it would make sense both the animal power and emeralds power are both "chaos" power, just animals have a lower amount of it, and this includes Sonic and co as well. Perhaps sonic has a bit more so he's more in tune with the Emeralds.
Actually.... it's a good damn explanation
I feel like 06 is really explainable for in-game and outta-game explanation; Sonic, Silver and Shadow? Goku, Vegeta and Trunks.
In game though, it's like their quotes against Solaris; Sonic wants to protect the here and now, Shadow will be boundless from the past, and Silver will fight for the future.
As for why no one else gets Super? Probably like the whole 'Akira Toriyama doesn't know how to draw female Super Saiyans so that's why Pan from GT doesn't go Super Saiyan' where instead of that being the whole case (and exaggerated some), I think after S3&K, Tails and Knuckles didn't get Super Forms because the Sonic Team didn't know how to make them at the time and still be on schedule without sacrificing key components of games. Then afterwards, it was cuz they didn't want powercreep/be associated with Dragonball for everyone getting Super Forms or different forms. And now it might tie back around to them not being sure of the right time to give T&K their Super/Hyper forms again.
But, like another comment said, this could turn to being everyone having their own unique forms or powerups (I can just IMAGINE, Amy having something akin to Kaioken as her own unique form). I digress, I still enjoy Sonic, do love the lore but also think it's fine if we have fun more than just constantly adhering to lore every step of the way.
Thanks for the shoutout! I wanted to say 'negative', but the word wasn't coming to mind. So, I simply went with 'dark'.
I didn't think of the Master Emerald acting as a neutral alternative to the Chaos Emeralds. But it makes sense seeing as it's more powerful.
At this point, I'm thinking super forms have gone dormant for anyone who isn't a male hedgehog. The other heroes may very well need to absorb energy directly from the Master Emerald (or bring back the Super Emeralds) to reawaken their super forms.
This includes Amy, Knuckles, Tails, Mighty, Ray, and possibly even Trip.
Why NOT female hedgehogs though?
Honestly i wish everyone had unique super forms. The whole idea of the Emeralds is they turn thoughts into power, so why would the "power" be the same for everyone?
Not sure if this has ANY support to it but it is a little strange that knuckles’ ancestors could predict the future and the yellow emerald in superstars has time powers. Maybe the super emeralds and the emeralds when on the North Star islands have similar effects.
A valiant effort, friend!
I like how in the comic’s knuckles is made up of chaos energy and his people alway use chaos energy and made knuckles for the master emerald but in the game they don’t want to give him his hyper form💀
Perhaps every one can use use the powers of Chaos Emeralds or Master Emerald for go Super, but perhaps the form change for some individuals/species. Maybe Hedgehog are special for some reason, or perhaps SEGA just wanted only Male Hedgehogs can turn completely Golden. In those SEGA's Crossover Racing Games the Knuckles's Ultimate Move was summoned Mastered Emerald and get a unique and unnamed form, in which he does have a Energy Shield like his Heroes's Super State, but the Shield is green rather than Golden. In this form he can also perform something similar to Chaos Blast. Hopefully one day we can get a Origins's Story about Chaos Emeralds and the Master One. I wonder if Chaos Controll could be used by every one who turn Super or is something only Hedgehog can use?
I still wonder if the Wisps' Hyper Go-On Energy is actually stronger than the Chaos Emeralds. Unused dialogue in Colors downright say it is, but it's unused dialogue at the end of the day.
Also, is it possible for Hyper Go-On Energy and Chaos Energy to be combined and grant someone a form even higher than Super or Hyper?
We've seen Sonic quite literally fuse with the different Wisps in a way, so I don't see why not! Though, after their overuse in recent years, I don't see something like that happening for a while, if at all
Yeah, I just finished Sonic Mania (and the Encore Mode), and it's clear that the characters outside of Sonic don't transform the way he does, simply getting surrounded by the Emeralds' power, just like in Heroes.
But since time has passed between S3&K and Mania, they probably improved their connection with the Emeralds, allowing them to go Super just with the normal Emeralds.
But I don't think getting a better connection to the Emeralds will ever allow them to transform the way Sonic does regardless.
If that was the case, I'm pretty that at least Knuckles would already have a Super form, considering he spent so much time around them, to the point where he can feel their presence.
So it must be a DNA thing that Hedgehogs and Sungazers (as well as the Black Arms) have but most other species don't, and it allows them to manipulate Chaos energy.
What it is exactly and what other species have it is unknown though, so there's still more to discover about the subject.
I think that the glowing forms are just like "early" Super form and they're not the "real" Super form unlike Sonic, Shadow, Silver and Trip so basically Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Mighty and Ray got just a weaker/early or even an incomplete Super form and not the final/true Super form
Imo i think the only way someone can tap into an actual super form are those who can use chaos control
Shadow, sonic and silver can all use chaos control can use chaos control there arent many characters who can do it.
Some characters like the Black arms race possibly have a connection or have possibly used the chaos emeralds like knuckles and trips tribe.
It simply only specific people can use a super form
sonic is just special.
Shadow has black arms dna. Is highly based around sonic and is meant to control chaos energy better than anyone
Silver idk hes just special like sonic is ig
Blaze is literally just the alternate dimension or a parallel universe version of sonic so that explains her
I feel like tails had to earn the power if the emeralds which is why super tails happened woth chaos emeralds after 3k with origins being a gameplay recon. I feel like sonic didn't really know what he was doing in heroes and got a better understanding of how to share his power in 06. Also knuckles says in a tailstube that it isn't his place to use the emeralds power so he could be choosing to only give himself a small power boost so he doesn't risk draining the emeralds
THis sounds interesting. hey, can you explain the whole invulnerability/can or can't harm of super forms that death battle debunkers are always mentioning in Mario vs sonic fights?
I plan on making a video on the Eggman VS Bowser death battle at some point. I'll keep this in mind to explain it in the video 👍
I think it's a lot like Dragon Ball than we think. The comparations is actually extremely overlooked by a lot of people.
Like, Yaknow, Only Saiyans can go Super in DB. But everybody can get to the SSJ Power Level by training.
Only Hedgehog can Go super, But everybody can use the Emeralds for a Power boost, the Hedgehogs simply get to use it in a way that leads more energy to their bodies.
That could very well be the case. I don't think it's necessarily overlooked, moreso that they haven't really explored that idea in the canon in terms of explaining it. It makes it all a bit confusing when they say ''Only male hedgehogs can go super'' but then they have Trip go super, they allow other characters to go super-but it looks different + the other transformations. Really hope they explain it all a bit better someday 😵
Actually, Tails implies during a Tailstube (dont remember which one) that Knuckles can properly turn super. When asked about it, Knuckles straight up says that its not his place to use the ME's power for himself. Its very likely Knuckles just chooses not to turn super for his own personal reasons
Interesting! This could explain why both his Super and Hyper forms look incredibly similar. Perhaps he's limiting himself on purpose
Considering his races history with the gems that would be entirely understandable. He probably WOULD have some personal hangups about using them directly after learning what he did in SA1
In sonic R the final map radiant emerald is inside a chaos emerald so I thought “could you trap someone in an emerald” they did it with chaos and the master emerald so I doubt it’s impossible
I think just about anyone can use the emeralds good intentions are no. Remember the old Echidna prayer? Chaos is power, power is enriched by the heart. The Controller is the one to unify the Chaos. In Sonic 06 it is stated that the emeralds can turn thoughts into power, this is how Silver first learns to use them. Anyone can use the power of the emeralds but some are just more adept at their control over them. I mean if Black Doom can use them then so can Eggman.
On Black Doom, with the new lore of the emerald from Frontires... just HOW did he know of them and the power they posses? In the game Shadow the Hedgehog they kind of hint that they where the power source for the Black Comet. It's also from Doom's DNA that Shadow and even use Chaos Control. Sonic lore makes my head hurt.
In heroes. I think its because he just wanted to ensure his friends arent hurt and can keep up in the fight against metal. While they are working together. Really sonic is doing most of the work. So a shield of chaos energy that can keep up with sonic. Seems like a very easy way to keep things moving
As for 06. You could argue the same thing can be applied for the other 2 hedgehogs. A shield would have been fine. However metal sonic and solaris are very different in strength. So you'd definitely need more super forms to actually do something against solaris. Hence why they all transformed
Plus i'm pretty sure they just dont want to make the extra models. While they "Can" make super tails and knuckles. They'd also have to make some for all the other characters. So just stick to what still works i guess. And thats make super sayain hedgehogs
Thats my theory for it
Saying that hyper forms are not canon even though they are in a mainline canon game is like saying superstar/starman is not canon to Super Mario Bros
I don't consider them canon because they are completely superfluous and never touched again, not to mention the confusion of what the Super Emeralds even are, especially after Frontiers gave us an origin for the regular Emeralds. The Hidden Palace doesn't even show up again outside of Mania, it's real strange
And again, they're kinda redundant and only existed because they made fourteen special stages.
@@brolytriplethreatThat’s like saying Darkspine isn’t canon.
As much as I have a personal distaste for what Heroes did to Tails and Knuckles in regards to "super" forms, I respect and appreciate your insistence on taking everything in the series into account.
3:47 Something feels off about this clip, was it AI-interpolated? I get a similar feeling with other usages of the Unleashed intro later in the video.
How come we never got a Super Amy
We need our SSJ Amy with a giant Piko Piko hammer
Ive always sort of had the headcanon the chaos emeralds came to be through some sort of alien technological breakthrough.
It always felt so odd to me that Tails could make a fake chaos emerald and make it so close to the original it could still be used for chaos control.
Definitely either alien technology, or some cosmic gods we haven't seen yet
Given what we learn about them in frontiers you might not be far off..
I like the idea of a Cosmic God. Immagine if it would look like a Hedgehog as well.
I don't think I'm fully bought into that those aren't super forms. If the concept is that the Super Emeralds allow normal people to achieve their Super forms, well even Hyper Knuckles and the original Super Tails don't look any different, they just glow and get after images.
It's not satisfying, but the conclusion is that most people just glow a bit in their super forms, and Sega really should reconsider letting other characters go Super again and redesigning their super forms.
I really hope they explain this all a bit better someday. Or at the very least, give them better super forms rather than just flashing
Was it ever fully confirmed that the Super Emeralds/Hyper forms were non canon? from what I remember they were technically canon, but considered a "what if" that they would probably never again reference as they didn't want to start scaling things
I've personally begun to consider the very boring possibility that proper Super Forms might just be a biological thing that Hedgehogs can do, and that the emeralds just supply enough chaos energy to do so, which would explain why Trip's is so different, it being a different biological phenomena
But that would be so lame
We're at least due a proper super Knuckles (Archie has it's baggage but it at least gave us that)
Making it so only hedgehogs truly go super just feels like a mix of trying to make Sonic the only capable one ever, while also falling into DBZ's trap of making pretty much only the Saiyans relevant, having to layer a bunch of different transformations on top and sidelining a bunch of the cast
That's probably why Hyper Sonic is no longer a thing, and why they're so wishy washy with giving other main characters real superforms
I'd rather Sonic writing didn't become a typical Shonen battle manga
I wouldn't use Twitter Takeovers they are for comedic purposes rather than a serious reasons
Well, these glowing super forms are just as strong as the super Sonic, Shadow, Sliver due to mania, Tails, Knuckles, Mighty and Ray can fight and defeat a charged eggman and phantom king by the phantom ruby after defeating the mech charged by the phantom ruby in their glowing super forms
knuckles is an airbender
Oh Wow😮😮
Super emeralds being non canon doesn’t break any lore they were kinda random any way tbh
3:40 wrong look at Takashi yuda knuckles artwork and hirokazu yasuhara sonic 3 gameplay design artworks
Knuckles can glide cause his dreads can bent the wind decreasing his falling
It's not a magical power
Are the Chaos Emeralds related to the Sol Emeralds and the Jeweled Scepter?
I'd think the Sol Emeralds would just be an alternate universe version of the Chaos Emeralds. Though, for more on them and the scepter, I'll have to touch up on my Rush lore knowledge a bit more as it's been a while 😅
@GerfdasGaming oh ok
I have and idea why some characters super forms and hyper forms are different. It boils down to the chaos energy that is unstable energy of both negative and positive energy tho reality is that the energy doesn't turn someone good or bad I think the separation is for the way you use it the energy with positive energy being control and negative energy being power now I believe sonic can access it with his will power but I prefer the fact he uses mostly negative energy to be able to transform and uses the rings as positive energy to make him access the true state of super form which logically makes sense to the games as it has been proven in multiple occasions that characters needed alot of rings to control their super form to last longer and the transformation that Knuckles and tails get when being given sonics power was likely them only able the access the power of the form not the form it self and games like 06 silver and shadow could access it because they had the rings and willpower of positive energy to ballance the negative energy. And hyper forms are just different because they are forms that accesses through the master emerald giving power to the chaos emerald which basically enhanced the emeralds to a higher level but also neutralized the unstable energy it had so that you easily access super form to it's true state.
7.9k in less than a day, and I can’t even reach 1,000 in a whole year sometimes.
I am absolutely sick to death of SEGA's stupid mandates and god-awful retconning of Emerald lore.
Let *ANYONE* go Super, you gutless corporation. Want your franchise to be thriving better than it is currently? Loosen up on those damn useless mandates.
We could've had Hyper Sonic return in Frontiers.
*IN FRONTIERS.*
Thanks for trying, Ian Flynn, you absolute madlad, but SEGA's continuing to be like Microsoft/Rare and just sit on their IPs and do nothing with them.
The Twitter Takeovers aren’t canon
Why rely on Sonic Twitter takeover for explanations? Unless the VAs are going out of their way to study the Sonic lore just in case the characters are asked these questions, I highly doubt we should take these answers at their word. That’s just my opinion, though.
Nah....orbs of super energy is wack. Simple
Your theory doesn’t hold up
Like the theory about melodie from brawl stars being inspired by shadow and litterally being made duringvthe fearless year of shadow and her mastery title is litterally called fearless
W vid
Shadow can go full super because he is the Ultimate life form and his body is made out of Chase energy but why can sonic and silver go full super ???
yeah they are both just as powerful as shadow but they have no connections with the chaos emeralds.
If we take the theory in sonic 3 that the portrait depicts sonic then that’s a reason. Another reason is probably that sonic is mostly tuned with the chaos emeralds due to him being the most experienced with them. As for silver… Best guess sega forgor, or he simply can due to fighting the never ending war with iblis
Why are we treating this like a legitimate mystery when it's just bad game design and worse worldbuilding
In Heroes they are not in his "Super Forms", the belief that Tails and Knuckles are in their "Super Forms" in heroes only comes from a misinterpreted dialogue from Cream that is directed to the player and the code that categorizes them as "ST" and "SK", Ian Flynn himself has had to make this correction when asked questions about Sonic Heroes, calling these forms "Shield", they are not Super Knuckles or Super Tails, they are just "Shield Knuckles" and "Shield Tails" and it is something that Ian has tried to make *VERY CLEAR* every time someone asks about this
Although I understand that the American fandom is confused, because it is an error introduced and not corrected by the disappointing, mediocre and disgusting Sonic Wikia which has had that error for more than 5 years and despite the complaints of misinformation the administrators refuse to correct it, holding on to the wrong points already mentioned.
By the way, you make the mistake of taking the Twitter Takeover as canon, which no, they are not and they contradict several things in the games like Eggman using Chaos Control for the "first time" despite the fact that he had already done it in Sonic Advance 3 and other small details, even so the proposed theory is not entirely incorrect, just as a recommendation do not take these Takeover as canon because it is not a very reliable source.
Thanks for the clarification! I'm working on a follow-up video to this that fixes some of the discrepancies along with some new research findings👍
@ Nah is nothing, piola, keep the work man.
Here’s the simplest explanation:
Characters can go super when the plot needs them to.
Edit: Essentially if a time ever comes where Sega just decides “Screw it. We’re gonna let Tails have a true super form” he’ll have a super form because that’s what the plot needs to happen.
Already I can tell you don't really keep up with the series. Sonic Channel already put out a series that shown Eggman emulating a Super Form with the last Phantom Ruby. Yes, it is canon.
Meh....its all gameplay... knux glide explaination is cool... the lack of super/hyper is not.
Tails didnt get supe cuz its not his game. Knux didnt either. Til an employee decided to put it in cuz it feels right. Didnt have the resources to make a new set of sprites so the made em flashy and called it a day.
Hedgehogs only is boring.
Especially Male Hedgehogs. They really did Amy dirty