*V2* MIT Toroidal Prop Testing on a 3" Kopis FPV - ASTONISHING results!

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  • Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
  • Alright!
    PLA toroidal propellers V2!!!
    Potato props. :D
    Here, I print out the V2 design from STRIKING FPV, and put the toroidal propellers to the ultimate test!
    In this video, I'm flying a MIT toroidal propeller on a 3" Kopis FPV using ASTONISHING results!
    If you're looking to up your FPV game then you need to check out this experiment! I'm using a MIT toroidal propeller designed by @STRIKINGFPV on a 3" Kopis FPV to see how it performs. What I'm discovering is ASTONISHING!
    / @strikingfpv
    D gains back to normal, and throttle back to 100%.
    Printed in silk PLA, these will take some abuse!
    Lest see how she flies!
    astonishing
    adjective
    as·​ton·​ish·​ing ə-ˈstä-ni-shiŋ
    Synonyms of astonishing
    : causing a feeling of great surprise or wonder : SURPRISING

КОМЕНТАРІ • 483

  • @STRIKINGFPV
    @STRIKINGFPV 2 роки тому +131

    It's so cool to see them actually flying well! Job done, I can retire 🤣. But seriously, I never thought my design would end up being this stable.
    I dare say, though, that silk PLA is playing a big role in making these viable as a printable prop, and that's a fantastic discovery on your part, I'll have to make a note of this for future versions 👍.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +11

      Don't go too mad with them, I took a other personal 'spirited' flight, crashed hard and did all 4 props. Again. 🤣🤣🤣

    • @STRIKINGFPV
      @STRIKINGFPV 2 роки тому +5

      @@nozzlewizard Ah well, main thing is no full throttle prop'splosion like your first run 😅.
      I should also consider having the blade taper in thickness, like slightly thicker at the hub, thinner towards the tip maybe.

    • @NotOfThisWorld567
      @NotOfThisWorld567 2 роки тому +2

      Glad to see these things fly after seeing the video of them being designed, I was left wanting so much more. Would be cool to see a noise/sound/volume comparison between typical 3 blade props and these. Isn't the main selling point of torroidal props the noise level?

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +3

      @@NotOfThisWorld567 if only I had more time to do more testing. As soon asni am able to do these tests, I will upload something.

    • @MlnscBoo
      @MlnscBoo 2 роки тому

      WTF SPOILER!! lol

  • @maverickhenry9988
    @maverickhenry9988 2 роки тому +15

    So excited to see all the versions that people are going to make and to see this V2 be a surprising success to a lot of what people imagined when a whole different prop design being used for drones so amazing because when a commercial prop comes out with one that’s injected molded it’s going to be crazy to see some head to head with top end props and just different applications this had to grow drones in all.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +3

      Mad isn't it! I'm just happy to try something different. 😀

  • @THarSul
    @THarSul 2 роки тому +10

    i love how these tri-loop toroidal props look kinda like the old biohazard warning logo

  • @sulphur_fpv
    @sulphur_fpv 2 роки тому +16

    They look very promising, I done a test print with ASA of the V2 3" ones last night and the design looks great and seems strong enough. Had a little bit of stringing on the underside so I need to retune my printer but looking forward to trying them. My plan is to print them, balance them, lightly acetone smooth them then re balance them and send it😉

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +3

      I am too lazy to acetone prints - and usualy end up melting them. :D
      Let me know how it goes - I am looking forward to the next prop evolution from STRIKINGFPV!

    • @greggv8
      @greggv8 2 роки тому +1

      @@nozzlewizard try a dip in some clear acrylic floor polish to smooth the surface a bit.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      @@greggv8 what a great idea! 😀

    • @greggv8
      @greggv8 2 роки тому +1

      @@nozzlewizard I did a vase print of a dice cup in clear PLA then coated it with Future acrylic floor polish. Made it a lot more transparent. A second coat smoothed it more. If you have some of these props resin printed to be even smoother it's not difficult or too expensive to make silicone molds for pressure casting in resin. I've been doing silicone mold making and resin casting since 2000. I've come up with plenty of tricks to make the job much easier and results better. Happy to share my experience.

  • @johnty505
    @johnty505 2 роки тому +2

    as a city centre apartment dweller - wow thats a massive back garden - lovely!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      We are very lucky to be here. The kids, all 5 of them love the garden. 😀

  • @willpowerfpv3246
    @willpowerfpv3246 2 роки тому +6

    Bad boy! 🔥 Easily the best version of these I've seen so far. Nice work, Johnny!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +2

      Thanks WillPowerFPV, I really appreciate your comment! Very kind. 😀

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Sorry about the smelling pistake. Corrected. 🤣

    • @willpowerfpv3246
      @willpowerfpv3246 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard haha, all good! I got ya.. 😅✌️

  • @jeffwinder7010
    @jeffwinder7010 2 роки тому +2

    Love it!!! Oh --and the silk filament idea.. brilliant !!!! I have loads of silk filament to try it with! 💗💗)

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Works for me! I'm sure PETG is better as would be ABS, but silk pla is easy to print and works fine for me!

  • @antenedilbert7191
    @antenedilbert7191 2 роки тому +1

    I'm from TamilNadu! I just saw your Video. Man 3D printing has enabled inventions from a research organisation to be printed at your home with decent knowledge 3d modelling. Imma Try this on my BETA Xknight. although very cautiously. Propeller Sound seems to be less from your FPV. Correct me if I'm wrong. Toroidal fins "For the Wins" Huge SHOUT OUT & Thanks to U ;-D MIT guys OGly

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Love 3d printing, and combining it with fpv and experimental parts is just awesome!

  • @mattfinleylive
    @mattfinleylive 2 роки тому +5

    Beautiful printing! EDIT: I don't do any of this, but I do appreciate your guys work.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Matt, the print came out ok! quite surprised really. :D

  • @glitchy8429
    @glitchy8429 2 роки тому +1

    Definately the best execution of toroidal props I’ve seen so far. Seen too many bad prints in tpu that do the physics zero justice. Switching to props-in configuration should prevent that yaw washout and make the turns much better.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Awe, thanks! I appreciate the comment!

  • @ebaab9913
    @ebaab9913 2 роки тому +1

    As a tech, I noted that this flight used about half the current to the previous flight video from a couple of days back. Had heard that these toroidal type props were more efficient and quieter. So far to me they do not seem quieter.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      I would agree with you here. Just worse performance, no notable difference in noise, but a fun test none the less.

  • @EJ-74
    @EJ-74 2 роки тому +2

    NIIIICE 👌 So awesome to see this actually work 👍🏻

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      It's odd right, I expected them to fail massively.

  • @nosesabe_
    @nosesabe_ 2 роки тому +1

    "Its sunday morning and Im an idiot" This has to be the best start of a video ever

  • @Nanoblaster77
    @Nanoblaster77 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you so much for this. So many people trying to call BS on these props. I need a few sets like now. Lol.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Hi nearly, they were FUN to fly. And the grip is not to be sniffed at. It is mental! 😀

  • @michaelwhouse46
    @michaelwhouse46 2 роки тому +8

    Nice work! I printed a set of the bi and tri versions for a 5" in PETG last night and will try them out this afternoon. They are unique. I doubt I'll use them much but wanted to see if it was something I could print and try out.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      One you ger to grips with the potential traction, they are a blast!
      I'll be keeping a set handy for sure.

    • @ilia1350
      @ilia1350 Рік тому

      how did it go with the weight ? I was planning to print a set, but looking at Cura's expected filament usage/weight, it's like 3 times heavier than conventional props. So i kinda lost interest for a moment

  • @metavet9242
    @metavet9242 2 роки тому +1

    It’s F/Sunday and I was bored up until very recently..
    Thankyou. 🍓

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      You are most welcome! Happy Sunday!

  • @clifffield1
    @clifffield1 2 роки тому +1

    At least now I can say that “I was commenting on your videos before you were famous”… Cheers!

  • @gaius_enceladus
    @gaius_enceladus Рік тому

    Excellent props! They give outstanding handling, that's for sure!

  • @dubbified
    @dubbified 2 роки тому +4

    Great setup and I like your flying! I'd really like to see the arms holding motors be able to change their pitch independently.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +2

      I wonder how that would be controlled and what you would gain from it... Sounds like an experiment!
      Thanks for the comment. :)

    • @EJ-74
      @EJ-74 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard I'm wondering would it help to not have to pitch the drone to move forward instead have the arms pitch while moving forward 🤔 Seems like it would have less drag 🤔 I'd love to see someone try it 😁

  • @campraincloud
    @campraincloud 2 роки тому +1

    HA! This is my sunday morning as well! These props are mind-boggling. I just printed one of the bi-blades and the natural flex was the first thing I noticed, too!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Awesome! What material did you print them in?

    • @campraincloud
      @campraincloud 2 роки тому +1

      @@nozzlewizard I printed one bi-loop in transparent yellow PLA. Just regular old stuff knowing I’d print it again. I’m going to try it on an airplane today and see what happens!

  • @vexunaerials7185
    @vexunaerials7185 2 роки тому +3

    Wow! These new props can really make a difference in the FPV world!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      For cinewoop, certainly. I'm sure something will come out of these new designs.

    • @vexunaerials7185
      @vexunaerials7185 2 роки тому +2

      @@nozzlewizard waiting for it, and waiting for you to try it 😁

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      @@vexunaerials7185 count me in! 😀

  • @aaron6516
    @aaron6516 2 роки тому +10

    Very cool... this may be the fix for prop guards on whoops... you can get bigger props and stay under 250g

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +3

      Now there's a thought!

    • @paulhope3401
      @paulhope3401 2 роки тому

      Yep, the props have to be heavier though.. so may require a larger motor to have the same responseivness.. which might nullify any weight savings.

    • @friendlyfire01
      @friendlyfire01 2 роки тому +1

      Interesting, you may get a bit more efficiency at a given size, but it's going to be giving something up too. namely this will be responsiveness, because these props are gonna weigh probably twice what a comparable conventional prop would weigh. That makes a big difference to the pids, and overall stability.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +2

      @@friendlyfire01 Absolutely. Nothing is free, and some gains will cost performance somewhere else.
      I'm not saying these are amazing, but I am surprised they worked as well as they did.
      Worth noting that the design is not the MIT one, but @STRIKINGFPV. It has the same basic principal, but thats about it in terms of similarity.
      Quite a few people commenting on other videos that this is a scam etc. Well, from where I see it, these props are nothing to do with MIT, and everything tondo with STRIKINGFPV as it's his design based on MIT principal.
      Anyhow, I digress... Did I mention they are made out of potato? 🤣

  • @theK8pTn-G
    @theK8pTn-G 2 роки тому +1

    I was trying to go to bed, but this must be seen. Love your work! 😴 waits!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Hello again Captain Gary. I'm glad you'll get to see Captain Monty Propellerhead the 1st in this video! 🤣

  • @JustinTimeForAdventures
    @JustinTimeForAdventures 2 роки тому +1

    Bravo, thanks for testing.

  • @andrewut7ya511
    @andrewut7ya511 2 роки тому +1

    I thought the buildplate in the thumbnail was a box of props you bought, im about to print some of these thangs!!! I might try carbon pla, its will likely break in a crash but should be ok for flying, i think.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Most carbon PLA is just carbon matt which does nothing for strength. Try PETG - nice and hot with no fan. Works beautifully!

    • @andrewut7ya511
      @andrewut7ya511 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard i have some of that too, im gonna print alot of these thangs 🙃 wood pla for an old timey hand made prop vibe, low speed cruising. I have some glow in the dark stuff too but i dont know how strong it is

  • @marianh69
    @marianh69 2 роки тому +3

    those props are beautiful and also sound really nice

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      They sound so different, it's quite nice really!

  • @dubsrcfpvandfamilyfuntimes913
    @dubsrcfpvandfamilyfuntimes913 2 роки тому +3

    Now that’s pretty cool! Seem to fly just fine!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      They fly ok for sure! Not quite up there with traditional props, but surprisingly good!

  • @alfarme
    @alfarme 2 роки тому +4

    good job on the props! enjoying your flying and commentary :)

  • @neofotografie
    @neofotografie 2 роки тому +9

    Nice video and great flying. Could you do a hover/throttle punch comparison video on your quad with these 'triloop' props vs. the regular triblades you normally fly? Would be interesting to hear the difference on the same recording setup. Maybe also compare the noise with a noise meter app on the phone? Cheers!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +6

      I'd love to, butnive just crashed the qwad on a flight pushing the limits. I'll print a new set and see if I have time over the next couple of days!

    • @neofotografie
      @neofotografie 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard :D the classic. Sounds great, thank you in advance ;)

    • @neofotografie
      @neofotografie 2 роки тому +1

      FYI quadmovr also just published a video on toroidal props, but it seems different ones. He has a comparison to 8 bladed as well and to me it doesn't really sound that much quieter ....yet: ua-cam.com/video/UWoXFdRhPKc/v-deo.html

  • @ArlindoBuriti
    @ArlindoBuriti 2 роки тому +31

    DO the new design... the bi-blade one.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +6

      Possibly, but out of time for now.

    • @pirateradioFPV
      @pirateradioFPV 2 роки тому +4

      They didn't have very much thrust when I tried them. Probably too much flex.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +12

      @@pirateradioFPV it's a tricky call, especially with all of these blades being designed without computer generated fluid dynamic simulations. I'm impressed they fly at all!

    • @pirateradioFPV
      @pirateradioFPV 2 роки тому +3

      @@nozzlewizard Yeah, I half expected mine to explode the moment I touched the throttle. I'll try the traditional tri-blades next 🤷‍♂️😂

    • @andyhoughtaling6319
      @andyhoughtaling6319 2 роки тому

      Bi-loop*

  • @iiz67
    @iiz67 2 роки тому

    Diggin' your channel, man. New to quads, diggin' that too. Have a fantastic Sunday!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Thanks Ian! It's all you guys with lovely comments like this that drive me to create more content. 😀

    • @iiz67
      @iiz67 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard Looking forward to it. I like the way you get to the point but still give a lot of details. Relevant ones even, (which seems rare these days, lol). Watching your vid made me want to fly, but it's windy today where I am, and my wife and cats won't let me fly indoors, (Don't judge!), so it's an ebike day for me. I'm going to look into these props, though!

  • @miguelroberts-vallejo7819
    @miguelroberts-vallejo7819 Рік тому

    Im just entering the hobby and at around 12:33 the low battery was making me nervous lol. Im using a cheapo $60 dollar drone and modifying it. stripped the frame and droped the gear ratio so its straight from the motor and not using gear reduction. once I get the extra cash Im looking into the FPV drones looks like a lot of fun.

  • @Oneshotfpv420
    @Oneshotfpv420 2 роки тому +1

    Nice and the zfold for fpv shit is epic

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Thanks, and oh yeah - perfect for it!

  • @lambo_drives
    @lambo_drives 2 роки тому +3

    that DID look great 👍🏼 V2 way to go

  • @Vaeloron
    @Vaeloron 2 роки тому +1

    I like that the toroidal design is more conducive to 3d printing.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      I absolutely agree with you here. I really don't think a traditional prop design 3d print would hold up well at all to 30,000rpm when made out of potato!

  • @DigitalCruzer
    @DigitalCruzer 2 роки тому +1

    Nice video... BTW if you end up in powerline, mono filament fishing line isn't conductive with a 3d printed plastic casting practice weight, but you didn't hear that from me... 😉

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Nothing to read here. Move along... 🤣

  • @Maxim_Nub
    @Maxim_Nub 2 роки тому +10

    the sound is really clear considering its 3d printed,
    amazing , really interesting testing, thank you for being one of the first hehe
    are they more like for cinematic drones? looks smooth and silent

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +4

      Smoother for sure, quieter for sure. Fun - for sure!

  • @seangk8526
    @seangk8526 2 роки тому +3

    I hope someone starts injection molding these soon. I bet the volume difference will be more apparent when they're molded in PC.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +3

      I bet. Strikingfpv will possibly be manufacturing these once the design is on-point.

    • @SlavaChrome
      @SlavaChrome 2 роки тому

      As Striking said, everyone who will manufacture them, should pay license to MIT, because they have patent

    • @DanielCrist
      @DanielCrist 2 роки тому

      @@SlavaChrome how is that possible? Toroidal propellers have existed on boats for decades, this isn't a new technology, it's just the first time it's been applied to drones.

  • @Diown
    @Diown 2 роки тому +4

    Nice progress! Could you make a sound comparison video with a sound meter :D

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +3

      This does seem to be a much requested thing.
      Sadly, I just exploded the props after a tremendous crash!
      I'll print out another set and do this in the coming days!

  • @TRITONFPV
    @TRITONFPV 2 роки тому +1

    Another great review 👊🏻

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Triton FPV! I really appreciate your comment!

  • @AirZeee
    @AirZeee 2 роки тому +1

    Love to try these on the DJI FPV, . just need a 3d printer.... :D

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      3D printers are a pain in the ass. Absolutely get one, they will ruin your life and complicate everything. A must do indeed!

  • @mattfinleylive
    @mattfinleylive 2 роки тому +1

    This looks SO much like rural Northern New Jersey, you would be shocked!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Lovely!
      This is the good old UK! :)

  • @jcoop3660
    @jcoop3660 2 роки тому

    The copper stuffs beautiful.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Sure is. Looks great when printed slowly with lots of heat.

  • @RC-Flight
    @RC-Flight 2 роки тому +2

    Great video, looks very promising! Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Do you think that this type of propeller with replace the current commercially available propeller in the future?

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Probably not anytime soon as the efficiency is not there - yet.
      As always, time will tell and the design may well radically change!

    • @RC-Flight
      @RC-Flight 2 роки тому +2

      @@nozzlewizard Just subbed your Chanel 🇨🇦

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      @@RC-Flight thankyou! I appreciate it!

  • @cinialvespow1054
    @cinialvespow1054 2 роки тому +12

    I wonder what a injection moulded version would perform like.

  • @natalyakeane
    @natalyakeane 2 роки тому +2

    the other option to get good results imo is some petg. petg at a slowish speed with the cooling fans off, should give really good layer adhesion, and make it very unlikely to explode as its very impact resistant. silk pla has a lot of the same attributes, but id be worried about flying it in the summer as it gets soft very easily in warm environments.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Absolutely. Great results with PETG - the choice for 3d printed props for sure!

  • @velvia7880
    @velvia7880 2 роки тому +2

    Print in warp free ASA or ABS, with tiny golf ball dimples and then acetone smooth them. For science
    Edit: FormFutura makes some awesome ASA called ApolloX. Is also highly UV resistant.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Superb idea! If only I had the cad skills...

  • @protocol6
    @protocol6 2 роки тому +1

    Have you seen the new CFM RiSE ductless high-bypass jet engines? What interest me is the new fins behind the propeller rather than counter-rotating blades or the traditional duct. I think they are designed to cancel the helical flow from the propeller output so it doesn't spread rapidly and lose energy. The duct on traditional high-bypass jet engines serves a similar purpose but weighs so much more and the older ductless turbofan designs wiith counter-rotating blades have a stupidly complex gearbox. This new design has an adjustable attack angle on the fins, I think, which they could adjust with RPMs or just to tune for performance but I figure you could do a fixed set optimized for hover and it might be worth the effort even if it's fairly specific to the vehicle. Adjustable ones might be worthwhile for large camera drones.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah, interesting to see these spring back up after years of dormant development status. They were so nearly ready for release 40 years ago!

  • @epi2045
    @epi2045 Рік тому

    I’m jealous of his drone piloting. Even though I have a drone FAA certification, I still consider myself a novice flying.

  • @AirZeee
    @AirZeee 2 роки тому +1

    New Sub, based solely on your intro :D

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Well, I am an idiot!
      Thanks for the sub. :)

  • @Sacto1654
    @Sacto1654 2 роки тому +2

    The sound of the blades have a very distinct whine-kind of reminded me of what happened when CFM International switched to a larger front fan on the LEAP jet engine and “buzzing” noise of the fan blades was replaced by a very distinct whine.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +2

      Yessss! The noise is more rounded and almost more refined / tonal. Very odd hearing a different noise!

  • @shawnmacfarlane871
    @shawnmacfarlane871 Рік тому

    I would like to see you use owl feather technique and sharkskin or golf ball dimples to improve the slipstream quietness

  • @h2o40fpv
    @h2o40fpv 2 роки тому +1

    Great video thank u

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Thanks for watching and the comment H2O!

  • @yaqeel100
    @yaqeel100 2 роки тому

    very nice I need to print out a pair

  • @bleeksbentbits3150
    @bleeksbentbits3150 2 роки тому +2

    Extra grip compared to 3blade prop you say?
    I had a feeling that would be the case, after all; it's practically a 6bladed prop for the most part...
    Thanks for sharing!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Absolutely. Superb grip, I was pushing much harder through the turns with way less throttle than normal!

  • @poutine420
    @poutine420 2 роки тому +1

    try doing little dunks in the trampoline net, new trickshot unlocked!!!!

  • @Gabriel-qh5yv
    @Gabriel-qh5yv 2 роки тому

    Really interesting... i enjoyed this video

  • @vipervidsgamingplus5723
    @vipervidsgamingplus5723 2 роки тому

    What about doing four loops? Maybe that would provide more thrust. Then again I have no idea how to design props for a drone.

  • @CoasttoCoastDrones
    @CoasttoCoastDrones 2 роки тому +1

    very kewl !!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      It's fun to test these things for sure!

    • @CoasttoCoastDrones
      @CoasttoCoastDrones 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard I sent it to Haye over at DroneXL ...hopefully he will feature it in the online mag

  • @maxun1
    @maxun1 2 роки тому +1

    Super excited,.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Something new that does show signs of potential for sure!

  • @fearlessflyersfpv420
    @fearlessflyersfpv420 2 роки тому +1

    looks great!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Thank you! It was great for what it is!

  • @ashleyarundel3134
    @ashleyarundel3134 2 роки тому +1

    Liked and subscribed!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Ashley, your sub means a lot! Johnny.

  • @shawnmacfarlane871
    @shawnmacfarlane871 Рік тому

    Imagine using another two step layers finer like honeycomb. Two stages smaller wings are quieter than two times

  • @Lintlikr1
    @Lintlikr1 Рік тому

    Did you notice it being any quieter? Still sounded pretty loud from the video

  • @BadChizzle
    @BadChizzle 2 роки тому +1

    Does everyone want to come to your house and fly? I do. But let’s put that aside. I enjoyed your video. Thank you.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah right, no one will fly here as I'm digital. 🤣🤣🤣
      Love your PID tuning guide by the way. Top work!

    • @BadChizzle
      @BadChizzle 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard Thanks! I put a lot of time into that concept! 😵‍💫😂🤣😂

    • @BadChizzle
      @BadChizzle 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard Oh… and we could take turns flying. It’s easy if you think it out. 🫡

  • @nothingnormalnet6588
    @nothingnormalnet6588 2 роки тому +1

    I missed out on any solid numbers here- flight time? speed? I got an idea of current draw from which I can extrapolate some notions but really wish there was a clearer documented result. You'd want to print the stock blade design in PLA (or whatever you choose) too so that we can see apples to apples.. "Its fun" well, sure.. they're ALL fun! Also, how about an STL link? or even better a .sldprt link so we can crowdsource the refinement?

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      All the info on these experimental blades are on thingiverse and designed by @Strikingfpv.
      The design is not final, so at this point there is no need to careful number examiniation etc, but as the final designs come together, yes I agree - more data needed.

    • @nothingnormalnet6588
      @nothingnormalnet6588 2 роки тому +1

      @@nozzlewizard The first step to refinement would be establishing some baseline targets "to beat" or a reasonable comparison to conventional

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      @@nothingnormalnet6588 oh absolutely - once the design is near final phases. On v2 and rough testing I don't feel the need to go in depth on someone elses design right now.
      I'm happy just printing, flying and providing feedback. 😊

  • @vonSchwartzwolfe
    @vonSchwartzwolfe Рік тому

    This 6 blade loop prop needs to be compared to standard 6 blade props comparing them to 3 blade props is just stacking the deck.😎

  • @BartdeBoisblanc
    @BartdeBoisblanc 2 роки тому +1

    That drone pulls a lot of current with the voltage dips or the battery is at the edge of the drones capacity. What is the max air time you can fly it?. Cool demo of the 3D printed blades!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Normally about 6-8 minutes. So these props are about half as efficient.

    • @BartdeBoisblanc
      @BartdeBoisblanc 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard Interesting to know. So apparently the design that decrease in vortices making the propellers quieter has less thrust to torque than normal propellers.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      @@BartdeBoisblanc It is too g to differ design to design, and material. 3d prints will never be an efficient blade type. More amp draw shows more thrust in some testing, but really, untill there is a final product, I'll withhold all direct comparison and full judgement till then. 😊

    • @BartdeBoisblanc
      @BartdeBoisblanc 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard OK so the major factor is the material manufacture method. If they were both 3D printed it would be a more equivalent comparison.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      @@BartdeBoisblanc 3d printed standard props do not hold up well at all sadly.

  • @paulhope3401
    @paulhope3401 2 роки тому +1

    Can you do a 'sausage' test comparison to see how much safer these might be for our fingers?

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Cumberland, Toulouse or Chipolata?

    • @paulhope3401
      @paulhope3401 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard :D Your choice. You can even use your fingers for a more scientific approach if you prefer... 😉
      .

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      @@paulhope3401 already did that last week. Just pulled the stitches out myself today. They were itchy. 😂

  • @tyreewadsworth1593
    @tyreewadsworth1593 2 роки тому +1

    You need to make the two blade prop they seem to work better for air use

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      From what I've seen, they produce way less thrust, which would make sense as there is one less loop. I'll see if I can print out a bi-loop design and try them out though.

  • @mr.tv001
    @mr.tv001 2 роки тому +1

    yeah ive already seen two videos now of this new propeller one had only the flying and the other only had the explaining of this and what will happen because of it

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the comment Mr. TV! More to come with V3 testing, and more verbal waffling for sure.

    • @mr.tv001
      @mr.tv001 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard nice (i definitely know what verbal waffling is)

  • @fhtagnfhtagn
    @fhtagnfhtagn 2 роки тому

    Flying around is cool, but how do you know which propellers are more efficient? Maybe try simplest tests like this: measure hovering time, measure loudness. Regular propellers vs toroidal propellers.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Regular are way more efficient. The amp draw reflects this pretty accurately on hover. Almost twice as bad on consumption.

  • @wolfpack44rpv
    @wolfpack44rpv 2 роки тому +1

    There is an expired U.S. Patent 6,736,600 "Rotor with Split Blade" to Rudolf Bannasch that looks similar to the MIT toroidal propeller. Please see Figure 7 of U.S. Patent 6,736,600. I have no idea of Mr. Bannasch's propeller has good performance or not, but it would be very interesting to see a comparison between MIT's propeller and Mr. Bannasch's propeller, especially since U.S. Patent 6,736,600 expired in 2020!

  • @imu4869
    @imu4869 2 роки тому

    Are these online? ive wanted to find some 3inch to play around with on my acro-brat. also really glad you did silk cause that what id be using XD.

  • @KatanaFPV
    @KatanaFPV 2 роки тому +1

    These could be used more for whoops in small spaces with more safety.
    Someone will make a lot of money selling these for that purpose. Pros will buy this.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      It will still slice a finger if you poke the top off them!

    • @KatanaFPV
      @KatanaFPV 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard even with ducts thats unfortunately possible also.
      Where this would shine is in small places where ducts would be too in the way.

  • @shawnmacfarlane871
    @shawnmacfarlane871 Рік тому

    I would love to see you use

  • @propabilityfpv
    @propabilityfpv Рік тому

    Its Sunday morning, I'm an idiot. Can't even count how many times I've said that phrase

  • @VladOnEarth
    @VladOnEarth 2 роки тому +1

    Try variable potch though pn each toroid,will improve performance quite a bit and further reduce noise. Pitch should start very low and get steeper from there

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      I'll wait for the next design and test - then see how it does.
      I'm no engineer or designer, just an idiot with a camera. 😀

    • @VladOnEarth
      @VladOnEarth 2 роки тому +1

      @Will It Mod? i love how smart people just love to call themselves idiots, and idiots love to call yh4mselves smart haha. You are doing great and I adore this natural curiosity to science in people. Since you can do cad, its easy, changin pitch is really a one minute adjustment to your sketch curvature. And will ge very interesting to see what it does. The idea is that air should enter the fan surface at much softer angle to avoid turbulence, and then gradually you increase pitch to turn air direction into downwards. This is how mollusks build their shells btw and its a very optimal way actually. There is also a coeficient there to try, but i forgot what it was.

  • @pirateradioFPV
    @pirateradioFPV 2 роки тому +1

    Yeah, I tried the bi-blades on the 4", that didn't really work. Almost no thrust, felt like it was mostly in the air due to the ground effect and when it was able to push itself out of the ground effect, the voltage instantly sagged really hard. Probably too much flex on the PLA, even if I tried to enforce them with the CA from the trailing edge. The yaw sinking definitely was there with those, too. Tri-blades is clearly where these are at, should they ever gain any kind of popularity.

  • @milescoleman910
    @milescoleman910 Рік тому

    Ground effect should be more prominent. Toroidal propellers are capped so should be forcing air down more than open blades that have less compression beneath them

  • @Chompchompyerded
    @Chompchompyerded 2 роки тому

    Want a really crazy project? Ditch the toroidal prop and make moebius bottle prop. A moebius bottle NOT a Klein bottle. Klein have no aerodynamic properties that a brick doesn't also possess. The prop must be uniform throughout the entire strip. The props must also be set up in a quadcopter design such as you are currently flying. The prop should be mounted on the centre axis of the moebius bottle.
    Love the improvements your toriodals have made. Are you going to try to improve it to the point where you can use your drone to cut the grass next summer? As fast as that thing goes, you could probably have the whole garden cut and trimmed in just a few minutes.
    I'm looking forward to you getting it under such good control that you can fly at high speed underneath the caravan and back out on the other side.

  • @davidnickisson2555
    @davidnickisson2555 2 роки тому +1

    Would love to see a design that's been made in CAD using CFD analysis, 3D printed on a resin printer

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      I'm utterly useless at cad. Microsoft 3d builder is about all I can deal with. 🤣

  • @greedfox7842
    @greedfox7842 Рік тому

    I want to order a set of these blades made in PEEK or Ultem, the machines that work in those plastics are like 70k, but you can get parts made through xeomety for a decent price per/cm3.
    using a high end plastics in a solid high resolution SLA printing would be ideal.

  • @seaned7525
    @seaned7525 2 роки тому +1

    It appears that the Bernoulli effect is not implemented in these toroidals. where can i look at the cad data? maybe i can help improve the design.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Check out @strikingfpv channel.

    • @seaned7525
      @seaned7525 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard EXCELLENT ! Thank You

  • @maksimmaksimovich4296
    @maksimmaksimovich4296 2 роки тому +2

    Доброго дня. Я думаю надо подключить к динамометру и проверить тягу на обычных пропеллерах и на новых пропеллерах. А то возникает ощущение, что единственный их плюс это то, что они крепче. Ну вероятно крепче они из за того, что в них в шесть раз больше пластика.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Someone has already done proper thrust tests with good results!

  • @maddercat
    @maddercat 2 роки тому +2

    I want to see a 3d version!!! I bet it would be amazing!

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +4

      My crashes would be even more spectacular and instant! 🤣

  • @EliteFpv
    @EliteFpv 2 роки тому

    It was beeping cause it assumed you had low voltage cause it was over voltage of the battery you had on it. So it thinks you have one more cell than you should. You can change the min and max voltage on battery tab

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Turns out I had the buzzer switch reversed in the controller was all. 🤣

    • @EliteFpv
      @EliteFpv 2 роки тому

      @@nozzlewizard or that haha 😂

  • @bafumat
    @bafumat Рік тому

    So quieter, yes.
    Safer, yes.
    Less responsive
    How about flight time?
    Do you think they would be more efficient for long range stuff?

  • @Nanoblaster77
    @Nanoblaster77 2 роки тому +1

    Yo I subscribed good channel man.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks so much! I really appreciate your sub! Johnny. 😊

  • @mariesvilmy5680
    @mariesvilmy5680 2 роки тому

    so now we just need to print our own props😁

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      A printed prop will never be as good as an injection moulded prop. At least, for the next 10 years till 3d printing matures even more if at all possible.

  • @pirminborer625
    @pirminborer625 2 роки тому

    You should try to sweep an airfoil profile into this shape. Should perform well better.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      There is on the v3 design from @strikingfpv. Check out the new video.

  • @bernardthongvanh5613
    @bernardthongvanh5613 2 роки тому +1

    everybody talks about that but missed delson aeronautics low noise propellers

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      I've used some in the past on model aircraft. Can't remember a thing about them!

    • @bernardthongvanh5613
      @bernardthongvanh5613 2 роки тому +1

      @@nozzlewizard apparently they sold a patent for new ones to a US based manufacturer : ua-cam.com/video/1LNKL92kMKE/v-deo.html

  • @la-b4leine-fin211
    @la-b4leine-fin211 2 роки тому +1

    Can you add your STL file into description please 🙏

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      Here you go!
      www.thingiverse.com/thing:5832892

  • @mxracingunlimitedltd7784
    @mxracingunlimitedltd7784 2 роки тому +1

    Cool video, they definitely seem to be quieter. Do you notice less thrust for any given throttle or is just more sensitive?
    Also what TX are you using with the DJI air unit system and what protocol is it? ELRS? Crossfire? Trying to look into this because it looks like you have a radiomaster transmitter and i was thinking of going with that radio, or add an external module to my Frsky Q7S for Crossfire or ELRS and get super long range, plus im used to that style controller already.. I do like the DJI RC 2 too though.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      TX16S MAX with AG01 gimbals running ELRS 3.1.2.

  • @effoffutube
    @effoffutube 2 роки тому +1

    take all the 🙌drone enthusiasts🙌 and put them with the 👐battlebot communities👐

  • @МихайлоСєльський
    @МихайлоСєльський 2 роки тому +1

    But what about efiiciency? Is there noticeable difference vs original props in terms of flying time / how long batteries last?

  • @damianomotta1809
    @damianomotta1809 2 роки тому +1

    WAAAY BETTER, NICEEE

  • @kennethdavis1628
    @kennethdavis1628 2 роки тому +1

    Nice!. Been looking for some good vids on this new prop style. Quick question - that "Silk" PLA, is that a "brand name"?

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      It is 3D warhorse silk pla, but if you can print PETG, that may be stronger!

  • @the_darkside_fpv
    @the_darkside_fpv 2 роки тому +4

    I’m a 3D pilot and I’m very curious at the benefits of these for 3D. They are symmetrical so they are a perfect solution

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому +1

      Now there is something I would like to see!
      I haven't tried 3D yet, and I am certain I would crash - but what fun it could be!

    • @muggzzzzz
      @muggzzzzz 2 роки тому +1

      You can take a look at the flight of a LOS pilot with such type of propellers here:
      ua-cam.com/video/UWoXFdRhPKc/v-deo.html

    • @the_darkside_fpv
      @the_darkside_fpv 2 роки тому

      @@muggzzzzz quadmovr is a monster lol

    • @the_darkside_fpv
      @the_darkside_fpv 2 роки тому +1

      @@nozzlewizard nothing between you and it but air an opportunity. I can help you with setup. Best way to learn is just flip over and fly straight lines which allows your mind to get used to it. Turns are cross coordinated and instead of pitching back to keep the nose up (upright flight) in turns you pitch forward to keep the nose up(inverted flight) another thing you can do is take a tiny whoop in your hands and physically do the actions so your eyes see it and translate it to the flight.

    • @nozzlewizard
      @nozzlewizard  2 роки тому

      @@the_darkside_fpv I wonder if liftoff or velocidrone has a 3d option!
      Failing that, I'll order some 3" props and run them on the 4s Kopis with those 3800kv 1507 motors. Could be really fun!

  • @TheDuckofDoom.
    @TheDuckofDoom. Рік тому

    I imagine this design has a different power efficiency map, meaning a different ideal rpm and diameter for a given power.