and at the same time whole world working on new phone just to it work 5% faster same thing, may be theu have to remake whole spell recipe for that damn one skeleton
That’s why I only spend my gems on the goblin events to double my laboratory speed and pair it with research potions to quadruple it, spending gems on anything else is a waste
You sound like a low townhall player. As a th 16 it's already difficult to manage 3 dark elixir heroes each costing ~300k dark elixir around level 85-95 let alone pets. Dark troops should only be done by hammers from cwl so it's not a problem to upgrade them.
I think one of the main problems with the laboratory is the same issue as the builder base - there’s not enough builders so it takes forever to get things done
Do you guys remember the Clash-A-Rama Episode where an Assistant Builder wanted to become a Wizard? Maybe they could make it so you can sidegrade the Assistant Builder so he can become an Assistant Wizard too and help in the Lab
I generally just upgrade the stuff I use upon reaching a new TH, then just have it running in the background on whatever as I max all the buildings in my base before moving on, regardless of whether I’ve maxed the lab or not.
Same. I’ll save whatever books to help immediately upgrade the main stuff and I take my time on the rest. I usually finish all troop upgrades by the time I’m done with defenses / heroes and walls are the only thing left
@@JT_gaming123 All of mine need that or more, I’ve been pouring dark elixer into my heroes (and now pets since I’ve unlocked them, recently reached TH14)
It gets worse everytime there's a new troop or spell added because that's another troop to get a new level every town hall. It would have been really nice if the apprentice builder worked on the lab.
@RealKingFloppa I mean, he picks topics that occasionally have minuscule relevance and keeps on yapping about it. Havoc gaming also does that but atleast there are jokes. But here he does bland brain dead yapping for minutes on...that's the lore you are missing on blud.
I am 50/50 on this, i sort of enjoy having few months of downtime while my base is maxed out but lab and maybe even walls are lacking. Have fun in the college, i also just started 🎉
In short, laboratory needs to be split into three parts: -Normal lab(for normal troops/spells) -Dark lab(for troops/speels that are made in dark barracks/spell factory) -Workstation(for siege machine)
I wish you could upgrade one of each category. like elixir troops, elixir spells, dark troops and dark spells. But there is no way that lab takes longer than hero’s or walls
Tbh i feel like doing something similar to the pets would be awesome. Like being able to upgrade troops in the barracks and then dark barracks, then the different spells, and also the siege machines so that way you could upgrade one of each different type of unit in the game
I think it would be a good idea for a Wizard Apprentice, like how they have the Builder Apprentice, and maybe a second "Wizard" in the Lab as well so you can do 2 upgrades at once
The problem isn’t that the lab requires a ton of time and resources, or that it’s a bottleneck overall. The problem is that for certain th levels there are too many upgrades to max out your base around the same time as your lab. I’m a th 14 and I’ll actually finish my lab well before my base this time, but I remember th 12 being brutal
I’m at th12 right now, it’s absolutely absurd that it takes 50% longer than it does to upgrade all the heroes and building combined. I have to throw all my resources into speeding it up basically.
The only money i spend is on the goldpass, but with it, the lab is not really a problem. Skipping every month 1 troop and 1 spell helps a lot, then there are also the clangames and with raid medals you can buy 3 days of time every week. With all that, the lab really is no bottleneck
They could add quota system in the lab , e.g. E Troops, DE Troops , Spells , DE Spells , Seige Machines can be upgraded simultaniously , but not multiple of any one
I think a huge quality of life improvement for the lab would be to keep it one building but have it like the goblin researcher so you could upgrade 1 troop/spell for elixir and one for dark elixir at the same time
this is the reason why I'm so happy that I started COC when I was still in college (2014) - I just maxed my based/troops today (2024). 10 years 🎉🎉 ps: yes the upgrade time back then was so long than today, but coc was way more fun back then.
Coc could try increasing upgrade costs of everything in the lab for decreased time to upgrade troops. This will solve both the problem of lab uprades taking too long and the overflow of elixir everone has.
im at th14 and i kinda upgraded everything to max easily especially those requires elixir, just keep upgrading troops never let your lab go empty, upgrade upgrade and upgrade, there are still books and potions you can use after playing clan games/events,, maybe stop rushing the game too, just play normally and you can enjoy the game
Even rushers don't have this lab problem 😂 The time to max out army buildings and storages in your current town hall is already a lot, to max out one army in your lab.
No it will add 2 more buildings. My thought is there should be 2 sections inside the lab, one for elixir troop/spell and other for dark elixir stuffs. So you can upgrade both at a time.
@@kahviclips yes you can do that by if you wanna maximize your time you have to upgrade and use one army only so you don't have to wait days for 2 of your armies to be maxed, but if you wanna be efficient in wars then upgrading 2 armies (preferably air and ground) is the way to go
@@Thanatossssx here's my conspiracy theory: they added these broken ground troops so that players can try out ground troops and then nerfed it afterwards but they are still using it cause of habit and don't want to learn a new strat.
@@abuthahirumarhathab4201 "new strat" 😆 putting down 1-3 lava hounds and spamming air units to overwhelm defenses was a thing 10 years ago, ground attacks actually take skill because you need to understand pathing and deal with walls, so it's not surprising that people enjoy them.
@templeofdelusion both air and ground attacks have their own merit. Fireball rocket loon attack is one of the most coolest looking attack in chash of clans. It is an air attack btw. Also hydra does not look that bad. Also smash attacks do look cool as well. Just that supercell switching up a lot by buffing or nerfing a ground troop so that the strat I practiced now just does not work as it used to. But hydra has always been working. Queencharge lalo has always been working. Heck, even edrag spam is also working. Nothing has been nerfed or buffed about this army for years. any changes are due to new hero equipment.
@@abuthahirumarhathab4201 oh wow, you spam 10 year old attack after using hero equipment ability, so different and complex... The real reason they made ground troops viable is because spamming air for 10 years gets boring.
Idea - Add multiple labs. One for the Troops, another for the Spells and a third for the Siege Machines. Then just up the costs, that way people don't have a surplus of elixir all the time.
that would be a maximalistic option, at that point why not remove the lab and make the upgrades be done inside the barracks with an alternate tab, a realistic approach would be a second free slot from a certain lab level onwards or split the lab in two for either elixir and dark elixir or troops and spells, adding a building or a second slot to do that would be the same, but all this is taking into account the goblin gem helper which you cannot just remove from the game, you have to add into the lab without removing it
I just started this year as a free to play, and right now, im bored and tired of coc already. I want to log in and play. But with the build times im only logging in to check if any builders are available; if not i log back out. Its losing my motivation to play if im not there to actually and actively play
They have a dark barracks and a dark spell factory, even though they don’t actually cost dark elixir DESPITE in the lab. They should make it so both the dark spell factory and dark barracks cost DE to upgrade aswell as creating a seperate dark laboratory that also costs dark elixir to upgrade.
i mean if you separately compare the lab, hero and building times when maxing out it seems like a bottleneck, but in practise it just isn't, that is because you upgrade your heros and building at the same time you have enough time to research everything. Plus most people keep one builder to upgrade walls.
Im guessing youre a low th or just ignorant but it takes 4 years to max the lab starting from th 11 ans up (the th where times start to get long). If you min maxed and got all the research potions attainable in a year you'd get 156 days worth of potions. It takes about 3 years worth of potions grinding to shave about a year off, if that sounds fine to you well go figure
The biggest bottleneck is equipments, no amount of time and optimization is gonna get you sufficient resources to obtain and upgrade all the necessary ones
i completely agree with what you´re saying but i mean the games purpose is to grind and wait to complete upgrades. i mean how boring would it be, to max out your whole village in 2-3 years. i think the best solution for this would be to release new troop levels splitted each year. first year only "normal" elixir troops and spells. second year only dark troops and dark spells and so on.
Yeah I hit TH12 like 4-5 months back and aside from walls and lab upgrades, I should be maxed within a month or two. I think my lab alone will need an additional 2 months. I can’t imagine my walls needing more than a month
they wont split the lab in 2, if anything they need more space for new buildings in new town halls, so they might even make more merged defenses like wizard towers and mortars, or even the collectors and storages
One thing you forgot to mention is when you upgrade to a new TH ypu het a boost that maxes your troops lvl that the laboratory allows, but you need to upgrade the lab to get that boost and at higher TH levels the lab takes longer to upgrade than the boost lasts so you either need to spend gems or magic iteams to finish the upgrade quick enough in order to get the benefits from the boost
If you have gold pass in higher town hall then you can actually catch up In 28 days you can do 60 days worth of upgrading. Like 3 reasearch potion × 4 weeks = 12 days 1 book of fighting and 1 book of spell. Minimim 10 + 10 = 20 days. So in 4 months we can finish 8 months lab upgrading. Plus if you participate in clan war league earn at least 240 medals then you can save 20 days each month. So in 5 months we can finish 1 year worth of lab upgrade.
A possible fix : so let's imagine that we can pay 500 gems for the builders apprentice to go through wizard training or something, and then maybe that wizard training takes a week, after that week the builders apprentice can start boosting the lab for 1hour and boost the building for 1 hour as well, the amount of time saved would be determined by his level as it already is, so a level 6 apprentice would save 6hours in the lab
Well, for me I firstly upgrade the troops and spells that I use and then just keep upgrading the rest of the troops while upgrading the buildings and heroes and I don't see any problem in this, at least for now
The pet house lowkey falls into the same category as the lab now. Maxing out all of them is gonna be crazy. It'll be made even worse by the fact that it costs DE exclusively. Ps, upgrading the wall breaker is kinda important for super wall breaker armies tho
They should just make it so you can research an elixir troop, a de troop, an elixir spell and a de spell all at the same time. 4x efficiency. Same cost. Same building. Or same idea but one elixir thing and one de thing at a time.
1. Introduce Dark Laboratory 2. Siege machine upgrades are done in the workshop instead of labs 3. Can train stuff in dark barracks and normal barracks in parallel rather than queue (this is how it used to be) so a balloon and lava hound can train simultaneously rather than having to wait for one to finish
I am sorry to say but I maxed out my laboratory stuff a month or two ahead before maxing out my buildings. 🌟Pro tips :- 1. use hammer of fighting and hammer of spell on most time consuming & most costly troops and spell. It will help your laboratory to maxed out way faster than the buildings. 2. And for those who think that we should buy hammer of building instead of fighting, bro we already have 6 builders and buying hammer of fighting will give you 2x Value on same price. And if you still buy hammer of building instead of fighting then bro you are noob, just accept it.....
If we have barracks and dark barracks, spell and dark spell factories then why don't we have dark laboratory? I will grind if there is dark lab so that i can upgrade faster.
I find that staying at TH10, gives good balance myself. I attack at my level, so all good here. Its called GREED, and Supercell and Tencent are making a killing with current setup.
i only use the goblin builder to upgrade troops. it takes so much time and i would like to have a permanent 2nd research slot once we reach the level 7/8 lab (when we can upgrade dark elixir troops)
Just keep your lab busy always. Never idle. And make it the first building you upgrade at every level , use the hammer on it , or book. That way when buildings are done, walls are done, troops and spells will be done. Provided you play and farm your ass off and have no life.
I find myself consistently using the Goblin Researcher to keep up with all the labs - and I only just got to TH9 😂 It’s gonna get crazier the higher I go I know.
At a certain point yes but once your th is high enough you don’t always have the resources anyway to have everything going all the time. So it’s alright I guess
Tbf, if y don’t upgrade ur wall breaker, ur super wall breaker won’t break the wall of the respective TH y are in. So if y have a TH14 super wall breaker, y ain’t gon break a TH15 all with only one of them
the people in the comments doesnt seem to understand that the laboratory first functionality is to upgrade your current army, if you use multiples then just upgrade your top priority, second the laboratory is a "bottom neck" simply because it meant to not stop upgrading and even if it is you just need to use potions and books, third the time that it takes to upgrade everything to a th12 is 4 month the heroes and structures, and only 7 months for laboratory, bcs the game is meant to make you spend resources on walls when you dont have anything or very little. or you could yk, just go to the next town hall if you find issues with having the laboratory bottom neck.
I’m at a point now where I can only use elixir and gold by upgrading walls. I have like 6 dark troops, 20 hero levels, and 14 pet levels to use dark elixir on. And of course it’s the beginning of the month so I can’t upgrade heroes because of cwl so I’m just sitting on 500k dark for a few days
i really hate the lab, which is party why i use as basic an army as i can, i only max out troops i use, everything else is "if i have time" especially given its always full and there seems to be a new level or new troop all the time these days
Goblin builder is pretty much useless since there are more important things to use ur gems on *aka builder huts, apprentice builder etc.* only use he rlly serves is for the higher ups that alr have all huts + apprentice maxed out other then that it doesnt help new/mid game players whatsoever.
Eveeyone keeps saying "just add more buildings bro" supercell already said they are making bases smaller BECAUSE of the 100% required for a 3 star smh. Add another slot thats all
before i watch i think the lab pre th10 is a bottleneck its upgrades last longer than most other upgrades but after th10 the upgrade duration starts to be in the 5-10 day mark so the lab is gonna be maxed earlier than other buildings
I love how wizard work for like 13 and 12 days just for bat spell and Skeleton spell to spawn one extra bat and skeleton lol
Huge quality change lmao 😂
Scientists work for decades to make the pill that cures your cold not give you acidity
It has turned into a meme now😂
and at the same time whole world working on new phone just to it work 5% faster
same thing, may be theu have to remake whole spell recipe for that damn one skeleton
That’s why I only spend my gems on the goblin events to double my laboratory speed and pair it with research potions to quadruple it, spending gems on anything else is a waste
A dark laboratory, only meant for dark elixir troops/spells would be a nice way to speed up the process by 2x
Might aswell just add a second researcher instead of taking up space lol
Or let the apprentice work on researches.
Tbh they could allow for another upgrade section inside the lab for dark troops/spells when reaching specific level
Mainly when reaching th9 or later
You sound like a low townhall player. As a th 16 it's already difficult to manage 3 dark elixir heroes each costing ~300k dark elixir around level 85-95 let alone pets. Dark troops should only be done by hammers from cwl so it's not a problem to upgrade them.
Or they can add a boosted speed by spending more resources, which leads people to play more
I think one of the main problems with the laboratory is the same issue as the builder base - there’s not enough builders so it takes forever to get things done
Good luck in college btw
library
That's on purpose so that in the long run you'll spend more time in the game.
Library
He's confused but atleast he knows what he's saying 💀😭
Agreed. The lab is so slow and, as a TH12, it is a real bottle neck for me.
same. celt i’m stuck building with everything…
Nice thing about the lab is you can use the goblin and the research potion to save a ton of time and get good value
@@aqz7603 yeah the video fucking said that
Wdym,ive already maxed everything th12 yet my walls are not 🤣😂😂
@@urhead1o152How?? What did you do with the gold when you were farming elixir for the lab?
Increasing the limit will be the best thing allowing 2 updates at the time is what we need
best place to do so is at TH7 when you get dark elixir
Or you know, only upgrade what you use...
They could add a Lab Assistant like the builder's apprentice but for the lab.
They would start to add apprentice for everything, lab apprentice, builder, training, heroes I know
Could be a wizard apprentice/wizard assistant or somethin.
I think they could advertise it as the Wizard Apprentice
Do you guys remember the Clash-A-Rama Episode where an Assistant Builder wanted to become a Wizard? Maybe they could make it so you can sidegrade the Assistant Builder so he can become an Assistant Wizard too and help in the Lab
Nothing needs it but the lab@@elcrak1896
I generally just upgrade the stuff I use upon reaching a new TH, then just have it running in the background on whatever as I max all the buildings in my base before moving on, regardless of whether I’ve maxed the lab or not.
Same here, upgrade the main points of your army. Then just plod along maxxing as and when you can
Exactly that's the right way
Same. I’ll save whatever books to help immediately upgrade the main stuff and I take my time on the rest. I usually finish all troop upgrades by the time I’m done with defenses / heroes and walls are the only thing left
My dark elixir troops need like 2-3 levels for some of them lol
@@JT_gaming123 All of mine need that or more, I’ve been pouring dark elixer into my heroes (and now pets since I’ve unlocked them, recently reached TH14)
It gets worse everytime there's a new troop or spell added because that's another troop to get a new level every town hall. It would have been really nice if the apprentice builder worked on the lab.
I only max the troops I use, not a problem. Clan mates can donate the siege machines
bro had a vission
Return of the holy yapper. 🙇♂️
🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣😂 but this time atleast yapping about something that is a real brainer🥲
Why is everyone calling him a yapper did this guy do smth wrong, pls explain to me guys I'm really missing something here
@RealKingFloppa I mean, he picks topics that occasionally have minuscule
relevance and keeps on yapping about it. Havoc gaming also does that but atleast there are jokes. But here he does bland brain dead yapping for minutes on...that's the lore you are missing on blud.
@@RealKingFloppanah hes just stretching a 4 minute video into an 8 minute video for monetization
Being able to do troop upgrade and spell upgrade both at once will make for a good change .
How is this not a thing yet
Nope 1 elixir troop/spell and 1 dark elixir troop/spell at once would be fine
I am 50/50 on this, i sort of enjoy having few months of downtime while my base is maxed out but lab and maybe even walls are lacking.
Have fun in the college, i also just started 🎉
Yeah most players just want to upgrade town halls as fast as possible. I also like having downtime enjoying the town hall I'm in.
3:07 seeing them not target defenses is weird
yup haha
they can simply divide it into three sub compartment in the lab for troops , seige & spells .
In short, laboratory needs to be split into three parts:
-Normal lab(for normal troops/spells)
-Dark lab(for troops/speels that are made in dark barracks/spell factory)
-Workstation(for siege machine)
a weird idea i have is having the builder apprentice help with all time reduction not only building rename it to apprentice
Or fix the apprentice pricing and make his brother the Research Apprentice
I started COC 10yrs ago...Laboratory never thought much about it
I wish you could upgrade one of each category. like elixir troops, elixir spells, dark troops and dark spells. But there is no way that lab takes longer than hero’s or walls
Laboratory, Heroes upgrade, and wall price are the only thing that i feel take way too long, especially with how fast new TH comes out
Ngl I thought you would upgrade the Siege machines in the Workshop…
Same 😢
They should make the Apprentice Builder work 2x harder on lab upgrades (so kinda like the donny and the spell factory clasharama episode)
I agree
Yea ngl that would be cool, he did remind me of Donny when I first saw him
Exactly what i thought
That's why lab assistant got added. Is supercell really listening to our suggestions?
Really nice video, i am always glad to see a new won pop up on my fy. Good luck with the college
Tbh i feel like doing something similar to the pets would be awesome. Like being able to upgrade troops in the barracks and then dark barracks, then the different spells, and also the siege machines so that way you could upgrade one of each different type of unit in the game
Simple solution, introduce one more slot. Like one for troops only and another one for seige and spells.
I think it would be a good idea for a Wizard Apprentice, like how they have the Builder Apprentice, and maybe a second "Wizard" in the Lab as well so you can do 2 upgrades at once
mad respect for trying to stay on time with videos even while at collage
two laboratories would make sense: one for regular elixer troops and another for dark elixer troops.
The problem isn’t that the lab requires a ton of time and resources, or that it’s a bottleneck overall. The problem is that for certain th levels there are too many upgrades to max out your base around the same time as your lab. I’m a th 14 and I’ll actually finish my lab well before my base this time, but I remember th 12 being brutal
I’m at th12 right now, it’s absolutely absurd that it takes 50% longer than it does to upgrade all the heroes and building combined. I have to throw all my resources into speeding it up basically.
The only money i spend is on the goldpass, but with it, the lab is not really a problem. Skipping every month 1 troop and 1 spell helps a lot, then there are also the clangames and with raid medals you can buy 3 days of time every week. With all that, the lab really is no bottleneck
They could add quota system in the lab , e.g. E Troops, DE Troops , Spells , DE Spells , Seige Machines can be upgraded simultaniously , but not multiple of any one
I think a huge quality of life improvement for the lab would be to keep it one building but have it like the goblin researcher so you could upgrade 1 troop/spell for elixir and one for dark elixir at the same time
And as for siege machines, make it like the pet house, where you upgrade them within the workshop itself
this is the reason why I'm so happy that I started COC when I was still in college (2014) - I just maxed my based/troops today (2024). 10 years 🎉🎉
ps: yes the upgrade time back then was so long than today, but coc was way more fun back then.
Coc could try increasing upgrade costs of everything in the lab for decreased time to upgrade troops. This will solve both the problem of lab uprades taking too long and the overflow of elixir everone has.
Meanwhile..... High lvl walls cost for upgrades: Human Souls.
Effectiveness: Questionable
I think supercell needs to make more wizards buyable just like builders with gems, if we could buy wizards with gems, that would be a giant success
im at th14 and i kinda upgraded everything to max easily especially those requires elixir, just keep upgrading troops never let your lab go empty, upgrade upgrade and upgrade, there are still books and potions you can use after playing clan games/events,, maybe stop rushing the game too, just play normally and you can enjoy the game
Even rushers don't have this lab problem 😂
The time to max out army buildings and storages in your current town hall is already a lot, to max out one army in your lab.
Being able to research two things at once would be great.
Two or Three Laboratory makes more sense, 1 for troops, 1 for spells, 1 for machines.
No it will add 2 more buildings. My thought is there should be 2 sections inside the lab, one for elixir troop/spell and other for dark elixir stuffs. So you can upgrade both at a time.
@@JustaBrokeguy thats a great idea honestly
what i do is just upgrade the troops and spells i actually use lol
I upgrade the troops I use first. And then start keeping my lab working until I max out the buildings of the base.
exactly what youre supposed to do
Yea people who max out every town hall level just never wanna reach th 16 I think
Dont you ever change armies?
@@kahviclips yes you can do that by if you wanna maximize your time you have to upgrade and use one army only so you don't have to wait days for 2 of your armies to be maxed, but if you wanna be efficient in wars then upgrading 2 armies (preferably air and ground) is the way to go
At lower town hall levels, the laboratory took me the fastest to max out and my walls were fully upgraded, so I had nowhere to dump extra resources
This is a thing at every town hall level, only people who login 5mins a day don't have overflowing resources.
Lab is the real nightmare for maxers.
It isn't, I upgrade my town hall and move on, maxing lab before upgrading TH would be idiotic.
Spells upgraded in the spell factory, dark elixir stuff upgraded in the dark elixir buildings. Easy 👌👌
this is why when I was still playing, I just focused on air troops
Same, but then supercell added the broken RR, druids, ovegrowth spell, valkyries suddenly being good etc
@@Thanatossssx here's my conspiracy theory: they added these broken ground troops so that players can try out ground troops and then nerfed it afterwards but they are still using it cause of habit and don't want to learn a new strat.
@@abuthahirumarhathab4201 "new strat" 😆 putting down 1-3 lava hounds and spamming air units to overwhelm defenses was a thing 10 years ago, ground attacks actually take skill because you need to understand pathing and deal with walls, so it's not surprising that people enjoy them.
@templeofdelusion both air and ground attacks have their own merit. Fireball rocket loon attack is one of the most coolest looking attack in chash of clans. It is an air attack btw. Also hydra does not look that bad. Also smash attacks do look cool as well. Just that supercell switching up a lot by buffing or nerfing a ground troop so that the strat I practiced now just does not work as it used to. But hydra has always been working. Queencharge lalo has always been working. Heck, even edrag spam is also working. Nothing has been nerfed or buffed about this army for years. any changes are due to new hero equipment.
@@abuthahirumarhathab4201 oh wow, you spam 10 year old attack after using hero equipment ability, so different and complex... The real reason they made ground troops viable is because spamming air for 10 years gets boring.
Idea - Add multiple labs. One for the Troops, another for the Spells and a third for the Siege Machines. Then just up the costs, that way people don't have a surplus of elixir all the time.
that would be a maximalistic option, at that point why not remove the lab and make the upgrades be done inside the barracks with an alternate tab, a realistic approach would be a second free slot from a certain lab level onwards or split the lab in two for either elixir and dark elixir or troops and spells, adding a building or a second slot to do that would be the same, but all this is taking into account the goblin gem helper which you cannot just remove from the game, you have to add into the lab without removing it
Or, just like the th12+, upgrade the existing laboratory to unlock a new slot
i feel like the best way to balance this would be to able to have 2 upgrade slots for the labs.
No it wouldn't.
Buying 3 lab potions each week really helps out in lower town halls but that only takes you so far. We need a second lab at least
Congrats for getting into college and I hope you have great time👍
We need to talk about the tree in clash of clans...
I just started this year as a free to play, and right now, im bored and tired of coc already. I want to log in and play. But with the build times im only logging in to check if any builders are available; if not i log back out.
Its losing my motivation to play if im not there to actually and actively play
i got that problem too, but at least im in a clan and we do war always, so i can enjoy the game a little bit
They have a dark barracks and a dark spell factory, even though they don’t actually cost dark elixir DESPITE in the lab. They should make it so both the dark spell factory and dark barracks cost DE to upgrade aswell as creating a seperate dark laboratory that also costs dark elixir to upgrade.
i mean if you separately compare the lab, hero and building times when maxing out it seems like a bottleneck, but in practise it just isn't, that is because you upgrade your heros and building at the same time you have enough time to research everything. Plus most people keep one builder to upgrade walls.
Research potion: 🙆🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Im guessing youre a low th or just ignorant but it takes 4 years to max the lab starting from th 11 ans up (the th where times start to get long). If you min maxed and got all the research potions attainable in a year you'd get 156 days worth of potions. It takes about 3 years worth of potions grinding to shave about a year off, if that sounds fine to you well go figure
The biggest bottleneck is equipments, no amount of time and optimization is gonna get you sufficient resources to obtain and upgrade all the necessary ones
i completely agree with what you´re saying but i mean the games purpose is to grind and wait to complete upgrades. i mean how boring would it be, to max out your whole village in 2-3 years. i think the best solution for this would be to release new troop levels splitted each year. first year only "normal" elixir troops and spells. second year only dark troops and dark spells and so on.
Yeah I hit TH12 like 4-5 months back and aside from walls and lab upgrades, I should be maxed within a month or two. I think my lab alone will need an additional 2 months. I can’t imagine my walls needing more than a month
they wont split the lab in 2, if anything they need more space for new buildings in new town halls, so they might even make more merged defenses like wizard towers and mortars, or even the collectors and storages
One thing you forgot to mention is when you upgrade to a new TH ypu het a boost that maxes your troops lvl that the laboratory allows, but you need to upgrade the lab to get that boost and at higher TH levels the lab takes longer to upgrade than the boost lasts so you either need to spend gems or magic iteams to finish the upgrade quick enough in order to get the benefits from the boost
interesting discussion. i managed to max my th 16 lab before maxing anything else out. only took my several months
Lab Upgrades takes more time than our building ...
Let that SINK IN
The lab is ALWAYS the last to be done... even when we had more barracks
Always finish upgrading troops and heroes in first
,Before defences.
Maybe if they let us upgrade one troop and one spell at the same time will solve the issue
If you have gold pass in higher town hall then you can actually catch up
In 28 days you can do 60 days worth of upgrading.
Like 3 reasearch potion × 4 weeks = 12 days
1 book of fighting and 1 book of spell. Minimim 10 + 10 = 20 days.
So in 4 months we can finish 8 months lab upgrading.
Plus if you participate in clan war league earn at least 240 medals then you can save 20 days each month.
So in 5 months we can finish 1 year worth of lab upgrade.
They should add a feature like the goblin builder where we would have a permanent 2nd lab upgrade like having a 2nd builder in the builder base
A possible fix : so let's imagine that we can pay 500 gems for the builders apprentice to go through wizard training or something, and then maybe that wizard training takes a week, after that week the builders apprentice can start boosting the lab for 1hour and boost the building for 1 hour as well, the amount of time saved would be determined by his level as it already is, so a level 6 apprentice would save 6hours in the lab
Maybe add 2nd slot for lab but with downside like +25% rssource need or additional 1-3 days
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Well, for me I firstly upgrade the troops and spells that I use and then just keep upgrading the rest of the troops while upgrading the buildings and heroes and I don't see any problem in this, at least for now
The pet house lowkey falls into the same category as the lab now. Maxing out all of them is gonna be crazy. It'll be made even worse by the fact that it costs DE exclusively.
Ps, upgrading the wall breaker is kinda important for super wall breaker armies tho
They should just make it so you can research an elixir troop, a de troop, an elixir spell and a de spell all at the same time. 4x efficiency. Same cost. Same building.
Or same idea but one elixir thing and one de thing at a time.
1. Introduce Dark Laboratory
2. Siege machine upgrades are done in the workshop instead of labs
3. Can train stuff in dark barracks and normal barracks in parallel rather than queue (this is how it used to be) so a balloon and lava hound can train simultaneously rather than having to wait for one to finish
it's not that hard man just always maxed out your troops in every town hall lvl you're in
I am sorry to say but I maxed out my laboratory stuff a month or two ahead before maxing out my buildings.
🌟Pro tips :-
1. use hammer of fighting and hammer of spell on most time consuming & most costly troops and spell.
It will help your laboratory to maxed out way faster than the buildings.
2. And for those who think that we should buy hammer of building instead of fighting, bro we already have 6 builders and buying hammer of fighting will give you 2x Value on same price. And if you still buy hammer of building instead of fighting then bro you are noob, just accept it.....
They should just make everything more expensive but take less time so you can grind progression
If we have barracks and dark barracks, spell and dark spell factories then why don't we have dark laboratory?
I will grind if there is dark lab so that i can upgrade faster.
I find that staying at TH10, gives good balance myself. I attack at my level, so all good here. Its called GREED, and Supercell and Tencent are making a killing with current setup.
i only use the goblin builder to upgrade troops.
it takes so much time and i would like to have a permanent 2nd research slot once we reach the level 7/8 lab (when we can upgrade dark elixir troops)
I just got to th15 but before going th 15 I actually had my lab maxed, troops, spells, DE troops/spells, and even siege machines
Just keep your lab busy always. Never idle. And make it the first building you upgrade at every level , use the hammer on it , or book. That way when buildings are done, walls are done, troops and spells will be done. Provided you play and farm your ass off and have no life.
I find myself consistently using the Goblin Researcher to keep up with all the labs - and I only just got to TH9 😂
It’s gonna get crazier the higher I go I know.
Either split the lab or add second researcher (it can be unlocked in like a builder base or at townhall lvl x)
It's kinda ight rn because the cost it so much. Unless the cost is cut in half, I will want 2x time reduct
At a certain point yes but once your th is high enough you don’t always have the resources anyway to have everything going all the time. So it’s alright I guess
Well if not enough people complain about than supercell will not know that it's a problem.
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Tbf, if y don’t upgrade ur wall breaker, ur super wall breaker won’t break the wall of the respective TH y are in. So if y have a TH14 super wall breaker, y ain’t gon break a TH15 all with only one of them
I honestly have no trouble upgrading my spells. It's normally offset by walls or pets
If they add a dark lab, it wouldnt make it faster, actually slower, then you start from zero again
Maybe the next builder hall can have a 2nd lab researcher like the Otto hut
It's a grind , but with gold pass it's pretty quick
They should sell the 2nd reseaching slot by gems to speed up the process
the people in the comments doesnt seem to understand that the laboratory first functionality is to upgrade your current army, if you use multiples then just upgrade your top priority, second the laboratory is a "bottom neck" simply because it meant to not stop upgrading and even if it is you just need to use potions and books, third the time that it takes to upgrade everything to a th12 is 4 month the heroes and structures, and only 7 months for laboratory, bcs the game is meant to make you spend resources on walls when you dont have anything or very little. or you could yk, just go to the next town hall if you find issues with having the laboratory bottom neck.
I’m at a point now where I can only use elixir and gold by upgrading walls. I have like 6 dark troops, 20 hero levels, and 14 pet levels to use dark elixir on. And of course it’s the beginning of the month so I can’t upgrade heroes because of cwl so I’m just sitting on 500k dark for a few days
i really hate the lab, which is party why i use as basic an army as i can, i only max out troops i use, everything else is "if i have time" especially given its always full and there seems to be a new level or new troop all the time these days
Goblin builder is pretty much useless since there are more important things to use ur gems on *aka builder huts, apprentice builder etc.* only use he rlly serves is for the higher ups that alr have all huts + apprentice maxed out other then that it doesnt help new/mid game players whatsoever.
Eveeyone keeps saying "just add more buildings bro" supercell already said they are making bases smaller BECAUSE of the 100% required for a 3 star smh. Add another slot thats all
I've been buying the 3 research pots every week and never been bottle necked by lab
Delete the lab and do the upgrades from the same gui where we cook troops. Two upgrades should be done simultaneously.
You should be able to upgrade a troop and a spell at the same time
i think the best solution is to have bifurcation in the lab itself for troops and spells
before i watch i think the lab pre th10 is a bottleneck its upgrades last longer than most other upgrades but after th10 the upgrade duration starts to be in the 5-10 day mark so the lab is gonna be maxed earlier than other buildings