The rear end looks to me like the cheap Intruder. Just can't get that off my mind. Yeah the tank and headlights are great. For me the speed/scram look way better in whole. Also looks are subjective and this is what I feel.
I would go for the HD X440 anyday. Though, SPEED 400 looks more stylish, it has many plastic panels to reduce the weight. Ground clearance is very necessary for Indian roads and HD has 170mm whereas SPEED offers only 158mm. Also, the Harley offers a modern looking TFT display with connected features as standard. Engine is smoother in Harley and it offers a more relaxed riding dynamic. So, it's HD X440 for me. 😊😊😊
No body speeks about fuel consumtion , these are not hyper sports bikes for race tracks . They will be used for daily commute at max and not for lexure driving all the time . Fuel consumption matters considering unpredictable fuel costs
Bro Yamaha is bringing r3/mt03 and r7/mt07 and mt09 this year.... Now coming to xsr 155, it will never make it to India.. Why? Yamaha is working on india specific legacy bike rx100 successor...
it is so amazing that Karan has so many knowledge about bikes, specifically when he mentioned about the memory of lifting your bike and parking it, I don’t think anyone has ever said anything like this. Amazing podcast PD ❤❤❤
Please please please do a podcast on the same topic after thorough testing too. All variants of both, with and without extra bells and whistles, service station experiences included. ❤❤❤ PowerDrift
Why nobody is talking about spares and service cost for god's sake, if it's getting compared to a RE or KTM and talking about making a dent in RE shares but what about expected maintenance cost if people will consider it over an RE, they'll surely consider this aspect as well.
I think the cost of service would be cheaper as well. You can get a rough estimate by the ex showroom price of showroom. May be slightly expensive compared to other bikes in segment.
@@irock6490 I really hope so brother because I've already booked the bike and really willing to get it but the only thing which is creating some doubts is maintanence cost
My only request is please review the pillion seat comfort this time! I find the pillion seats not so comfy they gives me same impression of the KTM or Ronin for that matter like they have just made to rest the backpack of the rider! We are Indian and we buy this Motorcycles to go along with a pillion on long rides it will take another decade time to still live the western life of going solo for the mass. I suggest as you describe the four wheeler segment for both the drivers and the passenger seat & leg space comfort do keep a good care pillion ride comfort in two wheeler segment too by riding it along with the pillion for 100-150km stretch and describe its comfort and add the pillion review in your every video along with the riders reviews. I have noticed that though you make spectacular videos you always miss on that very important point rather you test drive a Honda Shine or RE Meteor. So please keep the pillion comfort review which comes should come directly from the pillion rider for a short interval in your video as standard as Freddie Dobbs do in his every review and he knows how to keep it very short and to the point. If I can watch a 47 min podcast of you guys sitting in a room I surly can give 1.5 more minutes to know the pillion's experience associate with those bikes and what are their recommendation because it matters alot and it can also change the Buyers/Dreamers mind set to switch from HD 440 to Speed 400 or ather to activa!
Talking about the quality of Hero, I own xpulse 200 4v and I had a dead battery within 4k km. Some have fuel pump issues. The 2v version is notoriously famous for engine issues. Xpulse is the current flagship of hero and has so many quality issues.
and on top of that, their service is abysmal. horrendous post sale service experience. selling my xpulse at just 12k km, and never going to buy a hero again. irrespective of whether the bike they make is good or not, their service centers are gonna ruin the bike no matter what.
@@powerdriftofficial engine issues in 2v are a huge problem and sure with 4v that might not be the case.... But 1 thing that remains unchanged is the service centers... No matter how good the bike... The service centera ruin the bikes. For eg. I went for a off road track event and I bent my handle bar because I landed a jump a little wrong, took it to the service center... They took a week to get the Handle cause part availability issues.. That's not that much of an issue. But, when they did change it... They installed the 200t handle bar, I kept saying it's the wrong one... They dint listen.... And ever since then... It's been 3 years... Gone to many different hero service centre.. Every time the same thing, yes sir it will be fixed...parts are available... Keeps bike for a week.. And then return it saying sorry sir part not available. 🤌🏽🤬
@@powerdriftofficial 4V has been improved in quality compared to 2V. The main issue for Hero is that the parts that they are getting from third-party suppliers are not being quality checked properly. Buying this bike is like a lottery. If you are lucky, you will get one with no issues..
Brilliant podcast. 🤘 Well articulated, covering all the points that I wanted to hear about these two brands' new stable additions. I'm not exactly in the market for a motorcycle but this podcast has most definitely piqued my curiosity to kind of reconsider my stance. Good show 👏
@@powerdriftofficial I'd say. Creating waves these both are, and rightly so. Exciting times ahead for sure 🤘 Bloody kickass job as always, PD. Waiting for more content on these. PS: VP...digging the beard, mate!
Whoever thinks the HD x440 is a better looking motorcycle than the speed 400 need to have their eyes examined; The x440 is a cheap looking messy design and the triumph speed is a premium looking cohesive design.
triumph always has misc charges on all their bikes. I believe they panicked with the pricing of x440 and did not include their misc charges in the ex-showroom price
First of all. Varun with beards is a treat to watch 😂 Second of all. The conversations seem very raw and very genuine, kind of content I was looking out from PD FROM LONG TIME you guys nailed it. ❤ ❤❤
i think they've put out a statement clarifying that - on-road prices will only be revealed on 10 July and anything disclosed before that isn't confirmed
A correction to the spec is that Duke is 171kg, and Dominar is a whopping 192kg for the 400. Also Triumph makes max power at 8k RPM compared to 8800-8900 on the Duke and Dominar, so probably the engine is a bit less stressed.
Regardless of the initial batch quality, the X440 is the one that will dent RE sales more than the triumph. The speed will actually entirely kill the dominar in large cities, and also engulf the 390 sales by a lot. X440 seems to be my choice, now that its clearer that triumph will be a spirited ride requiring some effort, while the X440 is EFFORTLESS
I booked speed 400 and now I got to know it will be around 3.38 lacs on road in bangalore. And in Kolkata it will be around 2.9 lacs. What should I do?
That’s a marketing policy of triumph. They launched their bikes in so cheap rate but when it comes to on road price it goes too much high. In that case it goes upto 1 lakh ..like,seriously?
It is not true. It is being circulated - but is fake. Also, don't trust Keerthi Triumph in Bangalore. No one knows the exact price but it should be 2.8ish on road.
Im going to have my first bike and my uncle said he going to gift an harley x440 he already booked it, I stay in Bangalore doing my mba , in weekends i want to go to the long rides like 300km , what do you prefer the HD x400 or triumph s400 and one more mileage is important i am a student so😅
Dude the guy other than varun doesn't know anything. Dominar is not 172 kgs its 186 khs, duke 390 is 171kgs. And 80% of torque on triumph is available from 3000rpm i.e 30 Nm. Atleast get your facts right guys. You guys have a reputation
Imagine RE launching a classic100 for the sake of competing with a splendor and reaching the masses. Imagine it not having any characteristics of RE or what the brand stands. The looks, sound and emotions it generates are the primary characteristics of brands like RE and harley. If they fail on these counts what are they selling? What is HD trying to tell the Indian consumer with the x440?
A roadster derived from Xr1200...Harleys are not all about hefty crusing motorcycle...they have pan america which is different and the XR range is Morden age Harley...people saying the design is bad have not seen this in flesh...hero bikes are never photogenic and this is the same
@@vroombk If I undertake a market research on behalf of say a premium brand (likes of say Harley or BMW for example) to launch a product in a mass market (or high volume) segment, due to the aspiration levels of the customer in that segment, the market research will indicate a great opportunity. Now do I want to venture into that segment? If I want to venture into that segment can I do it without diluting what my brand stands for? BMW with their g310r did a good job, triumph seems to have done a good job. My only issue is this doesn't seem well put together. Even if they wanted to enter this segment, something close to the HD X350 (QJ motors) in terms finish, looks and quality would have been great.
As you guys say it at @12:00 about Triumph "it looks like a well engineered motorcycle that wears a triumph badge with honour. It is not just put there to get sales figures." Well from the looks of it HD has just put a badge to get sales figures.
Absolutely right Harley should sell at Harley!!!! Yes they can do a nexa showroom like maruti... But the can't sell Toyota in maruti... Hero has .. Xtreme, xpulse, xkarizma if it is called that.. they can have an xcruze.. a hero version of Harley if they want... But sell .. Harley at harley
This is all result of RE 650s. RE who was a small bike manufacturer went to Triumph's home and started selling big bikes, now Triumph is coming to Enfield's home to sell smaller bikes. The tables have turned. Bajaj has showed that they are the flagship Indian mass manufacturer. They have left Hero, TVS way behind. If any foreign brands wants to get their product mass produced they should only come to Bajaj. Their pricing of Triumph is something that would fit decade old tax regime when I bought new Pulsar 200NS for ₹ 96,000 on-road in 2012.
@Geeth16 So that makes them a big bike manufacturer because they made one in 1960s? That's like saying Lamborghini is a tractor manufacturer because they used to make them long ago. 99% of RE sales up until now were 20 bhp 350cc bikes which considered small in developed markets. Even now over 80% of RE sales come from 350cc.
let's wait and see the production versions because the website is specifically highlighting the fact the production version will vary. Paint quality is something which can be easily improved and with my knowledge, a lot of hero products esp vida has customisation options and Harley is famous for customisation
@@samanbasoor I doubt there will be any improvements in fit and finish from the first ride reviewers got as such changes take many many months. There will be accessories like windshield, seat cover, belly pan and luggage etc but all that doesn't change the fact that it's quality is significantly lower than Triumph's. Triumph has set the new benchmark for quality in sub 5 lakh motorcycles. Harley styling is unfinished. It looks best in vivid red color imo.
@@surajtomar4870 well there is a new video out of a customer who just visited the Harley showroom! And saw the bike first hand and recorded it! The quality looks much better esp the paint! The May grey looks much darker and richer. Also, there is a screw at the rear section which will allow people to customise the rear
Both bajaj nd hero have done a great job!! 👏..... Anyone commenting negatives even powedrift, is jus nitpicking!! 😊... We shud be greatfull to bajaj nd hero 🙌
All the fellows are will climb up right now but what's tha actual problems like service cost, spare parts cost, maintenance cost and lastly running cost just wait and watch for 3 months atleast all facts will come up after that one can think about..... The biggest issue will be right now the existing service centres...
On the quality, even though this Harley is made by Hero but in America Harley's are notorious for poor quality and breaking down often (just like pre j-platform Enfield).
I get why Harley went with a XR1200 roadster look rather than a traditional cruiser, indian roads r not meant for those low ground clearance cruiser and also sales r very few in that segment which is evident in recent meteor 650 and bajaj avengers
If Hero-Harley had released a measly 300cc v-twin for 3 lakh ex showroom, I would have instantly booked it and that would have been an authentic Harley, it would be India's first v-twin engine and it would be an international product. They should have released something like QJmotor/Keeway 302c. If imported QJ SRV 300 costs 3.5 lakh than I am sure Hero could have made it under 3 lakhs.
Ex showroom price is good no doubt but dealers here in banglore are asking 3.3 lakh on road for speed.. so i guess this aggressive price is of no use as far as dealers are thieves. Especially keerthi triumph dealer here in blr.
dealers in other state are quoting similar price.. probably this is the strategy of Bajaj triumph to recover the cost. When it was launched I doubted the price.. how can it be less than KTM
accidently you boys made a super masala podcast whilst having the embargo in place... not sure if comparison also falls under "opinion" ... LOL... well im glad that i clicked on this video... Im gonna wait for Scrambler... and gonna get rid of my scrambler/Bagger built TB500 once Scrambler version of Triumph 400 is available... i guess will justify skipping hero's 450 and RE's 450 Himalayan... would love to hear some thoughts on same...
What about braking on the HD X440? A lot was said and heard about the unreliable braking especially on street 750 resulting in crashes. Anything update on that?
@powerdrift What should be the on road price for the bike in Mumbai? Dealership mentioned that it would go up to 3L. Is this justifiable as the ex showroom is 2.23L/2.33L?
Guys thanks for this discussion which every rider+ youtuber is talking about..you still haven't discussed the imp part of On Road Price which is almost 1L more...and yes that was the WHAAATTTT moment for all... Bajaj has officially put on a statement on this yesterday. ..how you gonna take this and showcase these dealer atrocities to all??
34:45 - I am not agree with this point that most of the customer of Royal enfield are Bikers.. The truth is Royal Enfield bikes are now everywhere. On the road you can see every 1 of the 5 bike is RE..
And so is the harley… I seriously don’t understand why indian brands like Hero and bajaj sold out to foreign makers despite of them doing most of the Rnd for these bikes Nobody really wants a Harley or a triumph we just want a good RE alternative
Harley davison just announce that the 440x can be booked and deliver through Hero showrooms, which is the best strategy to increase sales and profit. Will triumph bajaj do the same?? If not then triumph will fall behind
This is why this guy's have 26lkhs subscribers .. great discussion 🙏 But I think hero Harley win the race..for - 1. They have service centre & dealership everywhere in india..like my small Zcity Coochbehar also have a big service centre & dealership..on the other hand Triumph don't have any showroom around me 200km range.. in Siliguri.. the don't have.. 2. Hero service cost is Affordable 3. On road price of Triumph is too high 🙄 make no sense..they only tweeted yesterday only they are thinking on that.. Jitne dino Mai Triumph aye sab karega Hero baji marke Lee jayega 😅 I think Bajaj with the wrong partner..who don't allow to sell & service from Bajaj..
Harley are pre production units and the deliveries start in October...hero is already reworking on fit and finish...actually the colors on Harley make it look a poorly finished bike...Triumph has much lively colors
@@divyambhatia6542 HD is not really known for quality stuff. They have always represented the Pure American Power might but compared to international players they have never been quality player. Even Indian motorcycles have made better quality bikes than HD.
@@lutenic6111 That was an arrogant Harley...this is a Harley struggling to make its mark in all the segments hence I feel they will hugely focus on quality...
Hi, as per some info from internet, Triumph speed 400 will get the service from only Triumph service centre, but can anybody let me know is this same for the HD x440, only from the HD service centre. Asking as end user.
@@powerdriftofficial Svartpilen 401 vs this Scrambler 400x would be an interesting matchup isn't it? I'll buy a second hand Xpulse for now and upgrade to one of these a couple of years down the line.
I also disagree with selling the speed 400 from Triumph.. then only X,Y cities people will consider it , no Z City people will consider it, because everyone one want to service their byks from their nearby town not far like 100-200km distance.. now a day Many Z citys people also buying big byks.. Triumph Bajaj should again think about this decision..they should do more market research on this.
Its a derivative of the new duke 390 engine. You can say its the dominar engine since the dominar also uses a derivative of the current 390 engine. The capacity was only increased in the new duke 390 to meet the norms and still keep the existing level of performance.
@@blurryface2267 the transmission is going to be different obviously, you want these bike to have distinct characters. But the core of the engine is the same.
Neither Duke nor Dominar's Engine Blueprint used in these Triumphs. It's an all new heart developed by Triumph. Unlike KTM or Kawasaki (earlier ), they didn't share their engine technology with Bajaj.
RE Mateor 350 was going to buy now these launches blown it out, Super confusing i ended up booking both will see after driving and then decide which way to go. Please share your thoughts.
I would go for the HD X440 anyday. Though, SPEED 400 looks more stylish, it has many plastic panels to reduce the weight. Ground clearance is very necessary for Indian roads and HD has 170mm whereas SPEED offers only 158mm. Also, the Harley offers a modern looking TFT display with connected features as standard. Engine, is smoother in Harley and the rider comfort is also good. So, it's HD X440 for me. 😊😊😊
@@prabankumarbasumatary7809 I don't want a bike costing 3 lakh on road which has... 1. Plastic panels 2. Low ground clearance 3. Odd meter console with no connectivity 4. Vibration and useless exhaust sound These points are major turn off for me. You can't prove me wrong at these points. So, you're wrong. 🤣🤣🤣
The upcoming duke has a new engine, design, chassis, rear suspension. Im sure it will do well. It is the most powerful single cyl bike available. But ofcourse, Triumph 400 twins will disrupt the market.
KTM won't lose much customers. In vaccum we forget that not everyone likes neo-retro styling and few yrs back I too was fond of sharp, futuristic, alien like styling of KTM, MT etc. Most youth prefer KTM styling.
...theres a question that has been bothering me. YT videos at large pitch these 2 models against the RE Classic. My sense is that basis the ergonomics & ride/handling, it is more pitched at the Hunter. It is actually these factors that should be basis of categorization & comparisn. That the prices of these 3 are very disparate should not be a sole factor for not putting them into a single category. Does anyone else think this or is it just me 🤔
Stupid discussion , Honda sale cb350 through bigwin g , but people cry for lack of it in tear 2 or 3 towns nd out of reach service centers. Hero Bajaj should nit go Honda way who lost RE customers making RE indispensable. Hero Bajaj can give Premium service to HD 440 and triumph stalls in regular showrooms with dedicted staff and special ASC corner . Both Hero and Bajaj has good experience in customer deals then Honda or RE .
Guys , one question can u please consider asking Harley india and trimph india authorities that if they are gonna keep the service costs for thier entry products like Hell as always ....Since this price seems a little low I wonder if they are gonna cost me or many like me in the servicing😢
Those who want Triumph motorcycle from Bajaj outlets, better they go for Dominar or any other bike which is easily accessible for them I don't want Triumph to sell it's bike from Bajaj outlets, it'll hamper there Goodwill only. It's a personal choice. Buying a motorcycle should be dependent on multiple parameters and I believe accessibility should be one of them. One must not buy a motorcycle only because of it's road presence and ergonomics. If the motorcycle is available near to your place then go for it otherwise look for alternatives. The company like Triumph must not affect their premiumness.
The biggest issue here is X440 doesn't looks like a Harley. The speed and scram continue the legacy of Triumph and feels like home.
- It's styled like a XLR 1200 which is a Harley. Watch the video even they elaborated on that.
It exactly looks like a harley .. what r u smooking
So the Pan Am too doesn’t look like a Harley?
The rear end looks to me like the cheap Intruder. Just can't get that off my mind. Yeah the tank and headlights are great. For me the speed/scram look way better in whole. Also looks are subjective and this is what I feel.
Take a look at Sportster XR1200
just a short correction, Dominar's weight is not around 170 Kg its 193 Kg There's a huge difference there.
my bad on that one, sorry!
Apologies!
No worries! You're doing fantastic job! You're the best and my most favourite ❤️
@@digvijaymahamuni7722 ayyy thank you bro, made my day! ❤️🙌🏻
@@carswithkaran 😃❤️
I would go for the HD X440 anyday. Though, SPEED 400 looks more stylish, it has many plastic panels to reduce the weight. Ground clearance is very necessary for Indian roads and HD has 170mm whereas SPEED offers only 158mm. Also, the Harley offers a modern looking TFT display with connected features as standard. Engine is smoother in Harley and it offers a more relaxed riding dynamic. So, it's HD X440 for me. 😊😊😊
this is what I am saying to people everywhere. I will go for x440 as well.
This is exactly what I meant by it's a great time for enthusiasts - everyone gets to pick a bike they vibe with!
We suggest test riding both. To each their own.
The major issue with the Triumph motorcycles is there showrooms and after sale services in India.
They suck in spare parts cost
What what?? 2.3 l wow 2.3l wow
Triumph dealership: let's add 30k to price as handling charge😂😂and wipe that smile off you😂😂😂
@@user-wb3fo1sj8m ya, triumph dealership will kill it's price advantage..
If Harley Davidson comes out via, hero dealership I will go for it..
Already booked the street 400……waiting for ride review and then a test drive. Hope all goes well 😊
congratulations!
What is the on road cost?
Big congratulations buddy!
No body speeks about fuel consumtion , these are not hyper sports bikes for race tracks . They will be used for daily commute at max and not for lexure driving all the time . Fuel consumption matters considering unpredictable fuel costs
Many information in this podcast is also wrong. They said dominar weighs 172😂😂😂it's 186 kgs
When will the XSR155 launch in India??
Please speak with Yamaha...
We ready to buy ₹2.5l also...
Please make one podcast for this..... 🤲
Bro Yamaha is bringing r3/mt03 and r7/mt07 and mt09 this year....
Now coming to xsr 155, it will never make it to India.. Why? Yamaha is working on india specific legacy bike rx100 successor...
it is so amazing that Karan has so many knowledge about bikes, specifically when he mentioned about the memory of lifting your bike and parking it, I don’t think anyone has ever said anything like this. Amazing podcast PD ❤❤❤
For Relaxed touring at 100 why shouldn’t one just buy the classic 350?…the feeling of riding it is unparalleled and that classic look
different motorcycles for different people!
The X feels more comfortable at 100kmph than the Classic.
X440 feels like the bike am looking for. Adequately fast, enough torque, Air oil cooled is really enough like varun said for torque engines. My jam
Lovely! Please take a test spin.
Do remember to take a test spin!
@@VarunPainter❤❤❤ I will surely. Your reply made my day Sir.
Please please please do a podcast on the same topic after thorough testing too.
All variants of both, with and without extra bells and whistles, service station experiences included.
❤❤❤ PowerDrift
We will put up a proper video later.
Ofcourse. We already have something on our cards.
If HD x440 give around 35kmpl and feel comfortable then definitely i will sell my classic to buy HD
Planning same 😂
Not sure about the mileage, but if the engine is as relaxed as Varun says - 28-30kmpl should be possible
You will literally be the first man in history to buy a HD for better mileage 😂
Please please please, test ride it once.
Why nobody is talking about spares and service cost for god's sake, if it's getting compared to a RE or KTM and talking about making a dent in RE shares but what about expected maintenance cost if people will consider it over an RE, they'll surely consider this aspect as well.
I think the cost of service would be cheaper as well. You can get a rough estimate by the ex showroom price of showroom. May be slightly expensive compared to other bikes in segment.
@@irock6490 I really hope so brother because I've already booked the bike and really willing to get it but the only thing which is creating some doubts is maintanence cost
16000 km service in triumph, vs 10000 km service on RE.
Triumph even beats RE here
@@Gauravkumar-om9oy it wont be 16k , not for india. I am sure of this
@@tsplitart It is 16k for India
Please address the suspension comfort and how the pillion seat is in your review for both the bikes. Please...
My only request is please review the pillion seat comfort this time! I find the pillion seats not so comfy they gives me same impression of the KTM or Ronin for that matter like they have just made to rest the backpack of the rider! We are Indian and we buy this Motorcycles to go along with a pillion on long rides it will take another decade time to still live the western life of going solo for the mass. I suggest as you describe the four wheeler segment for both the drivers and the passenger seat & leg space comfort do keep a good care pillion ride comfort in two wheeler segment too by riding it along with the pillion for 100-150km stretch and describe its comfort and add the pillion review in your every video along with the riders reviews. I have noticed that though you make spectacular videos you always miss on that very important point rather you test drive a Honda Shine or RE Meteor. So please keep the pillion comfort review which comes should come directly from the pillion rider for a short interval in your video as standard as Freddie Dobbs do in his every review and he knows how to keep it very short and to the point. If I can watch a 47 min podcast of you guys sitting in a room I surly can give 1.5 more minutes to know the pillion's experience associate with those bikes and what are their recommendation because it matters alot and it can also change the Buyers/Dreamers mind set to switch from HD 440 to Speed 400 or ather to activa!
Will be done Sir. :)
Talking about the quality of Hero, I own xpulse 200 4v and I had a dead battery within 4k km. Some have fuel pump issues. The 2v version is notoriously famous for engine issues. Xpulse is the current flagship of hero and has so many quality issues.
and on top of that, their service is abysmal. horrendous post sale service experience. selling my xpulse at just 12k km, and never going to buy a hero again. irrespective of whether the bike they make is good or not, their service centers are gonna ruin the bike no matter what.
We had a couple of issues with our long-term 2V, nothing with the 4V.
@@powerdriftofficial engine issues in 2v are a huge problem and sure with 4v that might not be the case.... But 1 thing that remains unchanged is the service centers... No matter how good the bike... The service centera ruin the bikes. For eg. I went for a off road track event and I bent my handle bar because I landed a jump a little wrong, took it to the service center... They took a week to get the Handle cause part availability issues.. That's not that much of an issue. But, when they did change it... They installed the 200t handle bar, I kept saying it's the wrong one... They dint listen.... And ever since then... It's been 3 years... Gone to many different hero service centre.. Every time the same thing, yes sir it will be fixed...parts are available... Keeps bike for a week.. And then return it saying sorry sir part not available. 🤌🏽🤬
@@powerdriftofficial 4V has been improved in quality compared to 2V. The main issue for Hero is that the parts that they are getting from third-party suppliers are not being quality checked properly. Buying this bike is like a lottery. If you are lucky, you will get one with no issues..
X440 design and looks unique, I like its bass sound as well.
🎉🎉
looks unique for sure
We love it too.
Brilliant podcast. 🤘 Well articulated, covering all the points that I wanted to hear about these two brands' new stable additions. I'm not exactly in the market for a motorcycle but this podcast has most definitely piqued my curiosity to kind of reconsider my stance. Good show 👏
thank you!
Thank you so very much! Both these motorcycles have actually spiked everyone's curiosity.
@@powerdriftofficial I'd say. Creating waves these both are, and rightly so. Exciting times ahead for sure 🤘 Bloody kickass job as always, PD. Waiting for more content on these.
PS: VP...digging the beard, mate!
Whoever thinks the HD x440 is a better looking motorcycle than the speed 400 need to have their eyes examined; The x440 is a cheap looking messy design and the triumph speed is a premium looking cohesive design.
Looks are subjective and there will be people who will like the X over the Speed. Its a connection thing. Cannot force the world to go one way no?
I'll definitely buy a Triumph scrambler 400 black colour once launched in my state J & k
the black is pretty sweet
warm and cozy backgound is awesome .. but remove warm color cast from hosts either by lighting or in post .. it will look 2x better .. just an idea.
We hear you Arvind. :) Thanks for the feedback
Does this competitive price tells us that we were expecting it to be much higher because of the premium that companies like RE charge us.
These prices are not true. Soon u will realised.
@@yash_kambli what do you mean
Speed 400 in Bangalore Triumph dealerships is going to cost 338000/- on road , that is not cool ❌
triumph always has misc charges on all their bikes. I believe they panicked with the pricing of x440 and did not include their misc charges in the ex-showroom price
The brand has corrected that.
First of all.
Varun with beards is a treat to watch 😂
Second of all.
The conversations seem very raw and very genuine, kind of content I was looking out from PD FROM LONG TIME
you guys nailed it. ❤
❤❤
Thank you my man 😅
hahaha thank you Raj, i told him to keep it!
Hahhaah. What a guy :D
Only gripe with the triumph is that they are charging delivery charge which is 18,000 for the S400.
i think they've put out a statement clarifying that - on-road prices will only be revealed on 10 July and anything disclosed before that isn't confirmed
I will cancel my booking if this true.. it's not about money but ethics. If this is true then service and spare will be exorbitant.
😢😢😢
They will fix it.
They have put out ORP for every state.
A correction to the spec is that Duke is 171kg, and Dominar is a whopping 192kg for the 400. Also Triumph makes max power at 8k RPM compared to 8800-8900 on the Duke and Dominar, so probably the engine is a bit less stressed.
Yes. Apologies for that
Regardless of the initial batch quality, the X440 is the one that will dent RE sales more than the triumph. The speed will actually entirely kill the dominar in large cities, and also engulf the 390 sales by a lot. X440 seems to be my choice, now that its clearer that triumph will be a spirited ride requiring some effort, while the X440 is EFFORTLESS
We agree. When we rode it, the feel of the X is closer to that of the Classic.
I booked speed 400 and now I got to know it will be around 3.38 lacs on road in bangalore. And in Kolkata it will be around 2.9 lacs. What should I do?
That’s a marketing policy of triumph. They launched their bikes in so cheap rate but when it comes to on road price it goes too much high. In that case it goes upto 1 lakh ..like,seriously?
Karnataka also has just increased road tax by 7% , other States it's going to be ok. Get from West Bengal
@@rajsaha69 its called state taxes 😜
It is not true. It is being circulated - but is fake. Also, don't trust Keerthi Triumph in Bangalore. No one knows the exact price but it should be 2.8ish on road.
Taxes 😅
I am wondering what will happen to Honda CB300R and CB300F
Well well well...
Im going to have my first bike and my uncle said he going to gift an harley x440 he already booked it, I stay in Bangalore doing my mba , in weekends i want to go to the long rides like 300km , what do you prefer the HD x400 or triumph s400 and one more mileage is important i am a student so😅
If mileage is important u shouldn't get both the bikes 😭
Just get a TVS Ronin or Yamaha MT
Dude the guy other than varun doesn't know anything. Dominar is not 172 kgs its 186 khs, duke 390 is 171kgs. And 80% of torque on triumph is available from 3000rpm i.e 30 Nm. Atleast get your facts right guys. You guys have a reputation
my bad on the weight figure - i'm not sure what you mean by this torque thing, did we say something wrong here? It is 37.5Nm
If the whole podcast is one thing, the last 2 minutes - 45th minute is the one we’re waiting on. Man o mann.
Just excited to see the triumph reviews
Oh yes!
SAVE THE DATE! 14TH JULY, 5PM
triumph is famous for their hefty insurance and so called "delivery charges". With that it will cross the 3L mark on the road.
Yes it is 3.25 lacs delhi
July 10 - we'll know the on-road prices
We hope you know what the actual ORP is.
Imagine RE launching a classic100 for the sake of competing with a splendor and reaching the masses. Imagine it not having any characteristics of RE or what the brand stands. The looks, sound and emotions it generates are the primary characteristics of brands like RE and harley. If they fail on these counts what are they selling? What is HD trying to tell the Indian consumer with the x440?
A roadster derived from Xr1200...Harleys are not all about hefty crusing motorcycle...they have pan america which is different and the XR range is Morden age Harley...people saying the design is bad have not seen this in flesh...hero bikes are never photogenic and this is the same
Obviously you don’t know how market research and study works. If you may, define a Harley for me please
@@vroombk If I undertake a market research on behalf of say a premium brand (likes of say Harley or BMW for example) to launch a product in a mass market (or high volume) segment, due to the aspiration levels of the customer in that segment, the market research will indicate a great opportunity. Now do I want to venture into that segment? If I want to venture into that segment can I do it without diluting what my brand stands for? BMW with their g310r did a good job, triumph seems to have done a good job. My only issue is this doesn't seem well put together. Even if they wanted to enter this segment, something close to the HD X350 (QJ motors) in terms finish, looks and quality would have been great.
@@vroombk Having ridden it yourself, would you be able to make the same statement Karan makes of Triumph at 12:00 for the Harley?
As you guys say it at @12:00 about Triumph "it looks like a well engineered motorcycle that wears a triumph badge with honour. It is not just put there to get sales figures." Well from the looks of it HD has just put a badge to get sales figures.
Haven't ridden the X440 so I can't agree or disagree, but Varun loved the HD
Now that the dust has settled, we can positively say that both these motorcycles are really good in their own right.
Harleys r meant for customisation so can we fix the rear ourselves 🤣
Hahaha nice one
Wow! Superb podcast and yes this is golden Era of bikers ❤
Cheers Hrishi :)
Absolutely right Harley should sell at Harley!!!! Yes they can do a nexa showroom like maruti... But the can't sell Toyota in maruti... Hero has .. Xtreme, xpulse, xkarizma if it is called that.. they can have an xcruze.. a hero version of Harley if they want... But sell .. Harley at harley
Oh n xoom
U did not speak about with issues with hero... Way less then Bajaj... I had both.. so hero is definately 1 up
And after sales service as well. Have heard Triumph after sales is not good.
yup have heard many mixed reviews!
Its a dealership to dealership thing.
Like VP said, its a dealership to dealership issue.
This is all result of RE 650s. RE who was a small bike manufacturer went to Triumph's home and started selling big bikes, now Triumph is coming to Enfield's home to sell smaller bikes. The tables have turned.
Bajaj has showed that they are the flagship Indian mass manufacturer. They have left Hero, TVS way behind. If any foreign brands wants to get their product mass produced they should only come to Bajaj. Their pricing of Triumph is something that would fit decade old tax regime when I bought new Pulsar 200NS for ₹ 96,000 on-road in 2012.
@Geeth16 So that makes them a big bike manufacturer because they made one in 1960s? That's like saying Lamborghini is a tractor manufacturer because they used to make them long ago. 99% of RE sales up until now were 20 bhp 350cc bikes which considered small in developed markets. Even now over 80% of RE sales come from 350cc.
let's wait and see the production versions because the website is specifically highlighting the fact the production version will vary. Paint quality is something which can be easily improved and with my knowledge, a lot of hero products esp vida has customisation options and Harley is famous for customisation
@@samanbasoor I doubt there will be any improvements in fit and finish from the first ride reviewers got as such changes take many many months. There will be accessories like windshield, seat cover, belly pan and luggage etc but all that doesn't change the fact that it's quality is significantly lower than Triumph's. Triumph has set the new benchmark for quality in sub 5 lakh motorcycles. Harley styling is unfinished. It looks best in vivid red color imo.
@@surajtomar4870 well there is a new video out of a customer who just visited the Harley showroom! And saw the bike first hand and recorded it! The quality looks much better esp the paint! The May grey looks much darker and richer. Also, there is a screw at the rear section which will allow people to customise the rear
Nice thread
Both bajaj nd hero have done a great job!! 👏..... Anyone commenting negatives even powedrift, is jus nitpicking!! 😊... We shud be greatfull to bajaj nd hero 🙌
All the fellows are will climb up right now but what's tha actual problems like service cost, spare parts cost, maintenance cost and lastly running cost just wait and watch for 3 months atleast all facts will come up after that one can think about..... The biggest issue will be right now the existing service centres...
Yes
On the quality, even though this Harley is made by Hero but in America Harley's are notorious for poor quality and breaking down often (just like pre j-platform Enfield).
Ah haa. The CBUs that we get in India are really well built though.
I get why Harley went with a XR1200 roadster look rather than a traditional cruiser, indian roads r not meant for those low ground clearance cruiser and also sales r very few in that segment which is evident in recent meteor 650 and bajaj avengers
@@user-wb3fo1sj8m nope it won't
If Hero-Harley had released a measly 300cc v-twin for 3 lakh ex showroom, I would have instantly booked it and that would have been an authentic Harley, it would be India's first v-twin engine and it would be an international product. They should have released something like QJmotor/Keeway 302c. If imported QJ SRV 300 costs 3.5 lakh than I am sure Hero could have made it under 3 lakhs.
A v-twin Harley at that price seems unrealistic.
Ex showroom price is good no doubt but dealers here in banglore are asking 3.3 lakh on road for speed.. so i guess this aggressive price is of no use as far as dealers are thieves. Especially keerthi triumph dealer here in blr.
dealers in other state are quoting similar price.. probably this is the strategy of Bajaj triumph to recover the cost. When it was launched I doubted the price.. how can it be less than KTM
😮, flabbergasted.
Keerthi Triumph already are infamous for their poor customer service.
@@nighthawk4028i knew it... I knew.. There must be a catch
The brand will check up on this issue.
We hope you know about the revision
wow after a long time I liked PD podcast, no disrespect but thanks for not getting Cyrus.
Feel the sound of HD X440 and you will feel something is pumping in iour heart but speed 400 sound is nort thumbing sound so I will go with HD X440
A personal experience might be different.
accidently you boys made a super masala podcast whilst having the embargo in place... not sure if comparison also falls under "opinion" ... LOL... well im glad that i clicked on this video... Im gonna wait for Scrambler... and gonna get rid of my scrambler/Bagger built TB500 once Scrambler version of Triumph 400 is available... i guess will justify skipping hero's 450 and RE's 450 Himalayan... would love to hear some thoughts on same...
We managed what we could. Thanks :)
Super masala. Love it :D
I strongly feel the X440 will be a great compitior to the Royal Enfield 350s
For sure. In terms of feel, the X is closer to the Classic
18:02 Dominar ain't 171kgs, it weighs 193kgs.
I wish dominar was 171kg
Yes! Apologies from the team. This is an error from our end.
2:09 it actually comes nearly around 2.7 lacs after triumph’s handling charges n some bullshit
which city?
What about braking on the HD X440? A lot was said and heard about the unreliable braking especially on street 750 resulting in crashes.
Anything update on that?
Sorted.
Mister Varun shall get back to you
The braking feels decent although it could do with a little more bite.
9:42 no it doesn't look like Ronin it looks like redesigned version of vikrant 😜
WHAT
@powerdrift What should be the on road price for the bike in Mumbai? Dealership mentioned that it would go up to 3L. Is this justifiable as the ex showroom is 2.23L/2.33L?
Wait for a couple of days
the on-road prices will be confirmed by July 10
We hope you have the answer Harsh
Guys thanks for this discussion which every rider+ youtuber is talking about..you still haven't discussed the imp part of On Road Price which is almost 1L more...and yes that was the WHAAATTTT moment for all...
Bajaj has officially put on a statement on this yesterday. ..how you gonna take this and showcase these dealer atrocities to all??
We are waiting for the official on-road pricing from the brand directly.
Please share when will be delivery started.
Month end for the Speed, September for the X
I recollect that zigwheels had reported a price point of 2.25 lakhs ex showroom in its post of 21st April 2023…..not sure how it happened !!!
Mystic
daal me kuch kala hai
Hey,it was April in their defence 😁
Yes they did.
34:45 - I am not agree with this point that most of the customer of Royal enfield are Bikers.. The truth is Royal Enfield bikes are now everywhere. On the road you can see every 1 of the 5 bike is RE..
The brand sells you an experience first and then a motorcycle. Bikers will relate to that feeling a lot more.
@@powerdriftofficial I agree with your point.. Visiting any RE showroom is a really good experience for customers..
Varun and Karan and almost everybody after listening to the price of both the bikes: Abhi maza ayegana bhiduuuu😂😂😂😂
Hahahahahaha
Somehow I like the Harley more for it's simpler engine.
Test ride the Speed too
Where is the playlist they were talking about
Sharing the Spotify link
spoti.fi/3Ny2uVr - Here you go.
@@powerdriftofficial 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
love this discussion....
really hope to have a conversation of extinction of kick start
For Taller Riders.
Which one is best Harley X440 vs Triumph 400 or Scrambler 400
Scrambler feels the tallest. Why don't you head out for a test spin.
Thank You......
Top tier podcast! Enjoyed the conversation
thank you!
Thanks a bunch.
it was nice first time watched u r program and subscribed and i booked scrambler X400 but disappointed after the show of theirs
Thanks for hitting that subscribe button. Scrambler should be out later.
X440 btw :P
Triump is going to rip the skin of customers through the spares and service😂😂😂
And so is the harley… I seriously don’t understand why indian brands like Hero and bajaj sold out to foreign makers despite of them doing most of the Rnd for these bikes Nobody really wants a Harley or a triumph we just want a good RE alternative
@@bhargavsisir nope, hero won't let it happen! 4000 Rs service charge (apron) for a year is good for a harley
we shall see - KTM spares are cheap, i'm not expecting Triumph to be as cheap but it should be more affordable than bigger Triumphs for sure
@@carswithkaran ktm is sharing most of its spares with bajaj but triump is not sharing any kind of parts with bajaj or ktm
@@maheshkumar-fg5zm yeah that’s true
Harley davison just announce that the 440x can be booked and deliver through Hero showrooms, which is the best strategy to increase sales and profit. Will triumph bajaj do the same?? If not then triumph will fall behind
We agree
This is why this guy's have 26lkhs subscribers .. great discussion 🙏
But I think hero Harley win the race..for -
1. They have service centre & dealership everywhere in india..like my small Zcity Coochbehar also have a big service centre & dealership..on the other hand Triumph don't have any showroom around me 200km range.. in Siliguri.. the don't have..
2. Hero service cost is Affordable
3. On road price of Triumph is too high 🙄 make no sense..they only tweeted yesterday only they are thinking on that..
Jitne dino Mai Triumph aye sab karega Hero baji marke Lee jayega 😅 I think Bajaj with the wrong partner..who don't allow to sell & service from Bajaj..
There is total of 14 server centres in India right now.
Comment of the day :)
It's a harley mostlikely what you mentioned as positive is not applicable
Comment supreme!
Triumph has hit it out of the park
Their fit and finish looks much better and above HD X440
+1
Harley are pre production units and the deliveries start in October...hero is already reworking on fit and finish...actually the colors on Harley make it look a poorly finished bike...Triumph has much lively colors
@@divyambhatia6542 HD is not really known for quality stuff.
They have always represented the Pure American Power might but compared to international players they have never been quality player. Even Indian motorcycles have made better quality bikes than HD.
@@lutenic6111 That was an arrogant Harley...this is a Harley struggling to make its mark in all the segments hence I feel they will hugely focus on quality...
What is the ground clearance of the triumph and how much is the suspension travel on Harley?
Website, spec sheet
Pretty informative and well presented guys👍❤..Btw, I have already booked both of these bikes on the first day itself 😍
Wow
hahah congratulations!
Both? Damn son.
Can you please do the comparison video of both the motorcycle. As i am confuse very much between both the motorcycle so booked both the motorcycle 😅
Hahaha well done.
I think the harley does look like a harley maybe like a nasty honey badger, small yet very ballsy❤
yup!
It cost around 3.4 in bangalore which is absurd and its because of lot of miscellaneous charges.
i think that is being rectified - on-road prices to be confirmed on July 10
Got rectified
Hi, as per some info from internet, Triumph speed 400 will get the service from only Triumph service centre, but can anybody let me know is this same for the HD x440, only from the HD service centre. Asking as end user.
hero will provide the service for HD x440
There are 100 premium outlets opening in the next 6-8 odd months.
You have the answer we believe
Will Husqy ever launch with 400 cc in India?
Yes, they are already working on it no?
@@powerdriftofficial Svartpilen 401 vs this Scrambler 400x would be an interesting matchup isn't it? I'll buy a second hand Xpulse for now and upgrade to one of these a couple of years down the line.
Dominor's weight is not 171kg. It is 192kg for Dominor400
My bad!
Yes! Maaf karo.
probably good price in the face by triumph but they will reap on the road. you see the price will go beyond 3L on the roads,
@@Anish-j1n some issue on the showroom end, triumph put out a statement on it saying actual on-road prices will be announced on July 10
3.4 in Kerala
I also disagree with selling the speed 400 from Triumph.. then only X,Y cities people will consider it , no Z City people will consider it, because everyone one want to service their byks from their nearby town not far like 100-200km distance.. now a day Many Z citys people also buying big byks.. Triumph Bajaj should again think about this decision..they should do more market research on this.
This is just the start we have been told. Expansion is a must.
@@powerdriftofficial hope 1saal ek andar Z City Tak poucha jaye..🥲
is triumph really using their own engine or is it dominar's ?
Its a derivative of the new duke 390 engine. You can say its the dominar engine since the dominar also uses a derivative of the current 390 engine.
The capacity was only increased in the new duke 390 to meet the norms and still keep the existing level of performance.
@@fieryspy6414 its chain on right side
@@blurryface2267 the transmission is going to be different obviously, you want these bike to have distinct characters. But the core of the engine is the same.
Neither Duke nor Dominar's Engine Blueprint used in these Triumphs. It's an all new heart developed by Triumph. Unlike KTM or Kawasaki (earlier ), they didn't share their engine technology with Bajaj.
brand new engine. Not used and will never be used by anyone other than Triumph
RE Mateor 350 was going to buy now these launches blown it out, Super confusing i ended up booking both will see after driving and then decide which way to go. Please share your thoughts.
I would go for the HD X440 anyday. Though, SPEED 400 looks more stylish, it has many plastic panels to reduce the weight. Ground clearance is very necessary for Indian roads and HD has 170mm whereas SPEED offers only 158mm. Also, the Harley offers a modern looking TFT display with connected features as standard. Engine, is smoother in Harley and the rider comfort is also good. So, it's HD X440 for me. 😊😊😊
@@Avadhut211ur wrong 👎🏼
@@prabankumarbasumatary7809 I don't want a bike costing 3 lakh on road which has...
1. Plastic panels
2. Low ground clearance
3. Odd meter console with no connectivity
4. Vibration and useless exhaust sound
These points are major turn off for me. You can't prove me wrong at these points. So, you're wrong. 🤣🤣🤣
Good chat
Glad you liked it
thank you!
what do you think of duke 390, will it regain its value for money tag or will it be completely stolen by 400
The upcoming duke has a new engine, design, chassis, rear suspension. Im sure it will do well. It is the most powerful single cyl bike available. But ofcourse, Triumph 400 twins will disrupt the market.
With a new one on its way, it should be even better. Plus Streetfighter vs Roadster.
KTM won't lose much customers. In vaccum we forget that not everyone likes neo-retro styling and few yrs back I too was fond of sharp, futuristic, alien like styling of KTM, MT etc. Most youth prefer KTM styling.
There's a special video coming your way :)
If you like speed, value for money and a premium build, you go for the Triumph.
On the other hand, a Harley simp is a Harley simp.
Disagree. Ride the motorcycles please
different motorcycles for different people
Not really. After having ridden both the motorcycles, we feel these motorcycles will chart different stories.
Any idea about the pricing for scrambler 400x
a 30 k extra over speed is the street expectation
3:58 exactly my thoughts.
Unanimous!
...theres a question that has been bothering me. YT videos at large pitch these 2 models against the RE Classic. My sense is that basis the ergonomics & ride/handling, it is more pitched at the Hunter. It is actually these factors that should be basis of categorization & comparisn. That the prices of these 3 are very disparate should not be a sole factor for not putting them into a single category. Does anyone else think this or is it just me 🤔
Stupid discussion , Honda sale cb350 through bigwin g , but people cry for lack of it in tear 2 or 3 towns nd out of reach service centers. Hero Bajaj should nit go Honda way who lost RE customers making RE indispensable. Hero Bajaj can give Premium service to HD 440 and triumph stalls in regular showrooms with dedicted staff and special ASC corner . Both Hero and Bajaj has good experience in customer deals then Honda or RE .
Its not just that. Its also value that you bring to the table. The X440 and the Speed 400 do that in spades today. Lets have a cordial discussion
Atleast the engine could've been 4 valve and the brakes are 2 callipers reportedly on the same side...
My point too. Hero got all its top models on 4 valve but did not on Harley, why???
Cost. But even I am not sure how Bajaj beat that pricing :D
Honestly, we don't see that to be a problem with the X440.
People who brought hunter are crying in the corner 🤣🤣
Not really. The price difference is pretty significant.
You getting approx 20bhp power and 20nm more with this.
Speed 400 on road price is 3.38 lakhs while hunter is 2.2 lakhs
What? Current price is 2.33 lakhs, with 20% road tax as well, it will be 2.9 lakhs on road.
Massive massive price difference.
Guys , one question can u please consider asking Harley india and trimph india authorities that if they are gonna keep the service costs for thier entry products like Hell as always ....Since this price seems a little low I wonder if they are gonna cost me or many like me in the servicing😢
Doubtful. Localised products should not cost as much.
Can we expect comparison video between classic vs cb350 vs hdx440
Which bike you recommend between above 3
hdx440 is better no comparison. RE Classic is so under powered and underrefined, only emotional fools buy that.
@@tejeswar I bought scrambler 400x bro
Those who want Triumph motorcycle from Bajaj outlets, better they go for Dominar or any other bike which is easily accessible for them
I don't want Triumph to sell it's bike from Bajaj outlets, it'll hamper there Goodwill only. It's a personal choice. Buying a motorcycle should be dependent on multiple parameters and I believe accessibility should be one of them. One must not buy a motorcycle only because of it's road presence and ergonomics.
If the motorcycle is available near to your place then go for it otherwise look for alternatives. The company like Triumph must not affect their premiumness.
We will see how it all unfolds
Let's see....
How much will the dealer charge as handling charges?
Triumph charges 30k
Around 30k and the nearest showroom for me is 500kms away so I will have to ride back after paying delivery charge
@@divyambhatia6542 There's going to be an official on-road price announced by Triumph on July 10
Didn’t know Aakash mehta does podcast too 😮
We had to Google that one.
Dominar 400 is not 171kg 18:05
Not done the hmwk before filming :)
Error on my end, apologies
Hi I have booked speed 400 and I was wondering how I will know that I am among the first 10000 or not???
What does the booking portal say?
@@powerdriftofficial just got the pre booking id
@@ashishthakur8595last 4/5 digits is the booking number.
Dominar 400 is 193 kg
That's right. Apologies.
Apologies Akash. Karan is doing uthak baithak already.