Big Smoke's betrayal is worse than him being aligned with your rival gang: he was one of the people behind the drive by that killed CJ's mom, sparking the beginning of the game and CJ returning home.
And when you arrive at the home, he isn't trying to murder you because he thinks you're a burglar. No, he was going to murder CJ's brother Sweet Johnson. That's why he had the bat ready and was hiding in the house.
not so fun fact: big smoke was hiding in the johnson house with a metal bat, killed cjs moms from behind, and then called in the green sabre to do a driveby
It's implied in Portal 2 that something about the way the supercomputer in Aperture labs is set up just corrupts any personality plugged into it. Wheatley has no ambitions before being plugged in to do anything other than escape and suddenly wants to start running tests when he gets plugged in. GLaDOS starts going through a personality shift once she's disconnected from the main computer and starts to re-discover the baseline personality that was used to create her, only resolving to delete it once she re-connects to the interface at the end of the game. So, it could just be that it's impossible for any kind of sentient personality to plug into the supercomputer without going mad, which makes it all the more tragic that poor Wheatley was shunted off into space to spend eternity drifting next to the space core.
Heavily implied, from what I remember, but they even give an indirect explanation of why. Wheatley didn't just lose it because he got plugged in. He lost it because he formed (or maybe inherited) a dependence on testing. When a test is successfully conducted, they receive something equivalent to a dopamine rush. Just like humans with addictions, this leads to a hijacking where they start obsessively seeking that reward response.
Yeah, in spite of the betrayal, I still loved Wheatley and wanted a happy ending for him haha This video just reminded me of how much I want Portal 3 and that it will probably never happen 😢
@@ledumpsterfire6474 Yep, he slowly switches to saying, well...maybe one test. And (iirc) talks about an unpleasant sensation until doing testing. And then when he has Chel redo the same test, it doesn't hit the same, it has to be different. And dangerous....
I always did my best to keep Yoshi alive. What really sucked was when we were about to finish the level together and he got hit by a shell and decided to run off a cliff
force when you have to leave him outside teh haunted houses and die, you don't get him back so pretty much mario left him in a place he even says scares him stiff
The Dishonored betrayal was stupid from the Loyalists' perspective. They somehow thought betraying the guy who single-handedly took care of all of their enemies, with all kinds of otherworldly abilities on top his sheer martial skill, was a good idea. The guy whose only real competition was Daud.
Been a while since I played Dishonored, but if I'm not mistaken, they didn't know Corvo had otherworldy abilities, so there is that at least. They just thought he was a skilled assassin whom they could dispose of easily if he didn't see it coming. Still stupid, but it is honestly fairly reasonable from their perspective, where not doing it when they had a chance would likely mean they'd never get another one.
It still amuses me how successful their plan was in that regard (obviously not overall. Spoilers for the end of the game but either high or low chaos, their coalition falls apart.) Like, if they had just lied to Samuel about the dosage or applied it correctly themselves, they would have beaten probably the single most dangerous individual short of The Outsider himself (Daud and Delilah could be argued as contenders for that spot but you guys have presumably played the games so you know how that turns out). It's like the equivalent of Pippin spilling a beer in Isengard which causes Saruman to trip and fall to his death in terms of incredible outcome for minimal effort.
Okay i need to pause this video for a moment to comment on how great that dishonoured clip is where the guy drinks some beer, lowers the glass and the liquid level has gone down! It infurates me in games when they have the ability to do that, and choose not to so a drink is always either an empty glass or magically always full.
The channel Rerez did a recent video about what the guy called "ice bucket", referring to an ice bucket in an early Metal Gear game where if an ice bucket was shot, cubes went flying (instead of being empty). The cubes left on the table would actually melt. And bullets shot into the bucket remained instead of magically fading away. These tiny details technically add nothing to the game but the effort is appreciated. The drink in the glass actually lowering in the Dishonored clip is what would also be considered "ice bucket", lol. Just those tiny things that aren't necessary but still make the world feel more lived-in.
As someone with this exact same pet peeve: you should play the Yakuza/Like a Dragon games. For whatever reason, they're particularly good about the details of liquids consumed in glasses during cutscenes. Also food. Yakuza: Like a Dragon (the 7th game) famously has the best bite of bread ever seen rendered with 3D models.
Like the mysterious anonymous phone calls in RE:7 clearly manipulating you to do their bidding...which helps you escape even when it's at their own expense
I didn't see Wheatley's betrayal coming, exactly. But once the computer voice asked if we wanted to swap GladOs out for him, I knew something was going to go wrong. I love the little idiot orb, but I had my doubts about plugging him directly into the control computer of the facility. I think my first thought was that he might just get fried immediately, though.
What about Patches? The initial betrayal is bad enough but then every time you meet him again and let him back into your heart, he betrays you again and again.
I'm pretty sure he isn't kicking you in Armored Core. And in Elden Ring his kick wasn't helpful at all! I was already halfway to Vulcano Manor when he kicked me into that Basilisk nest. But I'm sure next time he won't do that, right? He's trusty Patches after all!
Ahh, A Way Out. Genuinely shocked me when my best mate utterly betrayed me at the end. The expletives I uttered towards him were strong, I assure you! We're still mates, though I have reconsidered his position in what he gets in my will...
Recently started playing My Time At Sandrock. And there is a really nice old lady on there named Matilda. Seeing her betray you for the enemies was such a huge wrench in the gut for me, so I feel like it might be a good addition for Commentator's Edition.
Since she was gone at the beginning of the game then suddenly returns, I really thought Mayor Trudy would be the betrayer. Surprise surprise it was Matilda. At least in the end her ass was left to rot in space.
I'd also say Hilda's betrayal in Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds is one of the most unexpected. For the parallel version of beloved icon Zelda to ultimately betray her greatest ally, especially after rescuing the very same from the clutches of the true villain, who could have truly anticipated it?
Lucy Stillman from the Assassin’s Creed games. Even if she was killed before she actually got to go through with her betrayal, she seemed really cool before we learned that she was a Templar all along.
That's because her betrayal allegedly wasn't planned. It was supposedly added at the end of Brotherhood because Kristen Bell (both the voice & likeness) was getting too popular/expensive, so they killed her off rather than contriving some reason to have her disappear, or so goes the public perception. Her lack of game voice work afterwards (minus Anna from "Frozen" in Disney Infinity) would lend credence to that. Personally, I think a love interest could've kept Desmond from sacrificing himself (choose to stay alive with the woman he loves or save humanity?), so they should've left it that Juno made him do it so that he'd never question his later sacrifice (& then raise the argument about whether he ever truly had free will). And then she could turn out to be the series' ultimate evil/betrayal. Same scenes, but a better story IMO.
@@Gamer3427Yeah could have easily killed her off in a way that made sense like having the templars kill her. Not like the assassins have a high survival rate.
I'm surprised to see this because I felt like his betrayal was so billboarded it almost felt overdone. What I didn't expect was that he was a sith--that got me.
Bruh what? That dude was the most obvious spy ever, 90% of the time a random side character like him gets that many lines it's so they can kill them for a cheap emotional moment or have them betray you for a cheap emotional moment
Immediately thought of Anders from Dragon Age 2, spent the whole game trying to keep Templars and Mages from killing each other and he goes and blows up the bloody Chantry!!
There are so many betrayals in the Dragon Age series. Origins: Howe (if you are a Cousland), Alistair (if you allow Loghain to join the Wardens) DA2: Anders, Sebastian (if you don't martyr Anders) Inquisition: Blackwall, The Iron Bull (he literally called Inky "Bas" the entirety of the main game. He is in the position of Judas in "The Last Supper" artwork), Solas (is it betrayal if you were both working toward the same goals and then separated once the goals were finished?) I have not played Veilguard and don't want spoilers, please. But I would not be surprised if there is at least one betrayal in game.
I’d love to one day see the inverse to this video about betrayals that we all knew were coming from a mile away which the game still expected us to see as extremely shocking.
I feel like that's where Wheatley really belongs. I loved him... and wanted to be wrong... but you didn't need to get far in there before you started to suspect it would end badly.
For that I'd nominate January from Prey. I was convinced he'd "betray" me somehow, whether by turning out to have faked the messages of Morgan planning his own death or by trying to stop me when the game eventually got to the point where the PC would start fighting back. But nope, he was actually trying to help all the way.
The biggest betrayal I've ever seen is in a little indie game called Ian's Eyes. Because honestly, who would EVER expect to be betrayed by their literal SEEING-EYE dog in a game with the tag-line "Stay loyal. Stay alive"?! And who would expect said seeing-eye dog to betray a child?
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley It's not an AMAZING game, but it's a zombie game where you play as a little blind boy named Ian and his guide dog, North, on their first day at a new elementary school. But things go wrong and the staff and students basically become zombies, so Ian has to navigate a school he doesn't know with only North to help him to escape.
@@FullMoonDeria Sure, so long as it's decently made, I'm okay with a simplistic plot. The topic of zombies would normally turn me off, only because it usually means having to shoot stuff (and years of Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts games has conditioned me to prefer swords and blades over guns, lol). But I doubt the main character in this game is using a gun if they're blind 😅.
@FullMoonDeria so, I'm guessing that the dog was turned into a zombie with all the others, and the kid just didn't notice the whole game because, blind?
I was shocked by the betrayal at the end of Little Nightmares 2. I thought one of those games was finally going to have some sort of happy ending and then Six pulled the rug from under my feet.
My vote is for Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic (KotoR) 2. You go off to rescue and rally the Jedi Masters to face the Sith menace. However once you get them all they all betray and turn on you. You are then saved by your companion Kreia, only for her to immediately betray you as she is actually a Sith Lord and she was using you this whole time for her revenge. Two different betrayals back to back!
Huh? How is it shocking? Kreia is the Lord of Betrayal. She even tells Atris that there must always be a Darth Kreia, one who is betrayed and in turn betrays. It's in her NAME LOL
@@andrewvance6549 But what's funny is... Kreia doesn't betray you. Ever. She betrays everyone else, but not you, because you are more precious to her than anything in the universe. You are the key to killing the Force, something she desires with a passion. She even tells you she loves you in with her dying words.
Ohh I'm still fuming over "Would you kindly"... I usually have at least a suspicion sometime before it happens, but MAN did that one catch me off guard. I already suspected Havloc and Pendleton just because of how absolutely vile everyone ELSE already was. It wasn't hard to figure out they'd betray Corvo at some point as well. Atlas? Pure genius.
I don't play many games these days, but I did play A Way Out, so it's nice to hear that one discussed! The way we bonded, taking a break from escaping a hospital to play Connect Four and "who can balance in a wheelchair wheelie the longest"!
Played this with my little brother and we both wound up in tears. Played it years later with my young cousin, and I worried it wouldn't have the same impact on him. Unfounded doubts! He bawled his eyes out. I had to give him a hug and assure him it was just a game, the poor lad was inconsolable lol. Brilliant game. Knows exactly how to twist the knife.
Surprised none of the Dragon Age betrayals made it into here but the one that got me was in Trespasser. Not Solas - the consequences of letting the Iron Bull remain loyal to the Qun.
If you encourage Bull to remain loyal to the Qun, his betrayal really shouldn’t be a surprise, when a bunch of Qunari show up and start an invasion. You’re the one who told him to let the Chargers die, doing as the Qunari want, so you could get an “alliance” with the Qunari.
@@crazyandorian For me the shock was genuine because I hadn't done Iron Bull's quest at all. (I think I never managed to get his approval high enough.) You think you're decent buds and then bam! he tries to kill you.
Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time. Alister Azimuth. Not only do you go through most of the game with your Dad's BFF, trusting him and fighting along side him, his betrayal comes out of nowhere at the end, he is the final boss battle. Also spoiler; He does something no other villain has been able to do in Ratchet and Clank. He kills Ratchet.
And he isn't really a bad guy either... he just tries to reverse a mistake in history that cost countless lives including that of his best friend. Something we actually do throughout the game in a place where we had no involvement prior. Unfortunately, Alister isn't versed in temporal mechanics (cause and effect, stable vs unstable time loops ect.) and fucks it up... only realizing his mistake after we beat him... and then he is willing to fix that mistake at the cost of his own life.
Kendra Daniels from the first Dead Space is one of the main protagonist Issac Clarke's allies. She helps him throughout the game like assisting Issac in creating a poison to kill the Leviathan, a enormous necromorph. Then in chapter 11 of the game, Kendra kills Doctor Kyne and then reveals she's a Earth-Gov operative sent to retrieve the Marker and leaves Issac to die on the Ishimura. She later gets killed on Aegis 7 by the final boss of the game, the Hive Mind.
@@JameyMcQueen You broke her Music box thing, and you saw how she reacted to that. If you didn't see a betrayal coming at that point, I'd ask if you played Little Nightmares I.
They didn't mention the worst part of Bioshock's betrayal: hearing Atlas's charming Irish brogue turn into a much more sinister-sounding Southern accent as he's revealing himself to you. I felt more betrayed by the fact that even his voice was a lie than anything else.
Haha yeah he's got a janky new yorker accent, which could be friendly and jolly like the impractical joker guys from Staten or mobsters, goes either way Southern definitely almost always means inbred/unhinged religious whacko/confederate scumbag/plantation owner/hillbilly haha, there's a million accurate negative tropes, only real exception is the JPL rocket scientists/NASA guys
Borderlands 2. Angel. Friends and I were shattered she turned on you and everyone else in Sanctuary early in the game. Her forced betrayal made one of the final fights later even more heartbreaking.
bruh I'd justturned 12 a couple months before GTA:SA came out, and I remember laughing until I farted & almost threw up when big smoke ordered (easily entertained, right up there with making CJ incredibly fat & listening to all the random NPC chatter) I remember both bc (1) it's still hilarious & (2) other sus shit kept happening (e.g. smoke & the ballas *never* try to cap each other; he also literally LIVES in enemy territory; & how the dirty cups were always hanging around & smoke's alibi was basically "yeah idk man, damn that's crazy") and my undisciplined bullshit senses started tingling mostly I remember not wanting smoke to be a bad guy bc I thought he was so funny, and even after that mission where you spy on everyone caught up getting in the green car from the drive-by, my little tween brain was like "oh maybe this kicks off a redemption arc! (e.g. turns out tenpenny's blackmailing smoke & you gotta destroy the evidence to help reunite grove st. 😤) but then it turned out smoke flipped over nothing but a shot at bigger rep & money, and iirc I got a little teary-eyed bc I was mad at how petty he turned out to be lmao
I stopped trusting "Atlas" when the escape sub blew up. That was too much to swallow; it was too over-the-top, _theatrically_ tragic. As in: a theatre show, put on for me to view. I didn't figure out who he actually was, until the reveal, but I never trusted his motives again. And I was _so sick_ of his constant verbal tic of prefacing everything with "would you kindly"! So annoying! It got to the point where I would do absolutely _anything_ and everything else, other than what he told me to, until there simply was nothing else left, and I _had to_ do what he said, or the game simply wouldn't progress. It was almost as if I had no choice but to obey…
Imma be honest here i fully bought the submarine thing and somehow my brain blocked out any memories of him ever saying would you kindly. Even while playing i never noticed it and looking back i also can’t remember any of his dialogue involving that phrase. I do have a speech impediment that involves repetition of syllables and also whole phrases and even have that problem when writing due to my dyslexia so my brain probably just automatically filters out that kind of repetition even when it comes from other people.
Watching or playing the betrayal in A Way Out is still one of my favorite gaming memories, ever. It's so simple, but the emotional impact complex. It's a testament to how effective well-crafted storytelling can still be with just basic beats and dramatic devices. The fact it turns into a literal death match at the end between the two characters/players is also why it's one of the most impactful endings in gaming in recent memory.
This might seem like a stretch, but Mr. Grizz from Splatoon. He first appears in Splatoon 2 as the faceless host of Salmon Run, a co-op mode where you collect golden Salmonid eggs. In the story mode of Splatoon 3, you discover that Grizz is 1, a bear (in a world populated by sea creatures) and 2, using the golden eggs collected in Salmon Run in both Splatoon 2 AND 3 as an ingredient in Fuzzy Ooze, a substance that can turn any creature into a mammal, and he’s going to air-drop (or perhaps space-drop) it on the earth to turn everybody into mammals. It’s not so much him screwing you over this whole time as it is him tricking you into screwing yourself over.
Does anyone know any games where there is an obvious betrayal coming from a sus character, but then it turns out the betrayer was a different character the entire time, and the sus one wasn't bad at all?
I mean, that'd be a pretty sizeable list. A lot of games try to setup an "obvious traitor" plot with characters, just so it's a twist when they reveal the real traitor was "someone you'd never expect". Which, ironically, has made it where the super suspicious characters often come off as a lot more trustworthy to the players who've seen it time after time.
Space Marine 1 - The Inquisitor who was mucking about with the warp mcguffin was set up to be working for chaos the whole time ("mucking about with warp artifacts won't corrupt *me*"), but it turns out a daemon agent for the big bad hunted him down and defeated/possessed him. You were exploited to safely deliver the mcguffin to the big bad in the middle of the ork invasion, but the distress signal the Inquisitor recorded that sent all this in motion was completely genuine and he was loyal to the end.
@@Gamer3427 when I met Astarion in baldurs gate 3 i was so used to the “flamboyant European dressed for the wrong time period” trope that i genuinely didn’t realize he was a vampire 😂. I wish I was kidding literally everything about him screams vampire from the second you first meet him but turns out im not even the only who this happened to. He is the definition of “hiding in plain sight”. He could not be more obvious if he was wearing a sign that has vampire written on it in big red letters. Honestly was there even ever a “flamboyant European dressed for the wrong time period” who wasn’t a vampire? Because i cant think of any. I have no idea what i was thinking to be honest xD
And then the person you thought was helping you, actually betrays you. But it's not a big deal, because that other guy, who shot you in the eyeball was actually a double agent working for someone else and he dampened the problems the betrayal caused.
Sure Algus betrays you, then pretty much everyone else does too, including most of your own family. Then your friends who betray you go on to betray their new friends.
FFT is the game of thrones of Final Fantasy I can't think of a single character besides maybe Agrais(princess's bodyguard) who doesn't commit some form of betrayal either against you or against someone else, sometimes even for your benefit.
@@NerdKing2nd I was going to mention Agrais in my post, but also Alma seems to have her hands clean too, and maybe Mustadio, even though he's not entirely honest about what the zodiac stones can do. And nice Game of thrones connection, for me Agrais is basically Brienne with magic sword skills.
I was suspicious of him early on. Too sleek, trying too hard to be "in". And since I'm that nerd who loiters in areas and scrutinizes every single corner, the details added up, but since we also had other people to focus on, it didn't hit me until one scene. Evening/ early night, principal is drunk, staggers up to Jefferson leaving in his car. I genuinely don't know why to this day, but a shiver went down my spine and I'm like. Oh. OH. It's him. And what do you know, I was right. I hadn't guessed the extent of his proclivities, but I knew he wasn't trustworthy from here on out.
You as Shephard in Mass Effect 3... if you decide to sabotage the genophage cure. You can shoot Mordin in the back and if Wrex is alive he'll confront you resulting in his death as well. That confrontation scene is brutal.
HOW is Baten Kaitos not on here? That was the BIGGEST betrayal when it turns out the character your spirit entity character has been with, is the one who betrayed us! I literally had to stop playing for several days because I felt that betrayal in my soul... And THEN he just straight up ABANDONS us... Kalas! What the heck man!
Kinda sad that Yakuza wasn't mentioned. Nishiki's betrayal of Kiryu in the first game is seriously heartbreaking (even more so after Yakuza 0 was released, giving years of backstory that shows they essentially brothers before Kiryu went to prison) and outside of some VERY minor hints that you have to seriously go hunting for to even find, you really won't see it coming at all.
I'm still to get over Yoshimo from Baldur's Gate II. D&D 2nd edition had a crazy multiclass mechanic that only let you get a second class if you had a key ability at 17 or more, and then you started at level 1 with the new class, losing your old one, until you get to the same level you were before, at which point you got back your missing levels (hats off to the one who designed this, by the way, you are prime example of chaotic evil). Anyway, with Str 17 I though Yoshimo would be more useful as a warrior. An after hours of dragging the now useless guy with me through the whole first act (it's a long term plan, I said to myself), when I am a few XP away from he being useful again, the guy betrays me and end up dying (no, he can't be saved).
Oh yes freaking BIOSHOCK! It's cemented itself as one of the greatest moments in any game I've ever played!! Genuinely did not have a chance to catch it, then replaying it a couple years later and noticing it was also just mind boggling. Fantastic writing.
@@Ruin_Mode Fortunately, that is one of those rare occasions, where if you deny it hard enough, you can actually undo it. You've gotta love the Tales series for their commitment to multiple endings... of course, then it's Zelos who's a traitor, but he's a smarmy berk anyway, so no tears were shed in my game.
@@dzarsos haha true! When I found out about the Kratos route- I've never ditched hours of progress and reloaded an old save faster 😄 Sorry, but not sorry enough, Zelos 😬
Nice video, keep up the good work! Hm, this is an interesting one. Master Li from Jade Empire comes to mind, if only for how shocking the betrayal is. Then of course Crow Armbrust from the Legend of Cold Steel game (the first). I never thought I would care so much about a miserable 10 mira coin.
All your buddies from Farcry 2. They bail you out every time when you're downed, and they're a friendly face in a hostile place. But come the end, they gang up on you to take you and steal all your diamonds. The rotters!
I'd put Keith David in Saints Row 4 here, but at least you can get him back on side with the help of Roddy Piper. Sounds strange when I type it out here xD
Nash from Lunar Silver Star Story Complete (PS1). His betrayal caught off guard, but we were able to forgive him. It also busted me up because when he did, it used his signature audio file "Hey, Check this out!" which threw all the tension out the window.
I like that Mia slaps him and her fire attacks are his weakness when he's wearing that suit that amplifies his lightening powers. You can also have Alex either be nice to him or be a bit more stern warning him not to pull that shit ever again.
The portal betrayal, i wasnt like oh i knew it from the get go but i was like okay, now he is in this machine thing and act up aswell makes sense its fine... but one question? WHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYY :/
General Shepherd didn't start WW3 to avenge his troops. His failure was so big in his eyes and honestly the rest of the Brass and the free world that he *needed* to be seen as a hero. So his plan as to use Task Force 141 to kick it off, then swoop in and be the hero who stopped it.
Atlas really got me back when i 1st played bioshock. Kendra in Dead Space is another good one, you never suspect her because the game keeps pointing you towards hammond as the one that'll betray you
So, a few years back I was looking for a new game to play and my then roommate had suggested Bioshock. Heard about it, but never actually touched it so I thought, why not? should be fun. He had played it and wanted to watch me (we did this with many games, Myst and Riven were especially fun) and little did I know I was in for a wild ride. The game itself was fun, loved it, total classic, but the real kicker is that every time we had free time he would say "Would you kindly play more Bioshock?" Knowing him as a bit of a dork, and thinking it was just a reference to the charismatic Atlas's line, I always went with it. Boy, when that reveal came along, I was floored, but not as much as when he mentioned he'd said it every time before I played. My mind raced and it was a double mind fuck that I'm still reeling from today. Love you Chris, thanks for the memories!
FFXIV - Emet-Selch's betrayal in Shadowbringers. Here I thought we were getting through to the old man, but then he whips out a gun and shoots the Exarch, then taunts us as we start succumbing to light corruption. Then Endwalker came along and cast that betrayal in a whole new light... I am not okay.
If there's a possible dishonorable to these lists, I want to put Bode Akuna from Star Wars: Jedi Survivor on it. No joke, the MOMENT he mentioned having a daughter in the prologue, I knew his story had 1 of 2 outcomes. 1) He dies tragically with his last words being, "Look after my daughter" or 2) he betrays us dramatically with his last words being, "This is for my daughter, you wouldn't understand". Go figure which path he took, gamesins UA-camr Dartigan and I agree, the trope of 'Dad' is as good as dead.
its worst with smoke, rider was dragged into the mess and forced to be there, when you kill him he begs for forgiveness and that you guys can talk it out, not once does he actually shoot at you but flees
I personally think the system Glados and Wheatley were apart of is courpt and thus, will courpt anything that hooks itself up to it. Which explains sudden change in personality when he enters it and when he’s off of it floating in space.
Luke was never a member of OutsideXbox, and I feel betrayed on Ellen's behalf that you forgot OutsideXtra even existed while commenting on their video 😢
Assassin's Creed. I had a crush on Lucy growing up. So the end of AC2, when she's killed, the game betrayed ME. Added with Revelations adding that it happened because she was actually a Templar traitor was salt in the wound....
"Prepare to be let down more frequently than a Hollow Knight Silksong fan..." Not currently a Hollow Knight fan, but I have a friend that is and I'm ready to break his spirit with this quote.
One betrayal I can think of is Nil/Rafal in Fire Emblem Engage. Why? Well… First we find out the ACTUAL Nil was long dead as the Fell Xenologue reveals a war between Alear and the four kingdoms waged against Sombron in an alternate version of Elyos and how both Alear and Sombron died, causing the four kingdoms to wage war against each other and how Rafal took advantage to kill the royal leaders and turn them into Corrupted as Alternate Elyos was filled to the brim with undead/Corrupted wandering that alternate version of Elyos. And if that wasn’t enough, Rafal took up the mantle of Nil so Nel, Nil’s sister wouldn’t bear with the loss of their brother. She however did know about it and solely pretended to not know after you fight Rafal in the 6th and 7th/final chapter of the Fell Xenologue. Knowing how Nel, Alear, the player and the Four Winds didn’t know the truth until the end of the DLC and how he wanted to follow on Sombron’s footsteps by killing everyone, his betrayal came out of the blue for me. However though, he does redeem himself and even joins you at the end of the Fell Xenologue campaign under his real identity of Rafal!
Asura's Wrath? The Seven Deities kill Asura, frame him for murder and then kidnap Asura's daughter to use esentially as a mantra battery, I would be pissed to.
Dixon or, better yet, Dickson in the first Xenoblade. Best friend of Dunban, mentor to Shulk, inventor of anti-mechon weaponry and the second in command of Zanza, the "god" of Bionis that every couple century reap the titan of all life to extend his own. And how do you find it? He kills Shulk right after a strenuous battle with who you thought was the big bad till that point.
Funny thing is he is actually none of those He is a coward, nobody likes him, he's desperate for cash which is why he takes the heist job to begin with
6:33 - It was while watching the second Wheatley trailer before the game's release that I suddenly thought to myself, "Wait a minute, why is *Valve Corporation* trying to get me so invested in this character???" Suffice to say, I knew before I went in. Also, you get a dead-arm for 6:38. 🤜
I can think of a couple from Middle Earth: Shadow of War. For one, nemesis orcs can betray you for various reasons, some of which feel pretty random. More specifically, Bruz the Chopper betrays Talion, but I’m not sure I can say I wasn’t expecting that one. An example I think makes for a better twist is Celebrimbor choosing to abandon Talion at the end of the game for Eltariel.
Bruz was all the game's fault. _I_ wanted to give him that fortress, but the game wouldn't let me. Oh, well... I just shamed him every time he showed his face. No biggie.
@ yeah, that really annoyed me. For the record, I do think the entire Bruz quest line is there mostly as a Nemesis System tutorial, but I wish they’d done a bit more to justify that narrative move. The only real explanation I can come up with is that Ratbag managed to veto any attempt Talion made to make Bruz Warchief but that feels a bit out of character considering I never got much of an impression Talion liked Ratbag (or any orc for that matter) very much. For a game that does a pretty good job of keeping your motive aligned with the player character the instances where they fall out of harmony stick out.
Fun Fact: Big Smoke's order was actually Smoke telling the Ballas what weapons CJ, Sweet and Ryder were packing. He problebly had his phone on or a walkie talkie.
the thing with dishonored is that if you snoop around and read all the notes and journals, you can tell there's something up. but in a first playthrough you might not actually collect them/ realise the meaning. in hindsight it all makes sense
The "huge success" comment... *chef's kiss* I was surprised that the betrayal in Dishonored didn't mention Samuel. Your lovable gentle boat taximan, knowing everything at stake still can't just let you go after all the chaos you made. After he drops you off, he starts to pull out a shotgun to kill you... and that's where the game ends. At least in my playthrough it did. I slowed time, and helplessly watched the gun lift until I turned off the game and restarted a non lethal playthrough never finishing the chaos route.
Luke leaving hit Ellen harder than we thought, huh
I call him Luke Wentaway.
@@PaleHorseShabuShabuoutstanding! Up there with Brendanaquitz on parks and rec
I think that should sort of be on the next list.
i never even knew he left.
@@BurntToast-m3s It was all amiable as far as I'm aware, just wanted to do something else
Big Smoke's betrayal is worse than him being aligned with your rival gang: he was one of the people behind the drive by that killed CJ's mom, sparking the beginning of the game and CJ returning home.
Aw, that's messed up.
And when you arrive at the home, he isn't trying to murder you because he thinks you're a burglar. No, he was going to murder CJ's brother Sweet Johnson. That's why he had the bat ready and was hiding in the house.
WHAT!?!?!
not so fun fact: big smoke was hiding in the johnson house with a metal bat, killed cjs moms from behind, and then called in the green sabre to do a driveby
Silksong fans would be hurting from that burn if they weren't already numbed to all pain
They walked the path of pain and realize it doesn't hurt them any more
@@azuredragoon2054 I played The Path today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real
That was a betrayal I didn't expect
How can you be a fan of something that dont exist?
@@HostileTakeover2 *the only thing I know for real from MGR intensifies*
It's implied in Portal 2 that something about the way the supercomputer in Aperture labs is set up just corrupts any personality plugged into it. Wheatley has no ambitions before being plugged in to do anything other than escape and suddenly wants to start running tests when he gets plugged in. GLaDOS starts going through a personality shift once she's disconnected from the main computer and starts to re-discover the baseline personality that was used to create her, only resolving to delete it once she re-connects to the interface at the end of the game. So, it could just be that it's impossible for any kind of sentient personality to plug into the supercomputer without going mad, which makes it all the more tragic that poor Wheatley was shunted off into space to spend eternity drifting next to the space core.
Heavily implied, from what I remember, but they even give an indirect explanation of why. Wheatley didn't just lose it because he got plugged in. He lost it because he formed (or maybe inherited) a dependence on testing. When a test is successfully conducted, they receive something equivalent to a dopamine rush. Just like humans with addictions, this leads to a hijacking where they start obsessively seeking that reward response.
Yeah, in spite of the betrayal, I still loved Wheatley and wanted a happy ending for him haha This video just reminded me of how much I want Portal 3 and that it will probably never happen 😢
@@ledumpsterfire6474 Yep, he slowly switches to saying, well...maybe one test. And (iirc) talks about an unpleasant sensation until doing testing. And then when he has Chel redo the same test, it doesn't hit the same, it has to be different. And dangerous....
A much more literal than usual meaning of 'power corrupts'.
:)
#1 betrayal : In Super Mario World, when you ditch Yoshi and let him fall in a hole just to get a double jump
"You managed to reach the secret exit. Do you feel proud?"
I always did my best to keep Yoshi alive. What really sucked was when we were about to finish the level together and he got hit by a shell and decided to run off a cliff
I’m guilty of that too!😂😂😂
force when you have to leave him outside teh haunted houses and die, you don't get him back so pretty much mario left him in a place he even says scares him stiff
A thousand curses upon you, Cheese Bridge Area!
The Dishonored betrayal was stupid from the Loyalists' perspective. They somehow thought betraying the guy who single-handedly took care of all of their enemies, with all kinds of otherworldly abilities on top his sheer martial skill, was a good idea. The guy whose only real competition was Daud.
Been a while since I played Dishonored, but if I'm not mistaken, they didn't know Corvo had otherworldy abilities, so there is that at least. They just thought he was a skilled assassin whom they could dispose of easily if he didn't see it coming. Still stupid, but it is honestly fairly reasonable from their perspective, where not doing it when they had a chance would likely mean they'd never get another one.
To be fair, as I recall the only reason Corvo survives is someone, I think Samuel the boatman, diluted the poison in his drink.
@@nicholascross3557 Yeah, they would actually have succeeded with the plan, if they didn't ironically had a traitor in their ranks.
Also, never fuck with than man’s daughter. They at least suspected he was Emily’s dad, and that alone would have been a red flag
It still amuses me how successful their plan was in that regard (obviously not overall. Spoilers for the end of the game but either high or low chaos, their coalition falls apart.) Like, if they had just lied to Samuel about the dosage or applied it correctly themselves, they would have beaten probably the single most dangerous individual short of The Outsider himself (Daud and Delilah could be argued as contenders for that spot but you guys have presumably played the games so you know how that turns out). It's like the equivalent of Pippin spilling a beer in Isengard which causes Saruman to trip and fall to his death in terms of incredible outcome for minimal effort.
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal
I swear that it was the dog - not me!
I mean you did trust a T-Rex. "This Land" will never be the same.
Too soon. 😢
@@bast713 I thought we were calling it "Your Grave"?
Okay i need to pause this video for a moment to comment on how great that dishonoured clip is where the guy drinks some beer, lowers the glass and the liquid level has gone down! It infurates me in games when they have the ability to do that, and choose not to so a drink is always either an empty glass or magically always full.
i guess it's just one of those little details, like feet actually landing on stairs in games. It's realistic, but a lot of work.
or completely empties. Like can no one have a sip?
You would like drinking whiskey in Cyberpunk where it gradually depletes after each sip
The channel Rerez did a recent video about what the guy called "ice bucket", referring to an ice bucket in an early Metal Gear game where if an ice bucket was shot, cubes went flying (instead of being empty). The cubes left on the table would actually melt. And bullets shot into the bucket remained instead of magically fading away. These tiny details technically add nothing to the game but the effort is appreciated. The drink in the glass actually lowering in the Dishonored clip is what would also be considered "ice bucket", lol. Just those tiny things that aren't necessary but still make the world feel more lived-in.
As someone with this exact same pet peeve: you should play the Yakuza/Like a Dragon games. For whatever reason, they're particularly good about the details of liquids consumed in glasses during cutscenes. Also food. Yakuza: Like a Dragon (the 7th game) famously has the best bite of bread ever seen rendered with 3D models.
You should do "betrayals you saw coming from the start but never happened" (or something more elegantly formulated).
7 least shocking betrayals everyone saw coming
"7 People we thought would be Traitors who Stayed Loyal to the End" maybe?
Like the mysterious anonymous phone calls in RE:7 clearly manipulating you to do their bidding...which helps you escape even when it's at their own expense
@@chriswest6988 Or Elfilin which everyone thought was going to pull a Marx/Magalor...
@@travisraveller That implies the betrayal still happened
I didn't see Wheatley's betrayal coming, exactly. But once the computer voice asked if we wanted to swap GladOs out for him, I knew something was going to go wrong. I love the little idiot orb, but I had my doubts about plugging him directly into the control computer of the facility. I think my first thought was that he might just get fried immediately, though.
What about Patches? The initial betrayal is bad enough but then every time you meet him again and let him back into your heart, he betrays you again and again.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 14 times, I really should have seen this coming.
More like. Alright where is the hole, I'll see you when you become a merchant.
By the time we get to Elden Ring it wasn't that unexpected
He aint actually betraying you most of the time, kicking you on the right path.
I'm pretty sure he isn't kicking you in Armored Core.
And in Elden Ring his kick wasn't helpful at all! I was already halfway to Vulcano Manor when he kicked me into that Basilisk nest.
But I'm sure next time he won't do that, right? He's trusty Patches after all!
Ahh, A Way Out. Genuinely shocked me when my best mate utterly betrayed me at the end. The expletives I uttered towards him were strong, I assure you! We're still mates, though I have reconsidered his position in what he gets in my will...
Recently started playing My Time At Sandrock. And there is a really nice old lady on there named Matilda. Seeing her betray you for the enemies was such a huge wrench in the gut for me, so I feel like it might be a good addition for Commentator's Edition.
Matilda definitely stung as the kind yet decisive character over the meeker mayor when she returns.
I was hoping someone here would comment on Sandrock. I definitely didn’t see that betrayal coming.
Since she was gone at the beginning of the game then suddenly returns, I really thought Mayor Trudy would be the betrayer. Surprise surprise it was Matilda. At least in the end her ass was left to rot in space.
I'd also say Hilda's betrayal in Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds is one of the most unexpected. For the parallel version of beloved icon Zelda to ultimately betray her greatest ally, especially after rescuing the very same from the clutches of the true villain, who could have truly anticipated it?
Woah, woah, woah.
They had to pair someone with Zelda and they called the other one Hilda? Like the aunts in Sabrina?
Love it.
@@reno_2200if there was a Harvey or Salem somewhere in the game I would be in heaven
@@reno_2200 I didn't even notice the Sabrina reference. Thanks.
I'm so glad someone else thought of A Link Between Worlds
At least with Hilda in A Link Between Worlds, she is sympathetic and she does see the error of her ways.
Lucy Stillman from the Assassin’s Creed games. Even if she was killed before she actually got to go through with her betrayal, she seemed really cool before we learned that she was a Templar all along.
That's because her betrayal allegedly wasn't planned. It was supposedly added at the end of Brotherhood because Kristen Bell (both the voice & likeness) was getting too popular/expensive, so they killed her off rather than contriving some reason to have her disappear, or so goes the public perception. Her lack of game voice work afterwards (minus Anna from "Frozen" in Disney Infinity) would lend credence to that.
Personally, I think a love interest could've kept Desmond from sacrificing himself (choose to stay alive with the woman he loves or save humanity?), so they should've left it that Juno made him do it so that he'd never question his later sacrifice (& then raise the argument about whether he ever truly had free will). And then she could turn out to be the series' ultimate evil/betrayal.
Same scenes, but a better story IMO.
That one was just bad writing and didn't make any sense in context. It was just an excuse to kill her off.
@@Gamer3427Yeah could have easily killed her off in a way that made sense like having the templars kill her. Not like the assassins have a high survival rate.
Jedi survivor should be on this as well. I'm still in shock from bodes betrayal. It still hurts. Why bode? WHY!?!
Agreed he did it all for his daughter but it just didnt work out
Yo fr fr that full blindsided me
Maybe I have trust issues, but I kind of expected Bode to be a bad guy...
I'm surprised to see this because I felt like his betrayal was so billboarded it almost felt overdone. What I didn't expect was that he was a sith--that got me.
Bruh what? That dude was the most obvious spy ever, 90% of the time a random side character like him gets that many lines it's so they can kill them for a cheap emotional moment or have them betray you for a cheap emotional moment
Immediately thought of Anders from Dragon Age 2, spent the whole game trying to keep Templars and Mages from killing each other and he goes and blows up the bloody Chantry!!
Yeah, that was a terrible betrayal. I can't believe he didn't tell me so I could bring marshmallows to roast...
Not to mention you might have known hin from all the way back in the origins expansion. Thats a lot of history to unpack.
@@elementalcobalt1 I loved Anders in Awakening, he was my favorite companion from that dlc
There are so many betrayals in the Dragon Age series.
Origins: Howe (if you are a Cousland), Alistair (if you allow Loghain to join the Wardens)
DA2: Anders, Sebastian (if you don't martyr Anders)
Inquisition: Blackwall, The Iron Bull (he literally called Inky "Bas" the entirety of the main game. He is in the position of Judas in "The Last Supper" artwork), Solas (is it betrayal if you were both working toward the same goals and then separated once the goals were finished?)
I have not played Veilguard and don't want spoilers, please. But I would not be surprised if there is at least one betrayal in game.
@@LittleGreenCar514 i also havent played veilguard, but i know when i do, im gonna be side-eyeing the apostate mage hardcore😂😂
1 Most Bioshocking Betrayals that Nobody Saw Coming
As a fan of System Shock 2 i should have seen it comming... and yet.
I’d love to one day see the inverse to this video about betrayals that we all knew were coming from a mile away which the game still expected us to see as extremely shocking.
I feel like that's where Wheatley really belongs. I loved him... and wanted to be wrong... but you didn't need to get far in there before you started to suspect it would end badly.
"7 most obvious traitors that actually stayed loyal" counter video when?
For that I'd nominate January from Prey.
I was convinced he'd "betray" me somehow, whether by turning out to have faked the messages of Morgan planning his own death or by trying to stop me when the game eventually got to the point where the PC would start fighting back.
But nope, he was actually trying to help all the way.
999 has like a dozen of these
The biggest betrayal I've ever seen is in a little indie game called Ian's Eyes. Because honestly, who would EVER expect to be betrayed by their literal SEEING-EYE dog in a game with the tag-line "Stay loyal. Stay alive"?! And who would expect said seeing-eye dog to betray a child?
Okay, now I'm curious about this game 😂
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley It's not an AMAZING game, but it's a zombie game where you play as a little blind boy named Ian and his guide dog, North, on their first day at a new elementary school. But things go wrong and the staff and students basically become zombies, so Ian has to navigate a school he doesn't know with only North to help him to escape.
@@FullMoonDeria Sure, so long as it's decently made, I'm okay with a simplistic plot. The topic of zombies would normally turn me off, only because it usually means having to shoot stuff (and years of Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts games has conditioned me to prefer swords and blades over guns, lol). But I doubt the main character in this game is using a gun if they're blind 😅.
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley It's okay-made IMHO. I like it and it's an interesting concept. And definitely no guns. Only the power of BARK.
@FullMoonDeria so, I'm guessing that the dog was turned into a zombie with all the others, and the kid just didn't notice the whole game because, blind?
Oh Ellen. there is someone that would never betray your trust.
Eevee. Someone get this girl an Eevee!!
*gets her a g-max Eevee
*Cackled maniacally
I was shocked by the betrayal at the end of Little Nightmares 2. I thought one of those games was finally going to have some sort of happy ending and then Six pulled the rug from under my feet.
My vote is for Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic (KotoR) 2. You go off to rescue and rally the Jedi Masters to face the Sith menace. However once you get them all they all betray and turn on you. You are then saved by your companion Kreia, only for her to immediately betray you as she is actually a Sith Lord and she was using you this whole time for her revenge. Two different betrayals back to back!
Huh? How is it shocking?
Kreia is the Lord of Betrayal. She even tells Atris that there must always be a Darth Kreia, one who is betrayed and in turn betrays. It's in her NAME LOL
No, after saving those bastards masters as light character, that betrayal was unexpected.
Kreia is more "Betrayals you saw 30 hours before your character did, and the game would not let you push the obvious sith lord out an airlock"
@@andrewvance6549 But what's funny is... Kreia doesn't betray you. Ever. She betrays everyone else, but not you, because you are more precious to her than anything in the universe. You are the key to killing the Force, something she desires with a passion. She even tells you she loves you in with her dying words.
Ohh I'm still fuming over "Would you kindly"... I usually have at least a suspicion sometime before it happens, but MAN did that one catch me off guard. I already suspected Havloc and Pendleton just because of how absolutely vile everyone ELSE already was. It wasn't hard to figure out they'd betray Corvo at some point as well. Atlas? Pure genius.
I don't play many games these days, but I did play A Way Out, so it's nice to hear that one discussed! The way we bonded, taking a break from escaping a hospital to play Connect Four and "who can balance in a wheelchair wheelie the longest"!
Still remember Calli and Kiara's playthrough of the game and how sad it got at the end.
Played this with my little brother and we both wound up in tears. Played it years later with my young cousin, and I worried it wouldn't have the same impact on him. Unfounded doubts! He bawled his eyes out. I had to give him a hug and assure him it was just a game, the poor lad was inconsolable lol. Brilliant game. Knows exactly how to twist the knife.
Surprised none of the Dragon Age betrayals made it into here but the one that got me was in Trespasser. Not Solas - the consequences of letting the Iron Bull remain loyal to the Qun.
If you encourage Bull to remain loyal to the Qun, his betrayal really shouldn’t be a surprise, when a bunch of Qunari show up and start an invasion. You’re the one who told him to let the Chargers die, doing as the Qunari want, so you could get an “alliance” with the Qunari.
@@crazyandorian For me the shock was genuine because I hadn't done Iron Bull's quest at all. (I think I never managed to get his approval high enough.) You think you're decent buds and then bam! he tries to kill you.
Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time. Alister Azimuth. Not only do you go through most of the game with your Dad's BFF, trusting him and fighting along side him, his betrayal comes out of nowhere at the end, he is the final boss battle. Also spoiler; He does something no other villain has been able to do in Ratchet and Clank. He kills Ratchet.
I really wonder what Clank would’ve done if the Plumber’s random bit of advice didn’t ring through his mind
And he isn't really a bad guy either... he just tries to reverse a mistake in history that cost countless lives including that of his best friend.
Something we actually do throughout the game in a place where we had no involvement prior.
Unfortunately, Alister isn't versed in temporal mechanics (cause and effect, stable vs unstable time loops ect.) and fucks it up... only realizing his mistake after we beat him... and then he is willing to fix that mistake at the cost of his own life.
Omg yes, I forgot about that, that was CRAZY!
Jade Empire. It's set up so well (everyone mentioning your unique technique) and totally took me by surprise.
Was going to comment this if no one else had. Master Li was one the first big betrayals I experienced in gaming.
Kendra Daniels from the first Dead Space is one of the main protagonist Issac Clarke's allies. She helps him throughout the game like assisting Issac in creating a poison to kill the Leviathan, a enormous necromorph. Then in chapter 11 of the game, Kendra kills Doctor Kyne and then reveals she's a Earth-Gov operative sent to retrieve the Marker and leaves Issac to die on the Ishimura. She later gets killed on Aegis 7 by the final boss of the game, the Hive Mind.
Played through the remake when it came out on PS Plus and I liked it a lot, hope they do a Dead Space 2 Remake soon enough
No little nightmares 2?! That drop was vicious!!
I mean, I assume you saw it coming because: *her* , and also what you just did to her.
@@MunchKING
I mean, Mono didn't know the Thin Man was himself, so technically speaking, he did nothing wrong.
@@JameyMcQueen You broke her Music box thing, and you saw how she reacted to that. If you didn't see a betrayal coming at that point, I'd ask if you played Little Nightmares I.
They didn't mention the worst part of Bioshock's betrayal: hearing Atlas's charming Irish brogue turn into a much more sinister-sounding Southern accent as he's revealing himself to you. I felt more betrayed by the fact that even his voice was a lie than anything else.
It's not a southern accent. It's... supposed to be a Mafia Movie inspired New Yorker accent
Haha yeah he's got a janky new yorker accent, which could be friendly and jolly like the impractical joker guys from Staten or mobsters, goes either way
Southern definitely almost always means inbred/unhinged religious whacko/confederate scumbag/plantation owner/hillbilly haha, there's a million accurate negative tropes, only real exception is the JPL rocket scientists/NASA guys
Borderlands 2. Angel.
Friends and I were shattered she turned on you and everyone else in Sanctuary early in the game. Her forced betrayal made one of the final fights later even more heartbreaking.
I am quite literally wearing a Glados potatoes shirt as I watch this. Portal 2 was such a wondrous game and I wish I could relive that twist
I want that shirt in my life now.
Can't have a betrayal list without putting big smoke on it. The biggest heel turn in video game history
bruh I'd justturned 12 a couple months before GTA:SA came out, and I remember laughing until I farted & almost threw up when big smoke ordered (easily entertained, right up there with making CJ incredibly fat & listening to all the random NPC chatter)
I remember both bc (1) it's still hilarious & (2) other sus shit kept happening (e.g. smoke & the ballas *never* try to cap each other; he also literally LIVES in enemy territory; & how the dirty cups were always hanging around & smoke's alibi was basically "yeah idk man, damn that's crazy") and my undisciplined bullshit senses started tingling
mostly I remember not wanting smoke to be a bad guy bc I thought he was so funny, and even after that mission where you spy on everyone caught up getting in the green car from the drive-by, my little tween brain was like "oh maybe this kicks off a redemption arc! (e.g. turns out tenpenny's blackmailing smoke & you gotta destroy the evidence to help reunite grove st. 😤)
but then it turned out smoke flipped over nothing but a shot at bigger rep & money, and iirc I got a little teary-eyed bc I was mad at how petty he turned out to be lmao
I stopped trusting "Atlas" when the escape sub blew up. That was too much to swallow; it was too over-the-top, _theatrically_ tragic. As in: a theatre show, put on for me to view. I didn't figure out who he actually was, until the reveal, but I never trusted his motives again. And I was _so sick_ of his constant verbal tic of prefacing everything with "would you kindly"! So annoying! It got to the point where I would do absolutely _anything_ and everything else, other than what he told me to, until there simply was nothing else left, and I _had to_ do what he said, or the game simply wouldn't progress. It was almost as if I had no choice but to obey…
Imma be honest here i fully bought the submarine thing and somehow my brain blocked out any memories of him ever saying would you kindly. Even while playing i never noticed it and looking back i also can’t remember any of his dialogue involving that phrase. I do have a speech impediment that involves repetition of syllables and also whole phrases and even have that problem when writing due to my dyslexia so my brain probably just automatically filters out that kind of repetition even when it comes from other people.
The Silksong jab was definitely a betrayal I wasn't prepared for...
Watching or playing the betrayal in A Way Out is still one of my favorite gaming memories, ever. It's so simple, but the emotional impact complex. It's a testament to how effective well-crafted storytelling can still be with just basic beats and dramatic devices. The fact it turns into a literal death match at the end between the two characters/players is also why it's one of the most impactful endings in gaming in recent memory.
This might seem like a stretch, but Mr. Grizz from Splatoon. He first appears in Splatoon 2 as the faceless host of Salmon Run, a co-op mode where you collect golden Salmonid eggs. In the story mode of Splatoon 3, you discover that Grizz is 1, a bear (in a world populated by sea creatures) and 2, using the golden eggs collected in Salmon Run in both Splatoon 2 AND 3 as an ingredient in Fuzzy Ooze, a substance that can turn any creature into a mammal, and he’s going to air-drop (or perhaps space-drop) it on the earth to turn everybody into mammals. It’s not so much him screwing you over this whole time as it is him tricking you into screwing yourself over.
YESSSSSS!!!! Splatoon being mentioned made my day! 🎉
It's been 2 decades since that fateful night i found out big smoke betrayed me!
Still not over it yet
I thought we were boiis! 😭
Big smoke and Ryder cut deep, my first betrayal and i was still but a wee child playing PS2
Does anyone know any games where there is an obvious betrayal coming from a sus character, but then it turns out the betrayer was a different character the entire time, and the sus one wasn't bad at all?
that's a list i'd love to see.
I mean, that'd be a pretty sizeable list. A lot of games try to setup an "obvious traitor" plot with characters, just so it's a twist when they reveal the real traitor was "someone you'd never expect". Which, ironically, has made it where the super suspicious characters often come off as a lot more trustworthy to the players who've seen it time after time.
Oh, Dead Space 1
Space Marine 1 - The Inquisitor who was mucking about with the warp mcguffin was set up to be working for chaos the whole time ("mucking about with warp artifacts won't corrupt *me*"), but it turns out a daemon agent for the big bad hunted him down and defeated/possessed him. You were exploited to safely deliver the mcguffin to the big bad in the middle of the ork invasion, but the distress signal the Inquisitor recorded that sent all this in motion was completely genuine and he was loyal to the end.
@@Gamer3427 when I met Astarion in baldurs gate 3 i was so used to the “flamboyant European dressed for the wrong time period” trope that i genuinely didn’t realize he was a vampire 😂. I wish I was kidding literally everything about him screams vampire from the second you first meet him but turns out im not even the only who this happened to. He is the definition of “hiding in plain sight”. He could not be more obvious if he was wearing a sign that has vampire written on it in big red letters. Honestly was there even ever a “flamboyant European dressed for the wrong time period” who wasn’t a vampire? Because i cant think of any. I have no idea what i was thinking to be honest xD
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater’s entire plot is someone faking their betrayal
And then the person you thought was helping you, actually betrays you. But it's not a big deal, because that other guy, who shot you in the eyeball was actually a double agent working for someone else and he dampened the problems the betrayal caused.
Algus in Final Fantasy Tactics. The fucker not only betrays you, he does it with the gear you bought him...
Sure Algus betrays you, then pretty much everyone else does too, including most of your own family. Then your friends who betray you go on to betray their new friends.
@@ryanlaslow4796
Plus Algus is not exactly a friend.
FFT is the game of thrones of Final Fantasy I can't think of a single character besides maybe Agrais(princess's bodyguard) who doesn't commit some form of betrayal either against you or against someone else, sometimes even for your benefit.
@@NerdKing2nd I was going to mention Agrais in my post, but also Alma seems to have her hands clean too, and maybe Mustadio, even though he's not entirely honest about what the zodiac stones can do. And nice Game of thrones connection, for me Agrais is basically Brienne with magic sword skills.
Mark Jefferson from Life is Strange. No one ever suspects the art teacher.
I was suspicious of him early on. Too sleek, trying too hard to be "in". And since I'm that nerd who loiters in areas and scrutinizes every single corner, the details added up, but since we also had other people to focus on, it didn't hit me until one scene.
Evening/ early night, principal is drunk, staggers up to Jefferson leaving in his car. I genuinely don't know why to this day, but a shiver went down my spine and I'm like. Oh. OH. It's him. And what do you know, I was right. I hadn't guessed the extent of his proclivities, but I knew he wasn't trustworthy from here on out.
I disagree, a lot of people suspect him at the beginning but turn their attention to other characters during the later episodes
Hobbes, from the Wing Commander series. :( It was a betrayal after several games of complete brotherhood.
15:30 "lifelong aversion?" Nahhh, ska is sick.
You as Shephard in Mass Effect 3...
if you decide to sabotage the genophage cure. You can shoot Mordin in the back and if Wrex is alive he'll confront you resulting in his death as well. That confrontation scene is brutal.
HOW is Baten Kaitos not on here? That was the BIGGEST betrayal when it turns out the character your spirit entity character has been with, is the one who betrayed us!
I literally had to stop playing for several days because I felt that betrayal in my soul... And THEN he just straight up ABANDONS us... Kalas! What the heck man!
Kinda sad that Yakuza wasn't mentioned. Nishiki's betrayal of Kiryu in the first game is seriously heartbreaking (even more so after Yakuza 0 was released, giving years of backstory that shows they essentially brothers before Kiryu went to prison) and outside of some VERY minor hints that you have to seriously go hunting for to even find, you really won't see it coming at all.
I'm still to get over Yoshimo from Baldur's Gate II. D&D 2nd edition had a crazy multiclass mechanic that only let you get a second class if you had a key ability at 17 or more, and then you started at level 1 with the new class, losing your old one, until you get to the same level you were before, at which point you got back your missing levels (hats off to the one who designed this, by the way, you are prime example of chaotic evil). Anyway, with Str 17 I though Yoshimo would be more useful as a warrior. An after hours of dragging the now useless guy with me through the whole first act (it's a long term plan, I said to myself), when I am a few XP away from he being useful again, the guy betrays me and end up dying (no, he can't be saved).
The "reward" for bringing him along feels short from the time wasted making him stronger. I wanted the exp he gained, all of it!
And he asks you to redeem him by taking some object to one of the temples (it's been a while).
@@PaleHorseShabuShabu Yes that's the reward (his heart)! "I betrayed you but redeem me please, thanks"
To be fair, Yoshimo is under a geas. He doesn't really have a choice.
Me and my daughter played A Way Out together and I played as Vincent. Tears where shed and we both felt so betrayed 💔
Oh yes freaking BIOSHOCK! It's cemented itself as one of the greatest moments in any game I've ever played!! Genuinely did not have a chance to catch it, then replaying it a couple years later and noticing it was also just mind boggling. Fantastic writing.
Kratos in Tales of Symphonia. 💔
...also, pretty much every early-game father-figure type that joins your party in any Tales game.
Oh man Kratos's betrayal got me good. I'm pretty sure I was in denial for a while 😅
@@Ruin_Mode Fortunately, that is one of those rare occasions, where if you deny it hard enough, you can actually undo it. You've gotta love the Tales series for their commitment to multiple endings... of course, then it's Zelos who's a traitor, but he's a smarmy berk anyway, so no tears were shed in my game.
@@dzarsos haha true! When I found out about the Kratos route- I've never ditched hours of progress and reloaded an old save faster 😄 Sorry, but not sorry enough, Zelos 😬
Nice video, keep up the good work! Hm, this is an interesting one. Master Li from Jade Empire comes to mind, if only for how shocking the betrayal is. Then of course Crow Armbrust from the Legend of Cold Steel game (the first). I never thought I would care so much about a miserable 10 mira coin.
Barry burtons betrayal hurts more every time i replay it. How dare he do that to the Master of Unlocking
All your buddies from Farcry 2. They bail you out every time when you're downed, and they're a friendly face in a hostile place. But come the end, they gang up on you to take you and steal all your diamonds. The rotters!
I'd put Keith David in Saints Row 4 here, but at least you can get him back on side with the help of Roddy Piper. Sounds strange when I type it out here xD
I like to think Commander Shepherd is the great-great- grandson of general Shepherd and he tries to save us to make up for his ancestor's betrayal.
I’m shocked that Oxbox are still finding lists to do! Good job guys!
Nash from Lunar Silver Star Story Complete (PS1). His betrayal caught off guard, but we were able to forgive him. It also busted me up because when he did, it used his signature audio file "Hey, Check this out!" which threw all the tension out the window.
I like that Mia slaps him and her fire attacks are his weakness when he's wearing that suit that amplifies his lightening powers. You can also have Alex either be nice to him or be a bit more stern warning him not to pull that shit ever again.
In the GTA universe, I'd say Lance Vance's betrayal was one no one saw coming.
One last dance for Lance Vance!
The portal betrayal, i wasnt like oh i knew it from the get go but i was like okay, now he is in this machine thing and act up aswell makes sense its fine... but one question? WHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYY :/
General Shepherd didn't start WW3 to avenge his troops. His failure was so big in his eyes and honestly the rest of the Brass and the free world that he *needed* to be seen as a hero. So his plan as to use Task Force 141 to kick it off, then swoop in and be the hero who stopped it.
Atlas really got me back when i 1st played bioshock. Kendra in Dead Space is another good one, you never suspect her because the game keeps pointing you towards hammond as the one that'll betray you
3:34 With his hand movements, did anyone else think he was about tell you he was interested in seeing something of Lady Emily other than her crown?
So, a few years back I was looking for a new game to play and my then roommate had suggested Bioshock. Heard about it, but never actually touched it so I thought, why not? should be fun. He had played it and wanted to watch me (we did this with many games, Myst and Riven were especially fun) and little did I know I was in for a wild ride.
The game itself was fun, loved it, total classic, but the real kicker is that every time we had free time he would say "Would you kindly play more Bioshock?" Knowing him as a bit of a dork, and thinking it was just a reference to the charismatic Atlas's line, I always went with it.
Boy, when that reveal came along, I was floored, but not as much as when he mentioned he'd said it every time before I played. My mind raced and it was a double mind fuck that I'm still reeling from today. Love you Chris, thanks for the memories!
Big smokes order is so large because he was buying time for the Ballers to show up.. first time someone pointed this out to me it blew my mind.
FFXIV - Emet-Selch's betrayal in Shadowbringers. Here I thought we were getting through to the old man, but then he whips out a gun and shoots the Exarch, then taunts us as we start succumbing to light corruption. Then Endwalker came along and cast that betrayal in a whole new light... I am not okay.
If there's a possible dishonorable to these lists, I want to put Bode Akuna from Star Wars: Jedi Survivor on it. No joke, the MOMENT he mentioned having a daughter in the prologue, I knew his story had 1 of 2 outcomes. 1) He dies tragically with his last words being, "Look after my daughter" or 2) he betrays us dramatically with his last words being, "This is for my daughter, you wouldn't understand". Go figure which path he took, gamesins UA-camr Dartigan and I agree, the trope of 'Dad' is as good as dead.
Every 10 years we most remind the youth of the bioshock betrayal 😂.
Would you kindly have a nice day.
Darn you leaving me no choice but to have a nice day.
Ace Attorney Dual Destinies
Those who know, are still haunted to this day.
Wheatly's betrayal isn't that unpredictable though.
Give an idiot any semblance of power power and they will go mad with it.
As demonstrated by every politician to have ever existed.
But he seemed to be too idiot to be able to get away with it....
How dare you!
If I worked for UA-cam, I'd ban you so quick...
Reminding me that Silksong isn't out yet is a betrayal I didn't expect from you Ellen!
5:52 taking it from this angle because "brits shoot a seated man already dying from a bullet wound" might have given off the wrong imagery
its worst with smoke, rider was dragged into the mess and forced to be there, when you kill him he begs for forgiveness and that you guys can talk it out, not once does he actually shoot at you but flees
I personally think the system Glados and Wheatley were apart of is courpt and thus, will courpt anything that hooks itself up to it. Which explains sudden change in personality when he enters it and when he’s off of it floating in space.
Luke leaving OutsideXbox to go Solo was a huge betrayal for me.
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Luke was never a member of OutsideXbox, and I feel betrayed on Ellen's behalf that you forgot OutsideXtra even existed while commenting on their video 😢
@@TheYorkRose 😈 always the one you least expect.
Assassin's Creed.
I had a crush on Lucy growing up. So the end of AC2, when she's killed, the game betrayed ME.
Added with Revelations adding that it happened because she was actually a Templar traitor was salt in the wound....
"Prepare to be let down more frequently than a Hollow Knight Silksong fan..."
Not currently a Hollow Knight fan, but I have a friend that is and I'm ready to break his spirit with this quote.
Bioshock’s twist is the greatest twist in history.
One betrayal I can think of is Nil/Rafal in Fire Emblem Engage. Why? Well…
First we find out the ACTUAL Nil was long dead as the Fell Xenologue reveals a war between Alear and the four kingdoms waged against Sombron in an alternate version of Elyos and how both Alear and Sombron died, causing the four kingdoms to wage war against each other and how Rafal took advantage to kill the royal leaders and turn them into Corrupted as Alternate Elyos was filled to the brim with undead/Corrupted wandering that alternate version of Elyos.
And if that wasn’t enough, Rafal took up the mantle of Nil so Nel, Nil’s sister wouldn’t bear with the loss of their brother. She however did know about it and solely pretended to not know after you fight Rafal in the 6th and 7th/final chapter of the Fell Xenologue.
Knowing how Nel, Alear, the player and the Four Winds didn’t know the truth until the end of the DLC and how he wanted to follow on Sombron’s footsteps by killing everyone, his betrayal came out of the blue for me.
However though, he does redeem himself and even joins you at the end of the Fell Xenologue campaign under his real identity of Rafal!
Asura's Wrath? The Seven Deities kill Asura, frame him for murder and then kidnap Asura's daughter to use esentially as a mantra battery, I would be pissed to.
Dixon or, better yet, Dickson in the first Xenoblade.
Best friend of Dunban, mentor to Shulk, inventor of anti-mechon weaponry and the second in command of Zanza, the "god" of Bionis that every couple century reap the titan of all life to extend his own.
And how do you find it?
He kills Shulk right after a strenuous battle with who you thought was the big bad till that point.
That... wow... that Silksong one was uncalled for.
Dexter Deshawn betrayed us in cyberpunk, but you could've seen it coming that the badass popular rich guy would betray you.
Funny thing is he is actually none of those
He is a coward, nobody likes him, he's desperate for cash which is why he takes the heist job to begin with
Is it just me or do they look genuinely upset? This episode feels very personal.
If you consider a Commenter Edition:
Pavel from Metro: Last Light. Sure, it was rather early in the game, but I really thought we were Musketeers : (
6:33 - It was while watching the second Wheatley trailer before the game's release that I suddenly thought to myself, "Wait a minute, why is *Valve Corporation* trying to get me so invested in this character???" Suffice to say, I knew before I went in.
Also, you get a dead-arm for 6:38. 🤜
I can think of a couple from Middle Earth: Shadow of War. For one, nemesis orcs can betray you for various reasons, some of which feel pretty random.
More specifically, Bruz the Chopper betrays Talion, but I’m not sure I can say I wasn’t expecting that one.
An example I think makes for a better twist is Celebrimbor choosing to abandon Talion at the end of the game for Eltariel.
Bruz was all the game's fault. _I_ wanted to give him that fortress, but the game wouldn't let me.
Oh, well... I just shamed him every time he showed his face. No biggie.
@ yeah, that really annoyed me. For the record, I do think the entire Bruz quest line is there mostly as a Nemesis System tutorial, but I wish they’d done a bit more to justify that narrative move.
The only real explanation I can come up with is that Ratbag managed to veto any attempt Talion made to make Bruz Warchief but that feels a bit out of character considering I never got much of an impression Talion liked Ratbag (or any orc for that matter) very much.
For a game that does a pretty good job of keeping your motive aligned with the player character the instances where they fall out of harmony stick out.
Fun Fact: Big Smoke's order was actually Smoke telling the Ballas what weapons CJ, Sweet and Ryder were packing. He problebly had his phone on or a walkie talkie.
That's actually pretty cool, I never realized that.
I could see 9 and 45, but what's a 6 with extra dip
No, it's the whole car's orders.
God of War Ragnarok! The Tyr / Odin reveal was insane
Real hero in Dishonored being Samuel the boatman
In A Way Out, Leo never killed Vincent's brother. Harvey killed him, and Vincent knows this. Vincent never saw Leo as his enemy.
the thing with dishonored is that if you snoop around and read all the notes and journals, you can tell there's something up. but in a first playthrough you might not actually collect them/ realise the meaning.
in hindsight it all makes sense
3:30 The amount of beer in his glass goes down. That's some nice attention to detail.
Man, I loved Ellen's Bioshock letsplay. Too bad it's probably her last. 😥
one of these days i will stop getting tricked by these betrayals but today is not that day
“Ahhhn! Curse your sudden-but-inevitable betrayal!” 😱
The "huge success" comment... *chef's kiss*
I was surprised that the betrayal in Dishonored didn't mention Samuel. Your lovable gentle boat taximan, knowing everything at stake still can't just let you go after all the chaos you made. After he drops you off, he starts to pull out a shotgun to kill you... and that's where the game ends. At least in my playthrough it did. I slowed time, and helplessly watched the gun lift until I turned off the game and restarted a non lethal playthrough never finishing the chaos route.