The plastic (pla I assume) is going to be stiffer than the PVC, so it's going to lose the lows. If you make the walls thinner or print with PET you may get get bottom end back. I shall get experimenting. Thank you!
The ridges left behind by the fdm process make a huge difference. When I 3d printed the baroque cornetto I did it out of ASA, sanded the inside using a power drill and a sponge covered in sandpaper ona long nail. I then plugged the holes with electrical tape and fillet the whole instrument with acetone for a brief moment. The inside is now silky smooth and has a kind of a lacquered finish. I covered the outside with asa-acetone slurry and sanded it after it hardened to get a nice finish just for looks.
@@guitfidle I'll try to makes take some pictures and describe the process. Let's figure a way to send them to you unless you are willing to provide your email address here.
The classic PVC one is more breathy, while the printed one is way clearer and when played louder has a plastic recorder-like resonance which I think gives it a unique tone. The printed mouthpiece seems to improve the quality of the sound in the hybrid experiments too
The uneven surface finish of the 3d printed one could be affecting the sound. You can achieve smooth surfaces with ABS filament and acetone vapor smoothing, but you need an enclosure to print ABS. (qidi tech is doing youtube sponsorships btw! They make enclosed printers)
I was wondering if maybe just turning the print on it's side, so that the slight ridges would be going lengthwise might make any difference, without needing to use acetone.
When I first got a 3d printer, I thought it would be so easy to make new instruments, and it is! However, it takes forever and I like to just print mouthpieces/fipples that can attach to pipe. This allows me to have modular instruments where I can change the key/scale quickly and experiment. Of course your videos and ebook has been a great help for me.
I am a totally dumb and noob musician but a hobbyist 3d printed. I am pretty sure that the layers are contributing to the sound having less resonance. Maybe reversing the print orientation can contribute to having a deeper sound. Also another option is to print with ASA or ABS (ASA is easier) and to acetone vapor smoothing the flute. The flute will be shiny, with less layer relief.
You are correct. You can smoothh pla with ethyl acetate (smelly) or DCM (dichloromethane). But asa and acetone is easier to control. Also I would suggest sanding the inside first with a drill and a sandpaper on a sponge. then you can cover the holes with tape and fill the flute with acetone for a brief moment (10 -20ish seconds). I did that with 3d printed cornetto and the result is stunning. It looks like it is made from some high grade aesthetic plastic or maybe even wood.
Effectivement une flûte triangulaire, sans support, avec en adaptateur pour l'embouchure serait rigolo a tester. True a triangle recorder with an adapter for the mouthpiece can be fun to try.
My dad makes wooden fluteheads, and the differences in sound usually are 99% about the opening and its shape, and the differences are very subtle. You will also make unconscious changes to your playing style which makes testing wind instruments super difficult. Those wooden heads are ridiculously expensive too.. He is at the moment fabricating tools to make the whole flute from wood. That'll be interesting... I'm at the moment moving to a new place, once i settle i will start making a "fretless" clarinet or soprano sax.. I tried to do a "fretless" membrane clarinet but.. dear lord is that complicated as it has two open ends and two resonant pipes.. the mouthpipe contributing to the sound as much as everything else, so it is like trying to balance four plates using three poles and after that you still have the membrane material, how to stretch it evenly and how much.... So i'll stick with known mouthpiece and go from there.
Right, I think it will be very instructive to 3d print flute heads, I'll be able to vary each parameter separately with a robot precision and reproduction
As a staunch lover of the Khene, Qeej, and Hulusi- the guest appearance was absolutely lovely! I've always been curious about the potential for hulusi-like pipe instruments, but I can't figure a good DiY reed.
Thanks for making the STLs available. I printed the three-part flute, it printed easily using a brim and tree supports. Fitting the three parts together was a challenge - the thin parts would break off (due to layer-to-layer adhesion being the weakest part of 3D prints). What I eventually ended up doing was increasing the diameter of the second segment to 101.5% and the third segment to 103%. I use 0.8mm lines (while still using a 0.4mm nozzle) - this speeds up printing greatly, and you end up with stronger parts. I used PLA-F. This is my first side-blown flute so getting sound out of it's a challenge (I usually play pennywhistle). Getting ready to start trying to make Guido Gonzato-style PVC whistles again, I plan to use the 3D printer to make the plugs for the mouthpieces. In the past I had trouble finding wood dowels of the right size.
Thanks for another fun video! There are many types of 3D printing plastics. Each having different properties. It may be worth printing one design in each of a few different types to see which is best for the design.
It would have been interesting to analyze their respective sounds with a spectrometer as well, to see which frequencies are louder/quiet in the second flûte :)
I actually really like the the 3D printed one's sound. There's a character to its timbre. It feels "breathier" for lack of a better term. I think they could each fit into different sound scapes.
Another project I would love to see you explore is making 3d printed organ pipes. It would be very interesting to have a set of files for an octave of notes. Either for building a small wind organ or maybe a barrel/crank organ.
Ive seen where some 3d printed flutes have a different sound based on material used. Print settings such as infill and layer height will effect the sound also.
yes it's PLA, I will have to try this kind of methods, but first I want to dig what is possible with only shape variations, and direct result from the printer
Am I the only one who thought the video actually ended with the fake ending? I really liked your song at the end. Is there a place to buy your songs? I really want a copy of your Banjo Snare Drum Slide guitar song that used the frog, flute and Portuguese guitar.
Have you ever made (or just purchased and used) a metallic flute mouth piece on a PVC flute? I wonder how much of the metallic sharpness of a traditional flute comes from the metal body and how much comes from just the resonant edge of the mouth piece being metal rather than PVC. And the other option would be a wooden mouth piece to glue to the PVC to give it a bit of an Irish flute sound.
Nice !!! I remember see videos of 3d printed shawns ("chalemie") that sound quite nice (played by Silke Gwendolyn Schulze). I wonder what would be the difference with different materials, PETG, PA, etc or mixed material, if you have the prusa mmu.
I’m unable to print this with Bambu Studio (on a Bambu Lab A1). There are issues with the narrow parts (rings) in the slicer. I think those parts are too thin and are causing issues. I will try it with Cura soon.
did you print the flutes with 100% infill? if not, that might effect the sound. also maybe different materials may sound different (PETG vs PLA vs ABS or even carbon or glass filled materials)
I printed this out but the diameters were about the same, so it would not go together. Do the pieces just butt together with glue or are they supposed to fit inside one another ?
Would it be possible to make a pipe or 3D version of the shinobue (Japanese 7-hole transverse flute) too? It is very difficult to find and very expensive here. We are looking for a way to give more access to these instruments in Taiko groups here. If anyone knows of a project and can indicate it, we would be grateful. Thanks
i wonder how print resolution affects the sound? including resin printed for a smooth internals. (rather than the stringy ripples of a normal 3d printer)
I can tell you, since I print a lot of flutes, ocarinas, and panpipes. Resolution matters for sure. But if you dont want to have to wait 20-30 hrs, I print with thicker walls and fast resolution. Then I get my sandpaper on a stick and go to work. Dowel rods from the hardware store 3/8 in or 10mm fit in an electric drill. Then spin that sandpaper through pulling it in and out slowly. I can make the inside polish smooth with enough careful work by hand too. Then you really feel like you brought the flute to life!
I tried printing this for myself but I couldn’t get it to fit together, it printed really smooth and looked amazing, tried to make it fit with some sanding but i ended up breaking it. Any advice?
du coup tu tire pas vraiment avantage de l'impression 3d. tu pourrais essayer des formes différentes comme donner un ventre à la flute ou de la twister ou d'ajouter des formes à l'interieur pour moduler le son.
je commence par explorer et comprendre les possibilites et comment en tirer le meilleur, ensuite je pourrai me lancer dans des choses exploitant pleinement les possibilites uniques de l'impression 3d!
Making this right now, wanted to ask if I can upload it to makerworld for bambu users with proper accreditation and links to all your medias so more people have access
In this workshop you need to carefully walk between metal musical instruments. You accidentally trip and all your intestines will be pierced by tubes and nails sticking out everywhere.
The plastic one has little depth of tone. The printed one however has a " thin" sound, the tone is weak and dull. It sounds like a cheap toy for a child.
The plastic (pla I assume) is going to be stiffer than the PVC, so it's going to lose the lows. If you make the walls thinner or print with PET you may get get bottom end back. I shall get experimenting. Thank you!
The ridges left behind by the fdm process make a huge difference. When I 3d printed the baroque cornetto I did it out of ASA, sanded the inside using a power drill and a sponge covered in sandpaper ona long nail. I then plugged the holes with electrical tape and fillet the whole instrument with acetone for a brief moment. The inside is now silky smooth and has a kind of a lacquered finish. I covered the outside with asa-acetone slurry and sanded it after it hardened to get a nice finish just for looks.
seems interesting,do you have pictures or videos about this?
@@NicolasBras didn't take pictures of the process, but I have pictures of the finished instrument. I can send them to you if you'd want.
@@lastnamefirstname850I would like to see to please 😁 I build wind and stringed instruments too
@@guitfidle I'll try to makes take some pictures and describe the process. Let's figure a way to send them to you unless you are willing to provide your email address here.
Try giving the 3d printed one an alcohol/acetone wash to smooth it. That could make the difference in the quality of sound
That will only work on some materials, like ABS. It will not work on PLA.
@@UnknownCharacter458 fair enough
Alcohol will make anything sound good.
The classic PVC one is more breathy, while the printed one is way clearer and when played louder has a plastic recorder-like resonance which I think gives it a unique tone. The printed mouthpiece seems to improve the quality of the sound in the hybrid experiments too
The uneven surface finish of the 3d printed one could be affecting the sound.
You can achieve smooth surfaces with ABS filament and acetone vapor smoothing, but you need an enclosure to print ABS. (qidi tech is doing youtube sponsorships btw! They make enclosed printers)
Haha I wrote exactly the same.
I was wondering if maybe just turning the print on it's side, so that the slight ridges would be going lengthwise might make any difference, without needing to use acetone.
@@michaeldougherty6036 that could work if you managed to print it without supports, as supports would leave an uneven surface
@@michaeldougherty6036 Removing the supports, though... 😬
When I first got a 3d printer, I thought it would be so easy to make new instruments, and it is! However, it takes forever and I like to just print mouthpieces/fipples that can attach to pipe. This allows me to have modular instruments where I can change the key/scale quickly and experiment. Of course your videos and ebook has been a great help for me.
I think I will take a lot of time developping this, you already do that?
@@NicolasBras There are a few 3d models you can find online that fit on pvc pipe. I make models in tinkercad which is really easy to use.
I am a totally dumb and noob musician but a hobbyist 3d printed. I am pretty sure that the layers are contributing to the sound having less resonance. Maybe reversing the print orientation can contribute to having a deeper sound. Also another option is to print with ASA or ABS (ASA is easier) and to acetone vapor smoothing the flute. The flute will be shiny, with less layer relief.
You are correct. You can smoothh pla with ethyl acetate (smelly) or DCM (dichloromethane). But asa and acetone is easier to control. Also I would suggest sanding the inside first with a drill and a sandpaper on a sponge. then you can cover the holes with tape and fill the flute with acetone for a brief moment (10 -20ish seconds). I did that with 3d printed cornetto and the result is stunning. It looks like it is made from some high grade aesthetic plastic or maybe even wood.
yes I have to try that!
Effectivement une flûte triangulaire, sans support, avec en adaptateur pour l'embouchure serait rigolo a tester.
True a triangle recorder with an adapter for the mouthpiece can be fun to try.
What would be useful is a thin 3d printable sleeve with the holes as a guide for drilling the PVC version!
For the algorithm, and the algoblues
Glad you are back creating things!
me too, I really want to share more this year, I have a lot of things to share!
@@NicolasBras awesome!! Looking forward to your next weird and wonderful music creation!!
@@NicolasBras Never stop uploading. Your channel is amazing
Getting Bloomdido Bad de Grass, of all people, to test a 3D printed flute is such a flex xD
My dad makes wooden fluteheads, and the differences in sound usually are 99% about the opening and its shape, and the differences are very subtle. You will also make unconscious changes to your playing style which makes testing wind instruments super difficult. Those wooden heads are ridiculously expensive too..
He is at the moment fabricating tools to make the whole flute from wood. That'll be interesting... I'm at the moment moving to a new place, once i settle i will start making a "fretless" clarinet or soprano sax.. I tried to do a "fretless" membrane clarinet but.. dear lord is that complicated as it has two open ends and two resonant pipes.. the mouthpipe contributing to the sound as much as everything else, so it is like trying to balance four plates using three poles and after that you still have the membrane material, how to stretch it evenly and how much.... So i'll stick with known mouthpiece and go from there.
Right, I think it will be very instructive to 3d print flute heads, I'll be able to vary each parameter separately with a robot precision and reproduction
Fascinating, slide saxophones haven’t been produced much for a long time. But good ones could theoretically rival the trombone.
One of the best UA-cam channels.
Hm.. I think I am hearing more breath on the 3D printed one... The hybrid ones sound really good. And as always, your composition is fascinating.
thanks a lot!
As a staunch lover of the Khene, Qeej, and Hulusi- the guest appearance was absolutely lovely! I've always been curious about the potential for hulusi-like pipe instruments, but I can't figure a good DiY reed.
Thanks for making the STLs available. I printed the three-part flute, it printed easily using a brim and tree supports. Fitting the three parts together was a challenge - the thin parts would break off (due to layer-to-layer adhesion being the weakest part of 3D prints). What I eventually ended up doing was increasing the diameter of the second segment to 101.5% and the third segment to 103%. I use 0.8mm lines (while still using a 0.4mm nozzle) - this speeds up printing greatly, and you end up with stronger parts. I used PLA-F. This is my first side-blown flute so getting sound out of it's a challenge (I usually play pennywhistle). Getting ready to start trying to make Guido Gonzato-style PVC whistles again, I plan to use the 3D printer to make the plugs for the mouthpieces. In the past I had trouble finding wood dowels of the right size.
Thanks for another fun video! There are many types of 3D printing plastics. Each having different properties. It may be worth printing one design in each of a few different types to see which is best for the design.
Yes I'll have to try that too, but first I want to dig the shape variations, from my experience it's a lot more significant in wind instruments making
It would have been interesting to analyze their respective sounds with a spectrometer as well, to see which frequencies are louder/quiet in the second flûte :)
Bloomdido Bad de Grass !
From Planet Gong.
I actually really like the the 3D printed one's sound. There's a character to its timbre. It feels "breathier" for lack of a better term. I think they could each fit into different sound scapes.
Yes it's a totally valuable flute!
Have you tried to make something like a French "bombarde" in the past? It feels very underrated as a flute-like instrument!
Not for now, I'm not a good reed instruments player!
Another project I would love to see you explore is making 3d printed organ pipes. It would be very interesting to have a set of files for an octave of notes. Either for building a small wind organ or maybe a barrel/crank organ.
wait a second is it THAT Didier Malherbe from Gong?
Right! Very proud of this little feature
I dont see the reply?
Ive seen where some 3d printed flutes have a different sound based on material used. Print settings such as infill and layer height will effect the sound also.
This is crazy.
I just modeled a 3d printed Low D tin whistle yesterday from scratch.
It works well.
If you wan I can send you the file
sure, I would be happy to see that!
I missed you! This was so good, and I really like the collab with the other musician. What was their name again?
Didier Malherbe, founder of Gong and Hadouk Trio, so much great music to discover!
Thank you for sharing the .STL!!
Are you printing using PLA plastic? You could've tried treating it with acetone to smooth the layers and see if it sounds better this way.
yes it's PLA, I will have to try this kind of methods, but first I want to dig what is possible with only shape variations, and direct result from the printer
for PLA you need ethyl acetate. acetone only works on ABS.
@@somebody3524 My bad. I know that acetone is used to smooth some prints, but I forgot which plastic it was.
Didier Malheeeerbe
very proud of this little featuring!
Благодарю. Скачал файлы. Попробую напечатать....👍👍👍👍
Am I the only one who thought the video actually ended with the fake ending?
I really liked your song at the end. Is there a place to buy your songs? I really want a copy of your Banjo Snare Drum Slide guitar song that used the frog, flute and Portuguese guitar.
I have a bandcamp, but there is only my solo album there, most of my youtube compositions are on streaming platforms, probably needs some update!
@@NicolasBras yes please!
Have you ever made (or just purchased and used) a metallic flute mouth piece on a PVC flute? I wonder how much of the metallic sharpness of a traditional flute comes from the metal body and how much comes from just the resonant edge of the mouth piece being metal rather than PVC.
And the other option would be a wooden mouth piece to glue to the PVC to give it a bit of an Irish flute sound.
Super le morceau a la fin.❤
grand merci!
When 3d printing you can also change the tickness. Does it make a difference if you print the bottom part significantly thicker?
Can you do a 3d printed mouthpiece for a membrane clarinet? That's the instrument I've been most wanting to make
Nice !!! I remember see videos of 3d printed shawns ("chalemie") that sound quite nice (played by Silke Gwendolyn Schulze).
I wonder what would be the difference with different materials, PETG, PA, etc or mixed material, if you have the prusa mmu.
I'll have to try!
hmm the 3d sounded more wood-like...i wonder if making something like a recorder would be better
imagine that now you have made something you can already make, its time to make something you can't make.
First I need to understand the possibilities, but I have thousands of ideas for new unique instruments in mind, the are coming!
I’m unable to print this with Bambu Studio (on a Bambu Lab A1). There are issues with the narrow parts (rings) in the slicer. I think those parts are too thin and are causing issues. I will try it with Cura soon.
ive been wanting to 3d print a membrane instrument but i havent been able to get the tuning right
I made a few very promising prototypes, but I'll need more time to share that!
Nice Results and well thought out Project can you Suggest the Printer to buy for this ?
👍🛠️
Here I use the Prusa MK4, very good machine, I got some collaborations coming with other 3d printer builders, I'm gonna try those too!
@@NicolasBras thanks for update Halve you seen any printouts for an " OCARINA " 👍🐝
When will you perform in the 5th arrondisement?
did you print the flutes with 100% infill? if not, that might effect the sound. also maybe different materials may sound different (PETG vs PLA vs ABS or even carbon or glass filled materials)
very thin walls, no room for infill, I have to try other materials, but I don't think it would be a big change, more about printing quality
Soooo how can we buy your flutes? I’d love a nice tenor or bass drone flute
est-ce que tu peut faire une flute 3D qui utilise un bec de sax alto?
je vais bosser sur des modeles type clarinette, avec bec de clarinette ou bec de sax, je partagerai ca quand ca sera pret!
@@NicolasBras Merci!
The 3d printed flute resonates at a different frequency due to what im guessing is a less dense material.
I printed this out but the diameters were about the same, so it would not go together. Do the pieces just butt together with glue or are they supposed to fit inside one another ?
Would it be possible to make a pipe or 3D version of the shinobue (Japanese 7-hole transverse flute) too? It is very difficult to find and very expensive here. We are looking for a way to give more access to these instruments in Taiko groups here. If anyone knows of a project and can indicate it, we would be grateful. Thanks
If you can send me one or send me very precise measurements I can work on it!
@@NicolasBras I'm trying to borrow a shinobue (7 or 8 hon), and as soon as I get it I'll share the detailed dimensions, thank you very much
Can you give us a link to your friend's music?
i wonder how print resolution affects the sound? including resin printed for a smooth internals. (rather than the stringy ripples of a normal 3d printer)
I can tell you, since I print a lot of flutes, ocarinas, and panpipes. Resolution matters for sure. But if you dont want to have to wait 20-30 hrs, I print with thicker walls and fast resolution. Then I get my sandpaper on a stick and go to work.
Dowel rods from the hardware store 3/8 in or 10mm fit in an electric drill. Then spin that sandpaper through pulling it in and out slowly. I can make the inside polish smooth with enough careful work by hand too. Then you really feel like you brought the flute to life!
interesting, I have to try!
I tried printing this for myself but I couldn’t get it to fit together, it printed really smooth and looked amazing, tried to make it fit with some sanding but i ended up breaking it. Any advice?
Same thing happened to me, don’t know why.
Still waiting for a TwoSet Violin collaboration. 🙏
Ling Ling makes 40 flutes a day
me too, waiting for the call!
du coup tu tire pas vraiment avantage de l'impression 3d. tu pourrais essayer des formes différentes comme donner un ventre à la flute ou de la twister ou d'ajouter des formes à l'interieur pour moduler le son.
je commence par explorer et comprendre les possibilites et comment en tirer le meilleur, ensuite je pourrai me lancer dans des choses exploitant pleinement les possibilites uniques de l'impression 3d!
Making this right now, wanted to ask if I can upload it to makerworld for bambu users with proper accreditation and links to all your medias so more people have access
Are you having trouble fitting it together ?
@leftyjohn yeah, none of the parts slot together like I assume they should, will just try glue them together and see how it goes
@@azedmain624 Me too, thanks for the reply. I thought I did something wrong?
Remember to turn on "Detect Thin Walls" on your slicer before printing this.
2:00 😍
Well dangit, I really need a 3D printer now 🤣
is it A major? I printed your model but has C# scale.
Perhaps a liquid resin printer would produce better results...?
👏👏👏👍
Mh, the weird designs one could delve into with 3d flutes...
In this workshop you need to carefully walk between metal musical instruments. You accidentally trip and all your intestines will be pierced by tubes and nails sticking out everywhere.
Somebody failed shop class.
The plastic one has little depth of tone. The printed one however has a " thin" sound, the tone is weak and dull. It sounds like a cheap toy for a child.
hulusi
le son n'est pas extraordinaire
(cracher!), vous n'avez aucun talent M.