Classical Composer Reaction/Analysis to Yes: The Ancient (Giants Under the Sun) | Episode 472

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  • @1ouncebird
    @1ouncebird 2 роки тому +116

    Glad you like this one Doug. It is not an easy listen for most people on the first try. Also thanks for doing Tales because in the comments sections it is clear that though Tales has a lot of haters there are clearly many, many of us who absolutely love Tales and here we can all share this and talk about it and reaffirm what a gift this album is to so many of us.

    • @rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266
      @rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 2 роки тому +5

      To be honest, The Ancient and Ritual are my favorite parts of Tales. Since I first listened to the album I automatically got drawn to these parts, The Revealing Science was okay but I struggled to like The Remembering for a while. Maybe my inner metalhead/hard rocker couldn't get that into the softer and monotonic aspects of the indian influence in that song.
      Of course by now, after having been properly introduced to jazz, world music and indian music (thanks to John McLaughlin, lol) I do enjoy those songs more than before, but man! The Ancient is still the highest point of the album for me.

    • @1ouncebird
      @1ouncebird 2 роки тому +7

      @@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 Though I love all of this album The Ancient is weird, wild stuff and for me is still as fresh and interesting as it was in 1974. It is about as far out and freaky a place as Yes ever journeyed to and is an absolute joy to listen to - for me. I'm glad you love it too.

    • @petermastronardi6641
      @petermastronardi6641 2 роки тому

      Not a bad song....lol r u Fucking kidding me this is Beethovenish stuff, saw it played live 6 or 7 times ...

    • @rkb2092
      @rkb2092 2 роки тому +2

      I agree. This and Relayer are my favorites.

    • @petermcintyreA1
      @petermcintyreA1 Рік тому +3

      ​@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266coincidentally, Yes had John McLaughlin's Mahavishnu on their bill at the crystal palace performance in September 72, where they first played close to the edge ( I was there) and I reckon were influenced in some way, like many musicians at that time.....

  • @SpaceOdditiesLive
    @SpaceOdditiesLive 2 роки тому +20

    What a great reaction Doug! I've always seen "The Ancient" as the most difficult of the four pieces to listen to, so I am glad you enjoyed it. I bought "Topographic" as soon as it was released in 1973. I've adored it ever since. The really strange thing about it is that it really does you take you away to strange, wonderful places. It's difficult to explain, but the album has an atmosphere, a presence that is unlike any other Yes album, or indeed any other album by anybody of that glorious era of music (which I am honoured to have grown up in, even as I miss its constant creativity and innovation dearly). Just shut your eyes and be transported. I don't know if the band knew quite what they were creating, but it's a unique experience. It's easy to forget it's rock music when its atmosphere grabs you - it's just music, sounds, callings, answers. No other band, in my opinion, has ventured so far into the creation of other worlds, other places, other times.
    The album was, and remains, an immense achievement. Having been a Yes fan since 1970 I think I have earned the right to say that. :) Keep up the great work Doug - and by the way, I predict you will absolutely adore "Ritual" - different again from the other three sides, and perhaps, musically, the most memorable.

  • @bobsavage3317
    @bobsavage3317 2 роки тому +27

    I've listened to this album for decades, and what I have come to realize is that it is a large, complex work that many people simply aren't equipped to handle. I am incredibly glad that it was created and shared with the world.

  • @MyCrazyDogs32
    @MyCrazyDogs32 2 роки тому +49

    I learned that acoustic solo and played it at my school's Spring Concert when I was a senior back in 1987. It was my first solo public performance.

    • @cobbycaputo3332
      @cobbycaputo3332 2 роки тому +2

      No one can ever accuse you of taking the easy path!

    • @MyCrazyDogs32
      @MyCrazyDogs32 2 роки тому +4

      @@cobbycaputo3332 Well, I thought it was easier to play than Mood For A Day (which I learned a couple of years later) or Clap (which I still haven't learned.) But this piece was challenging enough, no doubt.

    • @davelindstrom6005
      @davelindstrom6005 2 роки тому +1

      Class of 89 here!

  • @vorisha
    @vorisha 2 роки тому +68

    At the age of fourteen I dreamed of playing the acoustic guitar part of this song. And at forty-four I finally learned it

    • @singerofsongss
      @singerofsongss 2 роки тому +6

      This makes me so happy to hear. I’m a young adult who goes through phases trying to learn to play guitar but I keep getting frustrated and falling out of practice. I wanna keep trying.

    • @bobsavage3317
      @bobsavage3317 2 роки тому +3

      @@singerofsongss It takes time and energy to learn, but it is well worth it.

    • @louise_rose
      @louise_rose Рік тому +1

      Gorgeous solo guitar piece and song. I first heard it around the same age and loved it at once.

    • @everlastingarms3065
      @everlastingarms3065 Рік тому

      Congrats, and a deep bow.

  • @asharmstrong6730
    @asharmstrong6730 2 роки тому +96

    This is a piece of music you're probably going to be drawn back to listen to again and again, along with the rest of the album. Most of us have been immersed in this stuff for nigh on 50 years...

    • @petermastronardi6641
      @petermastronardi6641 2 роки тому +5

      What Ash Armstrong said.... Lol...

    • @RobBCactive
      @RobBCactive 2 роки тому +9

      50 years that passed very quickly!!

    • @daniellacroix5086
      @daniellacroix5086 2 роки тому +2

      47 years only for me guys. Never stopped listening to these Tales (and CTTE + Relayer of course). Pure masterpieces.

    • @rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266
      @rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 2 роки тому +4

      It's incredible to think it has been THAT long. A true testament to the genius of Yes. That streak of albums from The Yes Album up until GFTO is probably the highest point of artistry inside the commercial music industry.

    • @louise_rose
      @louise_rose Рік тому

      I first heard Tales in late 1978 (my brother had borrowed it from a friend), and got my own copy of the album in the summer of '79 (on an exchange trip vacation at Clacton-on-Sea, Suffolk - I'm from Sweden) :) Outstanding album, and The Ancient is my favourite track off it - in many ways a unique piece of music, the boldest venture on the entire album. :)
      During the same stay in Clacton I also bought a copy of Juan Mascarò's translations of the Upanishads (some complete,. some in selections) - a beautifully rendered Penguin Classics paperback that has folllowed me ever since, and which provides serious insights into the Hindu inspirations of Anderson for this album.

  • @phraenx
    @phraenx 2 роки тому +24

    Tales has always been my favourite Yes album, ever since I bought it in 1973 with the little pocket money I had. And now that I'm listening to it again after ages (because I save the best albums for very special moments), I know why again. Brilliant throughout. There's nothing here that bothers me, but endlessly to dream and revel in.
    Thank you, Doug, for making such exquisitely extended listening possible.

  • @wendellwiggins3776
    @wendellwiggins3776 2 роки тому +8

    I simply love the surreal mysteriously psychedelic essence of this journey. The world music influence truly makes it a unique adventure. Their layering of interwoven sound and overlaying of patterns is quintessential 70s YES mastery, all which transports you back or forth to another place, space and time.

  • @igormadeyski2946
    @igormadeyski2946 2 роки тому +6

    In my opinion Yes is the band that achieved the most significant goals in rock history. I would like to mention about this song: 16:14 - that particular classical guitar section, with a repetition of the two notes E-F in different octaves, is a clear self-reference to the intro of "Close to the Edge", released two years before.. Moreover the keyboard theme starting at 7:31 seems like a self-tribute, slightly changed, to the same band's "The Prophet" released in 1970.. Best band ever..

  • @Liz.Green789
    @Liz.Green789 2 роки тому +38

    Steve Howe always shines brightest when he gives us such gorgeous classical pieces. He always shines. Really good music today.

    • @SteveC-Shaman
      @SteveC-Shaman 2 роки тому +1

      He was guitarist of the year 10 times in a row and Guitar Magazine had to archive him into "all time greats" so that they could finally feature someone else. LOL

  • @samus88
    @samus88 2 роки тому +12

    I know that Yes fans (and prog rock fans in general) are pretty devided with this album. To me, it's a masterpiece and it's still my go to prog rock album. Whenever I think "i haven't heard prog in a while", I put this album on and become addicted to prog for a few weeks on end xD

  • @j.franciscorioscambre7605
    @j.franciscorioscambre7605 2 роки тому +11

    You know, I love you Doug. This piece has been thrashed for decades! And I absolutely consider it a masterpiece. Thank you!

  • @asharmstrong6730
    @asharmstrong6730 2 роки тому +21

    Primal, powerful, magnificent music.

  • @pinkyfloydyfan1
    @pinkyfloydyfan1 2 роки тому +6

    The intro with the percussions is stunning! Yes, this is experimental and… spiritual…
    Great album from a group is at the peak of their carrear.

  • @gwesleycrow
    @gwesleycrow 2 роки тому +12

    Yet another great Yes reaction Doug. I especially liked your observation that this particular piece is in the tradition of many avant-garde classical compositions. The British music critic Robert Sheldon even predicted, years ago, that "The Ancient" would be studied by future classical composers. I will never forget reading a music review of "Tales From Topographic Oceans" by the then classical music critic for Time magazine in 1974, praising Yes for their musical adventurousness in contrast to the staid, predictable world of pop/rock music. Talk about irony!

    • @louise_rose
      @louise_rose Місяць тому

      Agree, this is a very bold piece of work, brilliantly conceived and played/ improvised - and really groundbreaking in a 1970s context. I've loved and appreciated it since I first heard it around 1980, but it was only a couple of years ago that I realized how there is no doubt some inspiration from Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" behind it. They're not "nicking´his stuff", but they were aware of it at the time, there are some common traits (the polyrhythmic extravaganzas, for ínstance, and the evocation of a distant archaic past) - I do think they got a creative kick out of hearing it and felt like, "if he dared to do this, then maybe we can try it too, and over a LONG piece!".

  • @5argetech56
    @5argetech56 2 роки тому +42

    This is my favorite song on "Tales From Topographic Oceans!" Love it!

    • @Chicago_Podcast_Authority
      @Chicago_Podcast_Authority 2 роки тому +4

      Me to!!!😂❤

    • @paulcartwright6739
      @paulcartwright6739 2 роки тому +3

      Whacky as out. Mind I am biased with Alan White being a fellow North East England lad. Just liove the rhythms. The only parts he might not have wrote.

    • @paulcartwright6739
      @paulcartwright6739 2 роки тому +1

      When Yes out tool Tool

    • @Rowenband
      @Rowenband 2 роки тому +1

      Glad to see I'm not the only one…

    • @kuhnhan
      @kuhnhan 2 роки тому +2

      I like this, but I prefer all the other songs on this album. Some of this track seem to be too repetitious, kind of dragging a bit. I realize they couldn't have one side of only ten minutes long, but that would have been better for this song if they pared it down a little.

  • @marcanglin7127
    @marcanglin7127 2 роки тому +26

    Doug: "I've never heard anything like this". LOL Imagine how we felt in December 1973 !!! The section that begins with Steve's beautiful acoustic guitar @ 15:40 (aka "Leaves of Green") is a treasure played live. I had the pleasure of seeing Steve play it from a distance of about 8 feet on a solo tour in 2000, and Anderson Rabin Wakeman played it during their tour-opening show at the Hard Rock in Orlando in 2016. When Jon began singing the lyrics, there were dozens of us singing along with him, many of us with wet eyes (guilty). Yes is truly unlike any other band that I have ever heard. Enjoy !!!

    • @marcanglin7127
      @marcanglin7127 2 роки тому +2

      @@lesblatnyak5947 I could only wish, Les. I've seen them--in some iteration or another---only about 11-12 times. However, I have had the distinct pleasure to have met both Jon and Rick; Rick and I even had a delightful conversation of over 30 minutes !!! Lovely chap !!!

    • @donaldanderson6604
      @donaldanderson6604 2 роки тому +1

      Those Steve acoustic solo shows were amazing and the classical guitar on Side 3 is awesome. I got this album in December 73 and it blew my 14 year old mind. My mum bought me Brain Salad Surgery for Christmas and I was set for life.

    • @marcanglin7127
      @marcanglin7127 2 роки тому +1

      @@donaldanderson6604 The wife and I were lucky enough to get front row directly in front of Steve (as well as for Jon on the "1000 Hands tour"). WOW !!! Tales and Brain Salad Surgey---and we got them so young !!! Difficult to top those two records from there on out !!! Isn't it great ?!?

  • @itsjusterthought7941
    @itsjusterthought7941 2 роки тому +9

    The final piece, The Ritual, is by far the highlight of this prog masterpiece. I can't wait to see your reaction to that one. The mid-section features a spectacular percussive section carnival with punctuated cymbal coughs. Watching this live at launch was mind blowing. The whole band was playing percussion and cymbals in the mid-section. The drums were radiating beams of lights with dry ice rising out of the kit. But the critics slammed the work after release. Nous Somes Du Solei is the recuring melodic section that has an elegant chord sequence played on gentle flanging guitar, especially the final incarnation. But top prize goes to And You And I, then Soon, then Roundabout from other albums. Every prog band has to have their own And You And I. It's mandatory.

  • @NickStacke
    @NickStacke Рік тому +2

    Thank you Doug for your appreciation of the creative genius of Yes. This band has never been fully appreciated for their musical artistry. You do an excellent job of interpreting and analyzing their work.

  • @benho6251
    @benho6251 2 роки тому +25

    Watching this reaction video was such fun! Tales was probably the band's most anticipated release ever. It's quite gratifying to see you lending learned insight into this 50 year old masterwork and helping to keep it alive for future generations.
    I was one of the lucky fans who got to see YES perform all 4 sides of TFTO on the 3rd stop of their North American tour at Tampa Stadium, Feb. 9th, 1974. It was a heady night. The memories of that concert still resonate all these years later.

  • @louise_rose
    @louise_rose Рік тому +1

    11:10-15:15 It couldn't possibly be more neolithic, could it? As an evocation of millennia of prehistory and the dawn of culture, this is perfect! :)

  • @stoppropaganda2573
    @stoppropaganda2573 2 роки тому +29

    RIP Alan White (14 June 1949 - 26 May 2022), fantastic drummer/percussionist!

    • @timcozby
      @timcozby 2 роки тому +1

      One of the all time greats on drums for sure. Adds dynamics on almost every song they do.

  • @mattleppard1970
    @mattleppard1970 2 роки тому +5

    Brave man! The acoustic end is sublime, but I’d long dismissed the first half as chaos. Thanks for disentangling it and forcing me to hear the actual music ❤

  • @kenhaynes942
    @kenhaynes942 Рік тому +2

    The most fascinating and unapproachable Yes song of all. But Tales wouldn't be Tales without it. I absolutely love all 4 sides of Tales. It is music from beyond this world for sure!

  • @WanderfulHealingTedP
    @WanderfulHealingTedP 3 дні тому

    I saw Yes perform Tales at Madison Square Garden in 1973. The concert was wonderful. Roger Dean's stage sets were AMAZING!

  • @grantnichols4283
    @grantnichols4283 2 роки тому +2

    I love this track - always have. With your commentary, it struck me for the first time that this piece is like a Prelude, expressing many different, yet united, ideas as if offering a foretaste of a total work we sadly never get to hear. That would be scary, though wonderful.

  • @eyesofchild
    @eyesofchild 2 роки тому +12

    A true joy to walk with you hand-in-hand in listening to, Doug. You got it, already. Wrestling with the questions or “the quest” brings the Remembering of the Science of God to our daily lives. Well, the “answer” is on side 4. Yes, the questions are all here, centered on the call to unity in our shared source, not only chemically, the sun, but our souls, all dancing within the experiment our Logos carries out in our solar system. It’s not just matter. The french phrase in the 4th song, the Ritual, is meaningful on multiple levels. The music here, while the most challenging for the new listener IS doing just as you suggested. Moving, but not knowing the map, an urging sense of movement (chaotic?) is expressed over the grounding of our ancient past. It’s layers of movement. And in that, we find a stillness in our questions as we let go, accept, and incorporate Ritual into our daily lives. It wraps our shadow work in the light of our being, the light of truth, as hard as it is to see when we’re lost in the world. I love your idea on doing side 4, then revisiting all sides once again. I’m sure you’ll sense the cohesion, especially from 3 to 4. It’s miraculous. You may find that the solo guitar and the intricate rhythms are the through line. I’ve read it often that this side is the least “fat” from the pieces. I agree, but also feel the same about Ritual. Yet, there’s reason for the fat in sides 1 and 2. And a complete listen may reveal why. I’ve never heard another album like TFTO, but I’m happy I haven’t. It truly stands as a work of art which gets better and better with age, multiple listens. Enjoy the journey, no matter where you are. I’m so proud of your embracing this, even if it is challenging tonally at first listen. Much respect, and appreciation for all you do. Thank you for sharing your own insight as well!

  • @hugegnarlyeyeball
    @hugegnarlyeyeball 2 роки тому +37

    The electric guitar in the first half feels like a homage to Robert Fripp.

    • @KirkMeighooChannel
      @KirkMeighooChannel 2 роки тому +7

      Instantly reminded me of Larks' Tongues in Aspic

    • @rumourhats
      @rumourhats 2 роки тому +3

      I'm pretty sure Robert Fripp played more or less in tune.

    • @BarryChabala
      @BarryChabala 2 роки тому

      @@rumourhats MORE

    • @michaelsliwkowski5897
      @michaelsliwkowski5897 2 роки тому +1

      Fripp- but on pedal steel slide guitar, and either done "primative style" for effect or just rushed and off tune. Some bits actual sound like Adrian Belew would 8 years later, Belew used the wammy and only sometimes slide (and I really think Belew can hear Quartertones-so his "out of tune " is more controled.

    • @Bunbunfunfun
      @Bunbunfunfun Рік тому +2

      Howe was a huge fan of King Crimson and some ideas on Topo had some inspiration from the Fripp Wetton Bruford trilogy of albums. It had taken me literally decades for Howe’s playing on this album to reveal ( pun intended) themselves. Being a vocalist who dabbles in bass and keyboards that where my focus had always been. Buy my god Howe has become my fave guitarist now.

  • @Walrus1701D
    @Walrus1701D Рік тому +1

    Lifting off to their home planet 😂 Prog rock has always held a loose connection with sci fi. Nailed it with that quip!

  • @npc8348
    @npc8348 2 роки тому +33

    "The Ancient (Giants Under the Sun)" is the most emotional piece on the album, corresponding to the 3rd movement (scherzo).
    The first half of the piece begins with the sound of a gong, and as the word "scherzo" suggests, the piece develops in a humorous manner, making the listener tension, "What happens next?".
    Then, in the second half of the song, called "Leaves of Green," Steve's guitar section releases the tension at once, bringing relief and tears.
    I must say that the composition of this song is wonderful.

    • @2fs
      @2fs 2 роки тому +9

      It is the third "movement" (loaded word for Jon), but I don't think we should be thinking of "scherzo" in terms of "humorous"--mostly because this doesn't seem all that humorous at all.
      But a "scherzo" is also a change in tone--a break, a movement to a different view and world...and THAT it most certainly is.
      What this sounds and feels like to me--still, after steadily listening to it for nearly 50 years now--is musically analogous to the sort of journey or ordeal that an initiate (or, really, anyone seeking to move to the next level of life, even if that's just quotidian adulthood) must go through. What I experience listening to this is (as Doug sort of implies) a journey: unexpected, unpredictable, rather frightening at times, as if working one's way through a dark jungle, pathless (or, as another band put it, "starless"). Finally, we get to a place of rest: first, a bit uncertainly, Steve's acoustic guitar, which relatively peaceful though it is compared to the hellishness of the first half, nevertheless is a bit restless rhythmically and harmonically (that ending of each section with the sequential open major-sevenths? What a cool sound...but a bit unsettling, too...). And then, finally...we get the balm of Jon's beautiful closing section.
      My only complaint is that the piece as a whole feels a little unbalanced: the first half is so dense, it's hard for the second half not to feel like an extended coda rather than a co-equal section of the piece.
      What really sells this whole "journey through darkness" idea for me is the final section (side 4): after a slightly unsettling opening (which echoes the "journey" idea but in controlled form of the harmonic arch of the opening chords (I-V-ii-iii-IV-iii-ii), the song begins with a feeling of both triumph and anticipation: triumph due to Steve's fanfare-like guitar motif, anticipation because Chris's bass holds down the bottom on the fifth of the chord rather than the root. He also echoes the octave up-and-down theme that he used often in "The Ancient."
      Even though phrase by phrase Jon's lyrics are often impossible to parse, that his overall theme is spiritual rightness and harmony with the universe is very obvious. TfTO is, I think, a large-form piece about exactly that...and the last two parts really bring that home to me. "Nous somme du soleil" ("we are of the sun"--i.e., "we are light") is his final word here...and it's fitting that that "movement" is the one they played live most often, I think--its ending is one of the most graceful and triumphant moments in Yes's catalog.

    • @lisagulick4144
      @lisagulick4144 2 роки тому +3

      Oops, I didn't scroll down far enough...I just posted the same thing about "The Ancient" being the scherzo; I thought of it in terms of a change in tone, as Jeff pointed out.

    • @georgesonm1774
      @georgesonm1774 2 роки тому +2

      @@2fs great comment Jeff! I also think that Side 3 as a standalone piece does feel a little unbalanced - and it was a strange experience for me to listen to it now, front to back, apart from the whole album, since I usually listen to it in the context of the whole. This definitely should be listened to followed by Ritual. and what strengthens this connection with other parts of the album is, to me, Steve's wild guitar throughout where he quotes other pieces within the album (and also, at one point, Siberian Khatru?). I love the idea of this being not only a 'journey' (which it definitely is!) but a 'journey of the initiate' / the ordeal / the journey through darkness. Interesting observation about Chris' bass tying Side 4 with Side 3 - I need to keep an ear for this! I might be wrong, but my impression is that Side 3 contains the weirdest chords coming from Rick in the background mellotron parts, probably in his whole career?

    • @npc8348
      @npc8348 2 роки тому +3

      @@2fs Thanks for your reply!
      Regarding my translation of "scherzo" as "humorous", "scherzo" is the Italian word for "humorous", but I take "humorous" here (given the change in meaning from the etymology) to mean "unexpected change", which is essentially what "humorous" means.
      So I recognize that what you said about "a change in tone--a break, a movement to a different view and world" is the same as what I said.
      As for the positioning of the first half and the second half, what I am about to say is my impression.
      "The Ancient" is titled "Ancient Civilizations" in Japanese.
      The dense and chaotic melodies and octave up-down themes of the first half are reminiscent of "Ancient Super Civilizations by Giants" as the title suggests.
      In the second half, "Leves of Green," the lyrics sound like a message that history and civilization have been connected by the baton of people, but there must be a "traveling you" to tell the story.
      So I hear the first half and the second half sections as equal.
      "Ritual" has elements of the previous 1-3 movements scattered throughout ("close to..." and "Siberian..." ), and it is fun just to look for them.
      It is fun just to look for them, but it is precisely because of such a compositional structure that can be called the "sum total of the journey" that I feel that "Ritual" is both the "fourth movement" and "TFTO itself" at the same time.
      That is why I believe it is most played live; the symphonic live version from 2001 is my personal favorite.

    • @npc8348
      @npc8348 2 роки тому +3

      @@georgesonm1774 I also like the idea that Chris' bass ties side4 and side3 together.
      Although the nature of a vinyl record is limited by the fact that it switches between sides A and B, so the sound is cut off...
      If we already had CD or digital technology, I wonder if the 3rd and 4th movements of TFTO would have been as seamless as the 3rd and 4th movements of Beethoven's "Fate".

  • @yeshayahuhomberger2079
    @yeshayahuhomberger2079 2 роки тому +6

    Amazing reaction and analysis. This is the blend of rock and classical music that I love. Thx 👍💪

  • @TigerMtnKing
    @TigerMtnKing 2 роки тому +16

    They aren't hard to figure out Doug, it's simple. They're the greatest band to ever do it and who ever will, period! Genius musicians that can never be matched. In my ever so YES loving opinion.🤩

    • @markranfone6393
      @markranfone6393 2 роки тому

      bit pretentious band. but yeah they are good overall

    • @TigerMtnKing
      @TigerMtnKing 2 роки тому +3

      @@markranfone6393 I never thought of them as being pretentious, a lot of people just can't stand them but millions like me think they're the greatest band ever! To each his own.

    • @themusicfan2179
      @themusicfan2179 2 роки тому

      its a question of opinion yours! great band but me Genesis thru Duke, Dream Theater, Pink Floyd Tool before

    • @TigerMtnKing
      @TigerMtnKing 2 роки тому

      @@themusicfan2179 I believe I did say it was my opinion.

    • @themusicfan2179
      @themusicfan2179 2 роки тому

      @@TigerMtnKing where? Anyway didnt say your opinion was wrong

  • @joeharley5868
    @joeharley5868 2 роки тому +1

    I'm so pleased that you're enjoying Yes, and are willing to take us along as you discover more of their music. It's interesting that you say that "it would be an Odyssey" to listen to all four sides, because I want to recommend an album by David Bedford, called 'The Odyssey'. Bedford was a fairly avant-garde composer who also collaborated with Mike Oldfield. Oldfield played on some of these tracks, which are Bedford's musical interpretation of the poem. I think that you would find this interesting, and enjoyable.

  • @yes_head
    @yes_head 2 роки тому +22

    Aaaaand, he went there. "The Ancient" is in my Top 5 Yes songs. Easily. But as crazy as this music is Doug, just think about how Yes then went out and played it all live! 😳 Yes got so slagged for this when it came out, but I think they got the last laugh.
    "It's a little hard to follow." Yep, said every person who heard this for the first time. Repeat listens will help. Many of them. And you're right that Jon is asking some big questions, bless him. Ain't no four-bar blues love songs.
    This Steven Wilson remix creates a LOT more separation between the instruments, which I'm generally OK with except for the way he exposed the Mellotron parts. I prefer that to be a bit more submerged in the mix. But thanks for the reaction, Doug. On to side 4, which is the Chris and Alan show. Can't wait!

    • @hurdygurdyguy1
      @hurdygurdyguy1 2 роки тому +3

      I agree.. I mostly like Wilson's remixes but sometimes renders the music a bit sterile when parts are too articulated.. I'm preferring the original mix...

    • @davidperry7128
      @davidperry7128 11 місяців тому

      Steve and Jon gave them their moment in the sun, TfTO is definitely the Anderson/Howe show and lasting masterpiece.

  • @neuronix65
    @neuronix65 2 роки тому +8

    I love this reaction. Yes always giving us surprises...

  • @jeffburgess4589
    @jeffburgess4589 2 роки тому +5

    I have eaten crow before, and with the right sauce, it’s not the worst dish. Had not listened to all of side three for over a decade, only Leaves of Green. I have never been so wrong in my life. Doug’s breakdown got me to understand and APPRECIATE this great epic from the world’s greatest band in their prime.
    Thank you for this, Doug.

    • @barrypeirson3710
      @barrypeirson3710 2 роки тому +1

      Howe's lap steel parts in the beginning are sublime.
      Alan and Chris aren't too shabby either.
      The middle section is a gradual development. But excellent nonetheless.
      This is my favorite record of all time and it's not even close.
      Don't b hard on yourself for not liking side 3 at first.
      Sides1, 2 and 4 have a much more immediate effect.
      And..
      You've come around!

  • @Lightmane
    @Lightmane 2 роки тому +54

    Doug, let me give you a quote by my father, who was an artist, an experimentalist, that this music reminds me of: "I was trying to expand the medium of painting. Above all I wanted to do away with "good composition". I aimed at breaking down form. I changed the shape of the work and quit relying on frames. I aspired to total hysteria."

    • @georgesonm1774
      @georgesonm1774 2 роки тому +3

      that's a fitting quote! can I ask you - what was your father's name? Can any of his works be found on the internet?

    • @Lightmane
      @Lightmane 2 роки тому +4

      @@georgesonm1774 I left a comment twice now, letting you know where you can find him, but I guess yt deletes comments now that mention other places. His name was Tristan Meinecke. You can find him here, among other places. Enjoy : )

    • @misterghee1
      @misterghee1 2 роки тому

      Yes Sir I understand I feel I gues hahaaa total respect, cheers Doug

    • @misterghee1
      @misterghee1 2 роки тому

      It's to the fishes,,,,

    • @georgesonm1774
      @georgesonm1774 2 роки тому +1

      @@Lightmane thank you! I will look him up

  • @MarcMartino
    @MarcMartino 2 роки тому +10

    First time I've ever heard this piece. Loved it.

  • @TheReaperMan275
    @TheReaperMan275 2 роки тому +2

    Sun worship has always been a recurring theme with Jon Anderson's lyrics. He sings about this subject ALOT! "Heart of the Sunrise" being a prime example. The next track is called "Ritual (Nous Sommes du Soleil)" which is French for "We are of the Sun". "The Ancient" is considered by many to be the most challenging track to listen to and the most inaccessible to the casual listener. Most Yes fans, if they like _Topographic Oceans_ at all, prefer the first and last tracks on the album: "Revealing Science", and "Ritual". Personally I enjoy all of it but I think "The Remembering" contains some of the most beautiful music Yes ever composed. Very nice reaction, Doug. Yes is my favorite band and I always look forward to watching your reactions and analysis of this extraordinary music. ☀🌞🌝🌜⭐⭐

  • @JohnnyTronny19841
    @JohnnyTronny19841 2 роки тому +1

    "Sounds like Chris is starting his bass; like my old lawnmower" - I can't stop laughing. Thank you for that and everything really

  • @marinhrabric6162
    @marinhrabric6162 2 роки тому +5

    I love that little ode to Close To The Edge at 16:15. I always pay extra attention for that part

  • @jackkilman8726
    @jackkilman8726 2 роки тому +3

    The look of combined confusion and delight on your face as you say "I don't know what to make of it" is priceless

  • @elfensteen5222
    @elfensteen5222 2 роки тому +2

    I like the way you tell about this masterpiece of music from Yes Doug
    every time I hear this piece of music it makes me feel so small as a human being on this earth, and it's almost 50 years ago when I heard this for the first time, it still amaze me today.. Thanks !

  • @vickiconley3638
    @vickiconley3638 2 роки тому +3

    I can tell you as a child of 70's music in real time that there was lots of experimentation with differing sounds, and different instrumentation. The same was true for lyrics that had hope for a brighter future with lots of philosophical ideas.

  •  2 роки тому

    Thank you again. Your smile on the acoustic part was the same smile that I draw on my face when I was young and listen that beautiful music. My school mates was into Technotronic and that kind of stuff, and my stuff was and is, Pink Floyd, Yes, Emerson, Leppard, Beatles... And now is the same... I go back to the classics everytime. I loved that one. Congrats Mr. Doug.

  • @dejardann
    @dejardann 2 роки тому +3

    Obrigado, Doug. Há quase um ano sugeri que você ouvisse The Ancient. Finalmente atendeu ao pedido, foi maravilhosa a sua reação. Que prazer nos deu em ouvir Yes juntos.

  • @rogerpitcher6540
    @rogerpitcher6540 2 роки тому +13

    This has never sounded so clean.

  • @sspbrazil
    @sspbrazil 2 роки тому +18

    I always say it, Tales gets a lot of flack, but it’s still one of my favorite YES albums and I don’t care what anyone says.

  • @IvorPresents
    @IvorPresents 2 роки тому +5

    One had expressed before, that this album is a four movement symphony. It makes sense.

  • @SonOfWāt
    @SonOfWāt 2 роки тому +2

    This has always been one of my favourite Yes pieces. ❤ ❤ ❤ Simply brilliant.

  • @JoseSantos-eg2oz
    @JoseSantos-eg2oz 2 роки тому +3

    It's the first Yes song I ever heard in my life. I was six or seven. An awesome experience... This, among your reactions, is by far the one I have enjoyed the most. I knew that song spoke to my soul all my life and I am glad it hit the right chords in you. Thank you Doug.

    • @georgesonm1774
      @georgesonm1774 2 роки тому

      wow man, you have wonders to discover ahead of you

    • @JoseSantos-eg2oz
      @JoseSantos-eg2oz 2 роки тому +1

      @@reinaldofavoreto7160 I had to be more specific, I think. Thanks for the thought.

    • @JoseSantos-eg2oz
      @JoseSantos-eg2oz 2 роки тому +2

      @@georgesonm1774 I had to be more specific, I think. Thanks for the thought.

  • @martinhodgson2303
    @martinhodgson2303 2 роки тому

    The whole album is incredible Doug, I've been listening to it since its release in 1974 and I never tire of it. My favourite album ever. And side 4 is sublime so can't wait for you to listen to that!

  • @ImYourOverlord
    @ImYourOverlord 2 роки тому +6

    Take your time with this album, with each side. Savor all of it.

  • @TheRoboticFerret
    @TheRoboticFerret 2 роки тому +1

    "like going in search of something but feeling grounded and stationary at the same time" sounds like meditation! :)

  • @ontherun9510
    @ontherun9510 2 роки тому +4

    First rock album I ever bought with my own money at 14. My elder brother had CTTE. Bought Relayer the week after. Genesis record were already in the house tough.

  • @grahamhowes6904
    @grahamhowes6904 2 роки тому +11

    Exciting project emerging is Jon Anderson working with Band Geeks who are top level pros who have done some brilliant tribute videos and they are touring with Jon in US early 2023.

    • @lindazee
      @lindazee 2 роки тому

      Can't wait!

    • @junejanna
      @junejanna 2 роки тому

      I so hope they'll continue their tour in the UK and Europe afterwards! 🙂

  • @adrianking475
    @adrianking475 2 роки тому +9

    Great stuff- the only symphony ever composed by a rock band

  • @RichNosowicz
    @RichNosowicz 2 роки тому +1

    I can't wait for your video on Ritual. For so long it has remained my favourite Yes track, and it's an amazing journey to end what has been an odyssey of an album. Nous Somme du Soleil

  • @hustonbop
    @hustonbop 2 роки тому +8

    There’s so much here that it overwhelms the listener UNTIL it reaches the acoustic section, but isn’t that life? Much about life is overwhelming until we reach that quiet place in our hearts, our souls, our consciousness… much to ponder, much to resolve…

  • @159awi
    @159awi 2 роки тому +1

    This is one of my favorite albums to this very day.

  • @PrimRoseLane
    @PrimRoseLane 2 роки тому

    "You are just along for the ride". Excellent summary of the total album experience. "Where are we going" is... towards side four.

  • @erikmeulenbeld7428
    @erikmeulenbeld7428 2 роки тому +4

    Hi Doug,
    Such a great listening and interpretation by you again. Fan of Yes from 1971. This is an album always discussion about. Musically a highlight in history of progrock/symphonic rock. Thank you so much for giving this great kind of music a really chance on the channel...:)

  • @shenzhen2112
    @shenzhen2112 2 роки тому +8

    YES is the reason I never did drugs in high school. Their music alone can put me in an altered state of consciousness.

  • @markjohnson4217
    @markjohnson4217 2 роки тому

    Thanks for diving into 'Tales'..This one of the four always seemed the most convoluted. But I love the first 6 min or so, and the changes are startling and exotic. The point that I start feeling lost in the sauce is about two thirds into it, exactly the same time that you started looking dismayed and said " where are we going?" Lol...
    Then there is that classical guitar work at the end....my god what a beautiful piece from Steve. I think it still stands as his finest moment on the nylon string acoustic, even more so than 'Mood for a Day".
    The last of the four epics, 'Ritual', I must say, knocks it out of the park for this album, they close with the greatest of the four.

  • @sianpodmore4988
    @sianpodmore4988 2 роки тому +4

    It took me quite a long time to come to terms with this section, until I saw the whole of TFFO performed live and there were visual references to the sounds and rituals of other cultures, then it clicked into place and I could just relax and let it happen (but don't ask me to analyse why - I couldn't tell you). I find that section absolutely fascinating now. I look forward to playing your reactions to all 4 movements back to back one (or more) day in the future. I think this is my all time favourite album, certainly top 3. TFFO isn't just a piece of music. Immersed in it, it can become an intensely spiritual. If you've ever had a deep meditation experience, words become very much like Jon's lyrics, poetic and imaginal as the boundries to things beyond words fall away, but don't necessarily make straightforward sense in the ordinary world.

  • @georgetatum3795
    @georgetatum3795 2 роки тому +6

    The acoustic guitar playing on this side is simply beautiful.

  • @kennethenos2716
    @kennethenos2716 2 роки тому +12

    I was not having a very smiley Friday 😔😠
    -until I watched THIS 🥰✌
    Btw, nobody has yet mentioned that Genesis created The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway around the same time.
    also a double album of epic groundbreaking material that resulted in key members' departures, harshly criticized,
    way ahead of its time,
    equally weird & wonderful,
    and equally treasured by the true fans,
    and them fools went out on Tour and played the entire sprawling symphony on their unsuspecting audience,
    just like YES did 🥴😝 OOPS 🙈
    : Cosmic Co-inky-dink 🤔

    • @Arrow2theACL
      @Arrow2theACL 2 роки тому +1

      Doug reacted to Lamb Lies Down On Broadway in its entirety on Pateron.

  • @TheProgCorner
    @TheProgCorner 2 роки тому +2

    This is Yes at their most difficult. But I love it!!! Tales From Topographic Oceans is my all time favorite LP.

  • @Plantagenet1956
    @Plantagenet1956 Рік тому

    Hey Doug, the album, Tales, you’ll be glad to hear, will be added to my Playlist, Great Rock Music.

  • @saurian11
    @saurian11 2 роки тому +3

    Great reaction, Doug! I can't wait for you to hear "Ritual-Nous Sommes Du Soleil" You've got to hear Jon sing the first " Nous Sommes Du Soleil" section! It's absolutely Gorgeous!!!! A perfect closer for the double album!

  • @mftubeyou
    @mftubeyou 2 роки тому +1

    What an awesome reaction Doug! Thank you. Not all can grasp this album, but being a classical composer surely makes it much easier. I've listened to it and loved it since its release when I was 18 yrs old and never tire of it. On the contrary, as with classical masterpieces like the Mahler symphonies you hear and notice new aspects every time

  • @nicksodano4762
    @nicksodano4762 Рік тому

    So much fun to watch you struggle thru your 1sr listen because it reminds me that i too once puzzled over what I was listening to but came back again and again

  • @lovergirl1960
    @lovergirl1960 Рік тому

    This has been my very favorite works by yes . Getting lost in it scene 73 but never once listed to giants not once, I can tell you every word to all the other 3 sides. I am hearing it for the fist time . I think it’s awesome that I found a new piece to me that is at this late in life. Love it!!!!

  • @MissingMars
    @MissingMars 2 роки тому

    YES is & always will be the masters of experimental music -at times not even prog! Such a treat for us all -thanks much Doug for doing ur channel!

  • @philbrowning1187
    @philbrowning1187 2 роки тому +6

    I saw Yes play this album live from start to finish at the Free Trade Hall in Manchester UK, I think it was 1974 (after a bit of research, it was Nov 1973). It was the famous gig during which Rick Wakeman had his roadie get a takeaway from the local Indian restaurant. Rick had large spells where he had nothing to play and the cartons of food were spread along the top of his keyboards.

  • @TheAmazingSpaghetti
    @TheAmazingSpaghetti 2 роки тому +3

    Billy Sherwood's fave Yes album. Completely unique. Been listening to it since 84' for a reason.

    • @georgesonm1774
      @georgesonm1774 2 роки тому

      that's interesting! Considering the Yes albums where Billy was involved, I wouldn't really imagine that - but it was probably unfair of me!

  • @YusufKucuk
    @YusufKucuk 2 роки тому +2

    YES and their all masterpieces are universal I believe. Every time you listen, you discover something new, new theme, new spirit, new harmony. This is an endless experiment, keep listen to it..

  • @Rowenband
    @Rowenband 2 роки тому +1

    Certainly one of my three preffered Yes tracks, if not the favorite. The others being Ritual and The Gates of Delirium. I never get tired of those. Always somethning new to discover. Thanks also to people like you, dear Doug.

  • @AMROU76
    @AMROU76 16 днів тому

    How much I like Doug hearing our favorite odd songs !

  • @billyh4068
    @billyh4068 2 роки тому +8

    The opening line could be said of you, Doug: "As one with the knowledge, and magic of the source; attuned to the majesty of music..." 🎼

  • @comvoice
    @comvoice 5 місяців тому

    This is by far my favorite song on the album because its complexity, This was a go-to in college at night, headphones on and I was mesmerized. At this point I have all of the musical parts memorized and because of my familiarity it all makes *sense.*

  • @patricknicolucci5073
    @patricknicolucci5073 2 роки тому +4

    Ritual is my favorite side of the albums amazing music!! I can't wait to see your reaction Doug.

    • @bernecomp
      @bernecomp 2 роки тому +2

      I would say Ritual is the strongest of the four sides. Saw Yes do it at the Hollywood Bowl in the early 2000s. Chris was strutting around the stage and banging away on the drums along with Alan during the climax. They did a great Gates of Delirium as well. What a night! Took one of my teenage sons and he was sold on Yes after that.

    • @NGC6144
      @NGC6144 2 роки тому +2

      The live version from Yesshows is way better despite the poor audio mix. I find the album version lackluster.

  • @secretgardenpoetrybyfredbe4181
    @secretgardenpoetrybyfredbe4181 2 роки тому

    I have now rediscovered my original love for this album. thank you for playing the first three sides, looking forward to side 4 in the future.

  • @Lightmane
    @Lightmane 2 роки тому +10

    26:24 Rick left, but came back after 'Relayer', cause Jon called him and played for him 'Wonderous Stories' over the phone. Rick said when he heard it, it was one of the most beautiful songs he ever heard, so he came back.
    Edit: I got this partly wrong. Jon called him and sent him a cassette. I included a link in this comment stream, of Rick telling what happened

    • @billyh4068
      @billyh4068 2 роки тому

      Okay, but that's Going For the One, not Tales From Topographic Oceans.

    • @Lightmane
      @Lightmane 2 роки тому +2

      @@billyh4068 I know. I meant that he was only gone for 1 album

    • @bernecomp
      @bernecomp 2 роки тому +1

      I don't know but I always assumed that Wonderous Stories was also based on Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi as well. Would be ironic if true.

    • @Lightmane
      @Lightmane 2 роки тому

      @and321now ua-cam.com/video/NZQA-qjspFQ/v-deo.html

    • @Lightmane
      @Lightmane 2 роки тому +1

      @and321now Sorry, I got it partly wrong. He said Jon called him. I didn't remember the rest accurately

  • @ericwigart2861
    @ericwigart2861 11 днів тому

    I’ve always related the whole Tales From Topographic Oceans to a symphony based on the artistic drawings on the cover, ancient religions as well as the evolution of Christianity - on top of that a universal spiritual way of interpreting it! Weird, but wonderful and beautiful - just like the unique Yes members❗️😎

  • @stevetourigny3849
    @stevetourigny3849 2 роки тому

    I first listened to Tales around 1974…made it though sides 1 & 2 but got lost on this side (#3). Did not revisit it until ~1995! At that time I finally was able to comprehend the complexity and appreciate the total work. To this day, side #1 is one of my favorite pieces by Yes.

  • @johnspencer6504
    @johnspencer6504 2 роки тому +5

    Can you imagine what effect this album had on a 20 year old kid from the UK when this came out. I had all their other albums when this came out in 1973 .its still one of my favourite album's

    • @Russell_G
      @Russell_G 2 роки тому

      Why yes...yes I can, I was just 15 when my mates older brother challenged me with. 'So you like Close To The Edge huh? Ok try this!!'.....took me a couple of listens but dayam I was in!

  • @gthobaben
    @gthobaben 2 роки тому +2

    It’s a good day! New Louis Cole record. Doug reacting to Yes deep cuts. Life is good.

  • @RafaelPaiola
    @RafaelPaiola 2 роки тому +5

    After listening to this one lots and lots of times, it became if not my favourite yes songs, at least the one that i find more interesting. It's one of those special pieces that hide many secrets, and you must kinda look very hard to discover and understand them, but at the same time, they were there for your appreciation all the time.

    • @georgesonm1774
      @georgesonm1774 2 роки тому +2

      yeah! definitely a 'grower'. I've had a very similar experience with this one (and Side 2 as well)

    • @RafaelPaiola
      @RafaelPaiola 2 роки тому +1

      @@georgesonm1774 everything is special, structure, texture, timbres, mood, but the guitar lines catch me every time. howe's creativity at it's peak!

  • @sidlevy7828
    @sidlevy7828 2 роки тому

    So fun watching you "get this" piece after the long journey to get here. Looking forward to the epic side four with you'all

  • @jimstrain9230
    @jimstrain9230 2 роки тому +11

    I've heard this album referred to as the "Beethoven's 9th" of the modern age !

  • @smutnamezatka
    @smutnamezatka Рік тому

    Love the Topographic Tales! All 4 of them. But this one is really sth different. When the mosaic (chaotic) part comes in, u dont listen or follow the harmony really, youre supposed to soak in the ATMOSPHERE of this, and thats amazing, layered, just great.

  • @thegreypigeon
    @thegreypigeon 2 роки тому

    Brilliant Doug, I enjoyed listening to this with you. Chris trying to start his bass...ha ha... completely different .that's it even all these years later. It is still unusual but gripping.

  • @michaelbenz8092
    @michaelbenz8092 2 роки тому +1

    I really like what Doug says about the pacing and spaciousness and interlocking layers. That's the key that was totally lacking for me on this album when I first heard it, but when I got the key after a few listens (though I couldn't put it into words like Doug), the ride became so much fun.

  • @michaelromeo4601
    @michaelromeo4601 Рік тому

    I get such joy watching you react to the music that I grew up on and it proves to me that great musicians create great music and while eating alot of mushrooms 🍄, according to Eddie who produced the yes music

  • @estefaniasucre6966
    @estefaniasucre6966 2 роки тому

    I've waited for this for so long!!! The whole Tales is Yes' big Masterpiece. Thanks for the reaction and for appreciating what fantastic composition it is, Doug!

  • @dudleylitz7369
    @dudleylitz7369 2 роки тому +5

    Leaves of Green was featured within their live rendition of RITUAL through RELAYER tour!

  • @jms-po7tn
    @jms-po7tn 2 роки тому

    When Tales is listened to as the whole thing, a journey, A Venture, the last passage of Ritual will stay with you forever. And every listen just gets better.

  • @gwts1171
    @gwts1171 2 роки тому +9

    I've always thought that this track has a Zappa feel to it. Like they're just throwing all of their ideas into a blender and seeing what comes out. That's all a compliment, by the way.

    • @georgesonm1774
      @georgesonm1774 2 роки тому

      Interesting association! Although I don't really recall a Zappa track ever being this dark and demented at the same time. I always thought of this as being King Crimson- inspired (although this is likely more far-out than KC had ever be?)

    • @Plasmariel
      @Plasmariel Рік тому

      @@georgesonm1774 Dark and demented? What have you heard of Zappa?

  • @Jay-iq5zu
    @Jay-iq5zu 2 роки тому

    This was never my favorite album but I'm enjoying your analysis and finding new things to appreciate. Chris's bass is great on this track.
    I enjoy the last track (Ritual: Nous Sommes du Soleil) the most, probably because it is the most conventional, "Yes" sounding song on this album.