The Vanity Of Viserra Targaryen (Jaehaerys Reign) Game Of Thrones History & Lore
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Viserra Targaryen was much like her elder sister, how she knew how to play Jaehaerys in such a way to get away with it. Her Mother Queen Alyssane was not so easily fooled. But this tale of one teenager Vanity only has one end. In the muddy streets of kings landing, no such fate any princess should have found herself in. Much if the information has come from The World Of Ice and Fire as well as fire and blood, set in geroge r r matrins World Of Westeros.
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Poor Queen Alysanne...I can't even imagine losing so many of your children, she must have felt so alone and sad and knowing that she will never see Saera again. No parent should have to go through that.
It really is quite tragic when you consider how many children they actually had. To have so many die so young is not just unfortunate but unlikely too. It must of been very hard thing to process
Saera was a whore, grieve for the other children. Jaehaerys was right
Alysanne shouldn’t have betrothed her to an ugly old man then!
She was a bad mother. Marrying your daughters off to old men
HBO needs to do a series about King Jaehaerys & Queen Alysanne. They had a crazy wild family of 10 kids, theres so much juicy material here, it writes itself! Jae/Aly/ crazy daughters = solid gold TV!
If they ever do a spin off for them it has to be around that era where they have 10 kids running about then seeing them slowly die of. Could lead into HOTD nicely
That would be a nice family drama show.
The violence would probably be toned down a bit since the majority of Jaehaerys’s reign was peaceful. I wouldn’t mind though because he’s one of my favorite kings.
Why was an old, widowed man the choice for Viserra? I would imagine that both Jaehaerys and Alysanne were not looking for the heir to a House to have dragon blood. Lord Manderly already had heirs and had a rich port by then and besides it was well thought of by the Queen herself, Viserra having children with that Lord could have been a way of extending the family, formalising alliances and possible future marriages (echoing Daella and Rodrick, and Lord Arryn had previous children, but even so, Daella was presented with options before, I suppose it was probably this case that inspired them to follow the same course) without having to face another established House with Valyrian blood, they already had the Velaryons in their confidence for that.
And the Celtigars
Why not there other Daughter Daella married too already Oldman & Fathered Children Rodrick Arryn aslong its a Great Lords and the reason why Corlys was been married into any Daughters of Jaehaerys is Priorities Corlys is busy accumulating Glorys & Riches From himself thats why he did not show any interest to Princess Daella when they meet . when finally approach & offered marriage by Princess Rhaenys Corlys Achieve his Goals and Celtigars are not important they are Boofons in the eyes of Houses of Targaryen & Velaryon.
It makes no sense to marry her to the old man and not the heir. Your theory is good
@@redadmiralofvalyria867 She could have married his heir or grandson. Not a fat old man. She had terrible parents, the one who did best became a prostitute
Jaehaerys and Alysanne seem to enjoy marrying their daughters to older men
Often widowed as well. It ironic that Alysanne's love of making marriages laid part of the groundwork that lead to the Dance Of The Dragons. She inadvertently created two powerfull factions.
@@WorldOfWesteros exactly, plus it also led to some of their deaths, like tragic Viserra here
@@WorldOfWesteros in real medieval times when a person is age 14 or 16 is eligible for marriage
@@Brandonhayhew She was a bad mother. Marrying your daughters off to old men
@@rosanaconta3416 so what. medieval nobles often arranged marriages for political or gains. if you were a commoner then it would be normal to marry another commoner. a noble cant marry a commoner.
That betrothal made no sense to me. Atleast engage her to manderly's heir so the targs have a hold on the only city in the north.
👏👏👏 It makes no sense to marry her to the old man and not the heir
Why waste Viserra on an old Manderly lord, who had one foot in the grave already. Why not promise her to a young Stark, Lannister, Tyrell, or even a Martell (which would have probably brought them into the realm a hundred years earlier than they did). And wasn't Aemon still alive at the time, so how was Viserra gonna become queen by marrying Baelon. Unless she would have had Aemon killed. I'm sure even Corlys was still single at this time too.
When you brake it down there really is a lot a flaws in the idea of marrying her to Maderly. Maybe it's the fact fire and blood is a history book and a lot of finer details are missing. But on there surface level it does seem a bit of a strange choice
Giving dragon blood to a major house that were kings until you got there is a horrendous idea. Giving said dragon blood to a lesser house who’s far less powerful, and to a man who may die before he fathers any children, secures the safety of Targ power and keeps dragon controlling powers out of the hands of anyone who may actually be able to challenge Targs. Especially since Viserra wanted to be queen and would use her husband’s powers to their fullest extent.
Can you imagine what would have happened if a Stark had a dragon and the entire north rallied behind them? It could end or hugely damage the dynasty
@@emilybarclay8831 A Stark child with a dragon is no different from a Manderly child with a dragon. With that power who's too say said lesser house won't be tempted to overthrow their liege lords someday. i.e the Manderly's attempt to usurp the Starks because of their blood connections to the kings. Remember the tale of Hugh the Hammer. There are what ifs in just about every scenario.
Dragon blood means nothing without a dragon. And all the dragons are South in Kingslanding. Viserra was a prized Targaryen princess (said to be the must beautiful of Jaeherys daughters) they was basically going to waste. The Dynasty was still in its infancy (less than 100 years old) and needed to form bridges with greater houses. The Tyrells owed their passion and power to the Targaryens. The Tyrell heir would have been the best match for her.
@@thegreatpage5912 if you’re going to marry a daughter to another family, marrying them to a family with little influence in the area and who is not very loved or trusted by their neighbours is the best bet. House Manderly does not elicit much loyalty in the north, Start does. That’s the difference
@@emilybarclay8831 Even if that is the case, marrying your daughter to a 9,000 year old man is throwing your prized flower in the dirt as Olenna Tyrell would say. Virginity was a prized commodity in this world. If your going to marry her into a minor house, you could at the very less chose one with a young able bodied lord.
Also for a character like Alyssane who is a known feminist who values her daughters rights and opinions. This seems a little out of character for her.
I am confused as to why Alysanne outright infers that Baelon will be king with Aemon, Jocelyn and Rhaenys existing? She is basically saying that Aemon will not have any male children with Jocelyn and that Rhaenys would naturally not come before Baelon, so why does she quarrel with Jaehaerys for putting Baelon first later on when its what she thinks anyway?
Hmmmmm I think it was more the IDEA of excluding them based SOLELY on their sex
While I do agree, it seemed she'd not seem to notice her son having male heirs, I do believe it was mostly that they were being excluded cause they were women
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That final speech. Oof. Jahearys hit the nail on the coffin. Even though he’s harsh, he speaks the truth. Serra is as much a Targaryen as Sansa Stark is a Stark. (I used Sansa as although she is technically born a Stark, she never showed any interest to the North)
Definitely, there is a lot of similarities between them. For me they both have the sense of entitlement.
Facts spoke nothing but through she was blinded by motherly love and grief
Ouch. Even in Games of Thrones, women can't handle the truth.
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True... well, some of them. We've got entitled women and some foolish men. Theirs is our world but magical.
@@thalmoragent9344 She could have married his heir or grandson. Not a fat old man. She had terrible parents, the one who did best became a prostitute .
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Jaehaerys in his bed mistook Alicent for Saera, do you remember that chapter ? don't you think that Alicent might be her granddaughter ? i suppose hightowers helped Saera in return Saera would give them a targaryen child.
I’d have to look into it a bit more timeline wise but we know it’s something the Hightower’s would they and do. I’m very much on the fence with the theory but like the idea of it
Or maybe an old, broken and half-blind Jaehaerys confused a young girl that showed him kindness in his old age with a daughter that had got away and broke him years ago, and who, despite his harshness, he probably still loved
@@sergeant_chris6209 Oh for sure. How many daughters did he have and the one he called out for on his deathbed was the promiscuous one? He made mistakes as a father but he did love his children. Saera just hurt him so bad.
@@NRV0 She could have married his heir or grandson. Not a fat old man. She had terrible parents, the one who did best became a prostitute
@@sergeant_chris6209 She could have married his heir or grandson. Not a fat old man. She had terrible parents, the one who did best became a prostitute
Technically saera did not try to steal a dragon the dragons belong to house targeryen she part of house targeryen
Technically correct she in theory didn’t actually do anything wrong, but I don’t think Jaehaerys was in the mood for technicality’s
Yeah, whoever wrote it picked his words carefully to frame Saera in the bad and her father in the good.
But Jaeherys is the head of House Targaryen and thus dictates who should be granted a dragon and Saera was jus not capable enough like her older three siblings nor was she trustworthy to hold one . I don’t doubt that they would’ve given her one once they thought she was more responsible to keep one but they saw how selfish she was .
That's like saying a teenager didn't steal the family car because she's part of the family.
@@LyricalXilence no matter how many people drive the car who ever name is on the title own the car a dragon as no car and the dragon choose the rider so she didn't steal anything
It always happens during the hour of the wolf
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Totally botched situation by Alyssane honestly. Really badly handled.
Jaehaerys is my boy. He didn't cave into his wife's irrational emotions. It was harsh but true.
i think he was one of the few kings who just did what had to be done, even if it meant upsetting those close to him
Uh no, he had irrational emotions as well, he was just a man who was angry and used that as a shield to not deal with the consequences. Despite everything he never saw Alysanne as a true equal and it cost him years of loneliness, regret, and the loss of Dragons
And get that 'irrational emotions' misogyny bullshit out of here. She was smart enough to be a Grandmaester and saw the signs in Viserra before Jaehaerys did. He always underestimated his younger daughters and never listened to Alysanne about it resulting in losing all of them
@@samiai8905 Well too bad she was far too emotional to run a kingdom forreal.
@@WorldOfWesteros She had terrible parents, the one who did best became a prostitute