Identity Politics and the War on Caitlin Clark || THE CLIFTON DUNCAN PODCAST 65: ADRIENNE ROSS
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Adrienne Ross is an author, editor, writer and writing coach, a former newspaper columnist and speaker.
She hails from New York, where she was a public school teacher and coached high school girls’ varsity basketball, and at one time was an athlete herself.
She's now host of The Adrienne Ross Show [@theadriennerossshow ]
Conversation starts at 03:35.
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You guys are seriously unhinged
Wake up!!!
Calling names is a playground move, reflects more upon the caller... Do you have some points to make? If they hold water then you will be illuminating the hinges.
Uh -oh. Pin of shame!
Either you're trolling, or you missed every point they were making. Give some context for your statement and maybe we'll understand.
And you are not serious.
I've been a fan of Adrienne Ross for a short time and now I'm a fan of yours. You are articulate, personable, and knowledgeable.
I've been on this planet over 70 years and his voice is the sexiest most calming voice I have ever heard. :)
As Jordan reportedly said: "republicans buy sneakers too." CC is right to steer clear of all that and do her job!
In college I had a huge crush on our school’s version of Caitlin Clark. She was loyal to her high school boyfriend and married him so I never had a chance. Recently the alumni magazine profiled her, had four kids, still married, is a school psychologist now and seems perfectly happy.
Sometimes people who seem great on the outside really are great.
I love this!!!
I feel for you, I've been there. I think 99% of the population is there and then grew up.
I'm blacker than all them kids and I tell my children the same thing: work first, ignore the noise.
characteristics of Caitlin Clark that separates her from the players and coaches in the WNBA are her INTELLIGENCE and MATURITY. These explains a lot of Caitlin Clark’s popularity. She is poised, has class, professional, respectful, and articulate. She is the right role model for womens basketball. Placing her side by side with those in the WNBA Caitlin Clark outshines them. Those who are specially unintelligent and immature are the ones overtly jealous of and hates Caitlin Clatk.
AND Humility...
But most importantly she is on a whole other level talent wise. There is not one woman in the league who plays the game like CC. It drives me crazy that they try to say there’s an Angel Reese/Caitlin Clark rivalry because Angel is nowhere near the talent level as Clark. It’s so petty and childish.
Even her cussing at refs?
@@Ifetayoyogajust tell us you don’t watch sports. LOL
I think it is so hypocritical that you have all these woman of color talking about how “they” made the league what it is and how dare a “white woman” come in to be the face of the league, if the white players of the NBA said the same thing about wilt chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan etc.. then everyone would be crying racism but if it comes from black players then Caitlin Clark is fair game and no one wants to say what it really is? Hypocrites! Why don’t they focus on the game of basketball and forget about all the political stuff? In my opinion, it doesn’t belong. I was discussed when the NBA got all political with Black Lives Matter. I stopped watching. I couldn’t believe that “white NBA payers were forced to wear a t-shirt that said, “I was made by strong black men.” How demoralizing and racist against the white families that worked hard to raise these men! The whole Angle Reese rivalry thing is BS. Caitlin Clark is treating the issue of rivalry between her and Reese back at college like it doesn’t exist. It is Reese that keeps talking about it to make herself relevant. If she never talked about it then no one would notice her.
Kudos to Clifton Duncan and the guest Adrienne Ross! Great intelligent discussion.
High Honors to Clifton Duncan and Adrienne Ross. Gratitude Peace and Blessings. Keep the LOVE out front at all Cost
Positively
Exactly 💯. So refreshing
Followed Adrienne Ross for a bit now due to her takes on CC and the WNBA. She uses an intelligent approach to the social aspect of things and she gives good analysis in terms of the basketball side of things.
This is one of the best conversations I have witnessed in so-o long! Thank you. I love the agree to disagree and move on with respect for everyone, allowing people to have whatever opinions they want. You were such a light in a world that is so divided and divisive. I am watching WNBA for the first time now because of Caitlan Clark. I love her skill, her team first attitude, her ability to stay calm, clear and not jump into the fray. She represents herself and the WNBA so beautifully. She is unselfish in a me-me-me world.
Just like Caitlin Clark, Clifton Duncan is humble talented, and appreciates his fans. I can personally say that.
Thank you...but I'm taking lessons from Caitlin right now!
@CliftonADuncan even as a bouncer I don't think you're getting knocked around as hard as her, or am I wrong?
Adrienne Ross, one of my favorite podcasters. ♥️
Most ppl want to see basketball not "bully ball" so stop the politics & hazing. BTW Caitlin took 'em to school with the TRIPLE DOUBLE yesterday and it lit up the arena. She is speaking loudly through her play & etiquette. . Caitlin will eventually earn the respect of most naysayers. Keep it coming AR ....you are truthful and a breath of fresh air !
There were people saying she shouldn't even join the WNBA, because she was going to walk into a buzzsaw of jealousy and racism. And that is exactly how it went. No need for any additional hand-wringing and struggling to understand this. Jealousy and racism, heavy on the racism - - and that's ALL it is. To act like this is "strange" or "confusing" is to be in denial about what it really is.
its about race and cash. mad cause a wyte girl got a bag
I've heard this from Jesse Peterson: she's bad, she's hot , and can't be stopped. Instead of getting better, they are trying to destroy her . Pure evil.
This was a great episode. This Caitlin Clark stuff and the social media toxicity surrounding it is sad. Social media + damaged personalities + anonymity + assumed racism + actual racism = a complete disaster ..
Clifton made a point about Caitlin that not many point to. Child prodigy. At 22 years old, she has 17 years experience playing organized basketball. and before puberty and hormones, she held her own against boys. She's been playing team ball longer than some of the vets in the WNBA, now let that sink in.
She is also very good at soccer and golf
to be technical, 24 year old NBA star put his hands on a ball before age 7. But no one (almost) had THAT DAD as a coach. Wow!
Man! Am I lucky to have found your show. You are a cool and calm presenter and clearly non bias. I am now a subscriber.
I'm an older white man and like so many others followed Caitlin here from her college career. I'm shocked at the hate, corruption and racism at all levels that is so dominate in the WNBA. I found Adrienne Ross a few weeks. Her shows are wonderful and I learn a lot from her. Now I have found Clifton Duncan. Your calm manner and civility when examining CC and WNBA issues is also refreshing. Look forward to watching more of your shows.
And CC has handled all of this fall out with pure class. She is the product of good parenting and a two parent, man and woman, family.
She doesn't have talk Sh1t, The Internet can do that for her, she can stay classy.
Yes cause you hate gays and lesbians and blacks...we know Clark cult is racist.
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Amen!!
@@giftcardbill so cursing out the ref must be from her dads side🤣 and pushing players down is from moms 😭
I subscribe to Adrienne!! She is beautiful, well versed presenting her expert opin and her women’s basketball knowledge is unprecedented, in my not so humble opinion!!
Great guest!!
Thank You Clif! Honesty has been the one variable missing from the conversation. If you follow the CC phenomena from a distance it literally appears the goal is to see her fail.
Oh, she is NOT overrated. She’s a once in a lifetime player. I’ve paid so much money to fly to see her play multiple times. It’s been more than worth it
Great program. I've been following Ms. Ross recently and I'm glad I stumbled on this interview. I think the other night's game where Taurasi and Griner gave her some love will be the beginning of a turnaround and the bad attitudes towards CC will start to lighten up and mostly go away.
Adrianne Ross is great. Very interesting interview. Love Mr. Duncan's voice.
It's a shame. I've been watching Ross's content on Clark because Ross talks basketball with insightful analysis. Duncan's wonderful interview demonstrates the sad reality of how an appreciation of sports has become political.
Free Caitlin Clark. Fire Christie Sides. Hire Adrienne Ross... Great show. Great Guest! 👍
That's kind of you! 😊
All about hiring Adriane Ross!!! Anyone could do better than Sides, but Ross would take it all the way. No question.
@@383jpark 😮
The amount of great Athletes that should have won Championships but never did, is long and extensive. Nobody deserves anything.
CC brings her own fan base because she INTERACTS DIRECTLY with the fans. She is the Taylor Swift of the WNBA. Win or loose she is selling out venues even AFTER moving the location.
Also, the media is NOT asking the tough questions - such as the financial positive effect - of the current WNBA players.
Great discussion.
CC is different from TS in many ways. TS became famous because of her connection, and good marketing. CC achieved mega stardom due to her superb skills, humility, fitness, personality, warm attitude, and beauty inside and out.
Great guest!! I've stumbled on Adrienne's videos several times over the last few months.
That was a very enlightening discussion. Jealousy is very toxic that they would rather go back to being irrelevant and invisible than to see Caitlin Clark succeed.
this was the best interview/discussion i have ever seen on this subject.
Seriously one of the best discussions I've seen in a long time. Knowledgeable, intelligent, interesting, logical. Kudos to you both!
Is it immaturity or insecurity?
It’s both!
Adrienne is so real for that 😂
I agree her ability to communicate is crazy above thr norm of young and mature athletes.
Let your actions do the takin--
Love Adrienne. I say A for Indiana Fever !!
More than a great player, Caitlin is a forerunner and example to the entire league how sportsmanship, tact, and humbleness can be inter-twined. Having to be on guard for the media is not easy and can wear on one over time. In a year or so perhaps this all will die down but for the remainder of this year the Clark vs Reese fans will be screaming at each other for dominance. I can’t imagine the explosion on whatever side loses rookie of the year. All the while any blatant hater can be in the category of causing undo harm on players when they are trying their hardest to succeed. Noise, noise, and more noise has risen to epic proportions in media bashing. Survival of the fittest, mentally and physically will play a role in longevity in this league.
Thanks, Clifton. Great surprise seeing you back to start the new week and month! Hope you and yours are staying even cooler this Summer!
Love listening to Adrienne Ross... great guest today... ❤
Sounds like the people at the executive level of the WNBA who could steer things in a positive direction are too worried about protecting their current position and career to risk it by doing what it takes to move the league forward. Strong leadership is just so difficult to find. You need a person who can see the bigger picture _and_ who has the courage to turn that vision into a reality. That's rare.
Thank you. I have never seen a woman hoop like her. 🔥
Ajax Wilson. Have you seen her play.
@@pj1953a Yes, she is awesome. clearly the goat, & a badass. CC is a rookie, but I've never seen a woman with her style, logo 3s, step back 3s, the assists, the on court vision. I hooped in Jr & High school after following the NBA, Bird & Magic. CC will be the goat too someday.
@@cynthiawhite3945 Exactly my sentiment. A'ja is great, Jewel is great, Kelsey is great, but the combination step back threes, some from the logo, and some of the most creative passes I have seen at any level make CC's game so much fun to watch. She is improving greatly on defense as well. I see her jumping in skill as time goes on. She will hit the weight room, perfect more moves, and become an even more brilliant player.
@@tom7471 It is sheer poetry now watching the Fever.
Clifton your voice is your super power!
the wnba is like a spoiled little sister who knows she'll get your protection and your support no matter how bratty and rude she is.
Why little sister? What about a jealous older sister when the baby comes along?! 😂
Way to go Clifton. Way to tell the truth about identity politics and Mao struggle sessions
This is the best interview that I have seen in a long long time. It was very informative and well done. Keep up the good work.
The biggest difference is Clark is getting hate from players and coaches in the league - which is making her an actual underdog now because of this she will become a bigger star than she would have if she didn't receive the same hate. Especially after that triple-double against the best team in the W
I loved this beautiful ladies view on the WNBA and Caitlin Clark and agree with her 100%! And like her i hope the WNBA can start appreciating instead of hating because Caitlin Clark just wants to play basketball its not her fault she has so many fan's and loved by millions!!!
True that.
Seeing the results of the fan All Stars vote tells everyone the Truth about who is most popular
Popularity does equate to talents and wins on the court.
@@pj1953a who is your team?
@@ChrisDavis-dt6xx - I don’t have a favorite WNBA team. Besides, why does that matter?
@@pj1953a you just proved my point. You know nothing about WNBA
@@ChrisDavis-dt6xx - you’re right. I know very little about the WNBA. So, I don’t get on here pontificating about WNBA strategy.
I've been watching Adrienne's podcast for a few months now and really enjoy it.
Yes! There are some white conservatives who are on the CC bandwagon because she's white! But the number of us older black men who love her game are probably more prevalent.
I have noticed a remarkable community of black people who are rightly championing Caitlin clark. By far the biggest fan base is a silence who are very down-to-earth and value integrity of character over winning. I'm pretty sure that these two communities are fundamentally the same at their roots.
I'm not so convinced that there is a white conservative thing so interested in Caitlin Clark because of what we call skin color these days. Iowa has a majority white population and it's fair to say conservative although Iowa has progressive elements going back over 100 years far before it was a fashion, including bringing in women's basketball in 1895 always supporting girl athletes and pushing for integration just as early against the bigotry of surrounding states. My take is that it is more just the coincidence that Iowa has people who look a certain way and Caitlin Clark is born from these people, but they don't favor her because of her race per se .
Not only specific to black or white, the whole world loves her, because she just has this spirit that all can appreciate.
The great ''white'' bad guy myth. Come to Iowa. We love everyone - in fairness - who works hard, is humble, is loyal, community minded, and had a sense of humor. THAT is why we have been at the forefront for supporting women, people of ANY ''color'' in education and sport since founding the state. The problem people are having now. We don't tolerate bullies. People are trying to twist it when we don't take a knee to their bullying. That's ok though, let them say what they want, we will continue to hold the course - and share this with anyone else who shares common sense values.
Great show - "Struggle Session". Love it, very observant! About two years I began phrasing this epoch:
"Caitlin Clark - The Canary in the Culture Mine." - How we treat Clark, someone who brings so much brightness and good, will reveal the true state of our cultural air. The more you learn about Caitlin the more you will understand this with vigor.
During her recent game with the Aces, the Ace's players - who are among the top in the league - became the first in the WNBA to show outward expressions of kindness and affection towards Clark .
Behind the scenes of that game Clark - and her Iowa teammate/friend Kate Martin - brought in a fan of hers, a girl who has been fighting cancer and is now on her final journey. I am sure that the Aces players saw this Act of Giving and through this - the negative spell was broken. Whatever antipathy or negative narrative they might have picked up couldn't stand against the selfless actions that reveal Caitlin Clark's true character.
Of course Clark's character has been both driven and charitable all along. I could write two pages just about the charity work that I know she's done (but would not advertise). A healthy culture would not only recognize this but would laud Clark for her good character, for her community and charitable spirit. Instead we have seen her become one of the most persecuted, abused, and demeaned public figures of this century.
I was happily surprised to see Adrienne Ross as your guest. She and I have exchanged some insights and you added valuable additions to these layered and loaded conversation.
A couple of initial notes: you're one of the few who has questioned the people behind Angel Reese. I would note that we can infer a lack of mentorship. I would frame Reese's public issues less as a lack of media training and more as lack of mentorship. I'll come back to this in a moment.
Second to these points, you noted Caitlin Clark's media savvy. While I'm sure she learned a few things at the University of Iowa I can assuredly say that the manner of Clark's communication is purely Iowan. Simple, succinct, down to earth, Common Sense driven and considerate communication is what you would expect from an Iowan who has taken a position of leadership. - For easy reference I would refer you to the speaking of Iowa Coach Bluder, Iowa Coach Farentz in football, the podcast Hawkeye of the Storm with Cory and Kachine (no formal affiliation), and of course the greatest Iowan sportsperson - Dan Gable. All of thse people represent the ethically driven, level-headed and insightful conversation of Iowans.
Why Iowan sportspeople, and leaders in other areas, are so consistent in their ethics and manner relates to a much deeper narrative on fundamental Iowa culture which in turn relates to traditional American culture. You nearly suggested this when you questioned the future of the league...
Back to the note on mentorship of Angel Reese, or lack thereof.
Angel Reese has suffered two great failings. The first was her choice of colleges or the willingness to follow through on her first... Now this will relate to one of the fundamental issues at hand for women's basketball: Why aren't players in the WNBA more famous/popular/endorsedd? Few people, if any, in the media are sorting out to an effective understanding of the source of these issues. The answer is simple, was once common knowledge, and has been re-revealed by Caitlin Clark. That would be that, the fundamental way a woman basketball player can build a fandom is by becoming a legend in the WNCAA.
This is something people knew years ago about men's ball, they lost track of that and the NBA suffers for it. Caitlin Clark just reminded people of the is truth. College is the best place for an athlete to begin building a fandom. However this, the forming of a star's legend, must be built the correct way, and that means through a pathway that is challenging and thus is inspiring.
The college game, at the top level, has been mostly uninspiring, dominated by five teams who have won 70% of championships. These teams have been allowed to monopolize talent and the majority of sports fans are not only uninspired but are repelled by the idea of All-Star juggernauts buzz sawing through level competition. Alternately, if a star player goes to her own team and, as an underdog, comes up through organic hard work and great teamwork with flawed teammates, the people will be inspired.
Angel Reese and all of the other stars before have been poorly served by the fool's Gold of going to a monopoly team where their talents are not fully developed and the fandom will never follow them to the WNBA.
Second to this, Angela Reese was not served by a mentorship that would have encouraged her to reach out in (competitive) friendship to Caitlin Clark during college. Instead Angel Reese was caught up in an anti-Clark/Iowa bigotry campaign that was kicked off by Dawn Staley, which led her to go after Clark with a chip on her shoulder. If instead Reese had had mentors who would have guided her to embrace and laud Caitlin Clark they could have formed a true Magic & Bird type of relationship. Angel Reese would have joined Caitlin Clark on the top stage (instead of always aspiring to and causing herself to be rejected from it) sharing endorsements that would have skyrocketed both of them stratospherically. Sadly she was not only bereft of broad-thinking mentorship, as most young women athletes have been, those around her encouraged her to take the back door social-media-villain chaos-causing role.
Expertly written and well-stated!!!👍
May I clarify a point? Both Caitlin and Kate Martin befriended Bailey Lux (the little girl with cancer) while they were both college students. They visited her, played board games with her, etc.
The University of Iowa encourages its student athletes to do outreach of this sort to the community.
After college, Kate Martin stayed in touch with Bailey. I'm not sure whether Caitlin did, possibly she did too.
Kate, who now plays for the Aces, was the one who collaborated with Make a Wish foundation to arrange for Bailey and her family to come to Vegas for the Fever-Aces game.
Both Caitlin and Kate arranged for their teams to sign basketballs for Bailey, and both teams posed for photos with her. I don't know why Caitlin's efforts to arrange for Bailey to meet the Fever received more media attention than Kate's comparable efforts with the Aces.
So in fairness, we need to show respect for both Kate and Caitlin. Each contributed to making the child's wish come true.
@@JE-IC Clark is a superstar. Clark is also bearing the weight of carrying the flag for good, tradition, and right actions such as using one's station to benefit others. She is under attack for this - on a level that we have rarely, if ever, seen against a public figure this century. It is imperative that her good works, that represent the good works of countless people who maintain the culture and traditions that made Clark 'possible'', are buoyed up against the onslaught...
Everything that she does recieves top billing - like Tiger Woods. Kate Martin isn't famous, like so many other good people, and due to our current communication behaviors we are unable to focus on much more than those with top billing.
Ideas of applying a different ethic to what our media focus upon are worthwhile. Similar might be the idea of public service that excludes profiteering from said service. Certainly a worthwhile concept. Neither are in a Zeitgeist that is struggling to maintain the best of our traditional ethics, let alone bringing in new ones. - The importance of emphasizing Clark's charitable works is that she is one of the very few superstars who priorititizes charity, community, and character while at the same time media has been attacking her character (with falsehoods) while propping up narcissism, violence, bullying, and abusive behavior. Martin, who isn't in the zeitgeist crosshairs, holds no center stage position in this proxy battle of the war on culture. - That is, no one is attacking her or attempting to undermine her /her associations - except of course on the Caitlin Clark ''side''. That last point is very notable.
Finally, it is common knowledge that no one exists within a vacuum. There are layers of people, especially those who work within charitable organizations themselves, and then of course those medical people (who donate their services - which is too few), and as you noted those of the University, greater Iowa, or greater community in general who support charitable acts. Clark is the the flag bearer for this. It would be great to bring everyone on to the stage. Right now there is a battle waging to tear down the flag that she is courageously carrying, if we lose this, nothing good will be recognized.
@@destinypirate I see your point. But in our efforts to support Caitlin, we shouldn't project onto her the good things done by other people.
Remember that part of how you can discern a person's character is by who they surround themselves with. Caitlin needs Kate to help her survive this onslaught.
@@JE-IC 10,000 % agreement, it is essential that some other influential women step up to hold the line with Caitlin Clark. It may only take a few, and initially it's important that Clark feel the support of her Iowa teammates and the Iowan people, however to become something more impactful she needs a fellowship of people who come from other communities. I believe Boston is the perfect person for this because we can easily recognize the intelligence, care, and thoughtfulness she exhibits. She does still have one foot connected on the side of the fence with Dawn Staley and the bully Club. However, through both her words and actions, she has made it clear that she's not really going to behave like them, she refuses to retaliate when she takes bully hits, and she places ethical intention into how she represents herself. If she could fully place herself beside Clark it would be a powerful statement within the league, women's basketball, women's sports, and to all of the young people at large watching. It is possible not only to win the right way but to be a great person in doing so. I can think of nothing that would bring more happiness than seeing those two create some charity initiatives together.
Please note that I did take your suggestion to her and I included Kate Martin in my first level comment, I did not mean to omit her except that I was trying to keep the focus on the knife edge that Caitlin Clark has been placed upon, yet you are suggestion reminds me that we should let people know that there are more people besides Caitlin Clark who are acting ethically, even within the WNBA.
It's green vs green: toxic jealousy vs good financial sense.
Excellent conversation, Clifton and Adrienne! (Came here via Adrienne's channel.:)) Am hopeful though about the future. WNBA was totally unprepared for Caitlin, but they will learn. It will be a struggle, but they are starting to understand that they need to change. For example, Taurasi welcomed CC when their teams first met, and, post-game, acknowledged the latter's bright future. And in recent games, the opposing players, though they still guard CC with their lives, are less rough. The WNBA and its players now understand that the world's eyes are on them, and that they have to behave, and learn to grow. :) Greetings from an optimist in the Philippines! Subscribed!😊🙏💕🏀🇵🇭
The core of jealousy is that the person who is jealous, is deathly afraid of being made irrelevant. Jealous people are insecure and are afraid of being passed over those who are secure in themselves are unaffected by someone who is very talented.
I think for a lot of people, particularly real basketball people, it's not a question of black and white, it's about skill the CC has. True skill. And she brings the same excitement to the game that Steph Curry has that no other woman in the WNBA has ever done.
Hello! What a great interview! I love Adrienne👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Go Catlin! Go Adrienne! Go Clifton! 😀
Adrienne Ross is funny, good funny, I like her.
I've visited her channel a few times.
Love your podcast and voice and beautiful spoken English. At least I can understand you. From South Africa!
Welfare National Basketball Association
I'm stealing this!!! With permission of course,lol ;)
Came across Adrienne’s show recently and was impressed by her honesty and intelligence. She’s a wonderful listen because she has no hidden agendas she focuses on the truth.
Adrienna I follow your podcast too. Both of you are outstanding with your honesty,
You both speak for I’m guessing the majority of us ,
I will support Caitlin, I will immediately reject any of the divisive hacks that are so unprofessional and haters
First time listener, haven't gotten through the intro yet but just wanted to say before we get into the meat of the podcast that you have a fantastic voice! Looking forward to the next 40 minutes.
Adrienne is on lock. She has a well reasoned, tempered approach to breaking down topics of discussion. Great show.
I really enjoyed your balanced, informative and intelligent conversation it’s so different from what I have been hearing about the Caitlin Clarke affair. We seem to be drowning in political and identity issues it only causes divisiveness.
I can’t wait for the Caitlin Clark Show to come to 🇦🇺Australia🇦🇺 She’s always welcome to come play here 🥳🥳🥳
Miss Ross is so good she should be on ESPN
The interaction between you and Adrienne Ross was excellent! I really enjoyed the conversation. It was like no stone was left unturned.
Bro. We need a PT II to this video!!! It’s SOOOOO MUCH WORSE now. And she’s accomplished so much more. Excellent video bro! 😎
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode! Thank you both!
They'd better figure out that they need her more than she needs them. She's their Michael Jordan from a marketing perspective, so they have to decide if they want to keep their little club or they're ready to GROW.
Their league has lost money for 28 years in a row How many businesses Could continue to operate losing money 28 years in a row and these women think they are deserving
Very well spoken man.. there's something calming about his demeanor in the way he talks. Keep it up good sir
Miss Ross is amazing and a great commentator
What bothers me is that Caitlin Clark cannot just enjoy herself and be embraced by the league that she's going into now. It becomes a woke problem for her. It is represented by her and Angel Reese. ESPN and other black women fear the negative publicity if they support. Caitlin. It's sad that many black UA-cam channel producers have to apologize for supporting Caitlin Clark., like bear sellouts or Uncle Tom's. I would just like to see an athlete be embraced and supported. Regardless of skin color. And by the way, Caitlin has never said anything politically one way or the other. So the thing that I think is the saddest is that Caitlin cannot enjoy her popularity as she should. It's harder for her. And it's not fair.
I really love how they broke down the psychological aspect of the hate Catlin receives. Adrian could have predicted what we are witnessing now before CC came into the league.
intelligent leadership is needed to unite the players
Condoleeza Rice needs to get involved with this wnba issue
the ungracious players need to be asked the quote of President JFK, ..Ask not what the country(wnba) can do for you, but what you can do for your country/wnba league...
the strife is setting a deeper wedge amongst basketball fans...
no one wins. Controversy grows ..
and just like the 1960s....acts of violence and words of harm overshadow the growth . .
there will be a Pinnacle headliner ...besides the decision of CC not being on the Olympic team..... divided, the new fans will depart, media cancel broadcasts due to low viewership and no sponsors, so the wnba lose charter flights and salaries do not increase ...
wake up wnba management before the Clarkonomics impact is lost
wnba management needs to hire Lisa Bluder to set up and maintain a successful culture for the keague
Two excellent commentators
Excellent video/ conversation once again. Adrienne Ross speaks truth. I love it .
I may have commented once before but I think you and Ted Gloria on the state of current music.
Excellent interview! Thank you. Love Adrienne’s podcasts ❤
I'm not a fan of men's or women's pro b-ball, but have tuned in BECAUSE of Caitlin Clark! Loved Adrienne Ross since the early days of TS & now also a fan of Clifton Duncan! Great interview with two very good communicators! Very informative & easy to listen to!
Just like the guest said - I too loved the WNBA & didn’t know or care if others watched. I also agree that it’s always been said even back in 97, 98, & 99 when I was going to Liberty games - that the women’s game is a strong back to basics game - no dunking etc. I loved those games, had a team jersey (Kym Hampton) & a cool picture of Teresa Weatherspoon. Saddens me it never took off more & more so that now it’s being hobbled by this. I grew up w three older step brothers & always got razzed about “girls” sports - so it’s important that it was starting to get the respect it deserves. Thanks Clifton for another outstanding show!!! ❤
Outstanding and comprehensive coverage of this topic sir!
Looking forward to this one. I remember a clip from Shaq suggesting to a WNBA player that the rim could be lowered a bit to make dunking more of a thing, hence making the game more exciting. The WNBA player was rather indignant at the suggestion.
Which I can sort of understand in a way as it’s basically saying you just aren’t that good or exciting with the way the game is played now. Yet it’s obvious something needs to be done if the wnba wants to gain popularity. Perhaps Caitlin and other similar players are the answer..?
Might as well. They already play with a smaller ball.
Like @rogerwood5228 said. They also have shorter quarters and a closer 3pt line.
@@rogerwood5228 Just some constructive, friendly criticism regarding your comment. We don't play with a smaller ball; we play with the appropriate sized ball for our hands. Just as the men don't play with a bigger ball; they play with the right ball for their hands. Just food for thought.
@theadriennerossshow3143 like I said, they already play with a smaller ball. Don't woman-splain me.
I enjoyed listening to your podcast. It's informative and entertaining. I especially love your beautiful, soothing voice.
Thanx CIifton and Adrienne. Change is a given and CC has that written aII over her. As humans we resist it. I am old now, but regardless, change is Iife. When the Players and the mind-set are in place, then, is when we wiII see what CC can possibly bring to the game. She is truly a phenom...Iet her shine.
Clifton an amazing podcast. Will be listening again. Thank you and may God bless!
Just listening to this guy’s voice is worth listening to.
Mr Duncan is very likable as a pod caster. I enjoyed your segment with Ms Ross
Thank you for the common sense talk about C.Clark and the WNBA.
Having Adrienne Ross on was great . Enjoyed both of your perspectives. I heard someone describe Catlin as the Taylor Swift of WNBA, it's true in the sense she interacts with her fans. Her humble personality is real. The
amount of pressure this young.women receives is huge and yet she still is gracious to the young people who come to see her. A standing ovation at a away game!!!! I think she sells out almost every away game in the cites, they go to. She has great parents, a kind heart especially to the kids who follow her, she remembered getting autographs when she was a kid ....just classic Iowa nice.
AR's unique perspective breaks thru all the hype and bs narratives.
The underlining of this CC story is like her game before in Iowa college, coming into an underdog club team whom is said dead last year after years and now will help the team to bring it out of that deep sleep into the WNBA Champ title.
It is a continues game from college LSU (Top 5 Dog College) vs Iowa (Hometown College),
Remember: The 1950-51 Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball team represented Indiana University
Adrienne Ross is fab!
It's so dumb it just makes me sad.
It is but social media + anonymity + damaged personalities creates a huge mess
It is and what makes me even more sad is that it is a microcosm of a much larger issue. I don't do much social media so following her has informed me that this is much worse than I previously thought.
Very skilled, interesting and intelligent interview. Love the perspectives. Kudos to you both!👏
Adrienne Ross is amazing. Very level headed and intelligent person.
Good show … however, I see players beginning to appreciate CC and her contributions. Hopefully this is a trend
Clifton - I am a first-time viewer of your podcast and am so very impressed on the many levels a viewer can be.... with the manner in which you put forth your thoughts & questions. My first impression that caught my attention was the timbre of your voice, as well as your command of the English language. Further, as I listened, I came to the conclusion that I was viewing a person with a high caliber of "critical thinking" ability. All of that said, from a small-town Indian boy from Alaska, that barely graduated HS in 1964.
Regarding Adrienne Ross, I've viewed her (positively) podcasts I think 2-3 times previously, due to my new interest in the WNBA & Caitlin Clark.
The 45 minutes that I spent with you two exchanging thoughts was time well spent for me.... especially since I've been rather disheartened by what I call the "decline of America" and the world.
There's more that I can express but I'll conclude here with my thought that this segment with you two should be considered a valuable thought-provoker, that should be spread far and wide.... it's a classic.... in the "same sense" that there is .... classical music (of the ages).
I appreciate you both, as well as those that influenced you.
Great episode, Clifton. ❤❤😎😎
Thank you Miss Ross for keeping it real 🎉
I love the passion and knowledge coming from Adrienne Ross! Please finish this WNBA season with me. There is much more Drama ahead I believe. I think thru it all….CC will stay strong and survive this political madness