The front seats on the CPH railmotors were much sought after for the same reason. I was able to "bag" these seats a few times when I was a schoolboy - great fun!
I like to sit on the seats near the front/back and still trips me out no ones driving especially when its taking a corner pretty fast, hopefully we dont have to wait too long for the completition of line to bankstown and hopefully a new suburbian metro will be annouced/started soon would be nice if it was in the south of the city
Possibly a rust run. On the legacy Sydney Trains network, a train must travel every piece of track at least once every 72 hours to keep it certified. Known as a "rail clean" or a rust run because the primary reason was that the train would clear the rust from the rails to allow reliable track circuit operation. Late at night you'll see Sydney Trains and NSW Trains services using crossovers and loops they don't usually use. Sometimes it even happens in peak, a V set skip stopper in the afternoon usually runs through the relief line at Valley Heights. I don't know if Metro uses track circuits - I suspect it might not, but rust runs would still be useful to keep points certified.
Sydney metro doesn't use track circuits for train detection. Axle counters are used at points (for crossovers or turnouts). If you look at train cab videos in high resolution you can see them at tallawong, chatswood and sydenham.
1:11 The sound those trains make as they accelerate always reminds me of the starship USS Enterprise's warp speed engines from Star Trek (original Series).
In Vancouver Canada after a recent track grind I was thinking the same thing. Our oldest 1985 cars on the Skytrain network sounded like the 1960’s Starship Enterprise going to warp.
Hi there, I'm from Malaysia and our metro trains use CBTC signalling too. It certainly gives us a lot of flexibility when bad things happen such as a train breakdown or a signalling fault. For example, if there is a breakdown somewhere, we could turn trains around where there are sidings and run single-line shuttle trains along the other unblocked line.
I took this late night service to Victoria Cross last week on Tuesday and Wednesday. A bit shambolic, in truth, when it came to the customer-facing side of it. The trackwork notification advertised trains would go as far as VC but there were no platform indicators showing any destination at all at Gadigal, and the station's control room announcements inaudible because they were turned up too loud. Once inside, the trains' displays said only Barangaroo. The on-board announcements from the control room again inaudible. People tried to get some clarity from platform staff when the train arrived at Barangaroo, and were assured it would go to Victoria Cross. Then at Victoria Cross staff had to check literally with each passenger before the train reversed direction, as about half of the passengers had no idea they had to alight for a replacement bus to Mac Uni where another train awaited. They did this operation four nights in a row and still didn't get the passenger info displays fixed. They need some PID templates to cover these type of arrangements. Then on Sunday, very frustratingly, there was trackwork that closed the Epping-Tallawong section from the highly unusual time of 17:15, maintenance that hadn't appeared on the weekly trackwork poster.
Yes it was pretty poor on the passenger information front. I did this on Tuesday and it was very poor. By Thursday, it was better, but still could be much improved greatly.
Oh, Paul 😮 just when I was feeling reasonably comfortable with the Metro, you take us on a journey that confuses this old fossil. We travel on the south line to go north, and the north line somehow goes in both directions. We have signals that are not signals while signalling the direction of travel to absolutely nobody into a watertight underharbour tunnel that is leaking profusely. The train is announced that it terminates at Barangaroo but continues to Victoria Cross. I NEED a SEDATIVE AND A NAP after this video 😂. I am so happy that this video is just over 5 minutes long because, any more of this confusion, I could surely expire 😢 Obviously, I jest and I really enjoyed this video. Well done, Paul 👍 👏
Ah ah, sure this can be a bit confusing. I remember having terrible doubts when encountering comparable situations when riding a late evening Eurostar high-speed train between Paris and London and entering the tunnel by the "wrong" portal, the one on the right instead of the left one, then later crossing over to the left tunnel deep under the sea. That usually happens when maintenance is done in one of the tunnels' sections, so they open the giant doors of the huge "crossover cathedrals" to let trains switch from one tunnel to the other. This here is pretty much the same principle, it's just using one tunnel section in both directions, on the shortest length possible to minimize service disruption, while the corresponding tunnel section on the other side is probably being maintained. Though indications on the screens, in Barangaroo, which said that the train approaching goes to Barangaroo, were quite confusing. They should change that and indicate what the train will actually do.
Why was the train terminating at Barangaroo when it went on to Victoria Cross? You had on no problems getting on. Maybe people from the inner west just aren't allowed on the North Shore.
As an American, it's very strange for me seeing a train tunnel with that much light in it. Ours typically have the absolute bare minimum amount of light to be able to see at all.
Vancouver Canada has a section of three stations going single track while a major rail junction is being rearranged for a new maintenance yard being built. A few kilometres between the next available switch crossovers 12 minutes apart.
This is an exciting video, I saw these services and wondered if anyone would go to film it, certainly didn’t expect you to Paul! Looking forward to watch this a little later (assuming it’s those Victoria cross/Barangaroo services that ran a week or so ago).
Wonderful! This reminds me of the "wrong tunnel" runs and deep underwater tunnel switches via the "crossover cathedrals" in the Channel tunnel between Paris and London. Sometimes, when there were maintenance works in certain parts of one tunnel happening at night and a section of one tunnel was subsequently closed, you could encounter this situation when riding a late departure service and your train would switch from one tunnel to the other mid journey, or would enter by the "wrong portal" before switching back to the normal tunnel. Or ride most of the crossing on the normal tunnel and run the last section of the other one, exiting via the other tunnel entrance. If I recall correctly, each tunnel of the Channel tunnel is divided into 3 sections. There's a North tunnel and a South tunnel, let's name them N and S. You would enter the tunnel and run section N1, then crossover to section S2, then crossover again back to the usual tunnel in section N3. Or enter the other tunnel and run section S1 before crossing to the usual tunnel and continue the journey through sections N2 & N3. After the major fire in one tunnel several years ago, and after reopening, the trains had to use a combination of both tunnels for quite some time while they worked to fully repair the damaged tunnel section. They always try to close only one section when maintenance needs to be done, in order to avoid impacting capacity too much. It's, of course, usually done at night. That's because even if the high-speed Eurostar services don't run at late night, the other services for cars, trucks, and freight do run 24 hours a day. How much was the service reduced by this alternative routing? What was the service frequency? How many crossovers are there on the currently open Sydney Metro? Great video, as always! Greetings from Paris.
I believe there are currently 3 crossovers on the new Chatswood - Sydenham section, at Chatswood, Barangaroo, and Sydenham. On the old ECRL section, there's 3 one way crossovers, between Chatswood and North Ryde, after Macquarie Park, and before Epping. Then the Northwest section has another 3, two way ones: at Castle Hill, between Kellyville and Bella Vista, and Tallawong.
Yes I remember that fire in the Eurostar Tunnel, and how that affected services. Great to hear that you're watching my videos from Paris. The new City Section has crossovers at Sydenham, Barangaroo and Chatswood only. It was every 10 mins, the usual evening peak frequency, and that was quite doable on a single track. The northbound train would wait at Barangaroo for the southbound train to arrive, before departing and taking the crossover.
@@KyrilPG The Epping-Chatswood Rail Link, a rail tunnel connecting the Northern Line at Epping with the North Shore Line at Chatswood, via Macquarie Park. Was used for passenger heavy rail for about a decade, before being converted to metro as part of the original Metro North-West route.
I didn't even know Sydney had a Metro. I haven't been since 2001 though when they still had the short loop monorail. I love the Paris Metro with its various stock and dimly lit tunnels.
Very interesting. I have not seen Sydney metro before, only videos of the trams and the trains. This is a very modern metro. I noticed an overhead wire, but also a 3rd rail.
Back in 1977 the Washington Metro in the USA did this for several months after the opening second segment of the system as the interlocking used to change the direction of trains beyond the Stadium-Armory station was not ready normal operations. During that period trains were crossed over at Eastern Market and doubled back from Stadium-Armory on the same track.
Hi Paul, Wow!! Talk about exciting!!! Riding the Metro, running in reverse at 80kph along a possibly haunted line under Sydney Harbour. You are certainly a braver man than me for sure. I am getting a bit anxious just watching this video!! LOL.Did they even know that you were on the Metro, as all the other passengers had got out from what i could tell? And yes, I do have to ask, did you survive the trip or will I need to call in the search parties to dredge Sydney Harbour??? Seriously though, that must be one of your most exciting videos for sure. Absolutely awesome!!! It reminds me a bit of when I rode one of the test trains running on the Eastern Suburbs train line through underground Redfern, which then had not been opened and was in pitch darkness. I was the only passenger as the guard let me take a ride. Anyway, take care. Rob in Melbourne Australia.
Hey Paul, awesome video! Very different than normal metro services! Just wondering if there was any update on your final CRR video and possibly a Brisbane Metro video since both projects have reached significant milestones! Thanks, great vids!
When the Melbourne Underground Loop opened in the late ‘70s it was stated that the wooden Tait trains won’t run through The Loop, but in the first week some Taits did run through The Loop and I rode on one. Basically trains were assigned randomly. Another wrong routing was that The Loop changed directions at noon and the next train was an L class electric loco and a load of bricquettes. I wonder if the odd bricquette could be still found in The Loop today? The train would have to stop at every station and would have ended up at at Spencer Street station facing the wrong direction. I wonder how long it would have taken Control to figure that one?
Water leaks in between the precast concrete tube sections from the harbour above but these cracks are resealed often. It’s normal for a tunnel constructed with concrete tube segments to have water seepage.
Very interesting maneuver indeed. Wonder why the PIDs weren’t saying Victoria Cross? I was on the metro yesterday evening when it was terminating at Epping. It switched tracks just before pulling into Epping station.
How cool! Usually, they keep the Washington D.C. metro tunnels dark, so passengers don't see that much detail. Were the tunnels on the Sydney metro lit for the track work, or are they always like that?
Every time I've caught the Metro it's been lit up. The same goes for the old City Circle Line under the CBD (Downtown). There is at least 1 video on UA-cam of a Sydney City Circle drivers view if you want to check it out. I assume it's for safety.
They are kept lit, I assume in case of emergency evacuations. The best spot on the train is at the front to watch it weave and snake through the tunnel.
I'm wondering if that is a new "best practice" thing because here in Paris, the new tunnels are also kept lit. Like the 8km of tunnels of RER E's Western extension are now always lit, especially the walkway on the side. Same for the Northern and Southern extensions of M14, which are also quite lit compared to the older sections which are quite dark (sure, the tunnel being new, it's whiter than the older parts that have darkened since the late 90's, but it's more than just dirt shade differences, it's actually clearly more lit). A couple months ago, I asked a station attendant about the lit RER E Western extension tunnel, and she told me that's their new policy to keep new tunnels fairly lit. Though, if it's a new international best practice or not, I do not know, but it would be a fairly logical assumption, wouldn't it?
Hi, Paul, thanks for this queer little run in the other tunnel from Barangaroo. I do have stuff coming soon. By the way, I thought I noticed some windscreen wipers on a metro the other day on a friend's video?? Are they on the newer models? Would love to have windscreen wipers especially on wet days!
did some wrong tunnel running last week with a shuttle train going both directions between cherrybrook p1 and epping p5. it made no sense to have trains in both directions using these platforms so i guess the fault was in the westbound tunnel.
@MarkGovern I remember walking through the Sydney Harbour Tunnel before it opened to traffic and there was seepages everywhere and what looked like Spakfilla.
Hope so. I was like every wheel had a flat spot when I went from Crows Nest to Central. The wheels were also very noisy approaching Martin Place...could not hear the onboard announcements.
@@DMack6464 good its not just me then. been overseas for 3 months and since coming back ive noticed most of the metro trains shaking side to side quite violently. happens on the new city segments and old ecrl segments. thought maybe i was imagining things and it was always like that but guess not.
@iris4547 my theory is since the entire track bed is new, it's still kinda squishy and the train movement is enough to cause kinks in the track These are all official technical terms btw
What is this rubbish ! Traveling on the wrong side of the track ? Never would have happened if Sir Robin Askin were still in charge ! Great video (again) Paul keep them coming ...
Is the tunnel on the Bay bed or under the bay bed? That is, the tunnel is sitting on the bottom of the Bay, or under the surface of the Bay? In San Francisco, CA Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) does have the same condition where after the train leaves the West Oakland station, there is about an 8 minute ride in a tunnel that sits one the bed of San Francisco Bay, and you will end up at the west side at Embarcadero station in San Francisco. Thanks for the info!
This is particularly galling since that extra stop is a huge distance away, across the water. If I had gotten off the train to transfer to another mode to get to the actual destination, and then found out that I could have stayed on board, I would be upset! I wonder if the passenger information systems are too tightly coupled to the switching/routing, so that the train not travelling the “correct” tracks* onward meant that the PIS had to assume it was exiting service. That would surprise me-you’re going to have to single-track from time to time no matter what, so it wouldn’t make sense to have that restriction baked into the control systems. * Of course, the system operates on the wrong-side tracks most of the time, and this journey was one of the rare cases where the train operated on the correct track.
I did speak to one of the MTS guys, and they said that the PIS are very flexible, and should be able to display Vic Cross as the terminating destination. I think its just a learning curve, so hopefully the passenger information will be better next time.
I was there that night. Trying to go from Gadigal to Victoria Cross. The first train showed indicator boards for Barangaroo. I didn’t get on. As it left, I asked an attendant on the station when would be a train to Victoria Cross. He said “that one, just leaving now”. “But it is only showing to Barangaroo” I said. “Yes, there is something wrong with the indicator system tonight and we can only show Barangaroo as destination”, he said. “Why didn’t you make an announcement that it was going to Victoria Cross?” I asked. He said “You must have missed it”. So I had to wait about 15 minutes for the next northbound train. It also showed destination on indicator boards (platform and inside train) as Barangaroo. No announcement was made. I asked the attendant if it was also going to Victoria Cross. He said “yes”. There were 5 Metro attendants standing around chatting to each other on Gadigal platform. None made any attempt to tell passengers the train was ongoing beyond Barangaroo. I got on the second train, and it went to Victoria Cross, just like the video. I asked the concourse attendant at Victoria Cross why the indicator signage was all wrong. He said there was something wrong with the information system, and they were hoping it would be fixed for the next night. It seemed like the system design never contemplated the option of a termination and turn around at Victoria Cross. There were no correcting announcements, and the platform staff were completely useless.
Hi Paul, interesting and good to they are using what they built But why ? Where they just check procedures so they are ready in case of a problem or were they doing maintenance in the other tunnel ?
Dear sir thanks for your video. But I didn't found unusual in it. 80 kmph is usual and BI directions is normal for Great Railway for cost effective infrastructure.. Loco pilot takes full Competency before DIM pass out. After he wants developers his skills for Safe and Sharp times. See also Operations manual. How do you apply EXPERIENCE, SKILLS AND Marketing to field. Thanks.
You can't terminate the train at Barangaroo Station because the crossover occurs after the station and doesn't occur at Victoria Cross. So, in order to terminate at Victoria Cross, you need to run it down the wrong tunnel. Now, it was because buses were replacing trains at Victoria Cross right? So, the reason you could do this, is if every second train runs down one side and the other down the other. So probably the next train probably went down the left side whilst your train was stopping at the right hand side platform.
Yes it was because buses were replacing trains at Vic Cross. All trains ran through the southbound tunnel in both directions. The train at Barangaroo going north would wait for the southbound train from Vic cross to come into platform 1 before departing.
@TransportVlog that doesn't make sense that all trains would run through the same tunnel. I think perhaps they would be alternating. Often a train line terminates at a 2 platform station and they alternate. If they don't alternate, it means the frequency of trains would have to reduce because the next train would have to wait for the previous to come back.
I love how you can stand at the front and see everything that you normally couldn't see easily
The front seats on the CPH railmotors were much sought after for the same reason. I was able to "bag" these seats a few times when I was a schoolboy - great fun!
its cool
I like to sit on the seats near the front/back and still trips me out no ones driving especially when its taking a corner pretty fast, hopefully we dont have to wait too long for the completition of line to bankstown and hopefully a new suburbian metro will be annouced/started soon would be nice if it was in the south of the city
Isn't it the best!!!! 😊
Favourite seat in an Adelaide Red Hen when I was a kid :)
Wow! A spotlessly-clean subway tunnel with no trash, no rats, almost no moisture! This video was worth watching just to see that. Thank you.
Totally the opposite to that of the NYC subway.
@@Bassotronics
Likewise, London.
YEah, the "world calss" US transport system is beyond world class, more like worst on the planet... Ever watched videos of Swiss trains?...
@@danielthommen8243Yeah comparing a subway system with national rail makes a lot of sense.
Possibly a rust run.
On the legacy Sydney Trains network, a train must travel every piece of track at least once every 72 hours to keep it certified. Known as a "rail clean" or a rust run because the primary reason was that the train would clear the rust from the rails to allow reliable track circuit operation.
Late at night you'll see Sydney Trains and NSW Trains services using crossovers and loops they don't usually use. Sometimes it even happens in peak, a V set skip stopper in the afternoon usually runs through the relief line at Valley Heights.
I don't know if Metro uses track circuits - I suspect it might not, but rust runs would still be useful to keep points certified.
Sydney metro does have to do that, but that's not why this arrangement happened. It was due to trackwork
@@raph6931 no cross over in Victoria Cross, so have to pre-cross to the other side?
@@Woodland26 the only crossovers between Chatswood and Sydenham are at Barangaroo
@@nadnerb2k So rust run is nothing to do with the water drips in the video?
Sydney metro doesn't use track circuits for train detection. Axle counters are used at points (for crossovers or turnouts). If you look at train cab videos in high resolution you can see them at tallawong, chatswood and sydenham.
That is commitment to be there that late to record this movement! This video is worth giving a ‘Like’ too!
Yes it is! - I was actually on my way home from dinner with friends!
1:11 The sound those trains make as they accelerate always reminds me of the starship USS Enterprise's warp speed engines from Star Trek (original Series).
Reminds me of the MTR in Hong Kong. The sound is exactly the same. Yes I know MTR is heavily involved in Metro.
In Vancouver Canada after a recent track grind I was thinking the same thing. Our oldest 1985 cars on the Skytrain network sounded like the 1960’s Starship Enterprise going to warp.
Next video: What happens when a transport vlogger gets locked in a metro overnight?😊
Now that would be an interesting video!
Will never happen, too many checks and balances occur
@@darren4852Said every safety officer ever.
"in the dark" made me chuckle a bit at the entire tunnel being lit up like a football stadium during a finale.
Hi there, I'm from Malaysia and our metro trains use CBTC signalling too. It certainly gives us a lot of flexibility when bad things happen such as a train breakdown or a signalling fault. For example, if there is a breakdown somewhere, we could turn trains around where there are sidings and run single-line shuttle trains along the other unblocked line.
That’s right. CBTC is super flexible. Great to hear that you’re watching my videos from Malaysia!
Brillant video ty for making it
I took this late night service to Victoria Cross last week on Tuesday and Wednesday. A bit shambolic, in truth, when it came to the customer-facing side of it. The trackwork notification advertised trains would go as far as VC but there were no platform indicators showing any destination at all at Gadigal, and the station's control room announcements inaudible because they were turned up too loud. Once inside, the trains' displays said only Barangaroo. The on-board announcements from the control room again inaudible. People tried to get some clarity from platform staff when the train arrived at Barangaroo, and were assured it would go to Victoria Cross. Then at Victoria Cross staff had to check literally with each passenger before the train reversed direction, as about half of the passengers had no idea they had to alight for a replacement bus to Mac Uni where another train awaited. They did this operation four nights in a row and still didn't get the passenger info displays fixed. They need some PID templates to cover these type of arrangements. Then on Sunday, very frustratingly, there was trackwork that closed the Epping-Tallawong section from the highly unusual time of 17:15, maintenance that hadn't appeared on the weekly trackwork poster.
Yes it was pretty poor on the passenger information front. I did this on Tuesday and it was very poor. By Thursday, it was better, but still could be much improved greatly.
Oh, Paul 😮 just when I was feeling reasonably comfortable with the Metro, you take us on a journey that confuses this old fossil. We travel on the south line to go north, and the north line somehow goes in both directions. We have signals that are not signals while signalling the direction of travel to absolutely nobody into a watertight underharbour tunnel that is leaking profusely. The train is announced that it terminates at Barangaroo but continues to Victoria Cross. I NEED a SEDATIVE AND A NAP after this video 😂. I am so happy that this video is just over 5 minutes long because, any more of this confusion, I could surely expire 😢
Obviously, I jest and I really enjoyed this video. Well done, Paul 👍 👏
Ah ah, sure this can be a bit confusing.
I remember having terrible doubts when encountering comparable situations when riding a late evening Eurostar high-speed train between Paris and London and entering the tunnel by the "wrong" portal, the one on the right instead of the left one, then later crossing over to the left tunnel deep under the sea.
That usually happens when maintenance is done in one of the tunnels' sections, so they open the giant doors of the huge "crossover cathedrals" to let trains switch from one tunnel to the other.
This here is pretty much the same principle, it's just using one tunnel section in both directions, on the shortest length possible to minimize service disruption, while the corresponding tunnel section on the other side is probably being maintained.
Though indications on the screens, in Barangaroo, which said that the train approaching goes to Barangaroo, were quite confusing. They should change that and indicate what the train will actually do.
Well done Aussie John... you explained my anxiety perfectly
@donttalkcrap I am very happy that I am not alone. 👍
lol
Hi John, glad you enjoyed this video and saw the funny side!
Why was the train terminating at Barangaroo when it went on to Victoria Cross? You had on no problems getting on. Maybe people from the inner west just aren't allowed on the North Shore.
Nice catch Paul! Would have loved to catch such a service.
Thanks Adam,, Yes it was fun!
Thank you, as always, Paul. Love your work 😊.
Love your work, Paul. ❤
Awesome video Thanks!
Haven't been to Sydney for years, must go and look at all the new stations👍
As an American, it's very strange for me seeing a train tunnel with that much light in it. Ours typically have the absolute bare minimum amount of light to be able to see at all.
Vancouver Canada has a section of three stations going single track while a major rail junction is being rearranged for a new maintenance yard being built. A few kilometres between the next available switch crossovers 12 minutes apart.
Nice one Paul!
That's quite cool and unusual. Thanks for sharing!
Great train Video
This is an exciting video, I saw these services and wondered if anyone would go to film it, certainly didn’t expect you to Paul! Looking forward to watch this a little later (assuming it’s those Victoria cross/Barangaroo services that ran a week or so ago).
It was a very spontaneously video, and its been a while since I've done a video like this. Yes it was last week - Thursday 14th to be precise.
Wonderful!
This reminds me of the "wrong tunnel" runs and deep underwater tunnel switches via the "crossover cathedrals" in the Channel tunnel between Paris and London.
Sometimes, when there were maintenance works in certain parts of one tunnel happening at night and a section of one tunnel was subsequently closed, you could encounter this situation when riding a late departure service and your train would switch from one tunnel to the other mid journey, or would enter by the "wrong portal" before switching back to the normal tunnel. Or ride most of the crossing on the normal tunnel and run the last section of the other one, exiting via the other tunnel entrance.
If I recall correctly, each tunnel of the Channel tunnel is divided into 3 sections.
There's a North tunnel and a South tunnel, let's name them N and S. You would enter the tunnel and run section N1, then crossover to section S2, then crossover again back to the usual tunnel in section N3.
Or enter the other tunnel and run section S1 before crossing to the usual tunnel and continue the journey through sections N2 & N3.
After the major fire in one tunnel several years ago, and after reopening, the trains had to use a combination of both tunnels for quite some time while they worked to fully repair the damaged tunnel section.
They always try to close only one section when maintenance needs to be done, in order to avoid impacting capacity too much. It's, of course, usually done at night.
That's because even if the high-speed Eurostar services don't run at late night, the other services for cars, trucks, and freight do run 24 hours a day.
How much was the service reduced by this alternative routing? What was the service frequency?
How many crossovers are there on the currently open Sydney Metro?
Great video, as always!
Greetings from Paris.
I believe there are currently 3 crossovers on the new Chatswood - Sydenham section, at Chatswood, Barangaroo, and Sydenham. On the old ECRL section, there's 3 one way crossovers, between Chatswood and North Ryde, after Macquarie Park, and before Epping. Then the Northwest section has another 3, two way ones: at Castle Hill, between Kellyville and Bella Vista, and Tallawong.
@@CMurdoch-n3t Thanks a lot! But what is the ECRL section?
@@KyrilPG Epping Chatswood rail link. it was built as a regular train service and became part of the metro.
Yes I remember that fire in the Eurostar Tunnel, and how that affected services. Great to hear that you're watching my videos from Paris. The new City Section has crossovers at Sydenham, Barangaroo and Chatswood only. It was every 10 mins, the usual evening peak frequency, and that was quite doable on a single track. The northbound train would wait at Barangaroo for the southbound train to arrive, before departing and taking the crossover.
@@KyrilPG The Epping-Chatswood Rail Link, a rail tunnel connecting the Northern Line at Epping with the North Shore Line at Chatswood, via Macquarie Park. Was used for passenger heavy rail for about a decade, before being converted to metro as part of the original Metro North-West route.
I didn't even know Sydney had a Metro. I haven't been since 2001 though when they still had the short loop monorail. I love the Paris Metro with its various stock and dimly lit tunnels.
Very interesting. I have not seen Sydney metro before, only videos of the trams and the trains. This is a very modern metro. I noticed an overhead wire, but also a 3rd rail.
So clean and beautiful compared to the NYC subways.
Back in 1977 the Washington Metro in the USA did this for several months after the opening second segment of the system as the interlocking used to change the direction of trains beyond the Stadium-Armory station was not ready normal operations. During that period trains were crossed over at Eastern Market and doubled back from Stadium-Armory on the same track.
Nice thanks Paul.🍺
Hi Paul, Wow!! Talk about exciting!!! Riding the Metro, running in reverse at 80kph along a possibly haunted line under Sydney Harbour. You are certainly a braver man than me for sure. I am getting a bit anxious just watching this video!! LOL.Did they even know that you were on the Metro, as all the other passengers had got out from what i could tell? And yes, I do have to ask, did you survive the trip or will I need to call in the search parties to dredge Sydney Harbour??? Seriously though, that must be one of your most exciting videos for sure. Absolutely awesome!!! It reminds me a bit of when I rode one of the test trains running on the Eastern Suburbs train line through underground Redfern, which then had not been opened and was in pitch darkness. I was the only passenger as the guard let me take a ride. Anyway, take care. Rob in Melbourne Australia.
Hey Paul, awesome video! Very different than normal metro services! Just wondering if there was any update on your final CRR video and possibly a Brisbane Metro video since both projects have reached significant milestones! Thanks, great vids!
Hi David, yes Will definitely do CRR part 3 next year. Not sure about Brisbane Metro.
Good stuff, Paul. The Metro was terminating at Epping on Sunday night (17th). Cheers
Yes I heard. I think trains were using the crossover south of Epping Station to switch tracks.
When the Melbourne Underground Loop opened in the late ‘70s it was stated that the wooden Tait trains won’t run through The Loop, but in the first week some Taits did run through The Loop and I rode on one. Basically trains were assigned randomly. Another wrong routing was that The Loop changed directions at noon and the next train was an L class electric loco and a load of bricquettes. I wonder if the odd bricquette could be still found in The Loop today? The train would have to stop at every station and would have ended up at at Spencer Street station facing the wrong direction. I wonder how long it would have taken Control to figure that one?
is the dripping water inside the harbour tunnel normal?
Yep and if water wasn’t dripping in I would be worried. Tunnels are meant to leak a bit.
Water leaks in between the precast concrete tube sections from the harbour above but these cracks are resealed often. It’s normal for a tunnel constructed with concrete tube segments to have water seepage.
@@Woodland26 Should someone get off at Gadigal and run to the local city hardware store and get some Spakfilla rapid or Spakfilla heavy duty then?
@@dulcinealee3933 no those filla is not waterproof. I would be tempted to use heavy duty sealant ;-)
@@jeffreyborg Worried about what?
Turnback service back to Sydenham and then park the Metropolis Car sets at Sydenham Yard. That's is how it's done Gentleman 😊
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That is something i have never seen before...
Talk about a well lit subway tunnel.
I can't wait to start my train driver traineeship next year
Very interesting maneuver indeed. Wonder why the PIDs weren’t saying Victoria Cross?
I was on the metro yesterday evening when it was terminating at Epping. It switched tracks just before pulling into Epping station.
How cool!
Usually, they keep the Washington D.C. metro tunnels dark, so passengers don't see that much detail. Were the tunnels on the Sydney metro lit for the track work, or are they always like that?
Every time I've caught the Metro it's been lit up. The same goes for the old City Circle Line under the CBD (Downtown). There is at least 1 video on UA-cam of a Sydney City Circle drivers view if you want to check it out. I assume it's for safety.
They are kept lit, I assume in case of emergency evacuations.
The best spot on the train is at the front to watch it weave and snake through the tunnel.
@@daveg2104 That is truly excellent. Thanks for answering my question!
@nomadtales Count me a bit green with envy-- that sounds like such a wonderful situation. Thanks for answering my question!
I'm wondering if that is a new "best practice" thing because here in Paris, the new tunnels are also kept lit.
Like the 8km of tunnels of RER E's Western extension are now always lit, especially the walkway on the side.
Same for the Northern and Southern extensions of M14, which are also quite lit compared to the older sections which are quite dark (sure, the tunnel being new, it's whiter than the older parts that have darkened since the late 90's, but it's more than just dirt shade differences, it's actually clearly more lit).
A couple months ago, I asked a station attendant about the lit RER E Western extension tunnel, and she told me that's their new policy to keep new tunnels fairly lit.
Though, if it's a new international best practice or not, I do not know, but it would be a fairly logical assumption, wouldn't it?
Yesterday (17th) at 5pm M1 terminated at Epping from the City
I wonder if you could have limited stops from Tallawong to Sydenham
Hi Paul, found out wipers on Metros are on the side windows. Metro guy agreed they should be on the front, either, or?
Extra-like for the OMD pun 🎉
Yep, I'm a big OMD Fan - will be seeing them live on 15th Feb next year!
i enjoyed that. interesting how it works.
Hi, Paul, thanks for this queer little run in the other tunnel from Barangaroo. I do have stuff coming soon. By the way, I thought I noticed some windscreen wipers on a metro the other day on a friend's video?? Are they on the newer models? Would love to have windscreen wipers especially on wet days!
If Geoff, the older and newer trains are identical. I’ll keep a look out for windscreen wipers when I’m next on the metro.
did some wrong tunnel running last week with a shuttle train going both directions between cherrybrook p1 and epping p5. it made no sense to have trains in both directions using these platforms so i guess the fault was in the westbound tunnel.
Interesting!
Like this one
interesting video. Any chance of a signal malfunction? And was there water dripping in the video?
Its seepage from the harbour above.
@MarkGovern I remember walking through the Sydney Harbour Tunnel before it opened to traffic and there was seepages everywhere and what looked like Spakfilla.
When it comes to Victoria Cross. It reminds of the ECRL line between Epping and North ryde
Is the trackwork fixing the vibration during travel?
Hope so. I was like every wheel had a flat spot when I went from Crows Nest to Central. The wheels were also very noisy approaching Martin Place...could not hear the onboard announcements.
@flamingfrancis for me it was side-to-side movement on straight sections of track
@@DMack6464 good its not just me then. been overseas for 3 months and since coming back ive noticed most of the metro trains shaking side to side quite violently. happens on the new city segments and old ecrl segments. thought maybe i was imagining things and it was always like that but guess not.
@iris4547 my theory is since the entire track bed is new, it's still kinda squishy and the train movement is enough to cause kinks in the track
These are all official technical terms btw
What is this rubbish ! Traveling on the wrong side of the track ? Never would have happened if Sir Robin Askin were still in charge ! Great video (again) Paul keep them coming ...
Where the cab to drive? How drives the trains?
I've never seen a barangaroo.
Is the tunnel on the Bay bed or under the bay bed? That is, the tunnel is sitting on the bottom of the Bay, or under the surface of the Bay? In San Francisco, CA Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) does have the same condition where after the train leaves the West Oakland station, there is about an 8 minute ride in a tunnel that sits one the bed of San Francisco Bay, and you will end up at the west side at Embarcadero station in San Francisco. Thanks for the info!
It will be several metres below the harbour, so the TBM will be boring through rock.
@ Tanks for the info!
interesting that it works like that.
I find it odd they would "terminate" the train at Barangaroo. If it's going to Sydney Harbour, why not declare that it's terminating there?
This is particularly galling since that extra stop is a huge distance away, across the water. If I had gotten off the train to transfer to another mode to get to the actual destination, and then found out that I could have stayed on board, I would be upset!
I wonder if the passenger information systems are too tightly coupled to the switching/routing, so that the train not travelling the “correct” tracks* onward meant that the PIS had to assume it was exiting service. That would surprise me-you’re going to have to single-track from time to time no matter what, so it wouldn’t make sense to have that restriction baked into the control systems.
* Of course, the system operates on the wrong-side tracks most of the time, and this journey was one of the rare cases where the train operated on the correct track.
I did speak to one of the MTS guys, and they said that the PIS are very flexible, and should be able to display Vic Cross as the terminating destination. I think its just a learning curve, so hopefully the passenger information will be better next time.
I was there that night. Trying to go from Gadigal to Victoria Cross. The first train showed indicator boards for Barangaroo. I didn’t get on.
As it left, I asked an attendant on the station when would be a train to Victoria Cross. He said “that one, just leaving now”.
“But it is only showing to Barangaroo” I said. “Yes, there is something wrong with the indicator system tonight and we can only show Barangaroo as destination”, he said.
“Why didn’t you make an announcement that it was going to Victoria Cross?” I asked. He said “You must have missed it”.
So I had to wait about 15 minutes for the next northbound train. It also showed destination on indicator boards (platform and inside train) as Barangaroo. No announcement was made. I asked the attendant if it was also going to Victoria Cross. He said “yes”.
There were 5 Metro attendants standing around chatting to each other on Gadigal platform. None made any attempt to tell passengers the train was ongoing beyond Barangaroo.
I got on the second train, and it went to Victoria Cross, just like the video.
I asked the concourse attendant at Victoria Cross why the indicator signage was all wrong. He said there was something wrong with the information system, and they were hoping it would be fixed for the next night.
It seemed like the system design never contemplated the option of a termination and turn around at Victoria Cross.
There were no correcting announcements, and the platform staff were completely useless.
Wonder what happened yesterday(sunday night) when trains terminated at epping
Hi Paul, interesting and good to they are using what they built But why ? Where they just check procedures so they are ready in case of a problem or were they doing maintenance in the other tunnel ?
Hi Paul, yes there was planned maintenance between Vic Cross and Macquarie Park.
wait, so how did he not get kicked off the train?
Maybe he hid under a seat
Nuh I’ve been watching your videos for a while but somehow only realised how British you sound did you grow up in England?
Yes that's right. Born in New Zealand, but grew up in the north of England, hence the accent!
I don't see any difference between the Australian and Chinese metro. Did the Chinese build in Australia?
did you use night vision or something? That's definately wort seeing!
No the tunnels are just lit up
Dear sir thanks for your video. But I didn't found unusual in it. 80 kmph is usual and BI directions is normal for Great Railway for cost effective
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Thanks.
Why did it happen and did it skip any stations?
Trackwork between Vic Cross and Macquarie Park. Even though, the display said “limited stops’, it stopped at all stations.
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Hold on why didn’t it turn back? What’s going on. It kept going to Victoria cross why is this?
So... what was the purpose of their doing this sort of maneuver?
Track work i think
Please tell me the video title took inspiration from Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark (famous for the song "Enola Gay")? 😂
Yes it did! OMD are one of my favourite bands! They’re coming to Australia next year!
@@TransportVlogthis is one of the reasons why I clicked on this video, greetings from Spain
The lighting was bright enough to grow tomatoes down there, where's the crazy maneuver in the dark come in🤷🏻
Why is it so?
Trains are thebest
Why?
Eww driverless trains
You can't terminate the train at Barangaroo Station because the crossover occurs after the station and doesn't occur at Victoria Cross. So, in order to terminate at Victoria Cross, you need to run it down the wrong tunnel. Now, it was because buses were replacing trains at Victoria Cross right? So, the reason you could do this, is if every second train runs down one side and the other down the other. So probably the next train probably went down the left side whilst your train was stopping at the right hand side platform.
Yes it was because buses were replacing trains at Vic Cross. All trains ran through the southbound tunnel in both directions. The train at Barangaroo going north would wait for the southbound train from Vic cross to come into platform 1 before departing.
@TransportVlog that doesn't make sense that all trains would run through the same tunnel. I think perhaps they would be alternating. Often a train line terminates at a 2 platform station and they alternate. If they don't alternate, it means the frequency of trains would have to reduce because the next train would have to wait for the previous to come back.
Automated trains are amazing, now move on, automate the service management and routing... destination confusion was of human doing, most probably.
what will happen if the system gets skynet and becomes self aware and tries to attack Sarah Connor
empty world underground
shat was the reason?
Doubt it. William Shatner has almost no influence on Australian mass transit operations.
The platform announcements sound like the embarrassing Aunt trying to sound cool and hip in front of the kids!
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