Zoo Elephants : The Elephant in the Room - the fifth estate
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- From 2012, Bob Mckeown looks at the bitter fight over elephants in captivity and what zoos will do to keep them. Weighing in on this controversy are Hollywood stars like Bob Barker and William Shatner, who are out to rescue aging elephants from Canada's cold climes and move them to an animal sanctuary in Northern California where they can peacefully live out their lives.
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Bob Barker .. "well I have $830,000 and i'll be glad to help move them". What an amazing man
That guy that wishes to keep Lucy needs to get rid of his obsession with her. Without meaning to sound crass, if Lucy dies on the way to the sanctuary than you have put her out of the misery that you have subjected her to for all these years. Lucy goes, either way it is a win, win. This man should be ashamed of himself, selfish beyond description. It is beyond despicable to keep such a large animal in isolation and engaged. My suggestion is to move Lucy out of her cage and put her keeper in it. Se how he feels about being locked up. It is like jailing animals who have committed no crime, never mind jailing them, throwing them into isolation for life. Extremely inhumane.
Watching the videos of sanctuary elephants, it really strikes you how much more likely they are. Zoo elephants give the impression that they only move slowly, lethargically. Are zoo elephants all depressed?
Or Lucy could turn on those zoo keepers. Because elephants can be vengeful.
millana hmm, I think he needs to get on tinder.
The height of human arrogance. It's not recommended for people who often choose not time interact...it's definitely not the move for a pack animal with the capacity to outlive most people.
I took it as he simply meant she wasn't in great shape, and she was gonna die anyway
People that say an animal like Lucy doesn't need to be around any of her own species, should be only surrounded by something other than humans to see how it feels. They'd go insane
It is well known Elephants are a family-like species. They exist in herds that are part of their nature and their socialization. That these idiots in Edmonton do not understand that means they have no idea as to the needs of these beautiful beings. Lucy is showing clear behaviour attached to the fact she is stressing which is not good for her at her age. I would bet if she were moved to PAWS that behaviour would disappear and she would begin acclimatizing to her new family and thrive within it.
How about we lock one of these so called elephant lovers that want to keep her, are locked up for thirty years without any other human contact, seeing the same scenery day after day, year after year. Let's see how wonderfully happy they are!!!!
To that, I would recommend beating these individuals in the head with an ax handle for two days.
@@firesong83 I would sure like too be the one beating those heads!
Says someone who lost billions of animals to fires this year..sit down
@@NicNakBraun
I'm just wandering if you made that comment to me?
If you did, bush fires did kill billions of our wild life, that is true.
BUT WTF has that got to do with putting animals into a cage for their whole life?
@@NicNakBraun countless wild animals die yearly all over world in wildfires. What would you suggest to prevent this? Meanwhile this is one elephant in one zoo that can easily be moved to a better life.
That silly woman who said "we can't just throw out elephants out to a sanctuary because it's ridiculous" is ridiculous! What an irrational stupid person. What an embarrassing, infuriating bunch of selfish, lying bureaucrats. Ugh..
An elephant walking on snow - unbelievably cruel. They need to be in their natural habitat.
elephants they live in families just like us humans or all primates. they feel lonely just like us. let the elephant go
EchoFox_MG AJ Videos how can you tell it's happy it doesn't speak. it can only communicate with its own kind. making friends with other animals doesn't mean it's, it's because it has NO choice. given the choice it wouldn't choose to make friends with an animal that doesn't speak it's language. Let's face facts here not to be selfish to satisfy our egos
lisa Herbert what I mean is yes it's hard for elephants to make as a strong bond with humans but it can still happen! but I do agree on some terms like the iron rods not needed if you trust the animal it's trust you so no need for the rods. I know that zoo may be the worst I have seen and in the team for the said elephant in Canada it would be to cold for it and will be the death of her and yes she would need the friendships of other elephants to keep her company. I love zoo that are actually helping the animals but in the case for meny zoos they not helping they are hurting the animals!
lisa Herbert I personally think lusy should of join Maggie at the paws sanctuary and I don't really get why so many people say a zoo not a zoo unless there an elephant!?
Love Bob's passion for these incredible beings. Elephants are more intelligent, spiritual, and comprehensive than any human that will ever live. They have abilities we can't comprehend..
Brittney Rangel
Sorry, but no animals are more smater then another. We are intelligent in our own way.
I think they are better than a whole lot of so called humans walking the face of the earth right now!
@@Nothin2seehere-e4z
You have a lot to learn, about elephants, about Nature, about the Earth, and about yourself. You may have some intelligence, but you don't have the understanding or wisdom that is necessary to even address the above comment sensibly.
Free Lucy . Let her go. She deserves Sanctuary.
All zoo's should be closed. People have to leave nature alone. I never once went to a zoo. I always felt as though it wasn't right.
I went before I knew better. Now just the thought of any animals being locked in jail. Makes me sick to my stomach!
It's 2021. Winter is almost here in Edmonton Alberta. Lucy is still trapped alone in that zoo. Every passing year it seems less and less likely she'll ever see freedom. 💔
Sad.. I was hoping for an update, got it, but hope she was "free"
Let us not forget that Canadian zoos shot their hippos rather than send them anywhere
(We don't shoot hippos, do we?) Is a book written about how they shot and killed their hippos because of the cost of feeding them and no sanctuary was taking them....I would love to see someone do a show about that topic!
Makes me ashamed to be Canadian!
Wait so if a child is in a bad environment all their life but has a chance to go to a better environment and live happy well too bad because they have been in the bad environment for such a long time they are use to it...
that logic is stupid!
@TheKumba YESSS!! You betta PREACH! Well said.
Shockingly, many people don't have logic, or the honesty to tolerate it.
Hes a cold, cruel man to not let her go
His obsession is one of the most selfish things I've ever seen. He needs to be taken out of his position of power because the elephant is not his priority. His priority is his own sad needs.
Humans go insane when forced to live alone. I don't see how an elephant is any different.
I've always known it was abuse to keep elephants who are so family oriented, locked up and parted, it is a crime. I watched a video, it was about two elephants who had been kept apart for years. I cried as I watched their joy, they entwined their trunks and used them to pet each other, it was so cute, as they walked away, trunk's entwined!! I hate that any animal is kept behind bars!! I hope these people can get Lucy away from the ice cold of Canada. I live in Montana, I wouldn't have her here in the winter, I'd like to escape!! I think her owner is intrigued by being a man with an elephant, he is a selfish fool!! I kinda agree though, she has been around these people most of her life, but I'll bet she'd enjoy other elephants!!
Bob Effin BARKER!!! What a guy, a true class act.
People should STOP going to zoo’s that have elephants! Lucy and every other zoo or circus elephant deserve to be free, even if that wacko vet in Alaska doesn’t. He’s nuts!!
That w____ v__ that made those wrong recommendations in Alaska is a San Diego v.
@@cacatr4495 is he still a vet?
@@happyhello5988
I have no idea, but people don't change professions every day, especially not in that field. They seem to be a Yes-man for the company notions.
I agreed. Let's put the man in a cage, one and see how much he likes it. I've worked in a zoo.... that's all I'm gonna say...
All the Zoo elephants demonstrate stereotypyic animal behaviours- so sad :(
The elephant, as a species, is seriously endangered.
Worrying about one elephant in a zoo, or all elephants in all zoos, is a failure to see the big picture.
Having said that, seeing a small elephant in chains, confined in a very small shed, as the most popular attraction in a small zoo, was one of the saddest sights I've ever witnessed.
I think no matter how good they are giving to Lucy but still Lucy prepare to be with other elephants,if she can only speak she will tell it
So abuse is ok so long as the victim is used to it and has been abused for years to the point that it's become their "normal"? That's what I'm hearing from that crazed man.
Look, I get that this is different than child abuse but as someone who survived it this is exactly the kind of circular thinking and apathy that plays a huge part in perpetuating the cycle of abuse and often makes it hard for the victim to even realize that they are in an abusive situation.
I feel very sorry for that elephant, it's probably extremely depressed, bored and lonely. She needs to be around other elephants, isolation is extremely unhealthy. As much as I love my dog and get immense joy from spending time with him he isn't a replacement for all human interaction, I still need other humans in my life, just like Lucy needs other elephants in her life. Forcing a social animal into isolation from its own species is literally torture.
Elephants and horses are my two favorite animals on earth!
Elephants and horses ARE the Keystone species of the Earth. Please read my Elephant Nature Park playlist description, as I don't want to have to type that all out here again for you when you can read exactly why they are Keystone species for the Earth, and how vitally important and crucial they are! No other species can do for the Earth what elephants and equines can!
torontos elephants are thriving at Paws Sanctuary its all about money,money,money
Did you mean that zoos are all about money? You didn't specify who you meant.
I don't know why this was recommended to me but I'm glad it was but after some research I find that she still there and it broke my heart you broke my heart that she's all alone I always say my dog is a people dog but I do everything in my power to make sure he has doggy play dates and he still sociable around other dogs this just breaks my heart
It breaks my heart too!*
When human beings learn to stop objectifying nature, they will learn love and respect for each other. Until then, down with Zoos!
All zoos should be shut down.
Brittney Rangel depends on the zoos.. I know of zoos that take injured animals and or sick animals and help them heal then release them back once they are healed.. I like that idea.. but I don't like taking healthy animals and put them on show until they die..
Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, right ... Turn them loose in the wild and destroy and displace all human habitat to make room to all the wild animals. Stiupid fool, go tell any resident of any village in any African nation about it. The hypocrites money making " conservationist " are doing enough damage to them .
VJ Blues so you don't think we us humans who have resources to help sick and injured animals should just leave them to die.. yep that's a great idea.. I rather help an animal heal then release it back into wild when it is healed up and has a better chance at survival..
VJ Blues haha says the guy who can't spell stupid xD let me ask you something what makes you think human life takes ANY priority over the life of another creature on earth? Your probably not gonna answer cause there is no reason to think that because that ideology is dumb but people believe in it anyway. I bet you're somebody who thinks abusing a pet will make them "stronger and tougher"
I couldn't finish it. Of course she would be better off with her own species. I love the zoo. However. Let's be aware of a living beings needs.
Yes how wonderful to tour animals locked up in cages against their own will! I will never take my kids to a zoo. They are completely inhumane!
Just the thought of animals locked in a prison of a zoo. Makes me sick!
"I have $880K and I'd be willing to pay it"... I love it Mr. Barker, put your wallet in the ring. You can't take it with you.
He'll be 98 in a few weeks!
"We can't just THROW our elephants out there just because some people went there..". Notice she says "throw", which is something that is typically done with objects, not living things (unless they are being physically harmed). And no, it's not because people went there and said it was nice; it's because it's a beautiful, expansive area that replicates their home environment, allows them to socialize with other elephants, and gives them freedom to roam great distances on varied, natural terrain, as nature intended. Everything she says makes no sense, and her tone is absolutely hateful (which is what I'd expect from someone who runs that many zoos). What a ploy to keep their cash flowing..
ka-ching, ka-ching, it's all about money and greed. Corrupt people have corrupted reasoning, they make destructive choices.
The elephant is a beautiful and noble creature.
If it goes extinct, we deserve to go along with it.
we deserve to go first
Elephants and horses that eat native forage and migrate to disperse their rich compost to nourish the Earth and re-seed it are Keystone species. If they go, it's over. People don't even understand that they are Keystone species, what they do for the Earth or why. People really need to learn.
So let me get this right, they spent over $300,000 to make changes for Maggie, they expanded the zoo by upgrading, heating ventilation etc. They bought a TREADMILL for $150,000 and went over budget totaling, $1.2M. This was all to get their way, nearly bankrupting the zoo. I must be missing something. I'm sure I'm missing something.
They had illogical and poor judgement, very poor judgment. But then, if they want to bankrupt themselves, fine.
David is Brilliant , insightful , and should be heard. Of course Lucy likes people what choice does she have. It's bad enough being captive but making her perform tricks for amusements is humiliating. She would be estate to be released to a family of elephants.
Let her be with her own kind. 😔😔😔😔🌹💖💖💖💖💖🌹
no more cruelty to animals! !!! duh!!!
Stevie Wonder could see this is about pride and money.
Yes, Mr.Baker let elephant be with elephants.
Too cold for an elephant..isnt it?
Absolutely it is too cold for an elephant. Cold induces Pnuemonia in elephants, that they're very prone too, and it's a killer of elephants. Having an elephant in cold weather is insane.
lucy needs her freedom and elephants family . this is cruelty!
I recently spent a day in a Sanctuary in Thailand...for injured and old Elephants. Humans needs to stop using animals for entertainment!! THE END
Elephant Nature Park of Save Elephant Foundation, founded by Lek Chailert and Darrick Thomson. 👏
If you want to see an animal travel to where they are. Zoos and Circuses began when that's all the 'entertainment ' they had, they didn't know better but we do!! We have to do better. We need to take better care of this planet & our fellow species.
Preach it, Bob!
Leave it to the journalists of The Fifth Estate to provide a comprehensive report on this important subject of survival. Excellent job!
I love William Shatners measured opinion of the bureaucrats at the zoo, when you can tell he just wants to shake sense into them.
It's like the sensible people have to walk on eggs so not too upset the idiots that have x all of the power over these poor animals. The government needs to take the Zoo Association apart and employ people that do not operate with threats. It is amazing that they have not been brought to task over their illegal operation style. They are an embarrassment to the tax payers that pay their wages to act so despicably.
Update 12-8-17 Lucy is still at the Edmonton Zoo, however the vet who claimed that Lucy would die if moved to Calif is not.
A man who fought vigorously against animal rights activists who wanted to see Lucy the Elephant moved to an animal sanctuary, has died. Doctor Milton Ness, a chief veterinarian at the Edmonton Valley Zoo, passed away last week.
As posted the three Toronto Zoo elephants went to Calif
WOW, Thanks for the update. I sure hope Bob Barker can now move her to PAWS like the three Toronto Zoo Elephants now. Please, please, please!!!
thank you for the update. now, in 2020 Jan, what is the latest on Lucy/Edmonton ?
I thought the zoo said she would die if moved..
Lucy (at the end) is not dancing. She is broken by isolation and pain. That behavior is pathological.
This is why I hated when people call pits or any animal monsters. We are monsters too. We're the biggest ones on Earth.
One telling fact: look at the eyes of Lucy verses the eyes of the free elephants; even their skin changes once free; look at Maggie. So, here we go again, notice the common traits: enslavement, dominance, and they speak for the animal or whatever they enslave. Welcome to the club, Lucy and Maggie! Oh, and don’t comment or strive to correct me if you have not been or experienced being a member of the enslaved.
I wouldn't even choose Anchorage or Canada ! Too cold, too long.
I saw Maggie once. It was horrific and was glad she got to leave! It was selfish
NanaVicki1 I was so happy when she went to the sanctuary and she was giddy!! Yay Maggie xo
@@criticRN I cried. There, many years ago were two. In the end she got her herd tho, best she ever had.
Yeah.. she has strong bonds wiht her human freinds. All of my friends carry bullhooks too
Sam Chandler LLC right?!
I love there eye lashes, people can't detach themselves for the benefit of the animals
I'm crying..."lucy doesn't need other Elephants" If you did this to a human...it would be abuse!! That is what this is!! Isolating her!! Breaks my heart! Zoo handler carrying a BULLHOOK...says everything! Thank you Bob Barker!!
That's a good story. Thank you, the Fifth Estate. An elephant in Alaska? That sounds so inhumane.
You tell'em Bob!!!!
And he offers the money for transport………..such a big heart and a great legacy!!
An expert in elephant behaviour and health. People are disgusting, beating that elephant for 2 days....he should be jailed for animal abuse
No animals should be kept in Zoo's, they should remain free to roam in the wild where they are born. People are the abusers of these majestic animals. Captivity is cruel - period! I am so happy Lucy and the elephants from the Toronto Zoo are now free to roam in the Paws sanctuary now for the remainder of their days. They deserve more but this is the best we can give them now at this stage in their lives. That vet at the Edmonton Zoo is only thinking about losing a pay check if the elephant goes, a true vet/animal lover would have more compassion and understanding for this elephant's needs mores over his wants. So glad Lucy has a team working on her behalf. This vet states she has a breathing infirmity well the sanctuary provides medical care swell so she will be provided for in the sanctuary. God Bless Bob Barker and all the animal lovers working on her behalf to free her.I hope every zoo/circus in the world closes down!
What is ridiculous is that some people rather keep elephants confined in areas NOT at all suitable to them'; rather than allow them a good life w/other elephants in warm weather & lots of room to roam. What horribly selfish people those prove themselves to be!
PAWS Sanctuary is a GODSEND. Like little Africa in Nor CA.
In the future, people need to stop having Elephants in zoos, parks altogether. This sanctuary is just that. A safe place❤
Love you Bob Barker. I liken a zoo to a circus, I never go to a zoo and never a circus, which btw don't exist in the US anymore.
People need people and elephants need their own kind
where are her tusks? removed for safety?
She is a female Asian elephant, they don't have tusks
simply beautiful
Not all elephants grow tusk.
@@hydrolito
Female Asian elephants don't grow tusks. In spite of the recent videos and claims that some African elephants aren't growing tusks, they do. Those claims are absolutely false, with doctored footage.
The difference in ages before death is enough for any reasonable person to make a correct decision. Too much ego in man is involved. Too much selfishness.
How about put this "elephants lovers" into a cage and ship them to the antarctic. I'm sure they'll love it. And yeah make sure you bring their treadmill with them.
This is incredibly strong proof that 'Dr. Milton Ness" has NO IDEA what he's talking about. I support a sweet girl at DSWT in Ithumba, Kenya and follow her progress so am proud to say we all know more about ellies than he does.
This is not about accredited facilities or the health of the elephants for the zoo. Elephants are social creatures as are we humans! We are not meant to be caged in solitary confinement. If the elephants had a companion that is a different story, however Its flat out about losing money for the zoo period.
Ethically, I'm not sure it would be acceptably "different," but it is about money, like squeezing the last bit of water out of a sponge.
Get LUCY out of Canada...TOO COLD!!!! NOT elephant country!!! LUCY needs HER OWN KIND!!!!! Let go Canada!!! Gotta grow up and let the child go!!!
You all are forgetting the Elephant Sanctuary of Tennessee.......2700 acres.
Maybe it wasn't mentioned because they were full at that time, as that was one of the criteria mentioned, that there be space for them.
poor baby all chained up! It's a sin! I cried when I saw her get 2b with the other elephants. She so deserved it.
The change in Maggie was mind blowing!
Please, please produce an update on poor Lucy.... please!
This is solitary Confinement , crazy human ego ........
As a child I asked where do the animals go when they go home.? Wrong answer They never go home they stay with the Zoo.! I never went back to Zoo’s again. Every animal in Zoo’s needs to go back to where they came from.! You can not own a wolf & elephants need each other not humans.!
I was at a shockingly cruel zoo around the turn of the century (great apes and lions in actual BAR CAGES!!!) My best friend and I were in our twenties. I lamented the small shacks that the animals would be locked inside of over the cold winter. With complete seriousness, she reassured me that the animals were sent to a separate "winter zoo." !!! This was a grown woman with a high IQ! The level of her emotional disconnect was staggering.
Wish they would put this much passion into caring for children who are trafficked and abused!
When parents care, we can talk. I've never known a parent that didn't abuse their children, by altering them, by lying to them, by betraying them with lies.
AZA is WRONG. The almighty $$ determines their line of aggression.
Elephants are not made for cold weather, for sure they are being treated really well no doubt about that but, they do need to be free in a tropical place but, would Lucy adapt to the wild without a family and survive? Lucy is used to have food given to her, a easy life... I love elephants.
It was NEVER about releasing her to the Wild. It was about her going to an elephant sanctuary here in the US where she'd be given good care, be well fed, and provided all the freedom to live her life as an elephant, rather than as a cash cow.
Shame on Canada for putting these wild animals in zoos. I’m Canadian.
Zoo owners, stop your greed !
@@SmallDragon7804 and your solution is?
@@JD-nd1oz
Hello JD. They need to choose ethical professions that don't exploit animals. They have seen these elephants as cash cows, commodities. The eyes of their hearts are bad, corrupted.
FREE LUCY!!!! FREE ALL ELEPHANTS IN CAPTIVITY!!! Remember Nosy? She was finally sent to santuary. Lucy coukd likely be sent there too.
BEAT THE ELEPHANT ON THE HEAD WITH AX HANDLES FOR TWO DAYS????????? WTF!!!!!!!
I love Bob💕and the Elephants💕
Equatorial animals shouldn't be at such zoos.
That San Diego vet should lose his license.
i do aggree that this elephant should be with other elephants. it's a herd animals.
Can you believe she is still there? Now with breathing difficulties =(
A person/people can be completely sincere, and completely mistaken. Attachment is a powerful thing, but refusing what is right and good, to remain attached to something not of Nature, is very damaging, damaging to soul, damaging to mind, damaging to the body, and bottom-line, destructive to Life. There are people that are so fearful of losing what they think they have, when what they "have" is a mirage. They don't actually have what they think they have, and yet, they won't look at Reality. That is a parallel to this: Lucy doesn't have what is of Nature for her. She has a very poor, harmful substitute that is very damaging. The people that claim she has what she needs, are looking at a mirage. Either they are knowledgeable and complicit with their words, or they are completely mistaken. 12:33 What's the difference, mentally, between that and a dungeon? In Creation, in the Wilds, do we ever find elephants in habitats like that? No, we don't. There is no Life in unnatural environments, there is no hope in them. People need to get honest.
Imagine if in the future people visit large sanctuaries instead of zoos? 🤔
Sanctuaries don't allow the animal residents to be gawked at.
Just stop supporting this Zoo, or any Zoo that does the same! I Feel the same about Marine parks that have captive Mammals. I Would put that Village Idiot/Veterinarian somewhere cold and isolated for 30 plus years! I would also have policies and procedures in place just like he had for Lucy! Long Live Bob Barker!
she needs to be wild and free not in capture , set her free in the wild where she belongs with other elephants period....
Peggy Nisbet nooooooo that will not work!!!!
Lucy has been among humans now for decades she wouldn't know how to fend or protect herself plus she would be a rouge and not accepted among the herd
please do not underestimate the intelligence of these fantastic Elephants, they have fought wars and can fit in anywhere ,especially with there own kind ,Thats what they said about the Toronto Elephants ...
Peggy Nisbet Maybe maybe not but Lucy is so used to human interactions now that I just don't see her surviving long in the wild ..would she know how to get food or interact with other elephants? how would she be able to defend herself against predators? would she be that easily accepted into a herd?
What about bacteria in the wild that she wouldn't be able to fight off?
I don't think releasing her into the wild will work here a sanctuary closer to the type of home and weather maybe but the wilds? can't see her lasting a month
Lucy would not be released to the Wild. She would be released to a US ele-sanctuary like PAWS, where she would be safe, cared for, fed and have ele-friends, where she could roam freely, sleep when and where she wants, be warm, go swimming, play in mudholes, dust herself, recover and thrive!!
What will happen to the heartless vet's paycheck if Lucy gets to live a life of freedom? What a bunch of selfish people. A sad ending! What is wrong with you Edmonton?
Shame on #EdmontonZoo & #TorontoZoo! Despicable animal abuse!
Lucy needs HER OWN KIND!!!
The Toronto Zoo. Notice the chains around the left front & right back foot? What's up with that? Bull hooks? OUTLAW THEM! These poor babies.
Arthritis? Why not try adequine/ediquine? Horses & dogs & my dog carried in on a "bed board" & next morning, laughing, smiling, hopping, running, jumping full of joy!
Chains and bullhooks are abuse and are not acceptable. Elephants need soft soil, as by natural weather patterns were found in the Tropics, and sand beds. Her issues come from captivity. Solve that single cause, and an ele can heal. Lucy needs to go to sanctuary.
Too much ego is involved. The differences in ages between a sanctuary or a zoo is enough for anyone to make the correct decision. It is selfish to want to keep an elephant in a zoo.
and very damaging to the animals. It's destructive.
Lucy needs to go wither to an AZA zoo or a sanctuary. She is still living alone 😔
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PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT ZOO’S AND CIRCUSES....Sad....
Elephants have very distinct memory of men killing or mistreating other elephants--so they are getting their due! especially if their in rut!! every animal has intelligence--the worse of all mammals is man--and animals know this! and all animals have feelings!
I am crying because I am so happy.