I may have experienced one of the first ever BCS "game mechanics" moments today. I had a ceramic queued up to hit face with 35 health, and two growth gas bloons behind it. The opposing quincy used flurry of arrows, which should have killed the ceramic, but the growth bloons activated first and added 40 health, so the ceram survived with 25 health left. Turns out moves that hit all bloons apparently go back to front.
@@catgameplayer Gwen has better hero specific ability cards but her bloont. Abilities are very bad unless you’re far into a game. I don’t think she’s that much worse than Quincy right now but we’ll see once an actual meta forms
@@XFiryX the issue is aggressive decks seem to be the strongest build in the game currently and Gwen is just straight up worse in those decks because Quincy's cheaper costs allow you to spam his abilities every single turn which helps defend while you focus on rushing while Gwen is a lot better for late game which aggressive decks just never get to due to their kill or be killed play style
@@k1llsh0t_87 When NK deals with the current aggro meta, i feel like Gwen will be soooo much better. She has 0 problems dealing with mid game moab rushes
@@tame1773its a recurring theme to their pvp games that more aggro/risk equal more reward, maybe they could make sendinf bloons have cooldown or having cash per pop? Idk how they would nerf aggro decks without getting rid of that theme
It's crazy how Gwen with all her control powers (burn application and damage increase to monkey) is WORSE at control than Quincy. Gwen is all in all weak (imho). Like make her first skill do 50 dmg if targeted bloon is already on fire, or soemthing
When people get more cards and figure out how she works, it'll become more common. Gwen is better at control than Quincy, most people just don't have the cards to play around with generating the bloontonium necessary to use her actives effectively. Very few cards you get for free work well. Some cards to consider trying out with her would be the swarm bloons (more bloontonium per card), monkeys that shoot more than once (to double dip the 10 passive), reload cards (to triple dip into the 10 passive), 5/10 cost cards for efficient bloontonium pushes late game, and obviously gold generation/jungle druids. Making her 5 active do damage to already burning might push her over the edge, but reducing the costs down to 4/8/16 or 4/8/18 could make sense, as it'd bring her more in line with Obyn and Amelia, who are intentionally overtuned at the moment to get people to buy them.
Quincy is just super stronk. L3 is cheap and spammable, L6 even chips off pink bloons for completely free, and L9 is so cheap you can sometimes use it multiple times a turn. Gwen is very strong too - her L10 really adds up - but her L20 has a lot of T&Cs on how it can work, and her L5 is a lot more situational as there are not very many good 2-turn bloons at which it would excel at (normally you get hit by 1-turn blues, green, yellows, etc, for which Quincy L3 is strictly superior)
@@ep69420Yeah, you have a point there... It's a tiny bit silly of me to judge the character, while having only common and rare units. BUT! I still believe that her abilities and cards need some tweaks. Gwen has a 1 coin cost card that sets a bloon on fire or does 50 damage if bloon already IS on fire. It's such a weak trick, i think: 1) you need a certain (not easy to pull of) condition for it to work - applying burn. Yeah, 30 burn in itself is not _bad,_ but it's not worth a whole card slot in your deck, since it's Gwen's first skill. 2) 50 damage for 1 coin? Really? Quincy does 150 to two bloons, 300 in total for 2 only coins. And he doesn't need them to habe burn or be weakened or something like that. It's just a weak card. 3) 1 use doesn't help the case either. If it was 2 times use card, THEN it may be better, but not good enough to be worth running anyway. A card called "bloontonium storage" or something (that gives you 5 btm) exists, and it doesn't cost a dime, while not only being good to activate first skill, but add necessary btm for passive or 3rd skill activation. (Just make this card her 1st ability! It's not that OP of a change!) Like... even if Gwen has much more use then we see right now (and she probably does), she still ain't good enough.
Fry one type of deck I’m really invested in is the jungles bounty Druid ( with obyn) and I would love to see you try it out, I picked obyn because you can hide behind big shields while you are regenerating you lost health and with bedtime you can counter other Druid decks, but it is definitely the most broken deck imo. If you want I can reply my exact deck contents
What if Jungle's Bounty was like "Heal 40 for each Gold gained, except from round start"? You'd have to add a lot of synergy to justify the card in that scenario
If you were to change the logo of your channel then a fry them up version of the burny stuff mortar monkey or ceramic bloon should be put into place. This game gives me fond memories of pvz heroes but it's supported and the devs actually acknowledge the Anyways your video is good and control is certainly my favorite.
I've personally been loving playing with super monkey fan club myself. It's strong, it's cheap to craft, and it's fun to play. Could you try it out in a future video?
One think i noticed when some games end i got no xp which is annoying cuz leveling up u or ur hero gives tokens and monkey money it seems do that when games ends early
Apprentice has been quite good in my experience, but Spike-a-pult just feels bad and awkward to use. You often have to do very low value attacks to buff it up just for a mildly better sniper.
Fry is it a good idea to remove 1 boomerang monkey and 1 triple shot dart monkey to add 2 Druid of the jungle monkeys. Also could I get rid of 1 tack shooter to add and extra sniper monkey
I think the main reason why, at least for the first deck shown(haven't watched the full thing yet and I'm a bit unfamiliar with BCS) is because he's running 2 rainbow bloons and 1 BFB, these themselves are 3 expensive cards, so Super Monkey(assuming it costs around the same) could lead to an opening hand with 4 6+ costs for at least one turn, usually referred to as "bricking". And losing that turn, along with "tempo"/control of the situation, can be devastating. So in other words. Yeah, it is too expensive for the deck, but it could be good for another version of this deck with less bloons and more monkeys. Assuming SM is good anyways.
If your into card games, I definitely recommend this game, but fair warning, the progression card storm is ALOT slower than btd6, being very p2w shortcut convenience since it is a free game the progression isn’t as slow as other card games at least from what I hear, as you can consistently get 4-5 cards a day using the monkey money shop
@@scarybtwix5620 the second ability can be used to control opponent's offence, but the passive only helps for her own offence, not for slowing down opponents. that makes it aggro rather than control.
Fry I think you should try out the growth gas bloon, now you may be thinking what good is a 200 health card that buffs every other bloon's health by 20? Well fry, you can self harm bloons with quincy and gwen's first bloontonium ability (deal 30 damage/set on fire to a bloon). Now the idea is running as many spammable bloon cards and having growth gas bloon + bloontonium caches for basically triggering the growth bloon a bunch. Alright peace
@FryEmUp Growth gas bloon might be a little problematic to craft, but once you get it from either the shop or just crafting you can probably then try to go for the caches.
I know druid of the jungle isn't a common but its so clearly if not bugged very much unintended 100 hp a turn per druid without getting anything else is stupid it makes it so even if you don't have shield gen which makes it worse you can only die to 500hp+ attacks even if its not a common it's mandatory 3 of in all control decks they need to be at least 7gold to play or you get more hp but it's only per time you get gold so it only procs 1 time from the start of turn.
@@sanderhankel9098the card already has some very definite hard counters. This will absolutely kill it no doubt. If you're playing aggro, get 2 copies of bed time(one is free from the new HALLOWEEN24 code). If you're playing control, going lategame will render the druid useless, as hero hp is stuck at 500 and its damage is horrible, the storm among your own lategame bloons will easily counter the druid.
Yea because it's passive is clearly an offensive tool, and all it's abilities are meant for offense. Though I'm not sure if that works too well in practice.
Bruh i lost a game cuz i ran out cards thats so stupid i still had things i could do with towers pop bloons but no cuz i drawed all my cards buy other person didnt because they had one wizards that give u yellos bloon card
Why Quincy and not Gwen? I've been running matches with her (even as a complete FTP) and it's almost impossible to lose. She's got a boardwipe and ult that does 200 damage to everything. Also, Druid feels really weak. Backup card that doesn't hit for enough and healing is useless when the only wincon for either player is hitting for 1000+ in a turn or having their opponent deck out.
the utimate wont do 200 to everything, you need 40 bloontonium for that. 20 to set on fire and another 20 for the damage. And last time I checked 40 bloontonium was a lot.
@@sanderhankel9098i run gwen with 2 farms(usually keep only 1 on the board), 2 moabs, 1 bfb, 1 rainbow and the free 5 cost bloons. 40+ bloontonium is a lot, but you always want to use the burns early to get value and use the 20 bloontonium last turn. If you play your cards right the control power is nutty
Im getting sick of those ppl who have jungles bounty or paided for heck load tokens to get op cards literally no chance beat them its so annoying i had get one myself because of it
@@FryEmUp Thanks! Actually, I just made this Obyn control deck that I've been having success with (4/4 wins), but, nonetheless, I still wanna see your take on it since I dont have much card game experience: golden balloon x2 green balloon x1 mortar x1 tack shooter x3 Improved fortification x1 quick break x3 sniper x3 triple shot x3 wall of trees x1 yellow balloon x3 banana farm x1 (needed a support tower for a quest) Bloon embiggen x1 Druid x3 pink balloon x2 black balloon x2 ceramic balloon x1 Restock x2 MOAB x1 Red bloon storm x3 BFB x1 EDIT: replaced the 3 red balloon storms with boomerangs
I may have experienced one of the first ever BCS "game mechanics" moments today. I had a ceramic queued up to hit face with 35 health, and two growth gas bloons behind it. The opposing quincy used flurry of arrows, which should have killed the ceramic, but the growth bloons activated first and added 40 health, so the ceram survived with 25 health left. Turns out moves that hit all bloons apparently go back to front.
cool
i remember watching fry when pvz heroes was still at the galactic pack era, seeing you playing bcs is so cool
It's a new era and I'm all for it!
mans stole my comment from the bcs release vid D:
lol but yes, its so nice to see the start of a new permanent game on this channel!
You can tell fry’s opponents are really good due to none of them using Gwen
@@catgameplayer Gwen has better hero specific ability cards but her bloont. Abilities are very bad unless you’re far into a game. I don’t think she’s that much worse than Quincy right now but we’ll see once an actual meta forms
@@XFiryX the issue is aggressive decks seem to be the strongest build in the game currently and Gwen is just straight up worse in those decks because Quincy's cheaper costs allow you to spam his abilities every single turn which helps defend while you focus on rushing while Gwen is a lot better for late game which aggressive decks just never get to due to their kill or be killed play style
@@k1llsh0t_87 When NK deals with the current aggro meta, i feel like Gwen will be soooo much better. She has 0 problems dealing with mid game moab rushes
@@tame1773its a recurring theme to their pvp games that more aggro/risk equal more reward, maybe they could make sendinf bloons have cooldown or having cash per pop? Idk how they would nerf aggro decks without getting rid of that theme
I currently have a deck that is really effective against aggro decks and it's with Gwen. It's mostly a hybrid between a tempo and aggro deck.
New era for Fry just began, that's great
Fry I love these new bloons videos it feels like a breath of fresh air and I still watch the heroes content
It's crazy how Gwen with all her control powers (burn application and damage increase to monkey) is WORSE at control than Quincy.
Gwen is all in all weak (imho). Like make her first skill do 50 dmg if targeted bloon is already on fire, or soemthing
When people get more cards and figure out how she works, it'll become more common. Gwen is better at control than Quincy, most people just don't have the cards to play around with generating the bloontonium necessary to use her actives effectively. Very few cards you get for free work well. Some cards to consider trying out with her would be the swarm bloons (more bloontonium per card), monkeys that shoot more than once (to double dip the 10 passive), reload cards (to triple dip into the 10 passive), 5/10 cost cards for efficient bloontonium pushes late game, and obviously gold generation/jungle druids. Making her 5 active do damage to already burning might push her over the edge, but reducing the costs down to 4/8/16 or 4/8/18 could make sense, as it'd bring her more in line with Obyn and Amelia, who are intentionally overtuned at the moment to get people to buy them.
Quincy is just super stronk. L3 is cheap and spammable, L6 even chips off pink bloons for completely free, and L9 is so cheap you can sometimes use it multiple times a turn.
Gwen is very strong too - her L10 really adds up - but her L20 has a lot of T&Cs on how it can work, and her L5 is a lot more situational as there are not very many good 2-turn bloons at which it would excel at (normally you get hit by 1-turn blues, green, yellows, etc, for which Quincy L3 is strictly superior)
@@ep69420Yeah, you have a point there... It's a tiny bit silly of me to judge the character, while having only common and rare units.
BUT!
I still believe that her abilities and cards need some tweaks.
Gwen has a 1 coin cost card that sets a bloon on fire or does 50 damage if bloon already IS on fire. It's such a weak trick, i think:
1) you need a certain (not easy to pull of) condition for it to work - applying burn. Yeah, 30 burn in itself is not _bad,_ but it's not worth a whole card slot in your deck, since it's Gwen's first skill.
2) 50 damage for 1 coin? Really? Quincy does 150 to two bloons, 300 in total for 2 only coins. And he doesn't need them to habe burn or be weakened or something like that. It's just a weak card.
3) 1 use doesn't help the case either. If it was 2 times use card, THEN it may be better, but not good enough to be worth running anyway. A card called "bloontonium storage" or something (that gives you 5 btm) exists, and it doesn't cost a dime, while not only being good to activate first skill, but add necessary btm for passive or 3rd skill activation.
(Just make this card her 1st ability! It's not that OP of a change!)
Like... even if Gwen has much more use then we see right now (and she probably does), she still ain't good enough.
@@CorpusGreed conversely, there's also the 3 cost deal 70 to all enemy bloons, which is the best anti- hyper aggro card in the game.
Should've made her 3rd skill do 50 dmg and burn
Rare footage of fry using btd6 sprites
The art in this game is so *juicy*
Cant wait for more bloons card storm content!
Could you make a deck for amelia?
coming next
Fry one type of deck I’m really invested in is the jungles bounty Druid ( with obyn) and I would love to see you try it out, I picked obyn because you can hide behind big shields while you are regenerating you lost health and with bedtime you can counter other Druid decks, but it is definitely the most broken deck imo. If you want I can reply my exact deck contents
Please do share, I'm curious and I'm looking for a deck for Obyn!
Sure but it’s not a budget deck and I’m still improving so this is not the perfect and final deck
Gold bloon 3
Swarm green 3
Tack shooter 3
Banana plantation 2
Bed time 2
Sniper 3
Supply drop 3
Swarm yellow 3
Wall of trees 3
Banana farm 2
Ceramic bloon 2
Bounty druid 3
Restock 2
White bloon 2
MOAB 1
BFB 1
Rainbow bloon 2
Bro that druid its so troll, its like the aloesaurus from pvzh 5 times stronger
Same deck i run its definently getting gutted
WE NEED TWITCH CHAT!!!
edit: just saw it gets added to the screen like 20 minutes in the vid
What if Jungle's Bounty was like "Heal 40 for each Gold gained, except from round start"? You'd have to add a lot of synergy to justify the card in that scenario
monkey city could make your dart monkeys gain charges per card so you actually have incentive to run them
really look forward to ya makin a sun temple deck someday soon
LET’S GO! BLOON CARD STORM!!!
I wonder if I should add my quick ready, return to sender, and three bionic boomers to this :))
If you were to change the logo of your channel then a fry them up version of the burny stuff mortar monkey or ceramic bloon should be put into place. This game gives me fond memories of pvz heroes but it's supported and the devs actually acknowledge the Anyways your video is good and control is certainly my favorite.
Quincy may be bad at shooting bloons, but not when they are not moving in BCS! 🤣You can literally cook dinner when fighting against another Quincy!
34:43 i got 2 quick readies from my first 3 random rare draws.
most balanced zomblob design philosophy
IS THAT THE OLD INTRO MUSIC??
I've personally been loving playing with super monkey fan club myself. It's strong, it's cheap to craft, and it's fun to play. Could you try it out in a future video?
One think i noticed when some games end i got no xp which is annoying cuz leveling up u or ur hero gives tokens and monkey money it seems do that when games ends early
You do get your xp, it's just a visual bug that makes the xp gain animation get cut off
Fry, what are your thoughts on Monkey Apprentice and Juggernaut?
Apprentice has been quite good in my experience, but Spike-a-pult just feels bad and awkward to use. You often have to do very low value attacks to buff it up just for a mildly better sniper.
Gracias por la información estoy empezando en este juego y tus videos de la beta me ayudaron a entender muchas cosas
Gracias Fry
de nada!
fry you should also try Growth Gas Bloon, its op
will do
@@FryEmUp you can actually hit your own bloons with your own quincy abilitie
Hello fry and yt, where is better to use the monkey money?I really like this deck to craft but i was thinking of getting obyn, what do you recomend?
Shouldn't buy heroes, buy the daily stuff instead, random rare most important
@minimum850 thank you
I would buy daily shop five and six, which give you tokens for targeted crafting. The rare is good, but it might give you cards you don't need
nothing gets past quincys bow (except pink bloons in every game)
Let’s goooo
1st fry global ballon card storm!!
Fry is it a good idea to remove 1 boomerang monkey and 1 triple shot dart monkey to add 2 Druid of the jungle monkeys.
Also could I get rid of 1 tack shooter to add and extra sniper monkey
Okay but where is super monkey, is it just too expensive to place down? Or do people use expert negotiator too much?
I think the main reason why, at least for the first deck shown(haven't watched the full thing yet and I'm a bit unfamiliar with BCS) is because he's running 2 rainbow bloons and 1 BFB, these themselves are 3 expensive cards, so Super Monkey(assuming it costs around the same) could lead to an opening hand with 4 6+ costs for at least one turn, usually referred to as "bricking". And losing that turn, along with "tempo"/control of the situation, can be devastating.
So in other words. Yeah, it is too expensive for the deck, but it could be good for another version of this deck with less bloons and more monkeys. Assuming SM is good anyways.
you can run super monkey, I didn't realize it was a starter when I made this budget deck
hmmm I am playing bloonstd6 rn and absolutely loving it. is this game worth playing?
If your into card games, I definitely recommend this game,
but fair warning, the progression card storm is ALOT slower than btd6, being very p2w shortcut convenience since it is a free game
the progression isn’t as slow as other card games at least from what I hear, as you can consistently get 4-5 cards a day using the monkey money shop
@mikmin2.0 thankfully they're buffint the progression in 2.0 via more feats and ranked mode, so hopefully starting players will get more cards early
Hey fry, if you were to convert this deck to an Amelia deck, what changes would you make to it?
I wouldn't do control with Amelia. she's more of an agro hero
@ Really? I would’ve thought that with her passive and second ability she would’ve been more control than agro.
@@scarybtwix5620 the second ability can be used to control opponent's offence, but the passive only helps for her own offence, not for slowing down opponents. that makes it aggro rather than control.
If we use 2 boomerang monkeys, what other card should we replace for jungle druids? The sniper?
This will be interesting
Thanks for this Fry
Fry I think you should try out the growth gas bloon, now you may be thinking what good is a 200 health card that buffs every other bloon's health by 20? Well fry, you can self harm bloons with quincy and gwen's first bloontonium ability (deal 30 damage/set on fire to a bloon). Now the idea is running as many spammable bloon cards and having growth gas bloon + bloontonium caches for basically triggering the growth bloon a bunch. Alright peace
I'll definitely try to craft them and try it
@FryEmUp Growth gas bloon might be a little problematic to craft, but once you get it from either the shop or just crafting you can probably then try to go for the caches.
I know druid of the jungle isn't a common but its so clearly if not bugged very much unintended 100 hp a turn per druid without getting anything else is stupid it makes it so even if you don't have shield gen which makes it worse you can only die to 500hp+ attacks even if its not a common it's mandatory 3 of in all control decks they need to be at least 7gold to play or you get more hp but it's only per time you get gold so it only procs 1 time from the start of turn.
I feel like it's a bit overtuned, 5 hp per gold earned and 1 attack per turn would be fine probably.
@@sanderhankel9098the card already has some very definite hard counters. This will absolutely kill it no doubt. If you're playing aggro, get 2 copies of bed time(one is free from the new HALLOWEEN24 code). If you're playing control, going lategame will render the druid useless, as hero hp is stuck at 500 and its damage is horrible, the storm among your own lategame bloons will easily counter the druid.
Hey fry where could I submit or give u a blooons cardstorm deck to review or even try
youtube comments, or using fries during live twitch streams
Just used your code to buy Amelia
thank you!
I'm still annoyed at how much grinding I still need to do for the 1900 tokens I need for mortars and the 700 I need for one Jungle's Bounty
Why not run the supermonkey in this deck?
you can. I think I didn't realize it was a starter.
Hey fry, did you play “Hollow Knight” before?
maybe once?
@ If you never finished it before I would highly recommend you to try because its a piece of art 💯💯
@@mrtclkkn dont play it fry, once you do you will crave for silksongs release every second.
More than an hours for 5 games..😅
im waiting for ranking system
Confirmed for december!
btw, the "new" hero sucks at defence
Yea because it's passive is clearly an offensive tool, and all it's abilities are meant for offense. Though I'm not sure if that works too well in practice.
Bruh i lost a game cuz i ran out cards thats so stupid i still had things i could do with towers pop bloons but no cuz i drawed all my cards buy other person didnt because they had one wizards that give u yellos bloon card
That's called being milled. I actually like this mechanic of card games, forces games to end eventually (usually)
:D
22 min ago and early
You wanna watch someone worth watch MOLT
Why Quincy and not Gwen? I've been running matches with her (even as a complete FTP) and it's almost impossible to lose. She's got a boardwipe and ult that does 200 damage to everything. Also, Druid feels really weak. Backup card that doesn't hit for enough and healing is useless when the only wincon for either player is hitting for 1000+ in a turn or having their opponent deck out.
the utimate wont do 200 to everything, you need 40 bloontonium for that. 20 to set on fire and another 20 for the damage. And last time I checked 40 bloontonium was a lot.
@@sanderhankel9098i run gwen with 2 farms(usually keep only 1 on the board), 2 moabs, 1 bfb, 1 rainbow and the free 5 cost bloons. 40+ bloontonium is a lot, but you always want to use the burns early to get value and use the 20 bloontonium last turn. If you play your cards right the control power is nutty
Im getting sick of those ppl who have jungles bounty or paided for heck load tokens to get op cards literally no chance beat them its so annoying i had get one myself because of it
Use bed time or go lategame. Either way it counters the jungle druid pretty hard
Am I the only one who thinks the voice lines are annoying af?
If you do, you don’t have a soul
Theres a setting to turn them off if needed
I am not going to be playing this game but okay, I am just watching because fry is playing it
attacking a person is not going to be tolerated on this channel, even if he doesn't like voice lines from a game you like. please keep it cordial.
@@FryEmUp sorry :( I was joking lol
Can you make a cheap Obyn deck? I don’t really know what to do with him.
i'll try
@@FryEmUp Thanks! Actually, I just made this Obyn control deck that I've been having success with (4/4 wins), but, nonetheless, I still wanna see your take on it since I dont have much card game experience:
golden balloon x2
green balloon x1
mortar x1
tack shooter x3
Improved fortification x1
quick break x3
sniper x3
triple shot x3
wall of trees x1
yellow balloon x3
banana farm x1 (needed a support tower for a quest)
Bloon embiggen x1
Druid x3
pink balloon x2
black balloon x2
ceramic balloon x1
Restock x2
MOAB x1
Red bloon storm x3
BFB x1
EDIT: replaced the 3 red balloon storms with boomerangs