@@gravybiscuits3887 Bingo is an automatic warning call from the aircraft saying there is only enough fuel to return to base. "Joker" is only enough fuel to perform the planned objective and return. The F-16 has small fuel tanks and a powerful engine-- not a lot of playtime.
"Cleared to kill, cleared to kill, he's a bandit, bandit!" If that doesn't get your heart-racing and the hairs standing on the back of your neck, I don't know what will!
+CornerrecordZ Nope, more like its the original tape which has been run through the aircraft recorders, debrief players, wiped and reused time after time after time. I've seen a lot of RAF footage on the original tapes which looks just as bad as the tapes have been used over and over again.
@@kevinstraus1478 Bullshit; the F16 had a digital recorder, you literally saw it in action when it switched to the FCR display. This recording has probably been put onto a tape and ran a fuckload of times before being re digitized again.
What I really appreciate about this unedited version of the tape are the human factors - the edited CNN version makes it look like a heroic kill but instead what we have is a veteran flight lead following the ROE and trying to make sure his clearly junior wingman is locked onto the right bandit and tracking him. When they actually fire the flight lead reacts like he should have and assumes an enemy missile in the air toward him, slicing down low and ensuring his wingman is following him. Very good leadership showing the complexities of air combat and the decision making process, not just "press a button" and kill like the abbreviated CNN footage would imply.
You are very right. I am an USAF Weapons Director (AFSC: 1C551D). I currently do the job of the guy you are hearing on the ground watching this all take place on radar, GCI (ground control intercept). This is truly amazing footage and comm back and fourth to hear. I've only heard a bogey dope call in a real life situation once....controlling over Syria (damn russians). The comm we use has changed a lot but the same message is being passed. Excellent leadership from the flight lead. That #2 of the bandit group is lucky as hell Benji02 didnt lock his ass up too.
Cool experience, when I was stationed at Luke AFB I got to see the jet 90-0778. It was I believe in the 308th or 310th FS. It has a green star signifying it's victory. When I went to Korea, the pilot was now a 4 Star General, and Commander of the Pacific Air Forces. Since I was at Osan AB, ROK (which was only 30 miles from North Korea) he routinely flew with us. Well he went to visit our unit and our hallway lights were broken waiting for repair. I was walking and hasn't noticed his jacket. Mind you, I was so used to fighter pilots because I was a Crew Chief I almost paid him no mind. So I got really close and in the dark with his dark leather jacket with black 4 stars on the shoulder last minutes I was like OH SHIT. I went to attention so quick I looked like a glitch in a video game (customs and courtesies were a big deal with commanding officers and my unit since we were the tip of the spear.) He asked me how was I and we had a short conversation and shook hands, gave me a "carry on." I proceeded to go right to the shitter and relieve myself since I had almost shitted myself from almost getting chewed out. (He was held on extremely high regard.) Nice guy, and that was my story with the pilot and jet that killed that MiG.
yeah but situational awarness in a mig 25 is not very good, he might know there was something scanning him but where from or how far away he probably did not know. the aim 120 only begins giving warning signs about 10 km away and by that time its way too late to do anything especially in the mig 25.
AIM-120C5 is often credited with the MiG-21 Bison kill, but no Su-30 MKI were shot down. Su-30s and Pakistani F-16s exchanged R-77 & AIM-120 missiles BVR, but both used evasion and countermeasures to defeat them.
@@reway8750 The sources I have seen indicate there were multiple RVV-AE missiles launched at PAF F-16s. India won't confirm that of course, because it exposes their actual limited WEZ. Notice how India began acquiring Rafale/Meteor and is aggressively pursuing their own BVRAAM program. They have complained about reliability problems with RVV-AE even before Feb 2019.
@@the.real.cia.langleyNo Su 30 missing reported. Aim 120s were fired but they all dodged as Iaf showed the wreckage of Amraams.IAF flew the same Su30 during Independence day fly past.
HUD video is bad because its just used as a training aid, and they aren't trying to film the trip like its a movie. they do however have high quality cameras in the tracking pods and other systems.
It's important to remember that this was recorded on magnetic tape. The original is copied and the copy is copied over and over until the tape quality is degraded to this.
@@devilsoffspring5519 It's quite possible, yeah. The pilot is going to start with the first copy, and he'll copy it for some friends who'll copy it for some friends and so on and so forth until someone puts it on UA-cam. You can find some VTR tapes here on YT (Sunliners Mig-21 shootdown from Desert Storm is a good one) that actually look really good and some that look much, much worse than this.
@@RandomShit169 Jargo is the "Bingo" aural warning a number chosen by the pilot? I think I once heard that "Bingo" is the amount of fuel need for RTB....return to base. That would be a different value on each mission.
@@rael5469it's been a year but noone answered so I will. Yes, the pilot computes his bingo value during the planning and then inputs it to the jet, once a bingo warning goes off he should set the next bingo to "previous bingo - 1000lb" in order to keep track of how much he has without checking the gauges.
You launch in STT if target can maneuver, like a fighter. You use TWS only when target can't maneuver well or at all, like bomber or cruise missiles. As if target pulls high G turn when you are in TWS mode, the target update delay causes you to lose a soft lock and requires you to find it again and lock it again, wasting valuable seconds for that. And with AESA radar you don't need that anymore as you can constantly tack target while scanning area for others. But you will give hard lock on target.
@@TheFri13 Actually, SAM is the better option for maneuvering targets ~20 miles, perhaps with an adjusted scan volume if you want to maintain SA. This would've been a good opportunity to employ DT SAM.
I play a lot of dcs really proficient with the f18 and now learning the f16 as a hobby these guys it’s their job and the methodical tactics call outs BRA bearing range angels the bullseye callouts are so second nature and critical it really is a game of chess and cat and mouse Style war. Imagine what the world war 1 aces Red Baron should have thought seeing the f16 such an absolute beautiful aircraft. Listening to this is hair raising couldn’t imagine doing it for real the stress and training must kick in I love the idea how their goona do a simultaneous kill. As the saying goes we don’t want it to be fair.
@@jameshetfield3105 You’re forgetting, DCS is a combat SIMULATOR. it actually does translate over because it’s heavy research and implementation over the aircraft and it’s flight manuals. I can confirm that start-up and operation of the F-16 irl and in DCS is the same. The only missing thing is comms, and that’s a vital part of the job.
he had to wait to aquire a visual identification, a waste of amraams range. Where the ROE restrictive for bvr that day or the awacs couldnt identify the bogeys as bandits? His nctr however failed completely :P
That's the difference between film and video tape. Video tape degrades and nothing can be down about it. Film if kept cool and dark lasts a lot longer. Now, everything is digital so in theory can be preserved indefinitely. Same reason some films and tv series from the 60's is in better shape than those in the 80's.
Neither. Their purpose meant the tapes were not Betamax or even VHS quality. It may be hard for noobs to understand Southern Watch was a very, very long time ago and (rugged) camera technology was different. You could take better video with any modern phone (which did not exist in the OSW era, I was among the 33 AMU engine troops who worked 778) but the recorders back in those days had MECHANICAL tape drives built to survive a 9+ G environment. WWII fighters would experience structural failure before pulling9 G's. (F4U Corsair was about 7.5 positive/3.5 negative). Modern video is amazing by comparison and dirt cheap. Film video cameras (in that era film had the highest obtainable resolution) were still used in recon birds but the key advantage of HUD tapes was rapid post-mission debrief which was critical to planning future missions. Tape was fast and does not require a (bulky, requires an expensive complex developing room in a mobile shelter along with more valuable deployment manning slots to work the gear) darkroom facility to process. Tape of course could be copied easily. Debrief is the main reason for cameras on fighters. Recording cool stuff is fun but not why they were installed.
Question for american: do the USAF hire ground control personnel with deep, very american-y, radiophonic, voices as requirement? I swear there was a point i'd expect some kind of Mike Breen's "THE F16 WITH NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE!" P.S.: i know it sounds more like SPURS home commentator, but you got the idea.
No, but you're trained to speak with a certain cadence. I'm a former GCI controller, and correct inflection and cadence is nearly as important as the information you're giving. You don't want to be hysterical over the radio like your hair's on fire, but neither do you want to sound like Steven Wright. Correct inflection and cadence can also help convey urgency when needed. The pilots do the same, just listen to the flight lead about a minute before he launches: his pucker factor is so high you couldn't drive a needle up his ass with a sledgehammer. However, his voice is calm, yet urgent. Controllers, both GCI and AWACS, are taught the same. So yes, in a way the USAF trains you to speak in a certain tone and with a certain cadence. That said, there's a lot of non-standard comm coming from the controller, but this could be down to two reasons: 1, it is a real-world life and death situation, and in those situations sometimes what we call "trucker comm" is acceptable as long as it enhances situational awareness, and 2, it's 1992 and the C2 and pilot community weren't as anal about comm back then as they are now.
sh0ckv3l he had every regard for human life he could have fired right after he got the green light but he radioed back and made sure he herd it right because he did not want to kill someone who was not out to hurt his fellow airmen
I wonder why they waited so long to fire the missile. 5 miles is way to close within MAR. Another thing i noticed was he was jamming within the burn through range.
@@kamraam1464 I mean he has a point. It took the leader of the sortie so much time to give the fighter a clearance that a bandit with the intention of fighting would've easily shot down these F16s. 4 miles in almost point blank for a AIM120.
@@Brokkolesz Yeah, and the second the Mig showed aggression, they would've fired on him. If the mig turned in, started locking the F16s, etc. they wouldn't need AWACs clearance. That's enough justification to shoot.
I think during Russian Afghan war also Pakistani air force shoots many Russian air crafts with lethal F16 but I don't know much more about this because I'm a little kid this time.
MrAlepedroza No russian plane have shot down an American plane.....you must be getting confused with s400(ground to air). Because in a dogfight usa made aircrafts always take the victory.
The black screen with the white text is the radar display of the F-16. The little circles with triangles in them are the bandits (enemy aircraft that are locked in track while scan mode.) The other display you see is the Heads up Display of the aircraft.
Now that's interesting, great shot, but it had to be in visual due to rules of engagement delaying the firing. I hope it's realized that this shows (along with many other such records) that close in visual combat is still gonna be the rule in modern warefare, due to IFF problems and restrictions, PLUS the closing speeds. Even if you can fire at BVR, the closing speeds and circumstances will still result in visual, close in combat. This is why the AIM-120 has that capability, and why Sidewinders and 20mm are still needed (and why the F-35 program was a bad idea wiht the compromised airframe design and no guns on the USN and USMC models, I mean duh). Salute to the USAF. What also amazes me is the AWFUL quality of all these 'gun camera' like videos of the HUD, just lousy quality, despite the ultra advanced quality of the other equipment on the AC. I hope they have fixed that crap, since it really would help intel gathering as well as history. WW2 and Korea gun cam footage is far better than that we get off modern 4th and 5th gen warplanes. The video in a digital pocket cam is better than all of these HUD vids, even now.
What do you mean by IFF problems & restrictions? In regards to the rest, the F-22 is a BVR aircraft, its capable of visual fighting but it's main strength lies in it being able to engage well before the enemy realises he's being targeted. I suppose you fire at the target and then turn outbound away from the target, since its fire and forget, so are closing speeds an issue how?
Remember, this was a long time ago by digital standards. Radars give a much better IFF these days and the video display was actually poor quality back then, as anyone who knows military equipment, its better than top of the line when it comes out, but it isnt recycles as quickly as commercial. So this F-16 probably had 1980's gun camera on it.
+Miike Hunt It's not a digital recording at all, it's analog magnetic tape, like VHS or Beta. WWII gun cameras seemed higher quality because they used film cameras to record their action. But putting a film recorder on a modern aircraft would be too heavy and bulky (not to mention unreliable), so they used analog tape. The quality is somewhat poor and it degrades over time, but it gets the immediate job done; remember, these recordings weren't meant to look good, just to document the basic facts of the flight. Today these systems have all been upgraded to digital recordings and have much higher quality.
+HMSDaring1 Well, IFF can always fail, you never are 100% sure that you are targeting enemies, it could be neutral. BVR missile used by the Raptor is AIM-120 AMRAAM, it's fire & forget but this term is true only to some extent. For instance you can fire the missile BVR for example at 30 nm with high closure target (head on), but you can't at this point stop painting the target with radar untill the missile activates it's own radar (the pilots call "pitbull" when it does). While it's still better than supporting the missile all the way to target (like SARH Sparrow), you don't simply fire & forget. It should be called fire, wait & forget ;-) unless you fire from close range at which the missile goes "maddog" right of the rail - doesn't require a radar lock at all.
i love that responce, cleared kill cleared to kill,, "MIDGEY. " thats it eh, thats a he needs to say to confirm hes goin to ded em, i was thinking, fckin hear the computer,, Bingo,,bingo, , real killing machine love it
Mujtaba Almodhafar no, do your research, it was Operation Southern Watch and it was a Mig-25 Foxbat who broke off from the several other Iraqi Fighters dodging in and out of the 32nd parallel.. The Foxbat than got trapped too far into the no-fly zone where it was then shot down by Lieutenant Colonel Gary North
TRAIL HACKER no do your research, it was Operation Southern Watch and it was an F-16 Fighting Falcon, it was the first F-16, and AIM-120 AMRAAM Combat Kill in the USAF
Lol that's how you know its an F-16, getting the bingo bug just when things are getting interesting
the viper sure loves slurping fuel
D Models hold considerably less than single-seaters.
They were in the middle of a refuel when the MiG-25 was reported, so they loaded up with as little as they could get away with
Bingo bug?
@@gravybiscuits3887 Bingo is an automatic warning call from the aircraft saying there is only enough fuel to return to base. "Joker" is only enough fuel to perform the planned objective and return. The F-16 has small fuel tanks and a powerful engine-- not a lot of playtime.
2:57 classic F-16 moment going bingo immediately after one engagement 🤣
Lol true but usually the pilot sets the bingo limit prior to flight
by design
"Cleared to kill, cleared to kill, he's a bandit, bandit!"
If that doesn't get your heart-racing and the hairs standing on the back of your neck, I don't know what will!
"Benji 41 clear to kill clear to kill" "He is a bandit bandit"
2-mile shot! That's is well withing pitbull range! Almost break-X range!
that tape must be a copy of a copy of a copy xD
are there any more clear videos or more recent ones?
+CornerrecordZ Nope, more like its the original tape which has been run through the aircraft recorders, debrief players, wiped and reused time after time after time. I've seen a lot of RAF footage on the original tapes which looks just as bad as the tapes have been used over and over again.
haven't these people heard of Digital media storage... Jebus
Blame USA digital was not in airplanes back then
@@blameusa7082 this was 1992 how fuckin young are you?
@@kevinstraus1478 Bullshit; the F16 had a digital recorder, you literally saw it in action when it switched to the FCR display. This recording has probably been put onto a tape and ran a fuckload of times before being re digitized again.
never seen the full tape of this only the shitty news shortened version. awesome.
wow it's krause
TheNuuthei o hai
Krause I love your vids. I learned so much.
What I really appreciate about this unedited version of the tape are the human factors - the edited CNN version makes it look like a heroic kill but instead what we have is a veteran flight lead following the ROE and trying to make sure his clearly junior wingman is locked onto the right bandit and tracking him. When they actually fire the flight lead reacts like he should have and assumes an enemy missile in the air toward him, slicing down low and ensuring his wingman is following him. Very good leadership showing the complexities of air combat and the decision making process, not just "press a button" and kill like the abbreviated CNN footage would imply.
You are very right. I am an USAF Weapons Director (AFSC: 1C551D). I currently do the job of the guy you are hearing on the ground watching this all take place on radar, GCI (ground control intercept). This is truly amazing footage and comm back and fourth to hear. I've only heard a bogey dope call in a real life situation once....controlling over Syria (damn russians). The comm we use has changed a lot but the same message is being passed. Excellent leadership from the flight lead. That #2 of the bandit group is lucky as hell Benji02 didnt lock his ass up too.
Good thing their FCR was working that day.
Cool experience, when I was stationed at Luke AFB I got to see the jet 90-0778. It was I believe in the 308th or 310th FS. It has a green star signifying it's victory. When I went to Korea, the pilot was now a 4 Star General, and Commander of the Pacific Air Forces. Since I was at Osan AB, ROK (which was only 30 miles from North Korea) he routinely flew with us. Well he went to visit our unit and our hallway lights were broken waiting for repair. I was walking and hasn't noticed his jacket. Mind you, I was so used to fighter pilots because I was a Crew Chief I almost paid him no mind. So I got really close and in the dark with his dark leather jacket with black 4 stars on the shoulder last minutes I was like OH SHIT. I went to attention so quick I looked like a glitch in a video game (customs and courtesies were a big deal with commanding officers and my unit since we were the tip of the spear.) He asked me how was I and we had a short conversation and shook hands, gave me a "carry on." I proceeded to go right to the shitter and relieve myself since I had almost shitted myself from almost getting chewed out. (He was held on extremely high regard.) Nice guy, and that was my story with the pilot and jet that killed that MiG.
Thank you for sharing 🙏🏼
Wow! Thank you for sharing and thank you for your service! Never forgotten!
still there 310th now cool paintjob lol
Colonel North was the Wolf (Wing Commander) at Kunsan AB in 1999
310th, the Tophats
Why is the HUD footage of air to air kills doctored so heavily before its released to the public?
Due to weapon systems symbology being shown, sensitive information such as launch envelopes and min/max ranges are shown on the HUD and MFD
The bandit didn't fire anything? Really strange that they came so close to each other. It was well inside the MAR - could be also deadly for F-16D.
yeah but situational awarness in a mig 25 is not very good, he might know there was something scanning him but where from or how far away he probably did not know. the aim 120 only begins giving warning signs about 10 km away and by that time its way too late to do anything especially in the mig 25.
@@yujinhikita5611 he had warning signs from the beginning, the f16 hard locked him.
Export verision of mig 25 dont have IFF
really?? That seems like a given. @@3arlie
Most likely tied to a ground radar operator. Probably didn't have any situational awareness.
Did they fox at like 2.5 miles?
Fox 3 was at 5 nm according to first call at 18 miles, and then subsequent FCR radar range auto-bump down
That link pasted all over the bottom of the screen sure looks cool!
Fox 3!
Latest kill of this missile was Mig 21 & Su-30 of Indian Air Force, both were shoot down by Pakistan Air Force fighter jets exactly a year ago
AIM-120C5 is often credited with the MiG-21 Bison kill, but no Su-30 MKI were shot down. Su-30s and Pakistani F-16s exchanged R-77 & AIM-120 missiles BVR, but both used evasion and countermeasures to defeat them.
@@LRRPFco52 Su-30 didn't get to fire anything at all in the engagement
@@reway8750 The sources I have seen indicate there were multiple RVV-AE missiles launched at PAF F-16s. India won't confirm that of course, because it exposes their actual limited WEZ. Notice how India began acquiring Rafale/Meteor and is aggressively pursuing their own BVRAAM program. They have complained about reliability problems with RVV-AE even before Feb 2019.
@@reway8750 Because it was shot down.
@@the.real.cia.langleyNo Su 30 missing reported. Aim 120s were fired but they all dodged as Iaf showed the wreckage of Amraams.IAF flew the same Su30 during Independence day fly past.
Considering all the fancy tech the US Air Force had even back in 1992, the video is pretty rough!
1992沒有gopro haha
HUD video is bad because its just used as a training aid, and they aren't trying to film the trip like its a movie. they do however have high quality cameras in the tracking pods and other systems.
It's important to remember that this was recorded on magnetic tape. The original is copied and the copy is copied over and over until the tape quality is degraded to this.
@@jonathanbaird8109 Fair enough I guess, but is this a 10th generation copy?!
@@devilsoffspring5519 It's quite possible, yeah. The pilot is going to start with the first copy, and he'll copy it for some friends who'll copy it for some friends and so on and so forth until someone puts it on UA-cam. You can find some VTR tapes here on YT (Sunliners Mig-21 shootdown from Desert Storm is a good one) that actually look really good and some that look much, much worse than this.
Did that f-16 just say bingo after they hit the mig? 😂
ThatFlyGuy It means low fuel
@@RandomShit169 Jargo is the "Bingo" aural warning a number chosen by the pilot? I think I once heard that "Bingo" is the amount of fuel need for RTB....return to base. That would be a different value on each mission.
_"...and if you drive the Viper then you gotta drink it fast 'cause this aint a time to loiter and we aint got the gas!"_ - Dos Gringos
@@rael5469it's been a year but noone answered so I will. Yes, the pilot computes his bingo value during the planning and then inputs it to the jet, once a bingo warning goes off he should set the next bingo to "previous bingo - 1000lb" in order to keep track of how much he has without checking the gauges.
@@emkaes7625 Thanks for replying. Appreciate it.
Did he track the target with STT-mode cause the other targets dissapear from the scope when he locks the leader up?
Depending on variant.. im guessing this was A variant... so prolly
It's STT, you can see that from the Radar MFD, also the aircraft was an F-16D Block 42. F-16 number 90-0778
You launch in STT if target can maneuver, like a fighter. You use TWS only when target can't maneuver well or at all, like bomber or cruise missiles. As if target pulls high G turn when you are in TWS mode, the target update delay causes you to lose a soft lock and requires you to find it again and lock it again, wasting valuable seconds for that. And with AESA radar you don't need that anymore as you can constantly tack target while scanning area for others. But you will give hard lock on target.
@@TheFri13 Actually, SAM is the better option for maneuvering targets ~20 miles, perhaps with an adjusted scan volume if you want to maintain SA. This would've been a good opportunity to employ DT SAM.
@@jonathanbaird8109 DT might not have been in this Block or Tape?
Very cool!
i hope pakistan air force posts the video of the Su30 and the mig21 being shot down in kashmir
I play a lot of dcs really proficient with the f18 and now learning the f16 as a hobby these guys it’s their job and the methodical tactics call outs BRA bearing range angels the bullseye callouts are so second nature and critical it really is a game of chess and cat and mouse Style war. Imagine what the world war 1 aces Red Baron should have thought seeing the f16 such an absolute beautiful aircraft. Listening to this is hair raising couldn’t imagine doing it for real the stress and training must kick in I love the idea how their goona do a simultaneous kill. As the saying goes we don’t want it to be fair.
I don't think DCS really translates over to a real aircraft lol
@@jameshetfield3105 ohh my bad I meant to say it’s a hobby of mine not that I was a real pilot.
@@TheCraigHudson Oh gotcha, sorry for the misunderstanding
@@jameshetfield3105 It does to some extent, what's missing are those conversations - which makes a huge deal (permission to kill and that stuff).
@@jameshetfield3105 You’re forgetting, DCS is a combat SIMULATOR. it actually does translate over because it’s heavy research and implementation over the aircraft and it’s flight manuals. I can confirm that start-up and operation of the F-16 irl and in DCS is the same. The only missing thing is comms, and that’s a vital part of the job.
Mig 25 was not a good air to air fighter. Got swept from the skys as did a few Mig 29s. Although I will like Migs as an fan
Mach 3 Mig-25s were meant for suicide missions against B-70 Mach 3 bombers. Shoot them down or ram them. A one way trip.
It was an F-16 D. Was anyone in the back sit?
The back seat was empty that day.
No it was empty
oh hell yeah. slammer.
he had to wait to aquire a visual identification, a waste of amraams range. Where the ROE restrictive for bvr that day or the awacs couldnt identify the bogeys as bandits? His nctr however failed completely :P
Best comment.
Turn on the fricking captions!
DASH99ER hey idiot, u have to turn it off yourself. What a dumb fuck hahaha
@@89turbomk3 He said ON, numbnuts! The captions are auto generated and hilarious
no he didn't wait for VID, he was going to but then got "cleared kill" so he shot
👍👍
Since this was an F-16D I wonder if anyone was in the back seat of that thing when that happened
the crew in fighters is always fully staffed
@@vincentvoncarnap There doesn't need to be someone in the backseat of a 2 seat F-16
@@F22raptor46 well if they're gonna use an f-16 with only one person they should just use a one-seat variant
@SpiralShape yes but the aircraft that was used was an F-16D. Look up F-16 tailcode 870. They've given it a special desert camo paintscheme now
Choke on this
Thank you Diz.
another russian funny plane down :)
Shot down Mig 25 Foxbat. 1992 I Guess.
Dec 27, 1992
日本語分かる方いたら教えてください、
f-16がMiG25に勝ったって事でしょうか？
Yes
He could have pulled the afterburners. Was he even aware of the f16s? In one incident 10 AAMs were fired at two mig25 by f15 and none of them reached.
P-51s had better gun cams.
That's the difference between film and video tape. Video tape degrades and nothing can be down about it. Film if kept cool and dark lasts a lot longer. Now, everything is digital so in theory can be preserved indefinitely. Same reason some films and tv series from the 60's is in better shape than those in the 80's.
Are they censoring those footages or they filming with calculators?
It is a video from fucking 1992 wtf are you expecting😂😂😂
They're recorded on video tape. The original is copied, and the copy is copied and so on and so forth until it has been so degraded that you get this.
Giannhs Siasios so? This makes WWII gun cam footage look like 1080p
@@iaiband ww2 happened at the bigger scale, i bet they will put more advanced cameras if gulf war goes that big and actually archive everything
Neither. Their purpose meant the tapes were not Betamax or even VHS quality. It may be hard for noobs to understand Southern Watch was a very, very long time ago and (rugged) camera technology was different. You could take better video with any modern phone (which did not exist in the OSW era, I was among the 33 AMU engine troops who worked 778) but the recorders back in those days had MECHANICAL tape drives built to survive a 9+ G environment. WWII fighters would experience structural failure before pulling9 G's. (F4U Corsair was about 7.5 positive/3.5 negative). Modern video is amazing by comparison and dirt cheap.
Film video cameras (in that era film had the highest obtainable resolution) were still used in recon birds but the key advantage of HUD tapes was rapid post-mission debrief which was critical to planning future missions. Tape was fast and does not require a (bulky, requires an expensive complex developing room in a mobile shelter along with more valuable deployment manning slots to work the gear) darkroom facility to process. Tape of course could be copied easily. Debrief is the main reason for cameras on fighters. Recording cool stuff is fun but not why they were installed.
Question for american: do the USAF hire ground control personnel with deep, very american-y, radiophonic, voices as requirement?
I swear there was a point i'd expect some kind of Mike Breen's "THE F16 WITH NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE!"
P.S.: i know it sounds more like SPURS home commentator, but you got the idea.
No, but you're trained to speak with a certain cadence. I'm a former GCI controller, and correct inflection and cadence is nearly as important as the information you're giving. You don't want to be hysterical over the radio like your hair's on fire, but neither do you want to sound like Steven Wright. Correct inflection and cadence can also help convey urgency when needed. The pilots do the same, just listen to the flight lead about a minute before he launches: his pucker factor is so high you couldn't drive a needle up his ass with a sledgehammer. However, his voice is calm, yet urgent. Controllers, both GCI and AWACS, are taught the same. So yes, in a way the USAF trains you to speak in a certain tone and with a certain cadence. That said, there's a lot of non-standard comm coming from the controller, but this could be down to two reasons: 1, it is a real-world life and death situation, and in those situations sometimes what we call "trucker comm" is acceptable as long as it enhances situational awareness, and 2, it's 1992 and the C2 and pilot community weren't as anal about comm back then as they are now.
sh0ckv3l he had every regard for human life he could have fired right after he got the green light but he radioed back and made sure he herd it right because he did not want to kill someone who was not out to hurt his fellow airmen
I wonder why they waited so long to fire the missile. 5 miles is way to close within MAR. Another thing i noticed was he was jamming within the burn through range.
to make sure it was really a bandit.
and the camera was from WW I
No
A BVR missile being used at 4 miles, those ROE will have to change in a real war
Wow thank you for your input sir, you a fighter pilot yourself?
@@kamraam1464 I mean he has a point. It took the leader of the sortie so much time to give the fighter a clearance that a bandit with the intention of fighting would've easily shot down these F16s. 4 miles in almost point blank for a AIM120.
@@Brokkolesz Yeah, and the second the Mig showed aggression, they would've fired on him. If the mig turned in, started locking the F16s, etc. they wouldn't need AWACs clearance. That's enough justification to shoot.
@@kamraam1464 Still a super hairy situation, this could've been a disaster in just a few different steps m
@@Brokkolesz if it was hairy for the side with the awacs, imagine how hairy it was for the iraqis. They had no idea what was going on lol
Mijjy
Awesome!👍✈️
I think during Russian Afghan war also Pakistani air force shoots many Russian air crafts with lethal F16 but I don't know much more about this because I'm a little kid this time.
zahid zada Not really, the only air to air combat there ended with the Russians shooting down an F 16. And that's pretty much all I can remember.
MrAlepedroza
No russian plane have shot down an American plane.....you must be getting confused with s400(ground to air). Because in a dogfight usa made aircrafts always take the victory.
John Tyler no bullshit the f-16 in question was shit down by friendly fire
I dont understand nothing in this screen someone explain me please
Lol xD
You must have learn it from websites.
@@franagorn but dont have explanation in my languague but wich name of this for a search
@@pho3_nix you play some simulators?
The black screen with the white text is the radar display of the F-16. The little circles with triangles in them are the bandits (enemy aircraft that are locked in track while scan mode.) The other display you see is the Heads up Display of the aircraft.
Now that's interesting, great shot, but it had to be in visual due to rules of engagement delaying the firing. I hope it's realized that this shows (along with many other such records) that close in visual combat is still gonna be the rule in modern warefare, due to IFF problems and restrictions, PLUS the closing speeds. Even if you can fire at BVR, the closing speeds and circumstances will still result in visual, close in combat. This is why the AIM-120 has that capability, and why Sidewinders and 20mm are still needed (and why the F-35 program was a bad idea wiht the compromised airframe design and no guns on the USN and USMC models, I mean duh). Salute to the USAF.
What also amazes me is the AWFUL quality of all these 'gun camera' like videos of the HUD, just lousy quality, despite the ultra advanced quality of the other equipment on the AC. I hope they have fixed that crap, since it really would help intel gathering as well as history. WW2 and Korea gun cam footage is far better than that we get off modern 4th and 5th gen warplanes. The video in a digital pocket cam is better than all of these HUD vids, even now.
What do you mean by IFF problems & restrictions? In regards to the rest, the F-22 is a BVR aircraft, its capable of visual fighting but it's main strength lies in it being able to engage well before the enemy realises he's being targeted. I suppose you fire at the target and then turn outbound away from the target, since its fire and forget, so are closing speeds an issue how?
Radar guided
Remember, this was a long time ago by digital standards. Radars give a much better IFF these days and the video display was actually poor quality back then, as anyone who knows military equipment, its better than top of the line when it comes out, but it isnt recycles as quickly as commercial. So this F-16 probably had 1980's gun camera on it.
+Miike Hunt It's not a digital recording at all, it's analog magnetic tape, like VHS or Beta. WWII gun cameras seemed higher quality because they used film cameras to record their action. But putting a film recorder on a modern aircraft would be too heavy and bulky (not to mention unreliable), so they used analog tape. The quality is somewhat poor and it degrades over time, but it gets the immediate job done; remember, these recordings weren't meant to look good, just to document the basic facts of the flight.
Today these systems have all been upgraded to digital recordings and have much higher quality.
+HMSDaring1 Well, IFF can always fail, you never are 100% sure that you are targeting enemies, it could be neutral. BVR missile used by the Raptor is AIM-120 AMRAAM, it's fire & forget but this term is true only to some extent. For instance you can fire the missile BVR for example at 30 nm with high closure target (head on), but you can't at this point stop painting the target with radar untill the missile activates it's own radar (the pilots call "pitbull" when it does). While it's still better than supporting the missile all the way to target (like SARH Sparrow), you don't simply fire & forget. It should be called fire, wait & forget ;-) unless you fire from close range at which the missile goes "maddog" right of the rail - doesn't require a radar lock at all.
i love that responce, cleared kill cleared to kill,, "MIDGEY. " thats it eh, thats a he needs to say to confirm hes goin to ded em, i was thinking, fckin hear the computer,, Bingo,,bingo, , real killing machine love it
Bingo is actually a bad thing you hear
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omfg what if instead of marklar it was benji..
"Benji! Benji?" a million times
Mig-21....... not mig25
Mujtaba Almodhafar no, do your research, it was Operation Southern Watch and it was a Mig-25 Foxbat who broke off from the several other Iraqi Fighters dodging in and out of the 32nd parallel.. The Foxbat than got trapped too far into the no-fly zone where it was then shot down by Lieutenant Colonel Gary North
Iraqi MiG-25PD interceptor, not MiG-21
it was an f 14 navy tomcat...
f14’s never carried aim 120’s
Notice the wingtip AIM-120 missing? F-16 without a doubt.
TRAIL HACKER no do your research, it was Operation Southern Watch and it was an F-16 Fighting Falcon, it was the first F-16, and AIM-120 AMRAAM Combat Kill in the USAF
When you cannot prove an assertion don't make one. Children make mistakes but they don't need to post. Watch and learn instead for your own benefit.
how does WWII footage look better than this
You're looking a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy and so on, of an original tape. The original recording no doubt looked much nicer.
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