Lol Guess I’m not doing cams. always have had concerns about opening engine when modifying my terminator. Lots of trust involved but does it hurt it’s value is always a big deal breaker. Great video. Info is king. Cheers
I'm the same way with my 2v, was gonna buy a 5.0 stroker kit for it but it's my daily driver so i can't be without it for a month or two till it's done, gonna put heads n cams instead 1st then in the future build it more, but the n/a route is always more expensive, but less with a 2v vs a 4v so yeah.. i say cam it tho, it's extra power, even a stage 1..
It's like you're reading my mind. I have been thinking about doing cams. Thanks for sharing your experience....I'll be saving my nickels and dimes and doing a set of custom cams and go e85 at the same time.
No for me. But that’s just because motor wise I want to keep it more stock. I’ll do full exhaust and headers but that’s about it! Your car does sound great tho.
I totally agree on going with a blower upgrade over cams. A lot of people asked me why I didn’t put cams in my car when I had the engine out and cost was one factor but power gains from just the cams for the money aren’t worth it to me. The sound is cool yes but I’d rather spend $3500 on a used blower and pick up a lot of power instead.
I've got Comp "Stage 2" supercharged cams and I think they're awesome. You definitely lose quite a bit low end torque, but drives just fine and the mid to top end power is a rush. You're right about hidden costs; at a minimum you'll need springs and there's a lot of time to degree them in. Definitely something to be done with the motor out of the car. Tuning was also a pain, but I was doing it myself. I also have ported heads which are needed in my opinion to really take advantage of the cams. There's also little things like PTV clearance and finger follower geometry to pay attention to. Yeah, one simply doesn't just throw in some cams and go, things really add up quick.
Got Crower stage 3 blower cams...tuned perfectly....the cams...springs and titanium retainers Install..ARP head stud kit..and everything else came to $6300.00...not cheap... When I start it cold...it is soooo choppy..grumpy and then eventually it settles into its normal idle. Drive ability is great...and there were parameters for the a/c...great vid...😀
Yours sound great. I also have Bassani exhaust and will probably change mufflers just to get some more noise out of the cams. I’ve got 3 of my 4 sitting on the shelf, so excited to get them in.
Thank you for this video. Almost nobody talks about the huge loss of driveability when installing intense cams. That chopping sound is a literal mechanical misfire.
I don’t see myself ever doing cams on my Cobra just for the cost factor like you mentioned. I’ll upgrade to a bigger supercharger with a few other mods and just have an awesome running and driving street car that makes a ton of power
Did comp cams custom grinds years ago. Higher than a stage 3. I picked my numbers, duration, LSA, lift, etc. and yeah my mustang bump sticks bump. It’s a mustang. Not a Prius. Drive it like Steve Mcqueen. If you want driveability, I’m sure Toyota takes trade ins
Been following some of your content, love what you've done with your Cobra. I've been on the fence over cams as well, the way some of those aggressive cams sound is like music, but truthfully I would really hate to lose my drivability. Currently running a KB 2.6H, LT exh. on E85. It makes good power debating on upgrading to the 2.9 crusher instead of the cams?
Can you please let us know the part number / specs or grind # for the cams you installed ? Your build is almost identical to mine minus the cams , any info would be greatly appreciated
Great video Kevin! I talked to Todd a few days ago about cams. It's expensive for me I'm in New Brunswick Canada. Those would be the ones I wanted. Kevin Dunn remote tuned my car I could not be happier he is awesome! Car runs and idles like stock. I have a built motor 2.3 Whipple, Return style fuel system. Maybe bigger blower in the future. Makes me nervous to maybe lose some drivability. I love your car watch them all great videos!
DUDE I CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH LOL I LOVE SONIC BLUE.IF YOU HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH YOUR CAR WHAT WOULD IT BE LOL MINE HAS SUCH LOW MILES LOL IT'S LIKE DRIVING A NEW COBRA LOL.I HEARD A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THE REAR INDEPENDENT SUSPENSION.
I think they sound better with a good chop but somewhat mild (kinda like yours) when theyre chopping so much it sounds like its having trouble idling it isnt for me. The l&m nsr cams for gt500s are perfect for what i want i love how they sound and i hear they drive nice and make good power. That is the direction im gonna go with my 07 gt500. I want good power but driveability matters to me im not willing to sacrifice it for every last hp. I am gonna do cams and longtubes at the same time i build the motor. Im going to get a loan when the car is paid off and do it at once. It would make the install make sense and prob save me money in the long haul. The cams shouldnt add that much to the labor if youre already having your engine built by the person. Makes it alot easier for them to install it...same with long tubes. Makes the headache of both installs not as bad plus they really compliment each other. Im gonna swap the blower on the stock motor first then 3 or 4 years down the road is when i am gonna have the engine built with higher compression, cams and longtubes. That makes the most sense as far as the build im planning. I wouldnt do cams before a blower swap. After the blower swap the cams will help you alot more than before the blower swap also that is another thing to consider. I wouldnt just do cams alone and pay all that labor just for that especially on the stock blower.
Good job on the video! I'm like you, I understand a lot about cams and what they do etc., but putting them in myself? No way! Understanding how they work and installing them are way different things. I'll change the wheels and plugs and oil, etc. But I leave internal engine stuff to my mechanic!
I myself have been looking at cams. However I'm not sure if I will gain much. I currently run the whipple gen 5 3.0 running 23lbs on E70/ARH 1 7/8" headers an other supporting mods! Dyno Jet numbers 908/800.
Dude your setup is optimal for a cam upgrade...meaning its prob gonna gain as much as anyone will going cams. You have a setup that youre pushing pretty good in a setup like that the cams really hold you back at high rpm. For example bj the guy from venomous tuning that tunes mostly gt500s i think he had the car "christine" that was a vmp test car for a long time. It was on e85 gen2r 2.4 upper 15% lower mac effort setup it was setup kinda like your car and on e85...they literally picked up 80 rwhp with just the cams i wouldnt be surprised if you pick up close to that. Different cars but very similar in layout and the results would be similar imo.
It’s all in the exhaust set up!!! I have stock cams that are degreed a little advanced and with longtubes off road h pipe dyno max mini race bullets dumped it almost sounds cammed I have an idle vid in my videos check it out
I won't speak ill of Kurgan publically. I don't have any experience using him. I will say however that the experience I've had with Todd could not have been better
Great vid and really nice cobra. You made some really good explanations on picking 2 outta 3. I’m looking for a terminator now prefer vert though. It has custom grind cams and it’s tuned by kurgan Motorsports. I’m really wanting this car but he is hesitant to sell. He says the cams have caused no issues. Not sure which of the two out of three it has. Any info on one modded under 40k miles for sale let me know. Thanks
I have a question how due I get a hold of Todd so I can show him my dog just to learn more about building my engine for my daily 2v trying to make about 600hp to 700hp
Todd doesn't necessarily like them publicly blasted out. Just the specs themselves don't tell the whole story either. You can have identical ground cams, but vastly different results base Don hoe they are timed up
Lol Guess I’m not doing cams. always have had concerns about opening engine when modifying my terminator. Lots of trust involved but does it hurt it’s value is always a big deal breaker.
Great video. Info is king. Cheers
I'm the same way with my 2v, was gonna buy a 5.0 stroker kit for it but it's my daily driver so i can't be without it for a month or two till it's done, gonna put heads n cams instead 1st then in the future build it more, but the n/a route is always more expensive, but less with a 2v vs a 4v so yeah.. i say cam it tho, it's extra power, even a stage 1..
It's like you're reading my mind. I have been thinking about doing cams. Thanks for sharing your experience....I'll be saving my nickels and dimes and doing a set of custom cams and go e85 at the same time.
No for me. But that’s just because motor wise I want to keep it more stock. I’ll do full exhaust and headers but that’s about it!
Your car does sound great tho.
I totally agree on going with a blower upgrade over cams. A lot of people asked me why I didn’t put cams in my car when I had the engine out and cost was one factor but power gains from just the cams for the money aren’t worth it to me. The sound is cool yes but I’d rather spend $3500 on a used blower and pick up a lot of power instead.
I've got Comp "Stage 2" supercharged cams and I think they're awesome. You definitely lose quite a bit low end torque, but drives just fine and the mid to top end power is a rush. You're right about hidden costs; at a minimum you'll need springs and there's a lot of time to degree them in. Definitely something to be done with the motor out of the car. Tuning was also a pain, but I was doing it myself. I also have ported heads which are needed in my opinion to really take advantage of the cams. There's also little things like PTV clearance and finger follower geometry to pay attention to. Yeah, one simply doesn't just throw in some cams and go, things really add up quick.
Hey I was thinking about selling my 03 cobra but listening to videos has made me change my mind
Got Crower stage 3 blower cams...tuned perfectly....the cams...springs and titanium retainers
Install..ARP head stud kit..and everything else came to $6300.00...not cheap...
When I start it cold...it is soooo choppy..grumpy and then eventually it settles into its normal idle.
Drive ability is great...and there were parameters for the a/c...great vid...😀
Yours sound great. I also have Bassani exhaust and will probably change mufflers just to get some more noise out of the cams. I’ve got 3 of my 4 sitting on the shelf, so excited to get them in.
Good timing for the video. Just talked to Todd today about ordering cams!
Whatever he says. Do
@@Intervention302 I have an 04 cobra though... I guess I’ll have to wait for the next video 😜
Thank you for this video. Almost nobody talks about the huge loss of driveability when installing intense cams. That chopping sound is a literal mechanical misfire.
What an amazing view of your sb cobra!
Meh, camera had some issues. Wasn't as crisp as I wanted the shot. I got to look at other cameras.
that is a beautiful O3 man!!
I don’t see myself ever doing cams on my Cobra just for the cost factor like you mentioned. I’ll upgrade to a bigger supercharger with a few other mods and just have an awesome running and driving street car that makes a ton of power
Did comp cams custom grinds years ago. Higher than a stage 3. I picked my numbers, duration, LSA, lift, etc. and yeah my mustang bump sticks bump. It’s a mustang. Not a Prius. Drive it like Steve Mcqueen. If you want driveability, I’m sure Toyota takes trade ins
Been following some of your content, love what you've done with your Cobra. I've been on the fence over cams as well, the way some of those aggressive cams sound is like music, but truthfully I would really hate to lose my drivability. Currently running a KB 2.6H, LT exh. on E85. It makes good power debating on upgrading to the 2.9 crusher instead of the cams?
Can you please let us know the part number / specs or grind # for the cams you installed ? Your build is almost identical to mine minus the cams , any info would be greatly appreciated
Great video Kevin! I talked to Todd a few days ago about cams. It's expensive for me I'm in New Brunswick Canada. Those would be the ones I wanted. Kevin Dunn remote tuned my car I could not be happier he is awesome! Car runs and idles like stock. I have a built motor 2.3 Whipple, Return style fuel system. Maybe bigger blower in the future. Makes me nervous to maybe lose some drivability. I love your car watch them all great videos!
Todd is the man
DUDE I CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH LOL I LOVE SONIC BLUE.IF YOU HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH YOUR CAR WHAT WOULD IT BE LOL MINE HAS SUCH LOW MILES LOL IT'S LIKE DRIVING A NEW COBRA LOL.I HEARD A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THE REAR INDEPENDENT SUSPENSION.
I appreciate the honesty. 👍
What backspacing are you running on those wheels? Nice car.
Great content I understand overlap , chop ..
I’m waiting on a video about the FUCKING BUSHINGS AND DIFF.
Very well explained. Thanks!
I think they sound better with a good chop but somewhat mild (kinda like yours) when theyre chopping so much it sounds like its having trouble idling it isnt for me. The l&m nsr cams for gt500s are perfect for what i want i love how they sound and i hear they drive nice and make good power. That is the direction im gonna go with my 07 gt500. I want good power but driveability matters to me im not willing to sacrifice it for every last hp. I am gonna do cams and longtubes at the same time i build the motor. Im going to get a loan when the car is paid off and do it at once. It would make the install make sense and prob save me money in the long haul. The cams shouldnt add that much to the labor if youre already having your engine built by the person. Makes it alot easier for them to install it...same with long tubes. Makes the headache of both installs not as bad plus they really compliment each other. Im gonna swap the blower on the stock motor first then 3 or 4 years down the road is when i am gonna have the engine built with higher compression, cams and longtubes. That makes the most sense as far as the build im planning. I wouldnt do cams before a blower swap. After the blower swap the cams will help you alot more than before the blower swap also that is another thing to consider. I wouldnt just do cams alone and pay all that labor just for that especially on the stock blower.
Good stuff brother, thanks
Great video man! Where do you take your car for tuning? I’m in Philly
Performance Dyno in NH
Worth the trip
So what did you end up paying to get them installed? Did they pull the motor or do it in car?
Good job on the video! I'm like you, I understand a lot about cams and what they do etc., but putting them in myself? No way! Understanding how they work and installing them are way different things. I'll change the wheels and plugs and oil, etc. But I leave internal engine stuff to my mechanic!
I myself have been looking at cams. However I'm not sure if I will gain much. I currently run the whipple gen 5 3.0 running 23lbs on E70/ARH 1 7/8" headers an other supporting mods! Dyno Jet numbers 908/800.
Custom cams from Todd would gain you a considerable amount. Email him
Dude your setup is optimal for a cam upgrade...meaning its prob gonna gain as much as anyone will going cams. You have a setup that youre pushing pretty good in a setup like that the cams really hold you back at high rpm. For example bj the guy from venomous tuning that tunes mostly gt500s i think he had the car "christine" that was a vmp test car for a long time. It was on e85 gen2r 2.4 upper 15% lower mac effort setup it was setup kinda like your car and on e85...they literally picked up 80 rwhp with just the cams i wouldnt be surprised if you pick up close to that. Different cars but very similar in layout and the results would be similar imo.
Another good video.
Thank you sir
It’s all in the exhaust set up!!! I have stock cams that are degreed a little advanced and with longtubes off road h pipe dyno max mini race bullets dumped it almost sounds cammed I have an idle vid in my videos check it out
Nice wheels, what are they?
What are the wheels on the convertible cobra ?
Still a great video !
Ty answered my question not doing it
I go to pete as well for dyno
I'm trying to decide between Kurgan and Warren cams. Is there a better option or will they both perform the same?
I won't speak ill of Kurgan publically. I don't have any experience using him.
I will say however that the experience I've had with Todd could not have been better
Great vid and really nice cobra. You made some really good explanations on picking 2 outta 3. I’m looking for a terminator now prefer vert though. It has custom grind cams and it’s tuned by kurgan Motorsports. I’m really wanting this car but he is hesitant to sell. He says the cams have caused no issues. Not sure which of the two out of three it has. Any info on one modded under 40k miles for sale let me know. Thanks
Kurgans cams definitely choo harder than mine. Honestly, probably 90% of the cams out there are more "aggressively degreed" than mine
I have a question how due I get a hold of Todd so I can show him my dog just to learn more about building my engine for my daily 2v trying to make about 600hp to 700hp
Either find his FB group, or his email. It's in the info
Not if your looking at long term value...
Does your k member move your front wheels back a few inches?
I think it's more an optical illusion than anything. The location should be within 1/4"
Hey buddy I just have my stock terminator and I want to put more power on the car how can I do it can you help me I just want 500 hp
That’s what I said ! Now I have over 600 and like it a lot better then 500 👍🏻
@@CobraChipper Give it more hp..
What was your HP??
So cams alone got you 140 wheel with the 2.9?
No
Cams and Gen 2 to Gen4 Crusher
@@Intervention302 ah, to the gen 4. Those are still really impressive numbers. How much do you think the cams added alone?
Can you run your cams with a stock blower without losing HP?
You might gain the same percentage, but that total number will be drastically lower. Maybe gain 20-25whp
The video thumbnail threw me off but I see what's going on now lol
What brand wheels are those?
BC Forged TD03
Shit 04 Cobra running rich new motor! BBR FLORIDA DID MY MOTOR IM IN NEW YORK! Wish I new You!
What are you cam grind specs
Todd doesn't necessarily like them publicly blasted out. Just the specs themselves don't tell the whole story either. You can have identical ground cams, but vastly different results base Don hoe they are timed up
@@Intervention302 does he reply to emails
Kevin are those stage 2 cams
Custom Todd Warren cams