I feel like the difference between Jaraxxus, the original alternate hero, and these new Death Knight cards is that Jaraxxus actually has a massive downside. Oh sure, he can win you the game if you play him at the right time, especially if you can stay alive and keep spawning demons, but setting your HP to 15 is a big risk to take in most situations. By comparison, the Death Knights are all super-powerful, and none of them have any real downsides beyond swapping out your old hero power (aside from Priest). Hell, Frostlich Jaina is a straight upgrade to the normal Mage, with 5 Armor, the usual hero power but better, and Lifesteal on all elementals. Oh sure, there are always optimum times to play these Death Knights in order to get the most value, but even if you just play them out as soon as possible odds are you won't regret it. With Jaraxxus, there are clearly times when playing him would be suicidal, and times when playing him is the only way out. And that makes him more interesting to play with and against. I like the basic idea with heroes, but we need heroes that have powerful effects AND actual weaknesses , not just powerful effects. But let's not have a repeat of Majordomo Executus, mkay?
Sacrificial Pact is the ultimate reason Jaraxxus doesn't see play. Blizzard specifically hard-coded SP to destroy Jaraxxus even though it wasn't supposed to work with heroes, JUST because they didn't want everyone to play him. Your opponent will always discover it from Kabal Courier, Hallucination, Crystaline Oracle or whatever, and just instantly wins. Also Sacred Trial and Repentance screw Jaraxxus. None of those things happen to Death Knights which is why they are so OP. There's no downside to playing them.
MoffMupp Let's be real, Lord J is massively powerful, definitely more powerful than most heroes, the reason nobody complained about him is because he's Warlock vanilla legendary, so only one class and no occurrence boost, and the DK heroes are all 9 classes and all get the boost, and Jaina and Guldan get the extra synergy boost, so you see DKs all the time and get to feel their power much more often than Lord J. Jaina is the problem, and the fact that the Mage gets her so often from the synergy pick, so remove her from the draft or give her like a 75% decrease in occurrence and that's enough
Jaraxxus also has the problem of not generating any tempo besides a 3 attack weapon (that you probably don't wanna use) the turn you play it. It and the Leeroy combo were the only real reasons that Handlock used Emperor. Unless you can Emperor or Coin with Jaraxxus, you set yourself to 15 AND pass the turn.
Their good sides are all worse than Jaraxxus' good side - the problem is indeed that their bad side is almost unnoticible, except for of course them being slow. I feel like they could be a bit stronger, if only they had a real weak side besides smORC
Something people seem to forget to mention is both Jaraxxus and Majordomo Executus can be played around as they are still minions that can be affected through other cards such as sacrificial pact or dirty rat. It's kind of the point that a hero card should be stronger than the minion cards that affect heroes. Due to this, maybe hero cards in arena wasn't the best decision in the world...
I have never thought about this... but what if we shouldn't skip the Kripp? He is saying some usefull stuff! One of a few that really want to teach us the game. It just struck me
Balanced C'thun cards like Reckoner of Evil and C'thun's Chosen were not included in arena and this imbalanced shit that ruins a lot of games is included. Wtf is wrong with you Blizzard? Do you even test your own game?
To be fair, they didn't include c'thun not because it was broken, but because it could ruin a lot of drafts with cards based ENTIRELY around a legendary. Every death knight has decent power on its own (the most arguable being Gul'Dan's battlecry, but the hero power outweighs it), but C'Thun really doesn't. However, most c'thun cards were appropriate for their mana level and would have been good as vanilla cards, so I didn't necessarily agree, but I understand the idea.
RaventhortheWarrior That's nonsense. It would make sense if the C'thun cards were absolute shit without C'thun, but they aren't, most of them have perfectly acceptable value for Arena cards, and many absolutely horrible cards are included in arena, so the "C'thun cards without C'thun would ruin arena" excuse is complete bs. If anything, including them would've INCREASED the average power of drafts because they are individually so strong, most of them about average and some, like the 4/2 divine shield, highly above average
Jesus that draft tilted me. Seriously, 2x Flame Geyser 2x Fireball 1x Meteor 1x Firelands Portal 1x Twilight Flamecaller 1x Corruped Seer 1x Flamestrike Synergy with elementals all around and a goddamn Frost Lich Jaina...
I once beated frost lich jayna in mediocre situation with weak deck, killing my own minions etc, opp died to fatigue. Felt like i"m a genius that got nobel prize... Seriously, more proud than going 12-0. That card is absolutely insane and so hard to play against.
My first ever 12 win arena was with Jaina but over all it won me around 3 games.The other games were mostly bone mayer value and some really strong synergies.
I think this is like 3 days in a row his videos have featured 74+ point decks, which he said in the first one a few days ago he only gets like once a month.
I agree with the arena games right now. Its so hard and so messed up right now, that its just not fun anymore because of the all the hero cards and all the RNG effects all together. I Haven't never had this bad arena runs since last year.
what's even more messed up is Mage is like the only class that is likely to be offered the Death Knight card, which is unfair to every other class and everyone not offered death knight.
Yeah, I've drafted a mage deck with 3 frost lich jaina's in it, and just drafted a priest deck with 2 shadowreaper anduin's. I mean, not that drafting multiple was necessarily the right choice, nor was it particularly good, but I can't pass up on an opportunity to draft multiple DK cards when it's offered.
Agreed. Furthermore, DK Cards have taken over contructed as well, and has made it impossible to experiment with anything other than cards that can rush down DK decks. And I'm referring to CASUAL MODE. On ranked mode, you play the most powerful deck you have, so I don't have a problem with that.
I have yet to get a death knight inn arena but I once went against a rogue who turned into death knight rexxar, jaina and valera. It was a game on auto pilot.
The issue with arena is they take so many cards out of rotation, and increase your chances of getting a lot of bad cards, that its mostly the "bad vs the bad" and the one guy that hits it good, kinda like a lotto, just auto wins.
Kripp might be unlucky in the gameplay but the draft... The best mage deck I've ever drafted with heartharena was 65.3 only good spells ever offered were 1meteor and 1glyph. And that was in un'goro. That pretty much summs up why I don't play much arena
I never get a draft like that....I play 3-4 arena's a day sometimes and still...I get a few 12 win decks, but that's usually because my opponents misplay or w/e. Depressinggggg
I'm not good at HS. I rarely get salty cause there probably was something I didn't do or something I know I didn't do that caused me to lose. But I am extremely frustrated at Frost Lich Jaina and DKs in arena. Encountering them at 0-0 I knew I should have just conceded instantly, cause there is usually no way back. It's ridiculous.
Thrall, Deathseer's hero power can mostly counter hers, because often you trade minions and then transform them to avoid ping. I beat FLJ mage in constructed that way. He went to fatique while being unable to produce any more Water Elementals.
lifetake Excactly. Blizzard really needs to look after Arena right now. Somw cards deserve an Arena Ban while other from Wild should have a comeback in there.
I've been watching your videos since early Diablo 3. I kept doing so because your Hearthstone content is pretty chill to slow down before sleeping. Anyways, one of these days I downloaded Hearthstone for my phone and started playing F2P. I've played 4 arenas so far: 11-3, 1-3, 10-3 and 3-3. You are totally correct about arena. I unistalled the game by the way. This game brings the worse in me. Rage.
So recently I was having an arena run with rogue. Pretty shitty deck, 62 point deck, no synergy. Went 6-3, lost to 2 frost lich jaina and 1 druid deathknight. Fun.
I cant believe this is still an issue, I have played the least amount of arena than any expansion with kotft. Might as well down and to the right if you dont draft a hero card.
Frost lich Jaina is the single most op card I've ever seen in arena. When they play that fuckin card, 95% of the time, you're better off just conceding.
That's one good reason I don't even play arena now. Final scores are decided purely by drafting DKs and whatever Heartharena tells you to pick, and draw/going 1st luck ofc. Skill? Pffff, son...
Inspired by this I decided to do one arena run. Picked mage and only got total trash cards. No DK. Got Arfus at least, but that isnt so good i guess. Won first game and then 2nd game opponent gets Rexxar. Impossible to win. You just get infinite value from Rexxar.
I play around like 10 games of arena facing DK hero, the only game I win against DK Jiana is the one that I have a Deathwing in Hand while she was in top deck mode. Others were just unbeatable. Fix it Blizzard!
I've got 5 death knights so far in my drafts and only got to play one of them. It's not as good as you think. I have got Jaina DK twice and haven't used her once.
the main issue is mage death knights. the others are not even that OP. even warlock ones if you didnt play any demons is unplayable at 10 mana gain 5 armors.
Lol for the entire video he didn't even play Frost Lich Jaina. All he did was play the card to MAKE your hero frost lich jaina. But after that everyone surrendered.
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2:41 watch draft
5:07 skip draft
Skipperino Kripperino thanks Skipp
HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU SO FAST
Damn your fast
i like the skipperinio feature with seeing draft time
2:41 = skip kripp*, you gotta see the good side of things man
Confirmed card in new expansion.
Heroic crab, destroy an enemy death knight hero gain victory.
No, it would be a weapon, Crabmourne.
I wonder if at some point we'll get a CrabberCrab; Destroy all crabs in your opponent deck before he kills all your shit.
I feel like the difference between Jaraxxus, the original alternate hero, and these new Death Knight cards is that Jaraxxus actually has a massive downside. Oh sure, he can win you the game if you play him at the right time, especially if you can stay alive and keep spawning demons, but setting your HP to 15 is a big risk to take in most situations. By comparison, the Death Knights are all super-powerful, and none of them have any real downsides beyond swapping out your old hero power (aside from Priest). Hell, Frostlich Jaina is a straight upgrade to the normal Mage, with 5 Armor, the usual hero power but better, and Lifesteal on all elementals.
Oh sure, there are always optimum times to play these Death Knights in order to get the most value, but even if you just play them out as soon as possible odds are you won't regret it. With Jaraxxus, there are clearly times when playing him would be suicidal, and times when playing him is the only way out. And that makes him more interesting to play with and against. I like the basic idea with heroes, but we need heroes that have powerful effects AND actual weaknesses , not just powerful effects.
But let's not have a repeat of Majordomo Executus, mkay?
Sacrificial Pact is the ultimate reason Jaraxxus doesn't see play. Blizzard specifically hard-coded SP to destroy Jaraxxus even though it wasn't supposed to work with heroes, JUST because they didn't want everyone to play him. Your opponent will always discover it from Kabal Courier, Hallucination, Crystaline Oracle or whatever, and just instantly wins. Also Sacred Trial and Repentance screw Jaraxxus. None of those things happen to Death Knights which is why they are so OP. There's no downside to playing them.
MoffMupp Let's be real, Lord J is massively powerful, definitely more powerful than most heroes, the reason nobody complained about him is because he's Warlock vanilla legendary, so only one class and no occurrence boost, and the DK heroes are all 9 classes and all get the boost, and Jaina and Guldan get the extra synergy boost, so you see DKs all the time and get to feel their power much more often than Lord J. Jaina is the problem, and the fact that the Mage gets her so often from the synergy pick, so remove her from the draft or give her like a 75% decrease in occurrence and that's enough
Jaraxxus also has the problem of not generating any tempo besides a 3 attack weapon (that you probably don't wanna use) the turn you play it. It and the Leeroy combo were the only real reasons that Handlock used Emperor. Unless you can Emperor or Coin with Jaraxxus, you set yourself to 15 AND pass the turn.
Their good sides are all worse than Jaraxxus' good side - the problem is indeed that their bad side is almost unnoticible, except for of course them being slow. I feel like they could be a bit stronger, if only they had a real weak side besides smORC
Something people seem to forget to mention is both Jaraxxus and Majordomo Executus can be played around as they are still minions that can be affected through other cards such as sacrificial pact or dirty rat. It's kind of the point that a hero card should be stronger than the minion cards that affect heroes. Due to this, maybe hero cards in arena wasn't the best decision in the world...
I have never thought about this... but what if we shouldn't skip the Kripp? He is saying some usefull stuff! One of a few that really want to teach us the game. It just struck me
Do you want to break UA-cam? :O
Yegor Yeriomin yeah I'm just gonna skip this comment
Yegor Yeriomin
Blasphemy!
The real hearthstone comments meta isn't skipping the vidderino but skipping the skipperino
Balanced C'thun cards like Reckoner of Evil and C'thun's Chosen were not included in arena and this imbalanced shit that ruins a lot of games is included. Wtf is wrong with you Blizzard? Do you even test your own game?
"Balanced" is not in Blizzard's dictionary, I've seen better balance from an fat, one-legged blind man on a tightrope.
Aren't you bashing this small indie company too much? They have no experience with games, of course they make mistakes sometimes!
To be fair, they didn't include c'thun not because it was broken, but because it could ruin a lot of drafts with cards based ENTIRELY around a legendary. Every death knight has decent power on its own (the most arguable being Gul'Dan's battlecry, but the hero power outweighs it), but C'Thun really doesn't. However, most c'thun cards were appropriate for their mana level and would have been good as vanilla cards, so I didn't necessarily agree, but I understand the idea.
RaventhortheWarrior That's nonsense. It would make sense if the C'thun cards were absolute shit without C'thun, but they aren't, most of them have perfectly acceptable value for Arena cards, and many absolutely horrible cards are included in arena, so the "C'thun cards without C'thun would ruin arena" excuse is complete bs. If anything, including them would've INCREASED the average power of drafts because they are individually so strong, most of them about average and some, like the 4/2 divine shield, highly above average
omg is salt chronicles
Hmmm, I must decide...
Thinkerino Kripperino But Kripp never thinks about his plays, kappa
This draft is from the October 1st stream, skip to 48:50 www.twitch.tv/videos/179078628?t=48m50s
Merci
Most helpful Kripperino. Thank you
Much appreciated ！
He drafted without heartharena, wtf is going on??
Jesus that draft tilted me. Seriously,
2x Flame Geyser
2x Fireball
1x Meteor
1x Firelands Portal
1x Twilight Flamecaller
1x Corruped Seer
1x Flamestrike
Synergy with elementals all around and a goddamn Frost Lich Jaina...
Azzaza Az Last 5 arenas I've gotten a total of 0 legendaries, never drafted a DK
On the 11th of Mars 2014, Kripp became corrupted
You French boi ?
What's his corrupted effect
I miss when Kripp still played Arena.. =(
Getting a blizzcon ad on this video
-> "there's nothing like this anywhere else in the world"
I once beated frost lich jayna in mediocre situation with weak deck, killing my own minions etc, opp died to fatigue. Felt like i"m a genius that got nobel prize... Seriously, more proud than going 12-0. That card is absolutely insane and so hard to play against.
Hey Kripparian how's it going, guys here.
Wow I forgot this was possible. Dark times.
After 10000 arenas Kripp is getting closer and closer to krippling depression
Weak prediction: 10:50.
That was my play but he ended up wreking me :(
Santiago Cifuentes
11:12
My first ever 12 win arena was with Jaina but over all it won me around 3 games.The other games were mostly bone mayer value and some really strong synergies.
I think this is like 3 days in a row his videos have featured 74+ point decks, which he said in the first one a few days ago he only gets like once a month.
Yes
Is Naxxerino Outerino Kripperino all the dedication
Auto-win without a Death Knight:
Step 1: Pick Uther
Step 2: Pick as many Stonehill Defender as you can
Step 3: Win
The thing is, Stonehill is not a synergy card, so you can't see them often
I agree with the arena games right now. Its so hard and so messed up right now, that its just not fun anymore because of the all the hero cards and all the RNG effects all together. I Haven't never had this bad arena runs since last year.
I can now watch Kripp at 2x speed.
Damn, man, that last guy at 11 wins basically just bowed before his queen, so much respect.
Well my past 5 runs (11-3, 6-3, 7-3, 4-3 x2) all started with 1-0, 1-1, 1-2 and basically luck was the only thing that pushed me through.
The losses with the 5 Bonemare druid deck was to a wild Mage and a rogue...
I once gotten raza , dk priest , yshaaj with your usual arena cards gotten to 8-3 lucky hunters
Answer answer answer top deck death knight ANGERY
I once drafted two jainas... I always got it to turn 9... only lost to very fast decks pre turn 8, and only after 7 wins
Priest at the end, when Kripp playing Frost Lich Jaina: *inhales* Fuck you
what's even more messed up is Mage is like the only class that is likely to be offered the Death Knight card, which is unfair to every other class and everyone not offered death knight.
Yeah, I've drafted a mage deck with 3 frost lich jaina's in it, and just drafted a priest deck with 2 shadowreaper anduin's. I mean, not that drafting multiple was necessarily the right choice, nor was it particularly good, but I can't pass up on an opportunity to draft multiple DK cards when it's offered.
The Salt is real
Is it just me or is this the third time Kripp talks about Warlock and Mage Deahtknight in Arena?
I picked Frost Lich Jaina as my 1st card. I got another one And a lot of freakin elementals. Gotta enjoy my arena run :D
Agreed. Furthermore, DK Cards have taken over contructed as well, and has made it impossible to experiment with anything other than cards that can rush down DK decks. And I'm referring to CASUAL MODE. On ranked mode, you play the most powerful deck you have, so I don't have a problem with that.
I have yet to get a death knight inn arena but I once went against a rogue who turned into death knight rexxar, jaina and valera. It was a game on auto pilot.
The issue with arena is they take so many cards out of rotation, and increase your chances of getting a lot of bad cards, that its mostly the "bad vs the bad" and the one guy that hits it good, kinda like a lotto, just auto wins.
Everytime kripp loses an arena run to a DK card we are going to get another video like this
Kripp might be unlucky in the gameplay but the draft... The best mage deck I've ever drafted with heartharena was 65.3 only good spells ever offered were 1meteor and 1glyph. And that was in un'goro. That pretty much summs up why I don't play much arena
Turns out Arena is preeeety broken!!
We know kripp, We know..
Small indie company. LUL
Evil Heckler you're mother smells like a leper knome
Jason Rodriguez your*
At least, their mothers weren't murlocs !
I just started an arena earlier as mage. First set they gave me a Jaina, 3rd set let me have another Jaina (I took Medihv)... ridiculous.
Hero cards are on the power level of constructed, but they don't need any combo with them to be that powerfull.
Kripp's video looked a little behind the audio in this one.
When you see the opponent sling down a deathknight card you know you're gonna get:
Super
Super
Super
Super
TYRANNASAURUS REKT
Some people might say I'm corrupting the comment section
Copypastarino Kripperino usually anything early gets likes lol, today I was late tho
I think its a breath of fresh air to see a non Kripprino in the top of the comment section
I dont understand, you aren't even funny jesus
Herdeshe if I'm not funny how are my comments on most of kripps, legendstuffs and Kiblers in the top five?
Kripp "They should ban Death Knight cards". Kripp 11 months from now "This fucking guy waited 11 months just to snipe me with his Death Knight deck."
Kind of ironic how dks had the same effect in wow arena when they were added.
I never get a draft like that....I play 3-4 arena's a day sometimes and still...I get a few 12 win decks, but that's usually because my opponents misplay or w/e. Depressinggggg
Death Knights be like: "*Sigh* Fuck you!"
They didn’t put ktun in the arena but they put hero cards there.
Playing jaina after opponent plays effectively 5 1 health minions (2 inside the adapt dino)......brutal
Here's a thought, maybe their shouldn't be increased chances to get class cards...or any cards. Just a smaller percentage to get higher tier cards.
I've outlasted DK mage with 2-3 druid and went 4-3 with 77+ deck containing DK Uther. It's pure randomness.
I'm not good at HS. I rarely get salty cause there probably was something I didn't do or something I know I didn't do that caused me to lose. But I am extremely frustrated at Frost Lich Jaina and DKs in arena. Encountering them at 0-0 I knew I should have just conceded instantly, cause there is usually no way back. It's ridiculous.
If you want to watch it in normal speed, set playback to 1.5x. So much better lol
agreed, playing against a frost lich Jaina basically requires your opponent to have a potatobrain in order to win.
Thrall, Deathseer's hero power can mostly counter hers, because often you trade minions and then transform them to avoid ping. I beat FLJ mage in constructed that way. He went to fatique while being unable to produce any more Water Elementals.
KrivitskyM No one talks about jaina in constructed here
you shouldn't need a dk to counter a dk in arena
lifetake Excactly. Blizzard really needs to look after Arena right now. Somw cards deserve an Arena Ban while other from Wild should have a comeback in there.
I think arena needs a new system in place. The power level of decks are just getting too high now in days
I like how when I’m on a mobile network the ads are in 4K but the video is in -1080p. Fuck you, Sprint!!!!
I've been watching your videos since early Diablo 3. I kept doing so because your Hearthstone content is pretty chill to slow down before sleeping. Anyways, one of these days I downloaded Hearthstone for my phone and started playing F2P. I've played 4 arenas so far: 11-3, 1-3, 10-3 and 3-3. You are totally correct about arena. I unistalled the game by the way. This game brings the worse in me. Rage.
There must always be... severe arena balance issues.
So recently I was having an arena run with rogue. Pretty shitty deck, 62 point deck, no synergy. Went 6-3, lost to 2 frost lich jaina and 1 druid deathknight. Fun.
Usually when they play a dk hero i just concede to save time
I cant believe this is still an issue, I have played the least amount of arena than any expansion with kotft. Might as well down and to the right if you dont draft a hero card.
Kripp made other people ripperino today
The Kripperinos are all gifts from god.
what did the removal of synergy pick do? what does it mean and what did they remove?
Frost lich Jaina is the single most op card I've ever seen in arena. When they play that fuckin card, 95% of the time, you're better off just conceding.
I think the youtube URL is trying to tell us something..
'Winning with a death knight makes the player feel really powerful because it's such a fun, crazy card' - Ben Brode
Ultimate infestation is also problem in arena.
That's one good reason I don't even play arena now. Final scores are decided purely by drafting DKs and whatever Heartharena tells you to pick, and draw/going 1st luck ofc. Skill? Pffff, son...
He talks about all the death knights in arena but in my experience mage is the only op one in arena considering mage was already the most op class
Inspired by this I decided to do one arena run. Picked mage and only got total trash cards. No DK. Got Arfus at least, but that isnt so good i guess. Won first game and then 2nd game opponent gets Rexxar. Impossible to win. You just get infinite value from Rexxar.
Anyone getting some A/V sync issues especially at the end?
She said My magic will tear you apart after concede lolz
League definitely needs the Salt Baron! I'd watch the absolute shit out of Kripperino Rifterino.
My last 12winrun was Keleseth Paladin. Easy Firstpick.
the topdeckmode at 8-2
And Poison Seeds was removed from the arena...
The last 3 times I lost against Rogue in arena is because they played Hallucination into DK Lich Jaina
Like thefuk
I play around like 10 games of arena facing DK hero, the only game I win against DK Jiana is the one that I have a Deathwing in Hand while she was in top deck mode. Others were just unbeatable. Fix it Blizzard!
will take blizzard a solid year to realise what kripp just explained, dk´s will get cut from arena at the end of next year so look forward to it.
My highdt aera is 80+ bcs i some how got 2prince maz in deck and ididnt get 12 wins ):
I've got 5 death knights so far in my drafts and only got to play one of them. It's not as good as you think.
I have got Jaina DK twice and haven't used her once.
what is the name of that deck building helper?
plz tell me , i want to use it too
powerhouse high rarity cards are a cash grab, pure and simple
In arena, yeah.
Hunter to
When you play arena with a crappy deck and the other has dk or keseleth.
Feels dörty man
in constructed both have dk heroes, is that simple
7:45 kripperino laggerino
the main issue is mage death knights. the others are not even that OP. even warlock ones if you didnt play any demons is unplayable at 10 mana gain 5 armors.
Where is salterino kripperino?
You're making bank Kripp...get a damn 1tb SSD!
just picked jaina gg wp
Retitle: Frost Lich Jaina Is Corrupting Arena
Where is my "hey"???
arena atm is ridiculus i had 3 insane decks last night and 3 times 5 wins everytime people pull some miracle shit out of their ass
Lol for the entire video he didn't even play Frost Lich Jaina. All he did was play the card to MAKE your hero frost lich jaina. But after that everyone surrendered.
First game. Replace death knight with any other top tier card like bonemare or bog creeper and the result would have been the same.
And the same in the 2nd game the warlock ran out of cards.
But the priest was dumb. Playing so many 1 health minions for turn 9.
also this thumbnail was used two months ago 👌