Cool technique- injection ports on flipped lids! Eliminates the contamination vectore of saturated micro pore tape! A different way of thinking then pre-established community wide!
Though flipped lids without any sort of contam filter poses a risk itself, in my experience, flipped lids are fine- I've made agar plates, and they've been fine so far for months while stored with foil on top and in a shoe box storage container (don't fully believe they're viable- but no contam)
Hey man, thanks for the video! Just wondering how you achieve some gas exchange with these after inoculating? (Im assuming colonization would stall out without any). Do you loosen the lids? Or do those ports allow for it? Or am I just being stupid?
@@mushroomcult Thanks for the reply! Great to know. I usually make a polyfill hole in my grain jars, do you think it's overkill to do the same with cakes?
@@mushroomcult I was about to ask why you didnt reverse the lids after .. now I know.. this was intentional for gas exchange… hmm maybe I’ll try a batch.
I have done this many times but for some reason the past 3 tines I have tried I get nothing. Not a strip of mycelium AND no yellow or black or brown shit. I just get nothing.
It is worth trying Agar plates. I have a video called no pour that show how to make very easy Agar jars. Then put a couple drops of spore in the jar to see if you get mycelium or contamination
Hey did you ever get any success? My thoughts would be to look into spore germination or mycelium colonization environmental demands? How humid and what ambient temperature? I know these things can lead to stalling
I tried this with GTs it’s legal in Canada I didn’t roll my cakes in vermiculite I dunked the cakes I left them in tub they bruised and turned blue if I roll do I have to mist ? Or bypass that step
If you soak the cakes you could still roll them when they are wet it will just help them hold moisture. Depending on your environment you may still need to miss them. It would be better to rehydrate the perlite in the bottom of your fruiting chamber as opposed to misting the cakes directly
As long as i have micro filter patches on my lids and self healing injection ports, and am pressure cooking before inoc, i DONT need that extra verm layer on top?
There are many recipes online but I am against recipes. I teach that you should make your own recipe. Find field capacity for the vermiculite and then add the flour until it is at the right texture. This is the best way. Spores are $10 or $20 You can even get them free. Learn to grow regardless of the cost. It is a life skill that will benefit you for a lifetime. Invest in yourself
Ideally you would add all the needed water before cooking the cakes. If they appear dry you could sterilize some water in an Injection jar and use a sterile syringe to add a small amount of water. How long have they been growing?
Start with enough vermiculite to fill about half of your jars then add water until the vermiculite is completely saturated but there is very little extra water left in the bowl. Then add brown rice flour until it has the texture of cooked scrambled hamburger.
8oz is half pint, 16oz is pint, 32oz is quart. 4oz only comes in regular mouth and is ideal for agar plates because of their small size (make sure you get some clear ones to see your agar growth) 8oz comes in wide mouth and regular- wide being the typical go-to for cakes and normal mouth 8oz isn't really used much because of its more tubular carachteristic. With liquid cultures, and other liquid media a rim is best to help control the liquid and avoid saturating the gas exchange ports so regular lids are typically used and when using grain some experts say smaller holes are best to help lower exposure and control the contents when pouring. So typically, except the few folks who use wide mouth pints for larger cakes, regular sized mouth jars are prioritized after 8 oz. It makes it difficult when it comes to trying to have a universal lid size when modifying and buying extra unmodified lids, ik (rolls eyes) The jars in the video are 8oz wide mouths. I've had trouble wrapping my head around jar sizes, too. This is a good study opportunity for me. Lol
@@franco634 Actually quite clear. Some teaching works for some but not others. On the other hand, maybe they were just not paying attention or could benefit from watching again.
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I do not see a post for part 2. Am I looking in the worng place?
Cool technique- injection ports on flipped lids! Eliminates the contamination vectore of saturated micro pore tape! A different way of thinking then pre-established community wide!
Though flipped lids without any sort of contam filter poses a risk itself, in my experience, flipped lids are fine- I've made agar plates, and they've been fine so far for months while stored with foil on top and in a shoe box storage container (don't fully believe they're viable- but no contam)
Embrace your unique perspective and apply it to the problem before you. This is innovation.
Heeeeyyyyy wassup Denver my home of 37 years. I'm a Denver shroom grower too!
awesome place to live. are there any mycocentric groups you attend in the area?
@@mushroomcult no I wish lol it's like all the hippies here are all recluse during the winter lol
@@bjornrockettansky3077 no kidding. The Denver mushroom cooperative was going strong and then silence.
Do they make a big enough bowl? I swear I make a mess every time.
i know. where have all the big bowls gone?
Hey man, thanks for the video! Just wondering how you achieve some gas exchange with these after inoculating? (Im assuming colonization would stall out without any). Do you loosen the lids? Or do those ports allow for it? Or am I just being stupid?
The lid medallions are upside down and allow enough air exchange for colonization.
@@mushroomcult Thanks for the reply! Great to know.
I usually make a polyfill hole in my grain jars, do you think it's overkill to do the same with cakes?
@@mightytoad123 if it works sure. I see a big contam risk with polyfill
@@mushroomcult I was about to ask why you didnt reverse the lids after .. now I know.. this was intentional for gas exchange… hmm maybe I’ll try a batch.
I have done this many times but for some reason the past 3 tines I have tried I get nothing. Not a strip of mycelium AND no yellow or black or brown shit. I just get nothing.
It is worth trying Agar plates. I have a video called no pour that show how to make very easy Agar jars. Then put a couple drops of spore in the jar to see if you get mycelium or contamination
Hey did you ever get any success? My thoughts would be to look into spore germination or mycelium colonization environmental demands? How humid and what ambient temperature? I know these things can lead to stalling
I tried this with GTs it’s legal in Canada I didn’t roll my cakes in vermiculite I dunked the cakes I left them in tub they bruised and turned blue if I roll do I have to mist ? Or bypass that step
If you soak the cakes you could still roll them when they are wet it will just help them hold moisture. Depending on your environment you may still need to miss them. It would be better to rehydrate the perlite in the bottom of your fruiting chamber as opposed to misting the cakes directly
@@mushroomcult thank you much love for the reply I just followed your channel
@@lff9535 awesome. Email me if you have more questions. www.mushroomcult.net
As long as i have micro filter patches on my lids and self healing injection ports, and am pressure cooking before inoc, i DONT need that extra verm layer on top?
The purpose of the driver michelite is to filter the air. If you have an air filter you don't need the vermiculite layer as well
Can u give a measurement for the water I don’t wanna waste any more spores I’ve lost 5
There are many recipes online but I am against recipes. I teach that you should make your own recipe. Find field capacity for the vermiculite and then add the flour until it is at the right texture. This is the best way.
Spores are $10 or $20 You can even get them free. Learn to grow regardless of the cost. It is a life skill that will benefit you for a lifetime. Invest in yourself
2-1-1 ratio. 2 cups vermiculite, 1 cup water, 1 cup brown rice flour. Just keep that ratio if making more 4-2-2 etc.
Quick question if I’ve done the jars and added the spores and see the spores are not spreading through the jars as well can I add more water
Ideally you would add all the needed water before cooking the cakes. If they appear dry you could sterilize some water in an Injection jar and use a sterile syringe to add a small amount of water. How long have they been growing?
@@mushroomcult I did not have a needle to inject the spores so everything is sitting on top also 🤣🤣
@@mushroomcult I did it on the 24th it just doesn’t seam to be spreading as good as the corn I did and yea I know it’s still early 🤣🤣🤣
How much water
Start with enough vermiculite to fill about half of your jars then add water until the vermiculite is completely saturated but there is very little extra water left in the bowl. Then add brown rice flour until it has the texture of cooked scrambled hamburger.
Shouldn't you use gloves while mixing?
you can, but it's not necessary. it will get sterilised anyways.
half pint? those look like 4 ounce jars.
Yes. You can use pint wide mouth too. 4 oz is too small
Most 4oz jars I've seen have a neck, can't really take the cake out with jars like that
8oz is half pint, 16oz is pint, 32oz is quart.
4oz only comes in regular mouth and is ideal for agar plates because of their small size (make sure you get some clear ones to see your agar growth)
8oz comes in wide mouth and regular- wide being the typical go-to for cakes and normal mouth 8oz isn't really used much because of its more tubular carachteristic.
With liquid cultures, and other liquid media a rim is best to help control the liquid and avoid saturating the gas exchange ports so regular lids are typically used and when using grain some experts say smaller holes are best to help lower exposure and control the contents when pouring.
So typically, except the few folks who use wide mouth pints for larger cakes, regular sized mouth jars are prioritized after 8 oz.
It makes it difficult when it comes to trying to have a universal lid size when modifying and buying extra unmodified lids, ik (rolls eyes)
The jars in the video are 8oz wide mouths.
I've had trouble wrapping my head around jar sizes, too. This is a good study opportunity for me. Lol
Is the pressure cooker dry? I couldn't see any steam.
Not dry. You must use the right amount of water in the cooker.
You lost me as soon as you started calling the agar auger you dig with an auger Aaaagar
Dude, no offense but you made this confusing af
What was confusing? I found it to be quite clear. Have you been sampling your mushrooms? LOL Just kidding.
@@franco634 Actually quite clear. Some teaching works for some but not others. On the other hand, maybe they were just not paying attention or could benefit from watching again.
bro, you should just buy brown rice, cook it, put it in jars, & sterilize it. no need for vermiculite.
Sure. This is just one method. It works well.