What a great conversation. I love how Cheatham responded so physically to what John said. You could really see his embodied enthusiasm and excitement. Kind of reminds me of bit of Jordan Hall. I love that point about knowledge being found in interpersonal dialogue, really validates so much of what's going on in this corner of the internet.
What a great pleasure it was to organize and participate in this dialogue! Very much looking forward to any future explorations. Tom's podcast is called As Variously As Possible for those who would like to follow up this conversation by looking more into his work. I would also seriously recommend any of his books - he's as fun to read as he is to listen to!
Part of this conversation reminded me of The Little Prince. By means of a story the author makes you care deeply about a flower and a sheep on a distant asteroid. There is something about this story that triggers some kind of participatory and perspectival knowing. It just goes along so well with the story about the Mars rover.
Hey John, fantastic content. One important factor for these formats is audio quality. It seems like a great thing for you to invest in. I happen to be an audio engineer working daily with voices in Berlin, Germany. For less than $150 you could pick up a Rode NT-USB which requires no further knowledge or equipment, a true all in one solution that delivers 85% or what an SM7B would deliver. Lavalier microphones are useful for lecture formats. Rode also makes a prosumer one that would be just great. I hope this serves as a welcome nudge to raise the ineligibility of your videos and lectures.
I get that this was produced casually but you might consider EQing the volume balance between the voices on these conversations. Cheetham's really loud & it's challenging for me to listen to. Thanks for the conversation, however, it's really cool & I'm grateful for your sharing.
reshape thought by doing lots of moving practice! it is embodied imagination, not only enacted. The purposeless purpose of moving can be wonderfully transformative. Though I have deep respect for ancient body-mind movement systems. I see the middle ground which Tom picked up on between daily activities like gardening, building etc, where movement is inherent, and the more intellectual work is the degree of attention and intention we give to our moving experience. This sought of presence can't be willed into action, but artmaking, poetry, music etc. as a mode of creative reflection can deepen the process of self-understanding in relationship to the world.
Great chat and look forward to seeing Tom and JV chat some more. The audio needs some work for future reference. Tom came across clear but both John and Jared were at times really difficult to hear
When I commented under your video on Corbin, I almost put: "Just stick with Corbin and you'll be on track..." but I didn't. So this is what I hoped would happen. We all have so much to find interesting, IT is going to need prioritizing. YES! Falling in love with Being again. First, we do. Then, it spreads. IT is not a thing, it is a Happening, an Experience, unlike anything you can imagine. "It cannot be described but when it arrives it cannot be mistaken for anything else. It won't come until you can handle it, but it will come. When it does, everything will be different. When it arrives, you'll know it. When it arrives, you'll know that everything else was just a part of the veil." Anon What was the book you mentioned Beyond God?
How influenced was Corbin by Sufi mysticism? Mysticism or/& magic as the foundation of intellect? From what I understand, HC was deeply influenced by Sufism. Are we talking incubation?
Love your work John, good conversation here. Can you please consider getting uniformity with the auido levels, your much softer in this and by contrasting the guest is very loud hard to listen too. Thanks
I’m just noticing that Callard’s paradox of TE mirrors an old point I’ve often tried to make about “self-discipline”: how is it not just the tyranny of a past self over present and future selves? What did that guy know? I (the ‘I of now’) should know better than him, if I’ve learned anything since being him, right?
Mary Kochan But I also now see how perhaps it’s more constructive to frame it aspirationally, so that you are leaning on “discipline” not for the present you (who may hate it) but as a favour to the future you who will look back and thank the previous you who did it. ‘I’m a(n ever so slightly) better person today because yesterday’s me got some exercise; I guess today’s me should pass on the favour’ type of thing. In this case, it’s less a leap of faith because it worked before and accrues.
Sorry about the audio not being better balanced. I will take more care next time to try and better balance the audio.
What a great conversation. I love how Cheatham responded so physically to what John said. You could really see his embodied enthusiasm and excitement. Kind of reminds me of bit of Jordan Hall. I love that point about knowledge being found in interpersonal dialogue, really validates so much of what's going on in this corner of the internet.
Yes Tom’s enthusiasm was amazing!
What a great pleasure it was to organize and participate in this dialogue! Very much looking forward to any future explorations.
Tom's podcast is called As Variously As Possible for those who would like to follow up this conversation by looking more into his work. I would also seriously recommend any of his books - he's as fun to read as he is to listen to!
Part of this conversation reminded me of The Little Prince. By means of a story the author makes you care deeply about a flower and a sheep on a distant asteroid. There is something about this story that triggers some kind of participatory and perspectival knowing. It just goes along so well with the story about the Mars rover.
Thanks for making the discussion available, I enjoyed it.
Thanks Jared, Tom and John.
Thanks Lee.
John deserves a Nobel prize, seriously
Hey John,
fantastic content. One important factor for these formats is audio quality. It seems like a great thing for you to invest in. I happen to be an audio engineer working daily with voices in Berlin, Germany. For less than $150 you could pick up a Rode NT-USB which requires no further knowledge or equipment, a true all in one solution that delivers 85% or what an SM7B would deliver.
Lavalier microphones are useful for lecture formats. Rode also makes a prosumer one that would be just great.
I hope this serves as a welcome nudge to raise the ineligibility of your videos and lectures.
Im glad to hear that you are putting the series into book form. thank you.
Thanx for sharing.
Yo Jared! Very cool and odd to see you pop up in this! I’ve been listening to Vervake a lot recently!
Whoa! What a synchronous encounter! Great to hear from you man - hope all is well. :)
Haha this Cheetham fellow is awesome. Seems like a little kid being delighted to discover new things.
I get that this was produced casually but you might consider EQing the volume balance between the voices on these conversations. Cheetham's really loud & it's challenging for me to listen to.
Thanks for the conversation, however, it's really cool & I'm grateful for your sharing.
reshape thought by doing lots of moving practice! it is embodied imagination, not only enacted. The purposeless purpose of moving can be wonderfully transformative. Though I have deep respect for ancient body-mind movement systems. I see the middle ground which Tom picked up on between daily activities like gardening, building etc, where movement is inherent, and the more intellectual work is the degree of attention and intention we give to our moving experience. This sought of presence can't be willed into action, but artmaking, poetry, music etc. as a mode of creative reflection can deepen the process of self-understanding in relationship to the world.
“Science depends on judgments of plausibility”
Great chat and look forward to seeing Tom and JV chat some more. The audio needs some work for future reference. Tom came across clear but both John and Jared were at times really difficult to hear
I think the Angels find God completely fascinating.😅
When I commented under your video on Corbin, I almost put: "Just stick with Corbin and you'll be on track..." but I didn't. So this is what I hoped would happen. We all have so much to find interesting, IT is going to need prioritizing. YES! Falling in love with Being again. First, we do. Then, it spreads. IT is not a thing, it is a Happening, an Experience, unlike anything you can imagine. "It cannot be described but when it arrives it cannot be mistaken for anything else. It won't come until you can handle it, but it will come. When it does, everything will be different. When it arrives, you'll know it. When it arrives, you'll know that everything else was just a part of the veil." Anon What was the book you mentioned Beyond God?
Religion and Nothingness en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiji_Nishitani
How influenced was Corbin by Sufi mysticism? Mysticism or/& magic as the foundation of intellect? From what I understand, HC was deeply influenced by Sufism. Are we talking incubation?
Love your work John, good conversation here. Can you please consider getting uniformity with the auido levels, your much softer in this and by contrasting the guest is very loud hard to listen too. Thanks
I’m just noticing that Callard’s paradox of TE mirrors an old point I’ve often tried to make about “self-discipline”: how is it not just the tyranny of a past self over present and future selves? What did that guy know? I (the ‘I of now’) should know better than him, if I’ve learned anything since being him, right?
Flipped that one right on its head, didn't you?😅
Mary Kochan But I also now see how perhaps it’s more constructive to frame it aspirationally, so that you are leaning on “discipline” not for the present you (who may hate it) but as a favour to the future you who will look back and thank the previous you who did it. ‘I’m a(n ever so slightly) better person today because yesterday’s me got some exercise; I guess today’s me should pass on the favour’ type of thing. In this case, it’s less a leap of faith because it worked before and accrues.
Sound levels for this video could be better - Tom's mic is really loud