What I appreciate about Dave is that he treats survival, bushcraft and sustainable living as being on the same continuum. I like how he makes me think about this interconnectedness.
Hi Dave, I've been watching many of your videos over and over. It's clear that you've become a huge proponent of wool blankets and that's influencing many people in how they practice woodcraft. I was reading, WOODCRAFT By E. H. KREPS published in 1919 and got very cold weather he made or purchased rabbit skin blankets. He says in the chapter on blankets, "But when zero weather is to be contended with woolen blankets must take a back seat for the Indian's kind, woven from strips of rabbit fur. Nothing that I have ever found will equal or even approach in warmth a rabbit skin blanket." Maybe something for a winter project. I confess I'm intrigued and wanted to share. Benjamin
Man, these older videos stand the test of time because of two reasons. 1. Dave is not portraying a character, or doing some schtick. He's the real deal and these older videos don't look out of place when watched along his current videos. Consistent, clear, and educational to a remarkable degree. It's who he is. 2. The information is BS, sponsor free. I know he's sharing accurate info without the stench of sponsorship. I want to thank Mr. Canterbury for all the choices and the sacrifices he has made to provide FREE rock solid information that helps us understand our roots and history. Get people outdoors, get em' dirty. Dave and the Pathfinder instructors are helping preserve a national and human treasure: Our connection to the land.
I was unable to readily afford an arctic/sub-artic weather rated sleeping bag so I have went with the layering approach. I have a fleece sleeping bag, fleece blanket, thick heavy cotton fiber blanket and a wool blanket along with "space" blankets and tarps. Weight-wise and bulk-wise, it comes out to be roughly the same as an extreme weather rated sleeping bag but arguably with much greater versatility and scalability.
The 3rd sleeping bag looks very much like the old South African Army sleeping bag in which I spent many nights in the bush. I now use the US sleep system Bivvy with the green intermediate sleeping bag which is way toasty enough for South African conditions. Great channel Dave, keep up the great work.
Great info Dave, thanks. I have the MMS system also. Good to know you don't have to bring the patrol bag with the intermediate bag for cold weather. I need to get a merino wool blanket. I just have the U.S. Army wool blanket, quite scratchy.
Dave I took your advice and got a Gortex Bivy and the intermediate black bag And a queen size wool blanket I've learned alot from you and Blackscout survival .. I live in Yellowknife Canada it gets about -55 Celsius up here, I don't plan to go out in that, -30 no problem. Much respect from Canada!!!!
I have watched many of Dave Canterbury's videos over the seasons and this will be my 1st & only comment on ALL of the info he has helped provide: I love the background history he provides as well the different views & opinions from others he informs us about. And I always walk away feeling as though I have learned something. Even if it isn't about the info I originally was looking for! If I had the money I would attend his school just for learning something new & perhaps a useful/fun skill that may have been lost. Thanks for all....
Something that i've picked up while sleeping in cold weather is that one of the hardest parts is getting out of a warm sleeping bag just to put on cold clothing. if your taking off cloths to stay at your comfort level while sleeping stuff 'em in the bag with you! it keeps them at a constant temp and doesn't give your body a shock when you get them on. if your a real pro then you can even get dressed without leaving the bag. Dave you and your instructors are a fountain of knowledge. keep it going
Dave, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us here in youtube land. Your knack for teaching and experience is a gold mine. Thank you for all you do!
Great video Dave. I haven't been able to land a good wool blanket yet but I've used a $15 sleeping bag with a fleece blanket inside down to the low 30's and been perfectly warm.
Used many bags until I got a Wiggy's bag. Never looked back. Bought a 20F and aZero. When it isn't holding its temp rating its time to wash it in the washer. In zero temps or less I use my blanket on the outside of the zero bag. In the morning the underside of the wool has snow on it because the Wiggy;s bag lets your moisture go through it. With that combo I only get to -7 F. Great instructions Dave. I use 2 wool blanket down to 35F with extra clothes. Comfort is relative--so true.
I like the look of the full sleep system and getting mine shipped soon enough the US Forces definately like to sleep well. I think the last bag is an old German bag from the military I seem to recall seeing 1 before believe it is a cold wether issue piece and think it may come with another liner too, I could be wrong though so please don't quote me! Agree with other comments I have seen on many videos too... your opinion is GOLD. Great advise and help for us in the UK too. Thank you Dan
Dave, that Eco-Tac bag works great as a cocoon around the exterior of a hammock during winter time temps to keep you toasty. I use a similar center zip bag with the foot open with a draw string, around the entire hammock and then I can be wrapped up in a wool blanket or bag inside. It creates a cocoon of dead air space for the heat and is a system I've used down to zero degrees. Try it out!
the Navy issued woolen blankets ( I had 2) on the ship along with an Emergency Escape Breathing Device [EEBD] as part of a system to evacuate the berthing department in case of fire. The blankets were high wool content and thicker than the shore duty blankets for that reason. I have the three piece sleep system but also use a canvas bag and add a blanket lined canvas bivy that I made. They both have a time and a place.
I'm watching this as I pack to head to the shoot at knob creek this weekend. I feel a whole lot better about my choices for my sleeping gear. I'm taking my mms system plus 2 wool blankets 100 percent Italian and a 100 percent gi issue along with a gi mat. I'm pretty sure I'll have any temp range covered. Thanks Dave couldn't have timed this video any better.
Nice to see an expert using the wool blankets the way i do and used to do. They are so versatile. What i lose in the insulating power of a sleeping bag i gain in the multiuse of a blanket.
I have a pair of Rocky's (Bear Claws) 1000 grams of Thinsulate Insulation and Gortex. I have had these for probably 6 years and they are still in great shape. The tread on the bottoms are the best I have ever had. They grip everything and the design makes it to where mud doesn't cake up on the soles. I can wear them if it is cold or warm outside and they are always comfortable. The Gortex allows your feet to breathe and I have never had an issue of sweaty feet or cold feet.
Thanks Dave for telling about sleeping bags. I notice on one of your school vids it was cold and it appeared some were freezing there rear with a wool blanket and went on a sleeping bag run or wanted too. I have camped no fire in winter with a sleeping bag, blanket, combo.Many times not enough wood to keep fire going all night and waking up to feed it over and over again.
Excellent dissertation on Sleep kit. One thing id offer for some of your viewers is Kifaru Woobie, I bought mine many years ago and use it daily even conus, I sleep in the bush all the time rarely indoors and a lot of it in mountains of Afg. its not a single source or common man item item but compacts small in your ruck and adds warmth when needed. MY GF says im a 53 YO man with a security blanket.
Dave, I use the Alpaca alternative, 96x96 on ebay for $90, 4x's warmer, wicks moisture, doesn't pick up dirt or grime, lighter that wool, won't mildew, compresses smaller...works for me in 0 to 10 degree weather here in Nevada in conjunction with Alps pad and 10-30bag. Love your teaching style...John
depends on the bag. if you have the old style bag (side zipper), the easiest way is to open the bag fully, fold the blanket in half and lay it inside. you could use safety pins to secure the blanket to the upper flap. with a mummy bag (top zip), use the blanket at a diagonal. fold up the corner that will be at your feet, loosely fold the sides and lay it in. unfold the sides, slip in. cover your feet, half wrap the blanket, zip partially and continue until snug as a bug.
Right on Dave! I've heard stories of how someone's wool blanket was no good.. lol If it's -10 f and all you have is a wool blanket... Great info for a lot of folks! I love how you have evolved Dave over the years and pride myself on being able to adapt also. Closed mindedness will hurt a person. Great video!
You're a busy man lately, Dave. You're putting out some really high quality videos and lots of them. Looks like you're bringing things up to date based on experience, and I appreciate that. Take care.
Hey Dave I have a German sleep system that is similar to the German bag you have. The one I have has sleeves in it and it also has a rubberized bivy similar to the old style wet weather jackets the army used to use. the cool factor about it other than the sleep system having sleeves is that it has a cross center zipper that allows it to be unzipped and rolled up from the bottom to be worn as a jacket. If you run across one get it you wont be disappointed.
That first bag that you showed is awesome, I love the fact that it has a draw string so you can slide it over your hammock and have an under quilt and on over quilt.
That ecotat bag would be perfect for going around a hammock as a top quilt and under quilt. You could pass the hammock through the hood and out the foot box and with the top zipper it would be a killer automn hammock setup
Bought the complete MMS at the local military surplus store for $60. Came with a compression bag that really makes the whole unit pretty small. In summer, I sleep on top the patrol bag in my hammock. When it's snowing, I use both bags in the hammock with a pad & reflective bubble wrap underneath. Maybe if we have an ice storm I'll try the bivvy. Shouldn't store bags compressed. They'll loose lift. To fluff them up a bit, put em in a clothes dryer (on low) with a couple of tennis balls.
MSS is my choice. The goretex bivy is great for shielding and can hide all your gear from the elements while you're inside if you pack light. Doubles as a dog bed lol. I also only carry the black bag and two smaller wool blend blankets (only fall/winter). All inside the compression sack at the bottom of my Duluth #3. Great to create a modified "pod" that makes an under/over quilt for cold hammock sleeping by simply cutting a small hole at the bottom and sew hem and rig the bungees up.
Great to see another option for bags. I will have to keep an eye out for that last one. I really like the shape and size. Live the big shoulder room!!!
Respectfully Dave, I appreciate all you do. I spent thousands between your store and vendors [Duluth, RR, BHK, Empire]. I try to make positive comments regarding videos; answer questions [repeating what I've heard you say] from posters. I consider myself a strong supporter of you, your family, vendors and friends and you are welcome, as you thank us for it in each vid. But- Even I am getting tired of enduring the 30 sec GM ads. Bad enough my taxes bailed the company out. Sorry Dave. JMHO
These german military bags are virtualy indestructable ..had a bunch of them (all ~30 and more years old) and they are spotless. No messed up stiches or holes ..the insulation is all in place and all in all ..absolutely BOMBPROOF..(+the convinient center zipper) .I recently bought the USGI MSS also and IMO is warmer than the German bag but I find size zippers very inconvinient - maybe I'll get used to it). Leson learnt: Bag+Wool blanket = have the best things and versatility ! Great video! 10x
I will, bro. Just bought some gear from your store and look forward to getting it out into the field for use. Thanks again for providing these informative videos.
I have to agree with you on the bushcraft/survival topic. I started with survival, and I orient myself with survival in mind in all things I do. I suppose I am the survival one in our group, the other two are more bushcrafting oriented. And the gear and mindset come in to play. Well done Dave.
I camped last night, under a tarp shelter. I had 2 dept. Store sleeping bags and a cheap wool based blanket. I opened the bags up as blankets. On below, one above. Blanket on top of that. Had a foam pad underneath me and then a tarp as a ground cover. Fire was banked heavy, but wasn't large. Only thing cold was my toes. They were away from the fire. It got down below 40 and I slept well all night. Gotta work on the cold toes. Maybe a second pair of socks.
I know you were asking Dave, but I had to let you know about those. I know that it is miserable having cold feet when doing something outdoors, especially hunting. I also know that there are probably a bunch of really good boots out there, but the ones I have are the best ones I have ever owed and I have tried many different ones. Any boot that allows your feet to breathe and are water proof are good ones.
The ecotat might be useful with a hammock since the bottom has a draw string. You can wrap it around the hammock and create loft. And bags designed specifically for that cost hundreds of dollars.
Another super vid Dave. Up here in Canada as I tend to go solo so much I tend to carry sleeping gear that's relevant to the season. That means some heavy gear in the winter which always leads to the curse of sweating. As soon as the fall hits I wear nothing but layers of wool.
As usual right on the money Dave !!! On a canoe trip I tried just my military wool blanket then added my 30 F sleeping bag in 30 F in a tent and it was very chilly. My thermarest saved the day once I brought it out :)
Good Video. I've been carrying 2 wool blankets and a base mat in the winter. I've been down to 27 degrees w/o fire and in the snow so far. As long as I was buried in them it wasn't bad at all. Going to continue to try and push them again this year. 1 is German and I believe the other is an Israeli blanket.
David, been watching through your videos here in 2019, and I have to say this is some great stuff. I'm just getting into bushcraft, as a way to not only gain outdoors competence but to reconnect with the experiences of my ancestors. Love these videos. Thanks.
Love the back to basics series bro. Just had another successful purchase from the pathfinder store. Great shipping and great products. Thanks for all you do my man
always good insight on this topic. hopefully you can find the time to do a cold weather overnighter this winter, with a tarp, blanket, etc. im sure i would pick up some tips.
Hi Dave, been a fan for a long while. Anyway, did a little research and the last bag you showed seems to be a swiss military sleeping bag. Its on the keepshooting web site. Even has the yellow tag on the flap. Keep it up and thanks for so much good info.
The third sleeping bag is a Swiss standard military issue one. A friend of mine survived a night in a storm when it was raining cats and dogs, without a shelter in November. I also had great experience with it.
Another awesome video Dave. Very useful. I don't mind the ads haha. Some people will just find anything to gripe about. We all appreciate what you do and teach us and even better you make it free to watch. 2 thumbs up from north east Indiana!
I lucked out and got a -10f MMS bag and stuff sack for 9.00 and the gortex bivy for 15.00 when the Vet Standdown came to town a couple years ago. I bought from a homeless Vet who wanted a bottle of booze and had no interest in camping equipment.
Glad you've been to my neck of the woods, the U.P.! I use a G.I. Intermediary bag picked up at St. Vincent DePaul for $10, good for -10*, me (5'10" 180) and my Pitbull (57lbs.) fit in it, in a Claytor jungle hammock.
Saludos desde España ! Gracias por compartir con nosotros su experiencia , esta haciendo un trabajo umanitario .Se merece un premio Nobel . Muchas gracias Señor Dave.
You have awesome stuff and I really enjoy watching all your videos. I was wondering if you had ever thought about doing a 21st century longbow man series?
Very good point at the beginning. Always be prepared for a survival scenario. Even if you go on a hike, bring at least a couple ways to start fire and process wood. Could save you, especially as winter closes in.
Wiggy's also makes some extra long center zip sleeping bags with drawstring footboxes in various temperature ratings that can be combined for increased temperature rating. They work great as that pod system you described above on gathered end sleeping bags.
That last sleeping is german military. I used one for years. I bought it 6 years about for $30 from the sportsmen guide. Its a very durable an warm bag. I would rate it for 35 degrees.
Great video Dave....remember the old Army poncho liners?...kept my 6 warm many a nights!!!.......wife and I still fight over my poncho liner...need to pick up another one!
Dave, you mentioned the scenario with your wife and kids. I am getting into self reliance/bushcraft to teach my kids more about the outdoors. What would change in how you pack your gear if you were to have your family with you? In my scenario I have a 2 and 3 year old. I only have a small pack right now with the first 5 c's and some redundancies. I also keep like kids snacks in it. I have one pocket on it used by the kids for any "treasure", they may find while we are out. Just curious?
I would recommend the down bags from the company Nunatak. They are made in the USA. I would direct you to their product called Raku which can be used as both a garment and a sleeping system. I myself use their Arc System gear as I am an ultralight backpacker. Both the Raku and Alpinist lines have the center zipper.
I use the IMSS and wool blanket. Just the patrol bag at minimum(i live more south than you), then add the wool with it when its cooler, then add it all when its freezing and below. That I learned from you but I always use the wool blanket on the outside so Ill have to try it on the inside next time unless Im by the fire than Ill keep the wool on the outside. Thanks for another tip.
Ecotat is now now being sold under the name "Freedom Shelter - Super Light". I think they were the original manufacturer of these bags if anyone is looking. They are pricey though!
I've got a sleeping bag I doubt Dave would review and would probably laugh at, it's mostly for "truck camping". It's a MONSTER, got it from Cabela's, it's a 5in1 and weighs in at a hefty 24lbs!! I do have lighter, smaller bags, and 3 different wool blankets, but that beast is rated for -40 and will fit a BIG man! You could backpack with it as long as you had a Sherpa guide to haul it for you - LOL!
I like my wool blankets but I had a chance to get a couple of the military 4 pc. sleep systems for under a hundred bucks each and haven't regretted it. My 13 yr old daughter loves hers and for the first month or so when i got them, she used hers on her bed. I actually had to go in while she was at school and roll it up and put it away.
Hey Dave, I was hoping that you could do a JMHO about Base-layers I have been having a heck of a time sorting through all the none-sense and Fall/Winter is right around the corner. Been loving these JMHO series the Knife one was my favorite thus far. Keep up the great work!
Really awesome video dave. I have the MSS and have tried to pack it in my bag. Its hefty. I think im goining to utilize a 30L dry bag, like you. Its much more space efficient and makes sense, since I also have wool blankets. Thanks again.
A benefit of a game cart is that you can use it to haul materials. The more you can lug in one trip, the less trips you need to make. Increasing efficiency. This is true regardless of what you're hauling. Wood, stones, moss, leaves. I hear they're even pretty handy for hauling out deer.
Eberlestock makes some fantastic center zip bags that can fit together as well. Kifaru slick bags are crazy warm & never have to worry about losing loft. I have both MSS and I believe the ACU version is better, but I think the next 1 has fr added to it.
This was pointed out in the video. . . But I will add that this is geared more towards down filled bags. Synthetics, like the military sleep system, aren't as vulnerable to a loss in R value like down is. Although it is a very good idea to allow them to air out.
I believe that green bag is an old swiss army sleeping bag. I remember buying one on eBay about 20 years ago for about £10. I just had a quick look and there is one for sale now for 325 dollars with a bivvy bag. I better try and find out which one of my children borrowed it...
Keep them coming Brother. I have learned a ton just watching your videos. I would also encourage your subscribers to support the effort by utilizing your "store" whenever possible. True, you can sometimes find some of this stuff a little cheaper elsewhere, but it doesn't come with the free education. Your efforts are much appreciated.
Maybe you could design your own bag dave, cause you seem to have a lot of experience with sleeping systems and know how they should be to get a good night sleep, thanks for the video, awsome!
Was someone bashing you for monitizing your channel Dave?? I looked for the comment but didn't see it. I'm sorry you have to deal with those type of people. I love your videos and fully support you brother. Another great video with a wealth of useful info. Your videos will save lives if not already.
That particular example was German, but they're standard issue in most of the NATO countries. Mine is just like it and it's Dutch manufactured, and came with a waterproof outer bivy layer that also zips up the center. They're good quality bags and can usually be had cheap. The Sportsman's Guide is also selling a Guide Gear copy of it for about $35 dollars.
Last bag looked a lot like a "smokers jacket" (field jacket liner) material. Which we all know is warm and even somewhat water resistant....to a point Nice run down man
my dad used to be a mountainer and has go to like 4 or 5 continents to climb mountains,and has a room full of equipment with an old sleeping bags and all the zippers dosn't work..it's a problem that in sometimes their arnt very trustable...and I agree as he said...hiking,canoeing,fishing,hunting or bushcraft require a certain level of survavalism knowledge
Watching this from my wall tent in the Catskill Mountains on my cot while in my MSS Intermediate Bag (the black one) with my vintage Hudson Bay. Snug as a bug in a rug on a 31° night just a few hours before tramping out into the woods for a little deer hunting.
Hey dave that bag you showed in this is very similar to what is being generally issued. They are good bjt designed for modern layering. The old sleeping systems , you could get away without some laying on your body. Oh if anyone is looking for miljtary surplus look online for lejuene yard sales, and some like it. People have surplus gear they don't need. You would be surprised at what you can find.
This is fantastic, thanks! I am getting back into bushcraft after 30 years of alleged civilised living. One thing I dont want to do is to go wasting a whole bundle of money on stuff that just has no chance of working out for me. An example would be that I tried to get into my old sleeping bag the other day. I used to be 6ft 2" and slimishly built / 44 chest and 34 waist. That bag fitted me ok, but was never that warm, so before just throwing it out, I tried it on. What an eye opener! I couldn't get the zip done up, lol. So, I looked around at what's available at the UK and I quickly came to realise that what seems to be out there is geared around people who are slim. Not 50yr old carrying excess weight. Seeing the examples you just showed has brought me to the conclusion that I am probably going to have to buy from the USA and then pay at least half that again when it hits the UK border. Something I have no choice in if I want to be warm and comfortable at night rather than carrying a truck loads of blankets and quilts around. So, thanks again for the video and demo's of the bags and blankets. Truly appreciated.
hold on there buddy, i thought the same thing, not so!! what u are seeing here and what he is talking about is army sleep bags, those guys are slim dude, its well documented and talked about on utube how tight these bags are, the winter bags have to be cosy to keep in the heat, iv heard ppl 6'2 say the black bag of the mms is too small for them, others say its okay,i have the complete system and think ur height will be just okay, im 6'1, u can get a longer version though there rare, but u will have to watch ur weight, im 16-1/2 stone, broad shouldered,little stomach, i look big but not that heavy, iv heard ppl 5'8 and 13-1/2 stone say they cannot get into the black bag, im cosy and okay in it, the green bag is much bigger, for spring to autumn the green bag and termals or wool blanket, id look at the dutch hooped bivvy but u may not need one at all, there heavy so it depends on what ur doing and what ur system is, okay cheers.
castof1984 Thanks for the concern, but at the time I believe I was referring to the apparent size of the brown quilted (last one?) bag with the big foot area and using a quality Merino wool blanket with it. Which would likely need buying separately, rather than the systems which are available semi locally. An example of which would be this huge outdoors shop my son drove me to today.. I tried (with the shops permission and my footwear off) every single 3-4 season bag they had and the only one I could fit in with any degree of comfort or even do the zip up in some cases, was a double blanket with no hood or pillow sleeve. Yep, you have guessed it, I am heavier than your good self. My weight hovers around the 19 stone (266 lb) area. At worst it will top out at 19 1/2 stone or it may drop to almost 18. Before you go thinking that I suffer from he "one hole's a lot bigger than the other syndrome" where I cant stop eating, I would like to point out that I rarely eat what I would call a proper sized meal (only 1 course) and even then, I only usually eat once a day - Except this week because my good neighbour opposite me made me a home made fruit loaf and that thing's more moreish than I dont know what. But this was a rare occurrence. Usually its between 6 and 7 meals a week. Exercise?? Yeah, am trying to do that and learning to walk more than 100yards or so without my legs collapsing beneath me, which is hugely embarrassing when you end up laying there in the gutter! Anyway, I digress. The whole point being that I am likely going to have to end up buying from the USA - In my opinion - as there is likely to be more choice for a 6ft 2ish overweight fella than I can find in the UK. Without meaning to be rude or offensive to any Americans here, I did notice on my Y2K visit to Florida that the average size men and women were a lot larger than those I was used to seeing and after visiting Shoney's, I think it was, I began to learn why. My weekly grocery list was being served up to me for one meal ! Add to that, the fact that I have no problems with actually calling the mail order store to talk over what I need, find out there and then if 1, they can help me and 2, they ship internationally. If 1 and 2 are both ticked, then the chances are that I will be spending some money with them. If not, then it's thank for you time and I'm gone. Leaving them to get on with their day and me with mine. A for instance. That last bag which I liked was old and German, I believe. Makes sense to look for it Germany, yes? No. I cant speak German and not all German people speak English, so rather than chasing something I am unlikely to find and trying to deal with the language barrier, it's so much easier to call the States, as we at least kinda speak the same language ;) and find something which will fit both myself and a good woollen blanket too. After all, I cant believe that America is relying solely on surplus and Alpine / Scandinavian made sleeping bags. Are they?!?!?!
All wool blankets are not created equal. I bought one that said it was 90% wool. I thought 10% less would be okay for my Texas weather. I took it out last night since it was supposed to get down to the high 40's. I froze to death even though I was under a tarp and in a hammock. As the sun came up I pulled the blanket over my head and could still see the sun through it. I could see the weave of the blanket and it looked like a checker board. Remember weave matters also.
I too have se3veral types of sleeping bags, that were used on the AT, shipped back and forth to my home for the different environments encountered on the trail. Mike
It's a common known fact: Downs are the warmest sleeping bags ever. Sythetics cann't mess with. But you are right, Geoff, if downs get wet you're lost in a fridge!
What I appreciate about Dave is that he treats survival, bushcraft and sustainable living as being on the same continuum. I like how he makes me think about this interconnectedness.
Hi Dave,
I've been watching many of your videos over and over. It's clear that you've become a huge proponent of wool blankets and that's influencing many people in how they practice woodcraft. I was reading, WOODCRAFT By E. H. KREPS published in 1919 and got very cold weather he made or purchased rabbit skin blankets. He says in the chapter on blankets, "But when zero weather is to be contended with woolen blankets must take a back seat for the Indian's kind, woven from strips of rabbit fur. Nothing that I have ever found will equal or even approach in warmth a rabbit skin blanket."
Maybe something for a winter project. I confess I'm intrigued and wanted to share.
Benjamin
Man, these older videos stand the test of time because of two reasons. 1. Dave is not portraying a character, or doing some schtick. He's the real deal and these older videos don't look out of place when watched along his current videos. Consistent, clear, and educational to a remarkable degree. It's who he is. 2. The information is BS, sponsor free. I know he's sharing accurate info without the stench of sponsorship. I want to thank Mr. Canterbury for all the choices and the sacrifices he has made to provide FREE rock solid information that helps us understand our roots and history. Get people outdoors, get em' dirty. Dave and the Pathfinder instructors are helping preserve a national and human treasure: Our connection to the land.
Thank you for your dedication to teaching the skills I thought I had, 50 years in the woods and I learn something new every video I watch
I was unable to readily afford an arctic/sub-artic weather rated sleeping bag so I have went with the layering approach. I have a fleece sleeping bag, fleece blanket, thick heavy cotton fiber blanket and a wool blanket along with "space" blankets and tarps. Weight-wise and bulk-wise, it comes out to be roughly the same as an extreme weather rated sleeping bag but arguably with much greater versatility and scalability.
The 3rd sleeping bag looks very much like the old South African Army sleeping bag in which I spent many nights in the bush. I now use the US sleep system Bivvy with the green intermediate sleeping bag which is way toasty enough for South African conditions. Great channel Dave, keep up the great work.
Great info Dave, thanks. I have the MMS system also. Good to know you don't have to bring the patrol bag with the intermediate bag for cold weather. I need to get a merino wool blanket. I just have the U.S. Army wool blanket, quite scratchy.
Dave I took your advice and got a Gortex Bivy and the intermediate black bag And a queen size wool blanket I've learned alot from you and Blackscout survival .. I live in Yellowknife Canada it gets about -55 Celsius up here, I don't plan to go out in that, -30 no problem. Much respect from Canada!!!!
Good video. Well covered. Can't believe someone can't sit through an ad to get the great info you give.
I have watched many of Dave Canterbury's videos over the seasons and this will be my 1st & only comment on ALL of the info he has helped provide:
I love the background history he provides as well the different views & opinions from others he informs us about. And I always walk away feeling as though I have learned something. Even if it isn't about the info I originally was looking for!
If I had the money I would attend his school just for learning something new & perhaps a useful/fun skill that may have been lost.
Thanks for all....
Something that i've picked up while sleeping in cold weather is that one of the hardest parts is getting out of a warm sleeping bag just to put on cold clothing. if your taking off cloths to stay at your comfort level while sleeping stuff 'em in the bag with you! it keeps them at a constant temp and doesn't give your body a shock when you get them on. if your a real pro then you can even get dressed without leaving the bag. Dave you and your instructors are a fountain of knowledge. keep it going
Well said! I will watch an ad ANYDAY to have access to a great channel like this for free. Some people you just can't please.
Dave, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us here in youtube land. Your knack for teaching and experience is a gold mine. Thank you for all you do!
Great video Dave. I haven't been able to land a good wool blanket yet but I've used a $15 sleeping bag with a fleece blanket inside down to the low 30's and been perfectly warm.
Used many bags until I got a Wiggy's bag. Never looked back. Bought a 20F and aZero. When it isn't holding its temp rating its time to wash it in the washer. In zero temps or less I use my blanket on the outside of the zero bag. In the morning the underside of the wool has snow on it because the Wiggy;s bag lets your moisture go through it. With that combo I only get to -7 F. Great instructions Dave. I use 2 wool blanket down to 35F with extra clothes. Comfort is relative--so true.
Hi Dave..I think the 3rd sleeping bag is an old swiss army sleeping bag. Thanks for all your vids! You are just great!
I like the look of the full sleep system and getting mine shipped soon enough the US Forces definately like to sleep well. I think the last bag is an old German bag from the military I seem to recall seeing 1 before believe it is a cold wether issue piece and think it may come with another liner too, I could be wrong though so please don't quote me! Agree with other comments I have seen on many videos too... your opinion is GOLD. Great advise and help for us in the UK too.
Thank you
Dan
Dave, that Eco-Tac bag works great as a cocoon around the exterior of a hammock during winter time temps to keep you toasty. I use a similar center zip bag with the foot open with a draw string, around the entire hammock and then I can be wrapped up in a wool blanket or bag inside. It creates a cocoon of dead air space for the heat and is a system I've used down to zero degrees. Try it out!
Love your opinions, they have helped me and my family for some time now. Thanks and God Bless
YES! Bushcraft/survival both go hand in hand. One would not exist without the other.
the Navy issued woolen blankets ( I had 2) on the ship along with an Emergency Escape Breathing Device [EEBD] as part of a system to evacuate the berthing department in case of fire. The blankets were high wool content and thicker than the shore duty blankets for that reason. I have the three piece sleep system but also use a canvas bag and add a blanket lined canvas bivy that I made. They both have a time and a place.
I'm watching this as I pack to head to the shoot at knob creek this weekend. I feel a whole lot better about my choices for my sleeping gear. I'm taking my mms system plus 2 wool blankets 100 percent Italian and a 100 percent gi issue along with a gi mat. I'm pretty sure I'll have any temp range covered. Thanks Dave couldn't have timed this video any better.
Nice to see an expert using the wool blankets the way i do and used to do. They are so versatile. What i lose in the insulating power of a sleeping bag i gain in the multiuse of a blanket.
I have a pair of Rocky's (Bear Claws) 1000 grams of Thinsulate Insulation and Gortex. I have had these for probably 6 years and they are still in great shape. The tread on the bottoms are the best I have ever had. They grip everything and the design makes it to where mud doesn't cake up on the soles. I can wear them if it is cold or warm outside and they are always comfortable. The Gortex allows your feet to breathe and I have never had an issue of sweaty feet or cold feet.
Thanks Dave for telling about sleeping bags. I notice on one of your school vids it was cold and it appeared some were freezing there rear with a wool blanket and went on a sleeping bag run or wanted too. I have camped no fire in winter with a sleeping bag, blanket, combo.Many times not enough wood to keep fire going all night and waking up to feed it over and over again.
Excellent dissertation on Sleep kit. One thing id offer for some of your viewers is Kifaru Woobie, I bought mine many years ago and use it daily even conus, I sleep in the bush all the time rarely indoors and a lot of it in mountains of Afg. its not a single source or common man item item but compacts small in your ruck and adds warmth when needed. MY GF says im a 53 YO man with a security blanket.
Dave,
I use the Alpaca alternative, 96x96 on ebay for $90, 4x's warmer, wicks moisture, doesn't pick up dirt or grime, lighter that wool, won't mildew, compresses smaller...works for me in 0 to 10 degree weather here in Nevada in conjunction with Alps pad and 10-30bag. Love your teaching style...John
depends on the bag. if you have the old style bag (side zipper), the easiest way is to open the bag fully, fold the blanket in half and lay it inside. you could use safety pins to secure the blanket to the upper flap. with a mummy bag (top zip), use the blanket at a diagonal. fold up the corner that will be at your feet, loosely fold the sides and lay it in. unfold the sides, slip in. cover your feet, half wrap the blanket, zip partially and continue until snug as a bug.
Right on Dave! I've heard stories of how someone's wool blanket was no good.. lol If it's -10 f and all you have is a wool blanket... Great info for a lot of folks! I love how you have evolved Dave over the years and pride myself on being able to adapt also. Closed mindedness will hurt a person. Great video!
You're a busy man lately, Dave. You're putting out some really high quality videos and lots of them. Looks like you're bringing things up to date based on experience, and I appreciate that. Take care.
Hey Dave I have a German sleep system that is similar to the German bag you have. The one I have has sleeves in it and it also has a rubberized bivy similar to the old style wet weather jackets the army used to use. the cool factor about it other than the sleep system having sleeves is that it has a cross center zipper that allows it to be unzipped and rolled up from the bottom to be worn as a jacket. If you run across one get it you wont be disappointed.
That first bag that you showed is awesome, I love the fact that it has a draw string so you can slide it over your hammock and have an under quilt and on over quilt.
That ecotat bag would be perfect for going around a hammock as a top quilt and under quilt. You could pass the hammock through the hood and out the foot box and with the top zipper it would be a killer automn hammock setup
Bought the complete MMS at the local military surplus store for $60. Came with a compression bag that really makes the whole unit pretty small. In summer, I sleep on top the patrol bag in my hammock. When it's snowing, I use both bags in the hammock with a pad & reflective bubble wrap underneath. Maybe if we have an ice storm I'll try the bivvy. Shouldn't store bags compressed. They'll loose lift. To fluff them up a bit, put em in a clothes dryer (on low) with a couple of tennis balls.
MSS is my choice. The goretex bivy is great for shielding and can hide all your gear from the elements while you're inside if you pack light. Doubles as a dog bed lol. I also only carry the black bag and two smaller wool blend blankets (only fall/winter). All inside the compression sack at the bottom of my Duluth #3. Great to create a modified "pod" that makes an under/over quilt for cold hammock sleeping by simply cutting a small hole at the bottom and sew hem and rig the bungees up.
Great to see another option for bags. I will have to keep an eye out for that last one. I really like the shape and size. Live the big shoulder room!!!
Respectfully Dave, I appreciate all you do. I spent thousands between your store and vendors [Duluth, RR, BHK, Empire]. I try to make positive comments regarding videos; answer questions [repeating what I've heard you say] from posters. I consider myself a strong supporter of you, your family, vendors and friends and you are welcome, as you thank us for it in each vid. But-
Even I am getting tired of enduring the 30 sec GM ads. Bad enough my taxes bailed the company out. Sorry Dave. JMHO
These german military bags are virtualy indestructable ..had a bunch of them (all ~30 and more years old) and they are spotless. No messed up stiches or holes ..the insulation is all in place and all in all ..absolutely BOMBPROOF..(+the convinient center zipper) .I recently bought the USGI MSS also and IMO is warmer than the German bag but I find size zippers very inconvinient - maybe I'll get used to it). Leson learnt: Bag+Wool blanket = have the best things and versatility ! Great video! 10x
I will, bro. Just bought some gear from your store and look forward to getting it out into the field for use. Thanks again for providing these informative videos.
I have to agree with you on the bushcraft/survival topic. I started with survival, and I orient myself with survival in mind in all things I do. I suppose I am the survival one in our group, the other two are more bushcrafting oriented. And the gear and mindset come in to play.
Well done Dave.
I camped last night, under a tarp shelter. I had 2 dept. Store sleeping bags and a cheap wool based blanket. I opened the bags up as blankets. On below, one above. Blanket on top of that. Had a foam pad underneath me and then a tarp as a ground cover. Fire was banked heavy, but wasn't large. Only thing cold was my toes. They were away from the fire. It got down below 40 and I slept well all night. Gotta work on the cold toes. Maybe a second pair of socks.
I know you were asking Dave, but I had to let you know about those. I know that it is miserable having cold feet when doing something outdoors, especially hunting. I also know that there are probably a bunch of really good boots out there, but the ones I have are the best ones I have ever owed and I have tried many different ones. Any boot that allows your feet to breathe and are water proof are good ones.
Love your videos Dave ! All the best to you and your family.
The ecotat might be useful with a hammock since the bottom has a draw string. You can wrap it around the hammock and create loft. And bags designed specifically for that cost hundreds of dollars.
Another super vid Dave. Up here in Canada as I tend to go solo so much I tend to carry sleeping gear that's relevant to the season. That means some heavy gear in the winter which always leads to the curse of sweating. As soon as the fall hits I wear nothing but layers of wool.
As usual right on the money Dave !!!
On a canoe trip I tried just my military wool blanket then added my 30 F sleeping bag in 30 F in a tent and it was very chilly. My thermarest saved the day once I brought it out :)
Good Video. I've been carrying 2 wool blankets and a base mat in the winter. I've been down to 27 degrees w/o fire and in the snow so far. As long as I was buried in them it wasn't bad at all. Going to continue to try and push them again this year. 1 is German and I believe the other is an Israeli blanket.
David, been watching through your videos here in 2019, and I have to say this is some great stuff. I'm just getting into bushcraft, as a way to not only gain outdoors competence but to reconnect with the experiences of my ancestors. Love these videos. Thanks.
Love the back to basics series bro. Just had another successful purchase from the pathfinder store. Great shipping and great products. Thanks for all you do my man
always good insight on this topic. hopefully you can find the time to do a cold weather overnighter this winter, with a tarp, blanket, etc. im sure i would pick up some tips.
Hi Dave, been a fan for a long while. Anyway, did a little research and the last bag you showed seems to be a swiss military sleeping bag. Its on the keepshooting web site. Even has the yellow tag on the flap. Keep it up and thanks for so much good info.
The third sleeping bag is a Swiss standard military issue one. A friend of mine survived a night in a storm when it was raining cats and dogs, without a shelter in November. I also had great experience with it.
Another awesome video Dave. Very useful. I don't mind the ads haha. Some people will just find anything to gripe about. We all appreciate what you do and teach us and even better you make it free to watch. 2 thumbs up from north east Indiana!
I love your videos Dave! How I will find time to watch all of them I will never know!
I lucked out and got a -10f MMS bag and stuff sack for 9.00 and the gortex bivy for 15.00 when the Vet Standdown came to town a couple years ago. I bought from a homeless Vet who wanted a bottle of booze and had no interest in camping equipment.
Glad you've been to my neck of the woods, the U.P.! I use a G.I. Intermediary bag picked up at St. Vincent DePaul for $10, good for -10*, me (5'10" 180) and my Pitbull (57lbs.) fit in it, in a Claytor jungle hammock.
Saludos desde España ! Gracias por compartir con nosotros su experiencia , esta haciendo un trabajo umanitario .Se merece un premio Nobel . Muchas gracias Señor Dave.
You have awesome stuff and I really enjoy watching all your videos. I was wondering if you had ever thought about doing a 21st century longbow man series?
Thanks Dave, your teaching me so much.
Very good point at the beginning. Always be prepared for a survival scenario. Even if you go on a hike, bring at least a couple ways to start fire and process wood. Could save you, especially as winter closes in.
Wiggy's also makes some extra long center zip sleeping bags with drawstring footboxes in various temperature ratings that can be combined for increased temperature rating. They work great as that pod system you described above on gathered end sleeping bags.
You convinced me, Dave! You are the Master!
Great info as always Dave, your sincerity shines through on this vid for some reason. More so than others.
That last sleeping is german military. I used one for years. I bought it 6 years about for $30 from the sportsmen guide. Its a very durable an warm bag. I would rate it for 35 degrees.
Great video Dave....remember the old Army poncho liners?...kept my 6 warm many a nights!!!.......wife and I still fight over my poncho liner...need to pick up another one!
Dave, you mentioned the scenario with your wife and kids. I am getting into self reliance/bushcraft to teach my kids more about the outdoors. What would change in how you pack your gear if you were to have your family with you? In my scenario I have a 2 and 3 year old. I only have a small pack right now with the first 5 c's and some redundancies. I also keep like kids snacks in it. I have one pocket on it used by the kids for any "treasure", they may find while we are out. Just curious?
Great review with excellent commentary on why you have those bags. Thanks again for a very good video.
I would recommend the down bags from the company Nunatak. They are made in the USA. I would direct you to their product called Raku which can be used as both a garment and a sleeping system. I myself use their Arc System gear as I am an ultralight backpacker. Both the Raku and Alpinist lines have the center zipper.
You answered alot of my questions I had about wool blankets thank you sir.
I use the IMSS and wool blanket. Just the patrol bag at minimum(i live more south than you), then add the wool with it when its cooler, then add it all when its freezing and below. That I learned from you but I always use the wool blanket on the outside so Ill have to try it on the inside next time unless Im by the fire than Ill keep the wool on the outside. Thanks for another tip.
Ecotat is now now being sold under the name "Freedom Shelter - Super Light". I think they were the original manufacturer of these bags if anyone is looking. They are pricey though!
I've got a sleeping bag I doubt Dave would review and would probably laugh at, it's mostly for "truck camping". It's a MONSTER, got it from Cabela's, it's a 5in1 and weighs in at a hefty 24lbs!! I do have lighter, smaller bags, and 3 different wool blankets, but that beast is rated for -40 and will fit a BIG man! You could backpack with it as long as you had a Sherpa guide to haul it for you - LOL!
I like my wool blankets but I had a chance to get a couple of the military 4 pc. sleep systems for under a hundred bucks each and haven't regretted it. My 13 yr old daughter loves hers and for the first month or so when i got them, she used hers on her bed. I actually had to go in while she was at school and roll it up and put it away.
Hey Dave, I was hoping that you could do a JMHO about Base-layers I have been having a heck of a time sorting through all the none-sense and Fall/Winter is right around the corner. Been loving these JMHO series the Knife one was my favorite thus far. Keep up the great work!
Really awesome video dave. I have the MSS and have tried to pack it in my bag. Its hefty. I think im goining to utilize a 30L dry bag, like you. Its much more space efficient and makes sense, since I also have wool blankets. Thanks again.
Survival is bushcraft put into practice. Great video.
A benefit of a game cart is that you can use it to haul materials. The more you can lug in one trip, the less trips you need to make. Increasing efficiency. This is true regardless of what you're hauling. Wood, stones, moss, leaves. I hear they're even pretty handy for hauling out deer.
Eberlestock makes some fantastic center zip bags that can fit together as well. Kifaru slick bags are crazy warm & never have to worry about losing loft. I have both MSS and I believe the ACU version is better, but I think the next 1 has fr added to it.
This was pointed out in the video. . . But I will add that this is geared more towards down filled bags. Synthetics, like the military sleep system, aren't as vulnerable to a loss in R value like down is. Although it is a very good idea to allow them to air out.
Appreciate all your tips. Born of experience and testing. Got a wool blanket, need more. Need to know how to use my kit to best effect. Thank You.
Great video brother. Good all around breakdown of all the different varieties.
I believe that green bag is an old swiss army sleeping bag. I remember buying one on eBay about 20 years ago for about £10. I just had a quick look and there is one for sale now for 325 dollars with a bivvy bag. I better try and find out which one of my children borrowed it...
Keep them coming Brother. I have learned a ton just watching your videos. I would also encourage your subscribers to support the effort by utilizing your "store" whenever possible. True, you can sometimes find some of this stuff a little cheaper elsewhere, but it doesn't come with the free education. Your efforts are much appreciated.
Maybe you could design your own bag dave, cause you seem to have a lot of experience with sleeping systems and know how they should be to get a good night sleep, thanks for the video, awsome!
Amazed by your videos straight forward and to the point. Subbed cause your channel is legit with no drama!
Was someone bashing you for monitizing your channel Dave?? I looked for the comment but didn't see it. I'm sorry you have to deal with those type of people. I love your videos and fully support you brother. Another great video with a wealth of useful info. Your videos will save lives if not already.
That particular example was German, but they're standard issue in most of the NATO countries. Mine is just like it and it's Dutch manufactured, and came with a waterproof outer bivy layer that also zips up the center. They're good quality bags and can usually be had cheap. The Sportsman's Guide is also selling a Guide Gear copy of it for about $35 dollars.
Last bag looked a lot like a "smokers jacket" (field jacket liner) material. Which we all know is warm and even somewhat water resistant....to a point
Nice run down man
I just love all your videos Dave!! I hope I find one of those bags for $20 like you did. That is an absolute steal.
my dad used to be a mountainer and has go to like 4 or 5 continents to climb mountains,and has a room full of equipment with an old sleeping bags and all the zippers dosn't work..it's a problem that in sometimes their arnt very trustable...and I agree as he said...hiking,canoeing,fishing,hunting or bushcraft require a certain level of survavalism knowledge
Watching this from my wall tent in the Catskill Mountains on my cot while in my MSS Intermediate Bag (the black one) with my vintage Hudson Bay. Snug as a bug in a rug on a 31° night just a few hours before tramping out into the woods for a little deer hunting.
i have an alpaca wool queen size blanket very thick and warm. inside its too warm to use.
Hey dave that bag you showed in this is very similar to what is being generally issued. They are good bjt designed for modern layering. The old sleeping systems , you could get away without some laying on your body. Oh if anyone is looking for miljtary surplus look online for lejuene yard sales, and some like it. People have surplus gear they don't need. You would be surprised at what you can find.
Hi Dave , that looks similar to the British Army Arctic bag .
This is fantastic, thanks!
I am getting back into bushcraft after 30 years of alleged civilised living. One thing I dont want to do is to go wasting a whole bundle of money on stuff that just has no chance of working out for me. An example would be that I tried to get into my old sleeping bag the other day. I used to be 6ft 2" and slimishly built / 44 chest and 34 waist. That bag fitted me ok, but was never that warm, so before just throwing it out, I tried it on. What an eye opener! I couldn't get the zip done up, lol. So, I looked around at what's available at the UK and I quickly came to realise that what seems to be out there is geared around people who are slim. Not 50yr old carrying excess weight.
Seeing the examples you just showed has brought me to the conclusion that I am probably going to have to buy from the USA and then pay at least half that again when it hits the UK border. Something I have no choice in if I want to be warm and comfortable at night rather than carrying a truck loads of blankets and quilts around.
So, thanks again for the video and demo's of the bags and blankets. Truly appreciated.
hold on there buddy, i thought the same thing, not so!! what u are seeing here and what he is talking about is army sleep bags, those guys are slim dude, its well documented and talked about on utube how tight these bags are, the winter bags have to be cosy to keep in the heat, iv heard ppl 6'2 say the black bag of the mms is too small for them, others say its okay,i have the complete system and think ur height will be just okay, im 6'1, u can get a longer version though there rare, but u will have to watch ur weight, im 16-1/2 stone, broad shouldered,little stomach, i look big but not that heavy, iv heard ppl 5'8 and 13-1/2 stone say they cannot get into the black bag, im cosy and okay in it, the green bag is much bigger, for spring to autumn the green bag and termals or wool blanket, id look at the dutch hooped bivvy but u may not need one at all, there heavy so it depends on what ur doing and what ur system is, okay cheers.
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Thanks for the concern, but at the time I believe I was referring to the apparent size of the brown quilted (last one?) bag with the big foot area and using a quality Merino wool blanket with it. Which would likely need buying separately, rather than the systems which are available semi locally. An example of which would be this huge outdoors shop my son drove me to today.. I tried (with the shops permission and my footwear off) every single 3-4 season bag they had and the only one I could fit in with any degree of comfort or even do the zip up in some cases, was a double blanket with no hood or pillow sleeve. Yep, you have guessed it, I am heavier than your good self. My weight hovers around the 19 stone (266 lb) area. At worst it will top out at 19 1/2 stone or it may drop to almost 18. Before you go thinking that I suffer from he "one hole's a lot bigger than the other syndrome" where I cant stop eating, I would like to point out that I rarely eat what I would call a proper sized meal (only 1 course) and even then, I only usually eat once a day - Except this week because my good neighbour opposite me made me a home made fruit loaf and that thing's more moreish than I dont know what. But this was a rare occurrence. Usually its between 6 and 7 meals a week. Exercise?? Yeah, am trying to do that and learning to walk more than 100yards or so without my legs collapsing beneath me, which is hugely embarrassing when you end up laying there in the gutter! Anyway, I digress.
The whole point being that I am likely going to have to end up buying from the USA - In my opinion - as there is likely to be more choice for a 6ft 2ish overweight fella than I can find in the UK. Without meaning to be rude or offensive to any Americans here, I did notice on my Y2K visit to Florida that the average size men and women were a lot larger than those I was used to seeing and after visiting Shoney's, I think it was, I began to learn why. My weekly grocery list was being served up to me for one meal ! Add to that, the fact that I have no problems with actually calling the mail order store to talk over what I need, find out there and then if 1, they can help me and 2, they ship internationally. If 1 and 2 are both ticked, then the chances are that I will be spending some money with them. If not, then it's thank for you time and I'm gone. Leaving them to get on with their day and me with mine.
A for instance. That last bag which I liked was old and German, I believe. Makes sense to look for it Germany, yes? No. I cant speak German and not all German people speak English, so rather than chasing something I am unlikely to find and trying to deal with the language barrier, it's so much easier to call the States, as we at least kinda speak the same language ;) and find something which will fit both myself and a good woollen blanket too. After all, I cant believe that America is relying solely on surplus and Alpine / Scandinavian made sleeping bags. Are they?!?!?!
Good points at the beginning. Survival in nature is applied bushcrafting.
All wool blankets are not created equal. I bought one that said it was 90% wool. I thought 10% less would be okay for my Texas weather. I took it out last night since it was supposed to get down to the high 40's. I froze to death even though I was under a tarp and in a hammock. As the sun came up I pulled the blanket over my head and could still see the sun through it. I could see the weave of the blanket and it looked like a checker board. Remember weave matters also.
I too have se3veral types of sleeping bags, that were used on the AT, shipped back and forth to my home for the different environments encountered on the trail. Mike
I have the exact same one we were issued in Afghanistan accidentally kept “oops”!! Very good bag. It gets cold at night over there
It's a common known fact: Downs are the warmest sleeping bags ever. Sythetics cann't mess with. But you are right, Geoff, if downs get wet you're lost in a fridge!