A lot of good points on supercharger upgrades. Most people don't invest enough time researching. Research is the most important part of a build. Best of all, it's free.
I know everything your saying is valid and I totally agree with everything your saying, a 4.0 whipple is ABSOLUTELY overkill... but I still want one so damn badly lol.
I really like how you explained everything on this video, from all the technical points and why it makes little sense with a stock motor, I never thought about it like that, I thought that lag will kill the experience and you will go thru belts like crazy lol .. But how you explained it with the cobra crankshaft makes total sense. Thanks for video Danny! Great content as usual 🙏🏻
yeah totally agree with you, I got a 3.4 whipple and it turned out to be a lot more than I expected. Took a while to get everything right and a whole lot of work
There is no one better than you and your brother to follow when it comes to building your terminator. You guys did it perfectly. When they say go turbo, does that also include compound boost?
Typically not (compound boost being both the supercharger and a turbo). It’s been done but it’s a complicated system. You’ll make enough boost on one or the other that you don’t need 2 sources
I have a 3.4 Whipple on 30 PSI and I would have to agree with the turbo point. Car is very fun but thinking back i probably shoulda went turbo. The 3.4 is a PITA to work on, the removable inlet is key. If VMP made a 3.0 with removable i'd ponder that.
Running that same 2.3 Whipple and I think a 2.9 G4 or 3.0 G5 and cams are in my future. I already have long tubes sitting by ready to install during a big job
I ran a Gen 2 2.3 Whipple for 5 years, I only recently upgraded because of the last Black Friday sale and a local buddy that wanted my Gen 2. I'm running a Gen 4 2.9 with a standard inlet and it's great! 👍🏿
Excellent video Danny! To quote a popular cliche', "bigger is not always better"! I've always been a fan of the whipple 2.3 and that blower along with the other popular brands in the same size range are easily capable of netting you a good 600+whp street machine setup. You don't need any more than that to have a strong, fun and reasonably safe street beast. I laugh at these guys that are having a pissing contest to boast the bigger, nastier blower. If they aren't educated enough to know the risks and dangers, not to mention the expenses involved in doing that, they will find out soon enough...the hard way! BTW, nice race bro!
Hey Danny..Paul from Ohio..very good vid... I agree with you about the larger blowers...I have a 2.3 Whipple...4lb lower..and 3.25 upper...my boost is 20lbs...with the tune it has now..640rwhp...the shop that did my cams built 3 tunes...93 daily...93 hot..and a 100 octane race gas only tune...which I’ve not used..as 640 seems enough..when they did the cams..they installed an ARP head stud kit..I wanted a little more bling under the hood so I stripped the anodizing off the blower snout and pulley and then polished w/ Mothers aluminum polish..what a difference..I used Eastwood’s anodizing remover...anyway great vid and take care..😀.
Hey Danny love your vids but I was curious about superchargers for my 03 terminator because I want to make around 600-650 whp and was curious about what whipple supercharger you would recommend for me to get to help me get to or near those numbers
Very nice cobra i own 1998 mustang gt 5 speed and i want to go with gt500 swap and t56 6speed so i stop spending money on my 2 valve the only mods it has is pulleys cold air intake and x pipe with slp lm1
This might be slightly off topic but im supercharging my 99gt and i was wondering if you recommended a tork tech with an m112 or a 2.1 kennebell for my first blower setup? Thanks for any advice
My goal is a 2.9 whipple with e85 I think that’s enough power for me, I just want a street car that’ll handle 9/10 of the cars I come across on the road
Thats what i just got done buildin, we should be close to 800wheel. Id really sugguest you do headstuds for that, its the only thing i forgot to do and its hanging in the back of my mind the whole time.
I like turbos for auto cars more. It’s annoying to drive them and have boost come on right before shifting, almost like someone pushing the gas down for you when you don’t want. Positive displacement blowers make all the power instantly and consistently. To each their own
Hey Danny we seen how your brother did to get his car ready for his blower ,perhaps you can make a video on what you did to your car to get it ready ,what kind of pumps injectors etc. I noticed that your car Doesn’t have a return fuel line
Interesting comment regarding what boost to run on a whipple 2.9. My Gen 4 sees 18.5-19PSI and feels great, but now I'm wondering how it'll feel at 20-22PSI. 🤔
Its the pump gas limit to these cars lpl. Its all about the octane...you want above 600 reliably you gotta up your octane or mod your engine with cams and stuff like that.
How would you adjust the motor height? I have Max Motorsport Mounts and the motor looks like it sits lower than planned.. Any ideas on how to raise and lower the motor?
A lot has to do with the k member and motor mounts. The ones you bought may be intended to help larger blowers fit under the hood. Other than some kind of spacer or shim I’m not sure what you would be able to do without going back to OEM mounts
I have a question for you. I have a pretty much stock 02 Roush 360R. My question is, is the stock eaton m90 useless for getting more power? I was wanting to keep the Roushcharger and have some engine work done to increase horsepower, but I am afraid that the supercharger will be too restrictive. What are your thoughts?
If you have the stock bottom end you'll be limited to 450rwhp, so I think that should be your max target (assuming you have a stock bottom end). That would be achievable with the m90 and full mods. The m112 on my brother's Bullitt was capable of surpassing 450rwhp but he also had a built bottom end. Before you go to the trouble of swapping the blower, consider doing so once you build the bottom end. Just my opinion
Hi Danny thanks for the video i’m curious you have a 2.3 if you had to do it over again would you go to the 2.9? I am considering buying a Whipple and I am in a little bit of indecision at this point on which one to go with.
Yes, this car came with the 2.3L installed. I would have done the 2.9L. The 2.3 is a great little blower and not to far behind, but Its always better to have more potential for growth or changes down the road. If I were starting all over now I would do the gen 5 3.0L whipple. My brother has the 2.65L from VMP and it's also a great supercharger. ua-cam.com/video/L9vX6JeppDk/v-deo.html
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage I’m curious Danny if you could make a recommendation about fuel system upgrade before I put a Whipple on my 04 cobra. Currently I have a stock fuel system with the PPRV delete. I just need some advice on what direction to go plan on the car always being on 93 octane. Thanks in advance for any advice you may offer!
I feel the whipple 3.0L Gen 5 and TVS 2.65L have shown those companies are tying to make new advancements while kenne bell appears to offer the same technology from the past. The newer blowers seem to outperform the old tech. Not that a 2.8 is bad, but maybe turning into not the best option for new buyers. Just my thoughts
I'm tired of the turbo/auto argument. That's all track crap. Not everyone wants or needs to run a number on the track. If turbo/auto is your plan, just buy a GT and build a motor or a Mach 1. It's literally dumb to buy a car like a Terminator and completely remove everything that makes it what it is in the name of lower ET's.
Yes, once ported it’s a great idea to go to 60# fuel injectors (assuming you’re still on pump gas. E85 would require even bigger as well as a fuel system), if you don’t have anything done to your fuel system you’ll probably need a better pump (assuming you don’t have a terminator fuel pump with twin pumps), add a boost a pump, plugs gapped to .030, and maybe a mafia maf extender or bigger maf. My brothers 10th had stock injectors, BAP, and no mafia and it was ok but pushing it
I wouldn’t. Kenne bell made a small 2.1 kit that was both intercooled or non-intercooled, but you won’t get good results. Even worse, you’ll remove the knock sensors to make the lower manifold fit so you’ll have less control on pulling timing if it knocks. Terminators don’t have knock sensors so they pull timing off coolant temp and intake charge temp. Also, a 2.9 would have to be run with a 3.5” or larger pulley to keep the boost level down. Any more than 8-10 psi will make too much power for the connecting rods. You’ll want to be under 500rwhp
@@TopMach1 a knock sensor listens/feels for vibrations in the engine that would be at a frequency where it knows the fuel is igniting before it’s supposed to. This is called pre-ignition or “knocking” or “pinging.” Once it determines it is happening, the computer adjusts the ignition timing (when the spark plug is told to fire). Terminators do not have them since the extra noise of the supercharger and not being advanced technology to run with a supercharger with how fast development was done on the 03/04 cobra. Ford later figured it out on the GT500. Most cars have knock sensors, but the lower intake manifold is not designed to fit with them on the mach 1 so you typically shave off the mounting area (“bosses”) when adding a lower intake manifold and supercharger for the mach 1
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage damn, I am actually getting a terminator tomorrow, and it has a catch can on the drivers side but not the passenger. Does it matter how many you have? It has a new gen 2 vmp set up with tons of other mods, buts it’s a well taken care of car
Danny you should get a retune how could you only be at 600 wheel.my son has an 03 with 50k miles we home ported the blower it has accufab single blade and elbow.arh headers lethal return system .and e85 it was tuned at Deans performance it made 540 wheel.
I don't know how some of you guys still have the stock brakes, pushing this kind of HP. I'm only pushing about 485HP and I went with Brembo brakes up front. Huge difference..the stock brakes are not that great..
@@marcozr3138 you dont need to lower the compression itll be fine ecspecially with boostane. Idk the exact answer im a cobra/older gt500 guy not familiar with boost numbers on coyotes.
A lot of good points. Putting a bigger blower on mine has always been a goal since I got my 04 Cobra last year and I've brought it up on my channel a few times. I know people that watch have been wondering what I'm going to get. I'll give one hint......Its black lol
A lot of good points on supercharger upgrades. Most people don't invest enough time researching. Research is the most important part of a build. Best of all, it's free.
I know everything your saying is valid and I totally agree with everything your saying, a 4.0 whipple is ABSOLUTELY overkill... but I still want one so damn badly lol.
I'm glad I jumped on a gen2 2.3 vmp blower 700hp on e85 is enough for me
I really like how you explained everything on this video, from all the technical points and why it makes little sense with a stock motor, I never thought about it like that, I thought that lag will kill the experience and you will go thru belts like crazy lol .. But how you explained it with the cobra crankshaft makes total sense. Thanks for video Danny! Great content as usual 🙏🏻
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it 👍🏼
That lady in the jags mind was blown...lol..
I’m glad I hooked or I never would have caught her
yeah totally agree with you, I got a 3.4 whipple and it turned out to be a lot more than I expected. Took a while to get everything right and a whole lot of work
Never thought I’d see a video of Danny street racing😂 made my day.
😆 🐍💨
There is no one better than you and your brother to follow when it comes to building your terminator. You guys did it perfectly. When they say go turbo, does that also include compound boost?
Typically not (compound boost being both the supercharger and a turbo). It’s been done but it’s a complicated system. You’ll make enough boost on one or the other that you don’t need 2 sources
Thank you for the info. In the process of buying a new blower for my cobra with 8000 mile on it .
I think you’ll enjoy the install video as well ua-cam.com/video/L9vX6JeppDk/v-deo.html
I have a 3.4 Whipple on 30 PSI and I would have to agree with the turbo point. Car is very fun but thinking back i probably shoulda went turbo. The 3.4 is a PITA to work on, the removable inlet is key. If VMP made a 3.0 with removable i'd ponder that.
Very well said. Great video
Running that same 2.3 Whipple and I think a 2.9 G4 or 3.0 G5 and cams are in my future. I already have long tubes sitting by ready to install during a big job
I ran a Gen 2 2.3 Whipple for 5 years, I only recently upgraded because of the last Black Friday sale and a local buddy that wanted my Gen 2. I'm running a Gen 4 2.9 with a standard inlet and it's great! 👍🏿
Excellent video Danny! To quote a popular cliche', "bigger is not always better"! I've always been a fan of the whipple 2.3 and that blower along with the other popular brands in the same size range are easily capable of netting you a good 600+whp street machine setup. You don't need any more than that to have a strong, fun and reasonably safe street beast. I laugh at these guys that are having a pissing contest to boast the bigger, nastier blower. If they aren't educated enough to know the risks and dangers, not to mention the expenses involved in doing that, they will find out soon enough...the hard way! BTW, nice race bro!
Well said 🙌🏼 Thanks 🐍💨
Hey Danny..Paul from Ohio..very good vid... I agree with you about the larger blowers...I have a 2.3 Whipple...4lb lower..and 3.25 upper...my boost is 20lbs...with the tune it has now..640rwhp...the shop that did my cams built 3 tunes...93 daily...93 hot..and a 100 octane race gas only tune...which I’ve not used..as 640 seems enough..when they did the cams..they installed an ARP head stud kit..I wanted a little more bling under the hood so I stripped the anodizing off the blower snout and pulley and then polished w/ Mothers aluminum polish..what a difference..I used Eastwood’s anodizing remover...anyway great vid and take care..😀.
Very nice! Thanks for the comment. 👍🏼
Hey Danny love your vids but I was curious about superchargers for my 03 terminator because I want to make around 600-650 whp and was curious about what whipple supercharger you would recommend for me to get to help me get to or near those numbers
Gen 4 whipple 2.9L or Gen 5 whipple 3.0L will be perfect for that
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage would the 2.9 be fine with stock engine because I know the 03-04 cobras have strong ones
You can keep your turbo/auto. There is still a lot of cons with a turbo setup. It’s all about what you like.
Very nice cobra i own 1998 mustang gt 5 speed and i want to go with gt500 swap and t56 6speed so i stop spending money on my 2 valve the only mods it has is pulleys cold air intake and x pipe with slp lm1
This might be slightly off topic but im supercharging my 99gt and i was wondering if you recommended a tork tech with an m112 or a 2.1 kennebell for my first blower setup? Thanks for any advice
Both are great options. My brother had tork tech and my friend had the Kenne bell on his GT.
My goal is a 2.9 whipple with e85 I think that’s enough power for me, I just want a street car that’ll handle 9/10 of the cars I come across on the road
Thats what i just got done buildin, we should be close to 800wheel. Id really sugguest you do headstuds for that, its the only thing i forgot to do and its hanging in the back of my mind the whole time.
It’s like you just read my Instagram messages about my plans for this car but yes totally agree I would just hate to remove the whine from the car !
If you want more power but dont want to lose the whine just get a 2.2kb and do some extra cooling mods
I would do the kb 2.2 for the whine !
@@aMpvTRiCKy they don’t make enough power love the whine super loud but I decided on getting a g5 3.0
@@stephenalexander2427 you ever heard a ported Eaton whine with the side holes tac welded shut ??
Turbochargers for the win :-)
I like turbos for auto cars more. It’s annoying to drive them and have boost come on right before shifting, almost like someone pushing the gas down for you when you don’t want. Positive displacement blowers make all the power instantly and consistently. To each their own
Great video! Is this mostly concerning 03/04 cobras? Because I do have one on my 13 shelby.
Man I really appreciate this video
I love the oh spoiler comment...that cracks me up...HILARIOUS.....🤣🤣
“He was a SHE” 😅😅
Hey Danny we seen how your brother did to get his car ready for his blower ,perhaps you can make a video on what you did to your car to get it ready ,what kind of pumps injectors etc. I noticed that your car Doesn’t have a return fuel line
Interesting comment regarding what boost to run on a whipple 2.9. My Gen 4 sees 18.5-19PSI and feels great, but now I'm wondering how it'll feel at 20-22PSI. 🤔
Great info!
Interesting talk.
Great video !
Hope you do a video on nitrous Eaton vs bigger blowers.
It seems 600 is the funny hp limit to these cars !
Its the pump gas limit to these cars lpl. Its all about the octane...you want above 600 reliably you gotta up your octane or mod your engine with cams and stuff like that.
? Where can I get those blue valve covers?
ua-cam.com/video/RA8LDbinRj4/v-deo.htmlsi=oaHfqhp_3TZUSmok
How would you adjust the motor height? I have Max Motorsport Mounts and the motor looks like it sits lower than planned.. Any ideas on how to raise and lower the motor?
A lot has to do with the k member and motor mounts. The ones you bought may be intended to help larger blowers fit under the hood. Other than some kind of spacer or shim I’m not sure what you would be able to do without going back to OEM mounts
Someone buy my twin turbo kit. I'm going back to a blower lol
I have a question for you. I have a pretty much stock 02 Roush 360R. My question is, is the stock eaton m90 useless for getting more power? I was wanting to keep the Roushcharger and have some engine work done to increase horsepower, but I am afraid that the supercharger will be too restrictive. What are your thoughts?
If you have the stock bottom end you'll be limited to 450rwhp, so I think that should be your max target (assuming you have a stock bottom end). That would be achievable with the m90 and full mods. The m112 on my brother's Bullitt was capable of surpassing 450rwhp but he also had a built bottom end. Before you go to the trouble of swapping the blower, consider doing so once you build the bottom end. Just my opinion
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage thank you for the info. Do you think the m90 could surpass 450 with a built bottom end or would it start limiting the engine?
I think you’d need a larger blower past 450rwhp
Hi Danny thanks for the video i’m curious you have a 2.3 if you had to do it over again would you go to the 2.9? I am considering buying a Whipple and I am in a little bit of indecision at this point on which one to go with.
Yes, this car came with the 2.3L installed. I would have done the 2.9L. The 2.3 is a great little blower and not to far behind, but Its always better to have more potential for growth or changes down the road. If I were starting all over now I would do the gen 5 3.0L whipple. My brother has the 2.65L from VMP and it's also a great supercharger. ua-cam.com/video/L9vX6JeppDk/v-deo.html
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage I’m curious Danny if you could make a recommendation about fuel system upgrade before I put a Whipple on my 04 cobra. Currently I have a stock fuel system with the PPRV delete. I just need some advice on what direction to go plan on the car always being on 93 octane. Thanks in advance for any advice you may offer!
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage A gen 5 3.0L would be ok to run on a stock motor?
Whats your take on the 2.8kblc? I feel like it doesn't get much love anymore
I feel the whipple 3.0L Gen 5 and TVS 2.65L have shown those companies are tying to make new advancements while kenne bell appears to offer the same technology from the past. The newer blowers seem to outperform the old tech. Not that a 2.8 is bad, but maybe turning into not the best option for new buyers. Just my thoughts
I'm tired of the turbo/auto argument. That's all track crap. Not everyone wants or needs to run a number on the track. If turbo/auto is your plan, just buy a GT and build a motor or a Mach 1. It's literally dumb to buy a car like a Terminator and completely remove everything that makes it what it is in the name of lower ET's.
Would you be able to educate me on the requirements that may need to be made to have a stock Eaton ported? Bigger injectors, tune, fuel?
Yes, once ported it’s a great idea to go to 60# fuel injectors (assuming you’re still on pump gas. E85 would require even bigger as well as a fuel system), if you don’t have anything done to your fuel system you’ll probably need a better pump (assuming you don’t have a terminator fuel pump with twin pumps), add a boost a pump, plugs gapped to .030, and maybe a mafia maf extender or bigger maf. My brothers 10th had stock injectors, BAP, and no mafia and it was ok but pushing it
BAP ua-cam.com/video/kb5GOgXJatE/v-deo.html
Gapping plugs ua-cam.com/video/tlFIIER0NAg/v-deo.html
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage I highly appreciate the feedback and will watch the links you’ve sent me!
Can you run a 2.9 liter Whipple on a 2003 Mach1 with 60lb injectors, Ford GT fuel pump without a intercooler?
I wouldn’t. Kenne bell made a small 2.1 kit that was both intercooled or non-intercooled, but you won’t get good results. Even worse, you’ll remove the knock sensors to make the lower manifold fit so you’ll have less control on pulling timing if it knocks. Terminators don’t have knock sensors so they pull timing off coolant temp and intake charge temp. Also, a 2.9 would have to be run with a 3.5” or larger pulley to keep the boost level down. Any more than 8-10 psi will make too much power for the connecting rods. You’ll want to be under 500rwhp
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage you sound like you know what your talking about lol
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage whats the purpose of the Knock sensors why do Machs have them??
@@TopMach1 a knock sensor listens/feels for vibrations in the engine that would be at a frequency where it knows the fuel is igniting before it’s supposed to. This is called pre-ignition or “knocking” or “pinging.” Once it determines it is happening, the computer adjusts the ignition timing (when the spark plug is told to fire). Terminators do not have them since the extra noise of the supercharger and not being advanced technology to run with a supercharger with how fast development was done on the 03/04 cobra. Ford later figured it out on the GT500. Most cars have knock sensors, but the lower intake manifold is not designed to fit with them on the mach 1 so you typically shave off the mounting area (“bosses”) when adding a lower intake manifold and supercharger for the mach 1
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage so would I have to delete knock sensors or tune them out for 2.9 Whipple
Is that like a catch can type on the pcv tube to the intake tube on the passenger side?
Yes, it’s called a pre-filter but JLT decided they’re better off just selling you another catch can than offer it anymore
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage damn, I am actually getting a terminator tomorrow, and it has a catch can on the drivers side but not the passenger. Does it matter how many you have? It has a new gen 2 vmp set up with tons of other mods, buts it’s a well taken care of car
@@SayT210 you’ll want another one for the passenger side too so oil doesn’t go into the intake and clog up the intercooler
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage ok, thanks man. It’s my first terminator, and I’ve been watching all your videos for a while, they sure do help
You have a 3.00 pulley on a gen ll?
Yes
And after going turbo you're still need alil more power so right back to the 4.0 you go and then TWINCHARGHER BABY WEEOOW!!! Lol xD
Danny you should get a retune how could you only be at 600 wheel.my son has an 03 with 50k miles we home ported the blower it has accufab single blade and elbow.arh headers lethal return system .and e85 it was tuned at Deans performance it made 540 wheel.
Because he’s on e85. I’d be up 100hp on an e85 tune. You can run more timing and boost with e85 as the octane rating is nearly 100
J2 intercooler ftw iats never above 120 on 26#s
gen4 or gen 5 whipple > 4.0 whipple
I don't know how some of you guys still have the stock brakes, pushing this kind of HP. I'm only pushing about 485HP and I went with Brembo brakes up front. Huge difference..the stock brakes are not that great..
How much boost can i go on a gen3r with 93 and boostane on a coyoty 5.0
Look on coyote forums or ask on facebook. Be careful tho, coyotes are high compression motors. You should really be on e85
@@aMpvTRiCKy if i lower the compression can i keep pump gas and go more boost forged rods and pistons no e85 in canada
marco zr thats a question for the coyote people
@@marcozr3138 you dont need to lower the compression itll be fine ecspecially with boostane. Idk the exact answer im a cobra/older gt500 guy not familiar with boost numbers on coyotes.
@@midnight347 i was told if i lower the compression i can go more boost
A lot of good points. Putting a bigger blower on mine has always been a goal since I got my 04 Cobra last year and I've brought it up on my channel a few times. I know people that watch have been wondering what I'm going to get. I'll give one hint......Its black lol
Hahaha they are all black, besides the factory one lol
@@TheMGChannel exactly 🤣🤣