@Galaxy Being I don't hate anyone who isn't being cruel. The struggle for meaning can't be escaped, fortunately or unfortunately. It's our very nature. But meaning is something projected or created, rather than something discovered or deduced. And I actually believe it is good to suspend the struggle from time to time, to allow yourself to feel the ground state of meaninglessness, of a default Universe without purpose. To at least momentarily perceive things as themselves, without category or interpretation or signification or relation; to let things be without telling yourself what they are. It's surprising what a struggle it is to release yourself from the struggle, even for a short while. And what's even more surprising, if you're successful, is when you find the exercise has only created yet more, and perhaps deeper, meaning.
@Galaxy Being Mathematics provides perhaps the most secure footing for asserting an independent existence for some sort of meaning, but even within a Platonist fortress there are weaknesses. For instance, Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems unequivocally establishes the existence of true but unprovable, and thus underivable, statements in any formal logical system. This should worry those who believe we "discover" truths through mathematics, especially since his theorems also imply there are an infinite number of such statements.
@Galaxy Being Questions of intent are difficult to avoid with Zoviet France. A former partner of mine who had to put up with hearing it all the time said that their music sounded like it "was made by nobody". I would also say it seems to be made for no one. It's purpose is mysterious, yet it seems purposeful. It's not entirely random or even atonal. It almost seems to be made for itself; like it's talking to itself, and we just happen to overhear it. It cares nothing for our expectations of melody, harmony or rhythm; yet there are moments and aspects of it that allow us to feel there is a melody or harmony or rhythm occurring. But it's more like seeing faces in clouds than apprehending anything intentional. And I have to say that, at their best, Zoviet France did it like no other, not even the Great Eno. There is a quality to tracks like this I cannot put adequately into words. The defiance of language seems core to its raison d'etre.
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One of the most necessary things I've ever heard. An entire religion could be formed around this one track.
well spoken, my good sir :)
There is nothing like early ZF, one of the most original bands to ever take the stand.
Excellent...!!!
Beautiful Stuff. Great to hear this again... Thank You!
A great comment on the eternal struggle for meaning
Or on the meaninglessness of any struggle for meaning.
@Galaxy Being Because meaning has no existence beyond our struggle to discern it.
@Galaxy Being I don't hate anyone who isn't being cruel. The struggle for meaning can't be escaped, fortunately or unfortunately. It's our very nature. But meaning is something projected or created, rather than something discovered or deduced.
And I actually believe it is good to suspend the struggle from time to time, to allow yourself to feel the ground state of meaninglessness, of a default Universe without purpose. To at least momentarily perceive things as themselves, without category or interpretation or signification or relation; to let things be without telling yourself what they are.
It's surprising what a struggle it is to release yourself from the struggle, even for a short while. And what's even more surprising, if you're successful, is when you find the exercise has only created yet more, and perhaps deeper, meaning.
@Galaxy Being Mathematics provides perhaps the most secure footing for asserting an independent existence for some sort of meaning, but even within a Platonist fortress there are weaknesses. For instance, Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems unequivocally establishes the existence of true but unprovable, and thus underivable, statements in any formal logical system. This should worry those who believe we "discover" truths through mathematics, especially since his theorems also imply there are an infinite number of such statements.
@Galaxy Being Questions of intent are difficult to avoid with Zoviet France. A former partner of mine who had to put up with hearing it all the time said that their music sounded like it "was made by nobody". I would also say it seems to be made for no one. It's purpose is mysterious, yet it seems purposeful. It's not entirely random or even atonal. It almost seems to be made for itself; like it's talking to itself, and we just happen to overhear it. It cares nothing for our expectations of melody, harmony or rhythm; yet there are moments and aspects of it that allow us to feel there is a melody or harmony or rhythm occurring. But it's more like seeing faces in clouds than apprehending anything intentional.
And I have to say that, at their best, Zoviet France did it like no other, not even the Great Eno. There is a quality to tracks like this I cannot put adequately into words. The defiance of language seems core to its raison d'etre.
brilliant track used on my recent Wreck This Mess radio show: Wreck Walk www.mixcloud.com/wreckthismess/wreck-walk-1178/
as good as a lug nut and as quiet as maple syrup
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