Star Trek was at SDCC 2024 with every series from Star Trek Discovery, Strange New Worlds, Section 31 and a new live action comedy show. But every time the panels and trailers opened their mouths, they proved that they knew nothing about Star Trek. Occasionally they can repeat things they've heard about the series, but they do not understand the ideas. Often the statements prove they cannot even comprehend these ideas, it's all about them, and putting themselves in the universe. After Star Trek Discovery I had expected Star Trek to die out as too expensive for a bankrupt Paramount. But the opposite has happened, with multiple spin off movies and series, they're doubling down on Alex Kurtzman and failure. At this point the main question is how long can they continue this path? What do you think? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
In a society were people are ever more self centered they cannot fathom a world beyond their own limitations ... i would say it can only be worse. I can't wait for when they eventually create a ST spin off without stars and very little trekking beyond one's sofa to get to the remote 😢
Michelle Yeoh didn't even show? WTF!!!! How many showed up in Hall H for this?? All I heard from this even would be a Cross to Dracula for a lifelong Trekkie. Paramount has welcomed leaches into their IP and their so disconnected from those IP's they've been drawn and quartered on their own accord.
7:55: Incidentally, what this person is describing here is called 'social plasticity.' We all present different faces to the world. People don't behave with their lover they way they do their friends, their boss, their parents, their priest. Everyone knows the dirty jokes from the Saturday night out with the gang wouldn't fly over the Sunday dinner table with the folks. This is simply how we navigate the world around us and socially interact with other people. To tell someone that all those selves are a lie and only the person you are when you're by yourself is the 'true' one... is f'king _INSANE_
Unfortunately, there's no source higher than the broadcast 480i videos. All the digital effects were done for 480i too. That means every single effect would have to be redone by hand. DS9 (and later TNG episodes, along with Babylon 5) pioneered TV digital effects. Downside is, there were only down for the, then current, resolutions. I should also add that there are a couple really good AI upscaling projects for DS9. The 1080p version came out years ago and looks really good. I think the 4K project is still ongoing.
@@TheSolidSnakeOil That's our fault, apparently. Because TNG didn't sell as well as they thought it would (after redoing all of the special effects for it and bring it to HD whilst still in 4:3 scale), so they scrapped plans for DS9 and Voyager. It is indeed tragic.
@@robl7532yeah DS9 isn’t as great as people remember it to be. The first 4 seasons were very meh, they had to bring in worf remember? It wasn’t until they had large dominion war arcs and tng ending before people began to watch ds9. And Voyager is crap all around.
Kurtzman promised the fans star trek and delivered a parody. McFarland promised the fans a parody and actually delivered Star Trek. The irony is he did such an outstanding job of creating star trek that the orville was canceled after three seasons.
@@darthmeow1370 Wow, I just heard it from you first and immediately had to check to see if it was true - and it is! You just made my night a lot better. Orville is the real Trek now.
That was a really good show. I liked how it wasn't they've already been in space 150yrs or more & it's all been built up _for_ them. Enterprise was all abou the building....from linguistics to technology through formulating and creating the Federation. Nothing was "handed" to them, _they_ built it.
@@michaelminervini1908 Even the Zindi story arc was tightly knit & the idea of 4 distinct variations of the same species was ground breaking, at least to me, and I don't think anyone else has ever done that before or since.
I think I would be less offended by it all if they acknowledged what they are feeding us. But no. "It's not shit!! Guys... look-- it's really chocolate."
"How has everything become so toxic?" Because the studios decided they hated the customers. "It used to be if you were a fan of Star Trek, you liked Star Trek." This isn't Star Trek. I have a question: How can these people be so out-of-touch?
They were people who hated Star Trek and looked down on the "nerds" who loved it. Now they run it and don't get why people aren't responding well to their disdain of the thing so many loved.
@@guusvansprang5673 Meh, take away the fan service and the story sounded meh. Also, Patrick Steward, Martina Sirtis, Johnathon Frakes, Levar Burton and Will Wheaton have forever destroyed TNG for me with their Pukehard and social media antics. I can't bear to see them in anything. Peak Trek? I think not. Also, that peak Trek helped Kurtzman IMMENSELY in getting more of his sh1t made.
Making Section 31 members the heroes of your show demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what Section 31 is. Nobody doing this should be running the show. It's like making a Lord of the Rings show where the Nazgul are the good guys and hang out in the local bar after each episode for a beer.
@@zqxzqxzqx1 Or do you? Great Britain has MI5. Russia had the KGB. The US has CIA. Israel has their Mossad. "Good people doing very bad things for their country?" There are writers that have given us loads of spy based books and movies. However they haven't been comedies. IF you are going to have a show or movie about Section 31 it most certainly should not be done as "funny".
I believe when they were introduced in both DS9 and ENT they were classified as both a subgroup of Starfleet Intelligence and operated in the "darkness no one else dared" because as Harris says in Season 4 during the Augment arc; "read the charter again...Section 31, it calls for extraordinary means" while speaking to Archer. Sloane never calls his people the "good guys" but the ones who get thier hands dirty to protect the utopia of the Federation's ideals and refers to their existence as "a necessary evil." The only reason S31 is interesting is because they're the antithesis of what Starfleet and the Federation represent; peace, unity, co-existence, and compassion, but making them the "heroes" would essentially be rewriting Star Trek canon and turning the Borg into the "good guys" while the Federation are made the "bad guys"
I started watching the original star trek and I keep marveling at how professional everyone is. In today's shows, everyone is snarky, disrespectful and emotionally incontinent. Love the old stuff.
@@user-kc2fu8iw3v The term "functional adults" might be debatable. It was also a time, were a lot of thing didn't get talked about and people buried their problems inside themself in order to LOOK like "functional adults". One of the reasons why some level of Alcoholism or punching people was so much more acceptable. Now, Some folks have clearly gone overboard in the opposite direction these today, but people were hardly perfect back then.
The old stuff was like watching a military/scientific group exploring the galaxy. Anyone disrespectful of an officer would rightly be seeing the inside of the brig.
I'm 67. When they canned TOS, my mom sent a letter to them the in letter writing campaign to bring it back. I believe she read an article in the newspaper and it contained an address.
I have been a Star Trek fan since I was a kid in the '70s and I 100% agreed with everything you said about how they're getting Star Trek wrong. They totally missed the point of it.
"It used to be if you were a fan of Star Trek, then you liked Star Trek." Yeah, well, it used to be that if you were a fan of Star Trek, then Star Trek liked YOU.
"Radical inclusivity," No, Starfleet was logically inclusive. They would judge a civilization's merit and see if they were up to their standards, but they did not exclude based on species. You could be a race of 9ft tall squid monsters but if you had a functional, warp-capable civilization with no infighting or outward aggression, they would figure out somewhere to stick a comm-badge on you.
Nope, they made androids slaves on Mars and had drug addicts running around on Earth. Don't you remember that from your childhood? It was in...I'm done pretending. F**k this shit.
Heck if I recall from one of the books The Trill home world knew of Starfleet well before they joined and actually waited to make sure StarFleet met their standards. I can only imagine how this brave new Radical Starfleet will be seen by other species around the galaxy.
They thought DS9 poking holes at the utopian vision of the future was the only thing we wanted. They missed the optimism involved in it and past Trek. DS9 did it right, everything that came after just did a worse job.
I think Voyager was also pretty good and at times even better at doing the good kind of poking - The kind were you find out why something is good & worthwhile, even though it's hard. New Trek is all about "How can I justify being sh*t & dysfunctional?".
No, they won't, though they may try. Star Trek cannot be killed. it is an idea, an ideal, and we hold it within us, independent of their commercial crap. Since its inception, Trek has always had an uneasy relationship with the studios, and it always will. Its unreaslistic to expect otherwise. We know what it is, and we'll keep it alive by supporting fan-made stuff like STC and Avalon, and the classics. by holding their feet to the fire every time they try some new twist.
Quite literally the people who used to bully you for liking these things (Games, Tabletop, Trek, Star Wars, Warhammer, etc) are in charge and flaunting. It got old a decade ago.
Well, they can't hope to create anything new of the same grandeur, so they decided to hop on and parasyte those franchises that bullied nerd built from the ground years ago.
Tabletop is so trash now it's upsetting. I'd be ok with it if the "new" guys were atleast creative. You can have new to the hobbies people coke in and be great, but the "new crowd" is cancer.
They didn't cancel it, the head of UPN didn't like "Star Trek" and moved the show around to mess with the show's ratings and left it to die. The constant time-shifting ruined the ratings and forced it's cancellation
@@liamdell6319 I think "Nemesis" was like "Star Trek (2009)," written by someone who had a basic awareness of the franchise and made a story that was meant more as an action-adventure film than a true "Star Trek" film. It was crafted with a level of care by the cast, but the writers and director were more like; "I don't know what this is, but whatever" as I think Stuart Baird said something along those lines that he didn't really know much about Star Trek and directed it more as an action movie
Let's be clear though, as a huge trek fan at the time there was massive oversaturation. Most trek fans had had enough by the time enterprise came out and it also really wasn't very popular. I love it now but at the time it did terrible.
It's a dead corpse, but it looks to be moving from a distance , when you get closer you realize the movement is from the thousands of maggots feasting at its decomposing corpse.
Orville was a bit fun at a start. But it somehow turned into really strong messaging really fast. And into the "in your face" one. Black Mirror for example also points out on social problems. But without the the actual messaging. (At least that it was. I'm scared to watch newer series since everything turned woke.)
Wow! It’s August 7, 2024 and I just came across you. Thank you! I can’t tell you how satisfying it is to hear things that you said. But wait I can. My uncle was Gary Nardino, he was the President of Paramount television from 1976-1984. He was in charge of all things Star Trek from 1977 through the script of The Voyage Home. He never would’ve put up with his stuff, but lucky enough everything he touched, at least most of the things that he touched, pretty much turned to gold. In fact there is a great letter from Roddenberry to him about the script of Star Trek II. It’s hilarious if you ever want to see it let me know, if you haven’t already? Keep doing what you’re doing your analysis of where Star Trek is today is spot on excellent.
Well, TOS had at least a couple of, what I would classify as, "comedy" episodes. The Trouble with Tribbles and I, Mudd. The former had _more_ comedic elements to it, but I find it hilarious watching and hearing the Enterprise Crew frying the logic circuits of those robots in I, Mudd.
@reniefuwa Is not fair to call it fanfiction. These people aren't fans. Some are indifferent to Star Trek. The rest of them hate it. No different than what's happened to Star Wars. If you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend looking up Prelude to Axanar. That's fanfiction.
"We changed the recipe for Coca-cola so that it now includes onion juice. " "How dare you Coca-cola fans dislike it just because it's changed! You're no real fans!"
What hapened? People used to like Star Trek, then Star Trek began to shit on itself and its audience, and suddenly people don't like Star Trek. What a mystery!
Because social media happened. Extreme opinions and pointless contrarianism and outrage is the currency. It used to take effort, talent and expertise to expose one’s opinions to a larger group of people than the two or three bods in the pub. Now any old tosser can fart their opinions into a roiling, vast crowd of morons and bask in the resulting cheers. Hell, if you’re smart and boson-hearted enough, you can even monetise it with a UA-cam channel, where you can be a Poundland Charlie Brooker and add so much bum gas to the “debate” that, if you’re lucky, some people may even be able to nasally discern your own particular skunk-scent in the soupy, toxic cloud.
By 2005 everybody was just over with this franchise in general, no wonder it sucked. And most of the attempts to appeal to a new audience were mediocre at best
That was just an end to more new Trek. It didn't ruin what came before. Star Trek survived periods without new content before. It died when Jar Jar Abrams made his accursed movies.
I doubt it, Roddenberry was extremely left leaninh and push as far as he could. He would be excited how far left it's gone. I left star trek over a decade ago
@@David-ys4udYou didnt really understood Star Trek or Roddenberry. Roddenberry was an old style liberal but he was a based man. These new "people" are neo-liberals , very very different monster: destroyers of humanity and culture. Roddenberry cherished diversity and aspects of human culture, having high standards of morality, having value on intellect and culture. The neoliberal and woke people are exactly the opposite of this.
Roddenberry spent the 80s addicted to cocaine. If he was alive today, he'd be thrilled to support this stuff, in exchange for a few more grams of nose candy.
@@David-ys4ud I dunno. He was a liberal, but that doesn't mean he was a Leftist. The man did have optimism and cared about humanity (and not just his own portion of it.)
@@normusdoar Leftists. Leftists are so extreme that true liberals are appalled by their behavior. I can respect and talk with liberals and do. Leftists would rather just call me a 'phobic' or 'racist' before I even opened my mouth.
It ended with Nemesis for me. I don't know why people liked Enterprise when it had stuff in it like a pregnant male in the first season, that's what lead to what we have now.
@@Eric19877 Enterprise did have a clunky first couple of seasons as it was trying to find its place...but once the Xindi arc kicked off THAT's when it really started to shine.
Don’t forget Feige. The four horse’s asses of the IP apocalypse are literally in competition with each other to see who can piss off the Fans the most….
This is why God created classic series DVDs. 😉 Before that, he created Fotonovels (but I wore out my copy of The Trouble With Tribbles until the thumb-damaged edges fell off the binding.)
Star trek, like all other creations die with thier creators, in this case Gene Roddenberry. The reason tng , ds9, voyager and even enterprise were good to great is because the people working on those properties respected gene and the source material.
Star Trek been dead since the 1st Kelvin reboot movie, which is one of the most annoying shaky camera induced movies I've ever seen. 🤮🤮🤮What more of the entire trilogy itself. 👎👎👎
Is it just me, or were these properties better when they were made by nerds for nerds? This is the equivalent of the high school jocks and cheerleaders discovering D&D and changing the very core of it so their peers would like it more
56 y/o fan here. As I sat with a Trek fan group at a local con last year, I felt old, and could see the end of Trek coming. Most of the visitors passing by were decades younger than the average age at our table, into some kind of manga, and didn't even look at us, never mind express an interest in joining. There was an irony to me, considering that Trek initiated the whole con thing (so long ago,) and these young, non-Trek fans probably have no idea...
I’m a third-generation Star Trek fan. My great aunt gave me the book renditions of all the original series episodes, plus the book versions of the animated series. I own all the movies and the five different series on DVD. We exist, I promise. We just aren’t plentiful.
No, just about all Hollywood movies now are propaganda first and foremost, then effects and then characters which now have no depth as the woke!!@mryellow6918
Precisely. Vulcans are naturally extremely violent, but they are trained from birth to control their emotions. Kurtzman literally doesn't even understand the basics.
I watched half of season 1, saw they were taking notes from The Orville, but I still had my doubts and said I'll wait for a season or 2. That was 100% the moment I realised these people won't learn. They're trying to take you on a tour of paris and they say bon joe yurrr as your tour starts.
@@katethomas1519 I watched all of S1, it felt more like classic Trek, but Season 2 episode 1 was the end for me. The show was a bait and switch and went back to being Kurtzman Trek. He has no respect for Star Trek, and now it's just a farce, and he's laughing about it. No respect, very sad.
These adult pretenders are so phony. They, "Can't Wait!" and, "So EXCITED!" for their project to come out? Yeah, sure you are. You cashed the check, that's all you want to know.
They remind me of the director who claimed to have been a fan of He-Man, then killed (and double-killed him for permanence) in the first episode, and then went on to say that he had never liked He-Man in the first place.
@@TheRenofox I think someone also did a timeline of his life versus when the show came out originally and they didn't line up at all. His whole story of what he remembered growing up and so forth was just complete BS.
The thing is, Vulcans take a lifetime to master logic over emotions. The non Vulcans would not have the discipline to follow logic. So they'd just be angry all the time, we've seen that before in Enterprise.
When I was a young adult, it was bad to be a Star Trek nerd. Now the show is mainstream and cool people have stolen our nerd stuff. Now they are bastardizing and politicizing it. I won’t watch.
Leftists can’t make real Trek because they reject the Humanities, Enlightenment values, and true Liberalism which are everything Star Trek is really about.
Agreed - 'Enterprise' was a po-faced, humourless, appalling show. However, The two-episode 'Terran Empire' arc set up Georgiou to be the Empress in 'Discovery'.
@@nexus_of_a_crisis Shran was the only good thing about it. Same actor who played Brunt and Weyoun in DS9. The guy who played the Vulcan was pretty good, but they played havoc with the Vulcan back story in that show. Hated it for that reason alone.
As a huge fan of Section 31 in DS9.. dear lord I hate everything they've done with it. They used to, you know, be really good at being secretive and run by intelligent characters. Now it's ... this. Parading around in uniforms, announcing themselves to everyone, trying to rip off a certain Squad.. why couldn't they have given the franchise to the guy that fixed Picard? He seems to actually like it.
@@this.is.a.username of 75,000,000 trump voters only 713 of them were arrested for january sixth.. For logic you condemn 75,000,000 people for the actions of 0.00000013% of them you are rhe emotional illogical brainwashed numpty you think others are. You need Jesus Christ badly in your life turn from your wicked ways before its too late... -a concerned Jesus, Truth and Logic believing sinner(just like you)
Its baked into our education system. People are taught what to believe instead of how to think for themselves. Belief is an emotional response and they use fear constantly to lead these lobotomized people by the nose
I liked New World's first season at least. I think I liked the second too. That being said, all I can remember about it was that I liked the lower decks crossover a lot. I also liked Picard season 2. Blew my mind. Can't remember a damn thing about season 3. Think just about all of lower decks is good. Don't have good feelings about its future though.
Star Trek went in a downward spiral ever since they retconned Sulu to be gay. From that point on I ignored Star Trek because I knew it would get worse from there.
Your loss man. Everything after the original series up until Discovery has been some good TV Relax. I misunderstood. I thought maybe they meant original series made him gay which would have been news to me. Relax
@@0oo00 Every series after had a rough start sure and some bad episodes. Absolutely. Still some damn fine TV. Enterprise included. I like all the films too. Even JJ Abrams first 2
@@LukeLovesRosethey’re not as good, but at least they feel like Star Trek. You have that feeling of an extended family that you follow on a journey … just doesn’t happen post-Enterprise 🫤
@@BugsyFTO No. These shows did not reach the heights of TOS or TNG. But I actually liked Voyager and Enterprise more of DS9. I never got into the constant, stagnant soap opera feel of DS9
From 1970s to early 2000s, i absolutely loved Star Trek. That bastard creation of Abrams killed ST for me This modern ST isnt ST. Even Picard season 3, is so dark on the sets plus full of swearing. I couldnt give a shit about ST anymore. They have killed it.
They certainly dumbed it down and made it for the lowest common denominator. The word I would use for it nowadays is GHETTO. DEI has ruined EVERYTHING worth a damn. There are A LOT of things we just do A LOT better and trying to put them in everything is the DUMBEST idea ever.
So Abram’s killed ST for u but u watched 3 seasons of a zombified start trek in Picard? At least the Abram’s movies didn’t disrupt canon and balanced out being a good movie with paying homage to the past they’re pretty good
What Star Trek will save in hiring low-rate B-list actors with no genuine talent, they will more than lose in actual fans who respect the history and lore of the series.
I highly doubt it will be the actors they're going to save on. It will be the sets and action, leaving well-paid woke celebrities talking to each other over a green screen.
the movie Serenity did it so well, at the end when Malcolm Reynolds is confronted by The Operative, with the man whos been tracking them the whole movie, this man has killed, tortured and allowed good people to die; Capt. Malcolm Reynolds : So me and mine gotta lay down and die... so you can live in your better world? The Operative : I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... any more than there is for you. Malcolm... I'm a monster. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done. thats the difference and why his character was so, chilling. He knew what he was doing was bad but it had to be done so ordinary people can live in peace. This show is going to try and make the show runners just misunderstood rogues, with feelings just like you and me.
Star Trek been dead since the 1st Kelvin reboot movie, which is one of the most annoying shaky camera induced movies I've ever seen. 🤮🤮🤮What more of the entire trilogy itself. 👎👎👎
@@mr.sinjin-smyth Very much agreed. Plus the ugliest redesign of the iconic Enterprise that has ever been consigned to screen. I still remember, after all these years, the moment I laid eyes on the Enterprise-D, designed by Andrew Probert. Hard to explain the sensation. "She's so beautiful that it hurts" is the sentence that came to my mind at the time. I tend to be dramatic at times. This... Jar-jar abomination... on the other hand... made me want to puke.
Section 31 should be a TV series with titles such as: "Moral Ambiguity" "The End Justifies The Means" "Friendly Fire" "False Flag" And yes, it should have a bit of Mission Impossible in some of the episodes.
These aren't the people to pull that off. Also, all Trek under Kurtzman has taken on a nasty, toxic, dystopian tone. In Picard season 1 his old first officer is an alcoholic and drug addict in a world that supposedly solved those issues. Kurtzman-trek shows a civilization in decline, and if you want that, look to literally any other scifi or even the news. The optimism is what made Star Trek unique but these people are too stupid to realize that.
I have been saying this for a while now. Fanfiction is written by people who love the source material. This crap is created by people who hate the source material.
It's like they've taken Star Trek which is a show for intelligent people and watered it down to appeal to people who watch Transformers and Godzilla movies.
Star Trek died in 2005. Then in 2009 they reanimated it as a shambling undead corpse. God, i can't believe that this awful JJ and Kurtzman Trek has lasted for 15 years, which is almost as long as Rick Berman and his run of good Star Trek.
Original Spock always considered being called Human an insult. He even went through a rìtual to purge all emotion. He responded with positivity when compared to a machine. Nu Spock is Spock in name only
Section 31 is SUPPOSED to be about "the ends justifying the means", about killing to prevent killing, about the few being willing abandon their ability to live in their society so that the many safely can. It's not about good defeating evil, it's about accepting that sometimes only evil can defeat evil in an imperfect world/universe where everyone doesn't think like you. It's SUPPOSED to make you THINK, not LAUGH.
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges Literally means “in times of war, the law falls silent” and Sloan’s actions are extremely abhorrent, but effective, and likely saved the post dominion Alpha Quadrant from more war.
That was one of my favorite episodes. And there are times when I say that to some people, after I translate it for them. They get so angry but I tell them. Sometimes you can't Beat evil with good. Sometimes The only way to deal with evil is with evil. Darkness against darkness. The woke and the left have destroyed everything. Look at the opening ceremony of the Olympics. I am disgusted. I have love Star Trek for yeand I vowed that if ever, I encountered aliens and it was taken out into space, I would do something to build a starship enterprise and come back to Earth.
@@animejanai4657more like Federation Black ops, easily disavowed, and lets the rest of the Federation keep their “hands clean” in ignorance. They’re supposed to be secret, unlike the black ops of other races. The discussion and morality of them when you take into account their methods and results is some of the best writing in the show IMO. Easily on par with the best Picard speeches.
@@Samuel034 One of my fav scenes of all time. I regret I didn't write the quote myself lol. The debate of whether you maintain your principles but allow the entire Alpha Quadrant to be destroyed or literally commit a genocide of the race that thinks nothing of killing or enslaving you all. There is no right answer, no perfect solutions in an imperfect world/universe. To paraphrase Sisko, "It's easy to be an angel in paradise, but the world/universe is not paradise". There are only imperfect solutions you can learn to live with and someone has to be willing to get their hands dirty for them, so "I can live with it...I CAN live with it...computer, delete that entire personal log".
"What I love most about modernity, is trying to get indoctrinated by my lessers" - absolutely nailed it! Cinema, television, what these "creators" lack in intelligence, they make up for in arrogance
Star Trek ended at "Nemesis". I've been a fan since 1978, watching reruns when I was 4. And introduced my four children to it. We haven't consumed the a minute of "The Message" Trek. Thank for putting this out there.
Trek died with Roddenberry. they've been puppeteering the corpse since then. at first, it was ok. they added just a little more human drama. it started to rot and stink with the tng movies; it turned into action schlock with a sci-fi setting.
The best thing of all is that Star Trek is alive and well, mainly because it ended all production 20ish years ago. What this is is Kutrzman Trek, the downward pinnacle of a sham show based on a valid IP. Star Trek encourages us to try harder, to want to be better and dream of a better world that we can create and contribute to. Kurtzman Trek encourages us to be dumber, more self-absorbed and self-involved, and more angry without reason.
I have been watching Star Trek since the original was aired on tv in the 1960s. Creators today have lost the idea of Star Trek. They have made it worse. There was a reason why people loved the old Star Treks. Now they have come to dislike Star Trek very much. They should try to find out why. It's sad. Give me the OLD Star Treks back! My all time favorite was Next Generation. They have twisted Star Trek into something that is almost not recognizable. It clearly is nowhere near the level of the old Star Treks.
Star Trek died years ago. It randomly came back for a quick finale with season 3 of Picard, but that corpse was quickly beaten back down and burned by what has been released since
Star Wars has been desecrated. Star Trek has been desecrated. Doctor Who has been desecrated. Superman (and worse, Supergirl) has been desecrated. All of these classic franchises are being sacrificed on the wokeness altar. And they're dead, all of them. They were great shows that used to sometimes have a message, but that have turned into a message that has a show... and the message is as banal and indelicately delivered as a gorilla hitting you on the head with an uprooted sapling.
Yes he has and this insane Section 31 thing is going to do far more damage than we ever thought. A literal Black Ops group who makes bioweapons to kill off entire speices is represented by some stupid Zoomer music now.
@@kirgan1000 You can make a Section 31 story good, it would have to be the type of show or movie that highlights how very blissfully ignorant the citizens of the Federation are to existential threats. Think of an Orion Syndicate attempt to take over the Federation through implanting a Slave Girl near key Starfleet personnel and them slowly moving towards the President of the Federation. And have Section 31 need to be brutal to the whole group trying this, it could be female focused as men are easily taken over by the Slave Girls, it would have a "whamen powaa!!" message and have the jokes of men going stupid for a beautiful woman. While keeping to the theme of the group in having to do brutal things to keep the Paradise of the Federation safe and have the characters struggle with the morality of it until coming to the sort of Sisko conclusion at the end of In the Pale Moonlight. But they don't have the capability to have moral ambiguity and present people doing horrible things to safeguard people from other horrible people, the characters HAVE to be seen as good otherwise their self-inserts aren't the "good guys".
@@UncensoredScion First I like the Psi Corps story, and think Bester is a very interesting antagonist, in Babylon 5. But I totally reject your idea, in DS9 Section 31 was a Cancer on the federation, that need to be removed. What you describe is that Section 31is a vital organ for the Federation. Hence make the Federation to its core dark, that is not that Star Trek is about.
It is truly fascinating to see so many new Star Trek shows that no one will ever, ever watch. It's truly mind-blowing and I don't think there is anything comparable. They're literally making these shows for no-one.
The point of stoicism isnt to suppress emotions. Its to develop logic to supercede emotions, the way a parent directing a child is not oppressive but necessary. Of course, we perceive the world with intuition as well. The Vulcans are a more extreme case of stoicism, which Star Trek explores.
A great example of stoicism is that even when you feel like breaking down, it's keeping a straight face to appear strong in the face of adversity. The concept originated in ancient Greece with the idea of handling the emotions without letting them overwhelm you, and the logic of Vulcans personifies this idea as they focus on logic and intellect while suppressing the physical demonstration of emotions
I was at a shop the other day, and they completely hanged one of the products I regularly buy. I said aloud, "control Al, you MUST learn control!" and the shop attendant laughed gleefully and said "yeah, we need to constantly not rage these days" and laughed. She was a young girl btw.
Umm. I haven't seen that episode of Strange New Worlds where the rest of the bridge crew becom Vulcans, but as a fan of Star Trek I can already see an absolutely critical flaw in the writing. If you transformed a human into a full Vulcan, they'd instantly become a huge mess of massively overwhelming emotions, lacking any Vulcan logical conditioning. The logical element of Vulcans is trained - it's artificial - their natural state underneath all that repressive indoctrination is to be extremely passionate and emotional. It takes decades for them to think or act like Spock or Sarek. The writers are total idiots.
I think the upper tier left is setting a honey pot to make the left wing ideas so unpalatable that we just agree to wipe them out: LGBTQ - back to the loony bin, Blacks - back to Africa, Mexicans - back to Mexico, women - lose the right to vote and own property. These left wing ideas are so openly hateful of anyone who isn't them you naturally have to be against them. You rarely find any lefty who can support all of them.
to be fair,the first one was not bad i saw alot potential in there... there was alittle (strange in it) the second also wasnt bad (but the strangeness increased) well and then it went only down from there :)) these guys in hollywood dont get how to put the good old stuff into the future like for example top gun did
@@SirTimotheusTheThirdthe first one was an insult to the original series. The second one was an insult to the most loved Trek movie, Star Trek II, and I cannot ever be botheted to give the third one the time of day. The ugly monster they turned Enterprise into for thos terrible movies. And that was Romulans, the bald bikers flying a giant sea anemone? And Khan having magic blood to bring people back from death? Yeesh! Awful stuff.
@@jamiebraswell5520 never said it was perfect,those old movies also arent perfect... but for the new movies if you wanna know what was truly nxt lvl,without a doubt, the cast!,and dont get me wrong who ever wrote there dialogs or the story should finish school, the music/sound also hits hard, the atmosphere in 2 is fantastic, benedict cumberbatch... what a fantastic choice,the synergie between the captain spock and khan is for sure worth it (even if i dont like all that (different timelines stuff eather ) still, kill the captain instead of spock had something. also you dont get eye cancer like watching those old movies (at least the first 2) even in part 3 i would think those aliens look alot better then in the old movies :) wasnt all gold back then...
They seem to be going out of their way to make every kind of “Star Trek” show except anything with the tone of 80s/90s Star Trek that so many of us fell in love with.
Warning...I'm about to go on a rant. How do I hate thee? Let me count the ways... My Star Trek love affair began as a junior high schooler in 1966. My Sci-Fi-loving dad bought our first COLOR TV just so we could see Star Trek in COLOR!! We were glued to the TV each week. I tape recorded the episodes so I could learn the dialog and repeat it. My nerdy friends and I would gather together in a friend's parents' basement so we could write scripts and act them out. I joined an actual Star Trek club in college in the early 1970s. I went to as many conventions as I could. I watched everything the original cast starred in, read everything that mentioned Star Trek. Yes, I was an TOS Trekker. I feared The Next Generation, but the crew (played by competent actors) assured me that they understood what Star Trek was all about. The OTHER Star Treks followed; some episodes I liked, others...not so much, but they seemed to still understand what was at the heart of TOS, so I nodded and said, "Well, we are getting older." Some of the movies were wonderful and some were duds. Always hoping we might see TOS with a younger cast that understood the canon. Then JJ Abrams came onto the scene. And I thought, "Star Trek meets Star Wars." Don't get me wrong...I love eye candy as much as the next person (I'm looking at you, Chris Pine). I thought the real stand outs (besides Leonard Nimoy, of course) were actually Zachary Quinto who did a really nice homage to TOS Spock and Karl Urban as Bones McCoy. And then THEY arrived: Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds (with Section 31 in the wings). I was in shock from Picard and only really enjoyed the season (not exactly sure what those first two seasons were about). I tried to watch Discovery and I couldn't get past the first episode of the first season. I did tune in again to watch all of the SNW tie-ins during the second season because I had high hopes for it. I forced myself to watch Lower Decks (meh, it was passable). I still haven't watched Prodigy. I really wanted to love SNW. I was suffering from TOS withdraw. I found that I liked the cast and the characters (for the most part). Okay, I accept that they wanted to do some experimenting...Thank God it wasn't Discovery level...but there was that musical (I won't go there). I'm hoping they won't jump the shark this season.
"And then THEY arrived: Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds (with Section 31 in the wings)." Yes, those are the bad ones. I won't watch them. My advice: go back and watch the old ones that were good: TOS, TAS, TNG, VOY, DS9. ENT was so-so for me. Didn't much care for the Abrams movies. The older movies were good though. They felt like ST and were. The woke mind virus ruined ST, so for me it died with Discovery. I tried Strange New Worlds, and it started okay but something was off. It was so dark, like a horror movie. And the wokeness pops up. It feels forced. I just can't force myself to try anymore. It's just not the same show. I will re-watch the old ST and classic Doctor Who. I won't watch the new stuff, but it's not the same show; it just has the same name. One more thought: see the fan film series on youtube called Star Trek Continued. It's really excellent. It's the old TOS characters with new episodes.
@@thinkforyourself2109The returning to previous storylines are good. If you haven't seen either "Star Trek: Renegades," "Star Trek: Horizon," or "Pacific 201," you might enjoy them as they're good if you focus on the plot and storyline. They're made with care for the franchise and at least Renegades had Trek alums (Russ and Koenig) involved
While it's intended more for a younger audience, Prodigy is actually good and ties into the canon. A few of the story points are a little strange, but suits the previous entries around the post-Voyager period
Star Trek died when Paramount chose to "reboot" the "franchise" rather than building new and aspirational characters and stories. When truly fans saw where the JJ Abraams directing was trying to do and criticized Paramount, they decided to ban every single one project that would will stay true to the storyline of Gene Roddenberry's initial creation. Galaxy Quest, Star Trek Continues and The Orville have more relevance to the ST universe than Paramount's latest movies
I’d rather you identify as something rather than say, you don’t identify as either since it’s so trendy to decide you don’t wanna choose. Refusal to choose a gross sign of your immaturity. And that bleeds into other facets of life too, if you’re not emotionally mature enough to identify as either male or female, you’re not emotionally mature enough for anything PERIOD
It's funny because it's born out of a fad and a changing of definitions. There's nothing wrong with being a woman who just so happens to like mostly male things. We used to call that a Tomboy. Now it's "Gender non-conforming female-presenting." The same people that said "Don't label us" and "Labels are harmful" created a million labels to substitute for a lack of personality and growth.
@@Unethical.FandubsGames The part that annoys me most is how they pretend that social conventions built around guiding people who can benefit from a clear path when life is complicated (gender roles) are somehow inescapable shackles of a rigid and moralizing society, all because they got teased for not doing the expected thing as a kid, or their parents would like to have grandchildren someday. We're supposed to pretend that people have not always been able to do pretty much as they please, and that women never wore pants, or something.
"Guardians of the Galaxy on steroids" to explain SECTION 31!? I honestly thought nothing could be more insulting to an IP than "Rings of Power", but I was wrong. That isn't just not knowing or understanding Star Trek, that is willful destruction of it. I honestly think Michelle Yeoh was too embarrassed to be there in person.
Every major nerd fandom has one of those these days. LotR has Rings of Power, Star Wars has TLJ and The Acolyte, Star Trek has... this. I guess you can chalk the Snyderverse for DC and the lion share of phase 4 for Marvel. DnD has also been hit with the "Modern Audiences" stick.
Star Trek was at SDCC 2024 with every series from Star Trek Discovery, Strange New Worlds, Section 31 and a new live action comedy show. But every time the panels and trailers opened their mouths, they proved that they knew nothing about Star Trek. Occasionally they can repeat things they've heard about the series, but they do not understand the ideas. Often the statements prove they cannot even comprehend these ideas, it's all about them, and putting themselves in the universe. After Star Trek Discovery I had expected Star Trek to die out as too expensive for a bankrupt Paramount. But the opposite has happened, with multiple spin off movies and series, they're doubling down on Alex Kurtzman and failure. At this point the main question is how long can they continue this path? What do you think? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
In a society were people are ever more self centered they cannot fathom a world beyond their own limitations ... i would say it can only be worse.
I can't wait for when they eventually create a ST spin off without stars and very little trekking beyond one's sofa to get to the remote 😢
Michelle Yeoh didn't even show? WTF!!!! How many showed up in Hall H for this?? All I heard from this even would be a Cross to Dracula for a lifelong Trekkie. Paramount has welcomed leaches into their IP and their so disconnected from those IP's they've been drawn and quartered on their own accord.
The fact that Fanguard, BlackRot & ShitStreak are the 3 largest institutional investors in Paramount Global should tell us everything.
7:55: Incidentally, what this person is describing here is called 'social plasticity.' We all present different faces to the world. People don't behave with their lover they way they do their friends, their boss, their parents, their priest. Everyone knows the dirty jokes from the Saturday night out with the gang wouldn't fly over the Sunday dinner table with the folks. This is simply how we navigate the world around us and socially interact with other people. To tell someone that all those selves are a lie and only the person you are when you're by yourself is the 'true' one... is f'king _INSANE_
Thank you for making all your great videos, I haven't watched a single show that you've reviewed, and never want to
You know what the real tragedy is? Deep Space Nine not having a blu-ray release why Discovery is a waste of blu-ray discs.
Unfortunately, there's no source higher than the broadcast 480i videos. All the digital effects were done for 480i too. That means every single effect would have to be redone by hand. DS9 (and later TNG episodes, along with Babylon 5) pioneered TV digital effects. Downside is, there were only down for the, then current, resolutions.
I should also add that there are a couple really good AI upscaling projects for DS9. The 1080p version came out years ago and looks really good. I think the 4K project is still ongoing.
@@TheSolidSnakeOil Guaranteed if they did an official GoFundMe or Kickstart to cover the cost of redoing DS9 it would be 100% in less than 24 hours.
@@TheSolidSnakeOil That's our fault, apparently. Because TNG didn't sell as well as they thought it would (after redoing all of the special effects for it and bring it to HD whilst still in 4:3 scale), so they scrapped plans for DS9 and Voyager. It is indeed tragic.
Regardless of original quality of Voyager and DS9 etc…these new shows wont sell at all. Its still a waste of plastic.
@@robl7532yeah DS9 isn’t as great as people remember it to be. The first 4 seasons were very meh, they had to bring in worf remember? It wasn’t until they had large dominion war arcs and tng ending before people began to watch ds9. And Voyager is crap all around.
Kurtzman promised the fans star trek and delivered a parody.
McFarland promised the fans a parody and actually delivered Star Trek.
The irony is he did such an outstanding job of creating star trek that the orville was canceled after three seasons.
It's uncancelled, season 4 is confirmed!
@@darthmeow1370 Wow, I just heard it from you first and immediately had to check to see if it was true - and it is!
You just made my night a lot better. Orville is the real Trek now.
@@BlazingOwnager
Agreed
McFarland merely claimed that it was a parody in order to minimize the potential of a lawsuit
@@matthewronsson And to sell it to Fox.
After all, A funny-man not doing funny-man stuff would
never get approved.
Star Trek as a show series died when Enterprise was canceled.
That was a really good show. I liked how it wasn't they've already been in space 150yrs or more & it's all been built up _for_ them.
Enterprise was all abou the building....from linguistics to technology through formulating and creating the Federation.
Nothing was "handed" to them, _they_ built it.
@@anonygrazer3234 yes, it was well written and thought out.
@BigSkySix Yeah, him too!
@@michaelminervini1908 Even the Zindi story arc was tightly knit & the idea of 4 distinct variations of the same species was ground breaking, at least to me, and I don't think anyone else has ever done that before or since.
@BigSkySix A happy puppy will steal _any_ show!
"We're serving fans steaming plates of shit! Why do they refuse to eat?!"
-Modern Hollywood
If you don't eat it, you're a racist, white supremacist, yazi.
It seems most of the people at comic con just lap up anything and everything though.
Because i am already paying a beautiful Mistress for that :D
I think I would be less offended by it all if they acknowledged what they are feeding us. But no. "It's not shit!! Guys... look-- it's really chocolate."
Quick! Find the buzzword dictionary so we can guilt trip some people into watching!
"It's dead, Jim".
- McCoy, Leonard.
_"All good things must come to an end... "_ *Q*
🖖😉👍!.
Luther Sloan is rolling in his grave
Nothing can be worse than The Acolyte. Paramount: "Hold my beer."
"How has everything become so toxic?"
Because the studios decided they hated the customers.
"It used to be if you were a fan of Star Trek, you liked Star Trek."
This isn't Star Trek.
I have a question:
How can these people be so out-of-touch?
You don't need to be in-touch when you're in control
They were people who hated Star Trek and looked down on the "nerds" who loved it. Now they run it and don't get why people aren't responding well to their disdain of the thing so many loved.
Starmeth Trek
@@GreenGimmick As long as you dont mind losing that control, sure
They're just in touch with something dark and destructive...and they also touch, um, miniature humans... inappropriately...
Oh, it's already dead. It died years ago.
Enterprise, while finding its foot only really in the 3rd season was the great ST show. We've not had a good ST show in nearly 20 years, sad.
@@pavelh.4515 Wdym the last season of Picard was peak Trek. Yeah we kinda just ignore the first two seasons but the last was perfection
It died of an ST:D
Picard Season 3 was a pleasant survive.
@@guusvansprang5673 Meh, take away the fan service and the story sounded meh. Also, Patrick Steward, Martina Sirtis, Johnathon Frakes, Levar Burton and Will Wheaton have forever destroyed TNG for me with their Pukehard and social media antics. I can't bear to see them in anything. Peak Trek? I think not. Also, that peak Trek helped Kurtzman IMMENSELY in getting more of his sh1t made.
Making Section 31 members the heroes of your show demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what Section 31 is. Nobody doing this should be running the show. It's like making a Lord of the Rings show where the Nazgul are the good guys and hang out in the local bar after each episode for a beer.
Exactly! You don't get much more anti-Trek than Section 31.
@@zqxzqxzqx1 Or do you? Great Britain has MI5. Russia had the KGB. The US has CIA. Israel has their Mossad. "Good people doing very bad things for their country?" There are writers that have given us loads of spy based books and movies. However they haven't been comedies. IF you are going to have a show or movie about Section 31 it most certainly should not be done as "funny".
I believe when they were introduced in both DS9 and ENT they were classified as both a subgroup of Starfleet Intelligence and operated in the "darkness no one else dared" because as Harris says in Season 4 during the Augment arc; "read the charter again...Section 31, it calls for extraordinary means" while speaking to Archer. Sloane never calls his people the "good guys" but the ones who get thier hands dirty to protect the utopia of the Federation's ideals and refers to their existence as "a necessary evil."
The only reason S31 is interesting is because they're the antithesis of what Starfleet and the Federation represent; peace, unity, co-existence, and compassion, but making them the "heroes" would essentially be rewriting Star Trek canon and turning the Borg into the "good guys" while the Federation are made the "bad guys"
I started watching the original star trek and I keep marveling at how professional everyone is. In today's shows, everyone is snarky, disrespectful and emotionally incontinent. Love the old stuff.
It mirrors liberal hollywood types. That nasty snarky know it all attitude is what they consider “strang wahmen”.
in part it's different generations. back then people were still functional adults. today they're all manchildren who never grew up.
Emotionally incontinent! Great imagery, 😂
@@user-kc2fu8iw3v The term "functional adults" might be debatable.
It was also a time, were a lot of thing didn't get talked about
and people buried their problems inside themself in order to LOOK like "functional adults".
One of the reasons why some level of Alcoholism or punching people was so much more acceptable.
Now, Some folks have clearly gone overboard in the opposite direction these today,
but people were hardly perfect back then.
The old stuff was like watching a military/scientific group exploring the galaxy. Anyone disrespectful of an officer would rightly be seeing the inside of the brig.
My dad was a huge trekkie. I take some comfort that he passed away before Discovery.
I'm 67. When they canned TOS, my mom sent a letter to them the in letter writing campaign to bring it back. I believe she read an article in the newspaper and it contained an address.
@@dlewis9760 I wasn't lucky enough to hear about the write-in campaign, but I would have written if I had known.
Mine too. He was season 2 in. Died at 50.
Tiny bit messed up. Couldn't he have just not watched it?
😂😂😂😂
I have been a Star Trek fan since I was a kid in the '70s and I 100% agreed with everything you said about how they're getting Star Trek wrong. They totally missed the point of it.
"It used to be if you were a fan of Star Trek, then you liked Star Trek."
Yeah, well, it used to be that if you were a fan of Star Trek, then Star Trek liked YOU.
Says the man whose own magnum opus televised version was wrecked by showrunners who no longer cared enough to stick the landing.
That was when star trek gave a particular type of entertainment and story telling.
That's not happening anymore
ahh. back when they could tell a story without preaching or being passively racist to white men.
It used to be that if you were a fan of Star Trek it was because Star Trek was good.
The new content isn't good.
Yeah, well, it USED to BE Star Trek. Kurtzman Trek is NOT Star Trek.
"Radical inclusivity," No, Starfleet was logically inclusive. They would judge a civilization's merit and see if they were up to their standards, but they did not exclude based on species. You could be a race of 9ft tall squid monsters but if you had a functional, warp-capable civilization with no infighting or outward aggression, they would figure out somewhere to stick a comm-badge on you.
Nope, they made androids slaves on Mars and had drug addicts running around on Earth. Don't you remember that from your childhood? It was in...I'm done pretending. F**k this shit.
Well-said! I wanted to make this point, but you say this so beautifully, I will just give you an “amen!”
Something like... if you were LGBT, fine. But if you groomed children over mass media and beloved franchises, then no.
I kind of what to see a full episode of the engineers trying to stick a comm-badge on such a being.
Heck if I recall from one of the books The Trill home world knew of Starfleet well before they joined and actually waited to make sure StarFleet met their standards.
I can only imagine how this brave new Radical Starfleet will be seen by other species around the galaxy.
They thought DS9 poking holes at the utopian vision of the future was the only thing we wanted. They missed the optimism involved in it and past Trek.
DS9 did it right, everything that came after just did a worse job.
I think Voyager was also pretty good and at times even better at doing the good kind of poking
- The kind were you find out why something is good & worthwhile, even though it's hard.
New Trek is all about "How can I justify being sh*t & dysfunctional?".
DS9 didn't really poke a hole in the utopia though, they just showed that it was actually difficult and needed work to strive for high ideals.
Star Trek isn't dead, its undead. And they'll beat its zombiefied remains until there's nothing left but mush.
Is going to arrive a point that not even an elder lich, or even an arch necromancer willbe able to keep it rise
given the nature of the sort of people who wrote this, I think they are doing way worse than just beating these dead franchises.
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The undead's cries of, "Brains!" rang in my ears after I read your comment. And there was only silence in reply...
No, they won't, though they may try. Star Trek cannot be killed. it is an idea, an ideal, and we hold it within us, independent of their commercial crap. Since its inception, Trek has always had an uneasy relationship with the studios, and it always will. Its unreaslistic to expect otherwise.
We know what it is, and we'll keep it alive by supporting fan-made stuff like STC and Avalon, and the classics. by holding their feet to the fire every time they try some new twist.
Quite literally the people who used to bully you for liking these things (Games, Tabletop, Trek, Star Wars, Warhammer, etc) are in charge and flaunting.
It got old a decade ago.
Well, they can't hope to create anything new of the same grandeur, so they decided to hop on and parasyte those franchises that bullied nerd built from the ground years ago.
@TsunTzu well said
Tabletop is so trash now it's upsetting. I'd be ok with it if the "new" guys were atleast creative. You can have new to the hobbies people coke in and be great, but the "new crowd" is cancer.
They cancelled Enterprise, but they think this crap is good? Their life choices must include car crashes😮
I prefer Strange new worlds imo.
They didn't cancel it, the head of UPN didn't like "Star Trek" and moved the show around to mess with the show's ratings and left it to die. The constant time-shifting ruined the ratings and forced it's cancellation
@@andrewmalinowski6673 Also Star Trek Nemesis being shit.
@@liamdell6319 I think "Nemesis" was like "Star Trek (2009)," written by someone who had a basic awareness of the franchise and made a story that was meant more as an action-adventure film than a true "Star Trek" film. It was crafted with a level of care by the cast, but the writers and director were more like; "I don't know what this is, but whatever" as I think Stuart Baird said something along those lines that he didn't really know much about Star Trek and directed it more as an action movie
Let's be clear though, as a huge trek fan at the time there was massive oversaturation. Most trek fans had had enough by the time enterprise came out and it also really wasn't very popular. I love it now but at the time it did terrible.
Just because a corpse composes doesn't mean it's more dead than it already was. It's dead Jim, and has since Kurtzman took over.
DEcomposes.
It's a dead corpse, but it looks to be moving from a distance , when you get closer you realize the movement is from the thousands of maggots feasting at its decomposing corpse.
@@BoleDaPole A dead corpse? Uhuh. As opposed to a living corpse?
Anyone remember the old which is better argument between Star Trek and Star Wars?
Ironic ,how now the argument is which is worse.
ever heard voodoo? corpse can walk so let it walk to the grave😅
Galaxy Quest and The Orville are better than anything the Star Trek lot have done in the past decade
Galaxy Quest is amazing.
Mobile game Star Trek Fleet Command is literally doing a multi-month new content release based on Galaxy Quest instead of Star Trek. LMAO
I couldn’t stand The Orville. yuck
@@majorgear1021I'm torn. Def too much pandering to 'the message'
Orville was a bit fun at a start. But it somehow turned into really strong messaging really fast. And into the "in your face" one. Black Mirror for example also points out on social problems. But without the the actual messaging. (At least that it was. I'm scared to watch newer series since everything turned woke.)
Wow! It’s August 7, 2024 and I just came across you. Thank you! I can’t tell you how satisfying it is to hear things that you said. But wait I can. My uncle was Gary Nardino, he was the President of Paramount television from 1976-1984. He was in charge of all things Star Trek from 1977 through the script of The Voyage Home. He never would’ve put up with his stuff, but lucky enough everything he touched, at least most of the things that he touched, pretty much turned to gold. In fact there is a great letter from Roddenberry to him about the script of Star Trek II. It’s hilarious if you ever want to see it let me know, if you haven’t already? Keep doing what you’re doing your analysis of where Star Trek is today is spot on excellent.
"The First Live Action Star Trek Comedy" was already done years ago: it's called Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home, and it's still funny.
...and Deep Space 9 which is mostly best comedy series in ST franchise.
The movie is very funny, but it is NOT, THE HELL, SO CRINGE, like everything labeling itself comedy nowadays
@@RUR70 DS9 was funny at points but it was more a space epic sci-fi with some wholesome points of levity...YOU"RE.......OUT!
Wessells and the mouse computer communicator
Well, TOS had at least a couple of, what I would classify as, "comedy" episodes. The Trouble with Tribbles and I, Mudd.
The former had _more_ comedic elements to it, but I find it hilarious watching and hearing the Enterprise Crew frying the logic circuits of those robots in I, Mudd.
Star Trek is not dead. I was just watching DS9 last night. It's a good as ever.
Whatever that crap they're pushing now is dead.
Bad fanfiction with a budget? Michael Burnham is a very obvious Mary Sue (which seems like a cruel irony)
@reniefuwa Is not fair to call it fanfiction. These people aren't fans. Some are indifferent to Star Trek. The rest of them hate it. No different than what's happened to Star Wars.
If you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend looking up Prelude to Axanar. That's fanfiction.
@@bubasmollett8610 anti-fanfiction, then. That is also a genre
Remember when B5 and DS9 were trying to one-up one another season after season? ... Oh, I gave myself a sad.
Try the series Star Trek Continued - a fan film effort. It's really very good. I will re-watch it.
"We changed the recipe for Coca-cola so that it now includes onion juice. "
"How dare you Coca-cola fans dislike it just because it's changed! You're no real fans!"
What hapened? People used to like Star Trek, then Star Trek began to shit on itself and its audience, and suddenly people don't like Star Trek. What a mystery!
no mystery. Abrams said it clearly "always hated Trek.."
@@jv-lk7bc Did he? Where can this be seen?
Because social media happened. Extreme opinions and pointless contrarianism and outrage is the currency. It used to take effort, talent and expertise to expose one’s opinions to a larger group of people than the two or three bods in the pub. Now any old tosser can fart their opinions into a roiling, vast crowd of morons and bask in the resulting cheers. Hell, if you’re smart and boson-hearted enough, you can even monetise it with a UA-cam channel, where you can be a Poundland Charlie Brooker and add so much bum gas to the “debate” that, if you’re lucky, some people may even be able to nasally discern your own particular skunk-scent in the soupy, toxic cloud.
By 2005 everybody was just over with this franchise in general, no wonder it sucked. And most of the attempts to appeal to a new audience were mediocre at best
The Star Trek series died after the Star Trek Enterprise series finale
It is sad that there are people out there who consider the kids 3D animated show as "True Star Trek"
That was just an end to more new Trek. It didn't ruin what came before. Star Trek survived periods without new content before. It died when Jar Jar Abrams made his accursed movies.
@@Gorbz Oof, that pile of cg sh*t really wants to be The Clone Wars.
Na when voyager ended.
Died after ds9 finale. What a shitty way to end that show.
Roddenberry would be appalled and saddened of what these "people" have done!!
I doubt it, Roddenberry was extremely left leaninh and push as far as he could. He would be excited how far left it's gone. I left star trek over a decade ago
@@David-ys4udYou didnt really understood Star Trek or Roddenberry. Roddenberry was an old style liberal but he was a based man. These new "people" are neo-liberals , very very different monster: destroyers of humanity and culture. Roddenberry cherished diversity and aspects of human culture, having high standards of morality, having value on intellect and culture. The neoliberal and woke people are exactly the opposite of this.
Roddenberry spent the 80s addicted to cocaine. If he was alive today, he'd be thrilled to support this stuff, in exchange for a few more grams of nose candy.
@@David-ys4ud I dunno. He was a liberal, but that doesn't mean he was a Leftist. The man did have optimism and cared about humanity (and not just his own portion of it.)
@@normusdoar Leftists. Leftists are so extreme that true liberals are appalled by their behavior. I can respect and talk with liberals and do. Leftists would rather just call me a 'phobic' or 'racist' before I even opened my mouth.
There's no Star Trek after Enterprise, and they can't convince me i'm wrong. Easy
I whole-heartedly second that.
@@Kiljaedenasthirded
It ended at deep space 9 or Voyager for me
It ended with Nemesis for me. I don't know why people liked Enterprise when it had stuff in it like a pregnant male in the first season, that's what lead to what we have now.
@@Eric19877 Enterprise did have a clunky first couple of seasons as it was trying to find its place...but once the Xindi arc kicked off THAT's when it really started to shine.
Kurtzman, Kennedy, Feige, and Davis. Destroyers of franchises
Don’t forget Feige. The four horse’s asses of the IP apocalypse are literally in competition with each other to see who can piss off the Fans the most….
@artamussumatra6286 hear, hear. Fixed
And they are trying to steal Shiva's title "Destroyer of Worlds".
Lucas destroyed Star Wars by selling it
@Demon-Psychiatrist I always wondered why he felt it necessary to sell it in the 1st place. It's not like he needed the money.
You know what I discovered more than 15 years ago? After being disgusted by the JJAbrams evisceration?
If I never watch it, it doesn't exist.
This is why God created classic series DVDs. 😉
Before that, he created Fotonovels (but I wore out my copy of The Trouble With Tribbles until the thumb-damaged edges fell off the binding.)
I do this with everything. As far as I'm concerned 2015 Star Wars never happened, Warhammer Age of Sigmar also never happened.
Star Trek died for me when the words "Time Crystals" were used to fill the plot holes...
Yeah I remember things like "the temporal apiture is generation massive anount of chronoton particles!"
Time crystals don't seem that bad by this point lol
Star trek, like all other creations die with thier creators, in this case Gene Roddenberry.
The reason tng , ds9, voyager and even enterprise were good to great is because the people working on those properties respected gene and the source material.
@@Lando00100that's bad
Star Trek been dead since the 1st Kelvin reboot movie, which is one of the most annoying shaky camera induced movies I've ever seen. 🤮🤮🤮What more of the entire trilogy itself. 👎👎👎
Is it just me, or were these properties better when they were made by nerds for nerds?
This is the equivalent of the high school jocks and cheerleaders discovering D&D and changing the very core of it so their peers would like it more
And then finding that their peers are still not interested but continuing, just in case they change their minds.
@@BumfluffAddlepate it's called an analogy for a reason. Jocks are the popular people. In the world of Hollywood, the drama nerds are the jocks
Very apropos
I personally think the TOS was the best and they did that on a shoestring budget
I wish jocks were making Star Trek.
At least then it'd be a fun pew pew pew boom boom show and it's not even that
56 y/o fan here. As I sat with a Trek fan group at a local con last year, I felt old, and could see the end of Trek coming. Most of the visitors passing by were decades younger than the average age at our table, into some kind of manga, and didn't even look at us, never mind express an interest in joining. There was an irony to me, considering that Trek initiated the whole con thing (so long ago,) and these young, non-Trek fans probably have no idea...
I’m a third-generation Star Trek fan. My great aunt gave me the book renditions of all the original series episodes, plus the book versions of the animated series. I own all the movies and the five different series on DVD. We exist, I promise. We just aren’t plentiful.
The 10th rule of acquisition. Greed is eternal.
This ain't greed tho.
@@mryellow6918 The 19th rule of acquisition. Satisfaction is not guaranteed.
@@mryellow6918spite?
A contract is a contract is a contract… And Paramount unfortunately keeps on signing them.
No, just about all Hollywood movies now are propaganda first and foremost, then effects and then characters which now have no depth as the woke!!@mryellow6918
Idk much about Star Trek but i think it's all been down hill after Anakin blew up the Death Star.
😂😂😂
Look up alfox he made a version on it
"Do you know how many Tholians died when that thing blew up?"
You're mixing Star Trek up with Space 1999 there m8. Honest mistake. Could happen to anyone.
@@harbl99 I saw an expert I'm sure he said it was Luke that blows up the death star 😂
The stupidest thing about them becoming Vulcan is Vulcans aren’t born with logic, they have to learn it and train constantly.
My thoughts exactly.
Precisely. Vulcans are naturally extremely violent, but they are trained from birth to control their emotions. Kurtzman literally doesn't even understand the basics.
I watched half of season 1, saw they were taking notes from The Orville, but I still had my doubts and said I'll wait for a season or 2. That was 100% the moment I realised these people won't learn. They're trying to take you on a tour of paris and they say bon joe yurrr as your tour starts.
@@katethomas1519 I watched all of S1, it felt more like classic Trek, but Season 2 episode 1 was the end for me. The show was a bait and switch and went back to being Kurtzman Trek. He has no respect for Star Trek, and now it's just a farce, and he's laughing about it. No respect, very sad.
Yeah, and it’s said that emotions run deeper in Vulcans than in humans so they should’ve been raging
These adult pretenders are so phony. They, "Can't Wait!" and, "So EXCITED!" for their project to come out? Yeah, sure you are. You cashed the check, that's all you want to know.
They remind me of the director who claimed to have been a fan of He-Man, then killed (and double-killed him for permanence) in the first episode, and then went on to say that he had never liked He-Man in the first place.
@@TheRenofox I think someone also did a timeline of his life versus when the show came out originally and they didn't line up at all. His whole story of what he remembered growing up and so forth was just complete BS.
The thing is, Vulcans take a lifetime to master logic over emotions. The non Vulcans would not have the discipline to follow logic. So they'd just be angry all the time, we've seen that before in Enterprise.
its more like many lifetimes...like in genetics ;) and you also dont become black if you run very fast :))
@@SirTimotheusTheThird
Dud what you talking bout bro. Thats how I became black
When I was a young adult, it was bad to be a Star Trek nerd. Now the show is mainstream and cool people have stolen our nerd stuff. Now they are bastardizing and politicizing it. I won’t watch.
You’ve hit the nail on the head. They’re incapable of making a good Trek, because they don’t know what they’re doing and never will.
Leftists can’t make real Trek because they reject the Humanities, Enlightenment values, and true Liberalism which are everything Star Trek is really about.
I do not consider anything past Voyager to be canon. No Gene? No Majel? No Star Trek.
I'm good with that, but Gene was already pushed out halfway through season 2 of TNG.
Agreed - 'Enterprise' was a po-faced, humourless, appalling show. However, The two-episode 'Terran Empire' arc set up Georgiou to be the Empress in 'Discovery'.
@@nexus_of_a_crisis Shran was the only good thing about it. Same actor who played Brunt and Weyoun in DS9. The guy who played the Vulcan was pretty good, but they played havoc with the Vulcan back story in that show. Hated it for that reason alone.
Galaxy Quest, The Orville, and Picard Season 3 are part of the Historical Documents.
@@anonygent Yea, but we still had mother.
As a huge fan of Section 31 in DS9.. dear lord I hate everything they've done with it.
They used to, you know, be really good at being secretive and run by intelligent characters. Now it's ... this. Parading around in uniforms, announcing themselves to everyone, trying to rip off a certain Squad.. why couldn't they have given the franchise to the guy that fixed Picard? He seems to actually like it.
We are not gonna talk about the Klingon K-pop
That episode dose not exist in my reality
Wait, that was real? I'm not a trekkie so i thought it was a meme.
@@alexneff💯💯💯
@@kingmeruem6657 it’s a catchy tune, but it’s not Star Trek so we have to pretend that it doesn’t exist and I’m not a Trekkie either
@@alexneff So it's real...🤣🤣🤣
I'm so glad I, almost, exclusively watch anime.
Emotional people are easy to control. Logical people refuse to be controlled.
Feminism is slave morality.
january 6th showed the world that
@@this.is.a.username of 75,000,000 trump voters only 713 of them were arrested for january sixth..
For logic you condemn 75,000,000 people for the actions of 0.00000013% of them you are rhe emotional illogical brainwashed numpty you think others are.
You need Jesus Christ badly in your life turn from your wicked ways before its too late...
-a concerned Jesus, Truth and Logic believing sinner(just like you)
Its baked into our education system. People are taught what to believe instead of how to think for themselves. Belief is an emotional response and they use fear constantly to lead these lobotomized people by the nose
By "my stamp" she means like a boot stamping on the human face of Star Trek, forever?
Fast approaching, Star Trek has been dead since Discovery and every other major franchise.
Enterprise already killed it hard enough that JJ was able to take over to make a demo reel for his audition to ruin Star Wars.
ZombieTrek has been shambling about looking for brains for decades. If zombies could starve it'd be dead.
I liked New World's first season at least. I think I liked the second too. That being said, all I can remember about it was that I liked the lower decks crossover a lot.
I also liked Picard season 2. Blew my mind. Can't remember a damn thing about season 3.
Think just about all of lower decks is good.
Don't have good feelings about its future though.
@@ColtScarberry I'd reply, but my first reply comment already got deleted.
I hated Discovery. Aliens peeing, drug use and Star Fleet was a train wreck.
Star Trek went in a downward spiral ever since they retconned Sulu to be gay. From that point on I ignored Star Trek because I knew it would get worse from there.
I hate when characters get retconned to make them into self inserts Of the actors who plays them.
And George Takei hated the decision. He said I’m an actor and the character is straight, it’s called acting for a reason. 😂
Your loss man. Everything after the original series up until Discovery has been some good TV
Relax. I misunderstood. I thought maybe they meant original series made him gay which would have been news to me. Relax
@@OutofTouch-wg6ey Good TV. Now that's something to hang your hat on.
@@0oo00 Every series after had a rough start sure and some bad episodes. Absolutely. Still some damn fine TV. Enterprise included. I like all the films too. Even JJ Abrams first 2
"The needs of the few or the one outway the needs of the many." -Star Trek 2024
"It's dead Jim."
😂 well said!
But not as we know it!
Just like jurassic park : "Never asked if they should, only if they can. . ."
"What You Leave Behind" is the end of Star Trek
Jake and Kira are still staring out of that window
Actually Voyager and Enterprise has steadily grown on my more than DS9
@@LukeLovesRosethey’re not as good, but at least they feel like Star Trek. You have that feeling of an extended family that you follow on a journey
… just doesn’t happen post-Enterprise 🫤
@@BugsyFTO No. These shows did not reach the heights of TOS or TNG. But I actually liked Voyager and Enterprise more of DS9. I never got into the constant, stagnant soap opera feel of DS9
From 1970s to early 2000s, i absolutely loved Star Trek.
That bastard creation of Abrams killed ST for me
This modern ST isnt ST.
Even Picard season 3, is so dark on the sets plus full of swearing.
I couldnt give a shit about ST anymore.
They have killed it.
They certainly dumbed it down and made it for the lowest common denominator. The word I would use for it nowadays is GHETTO. DEI has ruined EVERYTHING worth a damn. There are A LOT of things we just do A LOT better and trying to put them in everything is the DUMBEST idea ever.
They didn’t do anything. Stop whining.
@@harvestercommander3250 REEEEEEEEEE 😂
@@Burns_RED wow that’s real mature.
So Abram’s killed ST for u but u watched 3 seasons of a zombified start trek in Picard? At least the Abram’s movies didn’t disrupt canon and balanced out being a good movie with paying homage to the past they’re pretty good
What Star Trek will save in hiring low-rate B-list actors with no genuine talent, they will more than lose in actual fans who respect the history and lore of the series.
I highly doubt it will be the actors they're going to save on. It will be the sets and action, leaving well-paid woke celebrities talking to each other over a green screen.
Axanar was that. They set lawyers loose on it to kill it.
Well I mean to be fair the original show was b listers
Star Trek died before JJtrek even was made. Paramount has always hated Star Trek and tried to destroy it from the time they took over Desilu studios.
Jj was the final nail I'm the coffin. Anything after was jsut dancing on the grave
the movie Serenity did it so well, at the end when Malcolm Reynolds is confronted by The Operative, with the man whos been tracking them the whole movie, this man has killed, tortured and allowed good people to die;
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds : So me and mine gotta lay down and die... so you can live in your better world?
The Operative : I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... any more than there is for you. Malcolm... I'm a monster. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done.
thats the difference and why his character was so, chilling. He knew what he was doing was bad but it had to be done so ordinary people can live in peace. This show is going to try and make the show runners just misunderstood rogues, with feelings just like you and me.
He was such a great villain. I can’t believe Marvel wasted him like they did.
Star Trek has been dead. Theyre literally beating a dead horse.
Whack! Whack! Whack!
They are flogging the skeleton to dust.
Star Trek been dead since the 1st Kelvin reboot movie, which is one of the most annoying shaky camera induced movies I've ever seen. 🤮🤮🤮What more of the entire trilogy itself. 👎👎👎
Literally?
@@mr.sinjin-smyth Very much agreed. Plus the ugliest redesign of the iconic Enterprise that has ever been consigned to screen. I still remember, after all these years, the moment I laid eyes on the Enterprise-D, designed by Andrew Probert. Hard to explain the sensation. "She's so beautiful that it hurts" is the sentence that came to my mind at the time. I tend to be dramatic at times.
This... Jar-jar abomination... on the other hand... made me want to puke.
Section 31 should be a TV series with titles such as:
"Moral Ambiguity"
"The End Justifies The Means"
"Friendly Fire"
"False Flag"
And yes, it should have a bit of Mission Impossible in some of the episodes.
Her stamp 🤔 mean stank it's going to be God awful.
These aren't the people to pull that off. Also, all Trek under Kurtzman has taken on a nasty, toxic, dystopian tone. In Picard season 1 his old first officer is an alcoholic and drug addict in a world that supposedly solved those issues. Kurtzman-trek shows a civilization in decline, and if you want that, look to literally any other scifi or even the news. The optimism is what made Star Trek unique but these people are too stupid to realize that.
Fanfiction, no matter how bad, is at least written by people who understand the source material. This drivel is, if anything, anti- fanfiction
Hell, some fanfic is of higher quality than the official stuff. Just look at Axanar, Pacifc-201, or or Continues.
I have been saying this for a while now. Fanfiction is written by people who love the source material. This crap is created by people who hate the source material.
Antifanfic and corpfic are the terms I've been referring to it with
Star Trek boldly went where no fan wanted to go years ago.
You win with this comment.
😂❤❤❤
It's like they've taken Star Trek which is a show for intelligent people and watered it down to appeal to people who watch Transformers and Godzilla movies.
Precisely.
The level of self entitlement and simultaneous cringe is astonishing
"Getting indoctrinated by my lessers." 😆 I've never heard it so concisely and _savagely_ put.
Star Trek died in 2005. Then in 2009 they reanimated it as a shambling undead corpse. God, i can't believe that this awful JJ and Kurtzman Trek has lasted for 15 years, which is almost as long as Rick Berman and his run of good Star Trek.
Original Spock always considered being called Human an insult. He even went through a rìtual to purge all emotion. He responded with positivity when compared to a machine.
Nu Spock is Spock in name only
Closed captioning had his name coming up as Spark.
Section 31 is SUPPOSED to be about "the ends justifying the means", about killing to prevent killing, about the few being willing abandon their ability to live in their society so that the many safely can. It's not about good defeating evil, it's about accepting that sometimes only evil can defeat evil in an imperfect world/universe where everyone doesn't think like you. It's SUPPOSED to make you THINK, not LAUGH.
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
Literally means “in times of war, the law falls silent” and Sloan’s actions are extremely abhorrent, but effective, and likely saved the post dominion Alpha Quadrant from more war.
That was one of my favorite episodes. And there are times when I say that to some people, after I translate it for them. They get so angry but I tell them. Sometimes you can't Beat evil with good. Sometimes The only way to deal with evil is with evil. Darkness against darkness. The woke and the left have destroyed everything. Look at the opening ceremony of the Olympics. I am disgusted. I have love Star Trek for yeand I vowed that if ever, I encountered aliens and it was taken out into space, I would do something to build a starship enterprise and come back to Earth.
The secret department to violate the prime directive?
@@animejanai4657more like Federation Black ops, easily disavowed, and lets the rest of the Federation keep their “hands clean” in ignorance. They’re supposed to be secret, unlike the black ops of other races.
The discussion and morality of them when you take into account their methods and results is some of the best writing in the show IMO. Easily on par with the best Picard speeches.
@@Samuel034 One of my fav scenes of all time. I regret I didn't write the quote myself lol. The debate of whether you maintain your principles but allow the entire Alpha Quadrant to be destroyed or literally commit a genocide of the race that thinks nothing of killing or enslaving you all. There is no right answer, no perfect solutions in an imperfect world/universe. To paraphrase Sisko, "It's easy to be an angel in paradise, but the world/universe is not paradise". There are only imperfect solutions you can learn to live with and someone has to be willing to get their hands dirty for them, so "I can live with it...I CAN live with it...computer, delete that entire personal log".
For me, Star Trek has died with the first movie of the new timeline, by JJ Abrams, who also killed Star Wars.
Fast Approaching? it died years
"What I love most about modernity, is trying to get indoctrinated by my lessers" - absolutely nailed it! Cinema, television, what these "creators" lack in intelligence, they make up for in arrogance
Star Trek ended at "Nemesis".
I've been a fan since 1978, watching reruns when I was 4.
And introduced my four children to it. We haven't consumed the a minute of "The Message" Trek. Thank for putting this out there.
Star treks been dead since nemesis. They have been puppeting the corpse like its weekend at Bernie's since then.
The next gen films were mostly terrible themselves (though first contact has it's moments) but yeah, since then it hasn't been star trek at all.
Trek died with Roddenberry.
they've been puppeteering the corpse since then. at first, it was ok. they added just a little more human drama. it started to rot and stink with the tng movies; it turned into action schlock with a sci-fi setting.
The best thing of all is that Star Trek is alive and well, mainly because it ended all production 20ish years ago. What this is is Kutrzman Trek, the downward pinnacle of a sham show based on a valid IP. Star Trek encourages us to try harder, to want to be better and dream of a better world that we can create and contribute to. Kurtzman Trek encourages us to be dumber, more self-absorbed and self-involved, and more angry without reason.
I have been watching Star Trek since the original was aired on tv in the 1960s. Creators today have lost the idea of Star Trek. They have made it worse. There was a reason why people loved the old Star Treks. Now they have come to dislike Star Trek very much. They should try to find out why. It's sad. Give me the OLD Star Treks back! My all time favorite was Next Generation. They have twisted Star Trek into something that is almost not recognizable. It clearly is nowhere near the level of the old Star Treks.
Star Trek died years ago. It randomly came back for a quick finale with season 3 of Picard, but that corpse was quickly beaten back down and burned by what has been released since
Star Wars = Murder Mystery
Star Trek = Spy Heist
wtf is going on.....
like star wars, they are CREATIVELY BANKRUPT........and of course all they care about is DEI and all that other evil sh##.....
It's the "Modern Audiences" fever. Are you feeling modernized yet? No? Well, prepare to be called a bigot...
yes a "Murder Mystery" that had no mystery to it. who wants to watch that crap?
Star Wars has been desecrated. Star Trek has been desecrated. Doctor Who has been desecrated. Superman (and worse, Supergirl) has been desecrated. All of these classic franchises are being sacrificed on the wokeness altar. And they're dead, all of them. They were great shows that used to sometimes have a message, but that have turned into a message that has a show... and the message is as banal and indelicately delivered as a gorilla hitting you on the head with an uprooted sapling.
On point observation! It’s bad like REAL bad.
This was the first video of yours that I’ve watched. Brilliant. Thanks for the insight and the laughs. 😊
"Its dead Jim."
"Damnit Jim,I am a doctor,not a scriptwriter.
God I miss old trek😵💫
Q: humans are apes
Picard: that is not true.
Q: points at homelander
Yes he has and this insane Section 31 thing is going to do far more damage than we ever thought.
A literal Black Ops group who makes bioweapons to kill off entire speices is represented by some stupid Zoomer music now.
and section 31 was the antagonist that break the laws and ethics of the Federation. and they want to make them to the protagonists.... madness
@kirgan1000 didn't they use the same logic with the Acolyte? Let's make the sithcool edgy and silly, no one will ask questions!
@@kirgan1000 You can make a Section 31 story good, it would have to be the type of show or movie that highlights how very blissfully ignorant the citizens of the Federation are to existential threats.
Think of an Orion Syndicate attempt to take over the Federation through implanting a Slave Girl near key Starfleet personnel and them slowly moving towards the President of the Federation.
And have Section 31 need to be brutal to the whole group trying this, it could be female focused as men are easily taken over by the Slave Girls, it would have a "whamen powaa!!" message and have the jokes of men going stupid for a beautiful woman.
While keeping to the theme of the group in having to do brutal things to keep the Paradise of the Federation safe and have the characters struggle with the morality of it until coming to the sort of Sisko conclusion at the end of In the Pale Moonlight.
But they don't have the capability to have moral ambiguity and present people doing horrible things to safeguard people from other horrible people, the characters HAVE to be seen as good otherwise their self-inserts aren't the "good guys".
It's ez bud just disregard everything beyond ENT as corpo Slopfic. 😊
@@UncensoredScion First I like the Psi Corps story, and think Bester is a very interesting antagonist, in Babylon 5.
But I totally reject your idea, in DS9 Section 31 was a Cancer on the federation, that need to be removed. What you describe is that Section 31is a vital organ for the Federation. Hence make the Federation to its core dark, that is not that Star Trek is about.
It is truly fascinating to see so many new Star Trek shows that no one will ever, ever watch. It's truly mind-blowing and I don't think there is anything comparable. They're literally making these shows for no-one.
The point of stoicism isnt to suppress emotions. Its to develop logic to supercede emotions, the way a parent directing a child is not oppressive but necessary. Of course, we perceive the world with intuition as well. The Vulcans are a more extreme case of stoicism, which Star Trek explores.
A great example of stoicism is that even when you feel like breaking down, it's keeping a straight face to appear strong in the face of adversity. The concept originated in ancient Greece with the idea of handling the emotions without letting them overwhelm you, and the logic of Vulcans personifies this idea as they focus on logic and intellect while suppressing the physical demonstration of emotions
I was at a shop the other day, and they completely hanged one of the products I regularly buy. I said aloud, "control Al, you MUST learn control!" and the shop attendant laughed gleefully and said "yeah, we need to constantly not rage these days" and laughed. She was a young girl btw.
At this point I wonder why skydance would want to keep Kurtzman given all the brand damage he has done to Star Trek.
Maybe his production contract is that tight.
@@TheSolidSnakeOilMost likely as Paramount seemed hellbent on utterly destroying Star Trek.
Omg. Why do they keep bringing in people that seem to truly hate star trek and appear to be actively engaged in destroying it. It is nauseating.
ST is more dead than Vampires. At least they're cool and have missionaries. They even have pamphlets.
That's mormans
Always entertained by your content, it's awesome!
I used to be a HUGE Star Trek fan. I tuned out after STD S1, tuned shortly back in for Picard, had a stroke watching it, tuned out for good.
Hate to tell you, but it's been dead since 2009. The worst people possible have it now.
Wrong.
@@harvestercommander3250 Copium overdose 😂
@@Burns_RED you have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@harvestercommander3250 Projection 😂
Go back to threads, woke NPC. Your echochamber with other drones is there.
@@Burns_RED define woke.
Could you imagine Gene Roddenberry or Rick Berman allowing cast members to talk that way about any Star Trek series?!
Umm. I haven't seen that episode of Strange New Worlds where the rest of the bridge crew becom Vulcans, but as a fan of Star Trek I can already see an absolutely critical flaw in the writing.
If you transformed a human into a full Vulcan, they'd instantly become a huge mess of massively overwhelming emotions, lacking any Vulcan logical conditioning. The logical element of Vulcans is trained - it's artificial - their natural state underneath all that repressive indoctrination is to be extremely passionate and emotional. It takes decades for them to think or act like Spock or Sarek. The writers are total idiots.
"Coyboy Diplomacy",
Aren't these the same people calling Cowboys "problematic"?
Kurtzman says the words but doesn't understand them. He thinks they're a magic spell that will get nerds to come back even as he spits in our faces.
Cowpersons
I think the upper tier left is setting a honey pot to make the left wing ideas so unpalatable that we just agree to wipe them out: LGBTQ - back to the loony bin, Blacks - back to Africa, Mexicans - back to Mexico, women - lose the right to vote and own property.
These left wing ideas are so openly hateful of anyone who isn't them you naturally have to be against them. You rarely find any lefty who can support all of them.
Depends on the type of Cowboy.
Clint Eastwood "make my day" types: Bad
Village People "Assless chaps" types: good.
Star Trek has been dying a slow death since JJ Abrams movies.
JJ Abrams sucks at everything he makes.
to be fair,the first one was not bad i saw alot potential in there...
there was alittle (strange in it) the second also wasnt bad (but the strangeness increased) well and then it went only down from there :))
these guys in hollywood dont get how to put the good old stuff into the future like for example top gun did
_"All good things must come to an end... "_*.- Q*
@@SirTimotheusTheThirdthe first one was an insult to the original series. The second one was an insult to the most loved Trek movie, Star Trek II, and I cannot ever be botheted to give the third one the time of day. The ugly monster they turned Enterprise into for thos terrible movies. And that was Romulans, the bald bikers flying a giant sea anemone? And Khan having magic blood to bring people back from death? Yeesh! Awful stuff.
@@jamiebraswell5520 never said it was perfect,those old movies also arent perfect...
but for the new movies if you wanna know what was truly nxt lvl,without a doubt,
the cast!,and dont get me wrong who ever wrote there dialogs or the story should finish school,
the music/sound also hits hard,
the atmosphere in 2 is fantastic,
benedict cumberbatch...
what a fantastic choice,the synergie between the captain spock and khan is for sure worth it (even if i dont like all that (different timelines stuff eather )
still, kill the captain instead of spock had something.
also you dont get eye cancer like watching those old movies (at least the first 2)
even in part 3 i would think those aliens look alot better then in the old movies :)
wasnt all gold back then...
They seem to be going out of their way to make every kind of “Star Trek” show except anything with the tone of 80s/90s Star Trek that so many of us fell in love with.
Warning...I'm about to go on a rant. How do I hate thee? Let me count the ways... My Star Trek love affair began as a junior high schooler in 1966. My Sci-Fi-loving dad bought our first COLOR TV just so we could see Star Trek in COLOR!! We were glued to the TV each week. I tape recorded the episodes so I could learn the dialog and repeat it. My nerdy friends and I would gather together in a friend's parents' basement so we could write scripts and act them out. I joined an actual Star Trek club in college in the early 1970s. I went to as many conventions as I could. I watched everything the original cast starred in, read everything that mentioned Star Trek. Yes, I was an TOS Trekker. I feared The Next Generation, but the crew (played by competent actors) assured me that they understood what Star Trek was all about. The OTHER Star Treks followed; some episodes I liked, others...not so much, but they seemed to still understand what was at the heart of TOS, so I nodded and said, "Well, we are getting older." Some of the movies were wonderful and some were duds. Always hoping we might see TOS with a younger cast that understood the canon.
Then JJ Abrams came onto the scene. And I thought, "Star Trek meets Star Wars." Don't get me wrong...I love eye candy as much as the next person (I'm looking at you, Chris Pine). I thought the real stand outs (besides Leonard Nimoy, of course) were actually Zachary Quinto who did a really nice homage to TOS Spock and Karl Urban as Bones McCoy.
And then THEY arrived: Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds (with Section 31 in the wings). I was in shock from Picard and only really enjoyed the season (not exactly sure what those first two seasons were about). I tried to watch Discovery and I couldn't get past the first episode of the first season. I did tune in again to watch all of the SNW tie-ins during the second season because I had high hopes for it.
I forced myself to watch Lower Decks (meh, it was passable). I still haven't watched Prodigy. I really wanted to love SNW. I was suffering from TOS withdraw. I found that I liked the cast and the characters (for the most part). Okay, I accept that they wanted to do some experimenting...Thank God it wasn't Discovery level...but there was that musical (I won't go there). I'm hoping they won't jump the shark this season.
"And then THEY arrived: Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds (with Section 31 in the wings)."
Yes, those are the bad ones. I won't watch them.
My advice: go back and watch the old ones that were good: TOS, TAS, TNG, VOY, DS9. ENT was so-so for me. Didn't much care for the Abrams movies. The older movies were good though. They felt like ST and were. The woke mind virus ruined ST, so for me it died with Discovery. I tried Strange New Worlds, and it started okay but something was off. It was so dark, like a horror movie. And the wokeness pops up. It feels forced. I just can't force myself to try anymore. It's just not the same show. I will re-watch the old ST and classic Doctor Who. I won't watch the new stuff, but it's not the same show; it just has the same name.
One more thought: see the fan film series on youtube called Star Trek Continued. It's really excellent. It's the old TOS characters with new episodes.
Well said.
@@thinkforyourself2109The returning to previous storylines are good. If you haven't seen either "Star Trek: Renegades," "Star Trek: Horizon," or "Pacific 201," you might enjoy them as they're good if you focus on the plot and storyline. They're made with care for the franchise and at least Renegades had Trek alums (Russ and Koenig) involved
While it's intended more for a younger audience, Prodigy is actually good and ties into the canon. A few of the story points are a little strange, but suits the previous entries around the post-Voyager period
Star Trek died when Paramount chose to "reboot" the "franchise" rather than building new and aspirational characters and stories. When truly fans saw where the JJ Abraams directing was trying to do and criticized Paramount, they decided to ban every single one project that would will stay true to the storyline of Gene Roddenberry's initial creation. Galaxy Quest, Star Trek Continues and The Orville have more relevance to the ST universe than Paramount's latest movies
I’d rather you identify as something rather than say, you don’t identify as either since it’s so trendy to decide you don’t wanna choose. Refusal to choose a gross sign of your immaturity. And that bleeds into other facets of life too, if you’re not emotionally mature enough to identify as either male or female, you’re not emotionally mature enough for anything PERIOD
It's funny because it's born out of a fad and a changing of definitions. There's nothing wrong with being a woman who just so happens to like mostly male things. We used to call that a Tomboy. Now it's "Gender non-conforming female-presenting."
The same people that said "Don't label us" and "Labels are harmful" created a million labels to substitute for a lack of personality and growth.
Well said brother!
5 year olds know what sex they are. If you don't know what sex you are, you're not immature, you're mentally ill.
@@Unethical.FandubsGames The part that annoys me most is how they pretend that social conventions built around guiding people who can benefit from a clear path when life is complicated (gender roles) are somehow inescapable shackles of a rigid and moralizing society, all because they got teased for not doing the expected thing as a kid, or their parents would like to have grandchildren someday. We're supposed to pretend that people have not always been able to do pretty much as they please, and that women never wore pants, or something.
"You know who would make the best spies? People who stand out like a sore thumb wherever they go."
-Section 31 probably...
And, coincidentally, the same exchange could be used to describe assassin's creed shadows.
Strange New Worlds : How to Queer Your Audience, 45 Minutes at a Time .
"Look how they massacred my boy." - Vito Corleone
Vito Roddenberry
"Guardians of the Galaxy on steroids" to explain SECTION 31!?
I honestly thought nothing could be more insulting to an IP than "Rings of Power", but I was wrong. That isn't just not knowing or understanding Star Trek, that is willful destruction of it. I honestly think Michelle Yeoh was too embarrassed to be there in person.
From the trailer, it looks to be set in the Zack Snyderverse.
@@rogerborg "Through A Mirror, Stupidly"
Every major nerd fandom has one of those these days. LotR has Rings of Power, Star Wars has TLJ and The Acolyte, Star Trek has... this. I guess you can chalk the Snyderverse for DC and the lion share of phase 4 for Marvel. DnD has also been hit with the "Modern Audiences" stick.
@@sparking023 It kind of feels like this has all been a long term plan to bully the geeks and nerds by destroying everything we enjoyed.
It is refreshing to see video from youtuber who understand ST complexity.
Alex Kurtzman is doing to Star Trek what Kathleen Kennedy has done to Star Wars.