People's misconceptions of EVs based on poor experience with bad manufacturers
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A few things most people don't know:
1) EVs, believe it ir not, existed 120 years ago. At that time, the competition was between gas-powered cars, EVs, and steam-powered cars. The company Stanley Steemer is actually the only company I'm aware of today that began it's company life selling steam-powered cars. And in point of fact, Jay Leno not only has a 1908 EV, but also 3 Stanley Steemer cars. Of course, as we all know, cars themselves were invented at a time when horses and wagons were still the default mode of going from place to place, and cars from 1884 to 1910 were considered a "novelty."
2) Louis is 100% right about the "What if...gas engines were designed today?" question. The way it would work is, a digital key would control a microswitch in the Engine Control Unit (ECU) or the Powertrain Control Module (PCM). That microswitch would basically block, if not turned on, the engine's Crankshaft Position Sensor (CKS) from telling the ECU/PCM to fire the ignition coils. On diesels, because they operate off of compression alone, the control signal would be used to keep the ECU/PCM from firing the fuel injectors, thus preventing a diesel engine from running.
3) John Deere actually lost a lawsuit against a farmer who refused to pay a John Deere tech more than $800 to travel 150 miles and back from a John Deere dealership to reset his $60K combine's ECU after it bricked, when he had to change out a $125 sensor that went bad, and the combine entered "Limp Mode." That farmer won a Right-To-Repair lawsuit by getting a court to force John Deere to allow independent dealers and shops access to what John Deere wanted as propietary software for diagnostics and repair functions. The independent dealership was only 20 minutes away from the farmer by car, but originally could not access the John Deere combine they sold the farmer. And in all honesty, I'm a believer in Right-To-Repair, not to mention I'm a DIYer myself.
Lastly, I will say to anyone who likes liberty, likes freedom, NOT TO BUY any new car after 2026. Why? Simple: In the Infrastructure Act passed by Congress last year, it is mandated that all new vehicles, no matter powertrain, have to have installed passive monitoring systems that monitor for drunk driving. If that system gets tripped, for whatever reason, law enforcement will be notified, and you'll get pulled over, even if all you did was avoid a pothole or other road hazard, and even if you are sober. Such a system will also track you and your location, I believe to set the groundwork for a mileage-based tax tied to your license. And why do I think this? Because states like Ohio, California, Washington State, Oregon, Illinois, New York, Delaware, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut are scrambling to replace the lost fuel taxes they anticipate are going to happen, when they claim EVs are going to phase out ICE cars and trucks.
Just begs the question.........I know the answer, however ppl need to learn for themselves. I am out of breath.
I'd be fine with a "you are drunk, pull over" notification and maybe the car being a little more hands-on with driver aids when it detects I'm drunk. It's not about my freedom to drive hammered but about everybody else's freedom to not die on the road because of some drunk idiot.
But this is ridiculous. Calling law enforcement?
At least we know one thing for a fact. Tesla's implementation will be so fucked up that law enforcement will disregard these notifications coming from tesla cars
so new cars will come with prepackadged spyware?
@@Thenolife3 They already do. But in the future, those spywares would have legally mandated power to sabotage you/override your individual decisions. The spywares would be used for more reasons than selling user data to brokers/advertizers and the market analysis of the manufacturers
This "Infrastructure Act" will not influence the rest of the world right? It's not like the rest of the world Americanizes and imports alot from the US or anything...
Imagine considering buying a bicycle that is dependent on a phone app.
I'd be wary of buying a specialized bicycle anyways. They have all kinds of wear parts. Do you really want to have to buy brake pads, chains, sprockets, and all kinds of other things online because your manufacturer didn't conform to standard? Just buy a bog-standard frame, get an ebike conversion kit, and you can get your bike maintained by any bike shop in the world.
Anything that relies on a phone app for basic functionality is extra stupid because in a few years the OS will drop support for the API level of the app and you will either have to rely on an old phone just for the app (if it's even still available in the app store), or throw the device in the trash.
Companies factor in the fact that they're gonna make more money by having a closed eco system into their profits. Would you pay more for something without an app? We both probably would since we are here. But what about most people out there that only focus on the price. As a society we have encouraged companies to do everything they can to have lower prices. And somewhere along the lines they figured out they can increase profitability while reducing prices by having locked down ecosystem and poor repairability
Nope. Pedal power only.
Imagine considering buying a *car* that is dependent on a phone app. The US auto manufacturer I retired from was introducing phone-based keys, I'm sure with an eye on eliminating physical keys eventually as a cost-saving move.
I think you're right Louis, if gas powered cars were invented today changing a spark plug would lock your car until you waited two months for them to come and hook up their computer to it.
I think newer cars already do that . John deree dost make electric tractors either.
Since the introduction of ECUs, more and more restrictions/DRMs have been imposed to ICE cars that reduce right to repair and increase dependency on first party maitenance/repair.
Cars don't even have throttle cables anymore! I miss those so much, could actually feel how the engine was doing. The engine is supposed to respond to your input, not take suggestions
@@jonathanryan2915 yeah I love throttle cables
A lot of cars require a scan tool just to reset maintenance lights and retract electric rear parking brake motors in order to change the brake pads. Even Honda does this shit and it's infuriating.
I think part of the problem is that since EVs are new, companies feel like they can lock everything down because it doesn’t come with the preexisting culture of repairability like ICE, regular bicycles, etc
@@weird-guy The question is how much software updates you need? Really. In super easy and inaccurate terms, electric motor is a device that starts spinning when you connect it to the right electric source. So, you have battery, wire, motor and some switch. What else is needed? Let's add some device that checks how much power it consumes and another one that checks heat on the motor and on the battery. So far no software updates are needed. Honestly, not much software is needed.
So far we have nothing to get hacked there, there is no external connection and basically no software. So, the question is, do you NEED any updates? I think that all those problems start when you connect to Internet, but do you NEED Internet connection? You don't need it for navigation, I remember those GPS devices for cars that had antenna and no Internet.
There is only one kind of electric vehicles where you need Internet and that is drone with control over Internet. That is crazy thing, you put in SIM card with cell data and you can control it from anywhere. OK, that one needs some updates to protect it from hacking, but for all personal transportation devices a key is good enough.
The problem is that companies are greedy and the consumers are dumb and lazy. Nothing much changed here, except the government now likes to tell you it's "ok" to be dumb and lazy.
@@simonspacek3670 I have a 20 year old fan here that doesn't need internet, doesn't need bluetooth, doesn't need apps, doesn't need any keys. EVs don't need that either. If the vehicle doesn't have a build-in monitor to tell me things like battery status or distance travelled I could accept a phone app to tell me those things, but that's about it. And even that app doesn't need network connection. It only needs to read stuff from the EV, nothing else.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Exactly what I said. Electric motor is pretty simple thing.
EVs have been around for about 100 years...
Everyone wants to charge a subscription fee.
you owe me a fee; per word for your previous comment; plus daily late fee; what is your attorney's number ? . . . . . . . . .
Cause it’s the perfect passive income
TSA fast pass(clear) is a subscription service.
You will own nothing and you will be happy
Subs are fine if I'm paying to have my ass kissed, but otherwise no good.
Imagine someone as a sponsor pitching it to you on an e-mail saying "Hello Mr Rossman. We'd like to sponsor one of your videos. We are a company that makes bikes. Normal bikes. That's it".
What a dumb era we're living in.
Most of the sponsor offers I get are garbage. I'd happily sponsor a company like ebikes.ca or em3ev but since they're actually good companies with proper support and quality products they do not need random UA-camrs shilling them and shouting them out 50000x a day to hypnotize people into buying junk; because they _don't sell junk!_ so it would be a waste of $$$ for them.
Unpaid word of mouth from happy customers who can demonstrate the superiority of your products is the best and most trusted form of advertising.
@@rossmanngroup Please Mr. Rossmann, could you stop giving away the game/explaining the tricks/exposing the shills?
I fear, if you keep it up, our whole current system may come down...
@@irgendwieanders2121crash the current system.
Diesel injectors are coded to the ECU now
@@irgendwieanders2121 It needs to crash down, broken to pieces so it would need to be rebuild from ground up and hopefully to better state.
Just wanted to say, BMW put subscription heated seats in a car that wasn't full electric.
This was a great video to make Louis. I think my favorite part of watching your rants is that as far as I can tell, you are very consistent in your view points.
That's my point, it is not inherent to the technology, it is inherent to the company producing it. Making electric bikes or electric vehicles that are not freedom respecting is a design decision, not something that is inherent to the actual drive train technology being used.
yeah, and there's also some cheap electric cars that don't really have any apps at all. Just made to be really affordable.
@rossmanngroup I suppose a more apt phrase would have been "BMW doesn't have a single problem putting their anti-consumer BS on Non-EVs too"
But one things for certain, you are relentless in the pursuit. A phrase I always liked is: "If you encounter a lot of unneeded resistance, you're probably headed the right way".
@@reed560 Sadly it seems like companies have to be forced to be more consumer friendly. Politicians passing laws are important. Apple is really being pushed in the right direction by EU now.
Gass guzzlers ftw
Hey Mr. Rossmann, you should do a series of “freedom” approved products. From appliances to vehicles.
Maybe don't call it that
Depends. A lot of "freedom" approved products are garbage and quickly made due to some political bs going on. See the freedom phone.
If it's anything like that or similar, it's not worth covering.
Gotta be cautious nowadays with anything claiming to be freedom or patriotic, because usually it's just a political show and not an actual freedom product.
@@shitlordflytrap1078 why? what's wrong with FAPs?
/j
Loosely related, in China they put so many regulations on eBikes and scioters trying to push people to buy electric cars that you have a contramovement where healy people buy electric wheelchairs because they aren't regulated and they have speed and autonomy. Insane times.
@@elenabob4953 This is so china XD
But this shows once again how corrupt china is.
It is kinda also happpening in my city, stores have been offering and pushing electric stepscooters.
And they are dangerous, unstable, bad brakes and very small wheels but they go like 20mph and the speed they need to react to other traffic is about 10mph, so soon they are gonna be heavily regulated. And hopefully those pesky stepscooters will disapear. hehehehe (I am 28 but got into many near accidents with these drivers with a death wish that can't break on time even if they wanted to)
And i don't want them to endanger others and me :P
@@elenabob4953AFAIK youtube sends all comments with links to channel owner for premoderation
Insane the lengths that government is going to try to herd it's citizenry like sheep. You'd think they would've learnt by now. Especially pitiful given the bikes are probably better. But I guess they aren't as flashy.
That's actually kinda funny, imagine being on the road and someome who geared their wheelchair to go 60 mph pulls up next to you lol
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VanMoof already went belly up last week. It was all over the news here in The Netherlands. Bikes are offered on marktplaats (our e-Bay equivalent) for scraps because no one can service them and the official VanMoof stores were closed because angry customers were lining up there to complain.
Let's hope this debacle will be a lesson to everyone.
As it should be how are you expecting this will work in the netherlands literally bike central
Heb je die ene debiel gezien die 2 vanmoof ebikes had omdat er altijd eentje ter reparatie was hahahaha. En volgens my stonden ze allemaal voor de deur om hun defecte ter reparatie aangeboden fiets terug te halen. Als je je fiets 6x per jaar ter reparatie aan moet bieden en je doet dat nog steeds dan ben je volgens niet echt boos, en klagen doen ze hier altijd voor alles maar het zijn nog steeds vanmoof fanbois.
ooh, if u can get them for cheap, guessing they would be a decent base for projects
It’s not really true that there aren’t any other service centers then VanMoof itself. Kwikfit announced they’ll also service VanMoof bikes
Narrator: *it wasn't*
I always find it sad when people talk about how much they hate computers, but they use locked down operating systems and software and are too scared to take things apart. It's a lot of fun tinkering with things, either on the software or hardware side.
"Too scared to take things apart" - I feel I need to address this for myself and anyone like me. I know how to tinker and I like to tinker, but I'm human and I know that we [humans] make mistakes. I can't necessarily afford to replace any given device should I fuck it up - most devices aren't really designed to be disassembled easily with the adhesives they use and such either ...
@@3nertiaalso to add to this. Not everyone has the time
The people who don't like computers aren't going to research this stuff and they certainly will never know what "open source software" is. It's just of no interest or consequence to them. As long as the email works, and the writing program works, who cares?
Justin, the owner of Grin, is an amazing person. One of my friends used to work for them back when they were at their old shop. They went above and beyond to experiment and verify what the best materials, design, etc to use for motor design, controllers, batteries, and literally everything else. Louis is right about how helpful and supportive they are at Grin.
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Very True and they interact with factories to improve design and functionality.
Yeah, my colleagues and I in this hobby/industry work on and build PEVs (personal electric vehicles) every day. Many are easily fixable, some are not. When I can’t fix something, it’s because the manufacturer chose to use parts that can’t be worked with unless you get them from the manufacturer. More and more though, people are electing to gut the electronics of these PEVs and replace them with open-source based ESCs, custom batteries, etc. My goal when I build a PEV is that A) It doesn’t break easily, so I never have to hear about it again, and B) If I died tomorrow, they could bring it to any decent tech or builder to have it fixed if it does break.
You'll go far!
Wish I loved the vehicle i own enough to want to spend the cash to convert it....
@@l0gic23 I mean if everything else is good...
@@l0gic23 IF the local government allows such conversions...
@@Morpheus-pt3wq And we need to push them to allow so. In Portugal someone EV converted a MK1 Ford Escort, so a REALLY OLD classic rally legend and the car took the longest time to get legalized by the DMV. Looking up information on the laws to convert cars here are opaque and explain jack about what exactly you can and CANNOT do to your car, or what is required for certain types of modifications... It's infuriating.
And before anyone mentions the "sin" of EV swapping a classic and excusing these murky laws of my country, just know that if Hydrogen combustion (what ICE fanboys claim will save that type of engine) conversions were a thing these days, the owner would be facing the exact same problems.
EVs don't NEED some electronic key.
Not so long ago we had vehicles that used an actual key.
No app or internet needed or even a battery needed.
Well, the battery was at most used for jumpstarting the vehicles, and powering the headlights. But yeah i getchu.
@@nisbahmumtaz909 I think he is referring to the hand crank times....
@@AthosRac The physical key does the same job as an electronic key.
They both connect the power to the system.
@@MsUltrafox Im going to assume you replied to the wrong person since your reply has nothing to do with what the person you're replying to said.
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I'm glad you clarified this as I have encountered people who believe that promoting R2R/independent ownership is against security, which is not the case. I am actually a fan of security keys for bikes, cars, homes, etc. However, I am wary of having a third-party company come between me and my property and potentially acting as middlemen or holding my possessions hostage. I believe it is reasonable to want complete control over the things I own and not be locked out due to technical errors or mistakes.
Could you imagine how much security you get from requiring physical access to the device, and there is no wireless uplink to it.
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The trouble is that the vast majority of owners aren't knowledgeable enough about security to be able to implement their own security systems effectively. Of course, that's not to say that R2R and independent ownership ARE actually against security, as it's entirely possible to for a third party to make security systems that still respect independent ownership (physical keys, or cryptographic keys that are stored or generated on the host device, not a cloud server as an example), but the majority of consumers are rather forced to rely on a third party for the security of their systems simply because they lack the knowledge required to do it themselves.
@@Dan-gs3kg Yeah, making the bike connect to a server introduces complexity and therefore a possible attack vector. Literally makes no sense except for taking control away from the user.
@@handytech9481 look man, the seats have haptic inputs so we can scan your taint with cloud computing
Another good thing about a removable battery: theft deterrent. I know someone who always removes their bike battery after locking their bike and takes it with them to reduce the probability that it will be targeted for stealing
Yeah I take mine out as long as I'm not taking it to a trailhead (rather not haul my battery up a mountain on my back 😅)
It's much more meaningful to own something you've assembled. If something breaks you know what it is and you know what to fix.
So true
@@elinope4745 Its like minecraft, except it's actually real.
basically what happens is you Become Ungovernable
@@doooofus unbilkable
*me staring five years later at the weird DIY extruder of my 3D Printer*. Yeeeaa, sure.
I would also argue that companies that lock their vehicles and devices are anti-sustainability and they should be penalized for false advertising. When you make it very difficult to repair your electronics devices or your vehicles, and you make it more expensive to get them repaired, that makes you less likely to want to keep it for a long time and just replaced it for a new one therefore increasing the amount of waste.
Nobody ever seems to think about this with Tesla
oh legislators know but they willfully ignore it because its their own circle that runs those companies
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that’s the idea
If you can’t get it fixed somewhere else, you have to let me fix it
which means i can charge you whatever the fuck i want, and look at that, a new problem costs only a little bit more than fixing a fucking pin
I’ve watched a lot of eBike videos over the past 3 years and Louis is the first person I’ve seen to describe what an advantage it is to be able to accelerate with city traffic. For me, this is one of the greatest features of an eBike.
You're absolulty right, thank you Louis! I have a disability and use an e-trike for recreation. I purchased it about 7 years ago and it came with a Bionx hub motor. Last year the motor failed and since Bionx is now out of business and their system is locked down I had to look elsewhere. I purchased a kit from Grin Technologies and I couldn't' be happier. I'm not sponsored by them in any way, I'm just a very satisfied customer who wants to spread the word that in my experience Grin is an all around great company that really does respect user's freedoms.
I wish EV cars didn’t come with all the smart bullshit I just want a motor and a battery
Same
This is also why used vehicle prices are up.
dont know how feasible it is, maybe doable with maybe not, may just need some relays and thats it.
i do know of a rather bad example on a honda?(probably not) EV in which when you stop breaking and start accelerating, the switch from regenerative breaking to usage actually clashes, ie there will be twice as much energy coming from the motors themselves AND the batteries thusly burning/exploding the motor because of overamperage.
technology connections also showed a rather bad example on evs that use regenerative breaking...to break... BUT not lighting up the break light, IF you're using one pedal mode that is.
And if it can't be avoided, I wish someone could make any completely open source EVs to give us some hope, but I'm sure that would be very hard, as some countries has very strict vehicle inspection rules
I wish too but regulations say otherwise and I partially understand it because battery fires are very hard to extinguish.
Old does not mean dead, new does not mean best.
This is a common misconception that older generations have. The idea that "if its electric, then it does not respect freedom" needs to be changed. I think that Tesla helped establish this idea. But as Louis says, electric vehicles can be as free as you design them to be. Many electric bike manufacturers are required to sell bikes locked at a certain max speed but this is easily reversed. Your ebike is as free as you build it to be.
The problem is most ecars do have that problem. It doesent have to be that way, but it really is. But now ICE is now the same.
How much freedom will you have when the ICE bans go into effect and you discover that, since the electric grid can't support that many EVs and they require rare materials to build, the total cost of EV ownership shoots up to something almost nobody can afford? Then it won't matter how the EV is built.
EVs are here to assuage your concerns about the ICE bans that are being passed in various places. You're not meant to realize that the real goal is to force everybody to rely solely on public transportation and bicycles.
I had a recruiter reach out to me asking if I’d like to discuss a position at John Deere, and I emailed back saying I wasn’t being of their anti-consumer behavior. Thanks for educating us Louis!
Hi Louis, I am still riding a Bafang. Your early videos inspired me to try a kit on my 10-year-old MTB, and since then, I have built many for my friends. I love the power and speed and, of course, the freedom to do what I want with it 🙂
Where did you go? BafangUSAdirect? Which do you have, that you are advocating for?
This is the way!!!
@@rossmanngroup Yes, it truly is 🙂 I am happy to answer any questions and share my experience.
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This is now all becoming a giant snowball and until a big, REALLY big company goes tits up because the proles say "NO", it's only going to get worse.
Also need actual alternatives. And those alternatives need to be given a chance so they can stick.
LRIG - the LRIG brings together long term values investors to seed companies doing XYZ and meeting ABC principals. Standard minimum investment terms bring some value to LRiG today when they become customers, otherwise reward is long term, based on company success over 5-10years.
I'd join
under enough heat all snowballs melt
:)
That is why the "too big to fail" doctrine brought in during the 2008 financial crisis is so dangerous.
it is similar to how the rail workers were legislated back to work: with only 1 sick day per year during a pandemic requiring at least 10 sick days* if you get sick. The railroads are too important to the economy to allow the workers to cause a necessary disruption. Their safety concerns were proven correct within 3 months of being legislated back to work.
*You may have seen the revised guidance saying you only need to stay home 5 days. That is because the airlines did not have enough healthy staff left to work Christmas/New Year 2021. So instead to taking steps to mitigate the ongoing pandemic: they just changed the rules.
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Glad you brought it up. Bothered me for years that EV’s get the anti freedom bad rap when all internal combustion vehicles are computer controlled too.
Not arguing about being green, just freedom.
Nice to see Grin getting some love. They're local to me and a lot of the advances in ebikes the last several years are derivative of their work.
Now they gonna make that spark plug thing into reality, their eyes sparkled, of course with monthly subscription for your safety.
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I'm a fair bit lazier than Louis when I built my electric bike. I converted my old, year 2000, Apollo Summit MTB to electric with a $700AU TDR 1000w 48v kit from eBay. Works well, even though I'm fat as (148kg), it still hits 25km/h (maximum legal speed here for e bikes, although I can disable the limiter and I've taken it up to 48km/h).
I have had to pull apart the battery pack and replace the BMS once, but other than that it's great. I just hit the switch and off I go. No DRM, no phone app, nothing. It was a tonne of fun to build, and I can service it and repair it myself.
I would never buy one of those fully Integrated battery in the frame nonsense e bikes.
This is the way!
Sounds like a very great deal for DIY e bike transition kit
Welp if I go electric it will be a true E-MTB Enduro for the sport and there is only one with a motor and gearbox combined that can provide that. Proprietary stuff is in it but I still would buy it because anything else is trash on the market compared to this solution.
This is why I bought a Juiced bike and a VORO Motors e scooter. Everything is repairable and there is no computer onboard. VORO literally gives you the parts and tools to fix and take apart everything. ❤
Around where I live, this practice of including software on ebikes is actually outlandish. We have a really strong culture of repairing our own bikes here or going to a local (vendor-independent) repair shop, so bikes that are locked in like Apple devices wouldn't fly.
Sounds like an amazing market for engineers and programmers to start making custom open source boards to bypass restricted features.
I knew a student in 2021 that was selling custom raspberry pi assemblies set up and wired up as a bypass tool for car heated seats and was gonna have a potential heated seat subscription. It bypassed the infotainment system completely and wired straight to the battery.
I’d rather not let it get to that point, but if it does, hopefully there is proper retaliation.
This sounds just like how I installed The Sims 3 for my sister and then changed the registry so that she had all the DLC because it was on the disc already. Best $7.50 she ever spent.
Well said. Electronic devices are not the problem. The problem is the vendors who lock certain functionalities behind an online service or app. Currently I'm looking for a no app no bs sous vide immersion circulator and oh god how hard and limited in choice that is.
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Plenty of ICE vehicles have "subscription"/ app-based shit. The issue is NOT EV vs ICE, it's about OWNER control of the shit they BOUGHT. Electric propulsion is fine and for some use cases preferred. There is nothing about a bike (or any other vehicle) being electric that REQUIRES communicating to some server somewhere or having DRM "protected" controls. A $20 box fan is equally powered by an electric motor. The normal "app" for those is a four-position mechanical switch, LOL. I do like the idea of building one's own E-Bike! My grandfather used to say: "Do it yourself, and YOU know where the bodies are buried"- No, he was not a mob hit man, just his colorful way of saying that you know where the potential flaws are in your own project. LOL.
That's an example of "issue linkage" where unrelated issues are frequently combined together. Freedom of access has been linked to the drive train being electric. You're 100% on the nose and thank you for bringing it up. When these are linked in legislation its often called "logrolling".
Can't wait for Lewis Rossman Freedom industries to go global.....it's what we all need
Especially if his name was spelt correctly.
@@Eidolon1andOnly actual names is trade marked for bigger things ....so needs must
@@amc8313"Rossmann" is pretty hard in regards to trademark rights anyway because there is already a german drugstore with that name
@@Eidolon1andOnly😂!!
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I totally agree with you. However I think the main problem is not everyone is willing to build a bike themselves as it adds so much more friction to obtaining a bike. Same as cars, not everyone will retrofit EV tech into a non EV vehicle to make it not anti-freedom. For now the best option for those people are to just not touch EVs, till we get a couple companies actually doing things the right way.
Tons of builders exist!
@@rossmanngroupMarket opportunity? 👀👀
There are builders that do it the right way, Magnum makes there bikes within in the limits set forth by law, while giving you the freedom to set up your prefered power level and utilize Generic easily replaceable parts. Aerial Rider, is another and Rider1up. none of these bikes need anything more than you pressing a button to get them to work.
@@rossmanngroup I never knew about that, that's really neat actually. That needs nore publicization I guess. I hope some sort of car company actually decides to go the route of right to repair soon for EVs and newer combustion engine vehicles.
Sounds like a market opportunity for those who are willing to build for others.
Louis, in many of these types of videos I often hear you speak about how companies and society used to be more freedom respecting, and this is true. However, I think this pairs with an equally important trait that has gone missing from society: Self Reliance.
In my house growing up, my dad did basically everything that needed to be done to the house, the yard, or the cars to keep everything in usable and adequate condition.
I learned these skills from him, and continue to do almost everything in life myself, but combined with an even greater skillset than he could ever have imagined, thanks to insane advancements in technology.
It seems that society has been conditioned to call in someone else for every little job, and to hand over all sense of self reliance to some other entity, be it corporate, an AI bot, or some government lackey.
One thing I have always admired about your channel is your "can-do-it" attitude, and the fact that you don't gatekeep your knowledge; but on the contrary, you readily share it, and nudge people to exercise power over their own day-to-day lives.
100% this. I grew up in a lower income family. We didn't have the money to call someone to fix something. Our only option was to fix it ourselves. It didn't matter what the problem was or what was broken. We did our best to figure it out and fix it ourselves. If we couldn't fix it then we could call someone who could. I'm still this way. Why would I take my car to a mechanic when I can just fix it myself for a fraction of the cost.
Another problem I've ran into many times is that these so called "professionals" don't always do good work. Just about every time we've hired someone to do work at our house, they do mediocre work. Don't get me wrong. They get the job done and it's acceptable, but it's not great. They don't do what we ask or argue about how to complete the work. The don't want to do work that's up to code. My experience with multiple mechanics have been the same. I've had multiple mechanics do less than what was in the quote and then try to overcharge. I've also experienced the opposite, they will do twice as much as what was in the quote and the bill is double. This is why I tend to do my own work.
@@jTempVids I am this way too. If there is a chance of me fixing something without messing things up - I will do that. Only if I do not have the required and expensive tools or skills I will pay someone for work. The problem is that manufacturers are as if trying to ensure that this will not be the way. Also, in this day and age some things are unnecessary complicated.
I started building electric bikes about a year ago, ive never had so much fun. My own personal bike is capable of 4x the legal limit, but i only go that fast in reasonable places, because i respect the hobby and i dont want other bikers to get a bad reputation
Most path limits top out at 15 mph, if you can go 60 mph that isn't really an e bike any longer. E moped, e motorcycle realistically.
Hmm, strange, I just got a new ISP and am now being recommended videos from this channel every time I get on UA-cam. I have not seen this since early in the pandemic, when I had been watching regularly, _without ever being a subscriber._ I know UA-cam frequently gets the blame for this, but perhaps, *Alphabet* is not the only issue in driving viewership.
I foresee that sometime soon there will be geo subscriptions for your vehicle. That is, if you want to drive in a specific city or neighborhood you will have to buy a subscription and if you don't you will get a ticket or your car will be disabled remotely.
If we are not careful then i can see it too. Cuzz that will be great profit for someone
The "anti freedom" stuff is much older than EVs. A while ago, before EVs where really a thing (tinkerers and people that where willing to pick up a soldering iron had their vehicles). The company i used to work for, had BMWs as their company fleet. The car refused to start in front of a railway crossing, no message, no indication. Just wont budge after stopping for a train to pass.
Since the company had a fleet, i just called the hotline. They told me, they already knew about the problem and someone is on their way. The service man opened a panel on the drivers door, exchanged a board with who knows what on it and the car would turn on again no problem. Sure I was in a place where they could get to me quickly, but there was nothing inherently wrong with the car - and I could just have drove the 1 km to the companies parking lot. Their self-diagnostic stuff could just have notified the contractor to replace the board later. But without noticing the driver, that company decided to not allow the car to be operational any more - until they replaced a board which was had nothing to do with safely operating the vehicle.
4:40 this argument is exactly why I don't own an e-bake in the UK.
15.5mph top speed limit and 250w motor limit.
Not enough speed or acceleration to achieve being ignored by traffic, so you get overtaken by idiots who hate cyclists. High speeds are dangerous, but not as dangerous as being hit by 2T of steel box trying to squeeze past.
When following the law creates an Unsafe condition, it is your duty as a citizen to disobey it. That is why I had a 3,000w ebike in a city where the limit was 750 at my time of build
@@rossmanngroupI agree, but in this case I just don't buy the "green option".
I worked out with my usage I would need to daily an ebike for 2 years (rain, shine or snow) before it pays for itself against diesel cost. Just no point for me.
tbh lots of cyclists are also idiots, trips to Amsterdam can be a nightmare because of them; I don't want to imagine what they'd do with something like a 5kW motor...
@@burgersnchipsSo you are driving a Diesel bike? =P
I think with cycling, electric or not, comes other (health) benefits compared to driving a car.
Imagine you lived in a city with good bicycle infrastructure.
"Louis but what if someone goes over the 20 kmph speed limit" IT'S THE LAW DEPARTMENT'S JOB TO ENFORCE LAW. NOT THE PRODUCT'S JOB.
Why are illegal things permitted for sale?
Last week alone, I received several emails from services I previously used to "buy" their new subscriptions and wave my right to an attorney. Anti-freedom is becoming the new normal
We were warned.
Schwab: 'you will own nothing & you will be happy'
@@user1.8.2. Waiting for that "happy" part to kick in.
@@user1.8.2.Schwab's English is bad, he meant content/complacent
@@michaeldavid6832 Happiness will be mandatory. If you are not happy, there is something wrong with you and it must be corrected.
What do you mean by waiving your right to an attorney?
Grin Technologies are great, I remember them sending me out a replacement cover for the CAv2 (the buttons became unglued after 7 years) overseas to me for free - no shipping cost, no nothing. A very different experience than most companies when you ask for a replacement part! Oh and em3ev are great too, I still use one of their battery packs that they made 13 years ago.
The problem is that most people don't have the time to undertake such projects. Most people have maybe some free time on the weekends, and would want something ready-to-go.
So well said. I know exactly what you mean after I built my own 2kW ebike 8 years ago, and painstakingly sifted through thousands of laptop battery packs to get enough good cels together to make a 2kWh battery pack.
8 years later, I still love it to bits!
I find it kind of amazing that nobody has created a super minimal EV for less than $15k.
Or a petrol engine that can do 2x 3x 4x the miles per gallon of current cars ... or maybe this technology exists but the public doesn't get access to it, I couldn't possibly comment further.
Probably because getting it commercially approved for road usage, including safety measures etc. is going to be really expensive.
You already have it in Europe, it is called Dacia Spring.
Dude my ebike's so simple it only has one wheel. Cost me less than $5k.
Something like the Opel Rocks-e?
My Gen1 LEAF is an actual electric car. It's got none of the "features" of a lot of the cars have today and I love it. All the internal controls are buttons - not a single touch screen in the whole thing. Seat warmers are free of any subscription. The most connectivity it has is BT with the radio.
It looks a little weird (for that slippy aero) so it's unpopular, but it's the only car I can see myself driving until we (hopefully) get past this syncing phase. OBD2 port's a little weird, but someone fortunately reverse engineered the output and it's entirely manageable.
If there is any interface that I need to operate while I can't look at the buttons, it shouldn't be a touch screen. I can operate my light switch while the light is off. I can change the settings on my monitor while keeping my eyes on the screen area, I can change channels on my radio while keeping the eyes forward. I can skip a song on my media player while keeping it in my pocket.
The one problem I know of with the first gen Leaf is the lack of battery cooling.
I'm planning on building an electric bike over the next year, or so. I started building and flying quadcopters last year, and sometimes I am not sure which I like more, building or flying. Looking forward to building and riding an electric bike. Thanks for sharing your research with us, and pointing us in a good direction, Louis. Probably saved me at least a few hours of time.
I like the restrictive and app controlled stuff on rentals. Downloading an app and seeing a map of twelve rental options near me and grabbing one and unlocking it with my phone and then it charges my PayPal and I just drop it on the floor when I'm done with it. It's very convenient for me to be able to find them and use them and not need anything except my phone for it. Ten years ago I visited Cologne and they had rental bikes that my university bus/train pass was valid for so I could grab any of those bikes and use them for 30 minutes for free, and then some cheap amount if I used it longer than that. They weren't EVs yet but it was still amazing to find them with an app and unlock them with an app. I've used e-scooters that worked similarly. Haven't seen it with actual e-bikes yet but it would be weird if it wasn't a thing.
But for my own property? Absolutely not. Maybe GPS tracking to log my routes and also find it if it's stolen, a nice lock and a nice key, and none of the online connection stuff, except for the GPS features to be remotely accessible, and that's just a personal choice I'm willing to make so I can recover it if it gets stolen. Heck, just throw in a couple phone parts and having it show up on Google's "where's my phone?" would be enough.
Still anti-consumer. Normal is when you bring transport card to a reader and go.
@@uis246 I would give this a pass. You download an app and use a service, you don't need to go somewhere to pick up card/key/code...
Also for rental it is useful that if you steal that car/scooter, they can turn if off remotely.
But having that "feature" on something you bought is just wrong.
@@simonspacek3670 phone app has nothing to do with remote control
I was always in the camp that ebikes are for old people but that changed. Ebikes are a game changer for commuting. I can do the 25min bike ride without coming to work sweaty. Makes every day better
For me the best part is I have the confidence to bike to my heart's content without having to worry about having enough energy to get home if I get too tired I just use the throttle till I feel like pedaling again a couple weeks ago I went on a 40 miles bike ride I would never have had the confidence to go that hard if it wasn't for the reassurance that I could at any time stop pedaling twist the throttle and zip back home if I wanted to
This same "lockout" problem has been around ever since the Digital Rights Management concept was implemented heavily in the 1990s.
It used to be a software issue, but now they are tying hardware to software in such a way that the software issue has become a hardware issue.
People are only blaming EVs for it because it's the first *real* mainstream product in which the replacement cost is greater than the repair cost.
laptop or phone stops working? buy another one.
can't do that with an $80,000 item quite as easily. (in other words, it actually effects the pocketbook of the upper middle class and higher).
I agree that it's not that EV's are bad. It's that companies are just using the paradigm shift as a way to do as they please.
I'm thinking about building my own eBike powered off of drill batteries. But for some reason I couldn't build one, I'd buy one from a company that doesn't require me to use an app to ride it. If I really wanted to lock it I'd just use a D shackle lock and loosen the stem a bit when I park it so if someone does try to cut the D shackle and take off, it'd be hilarious to watch.
As far as the anti-repair moves, I thoroughly believe that even if the shift was to a different fuel source instead of EV's, these companies would still try a lot of the same crap.
i love the point you bring about ebikes beeing MORE safe with more power..
i stopped using my 3grand ebike because it was simply not fast enough for the city, it was simply too dangerous.
now i am driving around with a 2 ton ev, much safer
not so much for the environment though
There's a tradeoff though. I didn't feel safe going 28mph on most of the roads because they're shitty roads, and the cars were still going faster anyway (despite speed limit: 25mph). I'm not sure if I'd trust the bike at higher speeds to not have issues, especially if the weather is suboptimal or the road is littered with potholes. My ebike having iffy connections between components didn't help inspire confidence either, and since it was a fancy battery-in-frame one it's not terribly repairable.
I went back to just using my trusty single speed that does ~15mph usually. If I do try an ebike again, it'll be a DIY setup that I understand.
Yeah, one of the big concerns I have about owning a Tesla is that the app you use to control remote features goes through Tesla servers with no option to do it through a server of your choice. If Tesla decides to be evil in some way or the company goes belly up, what happens to the app? I don't know how the app and car actually talk to each other but it makes most sense that there's a server between them, and I think if you own a car you should be able to run that server yourself if you want to.
The app itself *is reliant on Tesla’s servers staying up* for remote operation but the vehicle remains operable if you have a physical key or your phone already paired over Bluetooth.
I’m still not a fan of how they Apple-ify servicing parts of the vehicle that aren’t the brakes & tires but I’m not worried my car will be a dud in case the company goes belly-up or has some insane server outage.
I bought an Engwe e-bike earlier this year and to be honest I didn’t really even think of any of this. However my Engwe is started with a mechanical key same as a car/scooter/motorcycle. One thing I did notice in the package is that they provided the manual for the controller along with all of the ‘secret’ menus that I could use to remove the speed cap, add fine grained motor controls, etc. Unlocked the bike is absolutely a hoot to ride and I’m now a fan of e-bikes. When the day comes and I want to sell my e-bike, it will be easy since I just hand the new owner the keys and off they go.
i bought an old razor mini dirt bike off a friend, stripped it of all the original components, and replaced them with my own. i can easily reach 30 mph maybe 45 if i tried, and all for less than $1500. no drm whatsoever, except for a physical key with no transponder. its small, relatively light, and costs very little to power, as its electric. folks, this is the definition of freedom, and i agree with every word louis says.
My Fiat 126 comes with a manual that includes maintenance guide and diagrams for repair/adjusting. Essentially everything what is needed to keep it running.
Not manufactured anymore, because of...,?
@@adorinadorin Design is from 1972. But the point was that the mindset back then was completely different. I think that how things are now is consequence of service based economy.
@@waldemarii design finished much easrlier, 1972 is manufacturing start. On wiki there is sth like production line wore off and dropping customers interest
So does my 2017 Chevy Bolt.
EU had to make law to force charging stations to accept normal debit/credit cards
Really, I wasn't aware about that but I remember that my colleagues that have been early adopters of Zoe complaied that they required a wallet because watch charge station required it's own card, even the free ones from the shopping centers.
There is a corralation between EVs(and other devices) and anti-repair measures. It is just so much easier to design products that are anti repair, when main functions rely on software. Basically modern technologies enabled more anti-repair measures. They do not have to exist, but companies want to implement them, because they think it protects them and not you the customer.
It's just a way for companies to sell you less for the same price. When as a government policy you make money increasingly worthless, companies seek to cut corners to stay afloat. Shoddy quality, planned obsolescence, ridiculous packaging, reducing your rights... all means to make more $$ without (or actually in addition to) raising prices. And market mechanisms that correct that are increasingly knocked out because business is concentrated in monopolies.
I work at (a) FedEx. I did some OT in the 102+ Tx heat and when I got to my last stop I got out of my truck to find out where this hospital wanted me to deliver their stuff. I got back to my truck to move it to that area and it doesn't turn on. It's a gasoline Ford e650 with a boxtruck on the end owned by a rental company.
Long story short, my managers forgot to renew the rental fee that morning and my truck was remotely disabled.
While my managers were getting that figured out and I wanted to be proactive instead of baking in the driver's seat, plus I still needed to make service on my time commitment and before the place closed so I used a flatbed dolly to take my 40+ boxes from the side parking lot to the opposite side of the hospital. Shout out to the administrator that supplied me with water and gatorade and didn't lock the main door on me (otherwise I'd have to drag all this stuff even further).
The only good reason I can think of for the smartphone bike key is anti-theft. Bike theft is a major issue in certain areas.
A taser in the seat activated if the owner isn't within Bluetooth range could solve that quite quickly!
@@ahaveland Nah, thieves often just load a van full with bikes. It's not people going for a joyride that are the problem.
That thing probably has a whole operating system on it. People crack games with much more sophisticated DRM than this shit, I'm sure we can figure out how to crack these. Or just write new firmware for it that just enables everything by default.
God bless the hackers.
I probably won't every be able to buy an e-bike but I like hearing you speak about things you are passionate about.
All I have to say it I relate to it, it reminds me of the time I first installed debian, things working without any account or subscription bs was so much fun.
For folding electric scooters, Voro Motors is very repair and customer friendly. The only key it has is a physical one that came with it when I bought. All of the functions/parameters on the controller are there, even though a little cryptic. They sell any parts and even have videos show how to replace and fix parts on it.
I appreciate the video just for the mentions of some decent e bike companies. EVs live in a weird headspace for me. I love modifying and fixing my IC car and fundamentally EVs are simpler in design. So they could be just as good if not better to own and work on if it wasnt for all the baricades in soft/hardware. For instance I really like the companies doing E conversions of older cars and what that promises for weekend mechanics in the future
When subscription becomes mandatory, piracy becomes important
I have a Radpower e-bike, and I really like it. But I'm not really a tinkerer, use it as a daily, or live in a busy city. The 0-20 accel time is fine for my needs, but I see how if you were trying to navigate New York or similar you'd need a lot more customization. The website has a fair amount of parts available but not everything. Can't get the controller or hub motor. Maybe if you called them, I don't know.
I just use it to go on general rides and bike paths. I can't tune it or anything, but it also doesn't use any sort of wireless connectivity. It's just a power button. Pretty simple.
I have an ebike and when I saw this news this was the first time I have ever heard of an app powered ebike. Most of them are not like that. I don't have to get it repaired by the company that made it or anything like that either. I had no idea people had this misconception. Thank you for explaining this to the "outsiders" who don't get it.
Just some extra info about VanMoof.
Even their non EV is a piece of thrash, it's build with vendor specific parts, which are already a pain to get a hold of...
They wanted to be the Apple of bikes, in a way they were, because they were quite popular in the more progressive circles, but they went too niche.
I don't get how it can be popular in "progressive" groups. Progressive towards what. -_-
@@shadowslave4948
Their own image probably, it's just telling that it was most popular in Amsterdam and Utrecht.
Iirc. there are almost 100 bikes for sale on second hand sites in Amsterdam alone.
Considering the safety and security argument.
Happened to me several times where someone does something stupid on the road and we are both about to crash. Having the extra speed and power let me go over the limits and actually saving us both from the crash
More power to you Mr Rossman because truth is most all your rants are also our rants or at least mine.
Keep up the good fight sir.
Where did you buy your Ebike motor from?
My EUC has all of the Bluetooth connectivity to change settings you need but it's completely operational without it as well, it's not that hard lol
If you want to get more subscribers, you'd have to constantly zoom in and out for every "key word" you say, because 150% of all other youtubers do it and their complete ADHD-ridden audience will immediately hit the "subscribe" button once the first zoom happens.
No really. Thank you Louis, to be one of the last standing youtubers not doing that annoying bullshit. I can watch your videos without the feeling of someone jumping at me or trying to get cheap attention. I like your content and it doesn't need any of those annoying and distracting "pacing" techniques to keep me watching until the end! 😊
I genuinely hate that shit! It's also way too much work to do. Out of curiosity I tried it out and way too annoying to create a shitty result.
Thank you!!!!
ADHD has nothing to do with annoying video editing techniques, I have ADHD and I have watched Louis Rossmann for a long time now, annoying "attention grabbing" editing actually makes it harder for me to focus on a video, just being plain and simple and talking clearly and fast is what makes it easier to focus, exactly what this guy does.
I once came across a creator who, throughout the whole 10+ minute video did the out of focus and back to focus transition effect on a 10-second loop. Needless to say, I couldn't watch, as my eyes started to hurt after a minute hunting for focus. Unfortunately, the topic in the video was interesting, so I still stayed.
ADHD-ridden? You seem "talking confidently about things you know nothing about"-ridden.
Careful, wouldn't want to contract ADHD from me.
@@stephenmcdonagh2795 The best feature on YT is "Don't Recommend Channel." When I accidentally click on one of those mojo like videos the whole channel gets added to the list. Same with almost all corporate media and those stupid kids doing "pranks" or "challenges."
You’re spot on about the acceleration. And then it’s about travelling speed and then about amount of road taking up. In that order.
I remember one of my old friends bought one of those sketchy chinese pre-fab electric motorcycles (just generic parts slapped in a frame that looked like a motorbike). Since it was all generic off the shelf parts, whenever something would fail (the original breaker was not triggering correctly, just overheating and shutting down for 30 minutes) we could order another off the shelf breaker. We could replace all the wiring, upgrade the batteries, jailbreak the governor to allow it to go faster or in his case, be able to go up hills without overheating the breaker, even upgrade the motor. Everything was off the shelf and it was great.
I also do not like factory made e-bikes. They are very expensive with overpriced batteries! For example BOSCH battery costs 2x more ($/Wh) than the same for DIY.
For example 750Wh battery costs ~750 euro. Meanwhile 1200Wh in Polly DP9 case using SAMSUNG 21700-50E cost me ~550 euro!
Hello, I'm contacting you about your oxygen subscription ending
My neighbor got with his second hand car 230V EVSE set at 16A, and internals can do 32A. As cars is imported from Norway, I asked the Norvegian office how to set the current.
They said that I can not do it, but EVSE has to be set to, connected to the internet and user account (for tracking energy usage and scheduling charging at low rates), and checked by their technitian (which they do not have in my country), before current rate can be changed.
So I opened it, seen that it has all the hardware for 3 phase charging but not 3 phase cable connected. So I spent 10$ on 3 phase cable and household socket and kept it software locked at 16A. Not it charges 3x as fast and does 11kW.
EVSE is not connected to the Internet. I lookee up on their website, 3 phase model costs almost the double 1 phase one.
You are very correct. For years now IC cars have had electronic throttle and steering assist. The sensor and technology to make a self driving car is completely separate from the drivetrain and could be implemented on an IC car.
I listen to your videos everyday on my way to work. People are starting to notice, my friend.
Oh dang I’m early early, hi Louis! Thank you for wishing me a lovely day before reminding me that the world sucks. Either way, thanks for the no bullshit content that I’ve come to love you for!
There is one giant caveat, Here (Belgium, and probably many other EU countries) you CANT make a bike yourself just like that and drive around with it. Here there's a 25kph(16mph) limit for the normal electric bikes you buy and a 45kph(27mph) limit for "speed bikes", these "speed bikes" require a license plate AND a drivers license.
Also all (electrically) motorized vehicles need to be checked and conform to regulations and limitations (such as no higher speed than 45kph and max 4kW)...
If I were to make this kind of bicycle myself I need to get a certificate for series production (yes, to make a whole batch of bikes). Which I can't do since I need to be a recognized producer of bikes.
So legally, you cannot do any of this as stupid as it sounds. Or risk a fine costing you the price of the bike itself... I wish it was different
i've been telling people the way to go with both PEVs and EVs is DIY.
too much hate on these because they are blamed for legislation making ICE vehicles harder and harder to get instead of being allowed to compete on their own merits
Ngl I thought he was referring to Pokémon effort values. Guess I’m too far gone 😭
Or Eevee's, which are the best pokemons.
that's so fucking funny, sometimes I think that too
@@Unsensitive debatable
Woah, I know quite a few people with electric bikes, and none of them have anything like what you describe. That is truly dystopian, and the worst part is, I'm not even surprised.
Saved this video for future reference, in case my bike ever breaks down - thank you!
Regarding the speed limit, I actually understand why it exists, at least in my (European) country.
Upon reaching certain specs, you would be riding something akin to a motorcycle (there are some very low horse power ones here that require a lesser license). That would mean regulation regarding license plate, turn signals, regular inspections, taxes etc.
What's more, there are plenty of bike-only lanes here. Motorcycles aren't allowed on there, so why should something that's basically an electronic motorcycle be allowed? E-bikes get to go on there, due to their lesser power (and, I suspect, because the government is actively encouraging their use).
All that very well may not apply to the US, of course, and for that matter, I might be mistaken on some or all of it. That being said, those things sure are handy to have around - the dumb ones, at least.
THANK YOU for saying it Louis, people have a stupid misconception that the drivetrain will cause it even if non EVs have systems in place that let it happens as well
I feel the same about my first AR-15, which I chose to build as opposed to just going to a store and buying already built.
I searched forums and UA-cam on how to build one, what parts I would need, what the parts do, etc.
I then took my time and found the parts I wanted and waited for sales and bought them. I then started putting it altogether, piece by piece and now I have MY rifle.
I enjoyed the process immensely and, despite being a total Fudd, it is amazing that I can go into a gun store and request specific parts for my rifle that deal with the build and the gun store sales person doesn't know what I'm talking about because he or she has always just bought prebhilt rifles and MAYBE knows how to clean it and lubricate it, but beyond that hasn't a clue.
It's a fun feeling isn't it?
@@rossmanngroup Indeed! Of course, I started with computers before that and Legos before that ;)
I guess I've always enjoyed taking things apart and putting them together!
lol
on the flip side. who needs a gun when you can create an app & and a sub and rob pple. lol
I think the issue with electric stuff is its become the beachhead/trojan horse/pebble before an avalanche of DRM hell.
So now "we" can't trust anything and lash out like an abused animal at anything that smells like change.
Heck, the recent Steam update that was touched on last week. I loaded Steam, saw the UI change, and immediately knew I was going to have issues with it. Sure enough, that's what has happened. Self fulfilling maybe, but still where I am in life. And I'm betting its not just me.
I am not a big fan of all thing EV, but what Louis says makes perfect sense about freedom on control regardless of the means of propulsion. I can't imagine how people get along out in the Mountain West where cell and data coverage is spotty at best.
I went to a company called Lekker.
They took one of their designs and then modified it to work as an E-Bike by adding a bafang power train and controller, the gearing is Shimano gearing and tektro brakes
Anything that breaks I can go back to the manufacturers and get replacements, or I can upgrade any of them
No stupid app. A simple button to turn it on/off with a simple key to release the battery.
I think a lot of people dislike EVs because of the way they are being introduced. There's the issues with privacy, ownership and subscriptions with the actual cars (which is now a problem with regular cars too), and then there's the way that many governments are trying to force people to get EVs. My country is literally banning petrol cars from 2030.
No it wont. The transition cant be made that quickly, politicians will just extend the time line. Its just not possible for all countries to switch simultaneously because of the resource and manufacturing constraints. It is possible to talk about it though because politicians unlike the mining and manufacturing industries are not constrained by reality.
nah, they may say that but their idiocy has also been in full display with it, they better wash their necks if they really try to push it through.
My country also plans to ban any gasoline cars starting in 2035 in order to meet the "net zero carbon policy" in 2050 and as late as 2060
But I'm sure if those stupid subscription thing never exist, the transition to EV would be much faster
Edit: Also a thing to add based on previous comment, I'm sure that the government would possibly extend the transition period if the EV supply aren't enough
Theres also the method lithium and cobalt? Are mined , would turn me off if i had any interest 😬
@@MrkBO8they said the same thing about American cars back in the 70s and look what it did to our car industry
I actually somewhat disagree with you on your last point about unlimited speed on an electric bike. While I understand that it works great for you and I can only imagine how fun riding such a bike would be, this kind of thing only really works if you aren't sharing your bike-lane with other people.
Here in germany, iirc, electric bikes are limited to going 25kmph. For any speed above that, you will no longer get motor assistance. If you're bike allows you to go significantly above that, it is classified as an electric motorbike or mofa or something like that. This means it would require a license plate and so on. And while that might sound kinda dumb, I do actually think this makes sense when you have proper bike infrastructure and usage. It would be really annoying to be on some bike path as a normal biker and constantly have people rushing by going 15-20 kph faster than would be doable on a normal bike.
And in my opinion, equating this "freedom" with cars is a really bad argument. Because on a bike, the expectation is, that on flat ground, everybody will naturally go between 20 and 30 kph. This means there are no speed limits necessary, because, except for the few professional bycicle athletes, no one can really sustain going at any significantly higher speed. The same thing simply cannot be said about cars. Therefore they require speed limits, licenses etc.
An electric bike should make biking easier, not automatically transform it into a different category of vehicle. And the off-the-shelf variants should reflect that. If you want to make your e-bike go as fast as proper motorvehicles, go for it, but don't be surprised if it gets classified as such.
Can we make all cars to shut off their engines at 25kmph first?
@@uis246 E-bikes are designed with a motor cut-off speed to make them kid compatible. Adults who need/want faster speeds should be looking at vehicles that require a license.
People have been sold the lie that an E-bike is an E-motorbike that doesn't have the license(and other legal) requirements.
Indeed. Weird to see a lot of comments that you need to be able to go as fast or faster then regular car traffic to be "safe" is BS to me.
by the way, I kind of miss your NYC bike vlogs. they were kind of terrifying to watch but you managed to make it home every single time
You really don’t give a crap how we are feeling. Have a wonderful hay yourself. And happy birthday.
I've built an ebike and everytime I look at prebuilt ones now I struggle see anything which is open enough to my satisfaction.
This is anecdotal but while waiting to have bafang my hub laced at the local bike shop 3 bosch mid-drive bikes were brought in with different error codes. I will likely now not ever buy a off-the-shelf ebike.
Bafang systems have error codes too. There are always going to be people who see an error code and look into how to fix it themselves versus people who see an error code and immediately bring it into the shop.
My first bike gave me an error code the first day I got it; turned out one of the brake signal wires didn’t have quite enough slack and when you turned the bike the brake signal wire would disconnect. Figured that out on my own, but I know people who would have brought it into a shop.
@@GreySim You're right error codes are useful, I get the impression that at least one of the bikes motors was not operable.
I'd be curious to know people's experiences with bosch systems on cargo bikes and such.